what do you like better about feedly then friendfeed or others? just curious. I'm trying to cut back, not add more tools, great s they might be. i'm exploding!
- washwords
Can I like this 3x. Thanks for a GREAT recommendation, Bwana. My new fave Firefox extension.
- Leo Laporte
Wow, even the screensaver function is cool...I might be leaning to feedly and away from greader...
- Anthony Farrior
Revisited based on a few 'endorsements' here on FF. Wow. Easy, fast, just cool.
- Charlie Anzman
I definitely need to spend more time with it, because on first impression, it's just too much information in one place.
- cecily
What are the implications of "no thanks"? Same as "Mark as read"?
- Andrew Smith
@cecily if you get a chance, go to the feedly dashboard (through dashboard link at the top right of the screen) and click on the star next to the sources you like the most and see if the what's new page looks any better. The other option is to click on the "cover" icon on the top left on the nav bar and see if that view is more diggestable. If you have specific ideas on how to make the interface more appealing let us know!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
@andrew no thanks = mark the article as read + let the feedly recommendation engine know that you did not like this recommendation. This metadata is then used with other criteria to unfluence future recommendations.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
@Bwana Where is Feedly video, I love Bwana TV more than Scobleizer TV : ))
- Erhan Erdogan
Edwin, one main suggestion - use plain language. Why call it "no thanks" when "mark item as read" is more intuitive (and doesn't require guessing)?
- cecily
Hmm... have speed dial already loaded upon feedly install and cannot find feedly anywhere
- Michael W. May
from twhirl
I installed and uninstalled all in 1 minute.
- Aaron Myers
Erhan, thanks :) I need to learn how to utilize it properly before I screencast it...it's coming soon though, I love this thing
- Bwana ☠
I tried it but wasn't that impressed with it.
- BCK
Looks promising, but I'm always suspicious of extensions that don't come from Mozilla addons site...
- João Almeida
What do you guys say to the folks who say Feedly crapped all over their Google Reader (adding feeds to it)?
- David Risley
It's in this thread David: http://friendfeed.com/e... We asked for a bigger warning since the one there is easily missed, the Feedly guys chime in as to why they did it that way. It doesn't "crap" all over your feed, it does create new folders, but they are easily removed. They are working on an undo procedure as well.
- Bwana ☠
iGoogle has been my home page for well over a year and what I have found is that via widgets its generally there for me to either click on gmail or to go into google reader - the other widgets are generally worth an odd glance but thats about it - I've put feedly as my home page and will see how this works out - but first impressions is a clean easy to use interface even if you have a few hundred feeds to juggle..
- Jican
Feedly is awesome: I had a few hiccups after installation, but I re-installed, and it has been a real help in 2 ways: 1) motivated me to clean up my feeds and sort them into a major category 2)motivates me daily to actually skim through and read the content that is closest to my current interests. well done!
- Terri MacMillan
Not dissing Feedly, but didn't experience anything that made me want to give up Google Reader when I tried Feedly a few months ago. Anyone care to explain why I should try again?
- Chris Stevenson
I don't work for them, so I don't see a reason to convince you. Some people like it, some don't.
- Fleagle
Hi Chris: feedly tries to provide a magazine like summary of your google reader. Some users only care about productivity and find the magazine like interface a step backward. Some users like it and use it in concert with their google reader. Some people prefer using the magazine like interface only.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
it must be part of the API, since fftogo seems to include a time stamp on the comments
- Trent Olson
I'm sure they do store the timestamp, even if it isn't currently displayed.
- Mack D. Male
Yeah, it's in the api, all comments & likes are timestamped
- Glenn Slaven
I think this is a perfect plan. The only issue I might have is that the time information might take-over the conversations. It might just look more cluttered than FF already is.
- Ryne Nelson
concur, very useful to have. Make it a display option. Those who would think it's clutter can turn it off then.
- Alexander Falk
It is in the API (I use them in fftogo). I vote that the timestamp should appear as text when you hover over the "thought bubble" to the left.
- Benjamin Golub
All comments are time-stamped in AlrertThingy and feedalizr
- Stephen B
from Alert Thingy
What about a comment alert?! How do you follow conversations on ff!?
- TommaSorchiotti
Not sure if this will add to the functionality, but should be something they can try out...
- Dennis Goedegebuure
Not sure a comment alert is necessary. Comments bring the post up to the top of the timeline, which makes it available for anyone who is currently paying attention to Friendfeed. (Not sure why anyone would want their attention brought to Friendfeed if it isn't already there, that would be a huge productivity drain).
- Jason Wehmhoener
Please, please remember that the whole world doesn't run on PDT. I don't want to see timestamps in my FF in gReader and have to always try to guess whether the west coast is 17, 16, or 15 hours behind. If you must display timestamps, please put them in GMT. Setting the timestamps on my FF page/in my FF feed to be correct in my local timezone would be even nicer.
- James Polley
yeah ! and a hide fonction for each comment
- Jonathan
we know which came first... but in n argument the comments can edit. that makes time stamping very important so we know when someone made a change
- Noah David Simon
a timeline function in general would be nice, make everything more timeframe friendly
- Ruben Llibre
Show times either in GMT or in my own timezone, and just make it a tooltip for the quote balloon or something. Don't want it to look cluttered.
