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Oh my god, the "push" meme is returning. It feels like 1996 again with PointCast. Wired.com can just reuse their old push coverage :) To be honest, this time around there is enough bandwidth to support the model, so it might actually turn into a usable back-end service for some aggregators, but I still think that the future is in a distributed pub/sub substrate instead of such centralized pull-to-push converters. - Vlado Handziski
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Louis Gray shared an item on Google Reader
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I guess in Nielsen's world, all websites and content should look like his. - Rex Hammock
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Interesting, learned something new from this about India. - Daniel Schildt
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Robert Scoble posted a message
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Love Google Reader. I end up with both news and insights that I never would have gotten anywhere else. - BISQ
I can't seem to get away from Google Reader. There's so much interesting stuff in it that haven't been shared to Friendfeed yet. With Toluu, I'm finding more and more things that I like, and just haven't made their rounds on Friendfeed. - Mark Trapp
I had been neglecting my Google Reader, lots of actual reading to catch up on. - Kevin Cuneo
Google Reader is my everyday start. - Hakan Dahlstrom
I feel like if I don't listen to NPR in the monring I miss the news all together. If I just read the things i see on FF or Twitter I get a whole lot of random web news but not much whole world news. - Whit Scott via twhirl
I always read through Google reader before coming to FriendFeed in the morning. - Louis Gray
I read everything through Google Reader. - Josue Sanchez
Back and forth between the two. - Andrew Smith
Google Reader seems to offer me more control over what I see. Also -- much more variety. FriendFeed offers a wider range of subjects. (Content developers don't need to subscribe to FriendFeed.) Plus -- anything Google I am a fan of. - Charles Barthold
Absolutely. FriendFeed has a bit of a swiss army knife feel to it at the moment, with lots of folks trying to using it to replace a bunch of specialized tools like feed readers, forums/threaded comment systems, IM, etc. - Ken Sheppardson
FF has really cut into my feed reading time. I need to rebalance, too. - Harvey Simmons
yeah FF is just grabbing more and more of my attention - Stefan Hayden
Exactly. Feedfeed is great catching trends but I learn more from my regular readings in Google Reader. - Leon Ho
I used to hit FeedDemon in the morning after email, but now Snackr and Netvibes (thanks to Marshall Kirkpatrick's suggestion) let me get the quick hits and news. I glance at FriendFeed via Twhirl as it ticks by just to see what's up. - Tris Hussey via NoiseRiver
Yeah, but I don't necessarily agree that it is Google Reader as much as it's an RSS reader of your choice, with my choice being NetNewsWire. - Andru Edwards
There's something about seeing the full text of an item that makes reading feeds much more satisfying (and more efficient, because here in FF I have to click on interesting headlines and wait for the item to load to read it). - Robert Scoble
Google Reader all the way. - Andrew Ruess
Actually, at this point I prefer SocialMedian - it gives me a fast view w/ summaries - Lucretia Pruitt
What is it about FF that makes it addictive - that (1) people like it (2) but they still think they are using it too much? Maybe other social media startups need to figure out what the FriendFeed-juice is? - Mitchell Tsai
The key to Google Reader is balancing volume with quality. I'd rather follow many feeds that have only a few entries per day than those that have dozens. - Georg
I am using a mixture of FF/Google Reader and Netvibes - riaz
Feedly is quite nice when I can get it to work through my corp proxy. - Greg
Yes, this is why I really like the practice of using the "Share with a note" feature in Google Reader to quote a relevant part from the original content so that it can appear as a summary comment here on FF - Vlado Handziski
I moved all my RSS reads to Feedly. It's foundation is Google Reader, but served up in a magazine format. I can get through it in less than half the time as directly through GR. - Bob Finch
Google reader, for sure. I like FF for the random stuff it throws at me that I can follow up on somewhere else, but I need Google to feel caught up on the things I need. - K Welch
Good lord, Robert -- I never left Google Reader. GR is vastly more efficient for processing news feeds than Friendfeed. With a few tweaks, FF could bring itself up the level of GR, but so far we haven't seen much feedback from FF developers regarding these suggestions. My lead folder in GR is a stream of pure gold with no dross or distracting trivia. - Sean McBride
