But I don't WANT a post the most offensive possible while staying safe for work picture with :( as the heading meme! The meme committee forbids it!
- Matthew DeVries
chill out people... hardly a bad pic. :o) had to look twice myself to see what the fuss was, so it can't be THAT obvious lol. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
See, now those COULD successfully teabag the white house.
- Ethan
"I took the liberty of milking your cow for you. Yeah, it took a little while to get her warmed up, she sure is a stubborn one"
- Chris Rivait
What if I just promise not to bump it?
- Josh Haley
How would you precisely phrase this promise? Let's revise and get that language exactly right
- Matthew DeVries
Do your balls hang low? do they wabble to and fro? Can you tie them in a knott? Can you tie them in a bow? Can you throw them over your shoulder like a contenental solgier? Do your nuts hang low?
- Fake Elmo
Nuts or balls, Elmo? (I bet that gets said all the time)
- Josh Haley
Those would be far more impressive than the set dangling from the back of my pickup currently. Is there anything more classy than a scrotum hanging from the back of your car.
- Matthew DeVries
this is the thread that keeps on giving whether you want it to or not
- Cee Bee
[Edit] Show that beastie a photo looking straight down over the edge of the Grand Canyon and those babies will pull up a good 6 inches!
- Mark "DerBingle" J
"Fondo Colanco is a private ranch that I visited on the day of the Spring castration. We watched about 30 bulls get snipped and then retired to a barn for the day. We stripped the balls from the scrota, taking them to a giant plow set over an open wood fire for searing in oil, garlic, and chiles before parking them between two homemade rolls for hand sandwiches. The scrota were sauteed...
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- Josh Haley
Did you know that during the end credits of Borat, there is a picture like this, of a different woman in a similar hat cupping a bull's balls? I found that very interesting and now am trying to figure out what the real meaning of it all is.
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
the meaning is... wow, never felt balls like it... :P
- Rob Sellen :o)
Sean, if only I knew. This was delivered directly to me fresh and hot.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Wow, whatever you do, don't google "Asian guys at beach licking" if you want to find the Flickr account for this. No, seriously. Just...don't. o.O
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
changed my life forever...I will always go to the beach with a a few chubby buddies after porking myself up for those bosoms ~ and this image is most definitely going in the ol' spank bank
- sofarsoShawn
Remember ! I bring quality product to Friend Feed !:)
- Akiva Moskovitz
you know what would be funny: ok bear with me, if we blindfolded leather donut (you know the booby man) and...yeah fill in the blanks...something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- sofarsoShawn
Sir, randomly linking to your FriendFeed from one of my posts is oh wait you'll never see this because you're blocked for spamming. Thanks anyway, kaghazrangy.
- Akiva Moskovitz
damn this picture just won't go away - you have forced me to hide it
- William Harryman
Akiva, wasn't that pic taken at your last BBQ?
- Paul
Every time I see this picture I smile. Their joy is infectious, like herpes.
- Sparky
Paul, I surely do wish I had a beach in my back yard!
- Akiva Moskovitz
Sparky, I'm going to have this blown up to poster-size and attaching it to the ceiling above our bed. That'll cause some infections!
- Akiva Moskovitz
makes me want to grow a rack and diddle with my own, know what I'm saying?
- sofarsoShawn
this. . . .this. . . ugh . . . so fucking wrong.
- Peter Ghosh
Akiva - you can put anything you want above our bed.
- Sparky
i've been trying to formulate a comment for this for days, but i just...can't.
- joey
I still want to know the motivation here. is this a gay marriage argument? or are we already pushing group social contracts on friendfeed?
- Noah David Simon
oh man this one keeps popping up on ma friendfeed,....must spread virus nao
- Chris Hofmann
I'm surprised no one's noticed old boy's red-framed glasses.
- Akiva Moskovitz
oh right... the glasses are so important when three asian men are licking his nipples and all the comments are by people who think gay marriage has something to do with equality... when it has everything to do with taking protections away from children. the red glass glasses.... um yeah. chicken and Oklahoma with milk
- Noah David Simon
Mark, you have uncovered the dark underbelly of humanity except in this case it isn't dark but is rather a pasty hue somewhere in the vicinity of undercooked flan.
- Akiva Moskovitz
This should be in the default noobie FF stream. Like the first thing anyone who signs up sees. If they stick around they're part of the family.
- Chrimmus Tad
Perhaps this can replace the kitty pic on the start page for non-members!
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I'm certain prop8 had nothing to do with Swine Flu
- Noah David Simon
I'm thinking that eventually, it will have been hidden by every user on FriendFeed. It'll be the most hidden post in FriendFeed history.
- Akiva Moskovitz
WHY WHY KEEP BRINGING BACK THE EYES THEY HURT ME
- Neal Jansons
from IM
Herpes (and this): the gifts that keep on giving.
- Sparky
I wonder if the FriendFeed guys see this and say to themselves, 'Well, this isn't exactly what we had in mind when we started started FriendFeed.'
- Akiva Moskovitz
I look at it and think, "Not again."
- Steven Perez
from IM
Just about the time you FF is getting some class .. Oh well we is what we is.
- Brent - Loving Life
I can't believe after all this time some diligent FF'er hasn't dug up the identities (I said "titties") of this bunch and invited them to join the service that made them famous. Mitchell Tsai, get to work!
- Sprague D
i think if you unlike and delete all your comments anna it'll go away, but hide in general would be nice too (this photo makes me smile every time it pops up so don't mind it)...
- mike "glemak" dunn
*sigh* This is never going away, is it? It's gonna end up like James Bond movies and Swedish meatballs - always existing in the same form. never diminshing, never forgotten. :( :( :(
- Steven Perez
from IM
It will go away, to be replaced with photoshops of the original. It's all part of the meme lifecycle.
- Sparky
I am too new on friendfeed to know anything about record comments.. I love gmail tho, puts all the comments in one threaded email and I can delete them all later in one shot or not if I choose..
- David Gross
from email
well we should aim to beat the record.. i mean jeez there are tons of things that could be said about this.. like.. does it taste like chicken?
- ed fry
I'm gonna have nightmares now. thanks ed. ;)
- Alejandro
ok, in Japanese: "an, an, soko dame!"
- Rick Cogley
You can't close this thread. A lot of people say that this place is a Scoble-fest but, truly, it is this thread that is at the very heart of FriendFeed.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I'm officially going to proclaim that this is the FF equivalent of Goatse or FFoatse if you will. Lets all refer to it as that from this point forward.
- Mark Krynsky
Sparky has left 57 comments. The rest of you are slacking. Hop to it!
- Christopher Harley
Chrisitan just walked by and said "It's too early in the morning for Japanese titty licking." It's NEVER too early for Japanese titty licking.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
THIS is the first thing I see here this morning?
- l0ckergn0me
Chris, you just woke up? C'mon, man! It's 10:30!
- Akiva Moskovitz
I knew he would break eventually - it's fitting that it's on this thread *now to find out how to hide a thread once you've commented....*
- WorldofHiglet
As much as I am loathe to bump this post, I have to do it to say, You, sir, are a master. Well played, sir. Well played. This is why I take every opportunity to say, in my next life, I want to be Akiva. I've already called it! Don't anybody go getting any more ideas.
- ♥patricia♥
I, for one, refuse to "bump" posts...it's very unseemly...
- Live4Emma (L4S)
I wish FF-search allowed to do GROUP BY -aggregations so I could COUNT(*) who are the biggest *bump*ers. :)
- Jemm
Makes me laugh everytime I see it. Such a happy yet silly scene by the sea.
- Toby Graham
There is nothing silly about it. This is serious business.
- Sparky
The more I see this, the more I like it. Not for the ironic nipple-licking, but because these kids are genuinely enjoying themselves. :) Carry on.
- felicious
This photo looks so much better in iPhone 3.0!#!~
- Akiva Moskovitz
Seriously dude. What do I have to do to get rid of this disgusting picture!? Doh! Now I've just pushed it back to the top... yuck, I'm so sickened.
- Jason Nunnelley
I love this image, because I have no clue why it's happening. Randomness FTW!!
- Jimminy Fuller
from twhirl
I'm just thinking of all the new folks coming to friend feed and see this and wonder just what the hell did I get into anyway? And why in Gods name can't I spell Friend correctly the first time - GRRRRRR
- Brent - Loving Life
Can't believe I never hit 'like' on this! Consider the situation rectumfied.
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
Oops! I hope I didn't just bump this up again... ;-)
- Sprague D
It's just so refreshing to see genuine juvenile humour at work. These kids are no different from any other, I think it's a great happy image, given all the other shite happening in this world on a daily basis. For those that are too pompous and prudish, 'up yours with brass knobs'
- ImJustCreative
Wow. 666. Nice! Actually, the reason Asashoryu is getting a divorce ( http://ff.im/4T0UA ), is because he wants to spend time with this lot.
