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Why isn't there a wifi chip in every [high end]] appliance? Refrigerators, stoves, cooktops, microwaves, dishwashers, coffee makers, washers, and dryers should all have wifi or bluetooth chips along with simple APIs for controlling them and getting status.
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I had a similar thought many years ago about why all appliances don't have built-in atomic clocks. Of course, if they had internet now, they wouldn't necessarily need the clock receiver.
- LogEx
Because they are like $25 a pop. There's also the configuration issue of how to configure a small cheap device with connection info like passwords, etc. For devices without wall socket power there's also serious power issues. I'm encountering this issue with something I'm working on.
- Todd Hoff
Todd, I'm assuming AC powered appliances. I'm also thinking about appliances that cost thousands of dollars, so putting an extra $25 part in shouldn't be an issue. The configuration problem is interesting, but I'm sure it could be solved with some kind of discovery mode. Either that or just use bluetooth.
- Cristo
Bluetooth is unfortunately expensive also. With wifi I'm assuming it goes through a wireless router out to the internet, not sure how bluetooth would work. And I'm not aware of a discovery mode because you would want security which requires selecting a security type, protocol, and password. But if it's in an expensive appliance then they'll have a display so it's more doable. We could...
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- Todd Hoff
Although going out to the Internet is cool, I think most of the usage would be on the LAN. I don't actually care if it's wifi, bluetooth, zigbee, or z-wave. I just want to control and monitor these expensive home appliances through web interfaces and apps on the computer, as well as remote controls and touch screens. I repeat, I don't think cost is the issue here, I think it's the mindset of the manufacturers and consumers that needs to change. I believe it will change, I just don't know when.
- Cristo
I view the control plane being more in the cloud than local, so internet connectivity is important.
- Todd Hoff
Todd, why is having your home control in the cloud critical? I want control to be primarily in my local server closet, with the option of reaching it from outside in a secure way. I don't want everything to stop working because the cable company pulls the plug on my Internet access for 3 days.
- Cristo
Once they're cheap enough to embed without significantly altering the price they will be in everything.
- Tad
I don't want a local server closet that I have to maintain and upgrade and fix. I've been working hard to get rid of servers. As a producer I also don't want to make a native app or deal with software upgrades and every customer's hardware problems. That kills profitability. It could be accessible over the cell network so you always have two connection paths (more expensive).
- Todd Hoff
Todd, that might work for some people, but it's definitely not what I'm trying to do personally. I want all the control in my hands, and I want to go out to Best Buy or order something online and install it into my media closet. Having to rely on a cloud-based 3rd party would be hellish to me.
- Cristo
The cell network would be great data and command path for devices, but they are like $10 a month so it's not generally practicable. I would imagine a tethered phone could be used as a router in emergencies, but I'm not sure how that work yet.
- Todd Hoff
Dealing with incompatible device after incompatible device is hellish for me. So each to their own I guess.
- Todd Hoff
Well, I've got a blu ray player, 2 TiVos, 2 Apple TVs, a Mac Mini, an Xbox 360 and a Wii hooked up in my media closet as source devices. I think it will be a while before we see all that functionality in the cloud.
- Cristo
My refrigerator is automatic. I don't control it. Cooking requires precision control. I'm not in another room, I'm right there right now. Dishwashers are more or less automatic, as are washers and dryers. I'm having a really hard time imagining what you're remote controlling in any of these devices.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Jason, ah use cases. I love it. 1) I want to push a button from upstairs to make a cup of espresso downstairs in the kitchen. It only saves a minute, but it makes me happy. 2) I also want the underfloor heating to turn on and be warm when I walk down to get my coffee. 3) I want all the clocks on appliances synced so I don't have to set them. They need to change properly for daylight saving, and when the power is cycled.
- Cristo
4) The dishwasher, washer and dryer should all be able to notify me on my computer screen that they are done. Ideally there is a countdown display of when they will be done.
- Cristo
5) The oven should also be able to tell me when the correct temperature has been researched, should have a camera inside it, control/monitor timer info, and change modes (e.g. convection vs conventional oven)
- Cristo
6) The wine fridge should have inventory control.
- Cristo
7) The cooktop should allow me to monitor whether water has reached boiling and other long-term events. In addition, I should be able to see if it's on when I'm not home (and turn it off in case we left it on accidentally).
- Cristo
I think you're going to need some robotic control to put the food in and out of the oven, the laundry in and out of the washer & dryer, etc. You could just put cameras in these rooms and see when things are done.
- LogEx
LogEx, our washer & dryer is in our downstairs bathroom. I don't think a camera in there would be appealing to most people. :) I'm definitely interested in robots though.
- Cristo
Of course, one of the dangers of doing something cool and trying to automate everything is you'll always have people who are assuming you are just lazy and should get off your fat ass and do it manually. Of course, the same could be said for using written mail instead of email, or a sliderule instead of a computer.
- Cristo
1) I'm a little more old school with my espresso. I actually want a less automatic machine so that I can get more crema. 2) that's interesting. I would have assumed a thermostat would be sufficient, but I guess this is more related to actual usage than constant temperature. I like it. 3) The clock thing is good, I agree 4) notification, nice. good idea. 5) more notification, cool. 6)...
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- Jason Wehmhoener
Also, I think Bluetooth is probably a better idea than WIFI. If you need to go to the cloud, that should be handled by your home server, not each device. My firewall has enough problems without adding 72 more internal ip addresses.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Jason, you may be right about wifi not being the best solution. Have you heard of Zigbee or Z-wave?
- Cristo
This reminds me of Will Smiths rant in I,Robot.....
- Roberto Bonini
Yeah, zigbee is seriously cool. when you mentioned it before i commented with a couple zigbee hacking links. I haven't heard of z-wave.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Roberto, can you refresh our memories. I don't want to subject myself to watching that again.
- Cristo
The problem with zigbee is it is a seperate expensive network
- Todd Hoff
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Because people don't want to pay $10 more for a web enabled coffee maker.
- Alex Scoble
Alex, yeah because then my espresso machine would cost $5010.
- Cristo
Todd, Crestron sells systems that cost more than $50,000. Price is relative, and in the home automation market just being able to do something at any price is often difficult.
- Cristo
The bit where he's talking about his toaster having feelings.....
- Roberto Bonini
Chris, you need to start thinking like a marketing guy who has to get the most sales for the lowest cost and not like Chris "I want to do cool things with my house" White. Companies don't make stuff for you. They don't make stuff for you, because you aren't the lowest common denominator and are not low maintenance. Any company that marketed directly to you would most likely go out of business in less than a year.
- Alex Scoble
Alex, I'm not posting on friendfeed to share my marketing ideas.
- Cristo
You asked a marketing question, it's not a design one.
- Alex Scoble
My mistake was asking a question that Alex Scoble would respond to. Apparently his being on his honeymoon doesn't keep him off friendfeed. :)
- Cristo
#scobleapprovedconversation
- Jeremy (on vacation)
Your mistake was thinking like an engineer when asking a marketing question.
- Alex Scoble
Instead of asking why not, you should have wrote "I wish that every appliance had a wifi chip"
- Alex Scoble
And being on holiday doesn't mellow Alex one bit :)
- Roberto Bonini
Hehe, Roberto...this is true. :)
- Alex Scoble
I guarantee that if there is a market for Crestron and Control4 control systems, as well as Miele and Subzero class appliances, than there is a market for putting network and control capability into those same high-end appliances.
- Cristo
Yes sure, you can pay Crestron big money to do it.
- Alex Scoble
It isn't however, in the business interest of most small appliance makers to add cost to their wares that consumers won't currently pay for.
- Alex Scoble
I don't care about most appliance makers, I only care about the high-end ones that I want to use. It's minimal cost for them compared to the overall price.
- Cristo
Again, that's not the question you asked. Which is why you got the answer you got that you didn't like.
- Alex Scoble
Alex, so are you an expert on high-end appliances now? You've fully researched that market?
- Cristo
You are succeeding in arguing for the sake of arguing, but failing to provide useful insight.
- Cristo
You didn't ask a question about high end appliances. Which is why your conversation has failed. Please re-ask your question in a new thread and try again. You won't get the desired result in this thread.
- Alex Scoble
Read my previous comment.
- Cristo
I added [high end] to the original question so that Alex can now provide an answer. He had a literal block and was unable to process any further. Damn low-powered out-of-date language processors.
- Cristo
Answer is still basically the same. Because not enough people want the additional complexity of a wifi enabled device. If I buy a high end stove, I just want it to work. I don't want to have to worry that some engineer put in a bug in the wifi software that will shut down my stove at an inappropriate time. Not everything needs to be so complex that you can monitor it from a central location.
- Alex Scoble
And Todd Hoff already gave you many other answers like security concerns. Not to mention the impact of that many wireless devices in the home would have on your main computer's connection or the humans living in the house. Oh and some devices like microwaves would be nigh impossible with current frequencies to do wifi since they significantly degrade signal strength when in use.
- Alex Scoble
I see. So it's okay that our military uses network technology for mission critical operations, but we're afraid of bugs in our stove software? Also, I use my laptop right next to my microwave while it's on with no disturbance at all. And the network load for these appliances would be ridiculously low, so I'm not sure what you're talking about in terms of affecting other computers.
- Cristo
You mean the military that used unencrypted links for control of UAVs? Very poor example.
