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Caption This [via http://friendfeed.com/tracito...]
zach, Greg, Iain and 52 other people liked this
"Well, it's not Hawaii... but at least I won't get sunburnt."
- l0ckergn0me
Bang! you got me
- Kim Landwehr
Serenity. I has it.
- Mike Lewis
Just one more margarita on the roof..
- Citronella
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
- lelapin
One Mojito, Two Mojito, Three Mojito, FLOOR!
- Now Voyager
John Joseph Houghtaling was a genius. RIP.
- Rod Bauer
from twhirl
it's been a hard day's night and i've been working like a dog
- Majento
Are you going to just stand there like an idiot, or are you going to give me a belly rub?
- Stolee
damn lolcats got nothin on me!
- Lynette Young
she was remarkable. best puppy milk ever!
- zach
Lasagna! Can't get another bite down! Oh Yeah! Food Coma!
- Bob Ward
Ugh, long day. Somebody get me one of those colorful drinks with an umbrella, and quick.
- Traci Toguchi
"If somebody doesn't rub my tummy soon, I'm going to tear this thing to pieces."
- Dawn
No No No ....the back stroke looks like this!
- Tuff Dreckmeier
I thought slip n' slides used to be longer than this...
- Bryan Scott
Tugger finally got his own indoor pool.
- LJ Katz
I believe I can fly, I believe I can touch the sky...
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Commence tummy rubz...... NOW
- JCLeftie
That rain stain looks like Pixie.
- Candy Graham
super cute
- Calvin Ayre
I swear God if you let me live, I'll never do another Tequila shot again
- TheFemGeek
from BuddyFeed
Ha! Good one, TheFemGeek
- Dawn
So cute!!
- Kazumoto Sakai
I am soooo sleeeepy....
- Fossil Huntress
Where is the 'hide' link when you need it? This has been around since June 25! The puppy is cute BUT enough already !!
- lelapin
Great pic! :)
- Logicgnome
passing out from seeing the jonas brothers, I haz it...
- Greg
dead!
- Noah David Simon
FriendFeed has been almost completely blocked in Iran as far as we can tell. We have a large number of very active Iranian users, and we noticed a steep decline in activity yesterday. Graph below.
ILLA, egza, Ozer Wrzl (EN) and 789 other people liked this
:(
- Paul Buchheit
:( :(
- Rachel Lea Fox
:-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Related to the election?
- τorƍue
:(
- Ross Miller
that's so bad...
- Eren Emre Kanal
:-(
- Kevin Fox
τorƍue: Yes, as far as we know
- Bret Taylor
این نمودار نشاندهنده افت فرندفید به دلیل بسته شدن آن در ایران است
- Mycaptain
Bret: Is this based on IP numbers located in Iran, or actual activity from those users? If it's IP based, it'd be interesting to see the activity on a user basis and see if they've been able to route around the blocking.
- Ken Sheppardson
:(
- Marina Remi
Could it be related to Twitter being blocked (and therefore the twitter traffic import being blocked)?
- Stephan Osmont
):
- Jim Norris
Some users are definitely going through proxies. This is total # of unique visits from IPs originating in Iran
- Bret Taylor
That tells it's own, sad, story.
- WorldofHiglet
:(((
- Oğuz Serdar
Wow.
- Rochelle
If Twitter were blocked and FriendFeed weren't, I'd expect an uptick in FriendFeed activity, not a 92% drop.
- Kevin Fox
I.e. given all the users who've previously accessed the site from an Iran IP number, how many have been active from different numbers in the past 2 days.
- Ken Sheppardson
Sad.
- Jen (SquirrelGirl)
Instead of "liking" this, shouldn't we have an "unlike" button?
- Steven Melfi
:( Bret: According to Stephen fry, these are the iran proxies: 218.128.112.18:8080 218.206.94.132:808 218.253.65.99:808 219.50.16.70:8080 . Can you track these IPs?
- Roberto Bonini
I knew this day was coming. Too bad.
- Robert Scoble
Steven - same feeling here. I always feel weird "liking" bad stories on FF
- Mike Bracco
How does traffic from China look? Or North Korea?
- τorƍue
:(
- Helen Sventitsky
do not like :(
- Tamara
@τorƍue Twitter has been restored in China
- Stephan Osmont
Hey... we saw issues with blogfa.com as well: http://blog.spinn3r.com/2009...
- Kevin A. Burton
like for spread but not like for the situation
- Imprenditore
I wonder what the international community can do about stuff like this. Eventually the "bad guys" will lose.
- Michiel Sikkes
Hopefully, we'll never see a graph like this for Turkey...
- Onur Şentüre
that's because the government has blocked access to friendfeed,twitter,facebook,youtube and ... after election and after protests in Iran cities !
- Farshad
Man... :( That's really a corrupt government. Hope it gets better soon.
- Peter
That's horrible.
- Barış (beyn.org)
Kheyzaran mentioned over the weekend that both Twitter and FF were blocked for Iran starting I believe on Friday. He is using a proxy when possible to keep us updated
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Bret, any analysis about how many people unable to access FF directly are still able to access it via proxy?
- Daniel Dulitz
:-(
- bookmeister
:( Let the voices be heard!
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
So sad...
- Luka
Sigh :(
- Havang
can you suggest a way in friendfeed to show the situation in iran to the world ? its very important
- Farshad
I doubt any regular North Koreans have computers τorƍue
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Daniel: Well, we are still getting a bunch of Farsi comments and posts. They may be Persians from outside Iran or from Iranians using proxies. We don't have a detailed analysis breaking those down at this point.
- Bret Taylor
The stigmata of evil.
- Tim Tyler
all cominucation devices are blocked .even phone & cell phones !
- MohammadReza
see this for example : http://abcnews.go.com/Interna...
- Farshad
Watching the "guerrilla cyberwarfare" aspect of the elections and reactions has been fascinating. Iran's universities are obviously full of resourceful, passionate geeks.
- John Craft
not good in terms of freedom
- Sheri Fresonke Harper
this is really bad. i hope there's some resolution to this. the people or iran have shown a lot of strength and courage to protest the illegitimacy of recent events. i don't think this will stop things
- Cee Bee
Is it possible that the same folks from Iran that are active on Friendfeed are the ones out protesting?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
please help us , we are under attack ,change friendfeed logo if you can
- فرزاد
we need a new way
- Semiramis
@MVB we all are Protests
- MohammadReza
That's sad.
- EricaJoy
:( Dislike.
- Ruchira S. Datta
:(
- © D/\\/IIID ℠ ®
P.S. Kevin should turn the logo green in support of the Iranian's being disenfranchised.
- EricaJoy
:((
- ramin
For those that are in Iran: Have you tried http://fftogo.com as a workaround?
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
make a room for us, invite your friends we will fill it with latest news
- Farshad
I'm completely for having a fair vote, but I'm not sure that I'd want to try and align FriendFeed with a particular candidate, which is what a green logo would imply.
- Kevin Fox
Many iranians using proxies to access FF. and therefore their IPs changes to fake IP .
- آدمیرال
MohammadReza: Maryam's mom is still able to call her relatives and friends in Tehran, so they are keeping some voice traffic open, if not all.
- Robert Scoble
Farshad, I'm trying to post news here: http://friendfeed.com/world-n...
- Kol Tregaskes
No words for that...
- Frank
thanks kol :)
- Farshad
If Iran thinks they have nothing to fear, then why block Friendfeed?
- Frode Stenstrøm
Frode: because the government is like China: they believe that by retarding the flow of information they will reduce the threat of protests and governmental overthrow.