- Pat Hawks
just make the time relative from each comment, so I know who said what when in perspective. like 5 minutes later Noah David Simon said. <--this opens up
- Noah David Simon
Is i really important to know when every single comment is made? Only the last one would really be useful, could have 'last comment on june 1 at..." right beside the date of the post.
- John Duff
If the timestamp is a tooltip, then it isn't really "in the way." Maybe we can have all the timestamps as tooltips, except the most recent comment will have the timestamp printed out below it, like John said.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
I am so tired of entering an empty room and talking to myself for twenty minutes. lol
- Russellreno
A needed feature for sure I agree. I suggested this to the FF feedback room some weeks ago.
- Mike Fruchter
<--- try hover your mouse cursor on that little dialog icon
- topo
Sorry it's not more obvious, but if you hover your mouse over the comment icon you will see the time that the comment was made. Thanks for letting us know that it's hard to find! The feedback is much appreciated.
- Ross Miller
I believe they are timestamped but this data is not yet displayed.... you're right !
- David Berrebi
other than timestamp I also want to be able to like the comments individually =]
- Özgür D. Cyric
This thread shows what happens when nobody reads the comments before theirs
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I like having each service as an individual contact. Much easier. Can we see the same for Pownce?
- Chris Nixon
Well, IMified has taken bot to a next level.. I even created a customized option to check my google calendar appointments for today (a quick schedule for today) by interacting with bot! Not sure, if they have one for Pownce..
- Jigar Mehta
from bTT
One year later. Just bumping this because it's the one year anniversary of the only item on FriendFeed to get more than 400 likes. (452 at the moment)
- Ken Sheppardson
Cee Bee, that's close...more of a "that's bad ass" reaction to that Pug...reminds me of the dog in MIB...good effort though, but I still contend the Bambi pics are still an 11 on the Cute Scale...
- Live4Emma (L4S)
FriendFeed helped me achieve my first Google PR5 ranking
- Glenn Batuyong
YEAH!!! Congratulations FriendFeed!! What an amazing and productive first year...very impressive!! So happy for you guys!! Thank you Robert for reminding us of their birthday and to appreciate their product!!
- Susan Beebe
Thank you FriendFeed, Robert Scoble and everyone else that has made FF the useful and entertaining tool that it is!
- David Ward
I look forward to seeing how FF moves forward, very good service, thanks to Paul and the team for their hard work creating a very useful utility.
- Jeremy Campbell
from twhirl
FriendFeed is so useful that I don't even know what I'd do without it. Congrats on completing your 1st year FF!!
- J. D. Ebberly
Wow, its hard to believe that FF is already a year old.
- Josh Smith
It took you almost a year to get me onto friendfeed? Dude, WTF?
- Alex Scoble
I predict that I will be unemployed by this time next year if my first month's activity on FF is any indciation of what the next year will bring. :D I joke. I think.
- ♥patricia♥
Shannon: that wasn't even the private beta. That was the "are you a sibling of Bret beta," of which you were the only participant :)
- Bret Taylor
I used to have a coin that said "It's a bug" on one side and "It's a feature" on the other side. Came in quite handy in defect triage meetings.
- Andy Roth
By the time it gets dressed up the bug probably has a few more legs ;)
- Mathieu Ayel
Bahaha, kind of reminds me of how WoW players talk about Bliz "Its not a bug; its a feature" and "Its working as intended!"
- David Adam
ha, i haven't opened mine since May. i skeered.
- Admiral Anika
Thats why I cant use a reader. I get anxious when they pile up.
- Archangel ωαřмaiden
RSS readers are boring, content is better vetted by your pals on friendfeed.
- Thomas Hawk
You can't hit all topics though. That's the problem with FF at this point.
- Shawn Farner
The problem with FF is that I also like finding info on my own and being able to share it. I enjoy finding things through my friends on FF, but I'd like to reciprocate that and reading my rss feeds is a great way to do that.
- Mattie Kenny
And I do, Mark. But when I've fallen behind, it doesn't help anyone for me to find something *awesome* from last week in my reader and share it... So, I go through the last 3 days, and mark the rest as read.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Chris is a tech superstar that I listen to deeply. He is excited by Google's moves and lays out the poor execution on the Mozilla side of the fence.
- Robert Scoble
What I missed in the Chrome comic was a mention of browser add-ons like Firefox's. Surfing the web without Adblock Plus is hard to imagine.
- Ole Begemann
or without the delicious add-ons... or the evernote add-on... but at least bookmarklets are (likely?) to still work.
- Justin Long
The comic was aimed squarely at devs. There was little mention of what would make end users choose Chrome over IE.
- Paul Grav
Best read so far, been waiting for a commentary like this...
- Kevin Cearns
Gee, Ole... why wouldn't Google want you running AdBlock Plus? Can't imagine. ;) (Now, I agree, add-ons are cool, but as a publisher, I'm not going to weep over that one...) Anyway, I wouldn't count Firefox out. Obviously, what Google addresses is the performance/reliability side and building around apps. Both FF and Chrome are built around standards, both closely married to JavaScript for what they do next. I think this could be a great rivalry, frankly.
- Peter Kirn
from twhirl
They talk explicitly about plugins on pages 29-32 of the comic so you should be able to have your AdBlock. I seriously doubt Google cares that much about AdBlockers -- which makes up an extremely small percent of the overall market, and which is probably made up of people who don't click ads anyway.
