Namah (Persian Dance Company) http://friendfeed.com/e...http://namah.net - Banafsheh Sayyad is an internationally renowned Persian dancer and choreographer. Considered a pioneer in her field, she approaches dance as prayer. Her teaching is an innovative fusion of dance technique and rapturous response
- Mitchell Tsai
She holds an MFA in Dance from UCLA and is a certified acupuncturist. Sayyad has extensively toured her solo and ensemble work with her company NAMAH in Europe, North America and Australia.
- Mitchell Tsai
@Selma I studied Modern Persian Dance one semester with Banafsheh at UCLA circa 1996-2002. She's awesome! A real princess, with very regal impressive demanor. Her husband Peshman (?) plays awesome drums. His fingers are so fast!
- Mitchell Tsai
Her dancers use their long hair like another tail/arm/leg. It's amazing. She taught us "male" Persian dancing along with the "female" dance.
- Mitchell Tsai
Women aren't allowed to dance in modern Persia, right?
- Chrimmus Tad
Tad: Banafsheh told us a funny story. When she & her husband were approaching other musicians to ask them to play music with their dance, she was very worried. But when her husband's friends saw her dance, they said "We'd love to play. This is ART, not DANCE." Dance has a very low reputation in Persia (from what Banafsheh shared with us)...ala NYC 42nd St hookers.
- Mitchell Tsai
I love how the music, poetry and dance mix together to create this trance like feeling…
- Selma
Well not really, dance is quite popular among people here (although the dance in its general sense is considered a way of seduction and to go with pop music it is considered a bit cheap (what is cheap any way?) ) but I'm absolutely certain choreography and dance as art and performance is loved …the problem is that the hardliner religious view totally rejects it as useless and...
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- Selma
Selma: Do you think the opinion of dance has changed in Iran since Banafsheh left - maybe in 1990? In Taiwan and my parents generation (born 1937-40), going to nightclubs and dancing was considered very bad, like being in a gang and having fights. Even now, only the VERY progressive friends of my parents age do any social dancing (even just waltz) For my generation (born 1960-1975) and later, the kids in Taiwan all go dancing at night clubs.
- Mitchell Tsai
The change isn't dramatic … but these past few years there have been so many private unofficial dance classes …even in small gyms they have started classes where they teach dance (you see we have integrated it into physical exercise as a way to legitimize it !) most parents here are proud to let their children learn the traditional Persian dances. Something you could not see...
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- Selma
Different story by West African dancers - dance was accepted in the communities, but not viewed as a good career. See my pictures here http://spiritualbusinesscompan... The "master dancers" from Guinea, Mali, and Congo talked about how their parents didn't like their following a dance career (in the Ballet de Jolie, etc...), but now they make lots of money in the US. And the Guinea people now respect the "master dancers" because their country is so poor, and US money makes them rich.
- Mitchell Tsai
interesting coz I think the young generation are more into dance styles other than traditional Persian style!
- Shandiz
I think it's like that everywhere. Korea & Japan have SO many hip-hop teachers. Way more than America.
- Mitchell Tsai
"Given the uncertainty of ad spending, the tremendous dollars going into digital media, the increasingly competitive landscape and the jittery global financial markets, I have added a few criteria to my check-list: * Initially sells to the enterprise for branding, credibility, awareness and early revenues * Can get to revenues within 6 months, tops * Is sold on the basis of ROI, e.g., helps generate revenues or reduce headcount/costs * Integrates easily with existing platforms and/or programs * Either leverages existing open source programs or can itself become partially or fully open source * Has multiple revenue streams, e.g., software, maintenance, services, etc."
- Andrew Badera
from Bookmarklet
couple stretch items on his list but nice of him to share
- mike "glemak" dunn
I was wondering which ones seem a stretch? I was reading this and it describes a startup I am working with to a "T".
- David Muir
12.5-25x seems a stretch to me ... that's grand slam territory. not unachievable, but not by any means "common".