- Robert Scoble
Very reminiscent of the prelude to the fall of the Shah
- Alan Morris
I don't speak Persian, so I don't know all the searches, but there are still (luckily) a lot of Persian users posting: http://friendfeed.com/search.... If you are Persian and looking for updates, try our search engine to find the few users who still have access.
- Bret Taylor
Frode: and in Iran's case, they are run by conservative religious authorities and they don't like the fact that they are not in control of information flow like they used to be. They like to think they can still control information sources and, since they can't, they try to block places where their citizens can go to share information.
- Robert Scoble
is it a joke? iranian users seems the %90 of friend feed. it could not be real!
- Fırat DEMİREL
Firat: There are no units on the vertical axis of the chart.
- Ken Sheppardson
Firat: This is a chart of traffic from Iran, not of FF's total traffic.
- Kevin Fox
Firat, i doubt that this graph is a percentage graph... probably more likely that it's measuring hits, sessions, or total data transfered (mb, kb, etc)
- Chris Heath
Kevin: what impact did this have on FF's overall traffic?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Iran is the #6 country for FriendFeed in terms of page views per day.
- Bret Taylor
something is cooking out there...
- mehdi
Thanks all for answers. i told that it could not be real.. :) excuse me, i ve just read Bret's notice and looked at breaking point. i saw what i've missed before.. bad news for ff and iran.. :(
- Fırat DEMİREL
These statistics are incredible, especially the normally heavy useage of FF in Iran.
- Curt Mercadante
Bret Taylor, we can tag our pix and vids about iran election by an english keyword such as 'iran' or 'iranelection'. I think it will help to ff non-persian users to find out more about unrests in iran.
- آدمیرال
Iran restored cell phone service Sunday that had been down in the capital since Saturday. But Iranians still could not send text messages from their mobile phones, and the government increased its Internet filtering in an apparent attempt to undercut opposition voices. Social networking sites including Facebook and Twitter were also not working.
- Üstün Üzüm
Do *not* like. :(
- Pete Delucchi
:(
- Russ Jackson
:(
- Mitch
آقا یکی توضیح بده اینکه من(ما) لایک میزنیم! عملا دیسلایک ه ! :(
- younes
Younes says that our likes to this graph mean dislike to tehran's regime censorship
- آدمیرال
I can't find any evidence of Twitter being blocked in Iran. Anyone?
- Martin Bryant
TechCrunch just picked this up: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Robert Scoble
Thanks for the translation آدمیرال !
- Ross Miller
ممنونم آدمیرال عزیز
- younes
خواهش دوست من.
- آدمیرال
martin: those words are not mine actually from a news article from washinton post.
- Üstün Üzüm
On twitter people are retweeting the IPs and ports of unblocked proxies, can we do something like that here?
- Canageek
martin, i'm from iran. twitter is blocked. what evidence you wanna? screenshot!?
- آدمیرال
yes Canageek. we use proxies for tweeting
- آدمیرال
Authorities blocking the internet are just reinforcing solidarity between people, can't they understand ?
- Stanislas Jourdan
Stanislas: not to mention they encourage their smartest and richest people to leave (the ones who have technical skills). There's a reason why Silicon Valley has 10,000 or more Iranians living here. Their government sucks and the people are getting tired of it. Of course if their government was great I would never have met my wife (who grew up in Tehran). So, there is good to come out of a crappy government! :-)
- Robert Scoble
it has always seemed to me that the iranian user base is ENORMOUS here. wow. unbelievable.
- edythe
It is interesting how much civil unrest that is brewing across the globe towards their governments. The knee jerk reactions in attempting to block certain websites shows how much they didn't expect the net to become such a widespread conduit for cutting through the bs and informing those that wish to know. I wish those who take a stand all the best.
- alphaxion
:(
- Roberto
Another way for those that are in Iran is to access through Netvibes (but I don't know if it works or if it's blocked too), adding Friendfeed, Gmail and so on such as modules
- Roberto
Thanks for sharing this, Bret. It's valuable evidence of what's going on, evidence which wouldn't have been available even a few years ago.
- Michael Nielsen
sad
- Pedro Beltrao
Very interesting...so much for democracy and voting rights in Iran...
- freedom fighter mom
If anybody in Iran feels up to it, can you temporarily disable your proxy and run a traceroute to friendfeed.com and twitter.com then post the results here?
- EricaJoy
Bret and Paul, can you let us know if the traffic comes back, which would tell us they've unblocked FriendFeed?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: absolutely, we will let everyone know when it comes back up
- Bret Taylor
from email
Steven: You Like that it was posted, not the content of the post.
- Tanath
Bret, thanks for sharing the info about the dive. Shame, but what could we have expected from the Iranian status quo?
- Jon Osterholm
البته یه چیز هم هست اونکه بعد از فیلترینگ همه با آی پی غیر ایرانی می ان فرندفید و برای همنی آمارشون اینجا ثبت نمیشه ... وگرنه فکر نمی کنم از لحاظ تعداد نفراتی که میومدن کم شده باشه ... بلکه هم بیشتر
- HΛMΣD ƧΛFΛ
Yes, it happend and we have to use proxy to access friendfeed. Look at democracy in Iran...
- Zahra (raoros)
The coversations and comments here are educational.
- Seek Ground
@بی بی, you might try https://friendfeed.com/
- Jim Norris
:(
- imabonehead
Damn.
- Steven Perez
http://mojipage.com register in this website and add ff widget! twitter is blocked in iran so I am posting twitts by a script or choqok(http://choqok.gnufolks.org/)
- ★amin.m★
from MojiPage
Good luck to all of you trying to get around the censorship. I hope the big sites are doing what they can to help out.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Looking at the potential of this event in the future for numerous causes is mind-boggling. Really amazing.
- Charlie Anzman
Come to think of it, does FF have a presence in China? I'd imagine it's blocked there. I've seen Chinese on here, but never sure if that's from China or speakers outside.
- anna sauce
Tnx Bret
- Conformist / Unforgiven
Thnaks :)
- Exir
این چی میگه؟
- Lord hozeh
ببین شب انتخاباتی چکار کردیم با این فرفر. wow!
- ali
چه همه لااااااااااااااااایک!
- ali
:((
- AJ Batac
Damn.
- Derrick
Expected.
- Michael W. May
Yes, Friendfeed is blocked in Iran. Right now the papers and TV channels here are controlled by the government and our access to satellite channels is blocked too. Friendfeed and Twitter are quite vital for us now. Our main source of exchanging information and news is Friendfeed. Via Friendfeed we let everyone know that where people need help and where to go and how to help them and...
more...
- Selma
Selma: does https://friendfeed.com/ work for you?
- Bret Taylor
Nope, they have blocked all https addresses, we have had to sign in to Friendfeed via anti-filters for the past few months.
- Selma
its a shame. it was one the main media we used to inform ppl. thats why they filtered it. now many users cant sign in
- Myri∂m
Can't we "help" in some way? Providing proxies, I don't know, the kind of stuff pirates do. Pirates, and people trying to make a Revolution happen....
- Zackatoustra
It may not be long before Turkey joins the party.
- Sarp Tüzün
It's very sad to see this happen
- Michael Fidler
tnx all of you...
- emin
internet was our last hope ...but it block...and we cant use it easily...
- Opium
:(
- Caroline
I just spoke with my friend Andres, the main BBC correspondent for the Middle East/Afghanistan, and he mentioned the web is being fire walled in Iran much the same as the the "Great Firewall" during last year's Olympics in China.