- Chris Messina
Chris: I suspect by plugins they mean Flash etc. and not Firefox-style extensions. But I hope I'm wrong.
- Ole Begemann
Will they, wont they. Time will tell. Who do you want to hate today?
- Steve Blamey
Interesting article. More choice = better for the users. But I think that you are over-hyping the death of Firefox. As far I can tell. Firefox 3.0 is much better than Firefox 2.0 and Firefox 3.1 will be better than Firefox 3.0. Multi-process, V8 and native Gears support are definitely a step forward but firefox is part of an ecosystem so I would not count them out (A lot of people said...
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- Edwin Khodabakchian
Hmm, well, I didn't claim to foretell the death of Firefox at all. In fact, Firefox will likely continue to gain marketshare and attention (as the web is still expanding). One of my points is that Mozilla missed the opportunity to be the foundation of Chrome -- and will now have to play catch up -- instead of set the agenda for what's next.
- Chris Messina
Do you think that was a technical decision or a control decision. From the last couple of interviews I have seen of John Lilly, I think that he has a really clear vision around performance, usability and ecosystem. Performance is coming in 3.1. Usability is driven by some of the concept Labs has been pushing out and ecosystem come from the fact that there are 100s of extensions to...
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- Edwin Khodabakchian
I am using chrome right now, and I really miss my shareaholic addon as well as my stumbleupon bar. hopefully the developers get crackin for plugins for this browser.
- James Campbell
I'm hoping to see some good progress from Mozilla. I do worry a bit about them fish-tailing and not being able to say no to developers (whose needs are often very different from regular folks). We shall see. @James Campbell:There will be a need for web hooks, no doubt... and places to insert additions or modifications to your browser experience -- I don't really doubt that (some standardization there would be nice too).
- Chris Messina
The bookmarklets work just fine. I really wouldn't miss any of my add-ons...but the fact that I can't scroll up with my mouse is a deal breaker. talking about plugins/add-ons/extensions when people can't even scroll up is kinda putting the cart before the horse...just sayin
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
"Let me be as clear as possible," Obama said. "I think people's families are off-limits, and people's children are especially off-limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as governor or her potential performance as a vice president."
- MG Siegler
from Bookmarklet
Admire that approach, wish more were like it
- Sally Church
Class, yes. If the unlikely story that she lied about her pregnancy is true, it becomes a part of our politics, unfortunately, as it shows her level of integrity.
- EricaJoy
Palin's views on reproductive rights, marriage, contraception, single parenthood, and what is considered "legitimate" and "shameful" therein could soon become a matter of law - so if her family is off-limits, ours certainly won't be. Just something to keep in mind!
- joneilortiz
Didn't Obama say he wouldn't want his daughters to 'pay for a mistake with a baby?' That's not making them off limits, that's using their reproductive rights for his own agenda - just like Palin.
- MLx
joneilortiz , there are 3 branches of America's government. Mrs. Palin will serve in a subordinate position in the executive branch. For her views to become a matter of law, even if she were to become President, would literally require an act of Congress and the Judicial branch would have to uphold it. ie, it aint gonna happen.
- Mattb4rd
-1 joneilortiz. Presidents, and especially vice presidents, do not create laws. They can bring proposals to Congress but it's up to Congress, with a current Democratic majority, mind you, to actually create the laws. Just something to keep in mind.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I hate everything the man stands for, and yet I believe him when he makes this request.
- Trevor Carpenter
If, after the last 8 years especially, you don't think the Executive Branch has tremendous effect on what becomes law - Supreme Court justices are appointed, don't forget - then you are simply misinformed. Abortion rights and accessibility, for instance, have been whittled down through all sorts of measures that work in and around legislative action. Federal funding of faith-based programs, which effect reproductive rights tremendously, have of late been the work of the Executive Branch.
- joneilortiz
@Mattb4rd: didn't you hear that the VP is no longer considered part of the executive branch?
- Jim Norris
@Jim Norris: No, I haven't heard that one. What's the punchline?
- Mattb4rd
joneilortiz, that's a different issue all together and a very important one. You're never really voting for a president, you're voting for the Chief Justices he appoints. However, even they do not make law; they interpret it. It's just, uh, as of late, they've been making quite a miserable job of it.
- Akiva Moskovitz
@Jim Oh, that's right! lol @Akiva Ya, totally. Hopefully we'll get to a place where the executive branch doesn't have their hands in all the books!
- joneilortiz
Very classy. The fact is, its none of our business. Even if the crazy, cruel stories going about were true, I could not fault a mother for protecting her family.
- jcunwired
@Mattb4rd/Akiva, don't be silly. The very purpose of running someone as Vice/President is so that their views become law. 'Become,' you will note, as a rather broad term. The constitutional details you refer to are of little relevance to any White House whose party has a bunch of people in Congress.
- j1m
@Jody, but I could fault her for lying about it to the public and press. (Assuming she did, not saying she did.) It's also a matter of judgment. The choices she supposedly made tell a lot about her character. Lying is lying, whether it's to protect your daughter or to keep your wife from knowing you got a BJ.
- Jeff P. Henderson
@Trevor, You hate everything he stands for? Why? What is it you think he stands for?
- Tanath
"Journalists should report on this press blackout as news in itself -- it is a big deal that after 8 years of Bush-Cheney secrecy, the G.O.P. is running a VP candidate who won't even make a pretense of answering questions from the press or investigators -- and activists can make the blackout an issue."
