"Twitter is over capacity. Too many tweets! Please wait a moment and try again." Didn't know people had so much to say about Charlie Weis
- David Damore
It's been down for at least five minutes already. This is the longest I've seen the fail whale in months.
- Robert Scoble
so are you starting to get the shakes? How long can you go without tweeting?
- Ben Reierson
Responding to high error rate 21 seconds ago Starting about 10 minutes ago, we began experiencing a very high rate of errors and we are working on the underlying problem.
- David Damore
would be more productivity if there was no FF ( twitter backup )
- Mihai Secasiu
So what was trending when it went down?
- phil baumann
Dave - sure. Interesting use case. Definitely spam would be something Google would have to work on.
- phil baumann
not sure what was trending but there was quite a lot of activity on #Spill - in Oz our opposition party is having a meltdown and are spilling the leadership in 30 mins time
- Hilary Talbot
Phil: That was really interesting. Surprised that that shooting never gained traction on Twitter. Did it ever trend? Seems like it was all about Mr. Woods the past few days.... and shopping
- David Damore
Hi everyone. Hope you are all surviving without twitter lol. Great to see you all here.
- snysctt
Glad FF is the backup! </sarcasm> ...seriously though, I'd prefer people do one or the other. I don't reply to most of your comments because you're on Twitter and I refuse to get a Twitter account. Lame service.
- Scott Carmichael
It's ridiculous how much action I'm getting on Xanga for posting this image (via Posterous). People are friending me and commenting left and right. I never really get any action over there. Wow. LOL.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
"Then there are the cloud-enabled feeds I've created from the people I follow on Twitter. Robert Scoble is the Old Faithful of this class. He's updating a lot, all the time. I have a changes.xml for all of these feeds, so you can see who's been updating. "
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I love small groups of developers who are working together to make the web better like this meeting of a bunch of developers. At top is Matt Mullenweg and Dave Winer. This is happening now at Berkeley. Will report more later.
- Robert Scoble
from email
I believe Twitter uses HTTP polling from the client and rate limits it to 150 requests per minute
- Thomas Beutel
Can someone there please tell them they need to fix the IP issue (edit - I see Matt has already mentioned it)
- Nick Lothian
My 2 questions still are 1) How do we make it easy to run inside a firewall and 2) Can servers really scale, especially when I would suspect the potential for "spanning clients"
- Bill Grant
Nick, yeah, it came up early in the meeting (on the audio)
- Matt Mastracci
that should have been "spamming clients"
- Bill Grant
Although noone brought up the specific "datacenter" issue... @glenc also mentioned it was an issue for Yahoo!
- Matt Mastracci
There's also a lack of subscriber verification that needs to be brought up.. all you need to do is get someone to say 200 OK to this protocol and they'll get spammed for 25 hours.
- Matt Mastracci
I must be old fashioned but as a client I prefer asking information and getting it, rather than for the potential of servers all over looking for me
- Bill Grant
WP rssCloud had an issue in 0.2 where you could specify a path of "@otherserver.com/path" and it would subscribe that other server. (fixed in 0.3)
- Matt Mastracci
Someone ask about integrating activitystrea.ms into rssCloud
- Jesse Stay
Jesse - your short domain got redacted too ;)
- Matt Mastracci
Ustream needs to fix that, or we're just not going to post over there
- Jesse Stay
PSHB doesn't have the last mile problem to the same extent as rssCloud, because you can choose IP _AND_ Port to subscribe, which will work better for NAT traversal.
- Nick Lothian
Robert, that's Joseph Scott from Salt Lake City - tell him hi for me
- Jesse Stay
what is Facebook using for their updates? or are clients like Seesmic just polling?
- Thomas Beutel
Jesse - I've had it work before. But even a basic search online isn't allowing links through. Normally moderators/admins have permissions under that widget by the send button in Ustream. They changed the defaults about a month ago - and nothing shows under the settings.