- sofarsoShawn
The Iranian websites that people used to exchange information about the election protests in Iran are under cyber-attacks by the government forces and from anonymous sources. Many of them are down right now. These Iranian websites were our few last remaining channels to inform people. What can we do about that? Is there anyone out there who can help us with this?
- emin
i was 53rd active user in friendfeed until this filtering. now i can open FF with proxies and if i can fine. a Vpn but many Vpn here come from companies that have relations with security services, i thunk they allow us to bypass filternig and then, they will arrest who has wrote against their goals
- خیزران kheyzaran
Can't we transfer the data/databases of the sites you, iranian guys, use to any new domain we could buy? I want to help. Not by throwing rocks to "security service" forces, but, at least, by making possible for what YOU have to say to go public, worldwide.
- Zackatoustra
FF is a useful website for Iranian People to get reliable information about demonstration against presidential election.
- پارسـا
so so sorry for iran people... I hope they will win...
- Tanaydin Sirin
and Now Yahoo messenger and google talk blocked in iran :((((
- پارسـا
Some amazing images from Iran - http://ff.im/42pgD
- Brent - Loving Life
Does http://fftogo.com work still?
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Selma: 1- I don't use a proxy but clearing all but one (deleting them all logs me out) instance of each friendfeed.com cookie name and refreshing the page always solves this for me in Firefox. Has never happened on Lunascape or IE. Good luck.
- Alexandros Georgiadis
google block fftogo for iranian users!!!
- ★amin.m★
Friendfeedがイランでblockされているというコトらしい。いったいどういう理由でだか分からないけれど……もし、国内のゴタゴタの影響であればいずれtwitterも、ということになりかねないのかも。／でも、fftogoを使えば迂回できるのかな？
- Sakurai.Catshop
What about email, amin.m? Are you able to post to FF by emailing share@friendfeed?
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I don't know about email. now I am using freegate or another site like http://mojipage.com
- ★amin.m★
Could http://dev.ctor.org/f2p, http://frienddeck.com or http://peoplebrwsr.com work for friendfeed?
- Alexandros Georgiadis
Very sad.
- Parth Awasthi
The reason I ask is because if you can email a post, then try sending it to share@friendfeed and also to YourUserName@friendfeed. Then when someone comments you'll receive an email about it and you can comment back to the thread via email as well.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
No wonder why !
- Pelin
+ don't use your ISP's DNS server, verify your Firewall, search for rootkits.. + If you really wanna use Tor, be 'mobile', check the onion's status, don't be too confident, continue to use encrypted protocols & 'mobile' ports. At least, read Tor's docs and articles about Tor & privacy/security..
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
now chat like gmail or yahoo messenger are blocked too
- egza
I don't know if these can help but I put them here anyway http://www.noiseriver.com/ http://moopz.com/
- M F
Alexandros: Frienddeck could work for certain parts - posts and queries against user accounts are proxied through the App Engine, searches are direct against Friendfeed so they could probably not work.
- Paul Kinlan
Thanks :((
- مـهدی معتمد
:( booooooo
- Duncan Rawlinson
:o
- FKU
DAMN!
- Vicey
whoa, NOT good
- Susan Beebe
We wish the people of Iran well in these difficult times
- Marc
Not good at all. Best wishes to the Iranian FFers. I hope this whole mess gets cleared up quickly and with as little violence as possible
- Kamilah Gill
this is terribly wrong
- Francisco Costa
A government that takes away people's Friendfeed will not last long.
- Goran Zec
WOW CRAZY
- Matt Kaufman
I like that 667 people liked this, that's 667 people hoping it all gets resolved justly and peacefully.
- Steve C
now we are 676 people who liked that =) hoping too everthing gets resolved peacefully.
- Ibrahim Tarlig
Bret, is there any update on this? Is activity still low?
- Kol Tregaskes
Yes, we are still being blocked
- Bret Taylor
:-(
- Kol Tregaskes
:-(
- Arif Siddiquee
definitely DON'T LIKE this... >_< ...would love to be able do more than retweeting proxies
- Daniele
Best regards from Chile to all iranian people, we know a lot about bad government and human rights. Good luck, strength and courage to all of you.
- Roberto Arancibia
:(
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
It's to bad there is such attempts to block free flow of information, how long will it be before there is more amazing differences happening? Such limits, hmm.
- Ray Marr aka Knatchwa
They have to keep the militants in check. Thank goodness for the pipes that were broken.
- tony
بیا بالا ای فید من
- egza
Digg.com is block in Iran now.
- Sahandram
:-(
- Paolo Valzania
:((
- Mitchell Tsai
Interesting censorship- same can happen in America - I would like to talk to you abt Friendfeed and bringing over some large groups do you have time?
- JanSimpson
I've seen those censorship about FriendFeed (Iran). Do you know some interesting and objective blogposts about it?
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
from email
:(
- Rachel Lea Fox
Do you have a similar graph as ff's been blocked in China?
- K.D.
And China now has a similar blockage. You should also check on it.
- Kenyth
Sometimes we forget how easy we have it than other countries. But until people revolt & I mean a HUGE revolution injustices will still go on.
- Gabriella Sannino
ای بابا این فید رو شخم زدن :))
- egza
پرلایک ترین فید فرفره این
- ramin
jeddi?
- HΛMΣD ƧΛFΛ
from IM
آره حامد آمارشو قبلا در آورده ام
- egza
che jaleb , oonvaght por comment dartarin feed kodoome? bebinim mishe feed 2khtare mardom e farzad davan davan ro be oon beresoonim?
- HΛMΣD ƧΛFΛ
from IM
حامد اینجا رو ببین http://friendfeed.com/amirsem...
- egza
ba mobile am ... to bebin bara manam tarif kon :D
- HΛMΣD ƧΛFΛ
from IM
بعد از این فید که هستمی این http://friendfeed.com/funny-p... در رده دوم لایکه ,اینجا شش هزار و خورده ای کامنت داره http://friendfeed.com/ideali... این فید از فارسی زبانان فرفر همین نیما خودمون http://friendfeed.com/nimaa... در لایک 204 تا این هم از آیدا http://friendfeed.com/elaheye... بیشتر از 2400 کامنت داره
- egza
BrandLogic Dialogue: Sci Fi Channel becomes SyFy. What do you think? Join the discussion: http://blog.brandlogic.com/2009...
Ralph Whitbeck and Larry Roth liked this
John Resig on Glow: The BBC's Glow effort has always confused me... - http://www.reddit.com/r...
Ralph Whitbeck, Ali Demirci and Cliff Gerrish liked this
ok so I just had to apologize to @spolsky for calling him "Ballmeresque". It is absolutely true, he is FAR less sweaty than Steve.
Ralph Whitbeck liked this
How @loumongello turned vacation at Disney World into riches - http://www.viddler.com/explore...
Kevin Tunis, Muneer Mirza, Rob Diana and 3 other people liked this
Just goes to show how you can be successful if you put passion in front of money.
- Ralph Whitbeck
Thanks - this was a fun interview. Now I want to go to Disneyland again!
- Jesse Stay
The Yanks are blowing it in the bottom of the 4th. Obviously distraught over Michael Jackson.
Ralph Whitbeck liked this
EXCLUSIVE: New Macbook revealed: http://vimeo.com/5319991 [Video proof]
Bill Kinney, Jorge Escobar, anna sauce and 5 other people liked this
nice one Chris, thank you.. need to buy a Mac soon.! I am a PC guy and have never own a MAC, but now I want one.. lets hope my shares go up and I make enough money on them so I can buy one :P
- Qbat
haha
- Qbat
1 pls.