- Alex Scoble
It's not about network load, it's about the amount of channels and frequencies available. If you get that many devices on a current wifi network at the same time, the network will fail.
- Alex Scoble
Alex, no it won't. Have you been to a coffee shop lately? How many appliances do you think I'm talking about? I'm guessing less than ten for me. I have that many wireless devices already in the house.
- Cristo
And no, I wasn't talking about the UAVs. I was speaking in general of technology and communication. I trust there are engineers that can build embedded software that won't meltdown. There are already computer chips in these high-end appliances, so your scenario could happen already.
- Cristo
My scenario is greatly exacerbated by devices that can be controlled remotely. I wouldn't trust consumer electronics companies to build proper security in to their devices. So yeah, have fun with any teenager with half a brain getting control of your house and making stuff unusable. I'll stick with regular appliances that just work.
- Alex Scoble
Alex, you might want to stop using a cell phone too then.
- Cristo
Sorry, but the security for cell phones is pretty good, particularly when you are using a Blackberry and their servers where email and stuff is sent encrypted.
- Alex Scoble
What kind of companies build cell phones, Alex? Would you describe them as "consumer electronics companies"?
- Cristo
Cell phone companies.
- Alex Scoble
Alex, ever been to CES? You should go one year and argue with a bunch of people. :)
- Cristo
Definitely a case of "hey, let's argue for argument's sake"
- Chieze Okoye
No, I don't bother with trade shows for the most part. Although it would be nice to go one year just to listen to a bunch of loudspeakers.
- Alex Scoble
Chieze, it certainly wasn't my original intent.
- Cristo
I know, I read through the whole thing (and actually I agree with the thrust of what you're saying). More wireless standards options for home automation is a Good Thing (TM).
- Chieze Okoye
Alex I'm not really concerned about security and bandwidth, the former can be addressed and the latter is sufficient for request/response communication, if there's a lot of streaming going on that's a different story. A large component of modern cars is software and embedded systems, the same will be true for appliances as well. Cristo's 50K home automation system isn't realistic though. I just want systems I can talk to using http like any other device without exploding the BOM cost. We aren't there yet.
- Todd Hoff
Todd, where did the 50K number come from? If there are 10 appliances with $25 wireless radios in them, even with a 4x markup, it's still only $1000. What's the other $49K for? I'm not suggesting flushing money down the Crestron toilet.
- Cristo
"Crestron sells systems that cost more than $50,000"
- Todd Hoff
Todd, yes I know I wrote that. It doesn't mean I was advocating it, but just providing perspective on how much home automation costs these days. $25 isn't much in that world or even 5x less.
- Cristo
You are describing a near-future state of affairs.
- Christopher A Carr
It would seem so but I'm not so sure. As Alex mentioned it will take a while for vendors to jump on the bandwagon because as an industry they aren't innovators. Then there's expense, power, configuration. Ideally a system doesn't need expensive gateways and adapters like zigbee, yet you should be able to just drop a device into a network and have it work. I don't see this in the near future.
- Todd Hoff
There's nothing inherently expensive about Zigbee, other than it doesn't currently have economy of scale. I think we're talking about different classes of appliances. The average appliance I'm talking about is about $1500. I would easily pay $250 more for a network-enabled device if it had the right API.
- Cristo
Zigbee chipsets are not that expensive, the infrastructure to distribute zigbee throughout your house is expensive and it takes installation and configuration. The new low power bluetooth standard should help here, but I don't think these can bond to an IP router.
- Todd Hoff
Nothing a network bridge can't fix. Just use a Mac Mini as a home automation server. You can hook RS-232 boxes up to it via USB. Almost all of this stuff supports RS-232
- Cristo
Home automation servers are so last decade :-)
- Todd Hoff
Todd, I disagree. They haven't even been explored yet.
- Cristo
Personally, I can't wait for my fridge to start spamming me on twitter. Or for my vacuum cleaner to follow me on Facebook. Technology!
- Chris Baskind
Luckily nothing about home automation requires social networking to operate. :)
- Cristo
In the not-too-distant-future, I see people going out and buying whole-home media & automation servers for their home just like they buy water heaters and furnaces. Builders will plan for these, and there will be rack mounted modular solutions. They'll work without Internet & be battery backed. I plan on getting one installed in my bunker in Montana for when all the shit hits the fan. ;)
- Cristo
When the shit hits I hope you can make hand puppets because that's all the media you'll be consuming :-)
- Todd Hoff
"hey haven't even been explored yet" - we've had them for a while and the next step after them is pretty obvious so we should just skip that step.
- Todd Hoff
Maybe you've had them. Most people haven't and I'm enjoying the beginnings of mine. I've also had service outages in the last couple of months and have no desire to turn over all control to evil/incompetent companies in the cloud.
- Cristo
Most of the crap I've seen is kludged. The advantages of a well designed system are fun to imagine, but I haven't seen a lot of evidence of actual implementations of such a system. Which, from my perspective, is all the more reason to think about it and pursue it. I think a big leap would be figuring out how to make it EASY for people/builders/contractors to set up.
- Jason Wehmhoener
I can imagine something that would be a combination media server, HDMI matrix switch, and controller for many devices. Support would include Z-wave, Zigbee, Lutron,RS-232, and powerline control. Maybe WiFi and Bluetooth if it makes sense. Total solution should be around 10K not including sources, displays, receivers and appliances. All the software would be open source, maybe leveraging Android. Small systems for apartments could cost much less.
- Cristo
And Todd, as long as generators can work, you can still watch plenty of stored media and control your appliances with a home server even if the shit hits the fan. If it's nuclear holocaust, then it doesn't much matter anyway. The cloud-based solution could easily be dead-in-the-water though. Trusting the cloud is like trusting Comcast or AT&T, which is how most people get cloud-based services. Let's see how well that stuff works when the next big earthquake hits the bay area.
- Cristo
Pretty interesting Zigbee article: http://www.cepro.com/article... and some Zigbee Appliances http://blogs.pcworld.com/staffbl... http://www.zigbee.org/Product...
- Jason Wehmhoener
There are zero config methods for wifi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Todd Hoff
Todd, Sonos uses a modified 802.11 protocol. The limitation is in the standard, not the technology. Any Sonos device can be added to the system by a pressing a button on the Sonos player. You can win the argument technically, but you can't argue that what I'm proposing isn't viable. Certainly it doesn't suggest a cloud-only solution.
- Cristo
Look for many easy cheap WiFi internet appliance announcements at #CES Jan 7-10 in Las Vegas
- Reese Jones
Reese, just like every year?
- Cristo
Yes Cristo #WiFi to internet modules cheaper, easier, lower power and better than before; including (of course) monitoring and control via phones
- Reese Jones
Reese, so all Miele, Viking, Subzero, and Bosche appliances will roll out next year with home automation wireless control built in? I'm looking forward to that.
- Cristo
We can await many companies making their own announcements, in their own way, just like every year...
- Reese Jones
Reese, aren't you worried that you're going out on a scary limb? :)
- Cristo
Kind of old, but there was supposed to be stuff already by now. That was the whole idea behind UPnP, which Microsoft started adding to their OS's starting with WinME, in anticipation of all the smart appliances that were supposed to soon become popular. http://architecture.mit.edu/house_n...
- April Russo (app103)
If the goal is better integration with existing IP networks, running IPv6 over IEEE 802.15.4, i.e. 6LoWPAN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...) is much better approach than ZigBee. Both TinyOS and Contiki (two popular open source operating systems for these kind of networks) already provide TCP/UDP stacks that operate on top of 6lowpan.
- Vlado Handziski
April, you can run UPnP on top of a lot of these transports. I don't think it specifies a wireless protocol, but is instead an XML discovery and communication system. I've done a fair amount of UPnP programming for Sonos, and it seems overly verbose and cumbersome, but I'd gladly use it if it were widely adopted for appliances.
- Cristo
Vlado, I actually don't care that much what they agree on for a wireless technology as long as they agree on something and implement it soon. It's not a requirement for my needs for these devices to talk directly to the Internet without a bridge. I'm really looking just to make things work at all.
- Cristo
As someone who has built some wifi gadgets for the consumer marketplace, I can tell you security and connectivity is a fricking nightmare when you get down to your average WalMart user. I have actually had to field the calls from some of the buyers asking about how to connect things to networks they don't have and security protocols they haven't a clue about. It's really so frustrating...
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- Andrew Leyden
I gave up on jumping back into Joe's Avatar thread (http://friendfeed.com/pierce...), but there was a point in the middle that never really got picked up on: Avatar as art film. I wish Avatar were an art film, but it isn't - there's too MUCH plot for that. Also, the art film version of the story has already been done to perfection: Malick's The New World.
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Not saying that The New World and Avatar have the same exact story - clearly they don't. But The New World takes the invader/native premise with an ecofriendly bent and makes a film built of rhythm and poetry that seems to be what Avatar reaches for in many of the Pandora scenes, but Avatar always pulls back into its conventional action plot.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
>.< You always bring up movies I need to see. You won't be happy until I have no free time left at all! I also gave up on my thread, and though I haven't seen The New World, I'll agree that Avatar put too much into the the plot to qualify as an art piece. They also never billed it as such.