FriendFeed is more about specific people. Google Reader is more about feeds in general. We all need to balance the specific and the general. - Mike Abundo
Would you rather have a sandwich or a snickers bar for lunch? I love the snickers bar, but most days I will definitely choose the sandwich, if I must choose. - J. Phil
I'm a netvibes man, it enables me to peruse 90+ article titles on one page/tab and I have 7 tabs. The sharing option on Google Reader makes me jealous though. - Toby Graham
For me, FF is good for tech geek stuff, but my GReader is much more science focused so I balance the two probably more in favour of GReader atm - Sally Church
At one time, I tried reading all my feeds through FriendFeed, but quickly returned to Google Reader...they serve different purposes. - Chris Rossini
Feedly is quite nice - LPH
I've never stopped reading in my RSS reader (spoonfeedr.com). FriendFeed is much more manageable there than on their website. - Sam Pullara
I second BSCQ - Martin Liechti via fftogo
Starting to use Feedly rather than GReader - it's perfect, stops me reading so many articles without being boring. I looooove it! - Richard Bradshaw
I find that I read articles on FF that don't show up in Google Reader and everything else in Reader. - Roberto Bonini
Totally. Plus I have full text and robust filing systems. - Steve Rubel via fftogo
Pretty surprised that you even considered ditching a newsreader to begin with. Sure you're feeling ok? - David Chartier
Google reader is my main RSS feed reader. I'm totally addicted. I just added Feedly and now I get recommeded feeds which add another dimension of social news aggregation. - Larry Kless via twhirl
I spend quality time in Google Reader. Try Feedly. It displays your Google subscriptions nicely. - Michael Tefft
Feedly & FriendFeed are the ticket, gReader alone seems like a one sided conversation. - Roger Penguino
Yes. I find myself scanning FF for blog posts. - Andy C
I'm all about the netvibes: www.netvibes.com/kdoohan - Kevin Doohan
I honestly don't know what I did before Reader. It is the best thing out there for me, for sure. Plus I can use it on my phone! - Ann Coleman
I can't stand gReader's inability to start FF-style "conversations" around shared items. And I can't convince my gReader buddies to move over to FF :( - Jake
I've abandoned Google Reader and all RSS Readers at this point. Traditional RSS readers are dead as far as I'm concerned. Social filters are much better at delivering content than RSS readers. Every second spent in an RSS reader is a second spent away from a socially filtered news and information experience. - Thomas Hawk
Thomas Hawk: I think that you are right. This is why all RSS readers have evolved towards social filters. Let's not forget that Google Reader invented the concept of shared feeds. - Edwin Khodabakchian
If you subscribe to the right feeds and blogs, you get a better perspective on the topics you care about. That's something that these services can quite do it as good as a feed reader. - Jay Cruz
did You try Feedly? It works with GReader, great! - Luca Conti
Its like reading a newspaper and talking about it. One won't replace the other, so I'm happy with the serious Google Reader _and_ the friendly cosy FF. Thanks to "best of day" I can balance the time spent with both. Not sure I want one app to rule them all :) for now, a mix of GR and FF is quite ok. - Dani Radu
I'll have to give feedly another look, but lately I've been subscribing to my FF RSS feed in gReader, so almost best of both worlds in one - nick carrasco
Hey now that you're reading feeds again, how about doing a shared item feed just for new tech products, or features of tech products, or reviews of tech products, even ones that aren't new. I promise I'll use the feed and give you credit of course. I'm going to ask Marshall to do one too (I bet he already does). - Dave Winer
I jump between the two anyway, I wouldn't abandon one over the other as they both have many plus points!! - Joe Dawson
yes, deep breath. as awesome as friendfeed is, it's not going to replace google reader, it's not going to replace twitter, it's not going to replace _______ . it makes all these services more useful, but you need a starting point. google reader is one of them. - MG Siegler
Google reader, never leave home without it! Friendfeed is definitely not a replacement. I see feeds on my reader that don't make it to the Friendfeed universe. - Alexander van Elsas
Although, I use GR less, I could never do away with it. FriendFeed does help a lot because I find myself marking a lot of stuff read (wish there was an easier way to do that) and being able to move on to to other content. - Shey
None of these services are an either or thing. They joy is in how they all work together. - m.0
