Gillmor Gang recording live 1PM Pacific... - RealTime Network

curious what people make of the new RT on twitter - Christopher Harris

and Google's acquisitions of Admob and Gizmo5 - Vezquex: God of FF

We should start shortly, I'm still waiting for Steve Gillmor to call me up. - Robert Scoble

ready for Gillmor Gang with @jobsworth - Kevin Marks

Livestream launches free live streaming to iPhone and iPod Touch Safari. http://iphone.livestream.com/ - Vezquex: God of FF

On the call, should start shortly. - Robert Scoble

New New York Times sounds like something from Futurama. - Vezquex: God of FF

snap, iPhone - Vezquex: God of FF

So... is Palm dead? - Ken Sheppardson

What's palm? - Cliff Gerrish

You remember, Cliff... the last company to release a phone the Robert said was better than the iphone. - Ken Sheppardson

whining about a default setting? - Vezquex: God of FF

Didn't 3com used to own them... - Cliff Gerrish

Before the Apple people took over... - Ken Sheppardson

I like that slogan: "It's geekier" - Cliff Gerrish

No, Android is Linux to Apple's Apple. - Ken Sheppardson

iPhone = Windows, Palm = Apple, Android = Linux ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

Scoble needs something to argue about to feel relevant - scott anderson

Maybe Microsoft should release a phone operating system... - Ken Sheppardson

Here we go... - Mike Doeff

Hold on, hold on... Michael... did you *pay* for that Droid? - Ken Sheppardson

that was bizarre. i was getting overlapping audio. And Ken, you are a naughty, naughty boy. :) - Karoli

Ken - you trouble maker you! - Rob La Gesse

scott: give me a break. - Robert Scoble

I bought my own Droid. - Robert Scoble

I'm buying a Droid tomorrow - on a G1 now - Kevin Marks

I'm afraid to try the Droid as I'm pretty heavily emotionally invested in the Pre :-) - Ken Sheppardson

dang, you guys are really making me want a Droid. And Scoble hating is a great bonus. - Vezquex: God of FF

geeks make me laugh...the latest and greatest rivalries of geek toys. too bad Aron's not here to be one of the cool kids. - Karoli

As we saw with the Pre, you can say some device "single handedly restored" whatever, but just wait six months... - Ken Sheppardson

Is the web the platform, or are we seeing 2 or 3 new platforms in this space? - Cliff Gerrish

The web is the one true platform. - Vezquex: God of FF

one platform to rule them all? - Karoli

These guys are pissing me off..give me a break talking about how much better the apps are - Android just needs a little more time until the apps are mature - iPhone didn't have apps at first. The 1st version of the Facebook app wasn't perfect, there have been enhancements, upgrades etc - Kenny

what nokia is dead? - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

What market doesn't have one big 50% market share leader and 2-3 alternative smaller players? - Ken Sheppardson

the Android OS is an integrated component model where iPhone is a monolithic app model - scott anderson

The fact that Android is now getting momentum means, more, and better apps are coming very soon. Loving my HTC Hero !!! - Jim @TechFrog Alden

Who's the really old guy leading this whole thing? - Kenny

It is too soon to draw conclusions, folks. - Mona Nomura

Kenny: Steve Gillmor. - Robert Scoble

Kenny: I can't compare products based on what might be. I have to look at WHAT IS!!!! - Robert Scoble

Mona: Is it too early to draw the conclusion that more than one option can survive? ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

Thanks Robert - Kenny

Android is where the market is heading, more so outside the US, where iphone is a bit player. - mark w webster

mark: when I travel overseas I see iPhone usage very heavy. - Robert Scoble

I am very happy with my Droid. The apps are updating for the new Android 2.0. A new update to Twidroid will be out next week according to a tweet from the developer today. - Mike Shulman

mono is being ported to Android - scott anderson

you mix with geeks Robert :) - mark w webster

True Robert, but I think Android will only improve as time goes on, just like Apple and the iPhone did. - Kenny

I can see the back of Robert Scoble's head right now. This is too much real time web. ;) - Eric @ CSTechcast.com

The bar should not be set solely on platform and hardware -- the devs are a huge part of a phone's success. If Android developers step up, and the iPhone stays proprietary to AT&T, that opens up a whole new ball game. - Mona Nomura