- Courtney Engle
Courtney, yeah, it's a pain in the neck - I've had the same problems with shows I've administered
- Jesse Stay
I'd like to hear more about naming (.tel?). I was also thinking about reverse lookups, i.e. resolve the feed from the identifier and vice-versa (for the benefit of the cloud and feeds it produces for indexers etc)?
- Andy Chantrill
discovery for atom is very easy ... - I see Matt M. just posted the info
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Why are they discussing a new namespace? It's already supported.
- Matt Mastracci
Maybe not now, but I'd really love to see some discussion on activitystrea.ms - if you want Facebook or MySpace that's the way to get them in
- Jesse Stay
I noticed Feedburner hid the places they ping a few months before PSHB came through. Wondered why that was put threw a few pings into my WP sites manually
- Courtney Engle
I think the discussion here is almost just as interesting (and possibly more) than what's going on in the room. I wish we had more of them participating.
- Jesse Stay
Yeah, it kinds of sucks that there's a wall between the two. Something to keep in mind for future meetings
- Matt Mastracci
BTW, Robert, Joseph Scott (the guy from SLC) is the guy that wrote the rssCloud Wordpress plugin. He works for Automattic.
- Jesse Stay
@bear - why do you say that? A rssCloud consumer just gets the whole feed. Obviously it needs to know what to do with it, but that's the case anyway.
- Nick Lothian
And aside, seriously PSHB > rssCloud for many reasons. I don't see a reason to create two "standards". I'd LOVE to understand why Wordpress opted for rssCloud.
- directeur
isn't activitystrea.ms format a different namespace than rss and/or atom?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Good luck with Bluehost - I know people that work there and their service is horrible!
- Jesse Stay
Matt - a wide angle webcam would be spiffy for future meetings - or TalkShoe/BlogTalkRadio to just use audio only works well.
- Courtney Engle
nick - wait - so an rsscloud update is the whole feed?!? not just a single payload item of the latest history?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Nick, I don't think so, it just gets a notification, not the feed
- directeur
bear: rssCloud subscribers get a simple ping (POST url=blah) and are expected to scrape the whole feed themselves.
- Matt Mastracci
Matt - thanks for setting up ustream, good to listen in to this discussion...
- Bill Grant
rssCloud is a ping, and the client goes out and retrieves the whole feed I believe.
- Jesse Stay
@Nick when PSHB does that, that is from the publisher to the hub? or all the way to a single client?
- Bill Grant
I just asked Matt why he went with RSSCloud. He said "it seems like a good thing to do." he also said they will do PubSubHubub too.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
That makes sense - I would do both too if I were them. Let the aggregators decide.
- Jesse Stay
Bingo, competition is always a good thing.
- Jeremy Felt
It's a shame that the IP address endpoint question wasn't answered. That makes it a non-starter for Google, Yahoo and anyone else with a distributed datacenter.
- Matt Mastracci
I'd love to also see more support towards OMB - I really like that protocol
- Jesse Stay
@Bill Grant - it's only from the hub to the client. It retrieves the feed from the original server in the same way as rssCloud (ie, gets a ping, and then grabs the feed). However, you can chain PSHB Hub servers together, so only one needs to respond to the ping (not sure if rssCloud supports that or not?)
- Nick Lothian
just had a rush of ideas - man I need a day job that just lets me code on social web stuff.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
@matt - your blog post is almost the same as I was thinking. xmpp pubsub back-end with a PubSubHB and/or rssCloud front-end
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
bear, yeah. I implemented a gateway from Pubsubhubbub to XMPP this morning (last night?) as a proof of concept here: http://pubsubhubbub-xmpp.appspot.com/ It's unlikely you'd get that working in rssCloud because of the subscription API limitations, thought.
- Matt Mastracci
@bear SRV records for subscription endpoints? So if I'm plaggypig.tel, I could just set up a bunch of records for all the aggregators/services that I want to use, rather than the cloud assuming it should be the source of my request?