- Andrew Badera
I tend to agree. But I read through and was trying to glean when the exit for the VC would be; after how many years? According to my calculations, asset value growth of over 30% per year still means a 13 year wait on an initial investment of $1 million to walk away with $25 million.
- David Muir
VC is almost always in terms of a ~5 year exit strategy I thought ...
- Andrew Badera
VC is evil. Smart CEOs do everything they can to avoid this route.
- Geoff Livingston
Everyone would love to bootstrap Geoff, but it's not a matter of "smart" vs. "dumb" it's a matter of practicality and pragmatism.
- Andrew Badera
25x return selling into enterprise space which tends to see rapid fast followers and commoditization is one stretch david... not all vc's are evil geoff but certainly some are - expect it's probably same ratio as general life ;) a huge percentage of today's businesses have leveraged vc funding when in proof of concept phase so they (we) serve a purpose... andrew's pragmatic statement is right on...
- mike "glemak" dunn
here's a few more stretches now that i'm on a laptop & not my iphone - 1) revenue in 6 months along w/ selling into enterprise is a challenge since enterprise sales cycles are notoriously long for any company let alone an unproven startup 2) integrates easily in an enterprise space is an oxymoron - again, its a good post and not all things stated are stretches (plus it is his fund so his call)...
- mike "glemak" dunn
sorry one more, the positive: "intersection of web services, network performance and cloud computing. More and more enterprises will shift portions of their processing, services and storage to the cloud, as the imperatives of cost reduction, scalability and flexibility take hold." - i think this is right on and valid, i'm seeing the same sorts of companies approach me and can't fault their biz models...
- mike "glemak" dunn
Andrew/Gregory, I actually clarified this in another comment thread. What I mean is that it takes no more than $1-$2 million to know if you've got a $25-$50 million business. I take lots of risk. I just want to make sure the business doesn't require loads of capital to know whether or not it is likely to get the traction required to be successful. It may well make sense to raise an additional $2-$3 million in a Series A to help the company execute its growth plan, and I'm ok with that.
- Roger
Tender Is The Night / Fitzgerald, and The Secret History / Donna Tart
- Patrick Jordan
Anything by Neal Stephenson. Was just watching a special on PBS on Isaac newton and it was right out of his recent series.
- Victor Ryden
I'll give you three: Gravity's Rainbow by Thomas Pynchon; if on winter's night a traveler by Italo Calvino; A Confederacy of Dunces by John Kennedy Toole.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Ender's Game - Orson Scott Card and Game of Thrones - George RR Martin
- Alan Le
Walden by Henry David Thoreau and Good Omens by Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett
- Pete Delucchi
I see Tad and I share one favorite (even though RAW wrote my other fav book, just not the one you mention) and Akiva and I share another. In fact Akiva is the only other person I know who has read that Calvino classic. Has to be the one book that screwed with my mind worse than acid.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
@Alan - I just read 'A Feast for Crows' and 'Ender's Game' last week/end. cool.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Ooh - that sounds good Jack! Will have to look it up. :)
- Chrimmus Tad
Jack, I absolutely love Calvino and that book in particular.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I don't think I can name only two, it would just be unfair
- Justin Yost
True that, Justin. But you know if someone asked our favorite hundred books, alphabetically arranged by author, some of us would stay up for hours putting our list together. I think 2 is a reasonable limit for a quick-post medium like Friendfeed.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand and Armor by John Steakley
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
Stranger in a Strange Land .... Shockwave Rider
- Steven Hodson
Women & Post Office by Charles Bukowski
- Mark Krynsky
'Gravity's Rainbow' by T. Pynchon and... perhaps... wait, no... a lot of others. I'm especially partial to H. S. Thompson (both fiction and non-fiction) and P. K. Dick.