- Rick Cogley
To this day, the pic still comes back. Just like Herpes. :D
- Danny Minick
Although unlike herpes this photo is fun to share with friends.
- Sparky
I would rather go to http://woot.com and buy the Acer Aspire One for $259.99, I do not care that it is a refurb.. but what would I do with two laptops? Maybe #hive knows? hmm..
- David Gross
from email
What's this? A real question in this thread? Two extra laptops? Make them fancy digital photo frames.
- Jordan Hofker
Reason #696 why the Internet can grant you immortality. ;-)
- darnell
from BuddyFeed
I can't believe this thing is still floating around Friendfeed. These poor guys... ha ha ha
- Bradley Farless
@SeanMcGee sorry about the spam, this thread is sorta spammy.. I get the messages in email perfect for replying with any message because it then gets posted on twitter and facebook.. I do not do it all the time, look at my other posts in this stream..
- David Gross
from email
Lactating, males last resort to save ourselves, now that they can create sperm in labs.
- Jimminy Fuller
This is the thread that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friend. Some people started feeding it, not knowing what it was, and they'll continue feeding it forever just because...This is the thread that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friend. Some people started feeding it, not knowing what it was, and they'll continue feeding it forever just because...This is the thread that...
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- David Gross
from email
I have 89 :( emails since july 10th.. that includes the ones I sent.
- David Gross
from email
gmail comes in handy, it keeps all the email in conversations, 100 messages at a time but because the subject " :( " it will not filter out so they dont go to inbox.
- David Gross
from email
*THOUGHT FOR THE DAY...* Women are like phones: They like to be held, talked to, and touched often. But push the wrong button and your ass is disconnected.
- David Gross
from email
all this oral stuff is just begging the question of when do they start with the money shots?
- Noah David Simon
I just use this image as a way to announce crap. no one really pays attention to my feed... except my enemies. so when I have something important to say I tell the Asian Titty lickers. it is my strong belief that this thread needs it's very own domain name. something like http://xrl.us/TittyLickers
- Noah David Simon
You know, every time this pops up, since FF hides the middle of the comments of which there are 804 or so, I see Akiva say "I'm sorry." at the top. It makes me wonder about how some things are just not possible to apologize for!
- Rick Cogley
wow, I can't believe tomorrow is Friday :o) no, wait, somewhere in the world it's ALREADY Friday :o)
- David Gross
from email
Thanks Rick, thats what I thought.. does that mean I can start with the #followfriday on twitter or do I have to wait till it is Friday here in NJ? would be funny to post it from this post LOL all my friendfeed goes to twitter..
- David Gross
from email
David - yeah, you can get an early start.
- Rick Cogley
Rick, I am not good at lists or #followfriday but there are lotsa good people in this thread.
- David Gross
from email
the thing that strikes me about this (aside from the obvious) is after seeing this thing pop up like 35-40 times since March its just occurred to me that I don't have any (guy) friends that a) would lick my nipples b) would lick my nipples for a photograph. Maybe I should get out more...
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
I'm a little scared that I've this has gotten more than 800 comments and almost 200 likes over nearly five months and I still haven't clicked "Hide."
- Scott of Two Countries
It's just a bit of fun. I mean watching how many comment, not the picture content (although I suspect that is all that was too!)
- Ian May
Allright, you guys ready to shoot "mirth and girth"?
- Rick Cogley
For the life of me, I'll never understand the emotion people have around this picture for or against. There's no nudity at all, not even implied nudity. Less dude nudity than a beer commercial or cigarette ad, yet there are people who really really really hate this picture.
- Matthew DeVries
I found a way to get a Tit Theme, and it involves this picture.
- Jimminy Fuller
Hahahaha! It's like a telethon. And after Joey Bishop goes off stage, they flash this picture on the screen. "Won't you think of the CHILDREN?"
- Spidra Webster
It's been a while, hope the magnetism still prevails...
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
I just had to bump this once more... gives me a whole new excuse to go look at Phoebe again!
- Mark "DerBingle" J
Hmmm, where do you think they're from? My guess is Japan...
- sofarsoShawn
The bumping algorithm includes things like novel people posting to it, in addition to thread age, and rapidity of comments. If the same 3 people are talking in a thread, it quits bumping because it's obviously a closed tea party.
- Matthew DeVries
I forgot, also you're a very handsome guy(saw the wedding images), I don't understand why you don't like to share your face. Rochelle is a lucky lady.
- Jimminy Fuller
Jimminy, it's an irrational phobia. No different than people who are afraid of heights, spiders, clowns, or Canada.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva, now I'm LMAO at the fear of Canada. People are actually afraid of Canada, or just the fact they don't know if they're British or French?
- Jimminy Fuller
I don't think even Canadians know that difference.
- Akiva Moskovitz
If Friendfeed had sound .. this thread would be all licks and slurps
- Mattb4rd
Sorry Akiva, I think it was the display picture.. I have known male and female Akivas.. Oh and by the way guys I am not afraid of Canada LOL will be there this weekend.. Dave Marie von Ebner-Eschenbach<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes...> - "Even a stopped clock is right twice a day."
- David Gross
from email
I popped the 666 cherry and I will get 1000 also.
- Jimminy Fuller
If it gets to 1000 will Akiva lock it so it can sink from our feeds forever? Please?!?
- WorldofHiglet
I think locking this post would be un-FriendFeedian.
- Jason Huebel
This is the immortal post everyone who uses the service must see it so WoH it just wouldn't be good to lock it.
- Jimminy Fuller
Not everyone see's it, only the people with true class do.
- Sparky
It keeps on going and going and going....
- David Gross
from email
In the Hall of Great Posts at the FriendFeed museum, this shall be hung high on the wall with pride.
- Johnny Worthington
I'M THE ROCK AND ROLL CLOWN.. AND I LIKE COCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAINE
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
*Wispering to Murderface* "Seriously man, I do... A LOT of cocaine."
- Matt Stoddard
It is now September 1st, and this has not reached 1000 comments. I am sorely disappointed. Yet, for some reason, I am uplifted by the smile of this young man, who was fortunate enough to have such great friends that fateful day on the beach.
- Josh Haley
Quick let's add some comments... Gee that guy on the far left is not really getting into the swing of things is he?
- Travis Koger
Travis... bear in mind that we don't know what "main chubby guy's" right hand is doing, or where it's doing whatever it's doing...
- Mark "DerBingle" J
BUT WE CAN INFER WHAT "MAIN CHUBBY GUY'S" HANDS ARE DOING. BOTH OF THEM.
- Sparky
@Mark, of interest (well not really) is the location of Front Left guy's left hand.
- Travis Koger
The photo of Akiva in the jacuzzi with the Texas A&M cheerleaders would be so much more popular. Now if only someone would post it.
- Christopher Harley
Noooooooooooooooooooooo! Posted March 1st and we are still enduring the wrath! "Akiva's posts, now with more staying power than ever before!"
- Nicholas Kreidberg
YAY! OVER 1000 COMMENTS BLAAAARGBLBLLB
- Josh Haley
It feels like Groundhog Day whenever I see this.
- Andru Edwards
Except that unlike Groundhog Day this is AWESOME!
- Sparky
This thread was how I discovered Akiva. ROFL... Y.M.C.A.! BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP! GAZE AT IT! DON'T LOOK AWAY! >:O I SED DON'T LOOK AWAY!!! ... ^_^
- Danny Minick
You have nothing to fear - I never look away.
- Sparky
On Fark, there was this one thread, that just kept growing and growing. On Fark, it was a single page per thread. And you could post images and gif inline. Well the thread wouldn't die, people just kept posting. I forget which one it was. Anyway, it got so monsterous, that few people going to read/post to it per day (which was only a handfull) accounted for 1/3 of the server load of the site. They eventually had to cull that thread.
- Matthew DeVries
I think everyone who has participated in this thread has 'culled' themselves privately.
- Akiva Moskovitz
What with all the copycat images this has inspired I hope our muse continues to stick around and not get lost in the shuffle of so many knockoffs.
- Sparky
SHUT UP SPARKY!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111!!!!
- Andru Edwards
I refuse to shut up about the glory that is this thread. REFUSE.
- Sparky
Yes, Vezquex, I'm jealous of those guys, it is warm there, nothing like a warm beatch..
- David Gross
from email
Yes, Sparky, they do not know how good they have it there frolicking on the beach while we freeze up here.. Hard to believe it is only 49 degrees, feels like 29.. I bet it's at least 85 degrees on that beach.
- David Gross
from email
Anyone who doesn't appreciate this thread is clearly not developing a FriendFeed iPhone client because this is a great stress test case. (It crashes BuddyFeed, by the way.)
- Akiva Moskovitz
from iPhone
Also it exercises the crap out of your thumb trying to scroll down to the bottom of it.
- Akiva Moskovitz
from iPhone
Do you need to appreciate the pic in order to appreciate the thread?
- Travis Koger
If I un-collapse this thread, will it break my computer?
