I've been using the Beta for a while now. It took a bit of getting used to, but they've honed the look over the past few weeks and now I love it. - Martin Bryant
much prefer somafm. its the mix. it's driven by people not machines. - tom flemming
"Thanks :) The previous design had 3 columns as well - but the main post area was very narrow - this layout allows me to write more without filling up the entire front page" - riaz
I'm waiting for it to support Jabber before I'll start to use it. I don't need yet another walled off chat network especially since not enough of my friends use it to make it worthwhile. - David Recordon
I havent but my non tech friends are all using it - to the detriment of IM clients - riaz
Like others have said, once there's (non-beta) support for it in Adium, XMPP, or whatever that means I can use it in my normal IM, I'm all for it. - Cote'
what isn’t to like? I get the feeling you don’t want communication… if so… go watch television. - Noah David Simon
Noah David Simon, I don't know what you mean. I haven't owned a television in 10+ years, but I hear that many people IM while they watch TV! - Marshall Kirkpatrick
I used FB chat to talk to people I hadn't talked to in years. Then I stopped when it occurred to me that I didn't really care. - Dan Kaplan
where you just watching TV now Marshall, because I think I was pretty clear. I'm on facebook and friendfeed to communicate... not a vanity feed - Noah David Simon
I rarely use the chat, I use the chat popup just to see who is online! - Joe Dawson
I've never used it. Don't even know how to find it. - David Parmet via twhirl
I like foaf dave because most of my friends here seem to have thoughtful friends - let's me sample and find new associations/friends - but that's just me - I've also found a few that needed blocking to which helps carve out the cancer :-p - mike "glemak" dunn
i wouldnt have seen this if the foaf option was off.. not that i can see how to turn it off! It seems to work well in that I can see the popular posts of some of the noisier people without subscribing to them :) - riaz
it's good to do now and then, but if I cared about that much of what the foaf people said, they'd be my friends. I'm not generally leaving it on. - Dave Slusher
There's a link at the bottom of the page that lets you see what's hidden on the current page. You can click that without going through hiding/unhiding. - Jason Wehmhoener
If I hid Friend-of-Friends, I would have missed out on discovering some really great people. - Akiva Moskovitz
Echoing Akiva. That's how I've found many of the people I subscribe to. - Jordan Hofker
Bully for y'all. You do it your way, I'll do it mine. - Dave Slusher
The great thing about friends of friends is that I can use my friends as very intelligent filters – I only see fof items that are liked or commented on by my friends and that often makes them interesting to me. - Ole Begemann
Just chiming in to say that "Bully for you" is vastly underused in modern society. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who uses it from time to time. - James Williams
james: dave used the southern version "bully for ya'll" its a british derivative but just as effective ;) - mike "glemak" dunn
I have foafs hidden as well, Dave. I find reading their comments (on posts like these *grin*) gives me enough info to make fairly informed decisions about who to subscribe to all by itself. - Ken Kennedy
Ken, I'm with you. Having too little information queued up and too few friends to read is not a problem I have. For those that do, have at it! - Dave Slusher
I hope it will be only Friendfeed soon. Doesn't anybody else get tired of all these different kind of networks? Sometimes monopoly is a good thing. Let's all head over to MSN ;-) - Rutger Blom via twhirl
mine is a little more extreme - friendfeed mostly & twitter rarely - i do push my ff's to twitter & i check my twitter replies & dm sometimes - i would like to get to the point where all my friends are in friendfeed and i no longer need to go to twitter at all - i used to like whales ;) - mike "glemak" dunn
Agree. They are different and both ueful in different ways. I see no need to choose between them just yet. I'm using Plurk too, which is different again - very informal conversation. - jjprojects
Disagree. Reason? Time. I don't have time for multiple services. For me, right now at least, it's FF. - Steve Rubel
You don't need one to use the other but they sure are handy to use together - JohnBfromMemphis via twhirl
Haven't maid up my mind yet, but it seems that the different services and their approaches fill different needs. Undecided for now! - tekspectator