- newsjunk.com
Glad I'm not the only one who has figured out that McCain is a fracking coward.
- Dave Winer
The main point is this: they don't believe in their own candidate!! Think about it. A political candidate that is unwilling and unable to engage in direct give-and-take with the Fourth Estate isn't fit to serve as dogcatcher of Wasilla, Alaska, not to mention as president of the most powerful nation on the planet. These are the kinds of standards one finds in totalitarian states, not functioning democracies.
- Sean McBride
there's nothing wrong with being a nerd / geek / dork! revenge of the nerds ftw!
- Mona Nomura
I refuse to admit that an Apple nerd is the second iteration of the original geek. I'd buy that the geek and the nerd both fork from the same dork tree, though.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Also, say that second sentence five times fast out loud. :)
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
+1 Mark. The internet is seemingly filled with 'geeks' who can't fix their own computers. (I said can't, not won't)
- Yuvi
Funny >the geek and the nerd both fork from the same dork tree, though.
- Russellreno
Very nice! You could replace the D&D by a deck of Magic the gathering in Geek 1.0
- João Almeida
from twhirl
Geek 1.5 ("The Transitional"): 1. Trusty Palm V (in all its form factor glory) in hand, 2. Inserted into casual conversation: "AOL! - Pssf! Not even on dial-up anymore -- once you go to BroadBand, you can't go back! And High-waters, w/ pair of scissors applied, have become DYI shorts that are the new source of fashion ridicule.
- Micah Wittman
from twhirl
If my ADND gaming group is any indication, the game is still D&D, but character sheets are on the computers. I fully believe I combine the best of both worlds; with a Tablet PC my character sheets are both digital and handwritten. I've got to admit the spreadsheet users have it nice, when it comes to stat penalties and recalculating...uh, I think I should shut up, now.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
"Whereas standard maps offer an approachable means of visualizing the world, Worldmapper’s striking cartograms work the other way, de-stabilizing the earth as we know it while focusing upon some of the planet’s most vital topics. From population density to oil consumption and CO2 levels, these radically redefined maps incorporate data and figures to create a shifting series of unfamiliar landscapes that form excellent visual metaphors of their content."
- Carlos Ayala
from Bookmarklet
sometimes when you're slippery, you slip and fall down.
- M. Donaldson
This is a clear example of one thing that's wrong with politics... You can't ask direct questions. Heck, I'm waiting for Obama to answer how he's going to lower taxes for 95% of us, increase the military and give people the same health insurance that congress has.
- Jim McCusker
Too bad McC pulled out -- and thanks to Campbell Brown for doing her job. You know it pisses me off when reporters wonder how Biden is going to challenge Palin when they debate. It's their job to ask the tough questions, not Biden's. The Republicans nominated her, they need to explain. She didn't do anything wrong, nor did the guy she was interviewing. McCain fucked up thinking no one would ask what her qualifications were. Geez.
- Dave Winer
I'd say Brown should get a Pulitzer, but that just says how incompetent the press is, she was just doing her job. You shouldn't get a prize for doing your job.
- Dave Winer
This year, the GOP is taking dodging questions and doubletalk to new heights. Kudos to Campbell for pressing the issue.
- Mark Edwards
Doesn't anyone else think it's odd that the media wants to pursue an issue that neither campaign thinks belongs in the political domain? Campbell Brown acted as if some nebulous "media" out there was to blame for all this when she is the media and has the ability to choose for herself.
- Jan Dawson
pwned. unfortunately doublespeak is their specialty. They can convince the American public that a turd is a heavenly nugget of gelato given the chance.
- Glenn Batuyong
McCain's decision to skip the CNN interview is *lame* Taking your ball and going home is now way to convince me you're ready to run the country. "When the going gets tough - quit!"
- MikeAmundsen
Yeah Mike, like when the Dems said no debate on FOX, that was tough, hey?
- eggsy
Palin is no less prepared to be President than Obama or Biden. Simple as that. By Campbell Brown's standards, Obama shouldn't be running.
- ComicList
@eggsy did you pick up any lyndon larouche materials? your analogy is silly ... Obama & McCain had a nice values debate in a very clear format - bring your best game ... your dated troll comments are great entertainment!
- Scott Moskowitz
ironic part of it is that Brown's husband is a republican strategist and she certainly seems to lean their way often.
- R. Ferguson
@eggsy I'd lean for Ron Paul, my fellow American - but I fully appreciate your right to present non sequiturs ... whatever that silly Latin means
- Scott Moskowitz
That's completely insane. You could replace everything he said with the "wah wah" of adults in the Charlie Brown cartoons.
- Chrimmus Tad
splendid spin, mixed with some shooting the questioner.
- Duncan Riley
There's a bit of a difference between Fox News (which, I'm sorry, registered Republican here who realizes this network is horribly biased) aiming to smear a Democrat and CNN asking a legitimate question and getting a bullsh*t answer.
- Shawn Farner
She should not have given it to him. What a wimp. She sensed tears coming on. How thoughtful of her.
- Briana Franco
Kudos for Campbell. It's not about length of time or position but what type of decisions you've made. Unfortunate Tucker wasn't able to name one off the top of his hat. Hopefully he'll be better prepared next time. BTW - which of the three Senators sit on the Foreign Relations Committee?