HTML5 may make the apps more irrelevant. - Rob La Gesse

How is it that guys like this who love Tech, are considered the Top of Social Media all have the worst Web Cams, Audio Levels at all ranges and are crying about cutting each off like they are in some Playground, this is why nobody pays attention to them, blah! - Lorenzo

the Droid is just one phone. think about the difference between G1 and Droid. the next leap will be just as significant. - scott anderson

Not if your data plan cannot support it. AT&T's 3G is garbage and I don't have the patience to wait for sites to load. Hence, apps FTW. - Mona Nomura

HTML5 is key - the new platform for mobile web on all phones - Kevin Marks

I love all the commentary regarding Apple control of the app store. You should have tried building apps for Verizon. I spent hundreds of thousands of dollars just to get an application cleared to be put into their deck. You couldn't even write apps for Verizon if you didn't have a small war chest. - Jerry Schuman

Mona, agree 100% - Karoli

Even RIM hardcore fans are ready to jump to Android. - Karoli

I suspect the most disruptive thing to happen to the handset industry will be a regulatory end to carrier lock in in the next 3-5 years. - Ken Sheppardson

@Lorenzo I am a big fan of these guys. By the way, who was that guy in the East Coast Vegas video? - PC Easy

Am I really listening to grown men talk about Cell Phones? This country is doomed - Lorenzo

iphone market share over here tops less than 5%, though app availability is high on buyers minds, Android is making good strides in that area, it's a two horse race IMO. - mark w webster

RIM will be implementing WebKit browser in 2010 - Marc Delurgio

RIM hasn't progressed - at all, and their attempts have been nothing but FAIL. BB Storm? Really?? - Mona Nomura

ending carrier lock would be awesome! - Vezquex: God of FF

Lorenzo - you don;t have to watch/listen... - Kenny

I know kenny, however i think im permitted to give my opinion as long as I dont use vulgarity - Lorenzo

Changing the balance of power for phone development is key. The platform has been taken away from the telecoms. - Cliff Gerrish

I call bullshit on that fact. Get ready when each different handset starts having different requirements. - Jerry Schuman

True - Kenny

And those who keep bringing up HTML5, perhaps on Verizon's data it may run fine but on AT&T's unreliable 3G? NO. CDMA ftw. - Mona Nomura

I still think for a polished product that is easy to pick up and use, the Palm Pre is still my Favorite. - Luke Kilpatrick

100k iPhone apps doesn't matter - make 50 essential apps are avail for top 4 platforms, then the playing field is leveled - Marc Delurgio

I'm a big fan of Google Voice, except for the translations - they're pretty bad - Kenny

I'm sure I'm wrong, but I expect Android to take over handsets the same way Linux has taken over the desktop :-/ - Ken Sheppardson

lol - Kenny

Scoble - I have ridden with you while you use a cell phone for navigation - it is VERY scary! - Rob La Gesse

Palm Pre was introduced only recently here, a real Turkey, just in time for Xmas. - mark w webster

Lorenzo - I've seen you on Twitter and I know you use vulgarity. - PC Easy

Apple doesn't do cloud services. A single iPhone app developer will have a hard time competing with Google on that front. - scott anderson

PCEasy, are you not the person on twitter that continues to make horrible comments about Leo's face? - Lorenzo

Android will take over handsets because Windows Mobile is pitiful and iPhone OS is not available to 3rd-party devices. - Vezquex: God of FF

Rob: that's because iPhone doesn't do turn-by-turn so you have to look at the screen. - Robert Scoble

WM is dead, or at least, its in dire need of defibrilation - mark w webster

I still think the Droid reminds me of the feel of a 80's Transformer. I think the HTC Hero is a much more polished phone and will get better with Android 2.0. - Luke Kilpatrick

Google Nav does work pretty well, especially since its free, but it does need some improvements - but it's good enough that I canceled my Verizon Navigator - Kenny

apps will die - web apps will prevail - Marc Delurgio

IT's on all these devices, Steve - Ken Sheppardson

The Pre does turn by turn, for free and it works great. I still think the Google map app is pretty good. - Luke Kilpatrick

Robert Scoble, why is it you top tech geeks cant get your audibles to the same level, let alone have a decent webcam? Also, do you feel that 1938Media is slightly over-rated? Thank you - Lorenzo