can't get enough of Google Reader especially when I can find more exciting, techy blogs in the "Discover" section which I cannot live without. In respects to reading Friendfeed headlines, I don't really see this site as a news site. More as a conversation ABOUT the news! - Josh Chandler
I suffered your pain. Then, as some kind of experiment, I spent some time creating imaginary friends and tweeking feeds and the list of people and rooms I subscribe here. Awsome, now I cannot think about swapping FriendFeed by something else like an RSS reader. I still have to better manage my FF, specially trying to reduce the noise, but this is definitively better than the "old way"... - Marcos Marado via fftogo
I just found 44 items from you on your Google Reader shared items feed. I guess you're back. :) Google Reader allows me to more easily see things from a particular person; if I had to rely on finding them in their FriendFeeds, I'd probably miss them. - Ontario Emperor
I don't know if I feel smarter when reading google's reader, but I feel like I am smart when reading it. - Mike
@Robert start using feedly with Firefox 3. Now that feedly has integrated Friendfeed into their plugin, I'll never leave Google Reader. - Chris Rodgers
yes - rambn
Robert - a combination of http://mionews.com + creating a private room with your RSS feeds in it may get you best of both worlds. Though I know you don't like that mioNews isn't a river-of-news, but we're working on that :) - Patrick Lightbody
I feel the same and I like it even if you did not like me saying thanks to friends saying that they liked my roadmap video - Loic Le Meur
Yes, I'm reading both. I read a lot more than I have time to share, but it helps to have both Google & FF formats available. - Cathryn Hrudicka
I'm using both, but for different purposes. Add Feedly, which is getting some of my casual browsing. - Chris Baskind
I agree but the issue is if I find something there and want to then ind the conversation here about that post I can not easily do so. I can post my own link but it would be nice to find the relevant posts here for any given item in my Google Reader. - Joel Ordesky
I've been wandering away from Reader for a while. See too many headlines that don't interest me. - shelisrael1
I've always felt that Reader did a fantastic job of presenting the content I want to read. - Trevor Carpenter
I tried giving up reader for a day - FF just doesn't replace what an rss reader can provide - Jesse Stay
They serve two totally different functions in my workflow. Google Reader gives me the news from the outlets I value while FriendFeed gives the news (and other stuff) of the people I value (I wouldn't consider all you internet celebs friends, sorry!). FriendFeed complements Google Reader. - Dennis Laumen
Yes. In fact, I read my Friendfeed through GoogleReader. For me, FF is a subset of Google Reader. Just another "Outlet." - Francine Hardaway
FF is great for finding things you may have missed in GReader, but it's no replacement. - Sarah Perez
Adding my 2 cents to the many comments here - I read both - Google Reader is a must for me and I don't see anything replacing it. FF is the conversation for me. - Kevin Cearns
GR is news, FF is conversation. They serve different purposes for me. - brian junyor via twhirl
GR is daily homework, FF is hanging around with friends - Nikos Anagnostou
get the cream from Friendfeed and then go on with gReader - Dobromir Hadzhiev
Absolutely, I get my best ideas from some of the great feeds I subscribe to. I realize too that I tweet and share much less when I don't go through my reader. - Sonciary Honnoll
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Bret Taylor posted a message
June 23 at 12:27 pm - Link
Shouldn't this comment use the photo feature? - Chris White
LOL! I just refreshed and said out loud "whoa, boxes." - Erica Baker
hehe Google shows in you guys still :p - BCK
Yeah, I just had the same surprise. Looking forward to pictures of the new place! - Jordan Hofker
Congrats!, remember to recycle those boxes. - Mike Fruchter
Yay new office! Hopefully you aren't moving like the last two startups I worked for.. as fast as possible in the middle of the night, etc., etc. - J. Phil
wasn't your office massive? - Alex Gawley
congrats, don't get drunk tonight, or maybe u should - Dobromir Hadzhiev
Well, then... you're not my real friend. Real friends would ask other friends to help move. Not that I'm complaining about not being asked or anything... just sayin', that's all. - l0ckergn0me
@Alex - That was probably the problem. ;) (Usually: Massive = Expensive) - sebmos
Alex: massive, and unfortunately temporary. It was massive because we got an incredible deal b/c they wanted someone to fill the space for 10 months, so they gave us a very good rate on the space. Our new space is more permanent (2 year lease). @sebmos: not expensive at all, thankfully :) - Bret Taylor
yay for friendfeed! - Alemsah