- Goran Zec
Our Lady of the Flowers and Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars Trilogy
- Rick Powell
A Prayer for Owen Meany and Hyperion by Dan Simmons
- Bill Bittner
Most recently: the Thursday Next series by Jasper Fforde (fiction) and Tools of Empire: Technology and European Imperialism in the Nineteenth Century by Daniel Headrick (nonfiction)
- Steve Lowe
from NoiseRiver
Snow Crash and Little Brother (this week)
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
theodore rex and andrew carnegie. Both epic biograhies about larger-than-life personalities.
- Morgan
I can probably name authors, not books. Gabriel Garcia Marquez; Italo Calvino. It would be sacrilege for me to judge between any of the splendid works of these two geniuses.
- Parth Awasthi
Player Piano by Kurt Vonnegut and Cloud Atlas by David Mitchell. Glad to see Stranger in a Strange Land, Bukowski, Stephenson, PKD and Fforde. @Akiva: Ignatius Reilly, unforgettable! And Pynchon is brilliant, I'd go with V myself.
- AJ Kohn
BTW - couldn't we do top 10 or top 100? So many to choose from. I mean, A Canticle for Leibowitz needs to be on a list.
- AJ Kohn
Ender's Game - Orson Scott Card and The Stag - Stephen King
- Christian Farley
Devil in a Blue Dress by Walter Mosley and White Teeth by Zadie Smith
- Jason Toney
Don Delillo's Underworld and The Drawing of the Three by Stephen King
- Kyle Hebert
blood meridian by cormac mccarthy and sound as thought by clark coolidge
- Tracy Ruggles
I am sure this doesn't count as "2", but I'll have to go with anything by Kim Stanley Robinson.
- Carlo Zottmann
"Encore Provence" by Peter Mayle and "Green Witchcraft" by Ann Moura.
- Nia
Bloodsuckng Fiends: A Love Story by Christopher Moore and The Stand by Stephen KIng
- Alan Simpson
Pride and Prejudice, Jane Austen, The Stranger, Camus
- pea
"Animal Farm" by George Orwell and "The Birth of Venus" by Sarah Dunant
- Justin Yost
Snow Crash Neal Stephenson Stranger in a Strange Land Robert Heinlein
- Robert Higgins
Fiction: The Unbearable Lightness of Being & The Old Man and the Sea
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Fiction: "The Years of Rice and Salt" by Kim Stanley Robinson, Non-Fiction: "The End of Faith" by Sam Harris.
- cdogzilla
I clearly need to get to bed because I saw this at the top of the page and thought, "Wait. It's Sunday already? Where did the week go?" ooph.
- ♥patricia♥
Conventional logic holds that people don't carry baseballs around with them. Conventionally, would you think a person with pockets full of baseballs as "normal"? Do you carry everything you own in case you have to logically prove to someone that you own it in the event that some conventional debate arises?
- Darian Rawson
Omg I found it. Derrick, one more! :)
- Mona Nomura
Are you familiar with "Russell's Teapot?" : "If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion...
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- Christopher A Carr
I've never known a christian to react like that when someone asks to prove Gods existence. If someone is sincerly asking the question we'll usually talk about why we believe. If someone is being hostile I'll walk away.
- ChiliMac
ChiliMac, on a serious note, it's really dependent on the parties conversing. I've openly had many discussions on religion. It's also helpful to comprehend the other party's(ies') views and backgrounds, to have amicable discussions. :)
- Mona Nomura
Mona: You are absolutely right, it does depend on the parties. I believe most people still know how to and are polite and respectful of one another. I was having this conversation with a friend from my church the other night. His roommate had criticized him for reading books by Dawkins. We disagreed with him. We should understand those who have different opinions then ours and be respectful to one another.
- ChiliMac
could also be titled "conventional logic vs evolutionist logic" or "conventional logic vs global warming logic". i see more unfounded dogma from these two groups than any other.
- Brooks Bayne
Yeah, Brooks... or "conventional logic vs. round Earth logic," or "conventional logic vs. heliocentric solar system logic." I'm sick of dogmatic round-Earth liberals! If the Earth is so round, why don't Australians fall into space? Eh? Answer that secular libs!