HTML5 is not Reality. Not until we get rid of IE6 - Luke Kilpatrick

Lorenzo: that's Steve Gillmor who has control of audio levels. - Robert Scoble

Luke: IE6 isn't a problem on smartphones :-) - Ken Sheppardson

IE6 is dead. anyone who develops for it is a fool. - Karoli

Who is 1938media? I heard he's telling lies but I blocked him so I don't know what he's up to. - Robert Scoble

Robbie Scobbie, I thank you. - Lorenzo

The levels aren't perfect but still pretty good considering that you have 5 different people in 5 different locations on laptops - Kenny

He always talks crap about you on twitter to pceasy - Lorenzo

Chrome and Safari - Jerry Schuman

firefox for when I need firebug - Jerry Schuman

Lorenzo: I don't care. He lies. That's all I need to know. - Robert Scoble

IE only when my machine needs to dial home to Microsoft for something - Ken Sheppardson

I tried Chrome in Ubuntu and couldn't access any https:// pages. - Vezquex: God of FF

Yes but as a developer that builds web apps I still have to target IE6 which sucks majorly but its still the standard at enterprise. - Luke Kilpatrick

Android is licensed with Apache 2.0, a very business-friendly open source license - scott anderson

Every iPhone developer enters a royalty agreement with Apple. - Rob La Gesse

"Large market share" isn't the same thing as "network effect" - Ken Sheppardson

IE6 is the main reason I like doing Mobile dev better than just core web dev as you only need to target 1 main rendering engine - Webkit. Although there are some differences between iPhone, Andriod and Palm Pre. iPhone has the best implementation. - Luke Kilpatrick

Still waiting on my Ribbit Voice invite code. - Jerry Schuman

Whos the heavy breather? :) - Kenny

Jerry, use gang09 - Cliff Gerrish

thanks cliff - Jerry Schuman

Neat. Will Ribbit have VOIP? Is it free? - Vezquex: God of FF

Holy Macro, what a time I had getting here. - Matt Terenzio

So, can we use Ribbit + iPhone to equal GoogleVoice + Droid? - Cliff Gerrish

Cliff Basically. - Robert Scoble

Although I will compare those this weekend. - Robert Scoble

Ok, that breathing is creepy - Jim @TechFrog Alden

What happened, Matt? Your FF browser crash? :) - Rob La Gesse

Hm... that code just gets me an "account reserved".... - Ken Sheppardson

Hey Kevin, give the live web audience a ribbit code... - Cliff Gerrish

ribbit code for gillmor gang listeners is "gang09" sign up at ribbit.com - Kevin Marks

Had to reboot everything was moving slowwww - Matt Terenzio

Kevin: But that just gets you a "Ribbit Account Reserved" email? - Ken Sheppardson

sweet, thanks Kevin Marks. - Vezquex: God of FF

Should kids have a google voice number? With parents controlling the switchboard? - Cliff Gerrish

the accounts will go out over the next few days Ken - Kevin Marks

Cool. Thanks, Kevin. - Ken Sheppardson

LOL - Kenny

looking forward to trying ribbit.... - Karoli

On the net - Apple could fade like AOL, The Apple Tablet will make Iphone, android Apps quite secondary. Phone will have a much smaller earprint. - Arnie Klaus

double dare someone to call Scoble. - Vezquex: God of FF

OK, everyone -- call Robert! - Cliff Gerrish

what was that numnber?? - Kenny

I will admit - I called Robert once, trying to find him at a meet-up in Half Moon Bay. It came in handy. - Mike Doeff

Doh, crunchpad!?!? - Kenny

i want a crunchpad, she whined. - Karoli

So it should be out soon?? - Kenny

will the crunchpad run Android? - scott anderson

...or Chrome OS - Ken Sheppardson

no contact points, composite enclosed, for kids and up - Arnie Klaus

Chrome w/ Android plug-ins - scott anderson

+1-425-205-1921 - Robert Scoble

Get it out before Christmas Mike. - Mike Doeff

I'm amazed you don't get a ton of prank calls - Kenny

+1-707-WEB-LIVE - Matt Terenzio

Kenny: I have your phone number if you call me. - Robert Scoble

More QVC... :-) - Ken Sheppardson

I've never called but if I need a tech opinion I might hit you up - Kenny

tablets will replace kiosks not personal devices - scott anderson

One handed computing - easy to misinterpret that one - Mike Doeff

haha, one-handed computing. - Vezquex: God of FF

books, text books, movies, homework... - Arnie Klaus

solar - Arnie Klaus

maps, cookbooks, phonebooks... - Ken Sheppardson

I think Apple bought major textbook rights. - Arnie Klaus

On train to NYC yesterday NewBiz News conference there were 8 newspapers 1 kindle and two iphones in my car. I was using iphone - Matt Terenzio