Exactly! Why does it have to be "either" "or"? - Steve
I definitely agree. It is frustrating to have people insist one is better than the other. Two totally different beasts. - Shawn Farner via twhirl
could not agree more. probably the best twitter, FF comment in a long time. - Bastian
Agree! At this point, FF's comment functionality isn't good enough to replace Twitter for me. With Twhirl, it doesn't seem like tool overload to use both. - jen robinson via twhirl
Apart from twitter's SMS interface.. what is missing (for you) in FF? @ ? - Kishore Balakrishnan
Its FF only. reaons against Twitter : (a) Twitter whaling to often (b) not easy to track/thread twitter replies together. FOR FF (1) FF stable (2) FF Conov enabler/agggreagator (3) I like it better :)- - Peter Dawson
An integrated solution with both would be best. Twittering out of FriendFeed - that's my dream! - Matthias Schwenk
Oh definitely agree. They are symbiotic beasts - Deepak
Agree absolutely, when social media tools complement, the sum become greater than the parts - Charlie Hope via twhirl
@ Matthias you can comment back from FF in Twitter already... - Charlie Hope via twhirl
and, and, and... there's Utterz, Flickr, blog, etc. etc. etc. -- so, yes. It all goes together. FriendFeed has a chance to become a hub (the way Twitter is foe me now, but more so), if it can somehow tame itself - Doug Haslam via twhirl
Funny how this comes to my attention now as Twitter is not updating for me, but FF is. I love how I can reply to FF via @Twhirl. That is a dynamic combintion. - Tracy Lee Carroll via twhirl
@Matthias I wonder if someone has created a tool that takes your own FF posts and makes a tweet from it? You'd need to turn off tweets in FF otherwise there would be a feedback loop that would eventually destroy the universe. - Elliot Tucker
elliot: twitterfeed does that, put in your ff atom feed and remove your twitter feed from ff - mike "glemak" dunn
Agree....finally somebody comes out and says it as it should be said :) - Arjun
it's both right now - if you have group of people in Twitter then it is both - otherwise the conversation is moving more into friendfeed on a greater range of topics so for those not so tied to twitter it is twitter or friendfeed - riaz
Disagree. Twitter has crossed the line. It is dead to me and too much of the time it is dead to everyone. - Dave Slusher
I kind of agree. There's too much noise on FriendFeed to have simple, conversational, exchanges. - Bill Bittner
If Twitter doesn't get its act together, it will be FriendFeed and no Twitter. I'm revisiting FriendFeed today after a nice hiatus - Michael Koby via Alert Thingy
This is be being real: I love Twitter, and don't get me wrong, I think FriendFeed is cool, too.. but I think Facebook will ultimately adopt the killer features of both and wipe them out. - Shawn Farner via twhirl
Agree; tell me though, does Pownce = Twitter + FriendFeed [or vice-versa] or am I just being thick? Twhirl posts to Pownce for me as well, but taking Rafe Needleman's advice and not tracking multiple communities. FF good for posts too long for Twitter - Justin Guy Souter via twhirl
FriendFeed > Twitter for me. I feel more value when I post here first. - (steve isaacs)
agree, and, in between Twitter and Friendfeed , many other indispensible things are included. - Nikos Anagnostou
Both - but grudgingly. Honestly? The only reason I go to FF is because some of my Twitterpals migrated here and won't come back. Twitter is my main gal - FF is my Friday night stand-in. If I could do away with FF I would. - Lucretia Pruitt
Twitter is too myopic to last much longer. Our online lives are a lot more complicated than 140 characters. - David Weiner
How much time to we all have?? There are use cases for both twitter and friend feed. Some people WILL choose one or the other. There are functional aspects that i like about both. For me it is both. - Rodney Rumford
Its neither - it's what fits your structure and how you want to connect. If you want actual conversations and build on relationpships, IMO, Plurk is good at that. FF seems too cluttered but aggregates a lot information together. Twitter is still good for me and is a great broadcast tool, some communication, and a lot of industry heads that you can learn from. - Sonny Gill
What the heck, throw in Plurk and you got a deal. - Rick Wolff
It's becoming less and less so. I'd much rather have one service I can do it all on and FriendFeed satisfies that much better. Twitter still has things FF doesn't though so for what FF doesn't satisfy, I will continue to use Twitter for. - Jesse Stay via twhirl