- Eivind
Every time this thread gets a bumped, god kills a kitten
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew, you may have given some people more reason to keep bumping this thread.
- Victor Ganata
How does it give you thumb exercise? Whatever you're doing, why don't you either use the keyboard or switch to Linux so you can middle-click the scrollbar to jump to where you want? :P
- Tanath
actually this thread does not bother me because I get it in email and gmail groups them and starts new thread after every 100 comments. I have it autoarchived so I do not have to see on phone lol and just see when I look at my ffeed label in gmail.
- David Gross
from email
disgusting? HOW DARE YOU, SIR! That is j-love! and it's beautiful (in it's own way.. a way that shouldn't be seen in public)
- Kyle Johnson
this is probably the most popular feed of 2009 in FF. lol.
- Bora Mesut PALAS
I think the one where Robert Scoble gave away money easily beats this one, but this post has staying power. ;-)
- Jason Huebel
I think that Chinese at FF post was a marriage proposal thing. They were all trying to bump the guy's photo so that it would be the first thing his girlfriend would see when she logged onto FF.
- Kamilah Gill
On the first day of Christmas my true love gave to me, 1 salty beach, 2 pairs of glasses, 3 lords a licking, 4 chubby men, 5 santa hats(O_o), 6 rolls of fat, 7 ????, and 8 moobs to view.
- Jimminy Fuller
Hey, I'd be willing to let random guys suck on my nipples if it meant I'd lose all my extra weight. *waits for wiseass random guys to suggest it DOES mean that*
- Spidra Webster
I do NOT want these for my birthday. And if anyone ever *thinks* about buying this crap for my girl, I'll stomp a hole in them AND talk bad about they mama all over the internet.
You thought I was annoyed when I posted all the pink MiniBlocs and Tinkertoys crap, this had me fuming. A fucking pink 8 ball? SERIOUSLY? This stupid marketing to girls has got to stop. I managed to play Yahtzee just fine without a furry pink cup and dice with friggin' butterflies and flowers.
- Admiral Anika
My 5 yr old daughter would love these :(
- WorldofHiglet
Pink is so overdone with girls' stuff... and it looks like it's gotten worse.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Hig, you do see Ilia's hand on the telescope. I just sucked my teeth and kept on walking.
- Admiral Anika
The latest offense I've seen is the lilac *Hanna Montana* PSP. This stuff aggravates me so. much.
- Kamilah Gill
Anika, is Ilia not allowed to have ANYTHING pink?
- Soup
I don't mind the pink telescope in particular. I don't feel that girls should have to shun pink in order to like science (and while I'd be really, really annoyed to be limited to lip gloss and makeup...if you think about it, all of those products require a mastery of chemistry as well as many other things and yet they're looked down on simply because women are the primary market…I had a...
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- joey
What's wrong with a science set that makes lip gloss? It's still chemistry, and not all chemists have to be pharmaceutical researchers. If it gets a young girl interested in science, let it be pink. Maybe then if it is pink, she won't have to worry about her peers thinking she's a nerd or somehow less-than-feminine for liking things that aren't traditionally thought of as feminine pursuits.
- cecily
The pinkification I still find dangerous - again this idea that to be "ok" a girl has to fit such a narrow narrow narrow range, this conformism you pick up, this required constant worry about fitting in and what others might think... I think it is conditioning. On the other hand the trivialisation of "girly" interests is also negative, the idea that if you make red ink or light acid...
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- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I'm raising my kid not to be worried about what others think of her. I don't care what the chemistry set makes, it's that it's pink. She can make lip glass with a standard chemistry set. I don't see how making things pink make it okay for a girl to pursue certain interests. I had most of these toys as a child in normal primary colors. Besides extracting more money from parents (because yes, these do costs more than the "regular" ones) what purpose does the pink serve besides to trivialize?
- Admiral Anika
And Ilia has pink stuff. I don't like it, but she does. <--That has nothing to do with pink being "girly" I just think the color is pukey. But I don't go out of my way to buy her pink stuff (Sanrio stuff, excepted) and depending on the item, I'll let it slide. But this stuff? HELL NO.
- Admiral Anika
Pink doesn't trivialize. Pink is a colour. We put our own meaning on it. EDIT: And while I'm not a parent, I was a little girl/teenage girl once, and I know that sometimes the opinions of our peers counts more than the opinions of our parents. If that weren't the case, I never would've ridden my bike in the street, rollerskated down the huge hill at my elementary school, or as I got...
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- cecily
Joelle, that's how I feel about it...that there are implications on both sides for conditioning and of trivialization of traditionally 'feminine' interests. It's tough, because both of them are things that I want to avoid.
- joey
Okay, maybe the color itself doesn't trivialize, but the flowers and butterflies on the Yahtzee game, the fact that the telescope is less powerful, but costs more, the microscope that that doesn't come with blood or bug slides...I have a pretty smart, girly girl who is interested in science as it is.
- Admiral Anika
And FWIW, I hated pink as a little girl, unless it was pale pink ribbons on the ends of my pigtails. :)
- cecily
Anika, if the telescope is less powerful and that the microscope is less complete, etc. then that is a totally different issue to me. THAT is trivializing. Like, 'oh here, have your play toy while the boys have their real one.'
- joey
What Joey said. It isn't about the colour necessarily, it's about that they're limiting the features because they're targeting girls.
- cecily
And Cecily, I was raised (as just about everyone in our family) that what others think of your (honest) pursuits, the clothes you wear and all that is frivolous as long as you do what makes you happy and enjoy your pursuits. I'm teaching her the same thing. I've never been a herd-follower. If anyone had an issue with it when I was little, I never heard it. I got mocked for clothes I wore, but then in a year everyone else was wearing it too. Still, never cared because I thought I looked good. =)
- Admiral Anika
I think it's less about being part of the 'herd', than it is part of a child's process of individuating from their parents and making their own choices, even if those choices are informed by their friends. There are different spheres of influence, and they all contribute to a child's development.
- cecily
I think so long as you don't make it not okay for Ilia to like pink your efforts, Anika, are commendable. She (and any other little girl) should never feel they can ONLY use some colours/toys/items just as they shouldn't feel they can NEVER use some colours/toys/items. As far as children following their parents example or their peers...it really depends on the child and on the home life. I never cared what other kids my age thought of me, in fact I generally thought they were immature little drones.
- Soup
By the way Anika, how old is Ilia? I think she might be quite small yet, yes? I ask because I have a book series I think you'd both enjoy but it's a chapter book series for young adults (late elementary-middle school depending on the kid)
- Soup
She's 6.5 right now. She's been getting read chapter books for the past 3 years. It's only recently that I started reading her fiction for her age group.
- Admiral Anika
Why is blue not crammed down the throats of our little boys the way pink is for our girls? How come all their toys aren't in blue? Where is the blue is for boys easy bake oven that makes bug shaped cakes? Little blue vacuum cleaners that don't pick up as much dirt as the ones made for little girls? Yeah sure you can say there is nothing wrong with all this inferior pink girly crap meant...
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- April Russo (app103)
April, I agree with much of that, but by saying that only the 'blue' one is the 'legitimate' one, we're already making it just as bad for boys and cramming each gender in their respective box. Why is blue or black or whatever real and 'regular' (the standard of normalcy) and pink fake and inferior? I just think the issues go deeper than the color. Who decides what is 'overly' feminine...
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- joey
As a parent of small children of both sexes, I think this hyper-gendertyping is dangerous for them both. It's almost impossible to buy my son regular clothes. They're covered in modes of transportations, reptiles and such. There IS a boy's version of the Easy Bake oven and it's blue and grey. My kids play just fine with their toys at home. Both of my kids used to carry a little pink...
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- Admiral Anika
Anika, I agree. I think we should have choices and that there should be more neutrality in general rather than things typed for one gender being 'normal' while others are 'inferior' or things being segregated. *&&*^#&$^ marketing.
- joey
Oh boy, Anika, don't come to Japan then. A story: a friend from the US came to a dinner, and we went to a nice Japanese restaurant in Tokyo called Gompachi (where Bush and Koizumi went, but that's a different WMD). He had to use the boy's room, and so I steered him in that direction. After a couple minutes, he comes back to the table and asks: so, er, which is the mens' room - the...
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- Rick Cogley
While this video is a parody of the feminizing of toys and games, it really does hit the nail right on the head with what is wrong with so much of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- April Russo (app103)
I can't help thinking that if it were really a "it's just a color; some people like pink" issue, then these toys would come in a rainbow of colors, not just a couple of narrowly gender-associated colors.
- Rachel Walden
"When Lamya Cammon , a first-grader at Congress Elementary in Milwaukee, was caught playing with her hair, her teacher brought her to the front of the class, cut off one of her braids with a pair of classroom scissors, and threw it in the trash. "She told me to stop playing with it. Then cut it off and sent me back to my desk," Cammon said in an interview with Milwaukee's News 12."