- anna sauce
Why legendary game developer John Carmack shelved his ego and sold id to ZeniMax | VentureBeat - http://venturebeat.com/2009...
Peter Renshaw, Paul Buchheit, Private Sanjeev and 16 other people liked this
"We made changes a couple of years ago where we decided to get away from doing just one project every four years. There were structural reasons why we had to do that. There was the pace of technology and how long it took to create a new game technology. Then there was the time it took to train the game team how to use the technology to make a game. It was clear that we had to leverage our technology and get things into a pipeline. All the publishers were telling us that it was wise to license out our intellectual property to get more projects under way at once. The publishers told us that we would be more valuable to them if we built our team larger. So we listened to that. We took games pretty far into development on our own nickel before pitching the publishers. That’s what we did with Rage. That was our plan of record."
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
Ah, drop it.. i am still in love with doom 95.. hmm idkfa, iddqd!! :))
- Bahriye
idbehold!
- Christopher Chung
idspispopd!
- Christopher Chung
iddqd ? oops, didn't see that bahriye already posted it
- Wang Yip
heh i think there was idnoclip too
- Wang Yip
Still trying to wrap my head around id Software permanently joining a publisher as junior partner. This is *very* different from how id operated over the last 20+ years.
- Mustafa K. Isik
@Wang: \o/
- Bahriye
FriendFeed Blog: You can now share files on FriendFeed - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
Joshua, david beckwith, HealingBrush and 596 other people liked this
"To share files on friendfeed.com, simply click the "Files" link underneath the post box and select which files you want to include. You can also share files by including them as attachments on emails sent to share@friendfeed.com."
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
That's the new hawtness!
- Alex Scoble
wow
- michael sean wright
whoa!
- vijay
SEKRIT PLANZ! MWA HA HA HA
- Josh Haley
Excellent news, thank you Bret and guys! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
the game just changed
- chrisofspades
Haha! Nice...
- WorldofHiglet
nice
- endiaferon
This feature will help with using FF solely as a email mailing list.
- Kol Tregaskes
Now we just need page branding and some enterprise integration, and we can replace Sharepoint...
- sean andersen
Plus as a mail client too (kinda of anyway). I will have to get auto-forwarding my emails to my ff.com address again.
- Kol Tregaskes
yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes. i'm trying to be coherent but that's all that's coming up. Thanks... whats the file size limit?
- Frankie Warren
this has awesomesauce all over it
- Alfredo
is video an option?
- Zee.
We have a rolling 24-hour limit for the number and size of files you can upload, but you probably shouldn't hit it unless you are sharing really big stuff.
- Bret Taylor
Are the files public when accessed via direct link? Or do they require authentication?
- Mark Trapp
No video at the moment, Zee.
- Ross Miller
Bret, will this work for attachments sent to share@friendfeed.com?
- chrisofspades
So tell me, how will you send email verification emails to new users when FF has successfully replaced email? </paradox>
- nickrw
nice!
- Mike Bracco
So, no BluRay rips, then :p
- Josh Haley
Mark: right now they are public when access via direct link (though the links are not at all predictable).
- Bret Taylor
Yes, file attachments to share@friendfeed.com work as you would expect.
- Bret Taylor
Very Nice
- Brent - Loving Life
neat-o!
- t i n y m
Bret - is music an option?
- Zee.
WIN
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Any other files that don't work with it?
- Kol Tregaskes
What's the file attachment size limit?
- imabonehead
Kol: i assume you can attach video? it just won't play in-line? or did i misinterpret that?
- Frankie Warren
@imabonehead, from Bret's comment above: "We have a rolling 24-hour limit for the number and size of files you can upload, but you probably shouldn't hit it unless you are sharing really big stuff."
- Dan Hsiao
@Dan, thx
- imabonehead
Liked Liked Liked (*99999) "You can now share files on FriendFeed" This is.. GREAT!
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Frankie, video attachments aren't currently supported
- Dan Hsiao
Frankie, Ross says no to video, see above.
- Kol Tregaskes
MP3s?
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol: there is a stricter limit on audio files (3 per day).
- Bret Taylor
Yay, no more rapidshare! :)
- Kaan Ertürk
OK, but any format?
- Kol Tregaskes
I tried it with both a txt and a rar file but neither seemed to work (the message was posted without a file attached). [Update: works now for me]
- Philipp Lenssen
Gonna give a big W00T!! to this before I even read the whole thing...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
LOL, Tina.
- Kol Tregaskes
Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!
- Roberto Bonini
Perhaps we need a list of file types (and their limits) that are supported?
- Kol Tregaskes
Tina++, Holy Crap! :)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
music files work! awesome! example here http://friendfeed.com/fredyga...
- Alfredo
Bret: What about attachments to comments?
- sean andersen
Swwwweeeettttt!!!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Now all I need is a number where I can call and leave a VM that gets changed into an audio file, and I can get rid of drop.io for good! Yeah, we're never happy are we? Sorry....
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Greatissimo :)
- Stanislas Jourdan
Bret, does animated GIFs now work btw?
- Kol Tregaskes
Thanks for the clarification on video :) how long will the files stay on the server?
- Frankie Warren
Tina - Perhaps if we leave a VM for the FriendFeed IM bot on Google Talk? That would rock.
- Mitch
Can we paste URLs into the box like we can for images?
- Kol Tregaskes
Seriously, guys, when and where do we start donating?
- Akiva Moskovitz
I'd prefer buying private shares, Akiva. :)
- Carlos Ayala
I think you can support them by buying the FF swags.
- imabonehead
cool
- Siavash
and sharing from URLs works! - http://ff.im/4o1RY
- chrisofspades
NIIIIIIIIIIICE
- Pedram
Pair this w/ a private room and you have instant office and/or project collaboration. Drop.io may have some competition. :)
- JA Castillo
JA, agree.
- Kol Tregaskes
Chris, cool. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
All we need now is a calendaring system and support for source code.
- imabonehead
mp3 sharing works in FriendFeed? Just when I'm thinking to share some 'musiclets' from time to time via Tumblr! mhh.. interesting, really!
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Thierry, yep MP3s are supported.
- Kol Tregaskes
this is awesome, i was literally just trying to do this last night on one of our team feeds and had to post links to published google docs instead. going to try it out now. it's like they read my mind.
- Mike Elliott
Kol...we use Drop.io all the time here at my office. This would be great as it is supremely simpler. But approved file types and sizes needs to be understood.
- JA Castillo
Mitch, that would be an option, but I can only imagine the opportunity for the wrong voice file to go to the wronge feed...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
And Akiva is right...where do we start donating?!
- JA Castillo
If we had basic HTML support for first comments on FF, it could almost be used for mail (at least for forwarding and reading mail to and on it).
- Kol Tregaskes
JA, a list of supported file types, limits and sizes is needed... please. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Cool stuff
- Tyson Key
Any limits on the number of times a file can be downloaded, per day, out of interest?
- Tyson Key
Reminds me of Pownce :) Great addition!
- Holger Eilhard
NaFFster! :)
- jcunwired
Does this mean that the days are numbered for various Pownce clones and Jaiku? Facebook, start your photocopiers! ;)
- Tyson Key
this is GREAT!
- Cee Bee
Now cue Facebook adding this feature in 3.. 2.. 1..
- Daniel Sims
Yay! Friendfeed is yet another step closer to complete emulation of IRC :)
- Victor Ganata
Hey Bret, are these virus-checked?
- Jordan Hofker
@Jordan - good question
- andy brudtkuhl
Jordan, good shout.