lockergnome: I thought the quote was "Friends will help you move. Real friends will help you move a body." - Kevin Fox
Looking forward to pics of the new space! - Vince DeGeorge
Woo hoo! - Eric Hamilton
Hope nothing bad happens on the moving! ;-) - Cesar Cardoso
Good luck! - Alex Sauceda via fftogo
I was wondering about that before I hit "search" - Ben Parr
that explains the boxes... staying in palo alto? - Jeremy Zawodny
مبارك باشه - saee:Dsharif
lol - that explains it ;) good luck with the move - riaz
where are the new offices, still in Mountain View? - Thomas Hawk
so that's what the boxes are for - Leon Westbrook
The new FriendFeed offices are literally across the parking lot. So if you've ever been to one of their open houses, you can park in the same spot. :-) - Louis Gray
love the graphic at the top!!! keep it up! - Stefan Hayden
congrats on the move! hope I get an opportunity to visit the new office. - David Vasileff
across the parking lot? Is it the eye-fi office? - Patrick Li
این دیگه کجاش این همه لایک داره ؟؟؟ - Mahyar
Ah that's why we see the BOXES... moving to where? CONGRATS on you new digs!! You guys need lots of room for growth!! :) - Susan Beebe
Good luck on the move. Shouldn't the new image link to this thread? - Mark Krynsky
Moving from a big office to a small office means one thing: FriendFeed is downsizing. - Amit Patel
Meraki, actually. Eye-fi is taking our old office, I think. - Paul Buchheit
So did any Silicon Valley FriendFeed users get a message from Bret asking, "Uh...you got a pickup truck?" - Ontario Emperor via fftogo
And I got to help out :) Was fun meeting you all! - Mustafa K. Isik
Wunderbar... - Mitchell Tsai
I thought the logo was to suggest that by posting items in your feed, you're sending presents to your friends. It was cute! You should bring it back! - Alex Mendes da Costa
You must be all moved in, the Logo's gone. I miss it, kind of liked it. Not that you need to start the Google-like logo of the day, but you might change it around once in awhile. - Victor Ryden
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michael arrington posted a message
June 22 at 12:30 am - Link
Gee, I was just thinking the same thing :P - Kip
Yeah, I want to block you sooo bad - Kris Haamer
You can hide and block people from ever showing up in your friendfeed stream, but I'm not sure that will get rid of them from showing up in your recommended list. - Robert Seidman
I've been wishing for the same thing.... I've had the same faces there since I joined. They should do it like FB, where you can 'close' those recommendations and others take their place.Finding new people would be sooo much easier - Rai
Agreed and a rare posted message from you Michael welcome aboard!! :-D - Joe Dawson
I think it's important not to confuse this "block" request with the "block people who are trolling jerks" feature that was recently unveiled, which is what I initially thought you were requesting (due to the first phrase). But yeah, totally agree with you re: the need for a "Don't recommend this person anymore" option. - Adam Lasnik
It looks more like they need a recommender which throws away the 'short head'. If you ignore the the 10% of recommended users you'd have a more interesting and diverse set of recommendations. - Adewale Oshineye
Blocking people DOES remove them from your "recommended" page. I wish I could really reconfigure what gets displayed on the recommended page, though. I wish I could see "people who are similar to Louis Gray," for instance. - Robert Scoble
ive already suggested to the ff team that the list on the right be changed - im sick of seeing scoble, calacanis, arrington, rose and laporte on every page - they said they will look into it - i'd prefer to see a random list - good for discovery. - Allen Stern
Robert: I'll be releasing a Friendfeed app that will please many people I bet and which answers somehow some of these needs. Yet IMHO blocking people just because "you don't know who they are" removes the magic from FriendFeed. And I think that's what Michael is refereing to. - directeur
Allen: I agree with you. I'd rather see the last people that person has "Liked" or "Commented on." Then you'd really get some great discovery. - Robert Scoble
directeur: I agree. "Block" is too crude an instrument just to get some more interesting people into the recommended page. - Robert Scoble
and what about profiles? how do you know all those people that subscribes to you anyway? people subscribe to me and I have no shit about who they are, but they may be someone important enough to subscribe back. why on each person here I need to do a research project? (checking their blogs feed etc) - Orli Yakuel
I was actually kind of hoping for a "Subscribe to all" button - Marco
I love adewale's suggestion! I've already seen the fat head - looking for the beginning of the long tail. :) - felix