I suppose I could go with the AND if FF offered a pure stream like twitter. I really don't like the threaded conversation presentation ... but maybe that's because I mostly use twirl? - Clint
You're almost right. I get what you're getting at. But the two are different and will grow separate paths with some common features. - phil baumann
phil, if they do grow in separate paths, that's great! I'll continue using both! However, I will not continue to use both for the same reasons. I'm removing the duplicate effort lately and consolodating what I can over to FriendFeed, leaving the remaining effort to Twitter. - Jesse Stay via twhirl
My other concern is that Twitter just doesn't have the expertise up high to make it a successful service. You will see the FF founders frequently engaged in conversations about FF on their service. I have yet to see a single Twitter founder engage in any of the critiques or compliments about their service on Twitter. - Jesse Stay via twhirl
FF ideal for social discovery as long as folks hooking up enough of their services. I like the "noise" of FF. - Stephen Francoeur
...and Plurk, and Facebook, and Pownce, and Jaiku, and more to come. Twitter for its simplicity and all the add-on apps and all the others for conversations or smaller groups with specific interests. - Brenda Young
“I didn't realize how much I missed Google Reader. Reading items there I feel a lot smarter than after just reading headlines in FriendFeed. I definitely need to rebalance my reading between the two. Anyone else feel that way?”
Love Google Reader. I end up with both news and insights that I never would have gotten anywhere else. - BISQ
I can't seem to get away from Google Reader. There's so much interesting stuff in it that haven't been shared to Friendfeed yet. With Toluu, I'm finding more and more things that I like, and just haven't made their rounds on Friendfeed. - Mark Trapp
I feel like if I don't listen to NPR in the monring I miss the news all together. If I just read the things i see on FF or Twitter I get a whole lot of random web news but not much whole world news. - Whit Scott via twhirl
I always read through Google reader before coming to FriendFeed in the morning. - Louis Gray
I read everything through Google Reader. - Josue Sanchez
Google Reader seems to offer me more control over what I see. Also -- much more variety. FriendFeed offers a wider range of subjects. (Content developers don't need to subscribe to FriendFeed.) Plus -- anything Google I am a fan of. - Charles Barthold
Absolutely. FriendFeed has a bit of a swiss army knife feel to it at the moment, with lots of folks trying to using it to replace a bunch of specialized tools like feed readers, forums/threaded comment systems, IM, etc. - Ken Sheppardson
FF has really cut into my feed reading time. I need to rebalance, too. - Harvey Simmons
yeah FF is just grabbing more and more of my attention - Stefan Hayden
Exactly. Feedfeed is great catching trends but I learn more from my regular readings in Google Reader. - Leon Ho
I used to hit FeedDemon in the morning after email, but now Snackr and Netvibes (thanks to Marshall Kirkpatrick's suggestion) let me get the quick hits and news. I glance at FriendFeed via Twhirl as it ticks by just to see what's up. - Tris Hussey via NoiseRiver
Yeah, but I don't necessarily agree that it is Google Reader as much as it's an RSS reader of your choice, with my choice being NetNewsWire. - Andru Edwards
There's something about seeing the full text of an item that makes reading feeds much more satisfying (and more efficient, because here in FF I have to click on interesting headlines and wait for the item to load to read it). - Robert Scoble
Actually, at this point I prefer SocialMedian - it gives me a fast view w/ summaries - Lucretia Pruitt
What is it about FF that makes it addictive - that (1) people like it (2) but they still think they are using it too much? Maybe other social media startups need to figure out what the FriendFeed-juice is? - Mitchell Tsai
The key to Google Reader is balancing volume with quality. I'd rather follow many feeds that have only a few entries per day than those that have dozens. - Georg
I am using a mixture of FF/Google Reader and Netvibes - riaz
Feedly is quite nice when I can get it to work through my corp proxy. - Greg
Yes, this is why I really like the practice of using the "Share with a note" feature in Google Reader to quote a relevant part from the original content so that it can appear as a summary comment here on FF - Vlado Handziski
I moved all my RSS reads to Feedly. It's foundation is Google Reader, but served up in a magazine format. I can get through it in less than half the time as directly through GR. - Bob Finch