- Joe Pierce
Yeah, but some people keep pointing out how pretty it is, and that its prettiness should quality it as an art film. That's not how it works. I'd claim art film status for Speed Racer over Avatar. Avatar has too much plot for an art film (or, cares about its plot too much), and too conventional a plot for a great sci-fi film. Sorry, it's a glossy, pretty Hollywood blockbuster with marginally better pacing/in-betweens than most, and that's it.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
I thought this io9 review was pretty interesting (regarding the plot) http://io9.com/5422666...
- Jason Wehmhoener
Actually, I was the one who made the statement about the movie being art. I did not state "art film" as that was not what I meant. I meant that you could hang the movie on your wall on repeat without sound and it would almost always be a beautiful work of art on your wall. It is amazing CG art and that is what I meant. Not art film. :)
- EricaJoy
Ah, okay, Erica. Thanks for the clarification. I misread the comment. So, you're basically saying it's like 300 - gorgeous looking, every shot worth of being framed, but without a lot of substance. I can buy that. I wish they'd actually gone that direction with Avatar in a committed way, and eschewed with the majority of the narrative.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Ditto, hence my wish that this were actually a silent film. I would have been fine to sit and watch the pretty pictures for 2.5 hours. :D
- EricaJoy
Jason, thanks for the link. I'd heard about that review, but hadn't read it yet. I hadn't thought about the implications of Jake becoming the leader of the Na'vi, but that's an interesting line of thought.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Sometimes I forget that I'm an early adopter. Cliqset is interesting but I'm not sure that it's 'FriendFeed done right' as Mashable claims. If nothing else, it's sluggish like FriendFeed on a bad day.
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Twitter Is DEAD, Facebook Has Won at JohnnyWorthington.com - http://www.johnnyworthington.com/...
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"Did a quick informal poll of my friends on Facebook tonight. I went through some the people I have meet in the flesh (about 70 of them) and only 14 had Twitter accounts. Most of the ‘normal’ people I know have knowledge of Twitter, but don’t use it or do not intend to. They want a deep social space with pictures, fun and popular culture. They don’t want to know someone has posted new photos, they want to see them. They go on Facebook as an activity, not use a tool. So, in my small sphere of if the world, Twitter is dead. Facebook has won. But Johnny, look at these stats and you don’t know what… BLAH BLAH BLAH… From what I have learnt, being a social media expert allows for lapses of logic and fact. My space may be a bath tub in a sea of fact, but why look over the sides when my the water inside my walls feels fine. I also plan to frequently tweet how dead Twitter is, just to stab the wound and convince myself I wasn’t wrong about joining Twitter back in January 2007 and banking my reputation on it. Twitter broke my heart, so the bitch must pay."
- Johnny Worthington
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Johnny, you weren't wrong. Twitter has become a protocol. It's eternal http://twitter.com/davewin...
- Mark Essel
Me using the twitter api to "tweet" to my tumblr: http://messel.tumblr.com/post...
- Mark Essel
I never use it so it might as well be dead to me
- VAL D. Zone
I disagree with this. While the vast majority of people I know are on Facebook rather than Twitter, the majority also really don't use either tool. More use Facebook, sure, but only 10% of my Facebook friends use it on a regular basis. I think "normal" people haven't really been won over by Facebook but rather don't truly use any tool.
- Brandon Titus
But Johnny, look at these stats...
- Ken Sheppardson
Wait there's more... me tweeting to my wordpress account using the immortal twitter API/protocol http://imaginationsend.wordpress.com/2009...
- Mark Essel
Twitter isn't dead until blogging is dead. Ain't. Gonna. Happen :D
- Mark Essel
btw, how many of your friends blog? Out of my personal social circle, it's just me.
- Mark Essel
Yep. Facebook killed blogging too.
- Ken Sheppardson
Awesome post, Johnny!
- Adrian Scicluna
Thank you
- Johnny Worthington
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A certain friend of mine likes to joke that Obama will give us all ice cream and puppies. Well, I have yet to receive mine (snickerdoodle flavour from Bluebird and a beagle, please) but apparently Washington is getting COASTAL RADAR!
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I once listened to my old atmospheric sciences professor complain about lack of same for an entire quarter!!!! Also, maybe someday we will actually be able to predict the weather out here! YAY!
- joey
at first i was confussed thinking washington = dc, and why would they'd need coastal radar (are we being replaced, in other words), but then my mind remember the west coast version of washington, ;) o', and about friggn time, what dark ages are you just leaving, :o
- chaz2b
chaz: we have lots of radar around the seattle metroplex but no radar out on the coast, which is a whole mountain range and a hundred miles from any heavily populated areas. This was especially awesome because the aforementioned mountains, the Olympics, block all inland radar from seeing anything out over the pacific ocean, creating a huge blindspot. For some reason state and federal...
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- veo
thank you veo, i'm just a hurricane fan, :( but i also thought that at least all US coasts would have the coastline, & at least out to international waters under radar watch, just amazes me, didnt mean to insult, i was just kidding, :(
- chaz2b
and i'll put the outer banks, nc, up to seattle weather any day for most complex weather in the nation (its not the bermuda triangle for nothing, ;)
- chaz2b
which, i'm sorry to continue, brings me back to radar. they've had bouys out to sea for for ever with radar here, again another reason why i'm astonished no radar before. and mountains actually provide a really good base for radar systems (just cause you cant see through them dont mean you cant see from them), but i'm just going on-&-on, i'm sorry, :(
- chaz2b
It'll be awhile. It won't be ready until mid-2012.
- Rochelle
I heard about that. I haD no idea you guys couldn't see what was coming from the ocean. Seems basic.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
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'A certain friend of mine'! How coy!
- Akiva Moskovitz
Hey, I was trying to protect your privacy. HEY EVERYONE IT WAS AKIVA OKAY? Like we couldn't all figure it out anyway.
- joey
Rochelle, it's funny to hear of things that are happening AFTER my wedding because I put that thing off for so long it's like time is ending haha.
- joey
Caramel-Topped Flan : Brown Eyed Baker - http://www.browneyedbaker.com/2008...
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- Derrick
Hım Sweet!
- Sinan AYHAN
We call those Creme Caramel's here
- Mo Kargas
That sounds soooo good right now. Droool...
- Adrian
Oddly enough, I have all the ingredients to make that. Hmm... may just settle for a banana milk shake. :(
- Adrian
Banana shake sucks royal compared to one of these
- Mo Kargas
Agreed, Mo, but I understand, Adrian. The banana is my go to food when I'm too lazy to move.
- Anna Haro
anna is ebil
- Caroline
And super cute awesome!
- Mo Kargas
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- Shandiz
Yeah, the time and effort to make that right now simply will not materialize. I have frozen bananas though... a little peanut butter, honey and milk, whirl it up in the food processor, and... SKAFOOOSH! Instant Banana Soft-serve for my tummy!
- Adrian
thank you, Caroline and Mo! ;-)) Adrian, even *that* is more work than I am willing to do. At this moment I'm eating a banana and peanut butter on a spoon.
- Anna Haro
Haha! Whatever works.
- Adrian
Ok I made it... no honey left so I substituted Kahlua. Yum. I haz it. :D
- Adrian
lol
- Anna Haro
ağlamak istiyorum^^
- Parfe
YESSSSS
- Carmen - Happy 2010!
işşte bunu seviyorumm
- cns bsr
Flan is one of my most favorite things ever.
- Sarah G.
oh yes please..........
- VAL D. Zone
My mostest favoritest dessert! Leche-Flan!!! ♥♥♥
- AJ Batac
i think i'm getting fat just from staring at this too much, :(
- chaz2b
I needed a good flan recipe :) this is simple enough; I believe I shall try it soon.
- Michael W. May
if soon you start to see a strange figure lurking outside, around your kitchen, dont worry, its propably me, ;)
- chaz2b
@AJ: leche flan isn't my fave, but it's up there. :)
- Cheryl Jones
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Are you taking these photos? They look like LOMO shots.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Outstanding, sir. I'm a big fan of that style and your shots look great.
- Akiva Moskovitz
New Order's Substance isn't available on iTunes but that's okay: I built my own culling tracks from all of the New Order remasters. And now I don't have to fuss with the tracks I didn't like like State of the Nation.
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Thanks, iTunes! Yer a real pal!
- Akiva Moskovitz
Ok I admit it, I do not understand the appeal of Lady Ga Ga. I don't find her look to be that interesting, and I'm not a fan of the music I've heard. I'm glad others like her, I just don't get why.
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i haven't heard any of her songs. but i wouldn't mind showering with her a couple times a week. just sayin'.
- Morgan Haley
I'd been ambivalent until I heard "Bad Romance," which for some reason I loved. Weirdly, I now like some of her other stuff better as well. No rational explanation there.
- Jennifer Dittrich
I don't get her look at all, but some of her songs are starting to grow on me.
- Penguin It's Cold Outside
Haven't heard a song but from what I've seen teh gayz like her. Just not this one.
- Derrick
I'd have to admit, some of her tunes are catchy and she does have skills. No hate from me.
- Rodfather
i hear that she's actually a good musician that paid her dues and stuff.
- Morgan Haley
ditto
- pea
I intensely dislike her music and don't get what the appeal is. That said, I'm not on a crusade or anything.
- Chieze Okoye
I don't hate her, I just don't get what the appeal is. I suppose it is just a matter of her style not fitting my taste.
- Joe Pierce
i can't stand her look and want her to wash her face and put on jeans and a t-shirt. friends love her. i don't hate her, but I do like that dumb poker face song
- Baroness Von BusinessTime
I think I like her because she is so confounding.
