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Heather Piwowar
What is considered the best-practice copyright for published papers? CC-BY? CC0? I need to know what sentence to add to conference publication: "You should add in your own copyright information, as you are NOT transferring copyright to ASIST."
Yup, I think CC-BY would be fine... but I want to be more than fine LOL. Might as well take this opportunity to clearly state that the raw data is available under CC0, for example. But where is the boundary between raw data and the article? So if I'm willing, would it be appropriate to just make the whole article CC0? - Heather Piwowar
I don't see why not, Heather. Regardless of the license, it would be a clear violation of community norms for someone to re-use a chunk of your text or any of your ideas or data without attribution (including, if appropriate, citation). I doubt that it would occur to 99.999% of researchers to use something without citation, even if (as most of 'em won't be) they are aware that a CCZero license makes it legal to do so. - Bill Hooker
And if I'm wrong, we (open foo types) need to know about it -- although it would suck to be the guinea pig in that case. - Bill Hooker
CC0 - why not? @Bill, you say on your blog re "you_cannot_steal_this_weblog": "To the extent possible under law, I have waived all copyright and related or neighboring rights to this weblog. This work is published from the United States. Further information." http://www.sennoma.net/ - what made you add this note of caution (asks someone non-US-based), also seen it on Cameron's blog http://cameronneylon.net/about...: "To the extent possible under law, Cameron Neylon has waived all copyright and related or neighboring rights to Science in the Open. Published from the United Kingdom." - Claudia Koltzenburg
I think CCZero may scare people. I would suggest: "All copyright material in this work is made available under a CC-BY 3.0 licence. For avoidance of doubt all shown data and graphs are made available under a CCZero Public Domain Waiver. The author asserts their moral rights to be identified as the creator of this work." - Cameron Neylon
And you can always suggest that people could make the whole thing CCZero if they choose. Point them at my BL collection piece for an argument for that if you like...http://cameronneylon.net/blog... - Cameron Neylon
I really like that combined version, Cameron, thanks - Claudia Koltzenburg
The CCZero bit is a little clumsy but what I'm trying to say is. All non-copyright stuff is public domain (which should be obvious) and just to be clear we're making a wide intepretation of what is data (essentially any data, table, or graph - but probably not including images or figures which people are more sensitive about I suspect). - Cameron Neylon
v2 "All copyright material in this work is made available under a CC-BY 3.0 licence. For avoidance of doubt all data, graphs, and tables, and their contents are made available under a CCZero Public Domain Waiver. The author asserts their moral rights to be identified as the creator of this work." - Software should be separate as well probably but I'm assuming that's a relatively small issue here. - Cameron Neylon
Helpful. I think "moral rights" will scare and confuse people. How about "All copyrightable material in this work is released under a CC-BY 3.0 licence. All data in the article and supplementary material, interpreted inclusively, is naturally available under a CCZero waiver. Please attribute according to academic norms." - Heather Piwowar
You think moral rights might scare people? Interesting - never occurred to me because its quite common in a lot of books. The only problem with your text is that in many jurisdictions if you don't explicitly assert moral rights you don't get them (I think, I'm getting more and more confused about this...) - Cameron Neylon
I don't even know what "moral rights" are in this context, I'm ashamed to admit. I do think mentioning them instills fear and doubt though, and chills the "yup, do what you want with it, you don't have to second-guess yourself" message. So maybe I'm happy to not assert them and not get them as part of that tradeoff. Now off to go look up what they are. - Heather Piwowar
Moral rights are mainly the right to be credited as the author and creator and not to have your work misrepresented (except for the purposes of satire or irony which are protected I believe). So here people are actually protecting the right to be credited for the data (although it may not actually apply - what is not clear to me is whether you can only have moral rights in copyrightable material) even tho it is being made available under a CCZero - Cameron Neylon
I love examples: "Moral rights in Canada were famously exercised in the case of Snow v. The Eaton Centre Ltd. In this case Toronto Eaton Centre, a large shopping mall, had commissioned the artist Michael Snow for a sculpture of Canada Geese. Snow successfully stopped Eaton's from decorating the geese with bows at Christmas." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - Heather Piwowar
So people's big concerns are usually being credited and not having stuff misrepresented or taken out of context. In principle asserting moral rights creates some protections from that without screwing around with people's ability to use stuff. - Cameron Neylon