Google reader, for sure. I like FF for the random stuff it throws at me that I can follow up on somewhere else, but I need Google to feel caught up on the things I need. - K Welch
Good lord, Robert -- I never left Google Reader. GR is vastly more efficient for processing news feeds than Friendfeed. With a few tweaks, FF could bring itself up the level of GR, but so far we haven't seen much feedback from FF developers regarding these suggestions. My lead folder in GR is a stream of pure gold with no dross or distracting trivia. - Sean McBride
FriendFeed is more about specific people. Google Reader is more about feeds in general. We all need to balance the specific and the general. - Mike Abundo
Would you rather have a sandwich or a snickers bar for lunch? I love the snickers bar, but most days I will definitely choose the sandwich, if I must choose. - J. Phil
I'm a netvibes man, it enables me to peruse 90+ article titles on one page/tab and I have 7 tabs. The sharing option on Google Reader makes me jealous though. - Toby Graham
For me, FF is good for tech geek stuff, but my GReader is much more science focused so I balance the two probably more in favour of GReader atm - Sally Church
At one time, I tried reading all my feeds through FriendFeed, but quickly returned to Google Reader...they serve different purposes. - Chris Rossini
Starting to use Feedly rather than GReader - it's perfect, stops me reading so many articles without being boring. I looooove it! - Richard Bradshaw
I find that I read articles on FF that don't show up in Google Reader and everything else in Reader. - Roberto Bonini
Totally. Plus I have full text and robust filing systems. - Steve Rubel via fftogo
Pretty surprised that you even considered ditching a newsreader to begin with. Sure you're feeling ok? - David Chartier
Google reader is my main RSS feed reader. I'm totally addicted. I just added Feedly and now I get recommeded feeds which add another dimension of social news aggregation. - Larry Kless via twhirl
I spend quality time in Google Reader. Try Feedly. It displays your Google subscriptions nicely. - Michael Tefft
Feedly & FriendFeed are the ticket, gReader alone seems like a one sided conversation. - Roger Penguino
Yes. I find myself scanning FF for blog posts. - Andy C
I'm all about the netvibes: www.netvibes.com/kdoohan - Kevin Doohan
I honestly don't know what I did before Reader. It is the best thing out there for me, for sure. Plus I can use it on my phone! - Ann Coleman
I can't stand gReader's inability to start FF-style "conversations" around shared items. And I can't convince my gReader buddies to move over to FF :( - Jake
I've abandoned Google Reader and all RSS Readers at this point. Traditional RSS readers are dead as far as I'm concerned. Social filters are much better at delivering content than RSS readers. Every second spent in an RSS reader is a second spent away from a socially filtered news and information experience. - Thomas Hawk
Thomas Hawk: I think that you are right. This is why all RSS readers have evolved towards social filters. Let's not forget that Google Reader invented the concept of shared feeds. - Edwin Khodabakchian
If you subscribe to the right feeds and blogs, you get a better perspective on the topics you care about. That's something that these services can quite do it as good as a feed reader. - Jay Cruz
did You try Feedly? It works with GReader, great! - Luca Conti
Its like reading a newspaper and talking about it. One won't replace the other, so I'm happy with the serious Google Reader _and_ the friendly cosy FF. Thanks to "best of day" I can balance the time spent with both. Not sure I want one app to rule them all :) for now, a mix of GR and FF is quite ok. - Dani Radu
I'll have to give feedly another look, but lately I've been subscribing to my FF RSS feed in gReader, so almost best of both worlds in one - nick carrasco
Hey now that you're reading feeds again, how about doing a shared item feed just for new tech products, or features of tech products, or reviews of tech products, even ones that aren't new. I promise I'll use the feed and give you credit of course. I'm going to ask Marshall to do one too (I bet he already does). - Dave Winer
I jump between the two anyway, I wouldn't abandon one over the other as they both have many plus points!! - Joe Dawson
yes, deep breath. as awesome as friendfeed is, it's not going to replace google reader, it's not going to replace twitter, it's not going to replace _______ . it makes all these services more useful, but you need a starting point. google reader is one of them. - MG Siegler
