Thoughts and comments on oSync http://www.osync.org - oSync is a RSS/Atom like content syndication specification in JSON and takes into location, tags, commonly used namespaced elements (iTunes, Yahoo) and especially SUP baked right in! Not to mention JSON from end-to-end.
Its not compatible at all with atom-json. The approach with atom-json was to take all of Atom and make it onto a json object which is fine if that is what you want. To me atom-json feels like XML being represented in JSON. I took a more the same approach as Dave Winer did when he created RSS and tried to make it really simple to syndicate content but in a very JSON way.
- Ray Slakinski
Updated some of the elements here based on some comments I got back
- Ray Slakinski
Application Enhancer, Connect360, Default Folder X, Deja Vu, DivX, FinderPop, Flip4Mac, GeekTool, Growl, MacFUSE, MediaLink, MySQL, NTFS-3G, Pen Tablet, Perian, SteerMouse, Version Cue CS3, WindowShade X, Witch. I should weed out some of these things that I no longer use.
- ronin
If the blog is too hard for Lessig to support with two volunteers, isn't that an indictment of Movable Type's usability versus off the shelf Wordpress? Doesn't MT have an Akismet implementation?
- Dave Slusher
Currently my blog domain now points to FF because if you want to be part of the social web then you need to start to mingle :)
- Ray Slakinski
Agreed, Dave...I didn't want to start a WP vs. MT flamewar over there, but seriously! Though it sounds like that's just an "oh yeah, AND this" sort of issue. I'm thinking the new job and 3 little ones in succession is the primary impetus.
- Ken Kennedy
If the other stuff is the real reason, why bring up maintenance at all? If it is a non-zero contribution, that's a big problem. I probably have 4700 spam comments in the spam bin that took 0.00 minutes of my time to put there.
- Dave Slusher
from IM
misedit of previous comment. I know I have 4700, i looked but forgot to remove the word probably. My original estimate had been 3000.
- Dave Slusher
from IM
paul: spammers don't bother me. They add about as much value as people who tell me they had a jelly sandwich for lunch.
- Robert Scoble
Jeff Pulver Followers every p0rn site and spammer who Follows him, check his Following list
- paul mooney
paul: here's a little trick: I do most of my following in friendfeed. Why? Better friend management.
- Robert Scoble
I also have issues bc what I have to follow for work is very different from what I want to follow, but that is another issue.
- Michelle
Twitter has gone the way of email, that's why Twitter Search doesn't work - the system is overwellemed!
- paul mooney
Bill: actually you only need to follow a few people to get a pretty good look at the good stuff. Why? If something is good everyone talks about it.
- Robert Scoble
Michelle - same issue here! work vs. professional following and juggling multiple accts
- Kirsten Hamstra
paul: it still works for me. I just skip over the spam. My mind likes seeing spam and noise. It helps me see the news.
- Robert Scoble
For the rest of us - just friend Scoble -- you might hear about stuff delayed 5 minutes or so.
- Brian Sullivan
Where do I get one of these neat sockets in the back of my head, I get dizzy just trying to follow 2K people.
- dabitch
All the Twitter marketers are auto-Following the spammers, it's a perfect storm
- paul mooney
paul: in email I don't care about the spam either. I can always scan a page of spam and find my boss' emails for some reason.
- Robert Scoble
reminds me of roy - I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the darkness at Tan Hauser Gate.
- mike "glemak" dunn
That's why people who don't follow others on Twitter are kinda of missing the point, aren't they? I love seeing when people are being followed by 30,000 people but following 2.
- Curt Mercadante
BTW Robert, props on following the Iran elections. Hopefully this will open our eyes to what has been happening in Egypt, Russia, Pakistan and a host of other countries for decades. If Benezir Bhutto were alive and had been elected like she would have been, we'd live in a different world.
- Michelle
Robert: so in a way, if you follows all that people, we actually needs to follow only one person, which is you. here's why: it is most likely that you'll post about the major stuff that you read about in your friends stream - which make you a better filter than any other service around :) (I'm following lots of people too because I simply like to find and read about new and exciting things)
- Orli Yakuel
I totally agree with you Robert. It's like holding your hand into a jet of water and drinking from time to time.