- Andy Chantrill
andy - I was mentioning SRV as the way to broadcast the XRDS or other list of endpoints on your service. This gives a way for people behind firewalls to advertise internal services. But I could also be completely not grok'ing how rsscloud info flows.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
@bear Why use XRD documents when DNS is right there? $ dig rss.andy.tel NAPTR; I thought you meant using SRV records as well to define my subscription endpoints (I could have several).
- Andy Chantrill
andy - then it sounds like i'm making an assumption that isn't matching reality - I still haven't done a test implementation yet of rsscloud so apologies if i'm clouding the issue
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
bear - rssCloud and Pubsubhubbub are both based on opt-in (via HTTP POST) notifications that happen via HTTP POST whenever content is updated or changed. The publisher notifies the hub via HTTP whenever content changes, and the hub then notifies the subscribers.
- Matt Mastracci
Just realized that the IP restriction thing means rssCloud can't work with virtual hosting (ie, anywhere more than one domain is hosted on a server). Found that out when trying to implement it. Yay.
- Nick Lothian
Great now I have many more questions than answers. Thanks for the conversation on the details of the distribution systems gents.
- Mark Essel
Re "One thing, though. I actually like the bigger photo and no map." -- I added a setting on the site integration page to make thumbnails be max FriendFeed size (height 175px). You can always turn off maps with phone options.
- Bruce Lewis
LOL! I didn't even see that, Ayse! If this wasn't a speech before Congress, somebody would probably be about to catch an ass whoopin....
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Rah, did you watch the speech? (Edit: if not, it's worth a look.) This was exactly after Wilson yelled out. Obama was amazingly cool, keeping himself in check. I was furious! It all makes O look better though. Impressive control. And I love how many times I've seen this pic now. Someone on FF posted a laser-eyes version. Ha. They could srsly have neutralized Wilson with these looks. *poof*
- Ayşe E.
Oh yeah, I watched it live. He didn't say anything, but if looks could kill...LOL
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Obama's response was exactly what the situation called for. Just sufficient to show how pathetic Wilson's outburst was, but not breaking his own mode of control. Of course Wilson will no doubt be on the short list for 2012 now! (And that would be just fine, I say!)
- Mark Jepsen
So many blogs, so little time. If you feel like the blogosphere is passing you by, check out Regator, a new app that culls the Web's best posts. An offshoot of the eponymous Web service, Regator (agg-regator, get it?) differs from traditional RSS feed readers in that it doesn't rely on you to choose the blogs you want to follow. Instead, the app employs "qualified human editors" to bring you "topical, well-written, frequently updated, and relevant" posts. In other words, the cream of the blogosphere crop, at least according to these guys. You can browse the posts any number of ways, starting with "popular" items from the Web at large or looking within a couple dozen specific topics (from Academics to "What the?"). Regator also provides a full directory of more than 500 topics, so you can really drill into the areas that interest you most. (Beekeeping? Check. Museums? Check.) The obligatory Search option taps Regator's mammoth archive of handpicked posts, meaning you're not limited to...
- Chris Twellman
So many blogs, so little time. If you feel like the blogosphere is passing you by, check out Regator, a new app that culls the Web's best posts. An offshoot of the eponymous Web service, Regator (agg-regator, get it?) differs from traditional RSS feed readers in that it doesn't rely on you to choose the blogs you want to follow. Instead, the app employs "qualified human editors" to bring you "topical, well-written, frequently updated, and relevant" posts. In other words, the cream of the blogosphere crop, at least according to these guys. You can browse the posts any number of ways, starting with "popular" items from the Web at large or looking within a couple dozen specific topics (from Academics to "What the?"). Regator also provides a full directory of more than 500 topics, so you can really drill into the areas that interest you most. (Beekeeping? Check. Museums? Check.) The obligatory Search option taps Regator's mammoth archive of handpicked posts, meaning you're not limited to...
"Thanks Scott. Was just playing around with the Regator app last night trying it's email function to post links to Posterous. I'll let you know how I like it."
- Tac Anderson