- AJ Kohn
Alright, on a serious note, Campbell made a mistake by talking over the top of the campaigner. This is a bad habit that TV interviewers get into: they go into the interview with one question that they want answered, and if they don't get it answered, they ask it again and again to make a rhetorical point, and no one learns anything. It's the journalistic equivalent of filibustering. Far better to let the man speak, then catch him out on what no doubt would have been logical inconsistencies in his argument.
- Paul Montgomery
Wow, He should have been better prepared. He was more prepared to slight the democratic party (offense) than prepared to protect the republican party (defense). LMSO!
- Valley
Are all men named Tucker complete idiots?
- Andy Wibbels
The Republicans are so on the ropes - pity the public won't get it...
- Sean Kelly
Was this a clip from Comedy Central? Or American Gladiator? Tucker got served.
- Larry Kless
She should have given up at ~1.00 minute into the interview. This guy was NOT going to answer the initial question nor any of the follow up questions.
- Jeff P. Henderson
The thing that pisses me off about all of this back and forth about who has experience and who doesn't is that they seem to be focusing on executive experience only. People seem to forget when comparing Obama to Palin that Obama has a law degree, taught constitutional law at University of Chicago Law School for 12 years, was an associate at law firm for 6, was a State Senator for 6 and...
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- Jeff P. Henderson
Media doing its job. Amazing! Pity you guys don't have Jeremy Paxman.
- Paul Grav
This entry is in the most liked list of ffholic.com! Congrats! :)
- FFholic.com
Coreldraw FTW! Personally the application is more important to me than the operating system. For my purposes, Photoshop is Photoshop, InDesign is InDesign, etc.. So unless my main tools are restricted by being on Windows, I'll keep on going.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Why don't you have someone in the US get you a Mac, or come down and buy one here?
- Jason Carreira
I say crowdsource the payment and see if you can find 30 FFers to give you $100. It's worth it.
- Louis Gray
@Louis .. don't thnk I have that many interested followers so it might be a tad difficult :)
- Steven Hodson
@Jason - either way it is money I don't have :)
- Steven Hodson
I thought the problem was that Canadian prices for Macs were higher? Have you looked at used equipment?
- Jason Carreira
used computer equipment .. please tell me you're joking :) as for the Canadian cost yes that is something I would have to take into account when I do upgrade from this machine but that probably won't be for another 6 months if I am lucky .. somehow I don't see being able to afford a dual monitor Mac setup by then but I will probably be able to afford a new motherboard and other parts.
- Steven Hodson
iTunes for iPhone, but do not use it for anything else. Recently did a clean virgin install and within 7 days it was running like crap with only 2 apps installed. Day to day is Linux. Bye bye MS.
- Brad Nickel
"an Apple Mac would be around the $3,000.00 mark by the time you add in taxes." This is only true if you buy the top of the line Mac. Do you need a top-of-the-line computer? If you don't, you can walk out with an iMac or a MacBook, both incredibly capable machines, for $1,500-1,700 dollars. It's not $1,000, but it's not $3,000 either.
- Mark Trapp
" If I need replacement parts in an emergency I can either make a single phone call to a local friend or head to any of the computer stores in town and get what I need." How many times do you have to replace parts in a brand new computer?
- Mark Trapp
" Now, before any one mentions buying it online I don’t have a credit card and unlike Tiger Direct where I can use PayPal to buy PC components or whole machines Apple will only take credit cards online." You don't have to buy directly from Apple. Several online vendors are Apple resellers, and I'm sure you can find one that accepts PayPal. If you can't, I can.
- Mark Trapp
"Along with this take into account if something goes wrong with the machine I either once again have to find a way to Toronto or pay for shipping." If you're under warranty, Apple pays for shipping. They even send you the box to ship it in.
- Mark Trapp
You may not want to switch from Windows, but if you look into the alternatives a little more, you'll find it's not as bad as you made it in this article.
- Mark Trapp
Steven - Interesting piece and there are many parts where I am right there with you along the timeline. Weird coincidence as I did set up a box to dual boot Linux on Friday (the latest incarnation of gOS Ubuntu). Put me in front of a Mac, I'm lost. Recently I picked up a fully loaded Acer laptop for under $400 US (open box new). Vista Home Premium onboard, a few driver upgrades and some memory was enough for me to say 'The Mac can wait'. On the other hand, the iPhone bug is still well ... buggin' me :)
- Charlie Anzman
You dismiss Linux because you "don't like it", and you don't give any reason for not liking it? Are you sure it's not more a case of "I don't like it, it's all different and it doesn't know what a C:\ is"....? j/k ;-P Other than that, great article!
- Slappy Line
Or FriendFeed could just scrap all comments and implement Disqus
- Pat Hawks
Still really like the idea of liking comments.
- xero
Threads, or at least some form of @Reply
- Pat Hawks
@Julian That's what I mean. Hot comments and votes and fun stuff like that would be fun. I don't know if it'd way over complicate things (my guess is it would)
- Pat Hawks
I'm not thinking of full-blown threaded commenting, just something as simple as "liking" a comment, and then as several others suggested, those comments might float to the top.
- Brandon Wood
But if I can "like" a comment, I should be able to reply to a comment, right?
- Pat Hawks
@Pat you mean like Disqus? I think that would work well!
- Joe Dawson
yes, no voting..please..(star could be OK)
- Ben Borges
How about a comparitive way of liking comments, where by the subscriber suggestions are influenced by the people who we favour their contribution?