Google reader, never leave home without it! Friendfeed is definitely not a replacement. I see feeds on my reader that don't make it to the Friendfeed universe. - Alexander van Elsas
Although, I use GR less, I could never do away with it. FriendFeed does help a lot because I find myself marking a lot of stuff read (wish there was an easier way to do that) and being able to move on to to other content. - Shey
None of these services are an either or thing. They joy is in how they all work together. - m.0
can't get enough of Google Reader especially when I can find more exciting, techy blogs in the "Discover" section which I cannot live without. In respects to reading Friendfeed headlines, I don't really see this site as a news site. More as a conversation ABOUT the news! - Josh Chandler
I suffered your pain. Then, as some kind of experiment, I spent some time creating imaginary friends and tweeking feeds and the list of people and rooms I subscribe here. Awsome, now I cannot think about swapping FriendFeed by something else like an RSS reader. I still have to better manage my FF, specially trying to reduce the noise, but this is definitively better than the "old way"... - Marcos Marado via fftogo
I just found 44 items from you on your Google Reader shared items feed. I guess you're back. :) Google Reader allows me to more easily see things from a particular person; if I had to rely on finding them in their FriendFeeds, I'd probably miss them. - Ontario Emperor
I don't know if I feel smarter when reading google's reader, but I feel like I am smart when reading it. - Mike
@Robert start using feedly with Firefox 3. Now that feedly has integrated Friendfeed into their plugin, I'll never leave Google Reader. - Chris Rodgers
Robert - a combination of http://mionews.com + creating a private room with your RSS feeds in it may get you best of both worlds. Though I know you don't like that mioNews isn't a river-of-news, but we're working on that :) - Patrick Lightbody
I feel the same and I like it even if you did not like me saying thanks to friends saying that they liked my roadmap video - Loic Le Meur
Yes, I'm reading both. I read a lot more than I have time to share, but it helps to have both Google & FF formats available. - Cathryn Hrudicka
I'm using both, but for different purposes. Add Feedly, which is getting some of my casual browsing. - Chris Baskind
I agree but the issue is if I find something there and want to then ind the conversation here about that post I can not easily do so. I can post my own link but it would be nice to find the relevant posts here for any given item in my Google Reader. - Joel Ordesky
I've been wandering away from Reader for a while. See too many headlines that don't interest me. - shelisrael1
I've always felt that Reader did a fantastic job of presenting the content I want to read. - Trevor Carpenter
I tried giving up reader for a day - FF just doesn't replace what an rss reader can provide - Jesse Stay
They serve two totally different functions in my workflow. Google Reader gives me the news from the outlets I value while FriendFeed gives the news (and other stuff) of the people I value (I wouldn't consider all you internet celebs friends, sorry!). FriendFeed complements Google Reader. - Dennis Laumen
Yes. In fact, I read my Friendfeed through GoogleReader. For me, FF is a subset of Google Reader. Just another "Outlet." - Francine Hardaway
FF is great for finding things you may have missed in GReader, but it's no replacement. - Sarah Perez
Adding my 2 cents to the many comments here - I read both - Google Reader is a must for me and I don't see anything replacing it. FF is the conversation for me. - Kevin Cearns
GR is news, FF is conversation. They serve different purposes for me. - brian junyor via twhirl
GR is daily homework, FF is hanging around with friends - Nikos Anagnostou
get the cream from Friendfeed and then go on with gReader - Dobromir Hadzhiev
Absolutely, I get my best ideas from some of the great feeds I subscribe to. I realize too that I tweet and share much less when I don't go through my reader. - Sonciary Honnoll
I've changed my wallpaper when the new NIN album came out, but I've seldom looked at it. It's all covered in windows (er, not Windows), all the time. - Zio Bonino
I alternate pictures of my 16 months old nephew and pics of Chris Paterson (btw, at the moment I have CP kicking a penalty on this computer)... ;) - giorgia
Wallpaper images most often come courtesy of the genius of Trey Ratcliffe - Stuck in Customs. - Stephen Pierzchala