- WorldofHiglet
Don't like anything about her.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
she is hard for me to look at and listen to. but i get the appeal. she (and her production) is the epitome of modern pop music. 99% of the pop artists out there wish they had her hooks. i cant stand her work but i get the appeal. here, wash yourself off with this: http://www.youtube.com/watch... its hard for me to deal with the fact that this is the same person.
- Carlos Ayala
Carlos: yes, she is actually incredibly talented and not a studio-packaged cypher. More reason to like her :)
- WorldofHiglet
AIRSTRIKE HER NOW
- Mo Kargas
Mo: STAND DOWN!!
- WorldofHiglet
No way! *stuffs WoH in a sack*
- Mo Kargas
hehe - "ram"??
- WorldofHiglet
*whistles*
- Mo Kargas
oh yes - "stuff" is much better.....
- WorldofHiglet
Of course, while you were busy covering your tracks I've disabled your guidance system. The missiles are now offline.
- WorldofHiglet
I'm sure you like being stuffed in a sack.
- Mo Kargas
TWSS
- WorldofHiglet
Madonna and Marilyn Manson's love child. That's how I like to think of her. Although, I should really give Marilyn Manson more respect than that.
- Josh Haley
@Josh Yes you should
- Mo Kargas
I have somehow managed to avoid her music (why yes, I do live under a rock), but I saw a clip of her interview on Ellen and she was kind of sweet, actually. Said she felt like a freak in High School. Maybe all artists say that.
- Laura Norvig
from iPod
i have remained blissfully unaware of all this.
- Joe Silence disconnected
Josh, I'd actually much rather sit through an entire Ga Ga concert than just one Marilyn Manson song. I'm on the edge with Madonna...ever since she massacred that Bond theme.
- Joe Pierce
Ditto
- Hutch Carpenter
Nah, Marilyn's got some skills. He just takes the avant-garde approach to showmanship to ridiculous levels. He's actually a very smart and down to earth guy from what I know. As far as music, I liked his tunes from the Matrix, at least.
- Josh Haley
intelligent I may go with, down to Earth, not in the interviews and appearances I've seen. Especially on Loveline where he gave out advice that could be considered damaging. Manson is one of the very few "entertainers" in the world who if I met them I would have to try very hard not to punch in the face.
- Joe Pierce
Yeah, it's not even good electronic.
- Alex Scoble
I harbor the same confusion. I think she's probably a sweetheart whose friends propelled her to stardom.
- PurpleZoe
I'm with ya, Joe. I enjoy some pop so I think some of her songs are ok but I also don't have a thing for her in general. I'm all about artistic expression but something about her style comes off desperate to me for some reason. No hate though... she can go on and do her thang. I'm happy for her that she has so many obsessed fans. Just not exactly my cup of tea.
- Carmen - Happy 2010!
COME CLOSER AND PET ME
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KILL IT WITH FIRE.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
OMG! Hahahahahaha!
- Penny
yikes!
- BeeLing
FIRE PHOTON TORPEDOS!
- Joe Silence disconnected
I saw that misspelling, Joe. *revokes geek card*
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
you hallucinated, all i did was add the word "FIRE". :P
- Joe Silence disconnected
CATSHARK SAW NOTHING
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN
- Chieze Okoye
Does it eat hand grenades?
- Jeunelle Foster
And poops lasers!
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Where's a SCUBA tank and rifle when you need one?
- Give 'Em DBizness
apparently Haggis = catshark
- Joe Silence disconnected
Jeebus! Don't scare me like that. Wonder what weirdness I'll dream tonight.
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
Yeah that is scary.
- Give 'Em DBizness
lights!
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Crazy! Where did you take this Adrian?
- Joe
Wow! This is incredible.
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
You will probably block me, unsub me, or unfriend me, but I've got to say this.
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I'm Dick Whitman
- Christopher Harley
This is a man.
- LogEx
And I'm still------>
- Christopher Harley
THIS IS A MAN
- Andrizzle Gizzle
This is the right man.
- Adrian
Wow! I had suspicions.
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
Monday I finished a "Mad Men" Marathon.
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39 episodes, start to finish, between 11/25 & 11/30. I waited and I'm glad I did. Got questions? I got answers. Or at least I have opinions.
- Christopher Harley
Yay! I just finished it last week... took a few weeks though.
- Adrian
Yeah, my brain is muddled. Here's creator Matthew Weiner on The Treatment with Elvis Mitchell. http://www.kcrw.com/etc... Good stuff!
- Christopher Harley
Hmm... won't load for some reason. Keeps spinning...
- Adrian
Never mind, just downloaded the MP3
- Adrian
I only support the death penalty for web developers who cause the Back button to be disabled
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or disables cut and paste.
- CW™
CW, for that I prefer chopping off both arms, so they literally can't cut and paste.
- Cristo
This is one of the reasons for Firefox addons
- Itachi
what about trolls and spammers? can we add them to the list?
- Morgan Haley
...I agree with the sentiment, but sometimes, the developers are getting their "orders" from marketing or other non-tech folks, often senior, and those people are telling them, "what can we do to keep people on our site? we have to get pageviews/clicks/hits up..." and a naive developer will say, "well, I could disable the BACK button, but it's not good usability." and then the CMO will say, "I don't care, do it."
- .LAG liked that
I will allow anyone in the chain of command that is responsible for this behavior to be punished equally. :)
- Cristo
Trolls are the reason the internet is alive
- Itachi
I thought porn is the reason the internet is alive?
- CW™
We already know the "I was only following orders" defense doesn't really fly, though. :D
- Victor Ganata
There is no punishment for trolls, as this is a subjective label.
- Cristo
@CW: That too.
- Itachi
tru dat!
- Loc
what about troll porn?
- Morgan Haley
Morgan, Rule 34
- CW™
You know what, if the damn TV commercials are going to start blasting Christmas stuff at me already then I'm just going to set up the Festivus pole right the eff now!
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grinch
- pea
"...for the restivus."
- Mike Cavaliere
Your holiday isn't better than my holiday Pea! *marks down something for the airing of the grievances*
- Joe Pierce
How bout blaring the Xmas music in supermarkets already - gotta love that right? :(
- Patrick Jordan
Tell me you're going to Ustream the Feats of Strength!
- Spidra Webster
There are 2 good Christmas songs, one of them is "James Penguin" by Brad Paisley, or the Trans Siberian Orchestra medley (I think it is actually two tracks meshed into one).
- Joe Pierce
Mine has presents. How is that not better?
- pea
ustreaming the feats of strength would cause a rift in the time-awesome continuum and we'd all be zapped into and out of existence. Pea, yours also has a breaking and entering cookie thief. The fact that he drops a few parcels during his escape doesn't make up for that.
- Joe Pierce
plus if you remember I have unfinished business with the fat man http://ff.im/7Fwat
- Joe Pierce
Yes please and take lot's of photos. I know you look good in a g-string
- Jeunelle Foster
Don't be silly, Joe. Santa Claus is a lie. Everyone knows that.
- pea
Fighting in a g-string sounds a little bit dangerous to me. My family fights dirty, chain mail would be a safer bet. Pea, The greatest trick that Santa ever pulled was convincing the world that he doesn't exist.
- Joe Pierce
You have an answer for everything don't you? You win this round. I'm too tired to keep up.
- pea
time for feats of strength!
- Morgan Haley
i wanna see Pea and Joe fight each other in g-strings
- Morgan Haley
uhm, yeah, no. :)
- pea
anyone wanting to see Joe do anything in a g-string might do good to seek therapy It wouldn't be fun or funny...just kind of sad, and a little sinister.
- Joe Pierce
Oh come on you party poop. Where's your Christmas spirit for God's sakes :)
- Jeunelle Foster
Aaron Sorkin returning to television - http://www.tvsquad.com/2009...
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'Over at TV Guide magazine, Sorkin says that his next show will once again (like Studio 60 and Sports Night) be set in the world of television, a behind-the-scenes look at...something. He doesn't say what the show will be, but when Studio 60 ended there was talk that he would do a show set at a fictional cable news channel.'
- Akiva Moskovitz
from Bookmarklet
Woohoo!
- Ayşe E.
His "behind the scenes" shows don't seem to do too well. Maybe he should think about going in front of the scenes for a change?
- Noah Belson
A porn based show with people talking 200mph coming in and out of 15 doors in 20 seconds peppered with more culture and academic references than a Dennis Miller/Gilmore Girl orgy starring Bradley Whitford? *shudder*
- Matthew DeVries
Noah, technically West Wing was also a 'behind the scenes' show and it did all right. And Sports Night was fantastic (at least when it was broadcast without the laugh track).
- Akiva Moskovitz
I just have this strange feeling that Mr. Sorkin overestimates the public's desire to know what's going on behind the scenes of television shows. He's 0 for 2 now, it's possible he should just find another subject matter and move on.
- Noah Belson
Well, they seem to want to see it, but it looks like they prefer the 30 Rock version to the Studio 60 version. I've always thought it was interesting we saw those shows premiere at the same time. Maybe Sorkin could cash in on the whole Law & Order / CSI procedural thing, ala "A Few Good Men", but he might have missed the boat on that.
- Ken Sheppardson
The primary problem with Studio 60 (and this is coming from someone who liked it for the most part) is that Sorkin was simply writing Studio 60 episodes as if they were West Wing episodes: steeped in the same sense of importance that may float when they're dealing with national security in the White House and not so much when it's an SNL-style show. Should his next effort borrow pages...