- Joe Dawson
For now, could click speech bubble, will go to sub bubble with same layout for post ie like etc, grey button will say Reply for example and when you do or say what about on an individuals comment the main speech button will change to a neutral colour on the main comment list which would signifiy that a comment was made about that comment and you click on to see more like you do for show...
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- Jason
I like the sound of this, just like you can do on Digg, etc. Though could get a bit messy
- Kol Tregaskes
From Yodel Anecdotal (Yahoo's Corporate Blog): "I emailed Matt on a lark, with an invitation to come do a video with Yahoos in Sunnyvale. What you see here is the effect of one incredibly willing Internet phenomenon, as I dragged him hither and yon across our campus to shoot 33 scenes in less than seven hours. This video closed a recent company all-hands meeting — webcast to 14,000 employees worldwide — as a reminder that, in spite of the extraordinary events of last seven months, this is still one helluva great company."
- Mark Trapp
from Bookmarklet
i wanna kick this guy in the nuts and capture it on film so i can distribute it all over the internets
- Cee Bee
they portray it as if no money changed hands....
- Ňicķ
My team appears at 2:00. It was tons of fun, I'm in the lower left of the screen.
- Mark Interrante
Mark: very cool. I was looking for another certain someone, but couldn't find her :-P I wonder what other Friendfeeders are featured in the video.
- Mark Trapp
It's surprising that this hasn't been implemented even though hundreds of people have suggested it. Makes me think that FF isn't comfortable sharing the data.
- Joe Lazarus
I wish there was a new tab in FriendFeed: "close friends." Instead, I'm opening a new FriendFeed account to see what life is like when you only have a few friends.
I think you will get this. Ana hinted at "good friends" in one of her updates. And third party apps like FriendFeedMachine offer this today.
- Louis Gray
It'll absolutely come - we just have to be patient. They can only last so long on hot pockets, coffee, or whatever else they eat while they code...
- Ben Parr
let me save you the trouble, its kind of like being ignored half the time
- Chris Conway
I'd love to see this implemented so that you can "group" your friends.
- Jeff Smigel
Try ignoring this account for a week and just log onto the private one -- enjoy the peace. :)
- Robert Couture
Agree with Jeff... I'd like a tab with tech friends and non-tech friends, meat-space friends, work friends, amusing friends, etc. So I could have different "flavors" of FriendFeed depending on my mood.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
I just signed in. What was amazing was there was someone following me before I even completed the process. I guess she must have added me off of my other email address. Weird.
- Robert Scoble
Could creating a room to put your 'real' friends be an option?
- Michael
I agree with Jeff. Moreover to be able to define groups/tabs like "close friends," "colleauges," etc., and give each group a priority in terms of displaying contents and have FF somehow displaying according to priority of those groups/tabs.
- Hayk H.
I'm using FriendFeed Filters: Friends & Groups (http://ffapps.com/filters/) exactly for the "close friends" purpose and it's all right. In my case, one wish saved :)
- Dani Radu
or nudge tweetdeck to support FF so you could group your collegues into a different stream!
- Nancy Babyak
from twhirl
I'd LOVE to be able to favorite FF users I read most so I could see their stuff at the top of my pile. :)
- Leslie Poston
I'd like "favorite users" in different tabs. And the different groups. Also like to have a clipboard tab, where "clipped" users/articles stay (and I can follow them) and are removed from the "friends" tab (temporarily).
- Mitchell Tsai
i also think that there is enough space for additional (custom) tabs here
- Dieter Schwarz
I would definitely like to see this feature added! I like Lindsay's suggestion to have several tabs with groups of friends.
- Jeff P. Henderson
I've been wanting friend groups for a while, just so I can filter things quicker.
- xero
Great idea, group friends and/or related tabs. An idea I've had for a while was "Friend Weight" where as a friend is slower to leave the front page or be buried down. Who knows what's up FriendFeed's sleeves?
- Colby Olson
Friendfeed should simply let you privately rate all relationships on a 1 to 10 scale. You could then filter FF by these numerical ratings. It would also be useful information for them to use when they come out with their "best of the day, week, month, etc." algorithm based on social metadata and personal relevancy.
- Thomas Hawk
do you find that your friends list on twitter is different from friendfeed? at least for me, friendfeed has some of my closer friends and/or people who's content I follow everyday, whereas twitter has just about anyone.
- Chris Salazar
If I tried that, I'd never see FriendFeed update as only two of my close friends use it and neither of them use it that much except to mainly comment.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I've been dreaming of the same thing. I don't want to get rid of the "friend of" concept all together; I find lots of good stuff that way. But there are times i wish i could switch over to a subset of people quickly. Maybe two new tabs? "just friends" and "close friends" ?
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
It would be great if : 1 - one could limite the update to connected people (and not receiving updates of friend of a friend - eventhough this info could be accessible somewhere), or may be I missed something here, 2 - create lists of friends (like family, work, techy which would be displayed as tabs)
- Olivier
this sounds like a job for @directeur and noiseriver ;)
- Ruben Llibre
there could be an acquaintances tab? no? I would follow more people if I could filter it a little more, regardless of the system applied. Sometimes I want to see what some folks are saying/doing and sometimes I want to get a little adventurous. While we are at it, for finding new people to follow you could have FOAFOAF... maybe not.
- Scott Lockhart
you could have just borrowed mine Robert!