- nik
you need to have the spirit of sharing good stuffs to others, or the good only reaches you but does not spread out.
- K.D.
I cannot get people to join FriendFeed. I even did a video showing them how great it is. I cannot seem to follow that many more on Twitter than 200 and keep up with them. I tried Tweetdeck, but it just used too much RAM for me.
- Hummie
The REAL trick here is that you have a natural gift for scanning with your eyes. I would follow many more people if I could scan (and absorb) information as quickly as you do. Since I don't, I follow you. You are among my first line of defense.
- Bettina Tizzy
All these fortune cookie Tweets are the work of spammers, sooner or later comes the link to the get-rich-quick site
- paul mooney
Sounds a little like Joey Osmond - Robert I see patterns Scoble? Definitely agree though - there is useful information that can be pulled from the right people's twitter/friendfeed that gives trends developing real time, as long as sea changes over longer periods
- Tom Tubbs
holy shit robert... i just had my mind blown watching your live friendfeed. this whole time i've been trying to control the chaos... keep people organized into neat piles. wow... wowow
- Eric Nakagawa
@Hummie: I had the same problem with TweetDeck. Try SeesmicDesktop, it has similar functionality but less RAM-greedy
- Ashalynd
Robert do you have a link to the video you did showing 'how' you manage all this information flow? I would enjoy watching it again.
- Matt Perry
here's another interesting search which will show all scoble's friends' items that have at least 1 like: http://friendfeed.com/search... only wish this were realtime
- Mike Chelen
Robert - cool post, excellent comments - same exact reason I embraced FF in early days and stayed here!! Love it
- Susan Beebe
Robert since I have been following you I have done a complete 180 on how I felt about social networking before. I mean the media is fast but social networking works at the speed of thought. Now if I could only figure out how to interact behind the Army & Airforce firewall... I felt lost today at work... LOL
- Nathan McClain
Orli the problem with only following me is that I need to sleep once in a while and I also might not follow people you care about. For instance, if you are into celebrities and not technology I totally wouldn't be good for you to follow.
- Robert Scoble
we know what I care about and I'm glad that I'm following you! but I got the point, and I agree of course. I was just kidding I guess..
- Orli Yakuel
Great video. Watching it again now...
- Matt Perry
Yeah some wild connections are made by watching a lot more than a few friends. Wonder why most people don't "get" that? Researchers should follow a ton of people and sources.
- Jack Humphrey
Jack: actually, people should do BOTH follow a ton of people and sources as well as follow just a very select group of people. I wish I could share my groups (er, lists of friends) with you all. THEY are going to be the secret to filtering in the future.
- Robert Scoble
I'm lazy. I use your feed as my pre-filtered source of good/interesting general information. Thanks for doing a lot of the hard work for us (or at least me).
- John Meagher
Robert I think you are 100% correct, but it touches on what people should have already been doing, and that's getting as much information as they can from as many sources as they can and putting the facts together for themselves. I think traditional media's days of fact-less reporting are thankfully numbered. This is truly Fair and Balanced!!!
- Nathan McClain
Robert: People still won't get it. Seeing patterns is a talent or a skill. You can aid it, however, by showing or demonstrating how you filter for patterns. How do you scan messages and discern a pattern? How do you focus on a few without missing the patterns of the many? Might make a good presentation/blog. You probably already did it, right?
- Alan Eggleston
I don't think it requires following 125,000 people to be aware of the same trends.
- stretta
stretta: it does not, but I get to see small things that many people don't.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - and I appreciate those "small things" :) --- they look like startups! and new bright shiny tech toys!
- Susan Beebe
imagine an AI system that can analyze all that data for you and generate illuminating reports...
- Matt Jaunich
Matt: I can and lots of geeks are working on building just that.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks for the post. I immediately added the "like" search to my saved searches.
- Sean Powell
I follow 60,000 and I see a white light at the end of a tunnel. It's getting closer...