- Kol Tregaskes
The moment I read this I updated my AV program.
- jcunwired
Are the shared files located in the enclosure tag of the feed? And can we filter feeds by enclosure type?
- Cliff Gerrish
Jordan- yes, we virus scan them.
- Casey Muller
Cool, Casey. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Awesome, thanks Casey.
- Jordan Hofker
Cliff- only media files (images and audio) are included in feeds at this time.
- Casey Muller
Haha, Victor. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Uh, question two: how long before one of the **AA's gets all pissy? That would be sad. Is there a size limit?
- Jordan Hofker
search by file type?
- Jason Wehmhoener
Jason, good shout.
- Kol Tregaskes
Jordan - what is **AA's ??
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
This will go a long way in convincing some of my Yahoo Groups to move to FF. Although we must have a list of file types supported, retention times and also if there is a max number of d/l's.
- Gil Francisco III
This is awesome but I'm also concerned about the type of people this might bring to the FF community.
- Johnny
Gil, I'm seriously considering moving my Y!Groups list members from there to FF.
- Kol Tregaskes
This is one of those features that people don't complain about even though they didn't ask the community prior to launching ;)
- Frankie Warren
Dare I ask about Boobies.jpg.virus.exe? - Oops Casey says they are virus scanned
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
Jannifer: RIAA and MPAA, specifically. Say someone shares a copyrighted song or something...RIAA gets cranky.
- Jordan Hofker
Am I the only person that thinks this is an incredibly bad idea?
- Jason Nunnelley
.m4a files sent from the iPhone's Voice Memos feature aren't given a player but are making it through the mail to FF feature. Any support for a player coming down the line?
- Christopher Harley
How about .zip s that are password-protected? Reject I hope... (edit) .zip not supported at all, I gather, good!
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
yeah search by filetype absolutely! filetype:pdf, filetype:mp3, filetype:zip, filetype:doc etc.
- Nathan Chase
Christoper: (via Bret) "Unfortunately we only can play back MP3s at this point. The iPhone voice memos are in M4A (AAC), so we really want to support them, but it is a bit more difficult with Flash and our media setup at the moment."
- Ross Miller
\m/
- metalerik
abi allah tuttuğunuzu altın etsin **love**
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
Jason, I might be with you on this one.
- Johnny
This is nice! Very nice!
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
Yippie-kai-yay :))))
- A.T.
Thanks, Ross. The paid app, iProRecorder http://www.iprorecorder.com/ suffers the same limitations.
- Christopher Harley
NICE!!! Been waiting for this... thanks FriendFeed team!
- AJ Batac
Cool! FF is becoming more of a platform of choice for me. Thanks guys :)
- Dilip Dand
Very Cool !!!
- Eric Logan
I'm not sure that I'm going to use that feature (I rarely share docs over the internet that weren't created in Zoho or GDocs, anyway), but still it looks pretty neato.
- Miss Elle
Bret, do you have any restrictions to protect against music filesharers etc so you do not become an RIAA target?
- Travis Koger
@ Travis: I was just wondering the same.
- Brian Chang
Bret Taylor, a friend of mine uploaded 1 mp3 and it disappeared. Now he can't upload any mp3 file, seeing a [The "" file type is not supported]. Broken message?
- Jason Nunnelley
"You can only upload 3 audio files every day. Please try again later." Too bad because I was really just trying to see what files worked. .wav aint one of them. No audio notes from Evernote, iPhone, iProRecorder. I soooo want to love this but It's not doing what I need it to do. This feature needs to support some kind of multi photo post with a recording appended to the message. That should be right out of the box. Video needs to come right behind it. Music is cool but citizen journalism is even cooler.
- Christopher Harley
seriously useful.
- Calvin Ayre
I haven't tested this but, how exactly are you determining audio file types, just using the file extension. If so there is a work around with a simple file rename, an example would be if you change an .mp3 to a .pdf and let people rename it once it becomes local on their machine. EDIT: This workaround would also allow video to be transferred.
- Jimminy Fuller
Maybe I don't know enough, but doesn't this kind of open the door to slipping malicious code to unsuspecting users?
- Fleagle
this is the best thing I know this morning when I open my eyes, well done!
- K.D.
that is AWESOME!
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Fleagle: It is possible that someone would do that but FriendFeed is fairly well self monitored. It is still a small group of people in comparison to other networks.
- Jimminy Fuller
Glad for this feature, though perhaps close partnership with Box.net or similar could keep FF storage costs better contained? Not criticizing, just hoping Core Team doesn't get distracted by extending (and babysitting) commodity services. Keep up the great work!
- michael silverton
Kudos on the added features!
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
可以分享文件，friendfeed更好用了。
- 老巫师
哇塞，这个强的。 I like it.
- xiawinter
Wow. Just wow. Thanks.
- Laura Norvig
NICE! Thanks for the info.
- Cyndi ~ @muchmorethanmom
Tell us more. Tell us EVERYTHING about the file "FF secret plans.pdf" shown in the blogpost <http://friendfeed-media.com/0fe9b6e...>.
- ianf ⌘
Oh, very awesome!
- Scott Magdalein
It's *machine code*.
- Karl Knechtel
Karl: FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
So we can setup private groups and share questionable files ? :)
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
That's pretty much what I was saying, Ahsan. I did one earlier as a test to prove my point, (NOTE: it is a clean file, direct from Revision 3) at http://friendfeed.com/jimminy...
- Jimminy Fuller
Excellent! Thank you!
- Diego Barros
"Rapidshare Fined $34 Million for Copyright Infringement" (http://mashable.com/2009...)
- Ozkan Altuner
Hmmm @Ryo, good catch, posting directly from Android to FF your voice messages, would be cool!
- Ozkan Altuner
Can we tell the lawyers that they "won" and give them all the money? Then start over with a new set of I.P. laws and a new currency? Pretty please?
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
Must you force downloads on HTML files?
- Raphael, Raphael
This is great. I'll try this instead of posting to Ipernity.
- Rick Cogley
Seems like a good step in the right direction indeed the concerns are founded based on previous experiences but it is a good start.
- Ubuntu101
Is it possible to set it up as part of the feed like a podcast?
- Ubuntu101
Excellento - inline playing of mp3 files at last - this will be dangerous. But is there are limit??
- Chris Loft
embedding mp3's is just fine when it works .. I've been trying to get a podcast rss feed I have setup imported for the past 8 hours straight only to find out that each time it's not importing squat.
- John Blanton
from twhirl
I take that back it worked once but everything in the description tags showed up twice.
- John Blanton
from twhirl
:( Apparently not *.pdn files (Paint.Net)
- Raphael, Raphael
Thx! FF continues to rock :)
- Krishnamoorthy
why the limit on audio files?
- Tyler Gillies
Can us folks with Symbian OS-based devices have some Adaptive Multi-Rate codec/AMR file love, too? I believe that some Samsung and NEC phones also use that audio file format...
- Tyson Key
Oh, and Google Earth KML files, and Ogg Vorbis files aren't supported right now either, for what it's worth. Still, it's a nice idea, so far.
- Tyson Key
wow :)
- Mucio
I'm disappointed that the PDF of your secret plans is only 1.2 mb. Surely there's more?
- Dnl
anyone know the file size limit?
- Julian Seery Gude
My old Motorola Que made .3gp files too. Facebook can process them. You want to be at least as cool as Facebook, right?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiice!
- Micah Wittman
FYI Micah, it works with *.user.js files... you know what that means...