- Shevonne
from Bookmarklet
When I was registering for class as a sophomore, the vice principal was walking the line with a pair of scissors, either offering to cut any guy's hair that was below the collar or sending them home. I told him he wasn't laying a hand on me so I left and registered later. Later that school year, after getting in trouble for some shenanigans in chemistry class, for a punishment he...
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- Akiva Moskovitz
That is just nuts! She needs to be slapped and then fired. And at some point, someone should cut her hair.
- Jill Hurst-Wahl
That teacher would have got her ass beat. Legal or not, I'm quite sure my kids mother would consider that assault on her child and it would be on and poppin.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I don't like thinking about what I would do if I were the parent in this case.
- ha3rvey (just a friend)
The American education system is doing a terrific job of preparing young Americans for the America in which they live, one where they have no personal freedoms or autonomy and no access to the right to express themselves or rights set out in the Constitution. In fact, in teaching students the Constitution the education system is perpetrating, imo, the biggest hypocrisy I've ever seen.
- Will Higgins™
What if your boss told you you had to cut your hair or you'd get sacked? Kids->Adults, rights.
- Will Higgins™
That teacher is in for a world of hurt.
- cecily
from iPhone
No doubt, Akiva. The teacher was out of line, but really? As I recall, "freedom of expression" was not the norm when I was in school. If it had been, we would not have accomplished much.
- Bren -- Not Grinchy
from iPhone
My job dictates all sorts of things about my appearance, as do many corporate jobs.
- Bren -- Not Grinchy
from iPhone
My boss can sack me for far less than cutting my hair.
- Mistletoe Glen
What's the reason for that rule, 'Sheen?
- Will Higgins™
If you work in a Disney Park: No moustache allowed (at least it used to be true, not sure today). EDIT: Correction, no facial hair at all until year 2000 at which point it became *only* neatly trimmed moustache.
- Micah Wittman
The reason for our rules is that we are representing the company, and the company wants to project a specific image. That is generally why companies have dress codes, grooming policies, etc.
- Bren -- Not Grinchy
from iPhone
Will, employers do enforce dress codes. It's not some violation of freedom. If you don't like it, suck it up and go get a job that better suits your Flock of Seagulls hairstyle.
- Akiva Moskovitz
The difference is that you guys are adults and can make choices about facial hair, etc. I doubt that a boss would bring you in front of the company and forcibly shave you. This child's mother put a lot of love and work into her daughter's hair; to cut it off crosses a major line and says more about that teacher's inability to manage a single student than it does about the child.
- cecily
from iPhone
Cutting a child's hair as punishment is seriously out of line. How could anyone even *think* to do something like that??
- Kamilah Gill
cecily, right, and I don't mean my comments to construe that I support this (as my first comment should prove). I was just snarking on Will unnecessarily taking this opportunity to utilize an isolated incident as a rationalize to mount his bitter soapbox.
- Akiva Moskovitz
So wrong!! Completely out of line. And, while a lot of people twirl their hair, I wonder if that "teacher" knows that it is a common behavior among girls with ADHD who don't always express the hyperactive part in the same way that boys do. Regardless, no one should get in trouble for twirling his/her hair and cutting a child's hair without permission is way over the line.
- Katy S
Asking the child to go home and cut their hair is fine, schools here do that to keep up their appearance but to cut it themselves is way out of line. No one should be touching anyone, unless you're in Asia (that's another story). My work also gets us to be clean shaven unless you've already got an established beard which must be tidy.
- Andrew Trinh
from IM
cecily: no question that the teacher was wildly out of line. My comments had more to do with Will's passionate, if hyperbolic, decrying of the loss of personal freedom. While cutting off *a braid* was wrong, in the grand scheme of things I don't see that it equates to, say, turning the firehoses on protesters in Birmingham, or even striking misbehaving children (as often happened/happens in schools). I therefore contend that the response in this thread is, by and large, somewhat overwrought.
- Bren -- Not Grinchy
from iPhone
Um, I would say that the fact that the teacher actually gives a crap if her students pay attention or not is kind of a good thing, even if her methods are unorthodox. People grabbing torches and chasing the monster to the lake is kind of the reason we're probably going to see more teachers caring less in the near future. Why bother when this could be the result?
- Noah Belson
This isn't care, it's abuse, Noah. There's a difference.
- Kamilah Gill
I do not see this as a good example of a teacher who "cares"; rather, this is an example of a teacher who has not established control of the class, and has acted inappropriately in lieu of proper discipline.
- Bren -- Not Grinchy
from iPhone
That's true, Kamilah. Though I'm wondering where we're going to draw the line as more and more stories like this crop up. What's next to be considered abuse? Making kids spit out gum? Giving them detention? This time the teacher was in the wrong, but next time she may not be and we're likely to be so gung ho that we completely jump off the deep end (which we humans do so well). Just a thought...
- Noah Belson
Noah - did you see my comment about kids with adhd? Behaviors like hair twirling can actually help them focus on the task at hand. I'm not saying this girl has adhd, but teachers should be aware of this sort of thing. Also, the kid's in 1st grade. She's probably only 6 or 7. If the teacher couldn't handle hair twirling, she probably can't handle other behavior issues that happen at that age.
- Katy S
I'm surprised it took so long for someone to break out the old "slippery slope" ... Thanks for not letting me down, Noah
- Bren -- Not Grinchy
from iPhone
All true, Katy. No question, what the teacher did was wrong.
- Noah Belson
Are teachers even allowed to discipline kids at all anymore? In any way whatsoever?
- Akiva Moskovitz
Bren, I'm not sure which worse, being the guy on the internet who does something cliched, or being the guy who points out the guy who does something cliched. Both are kind of odious, but the latter can't really exist without the former.
- Noah Belson
Detention and making kids spit out gum don't involve touching the offending child. This case here was a violation. Paddling *used* to be okay, but it's not anymore, probably because it could easily be abused. Cutting a kid's hair off has never been okay. How do you think your parent would have felt back when you were a kid if you got a hunk of your hair cut off as punishment by some adult? or how would you feel about this happening to your own child?
- Kamilah Gill
Akiva - Of course they can. Cutting off a child's hair is not discipline, though. It is assault. Having said that, some states (and it all depends on individual state laws and then the local school district regulations ) still permit corporal punishment. I don't agree with that. There are many other ways to discipline children that don't involve assaulting them.
- Katy S
Given what you said and when you said it, it's abundantly clear, yep.
- Noah Belson
Although, I do try to pick my spots. I save my snark for only the most egregious occassions.
- Bren -- Not Grinchy
from iPhone
Actually I respect that, Bren. I try to do the same, though with limited success.
- Noah Belson
Kamilah - Did you know that corporal punishment is legal in Indiana? It is banned in many individual school districts and schools, but the state allows it.
- Katy S
No. Hope Carmel bans it. We need to get out of the frigging dark ages here. This state gets on my nerves regularly.
- Kamilah Gill
I'm pretty sure my former district does now. When I was in elementary school, it didn't, although I do remember when there was a switch from allowing teachers to paddle students to only allowing the principal to do it. I remember in 5th grade there were 3 boys in my science class who were paddled by the teacher at least once a week. You'd think that teacher would notice that his idea of discipline didn't work. If it did, there would not be weekly paddlings of the same kids.
- Katy S
I'd be worried that someone was getting a perverse thrill out of paddling kids, especially in that weekly paddling situation you describe...
- Kamilah Gill
Yeah, me too. Those three were trouble and kept getting into trouble (although they did turn out to be mostly ok adults), but the constant paddling was not effective.
- Katy S
i feel worse for the teacher than for the girl. the teacher should pay the fine and then be given some stress mgmt counseling. and then the US school system should be overhauled. see? so easy. ;)
- edythe
IMO it was highly inappropriate on the teacher's part. First graders are going to fidget. It's not like the kid was doing anything outrageous.
- Andrew C
That was an abusive move on the part of the teacher. Sure, hair grows back, but to cut off the hair of a first grader for fidgeting? Gonna have a lot of bald kids. How about making the class a bit more interesting then... Anyways, if it were my child, I'd turn into a "monster parent" pretty darn quick.
- Rick Cogley
" How about making the class a bit more interesting then" ... I'd probably argue against the assumption that class must be "interesting" - and argue that edutainment has destroyed creativity and self-discipline. Kids now wait to be entertained rather than being creative on their own.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
In Japan, though, teachers' hands are tied so tightly that they can't do anything. My wife is an assistant teacher for the school district for English classes. Says it's completely out of control. Both my wife and I grew up when corporal punishment and other various abuses were considered normal, but now that pendulum has really swung so far to the other side, that teachers can't do or say anything, here in Japan, for fear they'll be sued. And this isn't even a litigious society.
- Rick Cogley
LPH and/or dog P, yeah, maybe my comment was ill-considered. There are indeed a lot of influences that might contribute to a fidgety situation.