- Christopher A Carr
Definitely something Richard Dawkins would approve of! :) And @ChristopherCarr - the Celestial Teapot was the first thing I thought of when I saw this.
- jack
Behold! My amazing new application! It's no where near as exciting as Tad's Flickr Toy, but it does show the day's interesting photos. Don't bother refreshing this one over and over since the photos only change once a day.
- Chrimmus Tad
from Bookmarklet
Looks like it's mostly SFW too. So - what do you think?
- Chrimmus Tad
Updated with super awesome new feature! Now includes a link to click to see a whole new batch of interesting pics from a random date. Now it's SUPER addictive! W00t!
- Chrimmus Tad
a) Was he trying to break his longest touchdown dive record? b) Was it something that worked during training sessions? c) Is he excessively stupid? d) All of the above
- Nenad Nikolic
#4 for those interested, great post Zee, the animated gif gave a feeling on that first FF beta day that was inexplicable, modern times type of feeling, that things were changing for the service in interaction gathering. 8}
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Kol Tregaskes http://friendfeed.com/koltreg... has a nice eye, and some cool pictures at vi.sualize.us and his photo blog. I've just set up a vi.sualize.us account, and figuring out how to use it. Sometimes I'd rather click though to a large picture with a minimum of junk, but vi.sualize.us does seem link to original pictures & allow easy crediting of original photographers.
- Mitchell Tsai
from Bookmarklet
An image bookmarking site I built using the laconi.ca microblogging software (edit: no longer built on laconi.ca, see my my most recent comment below). You can also have your favorites auto-posted to your friendfeed stream (uses the friendfeed api). Would love some feedback!
- grag
Cool Gabe...checking it out now...thanks! Just added a few pics, thanks!!
- Susan Beebe
Just signed up - will have a play & let you know. Like the idea & simplicity of it...also, i'm not really using a simple service for this kind of thing - not even flickr, so it's a nice little niche especially with the FF integration. Needs a bit of styling...but that can come in a bit. It's a great way to catch peoples eye though & show you mean business - a spanking logo, simple design & attention to detail.
- Zee.
how do i find other users? subscribe to them, etc...
- Susan Beebe
some great pics on there though have to say
- Zee.
Susan: If you click on a user's name there will be a subscribe link under their avatar.
- grag
Looks cool, Gabe, I just signed up. I'll give it the full shake down soon.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Well, I'm back from that rabbit hole. Simple, useful - priceless.
- Russellreno
Gabe - got it! LOVE YOUR APP...this rocks!! nice work dude! :)
- Susan Beebe
I have a suggestion... is there a way that we can have things posted to FF in separate posts? Usually I post something to FF so it can have it's "own conversation". Having a bunch of random pictures I liked show up in one post doesn't give that a chance to happen... Just a thought. I like the service, just not quite thrilled with the FF integration the way it is.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Thanks for checking out imgfave everyone! Lindsay, definitely a good suggestion. I think it might make sense to have an option to pick between an hourly rollup of all faved images (like it does now) or having every image auto-posted separately. I'll think about this some more.
- grag
Zee: Thanks for the feedback! Yeah, my plan is to keep imgfave really simple and appeal to users who just want an easy way to bookmark images and share images (and push them out to other services such friendfeed twitter, etc..). A logo and some style improvements are definitely on the todo list. Got some other cool features I'm releasing soon :)
- grag
Gabe - Notice recommendation. Strand sends a notice when I have a mutual connect with a member. That saves researching on the site. FF does not do that.
- Russellreno
Hey Russell: not sure what you mean when you say send a notice when there is a mutual connect. Could you explain that some more?
- grag
...if only FFFFound was open sign-up. (If anyone has one invite please send to SelvRya11@JCPatriot.org )
- Ryan Selvy
Gabe, thanks for leaving your comment. I like what I see in your app. :) Will signup real soon!