- Mitch
*happy dance* this is really innovative and highly useful...thanks FF :)
- Susan Beebe
oh heck yes
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Tried to share an .hta file with Micah yesterday....couldn't attach it. Tried to zip it and still couldn't attach it. Ended up tossing it in my dropbox and posting the link. :-(
- April Russo (app103)
LOL at the FF secret plans.pdf!!
- Darren Heydon
As a person who regularly stands over others while passwords are entered, I don't think I agree with this perspective: http://www.useit.com/alertbo...
Ralph Whitbeck and Larry Roth liked this
In Case of Fire: DO NOT USE TWITTER! - http://www.buzzfeed.com/awesome...
Rong Huang, Steve Walters, Lu Tao and 79 other people liked this
What about FriendFeed?
- Ralph Whitbeck
Also do not use twitter if Wil.I.Am or his manager throws you a beat-down.
- Jim Tierney
Maybe someone should send a link to Perez Hilton....
- Rasmus Lauridsen
But what if some people in the building don't realize there is a fire? You must tweet about it for their safety
- FORA.tv
Citizens of the United States may not be aware of the British journal 'Viz' s fictional character 'Fireman Fritter'
- Ben Aldhouse
LOL @ Rasmus.
- Roberto Bonini
@leolaporte "in case of fire do not twitter" sooo last week ;-)
- lelapin
Pretty amazing, but the shapes of things to come.
- Alvaro Munoz-Aycuens
Node Gets Much-deserved Nod From The Design World - http://www.thedesignblog.org/entry...
HealingBrush, Cibeles, Pavel Senko and 102 other people liked this
WHOA.
- Mona Nomura
Where's ground?
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Yeah, the only problem is there is no place to put the ground
- Tyler (Chacha)
I'm guessing the flashing motif is there to warn about overloading. Cause I'd be quite worried about that with people trying to fit more than one per side.
- alphaxion
HOW IS GROUND LOOP BABBY FORMMED?
- Josh Haley
I like the crunchgear points, which are linked from the article.
- Andrew C
THAT IS FREAKIN' AWESOME! I need at least twelve of these things!
- Dan Messer
この電源コンセント、スゴイっ！／オフィスだと、必ずしも壁に据付のコンセントはつかえない(机の下までタップを引っ張ることが多い)けど、ご家庭ではめっぽう重宝するんじゃないかしら？ 見栄えも綺麗だし。
- Sakurai.Catshop
from fftogo
確かにこれはよさそう。でも、埃が詰まることによるトラッキングも起こりやすそうだなあ……
- 椎出啓
こんなコンセントの発想はなかった。でもでかいACアダプターだとなあ
- Stella
:-D
- Live4Emma (L4S)
Wouldn't be able to have that in Australia because there's no switch. ;) Besides our prongs aren't very parallel.
- Andrew Trinh
Now *that* is different!
- Julianne
awesome
- Susan Beebe
I'm just wondering how you baby proof that thing?
- Brent - Loving Life
Ok that's the coolest thing I've seen all week.
- Barbara
NICE. Love it.
- Jason Huebel
Hmmm, on second thought I'm not sure how useful this would be. It doesn't handle three-pronged power cables.
- Jason Huebel
Looks incredibly efficient!
- Mark Nassal
there's just enough space to stick a sharp metal object into that
- Cee Bee
No ground, no three prong capabilities, no legal in US i'm afraid.
- Steve C
Possibly the most unsafe socket I have seen in a long time. Form over function?
- John Cooper
Plus, a slot design like this can't make use of the gripper 'bumps' in regular sockets. ( http://www.howstuffworks.com/questio... ) This is total design wankery with little to no consideration for the actual use cases IMO...
- Andrew C
what about safety? Im sure they could design some sort of cover for it. This is awesome...
- Manny
But why would you cover it? The whole design imperative is the exposed slots, right?
- Andrew C
@AndrewC, for parents with toddlers.
- Jason Huebel
With the amount of care that Apple takes designing its hardware, you'd think they'd fix the Mighty Mouse wheel from getting clogged.
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I am sure many loyal customers just buy a new one instead of cleaning it.
- Ralph Whitbeck
Tonight was my daughter Virginia's first soccer practice. See scored 15 seconds after touching the ball. And when we were playing sharks and minnows (where the sharks try to take the ball from the minnows), we had to quit when the entire team where sharks and still couldn't get the ball away from Virginia. Oh, and she's 5 years old. Not...
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great write-up of hasLayout AKA the source of the majority of IE's quirkiness http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd...
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Wow I ran into this exact article Thursday night/Friday morning trying to figure out IE issues.
- Ralph Whitbeck
RT @RedWolves: New blog post: Transparent PNG's and IE 6 http://ralphwhitbeck.com/2009... --Nice tip!
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1996 World Series game on YES tonight. Mariano was approximately 12 years old. Robot years of course. http://twitpic.com/85fxe
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holy crap look how young he looks.
- Ralph Whitbeck
About to sign the historic Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act: http://my.barackobama.com/page...
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Great Job!!!
- Garin Kilpatrick
help the irnanian people
- yare dabestani
Overheard: "We're not in print, we're on the web. So grow a pair." @adactio on using liquid layouts in websites
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New study says positive thinking might actually make you feel WORSE! http://www.newser.com/story...
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see @jarrod_dixon 's developer lair! now featuring autographed picture of Val Kilmer and a mini-Mola Ram!! http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2009...
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We started including FriendFeed subscriber counts when we crawl your blog's feed - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
Amarnath Prabhakar, HealingBrush, Ruben Sanchez and 184 other people liked this
This means that, if you use a service FeedBurner, your subscriber totals will include FriendFeed subscribers in addition to subscriber counts from Google Reader, Bloglines, etc. For a lot of people like me, this will be a pretty significant boost in your overall subscriber numbers.
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
This is great! Thanks!
- Stephen Mack
Not sure why it is called "friendfeedagg" right now :) We will ask them to make the name a bit friendlier, but the stats are there nonetheless.
- Bret Taylor
What service did Kevin use to make that pie chart in the example?
- Stephen Mack
Thanks again to the FeedBurner team for working with us on this one - they were incredibly responsive and great to work with.
- Bret Taylor
Stephen: the chart comes from FeedBurner ( http://feedburner.google.com/fb...)
- Bret Taylor
from email
Very interesting !
- Farzad
Great!
- تنهاترین انجل
You can add your blog to your FriendFeed profile (if it isn't already there) at http://friendfeed.com/setting...
- Bret Taylor
not sure if i like it...
- Zio Bonino
There is a problem. My followers on FriendFeed follow all my feeds, not only my blog. So the "attention focus" is different between one user that follows directly my blog via RSS and an user that follows all about me. Two different counts in the main page of FeedBurner, RSS and FF, would be great.
- Alessandro Di Nicola
and for the reach stats? it's crawled?
- Felter Roberto
I'm not sure this was the right thing to do. Yes, there are 200 people subscribed to me on friendfeed, and my blog entries fly by in their feed. But from the Google Analytics stats, there are essentially no referrals from friendfeed to actually read the blog posts. Someone who subscribes to the blog RSS feed can be said to have an intent to actually read the blog, A subscriber on friendfeed doesn't necessarily have such an intent.
- DGentry
Unfortunately I suspect we'll see a TechCrunch article soon about "How To Inflate Your Subscriber Numbers Using friendfeed.com!" Edit: like the one they wrote about netvibes http://www.techcrunch.com/2008...
- DGentry
I agree with DGentry and Alessandro, this may not be a good idea. The problem could occur when Twitter and Facebook start reporting subscribers in the same way. This could start a very bad trend.