- Rick Cogley
I'm one of those people that would normally be in favour of the teacher. Hair grows back, it's not really assault (no bodily HARM done, cutting hair doesn't hurt), and the teacher was trying to maintain order in the class. That being said, this is just idiotic. Kids (and adults, for that matter) play with hair all the time. Was this really something that needed disciplinary action? I'm...
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- FF's Bubba of Arizona
I really dislike the American way of quoting prices without tax. When I have to pay for something, I mostly care about how much money I have to pay overall, and not where the money goes.
While this is not too bad when all you have to deal with is a 7-9% sales tax, it's annoying in the case of airline tickets, where "taxes and fees" may be up to 50% of the overall price.
- Tudor Bosman
They've been trying to pass a law in Canada to force airlines to advertise their fares "all-in" but the airline lobbyists are winning so far.
- Kenton
yeah the sales tax can annoy me to no end... mostly because I'm a total scrooge. Also when they add euro VAT to stuff just before checkout on Amazon, I always have to think about why the price is suddenly 25% higher (Danish VAT is 25% normally included the advertised price)
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Forcing them to add tax in will just make things cost more. Because lets say something costs $299, or $320 with tax. If they're forced to advertise total price, then guess what will happen? Retailers *love* their -9 pricing schemes. They'll raise the price to make the total have that 9 at the end again. They certainly won't *lower* the price to do that...
- Otto
Otto: the same argument applies for any change in the pricing structure. Suppose the situation were reversed: suppose prices included the tax, and retailers were considering removing the tax from advertised prices; they'd rise the price such that the new advertised price ended with a 9...
- Tudor Bosman
from Android
Tudor: I agree with your logic. Both cases are true. Which means that I'm for the status quo, I suppose. :)
- Otto
Completely agree Tudor. That was the biggest shocks when we moved to the US. Back in Turkey, everything is tax included and you know how much you are going to spend: no surprises.
- Eren Emre Kanal
<side-rant>Checked on price for round trip flight from a Calgary, Canada to LAX. IT WAS DOUBLE THE PRICE compared to LAX to Calgary. Same exact flight time, other parameters except reverse starting point that is.</side-rant>
- Micah Wittman
There's a political reason why some would want it separate: it makes it more visceral what the government's take is. You feel the sales tax as an increase on what you wanted to pay.
- Ray Cromwell
Not including the tax encourages consumption. We need the economic stimulus :).
- Gary Burd
Otto: also, people understand very, very well how to compare prices -- "lower is better". This is why a merchant deciding to include the tax in the advertised price unilaterally would lose in the marketplace; people would see their prices as higher, and would be dissuaded from shopping there, even before thinking about the fact that taxes are included. This is also why, I think, prices...
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- Tudor Bosman
Micah, an article in the Calgary Herald on Saturday had someone compare prices from Toronto to Vancouver (about $1,000.00) v.s. Buffalo to Seattle and then shuttle to Vancouver (about $500.00). The taxes are killers.
- Kenton
I don't want it to be different than how I expect it
- Mistletoe Glen
There is a big problem that can occur for the companies with this adding the tax into the price and displaying the total on the tags & advertising instead of the base price. Think about a large chain of stores with locations all over the US, where the tags and advertising are made in bulk and then distributed to stores all over the country. Or the stuff is pre-tagged at a central...
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- April Russo (app103)
That's why you abolish state taxes with a single GST
- Bryce Roney
from iPhone
Then what do you do about areas like in depressed parts of NJ where they have a 50% reduction in the taxes to encourage businesses to open shop and create jobs there, and people to go and shop there?
- April Russo (app103)
Japan made it a law that retailer must make it crystal clear if it is with or without. Lots of parentheses after prices now. In japan it's five pct consumption tax everywhere but airlines still play games!
- Rick Cogley
from iPhone
Taxes that are not separated are taxes that are not noticed (and thus, easier to raise). Take a look at gasoline taxes in the US, the amount of which few at the pump could identify if they had to. Keeping them out of the price helps to keep them lower overall.
- Andrew Leyden
If you abolished state and local sales taxes and replaced it with a single GST, wouldn't that mean that in some states that didn't have a sales tax, that consumers would be suddenly paying more? And what gets taxed? Some states would lose money if you remove the tax from some items, while other states consumers would end up paying more because items that were previously exempt from sales tax, now are taxed.
- April Russo (app103)
We need an augmented reality app that can just tell you as you have the camera on the price what the real price is :-) Yes lazy don't want to do my own calculations solution, but sales tax is always stupid % like 7% or 8%
- Rasmus Lauridsen
I liked it better when NJ had a 5% tax. Paid less and it was easy to figure out in your head. Now it's 7% and 3.5% in Urban Enterprise Zones.
- April Russo (app103)
April: that's a fair point; what I'm suggesting would make life harder for retailers, while making it easier for consumers. It's a worthy trade-off, in my opinion. Also, stores that operate in multiple locations already have knowledge about the local tax rules; after all, they need to calculate and remit the taxes to the appropriate authorities; that information now has to end up on labels.
- Tudor Bosman
Although big box stores would probably not be affected. The few big stores I shop at (Safeway, Walgreens, Fry's, Costco, Best Buy) don't have labels on items, but only on the shelves (except for bulk groceries and meats, which are presumably cut, weighed, and labeled in the local store anyway). And they already print different labels for different stores, because of time-limited, regional promotions.
- Tudor Bosman
Rasmus, here the sales tax is 8.25%. To compute this, divide the price by twelve, then subtract 1% of the result.
- Ruchira S. Datta
One part of the reason why they're separate is to prevent double-taxation: the revenue before tax is considered earned income, and is taxed as such, leaving the sales tax collected separate and untaxed. If they're rolled into one price, it's harder to determine if the sales tax was charged, or if the price was simply higher. Additionally, since sales tax is a levy on the consumer, not...
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- Mark Trapp
Taxes and fees are a little over $30 on my cable/internet bill, almost $60 for my water/trash/electricity. It's so depressing to open my bill to see the total, then getting to the bottom of the page or the next page to see all the little extra fees.
- Admiral Anika
Mark: they can be separate on the receipt, and bundled together on the tag. Or display both: (in small font) $35 + $2.89 tax = (big font) $37.89.
- Tudor Bosman
Tudor, the obligation is on the consumer, not the retailer, to pay the levy to the government. One other thing I'm thinking about is there is a subset of the population that's tax exempt or partially tax exempt, and would not pay the big, stated price. So then is it a discount, or was the price incorrectly stated? Is the retailer trying to tax an individual who is exempt? Leaving it up...
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- Mark Trapp
Mark: How is the tax-exempt population dealt with today? Do I go into Walgreens and show some form of ID at the checkout counter, and I don't get charged sales tax? I don't think I've ever seen this happen.
- Tudor Bosman
I know some *items* are tax-exempt (food, and possibly others, depending on locality), but that's not a problem; the store already knows which ones they are, as they levy the tax appropriately.
- Tudor Bosman
Tudor: yeah. You have documentation either on file with the store (or you bring the documentation to the register) that states you're exempt, and you wind up not paying it. NPOs, certain income levels in certain jurisdictions, and public workers in some special cases are all tax-exampt. Having worked with sales tax over the years, it's a hard concept to convey when it all goes into the...
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- Mark Trapp
Sales Tax exemption depends on various local and state laws. Stores deal with it automatically for cases where certain types of items are exempt (like food items in Kentucky are tax-free). Other cases are where items are purchased for resale, in which you generally have to set up an account with the stores in question and file documentation with them of your tax-exempt status. And that...
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- Otto
Thinking about this a little more, I guess the point I'm making is that the government only intercedes after the act of sale: that is, the retailer isn't in business with the government. The setup that exists now is that the retailer controls their business up until the point of sale, where their hand is forced to collect taxes for the government. When you change the advertised price to...
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- Mark Trapp
Mark: I can see your point, although I don't empathize with it :) Maybe it's because I lived outside of the US until 1997, and the system I describe is in use throughout Europe; it was baffling to me to not know exactly how much I have to pay until the register. Two prices on the tag would, I think, satisfy most folks: if you're tax-exempt, you pay the first one, and the second one (including tax) is in a bigger font, simply because that's what most consumers will pay.
- Tudor Bosman
Seriously? Did you get a Droid too, Yo?
- Mona Nomura
No. I couldn't justify spending $550 on it. :(
- Yolanda
Is it AT&T or the iPhone that's making you switch to Droid?
- John Wang
from iPhone
Both - I was blown away by the snappy responsiveness of Droid and I really miss the push notifications displayed on top. Also, the little things make it fun i.e. the security connect the dots unlocking. The handset itself feels really good in my hand and I think the accelerometer on Droid is more accurate (?) responsive (?) than the iPhone. The keyboard doesn't feel as junky as people...
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- Mona Nomura
I messed around with my friend's Droid. Believe me, I do want one. I loved how much faster it seemed and the display was sharper. I just couldn't get one at the discounted rate and the regular price is just GAH!