- Jonathan Kong
Hoping to get some feedback on the new version of imgfave. I completely re-wrote the site, added ability to organize images into collections, embeddable widget, full keyboard navigation (arrow keys, space bar to fave), facebook connect integration. Mostly I'd love some feedback on first user impression. Is it confusing at all? User growth has been okay, but hoping this new version will jump start things.
- grag
Michael, what site would you want to import your favorites from? I've been thinking about a flickr import option, simply because people have been asking for a way to organize their faves on flickr for ages.
- grag
import flickr favs, ya ya ya! I have thousands...
- Jason Wehmhoener
Quite interesting, some valid points. But after all of this, one question nags at me, Marshall. Who is "Punkin' the Tabby Kitten"? Or are you saying that there's a specific tabby kitten you're fond of punking?
- Tinu Abayomi-Paul
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
I really like this post. My thoughts: does "god" have a gender? i don't think the semantic web will have one either...after...all. (shrug)
- Briana Franco
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
This is why librarianship - a traditionally gendered profession (female) - is so important to the creation and continued development of the Semantic Web. After all, it is librarians who continue to challenge the racist/sexist/xenophobic classifications that still exist in the Dewey Decimal System (and, to a lesser degree, the Library of Congress Classification System).
- cecily
Great post Marshall! Hearkens me back to even deeper feminist thinking about representation itself as a gendered practice...making meaning has largely been a "male" endeavor, and yet, meaning has never been completely contained nor controlled by the masculine. As the commenter above alludes to in his intentional (mis)reading of novels, making meaning can flow outside the machines that...
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- Nate Angell
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Excellent post Marshall. Thanks for shedding light on this because I never really thought about it in terms of the development of the Semantic Web. This is an important issue and the work of Corinna Bath matters to ensure these discussions take place as the Semantic Web develops. The example of the phone book is a great example of gender bias as is the examples provided by Cecily...
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- Miiko Mentz
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@mediachick's fantastic StumbleUpon summary of this post: mediaChick71 - "So is it a boy or a girl?" As the best brains in the tech industry take us from html markups to a semantic web, one woman is making the rounds to remind them that gender assumptions have no place in domain knowledge. Corinna Bath is an academic researcher from Austria who brings up some critical issues about...
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- Marshall Kirkpatrick
On a more serious side... www.Cosmopolitan.com was most probably built by men, on software coded by men. Possibly fat, bald, geek men. Could you tell? I think this is a very good post only because it is thought provoking and brings a fresh perspective on the table, but the question itself is quite pointless. C'mon. Genre is determined by genes and is relevant to sexuality. I don't see...
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- Aldo Bucchi
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Aldo you have a point, but many websites - especially large ones that are built by agencies - have teams of user experience experts who work alongside developers. It's the UX and Information Architects who build out site navigation, and most (not all) UX/IA folks test taxonomies before committing final versions to the website. If you test with your intended audience, the taxonomies map to their brains better than if you didn't test and used your own perspective.
- cecily
Interestingly enough, women are well represented in the Human Computer Interaction/IA/UX discipline. In fact, many computer science students call HCI "CS for Girls" because HCI programs don't usually include many of the "hard" CS courses (programming, application development) and focus more on psychology, cognitive behavior, and interaction design.
- cecily
What a load of blather. Male geeks aren't very good at thinking like non-male non-geeks - this is not news. But declaring dramatically in this way that "the Semantic Web may end up being gender biased" is making a storm in a teacup. The phone book "example" is clearly not relevant to today's situation. By the way, regarding the phrase "Some argue that..." sorry, but over on Wikipedia we call those weasel words.
- Earle Martin
Also, from the linked interview: "Alison Adam analyzed the well-known ontology CYC... She revealed that the knowing subject implicitly assumed by the system is a white, middle-class male professional." Oh really. Check out this excerpt of a review of where she said it: http://muse.jhu.edu/login...