doorbell on TV! I like this guy. - Vezquex: God of FF

Mostly Wall Street Journals - Matt Terenzio

Tuck that phone into my ear, on with the tablet - Arnie Klaus

My comcast phone shows up on my tv. Really like it. - Cliff Gerrish

my doorbell has it's own Gmail address - you can email to ring it. And no - will NOT give that number out :) - Rob La Gesse

Remember when we all had to carry backpacks in school? - Arnie Klaus

Wasn't Bluetooth supposed to handle all this? - Ken Sheppardson

My backpack is in the cloud now... - Cliff Gerrish

Alright guys, I gotta go. Keep up the good debate! - Kenny

I need to go look at how Activitystrea.ms handle location and proximity... - Ken Sheppardson

Cliff, does that mean just on the internet or do you mean virtual hosting as in AWS or Rackspace etc - Matt Terenzio

will iPhone apps run on all these different types of devices? does Apple have the resources to make that happen? - scott anderson

Bump is on the Android as well - Kenny

I just want seamless handoff between my cell phone and desk phone - Ken Sheppardson

Matt, all sorts of cloudish locations.. - Cliff Gerrish

I ask because someone used cloud at work today and I'm pretty sure they meant just on a server. I didn't ask. - Matt Terenzio

We don't really have an identity concept (or agency) that works with this node linking idea. - Cliff Gerrish

Of course, my office isn't exactly Cliff level - Matt Terenzio

It's a different level in the protocol stack, Robert - Ken Sheppardson

tweetdeck with touch - Arnie Klaus

i love my Kindle. LOVE IT. - Karoli

I'm getting a Nook. Dumb name - nice device. - Rob La Gesse

the techies are gonna be so harsh on the crunchpad - Marc Delurgio

I love getting instant books. I love sending PDFs over for reading later. I love getting The Nation automatically. - Karoli

Rob, I'm thinking of getting a Nook for my daughter...to compare. - Karoli

Books will go down fast in the coming months - Matt Terenzio

Kindel is bridge technology to the post script generation....Iʻve read many more books through audio. - Arnie Klaus

As soon as a standard format emerges, it's over - Matt Terenzio

The Nook looks cool but I'm waiting for the Apple Tablet. - Robert Scoble

the Nook runs on Android - scott anderson

Virtual roundtable time... any thoughts on spdy protocol announcement? - Alberto Saavedra

Scoble - yes - assuming it has a bright-light readable screen. I doubt it. - Rob La Gesse

scott, that's one of the reasons I want the Nook. (for my daughter, of course...LOL) I want to try an Android device. - Karoli

I wish, the textbooks comes on ebook usable format instead of watered down version. - ashish

ashish, agree. textbooks should be ebook, full version. - Karoli

Using the term "open" to mean seven different things at the same time can be a problem... - Ken Sheppardson

@ken - glad you opened that line of thought - Rob La Gesse

Ken: agreed. - Robert Scoble

imagine if our phones ran on closed networks - scott anderson

It's really just a question of whether any node can listen and talk over the network. - Cliff Gerrish

How do we define variable communities? - Arnie Klaus

Scott: they would be like IM was for years. - Robert Scoble

Scott: They do. Call Sprint and ask them if you can use your iPhone on the "open" phone network. Or the device you slapped together from parts you got at Fry's - Ken Sheppardson

good comment Robert (there's your break) - scott anderson

Good show, Steve. Thanks to all. - Karoli

thanks, all! - Rob La Gesse

Great show, thanks. - Mike Doeff

laters - Vezquex: God of FF

Will the textbook publishers allow that to happen without lowering profits? I hope they realize that new form interactive ebooks can create more market opportunities. - ashish

another great show Steve. Your production keeps getting better. - Paul E. Ester