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- Akiva Moskovitz
I really feel that most people don't care about how TV & movies are made. Just because you love the product, doesn't mean you care where it comes from. I love steak, but I'm not really interested in going to a slaughterhouse, etc. 30 Rock may be an exception, but then again, 30 Rock isn't a ratings powerhouse. It's a media darling (and a damn funny show) but it's never even made it into the top 50, in terms of weekly ratings. To me, this kind of indicates where most people stand on TV shows about TV shows.
- Noah Belson
Very true, Spidra. I guess I should clarify and say that Mr. Sorkin should focus on behind the scenes shows that aren't about television or movies. They're just never that fun to watch and in a way they tend to shine a light on something that's just a lot more fun when you can't see every lever and pulley fully exposed.
- Noah Belson
Yeah, I was sorta kidding about 30 Rock. I don't think people watch 30 Rock for a "behind the scenes" look at how a TV show works any more than they watch The Office for a "behind the scenes" look at how the retail paper industry works. IMHO Studio 60 just failed 'cause folks weren't interested in watching Josh Lyman play a TV exec, and couldn't care any less about the rest of the characters.
- Ken Sheppardson
I think Akiva's spot on (& not just because Sports Night is one of my favorite shows of all time).
- josh neff, geek at large
Well joke or not, 30 Rock IS technically about a television show and I wonder if that works against it somehow. What's sad is that it's 10 million times funnier than all the comedy shows in the top 10. In a perfect world, 30 Rock would be outperforming something like "Two and a Half Men." And in a REALLY perfect world, "Two and a Half Men" wouldn't even exist.
- Noah Belson
The primary difference between 30 Rock and Studio 60 is that latter was a show putting on a show whereas former just HAPPENS to take place behinds the scenes at a show. Notice that 30 Rock rarely shows anything that has anything to do with the actual production of TGS whereas Studio 60 spent the majority of its time focused on making the show.
- Akiva Moskovitz
And as for Noah's last comment, the difference here isn't the quality of the writing but the style of humor. 30 Rock moves really fast (like Arrested Development before it) and relies on the viewer having a pretty hefty brain full of pop trivia since a lot of the jokes rely on references to things that have nothing at all to do with 30 Rock itself. To make matters more difficult for...
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- Akiva Moskovitz
I wasn't a fan of the Raymond program but I am a fan of the traditional 3 camera format. Watch a show like "The Bob Newhart Show" or "WKRP" and you'll see just how smart and hysterical the 3 camera program can be. I also don't think shows like Arrested Development are "niche" anymore. They've now become the norm, which is why they're quickly becoming far less amusing than they used to be. When EVERY show is full of weird, quirky characters doing strange things- it gets old kinda quickly.
- Noah Belson
If they're the norm, then where are they? There are far more traditional sitcoms than there are shows like Arrested Development which, remember, only made it three seasons before it was cancelled. Furthermore, I didn't write anything negative about the three-camera format so I'm not sure why you're defending it.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Sorkin didn't really give a shit about behind-the-scenes at SNL; I think he just wanted a platform that would give him the appropriate latitude to be loosely topical. As well, it really didn't help that he was using scripts to settle scores...
- Andrew C
NBC has the Office, Parks and Recreation, 30 Rock, and Community that all follow the single-camera-everyone's-a-quirky-character formula, CBS has at least the Big Bang Theory (albeit it's multi camera), and FOX arguably has its entire Sunday night lineup of animated shows. Quirky is the new group-of-friends-who-always-hang-out-together-and-never-get-their-lives-in-order-until-the-last-season-when-everyone-marries-each-other.
- Mark Trapp
And while I will take any opportunity to bag on Studio 60, I /liked/ TWW. He just didn't really get his premise at all, and the audience wasn't in the mood for this particular bait-and-switch. (I even liked the S60 pilot...)
- Andrew C
Mark, I don't count animated comedies in the same group as shows like Arrested Development. Although King of the Hill proved that you can do a traditional sitcom in animation, it was the exception and not the norm. Animated shows operate in their own, unique niche. As for the other shows you mentioned, I didn't say that there weren't any but that there were more traditional sitcoms (and...
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- Akiva Moskovitz
Sorry, I took the phrase "lather, rinse, repeat" to be negative, maybe you didn't mean it that way. In my experience, the 3 camera sitcom is a popular punching bag, but perhaps I leapt up to defend it too quickly. As for the influx of quirky comedies, they're popping up more and more: Modern Family, Glee, Community, The Office, Parks & Recreation, etc. Mark Trapp kinda nailed it: quirky is the new "must have" for TV comedy and it's getting kinda old now.
- Noah Belson
Andrew, it wasn't so much of a bait-and-switch as that Sorkin expected a long leash from NBC because of the success of The West Wing and so Sorkin was taking his time developing what he wanted out of the show. However, when the ratings tanked almost immediately, the network began messing with the show, tried to turn it into a romance (Whitford and Peet's characters were never meant to...
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- Akiva Moskovitz
Noah, yeah, I didn't mean to be negative with that. I actually liked Everybody Loves Raymond (although I never purposefully sat down to watch it; if it was on, I'd usually get sucked in). They had good writers on that show. And I'll admit that I haven't seen Modern Family or Glee so I don't know much about them. I figured they were both three-camera sitcoms and left it at that.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Aw come on now. "Big Bang Theory" is a smart, well written show (judging by the few episodes I've seen anyhow) and "Full House" was a show aimed at 14 year old girls and was written as such. To paint them both with the same brush just because they're shot with the same number of cameras seems kind of unfair. To me, anyhow.
- Noah Belson
I felt the wheels came off starting with the second episode, and I thought that last-ditch "Wells stuff" was after the network's cancellation came down and Sorkin basically just said "Screw it, I'm gonna write some more TWW episodes."
- Andrew C
BTW, I thought Community got that back nine a few weeks ago.
- Andrew C
Andrew, nope. That whole nonsense about whatsherface almost dying in childbirth and the romance was all generated at the behest of the network. The network even showed the final episodes out of order (the one with Allison Janney is actually the last episode which is why, at the very end, she looks right at the camera, thanks us (the actual audience), and then Timothy Busfield says,...
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- Akiva Moskovitz
And, Andrew, you're right! Community has been picked up for a full season. Excellent news.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Ah, I don't remember that stuff. I may have stopped watching before the end. I thought you were talking about the hostage situation that Weber's character helped fix.
- Andrew C
Ah, the hostage thing was definitely Sorkin's doing (the whole bit was set up during the Pahrump two-parter) but I'm not convinced that it was meant to be as over-the-top as it was. By the time the hostage episodes came on, the show was well out of Sorkin and Schlamme's control.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I know this is a minority view, but I liked Studio 60. The pace was a bit too slow and Harriet wasn't hot enough, but Matt Perry, Bradley Whitford and Amanda Peet were all awesome.
- James Myatt
Or that they didn't have complete control of the casting which is what most people think.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I think Studio 60 failed because it was too slow-paced. It also wasn't as fast with the jokes as West Wing and Sports Night were. People have zero attention span these days. You have to hook them in fast. I watched it because I was fan of Sorkin's other shows and even I had to hang in there for a couple episodes before I finally got invested enough in the characters to forgive the lack...
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- Spidra Webster
It took me awhile to get into 30 Rock (in fact, I only started watching it a season or two ago) but now I'm fully invested. You just have to be prepared for the fact that it's essentially an animated sitcom performed by real people. The characters are there only as caricatures to hang preposterous but hilarious jokes on. If you can get behind that strategy, you have a world of laughter awaiting you.
- Akiva Moskovitz
There are performances I enjoy in 30 Rock (particularly Baldwin's) but I guess too many of the situations/jokes don't tickle my particular funny bone.
- Spidra Webster
That's true, Andrew. I'm just saying that most people I've talked to who were also big into the show have said that not all of the cast was first choice. Both Paulson and Corddry were supposedly not who Sorkin and Schlamme wanted for those roles.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Just a matter of taste, I guess. I didn't get into Arrested Development, either.
- Spidra Webster
Wow. I had no problem with either Paulson's or Corddry's performances. If some of the sketches on the show seemed unfunny, that just made it all that much more like SNL to me. SNL hasn't been consistently great in a very very long time.
- Spidra Webster
I tried to like Studio 60, but there was something about it that put me off. I just didn't find it that interesting. 30 Rock got MUCH better the last couple eps of the first season and into it's second. I do like Sorkin, though. I give him the benefit of the doubt, even if he doesn't always hit on all cylinders.
- Derrick
I'm sure Sorkin originally wanted Felicity Huffman and Josh Malina :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Yuri Foreman becomes first Israeli world champion - http://www.jewlicious.com/2009...
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'...fans gathered around the country and paid $15 cover charges or $35 table fees, to see Yuri Foreman, The Lion of Zion, the FSU born, Haifa raised boxer and rabbinical student, the Kosher Krusher, Hebrew Hand Grenade, and Dreidel of Destruction win a unanimous decision over a hefty Santos for the WBA middle welter weight title in Las Vegas. Mazel Tough. No plans for a Foreman Grille, but how about a Foreman Falafel Maker.'
- Akiva Moskovitz
from Bookmarklet
Yay! I'm glad he's doing well.
- Rochelle
no idea who this is but he's HOT!!!!
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
The Matzah of Mayhem?