- Earle Martin
In fact, Google Books has a preview of Adam's book. (http://books.google.co.uk/books...) Quote: "...the AI idea of search and goal seeking... harks back to Aristotelian notions of goals, and can also be seen in terms of the phallocentric urge to a unitary goal described by postmodernist thought." Give me a break!
- Earle Martin
I couldn't disagree more with the article :) but i'm months late. is it worth grumbling at this late date?
- Dan Brickley
This why you make sure your kid doesn’t runaway, you don’t even need a leash. One glove for two! No more cold fingers anymore. Slip quickly into mama´s glove to hold her hand. Nice warm and cuddly. Even during the cold season parents can get a better grip on their children.
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
from Bookmarklet
This is retarded, but it makes sense as well.
- Shevonne
I think kids will like it. Sometimes what looks retarded to us is dead simple and attractive for kids.
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
I'm followed by more people than anyone else here, according to http://www.ffholic.com/ but yet only one out of j39 people here are following me (26,009 follow me, TechCrunch reports that there's a million unique members on friendfeed). News organizations should understand these changes because they used to have great centralized distribution. Those days are now over. More to come shortly.
- Robert Scoble
I read your friend feed daily Robert to pick up on new information, see what you have to say about what's new in the world of technology and anything else that sparks my interest.
- Steve Eisenberg
Is it because the Kindle 2.0's coming out soon..;o)
- sofarsoShawn
It used to be that we watched three TV stations and read one or two newspapers. Those days are over. Now we follow our friends and get our news through http://search.twitter.com and Facebook. That has huge implications for news brands who no longer will be the place that we go to get news.
- Robert Scoble
Friendfeed is giving us a new kind of news distribution system. Thanks to "likes" we can tell our friends about things that are important. The news brands are NOT in charge of that distribution method and it drives them nuts and they don't understand it at all yet.
- Robert Scoble
The beauty of this is that it's interactive, and on friendfeed people actually want the discussion. There's something for everyone. More importantly though the network effect is still in play here.
- Richard A.
I talked with execs from LeFigaro, France's #1 newspaper on Thursday. They were interested, but from the look in their eyes I could tell they really don't understand how Facebook and friendfeed work to distribute news, not to mention http://search.twitter.com which was important during the aftermath of the plane crash.
- Robert Scoble
Richard: EXACTLY. This is two-way and news brands can't control it. They don't like this kind of news. They like the old way where they reported and you watched or read.
- Robert Scoble
One implication I see is that the traditional method for a news organization to build a brand are no longer relevant. What suggestions do you have for a news organization that does want to build a brand?
- Daniel Bachhuber
Over the last year or so I've found out about more breaking news from twitter/Friendfeed than from CNN etc. All the news sources don't cater to individuals while things like here are personalized.
- BCK
Daniel: make lots of friends on Facebook and friendfeed and Twitter. Understand how news gets spread and found and produced on these networks. Get EVERYONE that works for you a Kodak Zi6 camcorder or FlipCam and make them post videos. Get on Seesmic and Twhirl and TweetDeck. Understand why entrepreneurs around the world now have a TweetDeck screen on their desks.
- Robert Scoble
Daniel: I now have a real-time-web desk in my home with four computers so I can track what is going on in real time from around the world. Every news organziation should do this. Also, I now am following 7,000 here, 21,000 on Twitter, 5,000 on Facebook, 900 on Google Reader. That inbound lets me see what the world's conversation is and lets me see news before most people do. If I were an assigning editor at a newspaper, this is what I'd be doing. Then I'd be sending reporters out to get the real story.
- Robert Scoble
FriendFeed is a data flow that anyone can manipulate to get the right information for them. It's 1-to-1 news. It is annotated and made more valuable via comments, providing a real-time interaction with your own personal news. [edit] Welcome to the world Gibson imagined.
- AJ Kohn
Robert, even though brands can't control it, whats great is the Freindfeed encourages them to converse. By allowing to cross post a FF comment on Disqus for instance, brands and their customers can engage in the discussion both here and on their properties.