A few times a year. I find images on National Geographic or from movie websites. Right now I have Kung Fu Panda :) - Rachel Rubin
once a year, usually photos of my family - Erik via twhirl
interesting q - i reckon I change it 3-4 times a year once probably in the summer and again in the winter - the other 2 are probably more adhoc - riaz
I don't use wallpaper - just set it to a pleasant color. I'm not sure how different OSes handle it - if they're smart they'd get it stored onto video memory but otherwise it's gonna take up my precious RAM. - Wil
I change mine almost every day. Most of the images come from flickr wallpaper groups or interfacelift/deviantart.. - Robert Occhialini
I change it every couple of months, using some image I like from my Flickr stream - Aaron B. Hockley
I don't change backgrounds often, probably once a year or more seldom. Most of the time they're covered in windows (though with transparent backgrounds... with other windows behind), so it doesn't really matter much. My current wallpaper is something my friend drew in Photoshop. =) - Daniel Bruce
maybe every 2 months or so. I use Images of the Day from Wikipedia typically for my images. - Tim Cooper
one time a month, with the stunning calendar wallpapers that you find on Smashing Magazine. - Federico Fasce via twhirl
Depends on how often I get bored with my current. Anywhere from once a week to once a month. Often I use pictures I've taken, but currently I'm using one from Hamad's Vista Wallpaper Pack - Margaret Kerr via twhirl
Interesting question. About twice a year maybe. Been a fan of http://mandolux.com/ Good to have a nice background for a little personality, but really, I spend more time staring at open windows than I do at the background or screensavers. - Mike D. Johnson
Weekly or monthly, sometimes they are art for a current project, or a band, game, or webcomic. the Looking for Group desktops are great. - Eric Dorsett
I change it every couple of months, either at home and at work, and most of them come from deviantart (petercui is one of my favorite wp designers) - João Almeida
Every 1-2 weeks, using NASA, science or sports images depending on my mood - Sally Church
I use Comic Book wallpaper (most often from DC Comics) but lately I've been enjoying the Wallpaper Project: http://kitsunenoir.com/blog/dw... - i switched tot he Ryan Cox image just this morning. - Jason Toney
Havent changed in 6 months. I usually just change when I find a better one. Oh and I use the same wallpaper
on all my pcs. - Roberto Bonini
From ffffound.com... VERY rarely I use a full screen wp. Instead, I center a small image and use the background color to fill up the rest. - Claudio Cicali
Yeah, the point about having to take bugs to Google groups is weird, there should be a FriendFeed centric way to report bugs and wishes. I did get a speedy reply from my Google groups postings, but it felt weird, as I never normally use Groups. - Edd Dumbill via twhirl
Conversations on FriendFeed aren't "connectable" enough for bug tracking. FF needs a mashup of Summize/Attensity/del.icio.us. - Kawika Holbrook
@Kawika: The mashup you're talking about can happen possibly only after they allow users to view more than 300 items (try going past page 11) - Yuvi
The official tumblr blog wasn't a tumblelog until like a month ago. I think sometimes a startup goes with what they know, and what's free, and migrate later. I think it's a great idea though, to have a friendfeed-powered support group. - J. Phil
Ha! We are ahead of the curve then. :) The official Profy product blog has been on the platform since the get-go. I think most companies still need to maintain an off-site blog for communicating outages, etc., however. - Cyndy
FF made use of the two Google groups long before Rooms were introduced, let's not forget that. - Aviv
Cyndy - correct. Remember what happened to that anti-spam company that had its blog on wordpress.com? They were DDOSed and they updated all there A refs to their WP blog. Pissed a bunch of people off, but wordpress.com didn't go down. What was it? Blue Turtle or something? - J. Phil
I don't understand this: Where does the discussion say they don't use their own product? Because some random guy (Earle Martin doesn't work for Friendfeed) wanted you to use Google Groups? Friendfeed consistently listens to feedback and what people are saying on Friendfeed, Bret, Ana, Paul, and the others are very active users, there are rooms, set up by Friendfeed, specifically for bugs and feedback... so, huh? - Mark Trapp