- Morgan
Friendfeed should pull a Twitter and aquire some of the better apps.
- Roberto Bonini
NO! I don't want FF pulling a Twitter. FF is fail whale free, let's keep it that way :)
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
Agree I would follow more people with this tab but I try and keep to feeds that particularly interest me (ie photography-related in my case)
- Kol Tregaskes
from twhirl
I would like this as well. :) They can call it the BFF tab! :)
- Daynah
I would love the idea of grouping friends.
- Bob Blunk
Hey Robert... how is Day 1 with your super secret new FF account? Like it? Learn anything you care to share with us? Thx!
- Susan Beebe
Susan: I am back to my real account. I like the noise. :-)
- Robert Scoble
It's a good idea... make it reputation based, or use some other criteria.
- Bill Sodeman
The friend / close friend dynamic is one that no social networking/media site I've seen has quite ever gotten exactly right. If anyone can do it, I would bet on FF !
- Eric Berlin
FriendFeed needs an additional tab (as does Twitter, Identi.ca, and others) allowing you to show posts from only "favorited" friends. I am currently doing this with RSS, but IMO that's a hack.
- Jesse Stay
Heh - just realized I was commenting the exact same thing you were saying in the post - need to read better. ;) Consider it a me too++
- Jesse Stay
I do not like the idea of "close friends" as defined by any application. A generic grouping mechanism is more helpful because you can create your "close friends" group, and you can create a "techies" group or whatever else you desire. I am actually surprised that FF does not have it already given that rooms have been around for a while.
- Rob Diana
@Robert, why does it not surprise me that you went back to your real account? Good to see that you are experimenting though.
- Rob Diana
I would rather have Close Friends that the current Subscriptions listing on the sidebar of my personal page
- Mark Dykeman
Robert: Wow, that was fast! I was wondering how long you'd stay away from the firehouse of cool noise! :-)
- Susan Beebe
I was kind of sad to see Robert split off with a second account, and uncomfortable with the possibility of others following. I'm having a great time learning from and interacting with everyone, and honored to be able to do so. Welcome back, and thanks!
- jcunwired
FriendFeed request of the evening: It would be *awesome* to integrate "Likes" as endorsements on social sites. As in if I like a Reddit story on FF, it should upvote on Reddit. Or on Digg. Or on SU. Cool idea, eh? :)
it's a cool idea, but I hope they don't do it. FriendFeed will be consumed by bloggers looking for traffic. I think that has a bad net effect.
- Robert Seidman
Good point. There are always ways to abuse the system. :(
- Tamar Weinberg
How about granting this right for established FFeres? Trust reward system?
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
That's actually a better idea. I see a few people who just use FF to establish their presence (and score their username before someone else does) but they never engage, which was a gripe of mine earlier this week. Active engagement should be rewarded. Just liking things (without commenting) might be overkill. The middle ground would make more sense and I think it can still be purely democratic (as to who can participate).
- Tamar Weinberg
I'd just like to figure out how to squirt RSS into a room...
- Michael Moran
even if they can't be fully integrated, support to Digg, vote etc would be ideal. There's no reason why it couldn't be done for Digg, they have a fairly liberal and open API
- Duncan Riley
@Duncan - AFAIK the Digg api is read only. I'm pretty sure that it is.
- Yuvi
Obviously the other site would have to support voting in its API. This could be very powerful, but the question is how to prove a human is voting when all it takes is an API call.
- Raphael, Raphael
It makes sense so that there won't be dupes of the same story - one for the like on FF, and one for the vote on the website.. Huge room for abuse though..
- embee
tamar: sorry was busy, same basic reason that robert mentioned above, ff will just become yet another traffic boasting platform to game and the noise will make it unusable - today ff is a great presence aggregation tool (i subscribe to you and all your services) plus a good follow on communication mechanism (this thread) - like's don't mean that much and that's a good thing, not much to game - i really like the purity of focus from a start-up perspective that the ff team has kept to
- mike "glemak" dunn
tamar: one more thing, the /friendfeed-feedback room is the best place to leave suggestions for the ff team regarding suggestions or bugs - i've reshared this thread there so others who like to see and comment on these sorts of things can participate :)
- mike "glemak" dunn
You certainly have legitimate concerns. It may work to entertain a possible democratic way of getting trusted individuals whose votes would actually weigh something, whereas others (who are here for the sheer reason of abuse) don't. I guess that it's wishful thinking, though.
- Tamar Weinberg
Tamar -- as a startup, I don't think FriendFeed should have entertaining "a democratic way of getting trusted individuals" on its radar. "It seems easily doable", is much easier in theory than in practice. it gets very complex, very fast and figuring it out and becomes a distraction that takes away from creating the best aggregation/social information service. I'm not just a little against it at this juncture, but very, very opposed to them even thinking about this : )
- Robert Seidman
a pull down menu for all types of bookmarks, votes and shares would be great and would save a lot of time for people. ...and what the hell is wrong with bloggers looking for traffic. aren't we all trying to speak out?
- Noah David Simon
In addition to the gaming abuse, Noah, what you describe is exactly the reason why I'm against it. Everyone will quite naturally want to use it as a time saver to drive traffic to their websites. That would become the primary usage of FriendFeed. I understand that some wouldn't mind this at all, but believe many would.