- Sameer
Sameer: been using diqus and I like how easy it makes commenting on all blogs that use it, and how simple keeping track of those comments is.
- Richard A.
I think it means 97.4% of people on FriendFeed do NOT use FF to keep up with the latest social media or web tech news. I'd say most people don't use FF as a source for news at all, but rather, to keep up what their friends are doing across the internets.
- Daniel Sims
Daniel: I would also open up hundreds of rooms here on friendfeed where they can track news stories and companies and people who are interesting to them and shove in all sorts of RSS feeds. Like what I'm doing with my Davos room. http://friendfeed.com/rooms...
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I don't disagree with you, but I think that it begs a larger discussion about the role of a *large* news brand. The news industry, imho, should focus on empowering communities to report their news, because the day and age of reporters as information *collectors* is gone.
- Daniel Bachhuber
Daniel: that is true, but that is also news and news spreads through these networks very quickly because we trust our friends and family to tell us when important stuff is happening in the world.
- Robert Scoble
Sameer said what I'd say. Now if I could just nudge a few of mine to converse here. The flow is great on friendfeed + the ease of seeing what people say on their other services they've linked here.
- mrsha
But the problem is that the technorati sometimes forgets about regular people and get so busy with recycling the same info and blowing flowers up each others backsides that you don't get any traction unless your content is tech related. How would a brand of soap, a car maker, or a blog about b grade movies use this kind of network?
- MarkCarras
Yeah, but you're probably a friend-of-a-friend to all of'em.
- Mistletoe Glen
Being able to discuss news, is where the power of FF lies in comparison to 'old-style' news. It's also a main differentiator of FF over Twitter. FF let's you get into discussions and get to know people. Twitter is 'just' the start/intro of that conversation. Each having their own merits.
- Ronald
Ronald, you also don't wait for a moderator to say they like the comment. As soon as it's said you get feedback.
- Richard A.
Robert, just because there are lots of people here doesn't make this a particularly interesting place for brands. Most of the stuff happening here is volatile. Btw I noticed that I'm nr 556 on that list. Pretty high imo since I tend to not be so serious about FF ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
FF, twitter, FB, etc all provide word of mouth recommendations, which most of us trust much more than something being "sold" to us
- Ryan
Alexander: newsbrands will LOVE friendfeed rooms. Just wait and see.
- Robert Scoble
I hope to bring FriendFeed to my friends and Norwegian people. I'm trying as good as I can to talk positive about both FriendFeed and Twitter, but Norwegians are not that easy to convince... I see the potential.
- Qbat
Alexander: Brands don't have a choice really. If critical discussions start happening on this platform and the Goog starts indexing it, it better become "particularly interesting" over night. Volatile or dormant becomes less of an issue.
- Sameer
"from the look in their eyes I could tell they really don't understand" Likely those execs were born too soon to get it. Eventually they will retire and they will be replaced with those that understand. Not sure how long that will take.
- Phil Margolies
to me this means that the quantity and quality of a network becomes ever so important. who are the connectors, who are the amplifiers, who are the ones who stop information, the negative connectors or de-amplifiers, how many amplifiers are needed depending on the vertical or the brand or the product or the strategy and goals. and how do these amplifiers will use their new powers within a given network? fascinating.
- Pascal Bouvier
Yes, this means that the decentralized networks are important; but I'd guess that at least 1 in 3 FF users gets their news from mainstream news sites like CNN.com, Bloomberg.com, cnbc, etc; many FF and Twitter users use microblogging platforms to get less formal news - the info not available through the traditional platforms.
- Barry Graubart
Maybe a future video-blog post: I think it would be neat to see your real-time-web-desk with four computers.
- Bill Romanos
@robert scoble if you film that do it in the highest res possible :-)
- Richard A.
if one out of every 39 on here follows you, and everyone on twitter is worth $42, how much does that make us worth on here? hmm?