On Facebbok and other social networks i see the profile page before "subscribing", in here i can just check the shared items, but that it is not very helpfull. - Mário Pires
i don't ever go to recommended - i don't mind seeing folks pop-up that are foaf, especially those that i don't necessarily want to subscribe to fulltime but don't mind seeing their posts from time to time - i think ff is for those that enjoy jumping into conversations in a serendipitous way & enjoying the iterative way that new features blossom - its definitely not for the tight of sphincter crowd - mike "glemak" dunn
I think there is already a "block" feature on FF...was not it being discussed by someone few days back??? - Arjun
I agree with mike glemak. I use FF to join in conversations, which hopefully means adding value to the discussion. Outside of that, I find it relatively easy to bypass the things I'm necessarily interested in, but I generally enjoy postings from people I don't subscribe to. - Kate Brodock via twhirl
Arjun: y es, there is a block feature, but really what this conversation is about is having control over the "recommended" page. The block feature in FriendFeed is too blunt an instrument to use just to get someone off of the recommended page here in FriendFeed. - Robert Scoble
agree with Robert, block is not the answer. Recommendations should just be smarter. Most connections by degree of separation with a dash of magic FF "authority" ranking, but just a dash, would do the trick just fine. Then page the page and/or have it pull random folks from the top 500 every time and it's fixed. - Thomas Hawk
I would be satisfied if the Recommendations simply showed a little more variety. It seems weighted to a relatively small population of candidates. - Kevin Johnson
that must be because i can't see you on the list ? - Ben Borges
Robert: oh ok....sry my mistake...had just saw the initial comments quickly as not time....now when i went thru te thread...i got the complete picture of the conversation... - Arjun
I totally agree. Netflix has a "not interested" button for recomendations, click it, and they won't recommend it again. - Dave Winer
I think I agree with Robert that 'block' will be too rude, Dave nailed it down 'not intrested' will be more socially appropriate given that this is 'FriendFeed' after all. - Vic Podcaster
It was all so much easier before we could see the social connections. Then I didn't know who told whom about what and I didn't care. Now that we can see the links and the content I feel like I'm going to have to manage everything. Great. More busywork. - Bill Anderson via twhirl
I imagine preemptively blocking people would prevent them from subscribing to you as well, which doesn't seem like desirable behaviour in this case. - Tanath
agreed ! - aruban via twhirl
Proposal: Can we have different algorithms available for our choice from a drop-down menu? e.g. (1) popular with others (2) popular with friends (3) relevant/similar to me via post content/type (4) relevant/similar to me via comment/like (3) random (4) completely opposite of me (5) new people unusually active or liked or commented (6) by country/language (7) by similar room interests (8) etc... - Mitchell Tsai
the recommended list is the gutter of friendfeed no doubt. but blocking is a bad thing. I don't like the way ff recommends people at all. - Noah David Simon
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michael arrington posted an entry on TechCrunch
June 14 at 4:28 pm - Link
This is my first guest post for TechCrunch. - Robert Scoble
Is Nokia pushing Kyte on their phones an inevitability? They have to be considering this in order to recoup the relatively large money they have invested in Kyte. If they do this, will other manufacturers backlash with support, either financial or advertising, for one of the other services? Am I speculating in the form of several questions? ;) - Andrew Burd
Thanks for the review. Embedded player that can play both a recent or a specific video is great, enables distributed live video. I can add my favorite live broadcasters to my blog's side bar. While on the show, an in-video chicklet can show how many places are currently broadcasting the live video. - Burak Arikan
Andrew: I'm not sure that Nokia would do that. It wouldn't matter, anyway. I have a Nokia phone. Do I use half the stuff they include on it? No. Would I use a service that wasn't as good as some other? No. - Robert Scoble
I notice friendfeed doesnt yet support qik/kyte.tv or flixwagon yet.. - riaz
had a feeling some killing would take place - Bwana McCall via fftogo
Thats one way to get "advertising" on your blog :) - Christian Burns
Scoble & Arrington: Does this killing announces the end of startup motivation to raise an idea, invest in it and execute a go-to-market. If the whales are eating such small startups like there is no tomorrow and with no risk, how would this action effect our industry ??? what would be the motivation then ? - Ron Shoshani