- Rick
You must do this by o s m o s i s....no other way? Intuition and speeed reading.
- Ziona Etzion
Yeah. Robert, I don't read your stuff and I don't know if you're going to read this. But regardless, I know you're well famed and this is the first thing I skimmed across of yours that would indicate that it's deserved. I follow options in the same way., eg almost literally. I have TD StrategyDesk open right now, ThinkOrSwim, Power E*Trade Pro, OptionsXPress, and the regular TD Ameritrade website open as well. Doing this allows me to view and be ware of data and turning points in many views and levels
- Matt Kaufman
Robert: If you could follow all 100,000+ people from Twitter in real time within friendfeed would you?
- Garin Kilpatrick
Twitter is a helpful automatized hammer for the main engine, which is friendfeed ;
- ewing2001akaNicomedy2010
I don't see why you couldn't just save a search on everybody's posts with likes on FF though and still follow only those you actually read daily + any protected accts? Even build smarter searches than that. You increase the number of people following you by lots more your way of course.
- Thomas Bøhm
from BuddyFeed
Sorry. The trend watching and analytical part would be the same, wouldn´t it, except that I now see that the saved searches don´t update in realtime. Yet.
- Thomas Bøhm
from BuddyFeed
That's why realtime filters would be awesome. All the relevant stuff, without refreshing.
- bnoise
from IM
1. What sets apart the 100,000 people you "follow" to glance at once in a while from the everyone feed?
- Patrick Mackaaij
2. (a Friendfeed question): Do you still read this since I posted this comment a few hours after the initial conversation.
- Patrick Mackaaij
How did you find so many people to follow? How does an average user find so many to follow?
- Bas
Patrick: I was on stage and couldn't be on friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Patrick: the people I follow are usually much more tech interested and demonstrate early adopted behavior than the larger public audience.
- Robert Scoble
Never mind all this. How's Opera? Got a link this morning and thought I might try it (what a surprise, me trying something).
- Francine Hardaway
Robert: Is this a Mandelbrot pattern? The chaos has a look, a feel and a taste, as in the jet of water analogy. You're the freakin' hydrologist with the dousing rod.
- Phil Boiarski
Robert: I was not expecting a real time response but was wondering how you keep track of all conversations you engaged with on FF. How can you see where comments are added?
- Patrick Mackaaij
I'm with Robert, just not with such a big of a scale. My point: I am noise and you are noise. Let's not forget there's a baby in that bathwater before one takes a blanket anti social network view of social networking!
- Mike Lewis
OMG Robert I agree 100% BEFORE Twitter screwed with the @replies censoring us from seeing all that people tweeted... I could scroll through my home page and get the pulse of the world on Twitter! A beautiful site! Comparatively now: Twitter is silent.
- Arleen Anderson
All major television networks/news outlets should hire Scoble and heed this advice based on this weekends events in Iran. They need to learn how to listen, filter and understand how social media can deliver real-time information around the world.
- E-Advocate Network
What tools are you using to keep track of the all that flows past?
- Inbox2 Team
Yeah, Robert is an Androïd! Each time I'm gotta 'like' 1 of his entries, comment, or visit links, I ask myself if I'm doing this because he is Scoble! Of course not: it's just because he's always pointing on valuable infos. And this is good for IT stuffs, for early adopters, for business.
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
So, Scoble proves that the best search & filter engine is Human. (Nah.. I'm not a 'groupie', never will ;-))
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Curt, pple who don't follow others and hope to be followed & heard are obviously wrong. Social Media is not "Ego Media" ;)
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Patrick, IMO Robert uses FriendFeed's search to find infos, & FF's email features to keep track of conversations & updates
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
or maybe you also miss some important ones because of the noise: like the patterns known by 99% of the users that have less than 1000 followers? does that make sense?
- Ouriel Ohayon
isn't that a little too much? do you even have time for anything else? Is it worth knowing about an earthquake some 30-40 minutes earlier than most people than spending some time with your real life friends?