- Rob Diana
Hmm, I'm not sure if I like that. It surely inflates the subscriber-stats for the Feedburner-Feeds.
- Marcel Weiß
I think this is a disaster for feedburner. I publish a full feed from my blog so subscribers get the same content they would have if they visited the site. I can lump that into traffic as if they were a site visitor. But friendfeed merely publishes a headline so those friend feed subscribers have a very different experience than the ordinary RSS or email subscribers. In looking at recent traffic, only 10 referrals out of 7,000 came from friendfeed.
- Doug Cornelius
I agree - I am not loving this for my feedburner stats, seems not quite right. To me it seems like FF subs are subscribing less to my blog feed and more to me and my general commentary/presence on FF. It seems a little inflationary for rss sub numbers. I prefer to keep them separate, rss subs and ff subs.
- felix
but feedburner shown who "WANT" read our feed o who CAN read it? i think the second. And now it's the same. :)
- Felter Roberto
I'm awaiting Louis Gray's opinion. I think he had 8,500 RSS subscribers before, and now has 13,814. Which is the more accurate representation of the number of regular readers of louisgray.com ?
- DGentry
perhaps is better crawl blog's feed really show in FF. If i go out and my pc in off all the day, my google reader don't read any feed e my ff don't show me any message, Feedburner count me for FF and don't for google reader. And tomorrow, when i turn on my pc, my google reader download all the feed and i can read also the post of the day before, but FF show me only the last message and i lose all of the post.
- Felter Roberto
Whoa, awesome!! FriendFeed rocks! :) My new blog at http://susanbeebe.com now has a huge potential for additional subscribers due to this great new feature FF just added, THANK YOU! :)
- Susan Beebe
Wow my subscribers just jumped up 3000%
- Ralph Whitbeck
What's done can not be theoretically undone - so if this is the way it is, it should stay, or our one-time blips will look odd, won't they? DGentry, I don't know if I am in love with it. I think Rob is right in terms of it rendering the number meaningless. I've been excited to see my numbers go from 5,000 to 8,000 naturally (I guess) in the last two months. This means I can't celebrate that jump.
- Louis Gray
Doug said: "But friendfeed merely publishes a headline so those friend feed subscribers have a very different experience than the ordinary RSS or email subscribers." A lot of people use Google Reader in list view, which is *almost* the same thing as just seeing a title. There's no way to differentiate between those subscribers and ones which see the full content. Or subscribers that choose to mark all your items as read or just ignore them without even looking at the titles.
- Tony Ruscoe
For Louis, I guess the saving grace here is that you can see the breakdown in FeedBurner and choose to ignore FriendFeed if you wish. That means you can still watch your "normal" subscriber numbers climb and celebrate hitting 8,000 subscribers naturally. (You just can't share that number in a chicklet...)
- Tony Ruscoe
Tony: agreed these issues already exist for RSS subscription counts, and for web based readers such as gReader users could be counted even if completely inactive
- Mike Chelen
If someone subscribes to me on FriendFeed but also subscribes via other means - are those deduped or do they essentially get counted twice?
- AJ Kohn
AJ, I assume yes.
- Louis Gray
They get double counted, naturally.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
What if more than one user has the same feed, like Philipp and I do for the Google Blogoscoped blog feed? Does that add together both of our subscriber totals? And does it include all the subscribers for all the groups where it's been added too? (Cross-posted from http://ff.im/47QNJ.)
- Tony Ruscoe
One clear flaw of this is that my wife's blog at http://www.thegrayeffect.com, says it now has more than 9,300 readers, up from 50 yesterday. That's clearly wrong.
- Louis Gray
This is very bad! Of course I'd like higher numbers of RSS subscribers but this is a fake number. Please consider this again...
- Marko Saric
Louis I think thats the general problem: when someone subscribes to you on ff, are they also a subscriber to you on every one of the services you import? You import thegrayeffect.com as an RSS feed, and you have 9270 subscribers here, therefore thegreyeffect.com has 9270 new readers. More broadly, does a subscriber to the aggregate feed also count as a subscriber to every individual component of that feed? Or is the sum greater than the individual parts?
- DGentry
I saw a huge jump in subscribers today. I thought that Feedburner was broken. This explains it.
- Gary
Tony and Louis, the multi-author blog is one of those feeds that causes problems. I did not like this to start, and I am beginning to think I like it even less.
- Rob Diana
I hope Twitter and others don't get the same idea...
- Marko Saric
Hummm. As much as I like the idea, it seems destined to provide incentive for people to beg for subscribers here on FriendFeed which is exactly the behavior that I seek to avoid, and has been generally devoid on FriendFeed to date. It rewards FriendFeed usage and - as such - helps FriendFeed grow but ... is it the *right* growth?
- AJ Kohn
OK. Now I understood why my Feedburner count was inflated. I think, this is not a right thing to do.
- Krishnamoorthy
I actually REALLY dislike this A LOT. My subscriber count was a great measuring stick for me and also a solid indication of how many people -might- actually be reading my content. The vast majority of my subscribers here aren't reading my blog. It's very misleading and makes the RSS subscriber count a lot more meaningless to me.
- Ryan Stephens
Rob, one of the oddities here is that FriendFeed shows more than 9,000 adds to TheGrayEffect, but only about 5,000 to louisgray.com. That may be due to deduplication, but it is certainly odd.
- Louis Gray
howtomakemyblog: Twitter and Friendfeed are in this regard completely different services and I therefor don't see any way in which Twitter could do something like this. But Jaiku might do it.
- Horst Gutmann
from IM
I'm wondering, though: are people who hide the blog feed substracted from the number of subscribers?
- Horst Gutmann
from IM
The easy fix is to disconnect my blog feed from FriendFeed. Otherwise the subscriber numbers are useless. --- So I did. That seems like a bad result for FriendFeed.
- Doug Cornelius
Wow Doug, you chose Feedburner stat purity over FF conversations? That's pretty surprising to me. I suppose you can always tweet your posts into FF if you really want 'em to show up.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
I just deleted my blog feed from FriendFeed... it's a stupid change really... fake, inflated numbers... it's much easier to get a FriendFeed subscriber than a real RSS subscriber. And also a real RSS subscriber is much more likely to take a look at your article than a FriendFeed one.... spammers that want to boost their RSS subscriber numbers will love this though!
- Marko Saric
I can't help but notice that Marko and Doug have 350ish FF comments each. I suppose that shades your perception of this change in a different way than it might for someone who - like me - has orders of magnitude more FF comments than blog posts.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Daniel, the fact that they have a smaller comment count should be concerning to FriendFeed because those are the users they need to keep. People like myself and more active users are not going anywhere.
- Rob Diana
HAHAH - now i see what happened - i don't use my feedburner feed here for CN - but for my other sites I do - so now I see I got about 2,000-2,500 bump for those feeds today - yea, like 2,500 people coming to insidetransit every day - i wish! as Rob says, these numbers are meaningless and shouldn't be reported this way. just like the other "defaults" on some of the other services like google reader. mystery solved.
- Allen Stern
Oh yeah I'm not saying FF should keep the feature as is - it's misleading at best - just that I was surprised that anyone values their Feedburner count over their FF stream's purity.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
So who's really at fault here? FF for taking advantage of Feedburner's poor implementation of subscriber counts or Feedburner for offering the possibility?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Do you think FriendFeed had any idea there would be this many people talking about it?