- Christopher Harley
from iPhone
The Chabadik of Chorror?
- Akiva Moskovitz
The Tefillin Tiger?
- Christopher Harley
from iPhone
The Kneidelach Kombatant?
- Michael R. Bernstein
The Purim Pugilist?
- Akiva Moskovitz
Those names are hilarious. Good marketing!
- Spidra Webster
The Circumsized Smasher?
- Michael R. Bernstein
The Juden Euthanizer?
- Akiva Moskovitz
The Terror of Torah?
- Adrian
The Fightin' Gefilte Fish?
- Christopher Harley
from iPhone
Brisket Slicer?
- Oldengrey (Jay)
Tzitzit Flyweight?
- Oldengrey (Jay)
Oldengrey, I don't think you've got the hang of this yet. Try 'Brisket Basher' and 'Tzitzit Tornado'.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Jay's anti-alliteration.
- Akiva Moskovitz
“Find out who you are and do it on purpose.”
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—Dolly Parton Singer-songwriter, actress, author, philanthropist
- joey
Well how timely!
- joey
Dolly Parton is one hella smart woman. Very savvy.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Tina, I agree :)
- joey
Life is just a series of peaks and troughs. And you don't know whether you're in a trough until you're climbing out, or on a peak until you're coming down. And that's it you know, you never know what's round the corner. Er, but it's all good, you know. 'If you want the rainbow, you've gotta put up with the rain.' Do you know which 'philosopher' said that? Dolly Parton! And people say she's just a big pair of tits.
- Akiva Moskovitz
sometimes you have to just go all in, no half assing!
- Loc
Omphaloskepsis? - http://ffffound.com/image...
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[FFFFOUND! | к сожалению, слово ХУЙ в этом журнале не редкость - Детали]
- LogEx
from Bookmarklet
O_o
- Derrick
Ummmmm???
- Bill Heslin
Very Clean? jealous?
- Bill Heslin
Navel-gazing is apparently a meditation technique.
- LogEx
Oh it's a Navel....;Nevermind....Lmao
- Bill Heslin
This is the part in Aliens where....
- Mo Kargas
I think it's LogEx 's belly button...rethinking LogEx...lol
- Bill Heslin
Oh no, mine's not that pretty.
- LogEx
mmm
- Michael W. May
Also has an innie -->
- Derrick
Haz a lintie -->
- LogEx
O_o
- Derrick
Alrighty then...I though pictures of feet/socks/shoes or kissing was gross and hideworthy. This ranks.
- Admiral Anika
Anika, I don't even know you anymore
- Michael W. May
I knew there was a word for it!
- Red Label
Guess how many people on FriendFeed I "invited" to be on my feed that I already knew? Maybe two. That's it. Everyone else I originally met because of Friend of a Friend or because they commented on my posts or those of other people I met earlier. Thank God for FriendFeed's "noise." My life, both online and off, is better for it.
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[Terms in quotes are to be understood according to Scoble's definitions, as I understand them, though I acknowledge I am to some extent taking "noise" from the fringe of his definition.]
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
"Thank God for FriendFeed's "noise."" <---- Best line I have seen all day. +googol, Jandy
- Josh Haley
I love noise too. I study it. It's just the reason why person after person told me they didn't like it. I'm just the messenger. Even Tim O'Reilly told me this is why he didn't like FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
Agree completely. Same here.
- Melanie Reed
I don't think I invited any real-life contacts. I've enjoyed the noise and found some interesting people because of it.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Robert, that's not what you've said in various posts over the past few days and weeks - you've continually said that you can't find the content you want here anymore because it's too noisy. I think what you mean by that is that the content you aren't interested in drowns out the content you are (whereas before the noise was mostly tech, so therefore not noise to you). But still. You've...
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- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
+1 Jandy
- Joe Silence disconnected
Thanks, Josh. :) I was kinda partial to your "It was a dark and stormy night" appropriation earlier.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Amen, sister.
- Steve Lowe
COME ON FEEL THE NOISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Trish R
makes me wanna ask, "can't we all just get along?" (friendfeed, twitter, gReader...)
- brainno722 (Peter)
In my world, FF and Twitter are for following people, GReader is for following topics. I will quickly unsub a feed in GReader if it gets noisy because I'm looking for info, but I fully embrace the noise here, because making noise is part of being a person. I suspect that to Robert, people and topics are interchangeable... it would explain a lot about his perspective.
- Roger Benningfield
I only know 2 people here IRL. The rest are FF only contacts.
- Alex Scrivener
I know 0 IRL
- Mike Nencetti
I think that's a good point, Roger - I wouldn't necessarily say that about Robert without caveat, but in terms of the way he uses social media seems to be much more for business/learning/information/data then for personal reasons. For me, I generally subscribe to people on FF after deciding I like what they post (i.e., I like their content), but it's not long before I like their content...
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- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Alex, of people who actually post here (rather than those who joined at my behest and now just dump feeds), I knew one before IRL. But now I know at least ten or fifteen people IRL that I met on FriendFeed. And I don't consider them just contacts, I consider them friends.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Preach, Sister Jandy.
- Derrick
OH HAI DERRICK! See, there's one right there. :)
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Jandy is Dandy. I wouldn't have known that if not for the noise of FF. God Bless FriendFeed! (or Cosmic Force of the Universe be kind to FF - for any atheists out there )
- Morgan Haley
*does the Jandy dance* :D
- Derrick
derrick - how does that dance go? i ain't got moves, so i might need some schooling!
- Morgan Haley
I don't know, Morgan. I just made it up. And only because I know Jandy sees a lot of shows. I can't imagine she doesn't do a little boogieing in there from time to time. Jandy, WHAT SAY YOU?
- Derrick
I've met 1 FF person IRL (guess who!?)
- LogEx
i'll just do the 'cabbage patch' as a default, if that's ok with all of you
- Morgan Haley
and I need to warn the masses that I am a white boy, so my idea of what the cabbage patch is might not be up to muster..
- Morgan Haley
Derrick, that all depends on how drunk I am. ;) LE, really?! I feel all special now. :)
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
yes, calling it "friendfeed" is misleading but i guess finding the perfect name would not be easy either
- Loc
Amen
- Louis Simoneau
Hahaha Jandy ... keep being you ... even the parts when you drunk post at concerts and twitpic and all that.
- Amani
don't fortify yourself in a shopping mall | wrongcards - http://wrongcards.com/ecard...
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Boss send out a wrongcard earlier today. Now I'm gonna be on this site ALL DAY.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
from Bookmarklet
I think Jonathan Coulton nailed this. "I don't want to nitpick, Tom, but is this really your plan? To spend your whole life locked inside a mall? Maybe that's okay for now, but someday you'll be out of food and guns, and then you'll have to make the call."
- ha3rvey (wants confit)
lol @LL
- Andrew Terry
I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. (mixing movies is fun)
- Michael W. May
MWM, this is so true.
- ha3rvey (wants confit)
My job blocks these. Because my job is so uncool :(
- Kamilah Gill
from email
Aw, that's lame, Kamilah. :(
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
One time my dad & I were in nowheresville, Florida looking for a particular movie theater. We walked through a mall, and slowly realized that there were no open stores. No people of any kind. The lights were on, and music echoed creepily. I became so convinced of a zombie setup ultimately the pressure was too much, and I screamed "for the love of god, man, RUN!" My supercool dad ran yelling with me to the exit. The end.
- LAST DAY OF WORK
Farmland. Long line of sight, far from population centers, and gives you the potential for sustainable living in the long term.
- Brad Greer
Lo, I used to work in the mall as a teenager, and they are SO CREEPY after closing. *shudder*
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Lo wins best dad story ever. :)
- Heather
Brad has thought this through, perhaps a little too much... but he'll have the last laugh.
- LAST DAY OF WORK
I do believe we discussed this on one of our earlier dates. He's probably only marrying me because he found out that I have experience shooting a shotgun.
- Christina Kuhn
LOL Christina! That's so romantic :)
- LAST DAY OF WORK
Audrey's in recovery, snoozing away. The anesthesiologist said that everything went really well. Now we're waiting for the surgeon to come and talk to us. So far, so good and the worst is out of the way but I am still extremely anxious.
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:) great news! ((hugs)) to you all!
- WorldofHiglet
Cheer!
- Mattb4rd
YAY!
- Sparky
AWESOME!
- SAM
:) Hang in there! Looks like the "worst" is over!
- Tad
That is fantastic.
- Andru Edwards
Good good good. All will be well.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Thank you for the update. Hang in there.
- Josh Haley
Excellent!
- josh neff, geek at large
Good deal!
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Yay!
- joey
*happy dance*
- Lindsay is in 20-ten
Good to hear! Hugs to all :)
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
from iPhone
Good to hear!!
- Roberto Bonini
Hooray!
- Michelle Martinez
Hurray! Thanks for the update - I hope the whole family recovers well :)
- Jennifer Dittrich
very glad to hear...
- Harold - Happy 2010
here is to a speedy recovery!
- Jason Wyttenbach
from BuddyFeed
great news!
- Tim Hoeck
I have missed a lot of the details of what is going on, but your family is on my mind tonight, and I wish you all well.
- s t e v e
Really glad to hear she is doing well.
- Tony C
Excellent!
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
good news!
- Jim in Real Time
I'm so glad. <3 Audrey.
- Yolanda
Hang in there Akiva. My daughter was operated on within 12 hours of birth, so I have an idea of how you feel.