- Robert Seidman
so the reason you came here is because you wanted a community? I doubt it. we all came because we saw the sharing possibility. the community is an afterthought
- Noah David Simon
Thanks a lot guys. I''m really interested in seeing who manages to clear this hump, and what that product will look like.
- Steve Spalding
I hear ya Steve, we have been banging our heads off the wall with these issues for years now :) My head is starting to hurt! lol
- Adrian Nadeau
"Writing about technology on the web is like building a Starbucks in Manhattan — it seems like a great idea until you look across the street." Nice. :)
- Nathaniel Payne
Fabulous post, Steve. It's a message we've brought up ad nauseum on The Guidewire but the irony is, of course, that the mainstream isn't reading either one of our blogs. In an interview on 60 Minutes this weekend, Bruce Springsteen said something I can't get out of my head. "You have to make an audience care about your obsessions." I personally haven't figured out how to do that yet, but am somewhat comforted that none of us in the technosphere have.
- Carla Thompson
I think a large part of it is making our obsessions more palatable. We are all saturated in information day in and day out, so we develop solutions to the problems that arise from that, "if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail." The result is that the best ideas I ever hear using social tech come from people who have just been introduced to it.
- Steve Spalding
@Nate who knows, so many of them are shutting down it might not be such a bad plan afterall. ;)
- Steve Spalding
Seth needs to reread his book Meatball Sunday! Is he pushing a pyramid skim? "Buy my book to join my tribe!" John Chow!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Great post. Mainstream is much bigger. Popular articles on FriendFeed can't usually get anywhere on Digg.
- Mitchell Tsai
Even Digg is only a larger subset of "not mainstream." It has a lot of traffic, but I think sites like Drudge Report, DailyKos and Perez Hilton have orders of magnitude more -awareness-. We are very good at rallying numbers, but very bad at getting people to care.
- Steve Spalding
Leverage: Do you need to reach everyone though? What about concentrating on movers & shakers (or whichever group interests you)?
- Mitchell Tsai
You definitely don't need to reach everyone. The problem we suffer from is that movers and shakers are generally unwilling to -buy- the services that are being offered to them. I am less concerned with saturating mainstream markets than I am in creating services that meet the -needs- of mainstream markets (an enterprise software company is way more likely to be profitable than even the most popular social app)
- Steve Spalding
I don't view the "law of large numbers" as a "dirty little secret". I agree with you across the board though which is why I've never wasted any time chasing Digg or Stumble traffic. We just got a stable link from Drudge to TVbytheNumbers -- no branding, just "TV Ratings" (which makes a lot of sense for a few reasons). We didn't ask (never have communicated w/Drudge). It's not as much...
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- Robert Seidman
Steve: How about concentrating just on "influencers" (not big movers & shakers, but people who are heavy networkers)? There was a marketing book (forget name) which said that "Old money" tends to hide info - my favorite hairdresser, vacation spot, etc..., but some types of "New money" are the guys who share their favorite tips around the golf club - cool car I got, great vacation spot, neat electronic toy, good business connection spot.
- Mitchell Tsai
Excellent post Steve, for a minute there I thought it had to do with fraud.
- Mike Fruchter
Great points. In the past few years of writing my blog, I figured out that nobody cares about what I think is cool. But when I solve problems that plague others, ones which I personally might brush off or consider trivial, such as how to recover a lost password or use a spreadsheet to budget your money, the traffic pours in.
- Tom Harrison
Mitchell, that's another good point. Especially when growing a product, but many times you are going to have to move past initial influencers to scale your income.
- Steve Spalding
Steve: I think the cool web 2.0 idea is to have the *influencers* be part of your marketing team. It's a more-refined and friendly version of MLM. I'd rather have 100 other people do my selling, than try to sell everyone myself.
- Mitchell Tsai
Good post Steve. I wrote something about this phenomenon this morning. The problem is both a lack of creativity on the entrepreneur side (lets use the free model everyone else uses in web 2.0) and on the demand side. The mainstream user doesn't need services the early adopter crowd over here gets all crazy about (including Friendfeed). It doesn't solve a problem, address a need, so people won't pay for it. It's dead simple really. Create something that produces user value, and the user will be happy to pay
- Alexander van Elsas
fantastic article. So many good points and analogies.
- Chieze Okoye
@Alexander Right on, and there are a bunch of problems out there just like that. While there were a lot of problems with the pre-bubble days, the one thing they did well was recognize how the web could help with real, brick and mortar problems.
- Steve Spalding
Very cool Meryn, thanks for passing this along. This is exactly the sort of application that made the web so interesting for me.
- Steve Spalding
I loved this article. I was discussing Knol and data portability with a friend of mine last week and he informed me that he barely even uses facebook. This is both a challenge an an opportunity. The future lies with applications that are both ubiquitous and dead simple while adding real value to the lives of it's users. Facebook came close but the abundance of applications was both a...
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- Derick Valadao
Interesting concept, comparing effort to usage. How easy is it for someone to just "pick up" something like Friendfeed. I'd dare say it's harder than we might think.
- Steve Spalding
I loved the final sentence "What should we do while we’re waiting? I don’t know, we could probably use another Google-killer." I'm starting to write a undergrad thesis about Data Portability and this article made me think a lot about the target of all these rumblings: will the Crowd (tm) ever care about Data Portability, will it ever realize its value or will the service providers implement it in such a subtle way that ordinary users won't even notice?
- Francesco Levorato