Called it here a ways back too, after returning from SXSW.http://www.ianschafer.com/2008... - Ian Schafer via twhirl
Dr. Scoble: I mean this in the most flattering sense of the phrase: aren't you the exception? I have no doubt that you will use the best option out there, but IE6 is still the most popular browser in the US. Which re-inforces the idea that Kyte could become the standard cell-video option for most Nokia users. - Andrew Burd
Andrew: I've always been the exception. In 1977 I was the first one to use a PC in my neighborhood (and at my school). In 1986 I was the first to have a laser printer. In 1989 I was the first to do digital photography that I knew. In 1994 I was one of the first to play with the Web that I knew. In 1996 I was one of the first on IM. So, what happened? Everyone followed me into the pool. - Robert Scoble
When I go to concerts I see tons of people using their cell phones to do video recordings. This IS going to go mainstream. - Robert Scoble
Except Kyte doesn't let you stream live as it happens, at least I haven't discovered the functionality yet. Maybe you have something I don't, but I feel like QIk is for live, on the scene journalism while Kyte is best for producing canned, edited segments. - Andrew Feinberg
Andrew: wrong. They just turned that feature on last week. I used it on my show on Friday morning and just did another test with it right now. Worked great. - Robert Scoble
Robert, I don't think Andrew is arguing the fact that Video will be taken via a mobile device, I think we can all agree that you are right about this. I think he is indicating that most users will use the pre-installed software that ships with a hardware device. - Jon-Paul Bussoli
Jon: I can see both sides of that argument. OK, positioned that way I agree. - Robert Scoble
Looks like I need to update my software. I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong once I see it. - Andrew Feinberg
always happy to moderate. ;) - Jon-Paul Bussoli
Robert, if Nokia bans the other applications, which they could very well do through firmware upgrades, they'd own the market. Now I'm not suggesting it will, but pointing out that it could. - Prolific Programmer
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Scott Beale shared an item on Google Reader
June 13 at 4:48 pm - Link
geez, how many things in life could this title apply to.... - Nick
And +1 like to Nick's comment - Carla Thompson
That guy is a freaking baby... - Chacha via twhirl
"Blame the current crop of crapware sites that think everything on the web is theirs to monetize. I do." I think this applies wholesale to anything related to the internet. Where there is shady money to be made there is some asshole with no scruples who will try to do it. - Erica Baker
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Louis Gray posted an entry on louisgray.com
June 13 at 8:25 pm - Link
Just tried it with the 'new' blogger. Think I'm gonna hold off until there's a more complete solution and it doesn't rely on pipes (My blog 'reaches out' enough already!). Regardless great job by Pat, and personally I think you should send him $300 (bonus points). - Charlie Anzman
$300, huh? But shouldn't it be less than $250 because it doesn't show likes? :-) - Louis Gray
He's gotta promise to deliver likes in 90 days - Charlie Anzman
You want likes? Would you like it in a separate script so you could implement one or the other, or do you want them all together? @Charlie - 90 days?!? Give me a week. - Pat Hawks
Oo, it's on! - J. Phil
Well Pat, I messed a little (honestly didn't have a lot of time tonight) with the 'new blogger' script. Appears MG got it goin'. I'll try again later in the week. My XML still needs a little clean-up on that blog first :) - Charlie Anzman
so couldnt you in theory just pull out disqus/intense debate/your own comments and just implement friendfeed comments - it would look nicer on a blog - a new user is confronted with 2 places to comment - fine for the weberati but less so everyone else. - riaz
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Jeremy Zawodny bookmarked a page on del.icio.us
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think Dana's piece highlights the tremendous upside to better, more relevant, advertising - Adam Kazwell
Bear in mind the quoted study was done by someone at *AOL* marketing. - ⓞnor
Think that's a very good point - would be interested to see Yahoo and Google's performance - Adam Kazwell
I bet everyone's done their own version of the study. I wonder how you'd do a comparison. Run lots of ads representing a sample of the actual ads shown? How to determine that without access to the query stream? - ⓞnor
The study seemed to focus on banner ads, especially the deceptive ones promising winnings. Does this apply to text ads? - Kevin Fox
I would like to see an "ad" defined today. - Wayne Porter