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
The Worthingtons send thier love :)
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Hugs and prayers for babby! :)
- LB - all new for '10!
Hope she recovers, and promptly so. \o,
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Yayyyyy!!!
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
yay! (stupid FF going down keeping me from knowing)
- Matthew DeVries
So glad to hear she's alright
- Kamilah Gill
Wonderful news, Akiva and Rochelle! I''m sure you are feeling some relief.
- Melanie Reed
Woops I should have checked for this update before commenting on the other. Great news! *hugs*
- Carmen - Happy 2010!
Hope all goes well guys!
- Alex Scoble
Speedy recovery, Audrey!
- Ayşe E.
What good news!
- Bonnie Foster
That's great to hear! Wishing Audrey a swift and full recovery xx
- Andrew Terry
from iPod
Great news!!
- David Cook - 2010!!!
That's wonderful news... *hugs to you all*
- Emma
FF was down last night so I couldn't check back to see how things went. I'm so glad to see they went well! Wishing Audrey a speedy recovery and you and Rochelle peace and at least a little rest. :-)
- vicster is...
:) great to hear this. I didn't see this last night, so I am very happy to read the good news. <3 to the whole fam...
- Bren -- Making Contact
so good to hear - hang in there akiva
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
Dear PhotoShoppers: When you fake before and after photos, make sure you get all the tattoos - including the one on the ribs.
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Could have been added later though right? Really got to look for tatoos that aren't in the after shot. :)
- SAM
I agree, if it were reversed (tattoo that was in before shot and missing after) I would be far more skeptical.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
Possibly, yes. Not sure it looks like that new a tattoo, though.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Learn how I flattened my head in 4 short weeks!
- Michael W. May
What? you didn't know? Acai berries can give you perfectly defined tatoos, too. ;)
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
@MWM - yeah, I was thinking the same thing too.
- Andrew C
He probably rewarded himself with a new tat after achieving those washboard abs. Job well done!
- Noah Belson
Hmm, is the answer "go to prison"?
- Victor Ganata
Yahoo's Bartz: We 'somehow got boring' | Relevant Results - CNET News - http://news.cnet.com/8301-30...
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""Today is the beginning of a journey back to respect," said Yahoo CEO Carol Bartz in a meeting with financial analysts at Yahoo's headquarters in Sunnyvale, Calif. "Yahoo was the big shining star in the mid-1990s and mid-2000s, and then somehow we weren't so shiny anymore.""
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
Not "boring" more like "useless"
- Richard Lawler
I'll give them the mid 1990s, even though I never saw what the big deal was with Yahoo! But the mid-2000s? Pass the joint.
- Cristo
Today is the beginning of a journey back to respect? The stock market obviously doesn't think so. YHOO's stock is down 2.5% this morning. If Yahoo wants my respect they can start by not destroying my data -- especially without warning. More hot air BS from Carol Bartz.
- Thomas Hawk
Almost all of the interesting things I can think of to come out of Yahoo! have been relatively mature acquisitions. Flickr, Konfabulator, eGroups... and I wouldn't say much as been done with those properties after acquisition. I think Yahoo! peaked around 2000-2001 when it had all their video shows and their chat rooms were the most advanced. They were like a better AOL. Now Facebook is the better AOL.
- Cristo
Cristo - but the same can be said of Google who have expanded mostly through acquired IP. However, they do a better job integrating and developing it.
- Ivan Makarov
Plus Google doesn't nuke your group because one of their community managers doesn't like "your freedom."
- Thomas Hawk
I think there's a lot of blogger.com/blogspot or whatever bloggers who would beg to differ.
- Richard Lawler
I didn't mean to imply that acquisitions are bad, just that Yahoo! hasn't really evolved them much. Google has a better track record than most in this area, although they've had a few cases not everyone was happy with.
- Cristo
Are you really aure you'd want delicious turned into something like Y! Bookmarks or Flickr into Y! Photos? I'm not.
- Andrea Grassi
from iPhone
I keep waiting for TH to get hired as an upper level manager at Yahoo, so he can whip Flickr in to shape from inside the company.
- Adam Harrison
Adam... that would be hilarious.
- Stephanie Keating
Andrea, if that meant it would be better quality, and there was lots of good integration yes. But currently Y! doesn't have a good reputation, so it sounds like a bad idea. I currently don't use any Y! products actively unless I'm forced to.
- Cristo
Stock ended down today over 4%. Much more than the overall market declines today. I don't think the analysts put much short term faith in Bartz's big analyst day today. Respect is a two way street. If Yahoo wants respect, they need to give respect. And that starts with treating their users better than they have been. Personally Bartz's message today was as hollow to me as their current $100 million marketing campaign that Yahoo is under new management, Yours.
- Thomas Hawk
Metric EP out today - 5 acoustic tracks - Plug In Plug Out
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Loft: New Bathroom
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I think it turned out pretty nice, although Java is not very happy.
- Cristo
Very nice.
- Anne Bouey
Heh, we have the same toilet. Love the cabinets. What kind of wood is that?
- Jason Wehmhoener
The shower is fantastic, Cristo. Really spectacular.
- Spidra Webster
One thing we talked about doing was doing a in-wall toilet, but we're tired. Maybe someday. The cabinet wood is reclaimed teak, as well as the shelf above the tub. The door is mahogany.
- Cristo
Thanks Spidra. I love that the rain shower is so high. Feels like rain. :)
- Cristo
I guess the mahogany was also reclaimed? I don't think they're logging either of those species anymore. It's really beautiful wood.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Jason, I'm not sure. We didn't source the wood for the door, the guy we hired to build them did. For the teak, Beti found a place based out of Mt. Shasta that reclaims it from Southeast Asia.
- Cristo
I'm 6ft tall so I can appreciate a shower head that's high up.
- Spidra Webster
Gorgeous.
- Ayşe E.
I had a lot of fun working with the cabinetmaker on our bathroom. My dad's a cabinetmaker, and I worked in the old shop a couple summers as a teenager, so it was neat to be able to be on the customer side for a change. The cabinetmaker really enjoyed that too, to the point where he was calling me about the tiniest details (a little annoying to me, but he was just really into it)
- Jason Wehmhoener
Is he from Santa Cruz and named David?
- Cristo
No, our cabinetmaker was from Boulder Creek and named Michael.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Just finished an email survey for the SFMOMA asking me why I hadn't renewed my membership. They've been calling incessantly at home trying to get me to renew as well. Funny how when you throw someone out of a museum for the crime of photography that they just aren't that interested in renewing. Good riddance.
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No way. I read your blog so many years ago about that incident, and I had no idea that it was you who wrote it. I never forgot the post. It was my first exposure to Photographer's rights. Funny how time flies!
- Steve Dorsey
Nope, but I let them know my stance on things in the comment part of the survey. Unfortunately I was limited to 500 words by the form.
- Thomas Hawk
I can see that, since you're now using 'no' instead of 'know' to save space. ;)
- Cristo
;) fixed that.
- Thomas Hawk
This shouldn’t be the image of Hack Day - Simon Willison - http://simonwillison.net/2009...
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"I’ve heard arguments that this kind of thing is culturally acceptable in Taiwan—in fact it may even be expected for technology events, though I’d love to hear further confirmation. I don’t care. ... If we want an all-encompassing technology scene, we need to actively work to cultivate an inclusive environment. This means a zero tolerance approach to this kind of entertainment. Booth babes, tequila girls, and scantily clad gyrating women simply set the wrong tone, here or abroad. Heck, this isn’t just about offending women—many guy geeks I know would be mortified by this kind of thing." Amen
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
yuck. those are some sad photos.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Really? This kind of makes me want to go. :P
- Cristo
Too true. Friends of Lulu has been trying to make this point to the comics industry for years.
- Spidra Webster
This was company sanctioned? Wow, someone needs to have their head read.
- Kenton
It's expected that the "coolest" guys get bitches all through history. See Fonzie, and that begat rock stars and today it's rappers. In Asia, the geeks are as cool there as rappers are here, so in Asia, the geeks get the bitches.
- Matthew DeVries
*packing his bags* :)
- Cristo
I think it is absolutely appalling and I can't believe HR allowed it. Makes me not want to support anything that Yahoo touches. Ever.
- joey
Well, this just strikes me as funny, and I doubt I'd want to go to one of these without those girls there.
- Cristo
Yahoo! has issued an apology via Twitter: http://twitter.com/yahoo... I would presume that a longer response is forthcoming.
- Glen, Bespectacled Elder
Very difficult to believe the sincerity of an apology that clearly comes in response to outcry. However, I do believe them when they say it won't happen again.
- Spidra Webster
:(
- Cristo
Don't worry, Cristo. There are still plenty of places where you can get jiggle and blow.
- Spidra Webster
Spidra , but I want to write code at the same time. ;)
- Cristo
You can take your laptop when you go for a lapdance. In the winter, the goils might be esp happy to grind on your laptop. If your machine is anything like mine, it's plenty warm for winter!
- Spidra Webster
There's a lot of sharp edges on the Macbook Air though.
- Cristo
So would it make it all better if they added male strippers?
- Rodfather
Yes, just what the world needs is more zero-tolerance policies!
- Gabe
No it should, that's hawwwwwt
- sofarsoShawn
Well, if they're going to ban the girls, I think they should ban PHP programming too.