- stefan
Stefan, the point is: if you want to spend as much time as possible with your real life friends, you have to be as efficient as possible during the time you spend in front of the computer. The more information you drink in a short time, the faster you can identify patterns.
- Brome
Best answer I've heard for why I'm also ok with following and listening to a ton of people on various platforms: "noise is like the lawn. It lets you see the flowers. - Robert Scoble"
- Leslie Poston
Wow, that's a clever use of the platforms!
- gareth【ツ】
We need information so we can decide while staying in touch with reality. -> Filtering skills, Good Human filter, Good filter tool (FriendFeed).
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
from email
Thierry: thanks I was looking for that indeed! Have changed my settings to see how e-mail works out there but I thought maybe there would be an easier way...
- Patrick Mackaaij
hey it was great to finally personally meeting you and hung out at the diner ; my weblog about the evening now at http://ff.im/45HR3 plus infos about WE LIVE IN PUBLIC premiering now in L.A. and my new video "PERU" @ http://www.youtube.com/watch... ; all the best for the conference today and building43 ;
- ewing2001akaNicomedy2010
Another FF question: I was under the assumption FF would merge duplicate imports so that conversations like these would remain in one place. If I do a search on a tending topic of today this does not seem to be the case: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Patrick Mackaaij
Patrick, the imports may be duplicate URLs or pictures or whatever, but the conversation around them could be different. I see this as a good thing, and it show me two things. (1) it is an intersection of the different groups and types of people that I subscribe to. (2) it can be different nationalities in different timezones. Ie, of a more global interest. Bothe are good pieces of data for me.
- Andy Bold
from email
@Brom, yes. but there is only so much information one can absorb at a time. 100.000 twitters and 25 FFs? Even half of it is too much for a normal person to take in that fast. Robert MUST be a robot O_O
- stefan
@Andy: I'd rather not see any duplicate URL's and have the conversation take place in one thread. Google Translate can solve the language problem. But my question at the moment was what the current status is. I see it's already discussed here: http://friendfeed.com/susanbe...
- Patrick Mackaaij
Patrick, I see what you mean now. Nice link - thanks!
- Andy Bold
from email
how do I follow thousands of people without clicking follow over and over
- Kyle Weller
Kyle: its still required to click subscribe for each user, but those clicks are well spent, and FF also will show posts from friends-of-friends. another good option is to join some groups for subjects that interest you
- Mike Chelen
@jcunwired: I played with a Pre. It's nice. iPhone will kick it's ass. Frankly, so will the new BB's which is what Palm seems to be targeting.
- Adam C.
When did you place your 3G S order? I put mine in to Apple on June 10th, and it's not showing as shipped yet; trying to judge how fast they're processing...
- Paul Skudlarek
Mine was scheduled to arrive on Wednesday. Checked again this morning and it changed to Thursday.. Let's see if it changes again to Friday.
- Rick Huizinga
iPhone will undoubtedly kick its ass, at some point in the future. The delta is too small between Pre and 3G S to warrant an ass-whooping.
- jcunwired
Lucky you, we can't preorder in Canada :(
- Ray Slakinski
Uh, not sure displaying your tracking number is a good idea. That's about all it takes when requesting a package redirection - and that's pretty tempting!
- Anil Rhemtulla
Mine says it will arrive on the 17th, which is tomorrow. I don't know how, since it hasn't left china yet
- Nate T
I'm scheduled for delivery on the 18th... order placed June 8th. God... sounds like a baby... Cheers
- Ross W. Prout
Ordered mine on the 8th and no shipping notice yet. :-\ As for iPhone vs Pre, it'll take awhile to fully see how the apps change the Pre since that's the iPhone's key right now for me.
- Ken Chan
When can we stop calling these phones?
- David J Lowe
I'm taking a chance and heading to the Birmingham Apple Store Friday morning to get mine. Hope they have enough.
- Dom Barnes
Gonna pick up my pre-ordered one at the "T-Punkt" T-Mobile store here in Germany on Friday. Picked the same You did, unless You chose the white one, that is. Personally I especially can't wait for the tomtom car navigation set with exta speaker and GPS enhancer to finally come out - it's gonna be so awesome!