Kevin, you're right. This study she references doesn't apply to text search ads -- just banner/display ads. - Ginger Makela
It's unfortunate that most internet marketers do not focus on brand awareness but on clicks. - Andreas Gohr
@splitbrain they are concentrated on target (or gone soon) so it is all about clicks - it is industry, not a school or kindergaten - silpol
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WOW! like for title =)) - Zahra HB
Is it creepy that Microsoft is going to drastically change the meaning of "attach photo to email"? This is an interesting feature, but only if it is opt in and very well explained, not generally a Microsoft strength... - felix
I'm one of the 320m but I dont really buy into windows live yet - something is not quite right.. whatever it is its not enough for me to use it more than rarely. I don't really like Google but I am using more and more of their services - that says something. - riaz
I'm not sure how many people use Gmail but I'd say its a level up from the typical Hotmail & Messenger user. Google already has all that and more in place with Picasa, Gtalk, Jaiku, Grand Central, Reader, Docs, Open Social and Friend Connect. Microsoft is having to play catch up again like they did with the browser and I think this time around it just isn't going to happen. I think many of us would quickly refer a friend to Google for stuff over Hotmail or Messenger. - Scott Cropper
Scott: very few people use Gmail when compared to Hotmail. I'll try to get accurate numbers, but Google isn't claiming anything close to 320 million active users. - Robert Scoble
nice new template! - alireza
Don't you mean 320 active spammers? - TranceMist
Of course I forgot about my one exception - I'm still an active Messenger user.. it is huge in Europe.. everyone I know uses it here - weird how everyone I know in the states use AIM. - riaz
I'm one of the 320 million as well, but I have only logged in once in the past 30 days, where as with Google, I log in everyday with multiple accounts for multiple services. - Snay Trivedi
Everyone here(India (and Everyone excludes Geeks)) uses Yahoo. Mail and IM. Yep - Yuvi
Good point from Snay above. Hotmail is poor compared to Gmail. MSN is hideous. IM/Messenger is a disaster. Microsoft Web apps are fundamentally 2nd rate. Everyone's a member, but a great many people use a different technology for minute-to-minute/day-to-day - john conroy
I think geeks uses Google Service every now and then.. Microsoft gets an edge because non-geeks (or semi-geeks whose profession is not Computers related..) have subscription with Microsoft Live services and they dont care for a similar new google service! may be because microsoft gives them what they want.. - Jigar Mehta via bTT
"IM/Messenger is a disaster" I don't understand this comment from John Conroy. Do you use Messenger regularly John? What is disasterous about it? It works and it works well. That's it. What on earth is wrong with it? I dont get that opinion. MSN/Hotmail...yeah, they have some way to go. But Messenger is fine. - Jamie
Making it appear in Messenger would be quality, I already have a Facebook tab in Messenger so it would be the natural progression! - Joe Dawson
@jamie: okay, disaster is too strong a word. I primarily dislike the big (huuuge) load screen/advertisement that you get when you log in. Also, the fact that it loads on boot as default, and unless you disable this adds to your boot time. As with most Microsoft products, I think it is needlessly big/resource consuming. But it does work fine when you're actually using it. I used to use it quite a bit, in fact - john conroy
Jamie: I have to agree.. though the Yahoo Messenger/Google Talk deal is making me consider checking out yahoo messenger again. Hopefully Microsoft will announce a deal with Google soon and save me the trouble. - riaz
You can never count Microsoft out - 100% true. It may have been not having the best of times, it still has a HUGE pool of talent that it can bank upon and the number of users of these services completes the other end of the equation. @Yuvi Too general a statement; I don't use either; and I know large number of users on Messenger. @john adding to what @jamie already said; Wallop is another case in point. - Parth Awasthi via twhirl
I think people are missing the point about consumer behaviors: no matter how hard I try, I have failed to teach my mom how to upload photos to Flickr and then email the URL. However, she's perfectly comfortable with sending photos in an email. The same goes for IM'ing versus Twittering. Microsoft has a great opportunity to "bridge the gap" between these old habits and new ways of sharing and communicating, and making the transition painless. - Carter Rabasa
@Carter Couldn't agree more. - Parth Awasthi via twhirl
Robert, I like your statement, "What did I take away from our visit to Microsoft? You can never coun