- Yolanda
I played with a Droid on sunday and it rocked. I've always been super zealous about the iPhone but 2 years of dropped call and AT&T service has soured me big time. And then, having messed around on a Droid, realized what a quick responsive OS really feels like -- and the download / upload time was easily 10x better than iPhone.
- Marko Bon
I used the DROID exclusively for two weeks when reviewing it. It's a good phone, but it doesn't beat the iPhone in my book. I did say in my review that it's the first true iPhone competitor though, and IMO it's the second-best phone on the market.
- Andru Edwards
Marko - agree on all counts. Dru, I think it's a BB competitor - true business users can finally have a phone that is fun, too. The mail system on iPhones STINK. Android exchange implementation blows Apple's away.
- Mona Nomura
Care to share the original, Mona? Me likey.
- Mark Douglass
my brother-in-law, iPhone guy from day one, just took the side-by-side test in preparation to switch to the Droid, says that lack of multi-touch is a "bigger issue than expected" for him, can't zoom in on web pages. Also says that in comparison the browser is "laggy for swipe-scrolling." But says he loved the keyboard despite the bad press he read about it. ( @docbrody )
- Marko Bon
What am I thankful for? Life. My friends. Unconditional love and the fact that my fears and insecurities haven't frightened you all off. That I woke up today with the hopes of being a better person than I was yesterday. And knowing, above all, that you, me, us...we all matter.
How could any of your fears and insecurities scare us off when your comedy and your caring are always present in such wonderful abundance? :) ((hugs))
- edythe
from iPhone
awww....Barry, that was very sweet! :-))
- Anna Haro
I need to find a list of UK speak so that I can incorporate it in my daily vernacular here in the States. :)
- Derrick
gotta wonder how many of these are transformers
- vijay
@derrick a fav outburst of mine is "goat molesting, gerbil felcher". If I want to confuse a person, I'll yell "yoda raped your dog". list of some apparently strong profanities removed to stop kols thread from deteriating :)
- alphaxion
Oh my stars, alpha...anything a little less, uh, vulgar? A friend I studied with here went to boarding school in London (originally from Thailand) and he used to call people stupid gits. I always loved that.
- Derrick
there's the modifier of git - get. eg "cheeky gets!". Sorry if I turned the thread blue, I was being a cuntmuffin ;)
- alphaxion
I love these sorts of creative things!
- Rick Cogley
I always wish they'd show what these things look like from something other than the exactly perfect perspective. Because to most people passing by these would look totally different.
- Brian Johns
These never get old. Thanks for sharing. :)
- Kevin Winn
What a great Aardvark question! I never get such good questions! My money's on Lee.
- Martha
Hehe, Martha. I do get some very random ones. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I must have been under a rock or something, not knowing Tony Jaa's name. Hard to speculate who would have been the better fighter, but Tony Jaa's pretty amazing, at least on the various YouTube clips.
- Rick Cogley
I have to admit that it would be one hell of a fight.
- Parvez Halim
JKD has changed a lot since Bruce Lee's death. I have all of the martial arts books Bruce Lee authored and I can tell you that Dan Inosanto really did a great job of evolving what Bruce Lee started. With that said, Bruce Lee's jun fan kung fu is no match for muay thai, which is now a major part of modern JKD.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Who would win? Both of them. They wouldn't be fighting each other, they'd be busy beating up the bad guys.
- Slappy Line
I'm a personality test junkie - here's a new one I just found: http://www.signalpatterns.com/persona.... It's got me fairly well, I think, though the questions are of the "are you like this or like this" variety, which I think aren't as accurate - too easy to game. Also, makes you sign up to get the results. But, pretty graph!
Introspective - You like your own company; you're a very interesting person. Tracking your own mental processes, knowing what you're thinking and why you do what you do, is important to you. Often, what's going on in your mind is more compelling than what's going on outside. For the most part, those with a high score on the "introspective" trait enjoy reading, taking long walks, learning new things, and other solitary activities. You are not someone who is constantly looking to be among a group of friends; you never feel bored when you are by yourself.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Aesthetic -You appreciate art, beauty, and design; you know that they are not superficial but absolutely crucial to living the good life. You have good taste, and you're proud of it. Those with a high score on the "aesthetic" trait are often employed in literary or artistic professions, enjoy domestic activities — doing things around the house — and are enthusiastic about the arts,...
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- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Intellectual - You are thoughtful, rational, and comfortable in the world of ideas. People find you interesting to talk to. You're the living embodiment of the saying "You learn something new every day." In general, those with a high score on the "intellectual" trait are employed in such fields as teaching and research, and are enthusiastic about reading, foreign films, and classical...
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- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Accessible - You're comfortable expressing yourself in words and actions, with no self-censorship. You believe that if someone doesn't like what they see it's not your problem, but theirs. A high score on the "accessible" trait suggests that you have a lot of friends, socialize often, and enjoy rap/hip-hop music [NOT TRUE]. You don't see the need to keep your thoughts to yourself, or to have a zone of privacy that encompasses only yourself and a small circle of friends and relatives.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Unflappable - You are not a slave to your emotions. It takes a lot to upset or unnerve you. That's why you're a good person to have around in a crisis. You don't let it all hang out, which means that those around you often don't know the pressures you're under or what you're going through. You're not the kind of person people run from in a crisis.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Creative - You are good at solving problems, coming up with original ideas, and seeing connections between things, connections that most other people miss. People with a high score on the "creative" trait often are employed in such fields as finance and scientific research, and enjoy avant garde and classical music as well as literary fiction and scholarly non-fiction. You do not shun abstractions and concepts in favor of the concrete and tangible.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
I stay away from personality tests. They all tell me I'm just waiting for the moment my inner-tyrant can break out. :(
- Admiral Anika
I figure that second and third sentence of the Introspective trait (i.e., my most pronounced trait according to this test) is why I like personality tests so much: "Tracking your own mental processes, knowing what you're thinking and why you do what you do, is important to you. Often, what's going on in your mind is more compelling than what's going on outside." Heh. In other words, I'm totally egocentric. Yeah!
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Interesting! We share some traits and I'm envious of some of the others that we don't share!
- joey
my result was like more than ninety percent like you. :D
- Mahmood Padura
I ranked highly in the intellectual, passionate and understanding areas. Especially being empathetic (duh). A lot of these tests that aren't Meyers-Briggs don't seem to really get me, but I wonder if that's just because they're less based on research? IDK.
- Lis Miller
This was informative, and my reaction to the results was even more informative. Apparently I'm secretly a tyrant like Anika. In fact I think I have the same results as Dumbledore would, good thing I'm not all-powerful.
- Lo
This could be very good! "Google software luminaries such as Unix co-creator Ken Thompson believe that they can help boost both computing power and programmers' abilities with an experimental programming language project called Go. And on Tuesday, they're taking the veil of secrecy off Go, releasing what they've built so far and inviting others to join the newly open-source project."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
What do you think, Paul? I know it's early, but Python latched on at Google... Think this is a response? And just on a lark, do you think Go may be headed for the browser at some point (to replace javascript)? Many of us have wondered if Chrome will take a stab at reinventing/reworking the web stack. Go feels more like a back-end tool, but wondering what came to your mind when you saw this...
- Christopher Galtenberg
Christopher, Python is nice, but we need a new system language, something high-performance to replace C/C++. This may be it.
- Paul Buchheit
My first reaction was oh yay, another C like language with brackets to make it acceptable. Having Rob Pike and Thompson on the team is impressive but makes me think of a plan9 resurrection. Using CSPs though is pretty cool and it looks like it supports mobile tasks.
- Todd Hoff
"Specifically, Go uses a technology dating back to the 1960s called CSP, or communicating sequential processes, that handles interactions among a set of cooperating programs, Pike said. The technology made an appearance in programming languages such as Occom and Erlang, but it generally hasn't been applied in systems programming."
- Paul Buchheit
If Google uses this for internal projects, that will give it a big advantage over something like plan9 in terms of being practical (not to mention the fact that it's free software, which plan9 was not, and a programming language, not an OS).
- Paul Buchheit
I am very excited about this, it's not genius or rocket science but it maybe the language to put alongisde C/C++ for real. I thought it was going to be D, maybe this is it
- Lawrence Oluyede
D seems too fragmented to be usable. All my hopes are on Go now :)
- Paul Buchheit
And note that the language is designed to be IDE independent.
- Piaw Na
Plan9 was a set of composable tools. In this case Google is providing the OS and the tools.
- Todd Hoff
Please ; at the end of lines... (I hate languages without ; for some psychological reasons)
- Ozgur Demir
I am no fan of language features designed to ease parsing but i suppose that's important for a system language? But it's hardly a user (i.e. programmer)-centric design. I think they should have drawn more from Scala (for concurrency model) and Io (for a beautiful syntax) instead of the messy, old languages they chose. Luckily, it's not designed for my needs so i'll never have to worry about it.
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@ozgurdemir I agree. Either require them or don't. Don't make them optional in some cases. It confuses what programmers generally expect of a programming language: consistency.