Mark, sorry I didn't know that. I've been posting comments about FriendFeed in various threads, even some started by FF people, and have never received any feedback or confirmation, and none have been implemented. I had a feeling they were getting feedback elsewhere but didn't know about the Google group (wouldn't have mattered, I don't use GG, I use FF at least for now). Gotta say the response to this has been pretty hostile. Do you work for the company? (Hard to know cause there are no profile pages.) - Dave Winer
Its not that different to those companies using getsatisfaction - use the best tools for the job and all that.. admittedly google groups is not what I would call the best tool for the job though! Looks like Mark doesnt work for friendfeed assuming his Linkedin profile is upto date ;) - riaz
i can't ding them for not using their product the way some folks do - they are developing a platform so hopefully focused on that mostly but more importantly everyone uses social tools differently - some read & some engage - i think that ff shows great potential and hope they keep doing exactly what they're doing - mike "glemak" dunn
Dave, I don't work for Friendfeed. I haven't had the same experience as you: features like Block, show all likes, rooms, the services that have been added, feeds in rooms, changeable room pictures, multiple room administrators, are all features that were acknowledged on Friendfeed by Friendfeed and later implemented. I'm a nobody, and have had Paul acknowledge a few problems I've seen with Friendfeed, and work out debugging them to see what was happening. - Mark Trapp
Are Paul Buchheit, Kevin Fox, or Bret Taylor following you David? If not, they're probably not seeing your feedback, especially if you're only putting it in comments to other people's posts. They do read the Friendfeed Feedback room (even if they don't comment): maybe that's the best place to put your comments. You're a superstar: creating threads specifically for problems you have with Friendfeed is definitely going to get attention. - Mark Trapp
I agree with Mark. The FriendFeed engineers have been very active here. I agree that it could be a bit more organized, so you could see those interactions, but that's true of everything here on FF. - Robert Scoble
dave: see mark's linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/pub/7/... - that's what i look at for most folks - hover over a user name and the window that opens up shows all their inbound feed info - a richer profile on ff would be nice but if folks link to one that already does a good job don't think its that big a deal - the web doesn't need more disparate profile locations imho - mike "glemak" dunn
There is Friendfeed feedback room. It works. They listen. @Cyndy You're always ahead of the curve :) Nice job Mark (and no, I don't work for FF either, just LOVE it - Charlie Anzman
Mark, I'm glad they're listening to you. I love the block command. I'm not likely to use rooms. I don't know if they're following me, I don't keep close tabs on that. But I have tried to leave ideas and questions in places I think they watch. I basically have what I want now, though they could have saved me a bit of time by pointing me to the API (I was trying to make what I was doing work with feeds). I had some ideas for them, but I still don't know where to put them. (And I'm not using GG.) - Dave Winer
Scoble, glad they listen to you too. You have good ideas. - Dave Winer
Dave, I understand: they're not transparent in how they prioritize feature requests or bugs (things like Block were added shortly after people really started asking for it, but the 300-item limit for going back in time issue that Yuvi's been championing for months still goes unfixed), but they tend to be pretty good about acting on Feedback. My only suggestion is that in the future, try using the Friendfeed Feedback room (http://friendfeed.com/rooms/fr...) People at Friendfeed are reading it. - Mark Trapp
Although Dave, I wouldn't be surprised if this thread here causes them to start following what you say and do more closely :-) - Mark Trapp
@Mike: I'm popping up everywhere (including the FF Feedback Room, and the Google Group) and shouting about the 300 items limit. Still unfixed :( It was acknowledged at the Google Group, but that was almost 2 months ago. No fix yet. :( - Yuvi
Yuvi, I'm pretty sure they're aware of your request. As you well know, there's a workaround. I'm glad they're prioritizing more important stuff. - Jake
@Jake: Err, what workaround? I don't know any.... - Yuvi
Yep, I agree to the "prioritizing" part. Just that they need to fix this too. - Yuvi
@Mark Trapp: Huh, er, what? Oh, right, I just saw Dave's reply to my comment on that item. I forget who pointed me to the Google group; it was before rooms had been implemented, and appeared to be "the" destination for support. - Earle Martin