Hang on, is this a recommendation for the conference in general or just for your own paper? I may have this backwards. If you're just doing this for yourself then feel free to go the full blown CCZero route and tell people you can do whatever they like. I was thinking this was something you had to sell to a whole conference of people...hence the prevaricating around protecting things... - Cameron Neylon
Just my own paper. Though useful thought experiment for the whole conference, in this case just my paper. I want to be the change I want to see... I just don't know for sure what that change is. There is something to be said for modelling a non-extreme approach there too. will think. thanks for comments, very helpful. - Heather Piwowar
It would certainly be nice to have a clear form of words that would be the kind of thing a lot of people could sign up to. I see using CCZero on the blog as aiming to shift the Overton [sp?] window - Cameron Neylon
I'm leaning towards this. "All copyrightable material in this work is released under a CC-BY 3.0 licence. All data in the article and supplementary material, interpreted inclusively, are naturally available under a CCZero waiver. Please attribute according to academic norms." Critiques welcome if it is misleading or unclear? - Heather Piwowar
ok, and maybe a sentence about "moral rights" grrr I wish it had a less scary name :) - Heather Piwowar
I don't think its necessary. I've just been wondering whether it could help assuage some fears. I think your reaction shows that it might well not... ;-) Academic norms is good to as it references some of the CC work on norms and creating them. - Cameron Neylon
phewph! The unfamiliarity might be a regional thing... reading wikipedia, it sounds like moral rights have low visibility in the US compared to Europe. Now re-read that... see it totally needs a new name. heh. - Heather Piwowar
Well that explains it. thx! Cameron, good to know though that even with your across-the-pond hat on you wouldn't think it necessary. - Heather Piwowar
I think that, for U.S. work, mentioning "moral rights" at all will just confuse the issue--as Dorothea says, there's no such thing in U.S. copyright or patent law, and I (for example) haven't the vaguest idea how they would apply: Can I stop you from using my CC-BY material in a manner I find offensive? CC0 for data, CC-BY for text should (I would think) handle almost everything. - Walt Crawford
@Claudia, the text of my CC0 waiver declaration is taken directly from the Creative Commons site -- that's how they recommend that you word it. My best guess is that, because things like moral rights and database rights and so on are so very variable from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, the wording is designed to make things as obvious as possible. I include the "further info" link to the "you cannot steal" entry to make things even more obvious. It's actually *difficult* to give up copyright, because it inheres automatically in the act of creation, so it takes a separate legal action to divest oneself of it. - Bill Hooker
Heather, we planned to do CC-BY on our ASIS&T paper as well. However, a closer look at the rights form made me think that this can't work. They require that before and for 90 days after publication you "promise not to publish this Work elsewhere...*or grant permission to others to publish this Work*...without our advance permission." - Jason Priem
So as I understand it, they give you the copyright, but make you temporarily sign away some of those rights--rights that you need in order to make it CC. Our plan is to play that game, then change the copyright to CC after the 90 days are up. IANAL, so I may have it all mixed up. I'd love to hear if I'm missing something. - Jason Priem
Useful, Jason, thanks. I hadn't got that far yet. I wonder if it is legit to write something like "Effective Jan 1, 2011 this work is released under CC-BY" etc? - Heather Piwowar
Yeah, that's not a bad idea. Wish I'd have thought of that. Oh well, I'll have the self-archived one that'll be CC, so as least it's free somewhere. And it'll be in the ACM digital library this year, which at least makes it somewhat more accessible... - Jason Priem
I don't think you need to worry too much. If you put CC-BY on the copy they publish then _that copy_ is CC-BY (and people can re-use as they wish). If you have a separate contractual agreement with them not to publish it separately for six months that is an entirely different issue to copyright. For instance, you could later release a copy that was all rights reserved (why you'd do that I don't know but there is nothing stopping you). You are presumably binding yourself by contract not to separately publish any copy over the six month time period so weasel ways such as taking the CC-BY copy that they publish and re-publishing would be dubious (as always, I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice yada yada...). - Cameron Neylon
@Bill <-- thanks - Claudia Koltzenburg
@Cameron, thank you, that clarifies a great deal. Would you think it is still fair game to put CC-BY on the copy they publish if I also must agree agree *not to grant permission to others to publish this Work* for 90 days? Putting CC-BY on any copy is granting that permission? - Heather Piwowar
It is. I hadn't noticed that little corner. Not sure. Put it in as ccby and see what the response is? Seems strange they would ask you to think about copyright and then prevent you from using the best licenses... - Cameron Neylon from Android
they're going in the ACM DL this year instead of Wiley? that's cool. - Christina Pikas