- weckman
I got that message too! Woo hooo!! sooo excited, where's that UPS brown truck baby?!! party at the front door!!
- Susan Beebe
P.S.: Don't You love world-wide rollouts? So much more fun when we all get it the same day!
- weckman
Ordered mine same time on the 9th, but no ship yet. Is this another famous Leo Laporte "free and early access to garner a good review"? Screw you Leo! :)
- Richard Goodwin
Very interested on your reports about the speed increase and if it makes a difference. I may get one in December when my contract is up for this old Moto Q.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
That's awesome Leo. My 3G will have to suffice though. Still looking forward to 3.0
- Joel Crawley
Anyone know how leo dealt w/ the AT&T contract/costs??? Just curious. I know he can afford to spend the extra for the phone, so that's not the question.
- mark dekruyter
See if it still has that date Leo. Mine disappeared.
- Wo
My delivery date has just disappeared! It's beginning to look like UPS may hold the delivery until Friday.
- Rick Huizinga
Wow, no 3G S for me only OS 3.0 update..waiting for the download
- Gerard Marbeck
I'm really not understanding the i-phone thing. Frankly, I think the phone sucks. I hate the keyboard touch, I can't imagine a woman in this country with a decent manicure wanting to deal with that crappy screen! I have service at home with Verizon in the countryside where we live, my husband's crappy I-Phone drops out about ten miles from the house and not only that, the piece of crap is constantly dropping phone calls. Is the bay area better?
- Jennifer Ragde
I love toys as well, I'm just not getting the I-phone thing, I have a DS, PSP, I'm a seriously geek game girl, just not getting that horrible phone. I can't be the only girl that thinks that touch screen is completely awful! The touch screen is so sensitive, if you have fingernails, good luck!
- Jennifer Ragde
Here's how little I've been using FriendFeed and all social media lately. If you go to my page, it has over a week's worth of entries. That's all my Greader shares, all my blog posts, all activity in pretty much any sphere. Just been doing other stuff, much of it real world. A little of it related to the world series of poker.
You know, over at Railbirds.com I do have a poker blog. It would make some sense to just use it as a log of what I've played and my results. I'll have to see if I can get an RSS feed from it.
- Dave Slusher
I finally get my ass over to FF and your not even here. Figures :p
- Ray Slakinski
I'm here, I'm just less active than I have been. I didn't realize you weren't here, since I've been following your twitter via FF for at least a year.
- Dave Slusher
"1) Yes this would be great, and the API that MW has doesn't support posting at least as far as I can tell. For fetching you can do pagename?action=raw and get back the wiki text that was used for the page, so we are half-way there. 2) Ive used the token as part of the cookie I set on the clients machine, basically if you pass the username and token in your session data then MW will think the user is authenticated and logged in. Hope that shews "some" light on whats going on."
- Ray Slakinski
Fusil is a Python library used to write fuzzing programs. It helps to start process with a prepared environment (limit memory, environment variables, redirect stdout, etc.), start network client or server, and create mangled files. Fusil has many probes to detect program crash: watch process exit code, watch process stdout and syslog for text patterns (eg. "segmentation fault"), watch session duration, watch cpu usage (process and system load), etc.
- Ray Slakinski
Fusil is a Python library used to write fuzzing programs. It helps to start process with a prepared environment (limit memory, environment variables, redirect stdout, etc.), start network client or server, and create mangled files. Fusil has many probes to detect program crash: watch process exit code, watch process stdout and syslog for text patterns (eg. "segmentation fault"), watch session duration, watch cpu usage (process and system load), etc.
- Ray Slakinski
Watched Act 1 of the Dr. Horrible thing. Found it mildly amusing, but mostly tedious Whedon ironicity turned to 11. I'm thinking my enjoyment of Firefly is the exception, not the rule.
second part is much better than the first, though I liked the first part
- Ray Slakinski
from twhirl
Agreed. Act II is better. It's pretty funny, though. Plus, I like Felicia Day in "The Guild", so I'm fond of all 3 major actors.