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Just checked and hated it. Sorry guys, it's not about the rest of the language.. it's just the ;'s.
- Ozgur Demir
while checking it, I noticed how much I love C / Java syntax and how lame to trying to change it just for to make a new product different.
- Ozgur Demir
@Paul you should know better than to confuse a language with its implementation! The people working on this all hail from the C/Java lineage and I don't know...may be fast but generally C is a hassle and Java is too dumbed-down. Trying to fix the mistakes they made in the past. Wonderful...
- Rudolf Olah
For god's sake, who cares what the syntax looks like? What matters is whether it solves useful problems or not. It's designed to clean up a lot of the problems stemming from the legacy of C[++], compile fast, execute fast, be appropriate for systems programming, and have good primitives for concurrency. Those are good goals in my book, and they fill a much-needed niche.
- Joel Webber
I thought it was kinda weird the way the video highlighted how fast it compiles. Compilation speed is great, and the vid was impressive, but I've never seen a language launch where that was highlighted so much. "Look, it compiles fast!!!!!! Oh, BTW, we are trying to solve concurrency".
- Nick Lothian
@Ozgur: Sure, but as long as the syntax isn't broken in some way, or ambiguous (VB6 comes to mind), it's surely much less important than what the language is capable of (compile speed, execution speed, what can be expressed, etc). Syntax seems like a distant third- or fourth-most important aspect to me.
- Joel Webber
@Nick: That kind of struck me as well when they first started talking about it. But when you consider that your main alternative is C++, and that compile times can get absolutely brutal (try compileing WebKit sometime -- it takes hours), it makes a bit more sense.
- Joel Webber
@Joel. yea, I can't say you're wrong and I am right.. these are all preferences.. for me, syntax is an important aspect in terms of code readability that's why I care since it becomes a real pain in the ass on a midsize or bigger project.
- Ozgur Demir
This thread is degenerating into rubbish. You know who you are - please stop.
- Christopher Galtenberg
from iPhone
@Joel yeah, I guess. But compiling something like that should take hours! Back when men were men and compiling a kernel on my 386 was a major undertaking success was so much more satisfying! Who are these young'uns Thompson & Pike and what do they know anyway!
- Nick Lothian
Yeah, really! Real programmers had to swap disks multiple times to run a Pascal compiler on Hello World for the C64 :)
- Joel Webber
Yeah, compilation speed doesn't mean too much. Would be nicer if they focused on the *thinking* part with regards to concurrency.
- Rudolf Olah
Compilation speeds mean a lot when you're dealing with the google programming model. This is a company that invented code search for internal use. (See as an example: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7613693...)
- Piaw Na
@Piaw - nice example. I only skipped through it, but I can't see why something like that makes compilation speed critical. It seems similar in concept to static analysis - more speed is good, but the lack of speed doesn't break the model.
- Nick Lothian
@nlothian: static analysis and compilation both include parsing. efficient parsing of C++ is rather hard to achieve, due to messy nature of multiply included files and macro substitutions. if code analysis takes hours (ok, half-hours), it ceases to be useful.
- 9000
Lack of speed totally breaks the model. When you can get your analysis and search tools to respond in sub 500ms, the model for coding completely changes. You no longer remember where files are --- you just search for them and expect the search tool to remember for you. This enables massive code sharing, and allows small teams to be extremely effective, since they can now leverage other teams' work.
- Piaw Na
Use an IDE for iterative development of the components you are working on, make modules independent through interfaces, do a nightly build so the bulk of build products like libraries etc are available, then these compile issues go away. Justifying based on compile times is so 1990s.
- Todd Hoff
Ah, but how exactly does your IDE allow you to do iterative development quickly? You have to be able to compile individual modules (whatever form they take) quickly enough to make this feasible. If you take C[++] as the de facto systems language, it fails badly on this front, because the only way to share interfaces among modules is via the preprocessor, and precompiled headers only get...
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- Joel Webber
C++ allows for abstract base classes. No implementation. Compose systems this way and you minimize recompilation. And I'm assuming the initial subsystems are developed in a mocked unit tested environment and then within a very narrow scope, so interface changes are minimized until the system test phase is reached. The compilation argument would make sense if they were talking about a...
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- Todd Hoff
Sure, but you still have to define the abstract base class (interface) in a header file somewhere, and individual .cc files end up depending upon a large number of these in practice, so that any change to one of them tends to force you to recompile a lot of object files. As you say, there are some ways of reducing this effect, but in practice large C++ systems end up taking forever and a day to compile (try compiling WebKit; a lot of Google code has this problem as well).
- Joel Webber
C++ templates are also implemented badly, which makes compilation slow.
- Piaw Na
Only if you don't compose your system well Joel. I've worked very comfortably on systems that took 12 hours to compile across a cluster of 32 build machines. I'm not saying I don't want a language where you don't have to go through all these hoops, but to say it's inevitable in C++ is not so, you just have to beat make into submission and not create a big ball of mud, which is good practice anyway.
- Todd Hoff
@Todd: Fair enough -- I'm definitely not saying you're wrong, and I have also worked on fairly large C++ code bases (mostly games) without everything going to hell in a handbasket. But you have to admit that it would be nice if you didn't have to wait many hours (or use a Google-sized build cluster) for compiling your code :)
- Joel Webber
I've worked "comfortably" on projects where the full rebuild time was a few hours on my local machine, but I can't say that I was ever working optimally. Even in the instant-on environment I'm working in now, there are occasionally changes that I have to wait a full build/deploy cycle to test and it almost always takes me 2-5x as long to solve problems in that case. You can multitask while you wait, but it's just not the same (IMHO, of course).
- Matt Mastracci
I think 12 hours to compile across 32 build machines is unacceptable. I want instant compilation. You know, the kind that Turbo Pascal used to have.
- Piaw Na
I think that there's a dramatic improvement in developer productivity when the compile-link-run cycle time goes from a minute to a second.
- Gary Burd
Piaw before you say what is or is not unacceptable you might want to take the trouble to know what problem is being solved. Turbo Pascal to a real deployed product like a unicycle is to the 5th fleet.
- Todd Hoff
But any, good, modern IDE compiles incrementally and continuously so there's no noticeable compilation step. Compilation shouldn't be a _highlight_ of a new language. It's nice and the ease of building developer tools is a benefit to uptake but, in the end, the language has to be something developers _want_ to read and write since we have to look at it so much. Syntax matters. It's why so much sugar is added to languages.
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As stated before, modern IDEs don't scale to google-sized code bases. Go is not designed for your tiny projects that fit in main memory. It's designed for large scale development projects.
- Piaw Na
@piaw You seem to assume that Google doesn't organize it's code. Any good project, regardless of size, especially for large projects, should be modularized. If Google has to load every piece of code into the IDE, they have more serious problems than Go will resolve. Trust me, I work on a project with tens of millions of lines of Java code and i've been responsible for analysis and...
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Well, Piaw actually did write a fair amount of the code at Google, so I'd give him a little more credit :) I know plenty of people at Google who *do* use Eclipse/IntelliJ on Google's code base (myself included), but you do have to break it into manageable chunks to make it work. That's sometimes easier said than done, to be fair.
- Joel Webber
When I worked for a large company in the internet advertising business, I found that dependency creep was a constant problem. I spent more time than I would have liked trying to get fast compilation time in Eclipse/IntelliJ. I welcome a tool that helps with this problem.
- Gary Burd
I think that time spent pruning and organizing your code and library is best instead spent working on better tools that make your development environment super fast and capable of scaling. That's the way Go was designed.
- Piaw Na
If you want fast turnaround, eliminate compiles all together. There's no reason why a language can't support a double or triple hybrid model. Look at a language like Factor, image based like Smalltalk, you write a function, and can patch it into the live running app instantaneously, where it will run interpreted in combination with compiled code, until the runtime gets around to...
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- Ray Cromwell
I noticed that Go has an interpreter work-in-progress living in its source. The start of an instant-run mode?
- Matt Mastracci
Smalltalk had a massive sharing problem --- you couldn't ever replicate what was in your Smalltalk image on someone else's machine. Eliminating compiles would be nice, but again, if you're solving problems at a massive scale, interpretation would be an order of magnitude loss in execution speed that you can't afford. That said, a Go interpreter would not be out of the question, or even hard to build.
- Piaw Na
@Piaw - was just reading "Coders at Work" this week and Ingalls (http://www.codersatwork.com/dan-ing...) was saying the exact opposite. He said he pauses his Mac machine and sends his Smalltalk system state over to a Windows developer and they start right up, debug, and fix.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
The point is not to have the production version run in interpretation, the point is to increase developer productivity by allowing a fast edit-run cycle, production builds can take as long as necessary. When you're in development mode, you often don't need full execution speed, you are checking for correctness. Take GWT for example. You can make changes to Java source, hit reload, and...