- Rob Diana
So is it better to turn it off altogether or to make it a toggleable feature that users can choose to use or abuse at their discretion?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
@Rob - Who knows what FF expected, but it's really cool to see discussion evolving around this in a live FF thread. People are being mostly civil and constructive and it's all happening right here on the FF thread. I guarantee you FF HQ is reading this and staying hands off for a few hours until they can figure out a solid response.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Instead of deleting your blog feed from FriendFeed, you could just provide FriendFeed with your actual feed URL instead of the FeedBurner one. (I don't think the feed URL actually gets published anywhere by FriendFeed, does it?)
- Tony Ruscoe
daniel - you cant do that - then x blog says "we have y subs" while z blog says "we have a subs" and x gets the ad deal because they have more subs, etc. sadly advertisers and agencies still don't get that the number is meaningless.
- Allen Stern
@Allen - Most of us here aren't directly making money off of subscriber counts, but I appreciate that this would be an issue of great importance to you.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Daniel: No matter how active you are on FriendFeed, if you think a FriendFeed subscriber is just as valuable to your blog as your RSS subscriber, you are fooling yourself. And I am talking about value to your blog as that is what RSS subscriber number represents, not about relationships / conversations etc. you might have wit hyour "subscriber" on FriendFeed...
- Marko Saric
I think my Friendfeed network is more valuable to me than my blog's readership, but I still keep the blog around for the few unique things it can offer me: A well-developed body of work to point to in professional situations, google juice, and a place to share long-form ideas.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
So if I could get Robert Scoble, Jason Calacanis and Leo Laporte to add my post-every-six months blog to their feeds, does that mean Feedburner would show I have 100K subscribers?
- Ken Sheppardson
This will definitely be abused by spammers who will use it as an opportunity to inflate their RSS numbers and make their blogs seem more important to potential advertisers, readers, subscribers etc who are unaware of this FriendFeed change.
- Marko Saric
Jason Calacanis To Pay Friendfeed $200,000 For Spot on Suggested Users List
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
+1 Daniel
- Allen Stern
There's no reason Twitter couldn't turn around and do the same thing, right? Heck, they could set up a service to automatically tweet your RSS feed over to Twitter on your behalf, then just add the number of Twitter subscribers you have to their stats. I think this is more a Feedburner fail than a FriendFeed issue.
- Ken Sheppardson
Seems like maybe somebody took all the "Have you ditched Google Reader for FriendFeed" threads the wrong way... hm.
- Ken Sheppardson
What about making this optional per feed?
- Horst Gutmann
from IM
Ken, right now Twitter doesn't request any feeds though. Those numbers get into FeedBurner by FriendFeed providing a subscriber count in the USER_AGENT header when they request the feed.
- Tony Ruscoe
It seems logical to me that you're counting people and not tools.
- Mistletoe Glen
I'm surprised Feedburner agreed to this. Next Twitter will ask that followers on their service count as readership.
- Aviv
Aviv - that presumes that FF and FB had a discussion about this. It reads to me like FB always allowed polling agents to specify a subscriber count via their API and that the FF team just decided to change the way they utilize that feature.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
If someone subscribes to your blog feed using Google Reader, it doesn't mean they read it. Likewise, if someone subscribes to your FriendFeed, they may or may not read your blog posts. Subscriber numbers are all about reach. I see no difference between FriendFeed and Google Reader. Your subscribers see what you're posting and decide whether they want to read it. Using web analytics...
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- Tony Ruscoe
tony +1
- Horst Gutmann
from IM
Tony, you're right about RSS subscribers being able to skip over your posts at will but there's still a disctinction to be made between subscribing directly to a blog feed (traditional) versus subscribing to the totality of a person's shared activity (friendfeed). The former implies an explicit interest in the blog, the latter does not. Moreover FF makes it trivial for a user to subscribe to a person and then perma-hide their blog posts if for example you like talking to Louis Gray but not about his blog.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Tony, you have to agree that subscribing on Google Reader means at the very least that right now, at the time of adding that subscription, you have the intention of reading future blog posts. But with FF, I don't think I'm even aware of blogs maintained by 90% of the people I'm subscribed to.
- Aviv
VERY cool.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Daniel, Aviv, good points. But I think that by subscribing to a person, you're generally interested in them and what they have to say. Blogs are merely a subset of that person. The big problem for me is that there's no way to verify that you own a blog feed, so (I think) it will inflate your subscribers if it's added to multiple user accounts and groups even without your permission.
- Tony Ruscoe
To put it another way, should anyone in your field care that your mom reads your blog? We all know she's just doing it because she loves you, not because your blog is so gosh darned wonderful. FF subscribers in FB stats are the same thing - people like *you* and while that might carry over to a limited interest in your blog it certainly doesn't imply that many of them have ever read it.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
I subscribe to blogs of people I know because of who they are (in addition to blogs which interest me) even if I'm not particularly interested in the subject they write about just in case they write something I like. The fact that I know them and like them as a person often means we've got at least one thing in common. And vice versa. I like reading lots of my FriendFeed subscriptions' blogs but I've never subscribed in Google Reader, so FriendFeed is currently the only way they can see me as a statistic.
- Tony Ruscoe
Fb must count only the number of post link shown on FF, exactly how count how much feed google reader download from the blog. it's different that to use the contact number at all. it's possible? i don't know
- Felter Roberto
from twhirl
Innovative. I don't use FeedBurner on my blog, so not seeing the effect. Still relying on the Google Reader count of subscribers.
- Hutch Carpenter
Yet another great reason for a blogger to invest time in the friendfeed community!
- Garin Kilpatrick
So ... if I convince other people to use my blog as one of their fed items, then I pick up the amount of people who are subscribed to them as well? Or create a new account and put a few different blogs on it and get people to subscribe. Or 'trade' a feed for a feed with others to boost each other's counts? The more I think about this, the more I dislike it.
- AJ Kohn
Hmm nice. Just jumped from about 5 to 148 with tobiasverhoog.com I do think though that friendfeeders may read my feed differently than subscribers via Google Reader or another feedreader.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
Uh, maybe it's because I have not had my coffee but where do I see this shiny chart? Friendfeed? Feedburner?
- Rick Cogley
Rick: you can see it in FeedBurner
- Bret Taylor
from email
Bret: thanks. Yes indeed it's there. :-)
- Rick Cogley
and another thing to add onto what Daniel has been saying: hides. if I have 10 FF subscribers but 3 of them are hiding my blog entries, does it report the subscriber to Feedburner as 10, or 7? if it's the former, then the Feedburner stats become really inflated.
- chrisofspades
also, there's nothing in FriendFeed that stops me from importing someone else's blog, which means I can artificially inflate their Feedburner stats without them even knowing I did it. seems ripe for gaming, to me.
- chrisofspades
Right, Chris. As I have 9,000 potential to add to you, I'll start selling slots for $9k.
- Louis Gray
as enticing as that is Louis, I don't have a blog ;)
- chrisofspades
how does it know to link it to your feedburner?
- Gary
Gary, first of all you need to be using FeedBurner for your blog feed. Each time FF requests your feed, they include the number of subscribers in the user agent string. FeedBurner then uses that number to include in the stats for your feed. (If you don't use FeedBurner, you'll still be able to see the stats in your web logs each time your feed is requested.)
- Tony Ruscoe
from fftogo
If people are being exposed to my blog headlines, no matter if it’s on an RSS reader or FriendFeed, they should be counted as potential audience. At the end of the day, the much more important metric to measure is the actual visits to your blog and how often they visit afer that. I've posted some thoughts about it here http://bit.ly/N0jQc
- Jorge Escobar
So that's what happened....
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