- Ken Kennedy
love the guild too - have to be into gamer culture though - showed it to a "normal" person and they didn't get it at all - that alone was funny ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Yeah, the Guild is VERY in-jokish. But they definitely do a good job in the niche...and I bet showing that to a non-gamer was definitely funny! The "boss fight" with Zaboo's mom would be completely incomprehensible if you haven't done one in game, I would think.
- Ken Kennedy
I think my key take-away is the things most people find Whedon virtues are the things I most dislike about him. Oh so cutesy!
- Dave Slusher
Oh, Dave, you're just grumpy. *grin, duck, and run for cover...*
- Ken Kennedy
Easy now, Ken. Dave has really been mellow this week. Erm... well I mean my altered focus on his non-negative postings has made him appear more mellow to me. >:oD
- Paul Reynolds
*snort* If he'd just get more sleep!!! LOL
- Ken Kennedy
Watching Act 1 now, finding it as enjoyable as the Buffy Musical. Feels like Whedon is saying 'super hero/villians' are normal people with serious issues.
- Garrick Van Buren
Garrick, does that mean you like them both or don't like them both? I'm one of those few SF people that hated Buffy. Have I been mellow? Maybe just too exhausted to be grumpy.
- Dave Slusher
from twhirl
Yes, I enjoy Buffy, but that may be because the wife's a big fan. Of Whedon's stuff, I think the Buffy Musical, Hush, and Firefly are the most interesting over the long term.
- Garrick Van Buren
Capping the amount you can fill up at the gas station is obnoxious. Why limit me to $50, $75, $100 etc. I already have to enter in my zip code plus all I have to do is use the same card all over again after I max out once. This offers credit card companies zero protection and is a pain in the ass
Why make me do two transactions, one for $75 and a second one for $37.51 instead of just letting me do a single transaction for $112.51? Annoying on the part of gas stations and credit card companies.
- Thomas Hawk
Weird that just happened to my at a Quick Trip here in StL. The charge was just under $100 but they ran it as two separate charges which makes absolutely no sense.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
what's the point of the measure if you can just put the gas handle back in, wait for the transaction to end and then just start a brand new one all over again to finish the fill up. Seems like something put in place simply to annoy consumers. Any logical reason behind this whatsoever?
- Thomas Hawk
I agree. I got hit with the $75 cap on our trip to Los Angeles. Seems pretty lame.
- Robert Scoble
That happened to me for the first time the other day! $50 and that's it. Grrrrrr...
- Corie
At my local place, I can circumvent this by paying at the window for a pre-set amount. It sucks when you go with an obscenely high number then have it not be enough.
- Eric Berto
Question for someone smarter than me. Do the CC companies end up making more this way? If they charge the station a set fee per transaction + a %age of the charge, then I'd say they do because there are two potential transactions with the cap. Simply an observation based on a guess...
- Kevin C. Tofel
$112.51? soooooo happy i own a scion right now. but it does seem ridiculous to put caps on the amount you can spend. : (
- carlotta fancypants
Prius == only paying more than $40 to go 350+ miles once when gas was over like $4.50 or something.
- Internet's Tad
I agree -- though what the heck are you folks driving that you need $112 in gas??? ;) I feel guilty enough driving an American V8. But it only wants ~$60 at a time at current prices.
- Kevin Hessel
I haven't heard of this. Who is doing this?
- Anthony Citrano
@Thomas Hawk: I beleive it was put in place to limit fraud. What I heard is that when cards are stolen, typically they're first used for gas. But not just one tank of gas...they'll have their friends line up at a pump and load up on one trans. Cap the transaction and you make the bad guy have to either do multiple trans at one station or hit different stations in a short period of time...I agree, they need to raise the limit on the cards...try filling up a 33 gallon tank with a $75 limit! :-(
- Live4Emma (L4S)
I've not heard of the capping here in Louisiana. But I have seen gas stations completely stop taking credit cards as they have to pay a percentage fee to the credit card processing company. Maybe the cap is due to a contract price between the gas station and the processor and if they allow the customer to go over the cap amount, the station has to pay a different processing rate to the processor.