- Cristo
This event, and responses on this thread are pretty appalling. As a female in tech, and regularly attending meetings as the only female in a room of 10-30 males, this just illustrates one of the reasons. It's hard enough to just do your job and get heard, much less go to "company tech events" that are clearly geared in every way toward men. sickening.
- Jenna Bilotta
Most of the responses on this thread were intended as humor, which tends to be a hard thing to convey through text. Calling them appalling seems like an over-reaction.
- Cristo
Cristo, in this case, you're pretty much just wrong.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Most humor is wrong.
- Cristo
I thought humor was supposed to be funny? Also, your humor is not original and I'm exposed to this kind of joke day in and day out. It's yet another reason women might feel alienated in tech.
- Jenna Bilotta
Jenna, I fully agree I'm not always funny. It's a risk. I'm sorry if I offended you, and although making light of it, I was not supporting the Taiwan Hack Day performance. But to be honest, I really wouldn't go to one of these anyway regardless of what was there.
- Cristo
Did Carol Bartz address this yet?
- Red Label
Red Label, see Glen Campbell's comment above.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Can they ban PHP instead of women? Afterall, the women are mostly offensive only to women, but PHP should be offensive to everybody.
- Gabe
Why are people such prudes?
- Tanath
"Well, this just strikes me as funny, and I doubt I'd want to go to one of these without those girls there" ~ do you mean it's funny like dwarf throwing is to short people or minstrels to people of colour or how about sheep jokes to new zealanders? The excuse of "hey we're geeks and if you don't understand *cognitive dissonance* - like we respect women hackers but also like naked chicks on stage" is wearing a bit thin.
- Peter Renshaw
as long as woman play no bigger role in tech you will see male related stuff on such events. why should we bend reality. you should pity the lack of interest of femals regarding tech-development (and not just sales) if you feel the need for pity
- Chris Hofmann
I'm pretty sure the guy who wrote this article is gay. Hot chicks in short skirts FTW!
- Garin Kilpatrick
I dunno.. my lesbian friend kinda liked it. (me too).
- Martynas
We're simply a nation of Puritans who say one thing and indulge in the opposite...in secret.
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
The problem here is not a society that craves "bitches" but women who raised to think that being one is an acceptable way to spend one's life, or even a portion of one's life. If there are no "bitches" to consume, then the "bitches" consumer will need to learn to adapt. Mamas don't let your daughters grow up to be "bitches"
- Matthew DeVries
FFS, people. This wasn't just dancing girls - it was lap dancing. http://news.ycombinator.com/item... tries to spell out why that is wrong as clearly as possible, but I think Jenna said it pretty clearly, too.
- Nick Lothian
+1 Jenna - Your comment, and the responses to it illustrate well how little effort is sometimes put in to what it may be like for women and minorities working in tech. It's sad that it needs to be so difficult, and how global this professional bias is.
- Michelle Darnell
Save me a Seat at the DRIP RAIL!! ;PPP
- Billy Warhol
@Tanath I'm far from prudish, believe me, but when this tactic is used to promote something, it makes me feel like they're promoting it to someone other than me. I went through the same thing in the '80s with marketing of musical equipment; it was very clearly pitched to guys. Just not very smart marketing if you want a wider audience!
- Eph Zero
"Well, this just strikes me as funny, and I doubt I'd want to go to one of these without those girls there." -- Funny, as in I wouldn't have gone to this anyway, those guys look really uncomfortable, and just like any number of things on FriendFeed and Youtube, it made me laugh. Also, my wife is in tech, and she thought it was funny too, so I guess I married the right person.
- Cristo
This has nothing to do with being prudish. It has everything to do with being professional. As a woman who works in technology, I work significantly harder than my male counterparts to be heard and respected simply because I'm female. I worked harder to be respected in engineering school and was often told to go do something that 'girls' do better. It's not that women aren't interested...
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- joey
+1 Eph Zero.
- joey
joey, I think the using the term "hack" and "professional" are at odds to me. I agree this shouldn't be in the corporate workplace. I don't go to strip clubs, despite my joking. I also don't like "hacking" to becoming a professional corporate watered-down concept. It's like skateboarding, Yahoo! Taiwan was apparently trying to do both together. They failed, and it was funny to me.
- Cristo
Hacker news claims sexual discrimination. It seems as though the result would be to put the female dancers out of a job. Let's hope they find some other employment.
- Tim Tyler
Cristo, that's true, too, but 'hack days' happen at Microsoft, Expedia, etc. and they're very corporate environments. It was sponsored by Yahoo, it wasn't an impromptu gathering of 'hackers' at a local bar or something (and as a female I'd feel put off by lap dances there as well but not angry as I am that this had corporate backing).
- joey
I'm put off by corporate environments. In fact, it offends me when I'm subjected to it. E.g. I'm offended by most marketing programs, be them politically correct or not. It's their lack of authenticity that offends me.
- Cristo
joey, also you should know a group of hackers would never meet at a local bar and they would never have lap dancers. Didn't you see my list? :) http://friendfeed.com/cristob...
- Cristo
++joey I've experienced everything she mentions in tech, and constantly being called agressive, while my male counterparts are called "enthusiastic" its not ok. And no matter how hard I try to get male coworkers to see this, they just think its all in my head... it sucks.
- Jenna Bilotta
from Android
Jenna, you are aggressive in a good way only. Aggressive people change the world. Empathetic aggressive people change the world for the better.
- Daniel Dulitz
Oh yeaaah, porno chicks sooooooo hawwwwwwwwt
- sofarsoShawn
And it's not just missing the mark with women...what about gay men? Surely there are one or two in tech...
- Eph Zero
Eph, also a good point.
- joey
Marketing departments care little about pleasing small minorities.
- Tim Tyler
@Tim - Behold! The land Non Sequiters has a new king!
- Matthew DeVries
That was a reply to the two comments immediately preceding it.
- Tim Tyler
Tim, marketing a product and recruiting talent should not be the same thing. One can market a product primarily to men or women, but one should not discriminate in who they hire to create said product.
- joey
@Jenna In my experience "he/she is aggressive" is often an excuse by people who can't stand up for themselves. Daniel is right.
- Nick Lothian
++jenna Have you had the 1:1s where you've been asked to tone down your opinions because people get the wrong idea? What idea would that be, I sometimes wonder. Anyway, back on topic, I am far from a prude and I enjoy taking my boyfriends out for lap dances when the mood strikes but this? Not even close to being ok. A professional event should remain professional.
- EricaJoy
Let us also not forget that Yahoo is a publicly traded company that has shareholders to answer to. You really think shareholders want to be paying for lap dances? Doubtful.
- EricaJoy
As for the "booth babe" reference... just remember that judging anyone on appearance can quickly render one a fool. Don't assume. There are a lot of women in tech (growing?) and those women attending an event that are working a booth is no indication they were hired just as bait for men. Ask about the product, and based on the answer -- remember that the vendor cared or didn't care about how they spent marketing dollars.... Yes, a trade show floor is the perfect Roddenberry social fabric encapsulation ;-)
- Jay Cuthrell
Alternatively: print up an official "You wasted my time with your offensive and sexist use of unscripted talent on your booth -- Sincerely, A no longer potential customer" as needed... booth babes and booth boys apply
- Jay Cuthrell
I expect Yahoo shareholders appreciate the value of holding and pulling in young male developers by using sexual stimuli - but don't much care for the resulting international attention.
- Tim Tyler
Re: hiring discrimination - let's not forget that this was a hack day, not a job interview. If they had paid for a creche instead, would we see a similar outcry about discrimination in favour of women?
- Tim Tyler
I am an so call 'male developer' here in Taiwan. In my point of view, I felt that comments about the 'sexual' and 'hr to blame' note should be some kind of misunderstand. I think the hack day@tw is hosted like big event and its a contest between hackers.,In big contest, people do have something temporary transfer/release their tension. Take superball for example, half-time show is one...
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- marx
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Kept Penny alive for two weeks now, woo hoo!
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Congrats! I remember constantly checking on Maya when she was quiet too long, making sure her belly was going up and down with her breathing. I think all new parents do that.
- Carl Haynes
Yup, I do the same thing! I'm happy that babies tend to breath a bit loud so that I can hear her breathing when she's sleeping.
- Georgia Diehl
*golf clap* FTR, my kids are 3 and 6 and I *still* go in to check on them to make sure they're still alive.
- Admiral Anika
I thought I was the only one who did this. My daughter still sleeps like the dead. Whenever I wake up in the middle of the night, I go check on her. I don't check on my son, though. He sleeps like a cat. He's up at the slightest noise.
- ha3rvey (wants confit)
Haha. Congrats! Audrey's largyngomalacia makes it so we always know she's alive and breathing. She sounds like Darth Vader. You should post more Penny pics!
- Rochelle
Will do today!
- Georgia Diehl
I remember the "my god why did they entrust this living being with me" feeling. It's actually quite sweet and amazing. Congrats! I'm amazed how much you're on FF given how little sleep I suspect you're getting!
- Steve "Daddy do it!" Lacy
I've been very lucky so far, so hopefully I'm not jinxing it! She sleeps in 3-4 hour blocks.
- Georgia Diehl
Mine are 11, 9 and 3. I still check on them, though asthma is part of the reason.
- Bruce Lewis
I was just wondering how things were going. I'd say you're posting about the average amount for the mom of a newborn, i.e., not much! ;-) anyway, congrats!
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
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