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- Ray Cromwell
What does production mean? An experiment that processes a large number of records so you can decide how to proceed with your line of research is hardly production, but it nevertheless has to execute fast over large amounts of data. You might think that it doesn't matter how quickly that runs, but the difference between 10 minutes and 100 minutes is huge in terms of productivity.
- Piaw Na
Yes, if you copied the entire image over, you could replicate a smalltalk VM. The problem is, then you have to live with the other guy's image and customizations. Smalltalk is great, but it really was designed as a single-user environment.
- Piaw Na
It depends how often you are running experiments over huge datasets like that. In the case where I needed some experimental data to proceed, yes, if after every edit, you had such an experiment, then maybe programming in a neutered language would be worth it, but I'd say that for the majority of developers, this is not the case, so being able to run unoptimized builds/interpretation...
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- Ray Cromwell
No, it is not for everyone. It's very much for large scale datasets that are encountered somewhat frequently on the WWW.
- Piaw Na
""Meb's fellow competitors voiced their doubts about him immediately after the event," NYRR president Mary Wittenberg said. "In addition to his remarkable speed, unusual race-day height, and distinctive 'clip-clop' gait, Keflezighi's frequent nickering caused the other runners to speculate that he may have been using a horse in some fashion." Added Wittenberg, "Also, just before the start, he lifted up his tail and loudly deposited a 9-inch-high pile of steaming fecal matter on the pavement, an unusual occurrence even in the world of long-distance running.""
- Ana
from Bookmarklet
Awesome. But, er, I am reminded of that article I saw on FF just a while ago about how humans are particularly well-suited to long-distance running... </nerd>
- Andrew C
Yes, horses won't win a marathon. They are great sprinters, but can't run for 26 miles.
- Gabe
Er, 9-inch-high pile of fecal matter? Why did they measure the height? :)
- Space Cowboy
"Come back every day until November 15th and check out a Bundt cake. I'm not crazy enough to bake and post on the same day so I've been working on this for a week and the library is like a Bundt den. I just hope I can finish...you'll give me lots of encouragement, right?! I hope I can inspire you to bake a Bundt for your friends, family and even frienemies. Because the Bundt totally rocks. The Nordic Ware Bundt pan is American made and has limitless possibilities. I like Big Bundts and I cannot tell a lie. I'm going to get myself this or that t-shirt when I'm done! Please join me for the next 30 days to celebrate the Bundt! - mary the food (and Bundt!) librarian"
- edythe
from Bookmarklet
When I was 15, I went through a bundt cake phase. I would spend my wages on stuff to make more cakes. A smarter me would have sold the cakes instead of *eating* them.
- Admiral Anika
I like big... bundts and I cannot lie. You other bakers can't deny!
- Jason Huebel
We have a bundt cake pan, but have noticed that many grocery stores don't sell the special bundt cake mixes that used to be popular.
- Mark "DerBingle" J
Oooh. I have a stone mini-bundt pan that makes 6. Now I want minicakes...mmm.
- Archangel ωαřмaiden
I'd love to make the cakes, but I'm just too lazy and up up getting one from Costco.
- Kittyburgers
There is a hilerious scene in My Big Fat Greek Wedding centered around the bundt cake. Any one remember it?
- Roberto Bonini
"Soupy Sales passed away last week(October 22, 2009) and I'm a bit late with my condolences. My sister & I watched hiom faithfully as kids. We loved his slightly "off," cool beatnik kind of humor; he was not the usual children's show host who thought that little kids were cute, dumb or innocent. He spoke to our inner off-kilter selves. We even named our dog after Pookie the lion puppet. I also did a mean White Fang impersonation. We'll miss him. Thanks for everything, Soupy. (The Soupy Sales Show album from my collection.) www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP1_F9zEF7o en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soupy_Sales"
- edythe
from Bookmarklet
Thanks for reminding me of Soupy. RIP.
- Rick Cogley
It still stinks at memory/intuitive usage though. Here is what I mean as an example. A relatively new user goes to upload a picture. They figure it out, and then sign off. Two days later they want to upload another picture. They can't remember exactly how they did it, and are stuck trying to figure out the process all over again like they had never done it before. It's too busy. Two...
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- Robert Campbell
Roberto: in some ways it's better but I'm still getting used to it. I miss the real time comments, though that pop up here.
- Robert Scoble
While I like it, it's not intuitive. Example: friend asked me what the difference is between the "News" feed and "Live" feed. I explained it to her, and she asked how it was better then "highlights". I preferred "highlights" for displaying highly engaged items, myself, but I see the value to the two new systems. Time will tell. Knowing Facebook, they likely won't roll back the feature, and keep powering forward.
- Mike Nayyar
If they fix the comments and likes to push things back up to the top, highlights won't be necessary because the more active items are still seen (regarding the live feed, which is all that matters) :-)
- Jesse Stay
it is better, but hope it doesn't usher in the untimely death of friendfeed
- Stuart
Stuart: no, that won't happen until next year but you can see the trend. Twitter and Facebook are getting new features (and Facebook has 200 people working on its engineering team). FriendFeed has almost no one working on it anymore. So, next year you'll see Facebook and Twitter both pass FriendFeed's feature set. Until then we're happy here!
- Robert Scoble
Only thing I do on Facebook is play Farkle. Gotta be really bored for that too.
- MicahBear78
When you log in, you get the same News Feed as before. When you click Live Feed you see EVERYTHING in your feed - and comments and likes seem to push things to the top. But my latest update failed to show in the News Feed: it only appeared in the Live Feed.
- Michael Slattery
I like the new facebook features, very freindfeed´ish but i also miss the highlights section. I would like to have both, but maybe that´s only me
- Flynn (Michael A. Volz)
I wonder how the system used to choose what to show you in the highlights section. And is it using some algorithm to SELECT what it shows in Live Feed? (Instead of EVERYTHING as I thought above.)
- Michael Slattery
Michael, I think Live feed shows you everything, except those you've hidden. That's the difference from when they had the live feed before. Before you couldn't choose to hide people in your live feed. Also, be sure to use the filters on the left - make some friend lists and filter your live feed by friend list.
- Jesse Stay
So when are they going to allow asymmetrical friending and FoaF?THAT'S what's going to change Facebook fundamentally.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
from iPhone
FB live is really awesome - but buggy!!
- Susan Beebe
I like the direction the new features are heading, but it still needs better hide and filter customization.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
Agreed. The new Facebook live feed is great and a huge step forward.
- Alex Knight
Oh, I agree so much with this post. So many people are not loving it but it really rocks. Fast and vast amounts of information, quickly being able to see what friends, family, contact, networks are up to. While updating live! I love it.
- Travis Tasset
This is circulating on FB: "If you dont like the new FB here is how you can change it back to the old. Look to the top left menu and click on MORE. Then drag STATUS UPDATES to the top. After dragging to top, click on it. That becomes your default and it is like before."
- Michael Slattery
Except it's not the same: "Status" only gives you updates, without links, photos or notes.
- Michael Slattery
@dcfemella Happy Birthday, Gorgeous!
- Alex Schleber
oh just read the post carefully, when i saw a happy birthday comment, earlier i passed it, sorry....and yeah hey Shevonne Happy Birthday!, May God bless you :)
- ffcode
Now you're just getting lazy with your scripts!
- Mike Nayyar
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- LogEx
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- LogEx
So it's since Tuesday huh? The ultimate thread. How will the thread die then? We must have a limit for that, let's say 24h without one comment.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
As a side note, I do have to applaud the endurance and pettiness of those of us on FriendFeed. No one on Facebook gave this status update a second look!
- Mike Nayyar
We pride ourselves in our pettiness and obsessiveness. Um, wait.
- LogEx
Remember. It's not whole Scoble likes. It's who likes Scoble.
- Akiva Moskovitz
According to FriendFeed, that's everyone. And some Twitter marketers and SEO experts.
- Mike Nayyar
Mike will get in the last word. Eventually. Everyone else is an idiot for playing his little game. Me included. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm not actually playing. Or, if I am, I'm playing to lose.
- Akiva Moskovitz
HAHA! You see that? Robert Scoble acknowledges I will eventually win! HAHA! FINALLY! For once in my life, I win! :) :) :) :) Unless Logical shows up...
- Mike Nayyar
Only mostly dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.
- LogEx
We're testing the limit on the number of comments.
- DGentry
Nah, the FFundercats live chat pushed that one way over the top. We are, however, testing the limits oh how sick people are getting of setting my face.
- Mike Nayyar
This thread has a lot of comments, that must mean Mike is an expert of some kind...or maybe an A-Lister. Must stalk^H^H^H^H^Hinvestigate him...
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Wow losts of comments...shame this is the last comment though.
- Nicholas James
Olympus too? Good thing Logical doesn't know any Japanese mythological figures.
- Mike Nayyar
All right, if you're going to play that way, Raijin AND Ajisukitakahikone are BOTH mad at you. And Raijin was especially unhappy because you interrupted his NOMmage of children's bellybuttons.
- LogEx
Dude, my best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Raijin put down the platter.
- LogEx