- Herschel
I stopped @ $80 and it didn't fill the tank. 8 hours later the same station dropped it 10 cents. $#%&*@!!!!
- Larry Kless
from twhirl
Happened to me recently too, $50 limit was only half a tank, sigh. 9 years ago when I first came to the US, gas was $1.15 not $4.05.
- Sally Church
Yep, unfortunately with four kids and two dogs we need a big car. Not cheap for sure. I think Kevin's right, maybe the CC companies profit off of our inconvenience. It wouldn't surprise me. I just wish I could figure out the logic behind it. Seems like a super dumb thing.
- Thomas Hawk
The limit USED to be $35, those of us who used to have Pickup Trucks would run into this back in the late 1990's (dual 18 gallon tanks). I believe as someone said above this is an anti-fraud measure.
- Adam Turetzky
that is really bad. someone needs to do something. a grass roots non partisan protest. thank god the Chevy Volt is a year away. but people need to get by for the next few years. we will remember this as a nightmare. but we will survive this too
- Noah David Simon
but how does this actually protect anyone from fraud if I can just do a second transaction. The limit is per transaction. It seems like it just adds to the annoyance for consumers already annoyed that they are having to pay more than $50 or $75 to fill up their tank in the first place.
- Thomas Hawk
CC transactions at the pump have always been capped (usually $50 or $75), we are just noticing them now because of the high price of fuel. It's due to the CC companies and the fact that a transaction for gas is an "Authorized sale without a final bill of sale" meaning that they auth it not knowing how much it will end up being (blank check). The CC co's put the limit to protect against...
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- cmiper
@Thomas - who is doing this? Your card issuer or just certain gas stations?
- Anthony Citrano
I haven't heard of this, something new or just a west coast thing?
- jcunwired
@Jody, we have encountered this in the Midwest, too.
- asiriusgeek
I think cmiper's right. The question is though why not raise the limit to $100 or $150 or $200 or something with higher gas prices. My own guess is that Kevin's right and that they make more money this way and would rather inconvenience a ton of people and profit off it than change their limits. Unfortunately because the CC companies collude on this there is really not much that can be done. Still annoying though.
- Thomas Hawk
Mastercard = $75, Visa and Discover = $50, if you chose "pay inside" at the pump and go in to pay with your credit card, you are not capped. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/busines... (I knew I read it somewhere recently ;-) )
- cmiper
My understanding is that it is capped because credit card companies limit their liability for fraud on a per-transaction basis. I don't think they make any more money this way; the merchant fees are a percentage of the transaction, and .02*100 == .02*(50+50)
- Jeremy Brooks
Amex is $75 too it seems. Going inside and dealing with a real live person is probably even worse than doing two transactions though ;)
- Thomas Hawk
So, no one knows who is doing this? I wrote an article in last month's Money Magazine about credit card / ID policies and this would make a good follow-up.
- Anthony Citrano
@cmiper thanks, at least someone's listening! ;) [is this thing on? *tap* *tap*] that AP article helped me understand the root of the policy, at least.
- Anthony Citrano
If you car takes more than 100$ in gas it might be time for a smaller car
- Ray Slakinski
from twhirl
typical case of punishing to normal user instead of the offender. Moreover, the offender (aka the guy who steal your card), will have more motivation to swipe your card twice or thrice before he throws it. So this doesn't in any way impact liability for the credit card companies
- Shivanand Velmurugan
from twhirl
No Doubt! Annoying as all get up and different for me at Shell than at Chevron. Man! I use premium, have an 18.1 gallon tank. $75 doesn't cut it in the least!
- Greer Trice
I couldn't agree more. I also hate that the pending charge always shows up as 1 dollar until the transaction clears. What a terrible and annoying way of doing business.
- Tim Harding
Cheese and crackers Thomas! $112.51. I'm having a fit over $75
- Yolanda