- rob friedman
does the fact that Twitter doesn't allow its tweets to be indexed by search engines (a good move IMHO...can you imagine the clutter otherwise?) decay the total value of the service?
- Jason Salas
from IM
Jason, what do you mean? If you think tweets aren't indexed, try a Google search for "wajiii plightbo".
- Bill Jackson
from twhirl
Robert - At present, agreed that your comments could in fact make a difference ... maybe even be a responsibility. On the other hand, that 'power' could quickly be diluted by someone (or numerous people) working hard to generate a similar following on Friendfeed. In the meantime. Use it wisely and YOU can make a difference. Everyone else needs to realize that the landscape has changed .... and they can too...in many ways
- Charlie Anzman
Robert - I do not think any larger news brand that is currently out there could implement the type of news aggregation and reporter assignment system that you spoke about to the other Daniele earlier. I think that any incredibly innovative idea like that has to come from a new, fresh organization. Journalism of the future will soon be coming. But not from a CNN, MSNBC, FOX, or other.
- Daniel Zarick
p.s. I have seen a picture of your real-time desk, but I would like to see a video of it all in action too.
- Daniel Zarick
@daniel believe me you don't wanna see it. You must be a currency broker to get used to the speed of his real-time feed. I've seen it on CES and it was just crazy. Btw. as someone who just explored twitter and friendfeed and all this stuff, a couple of weeks ago, my personal conclusion is: Hell, i missed something out.
- Sascha Pallenberg
@Robert Scoble: FFholic (aka FriendFeedHolic) tracks 185207 public and 23445 private users on FriendFeed, now. And surely, this is nearly the total number of users on FriendFeed.
- Arda Kutsal
"Photographer Lawrence Schiller’s images of the icons of Sixties America conjure a time and a place of incomparable cool. As a new exhibition in London showcases his work, he tells the stories behind his most celebrated pictures and looks forward to a new era of optimism for Brand America"
- RAPatton
"Marilyn Monroe, California, 1962 “When this was taken, Liz Taylor was being paid $1 million for Cleopatra and was on the cover of every magazine. Marilyn was only being paid $125,000, for Something’s Got to Give, and it was driving her crazy. She had just lost a baby and was very depressed. She conceived turning this moment in the film into a publicity stunt. She said, ‘What would...
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"Robert Kennedy’s last campaign, 1968 “This was on a plane to LA, where he was tragically assassinated. Bobby knew California was important, so he was trying to get some sleep, along with his dog, Freckles. The Kennedys could sleep on the floor, come down to anybody’s level. I knew him through his relationship with Marilyn Monroe. I’d been at her house when he was there, he’d drive up...
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- RAPatton
"Tippi Hedren and Alfred Hitchcock (in mirror), California, 1962 “The concept here is that Alfred Hitchcock never leaves his stars alone, he’s in total control. He loved the idea of this, because it’s not just another stupid picture of him, Tippi Hedren and the birds. It’s taken on a California freeway. I attached a suction cup to the car, like they use to carry sheets of glass, made a bracket for my camera, and sat in the passenger seat with my remote control cord. This picture is one of my favourites.”"
- RAPatton
"American Legends runs until February 13 at Asprey, New Bond Street, London W1 (020-7493 6767; http://www.asprey.com)"
- RAPatton
I was not expecting that Marilyn photo, but I am not complaining -- wow; I liked most of the 8
- RAPatton
They should put the second stack from the left on third...
- Jemm
This is funny, but they get breaks, too. You WANT them to have their breaks. A cop without a break breaks, and then he/she breaks people.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
"A Minimovie is an episodic documentary consisting of 8 to 10 episodes. Episodes are 7 to 10 minutes each. Put together, they form a self-contained story. With MiniMovies SubmarineChannel explores a new narrative and visual style of documentary filmmaking. You can watch the Minimovies here or simply download them to your digital device of choice."
- Seth Greenblatt
from Bookmarklet