Dave: sorry you feel that we have been unresponsive. We are transitioning from using the Google Group to the FriendFeed room (http://friendfeed.com/rooms/fr...). As others have mentioned, Rooms did not exist when the product launched, so that is the reason both exist. For private things (stuff you don't want others to read), email feedback@friendfeed.com. We certainly try to be responsive, and we appreciate your feedback. - Bret Taylor
Bret, I'm sorry you feel that way too! I've tried to be a good user and developer, but clearly I've not been doing my job very well. I'll try harder. Thanks for the feedback. - Dave Winer
FF has been very responsive to feedback and I'm an average schmo compared to you. I've had prompt responses (and followup) from both Ana and Ross. Ana even responded while working on Obama campaign in Michigan. Dave, now that you've been corrected...write a post on your wonderful blog (go badgers!) - Pokai
Pokai, I don't understand exactly what I've been doing wrong. I've asked a few questions and made a few suggestions. At the risk of breaking protocol, I'd like ask some right now, while we have Bret's attention. How often does FF poll feeds? Does it observe <ttl>? Any thought of a weblogs.com type ping server? Why are RSS descriptions ignored? How about OPML reading list support? A few items that I've asked about.. - Dave Winer
Dave: ha! I did not intend my message to imply you have been doing something wrong. If we didn't respond your feedback or it wasn't clear where to send feedback, it is our fault of course. I just wanted to chime in with the best forums currently, but I am reading this thread closely, and I promise you we will update our procedures based on the feedback from this thread and others. - Bret Taylor
Dave, I'm sure FF is thinking (and working) on those issues. They may not be ready to answer them yet or give any kind of timetable to a high profile blogger. Now that Scoble is trying to take over DC, get a Nokia N95 camera (Qik video) and go visit the new FF headquarters with your questions. I'm sure they'd let you in, and all of us FFers would love to see it. Plus you'd probably get more followers. - Pokai
Answers to your questions: We poll feeds every 20 - 45 minutes depending on time of day. We do not currently observe TTL in feeds. We have put some thought into a producing ping server (we currently use a number of ping servers to get updates more quickly). Can you clarify your RSS descriptions issue? Do you want them passed through the feeds to the other side, or displayed in the UI somewhere? OPML is also on "the list," but has been prioritized lower than other issues to date (sorry about that). - Bret Taylor
Thanks for the responses. I don't care so much about the pass-through (though obviously it should be passed through). The use-case is http://friendfeed.com/newsjunk -- at first it was an RSS feed but it didn't update frequently enough (new items can appear every three minutes) and didn't pick up the descriptions. It finally occurred to me that using the API might give a better response and it did. - Dave Winer
To be clear OPML reading lists are like feeds, when an item drops off the list you stop polling it when an item comes on you start polling. Also it seems to me that the polling period ought to be a function of the frequency of updates of the feed. You clearly poll Flickr much more frequently as well as Twitter. Why view user feeds as lower priority? - Dave Winer
Also, which ping servers do you use? (That could address the frequency of update issue.) - Dave Winer
Yuvi's "page 11" (399 item limit with "num=100") bug hasn't been fixed since acknowledged on May 6. My guess is either (1) it's a major overhaul (2) they're worrried about increasing loads too high. With a lot of people now in the 2,000-12,000 comments/likes range, only being able to see the first 3-5% is a pain. In the everyone feed, I can only see the last 1-2 hrs of Flickrs. It would be nice to see the last 24-48 hrs, so I don't miss things while sleeping. - Mitchell Tsai
I would NOT use FriendFeed for managing Web App Dev code projects either... wrong tool guys. In fact, I am GLAD they're not using FF for that. You need to have your issue/bug tracking product *separate* from your production app! hehehe! Plus, they use the FF Feedback room and interact with their users...so they do *use* FF a bit. - Susan Beebe
I've posted bugs in both the FF room, and the Google Group, and both times received a response within minute. Note that these were actual bugs. I've made feature suggestions i