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Threading will be great - and still be able to continue other convos within the specific message.
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agree with threading... this is the bomb!
- Jim Storer
Exactly - we can finish a thread while other explore new territory. Nothing to miss! :)
- Rick Mahn
this sounds like a great platform, I'm in
- Keith Burtis
Trouble is you have to scroll up and down the page to follow the separate threaded convos instead of just follow the posts at the top as they come in
- Sue
@Sue: I'm noticing that as well. We'll have to consider that as we organize our chats here.
- Bryan Person
Agreed, this is the place for chats in the future.
- Rick Mahn
To date, our CmtyChat sessions have all been held in Twitter. Look for that to change as we experiment with different venues, including FriendFeed. More to come.
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Did Twitter Just Kill #followfriday? | Stay N' Alive - http://staynalive.com/article...
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"In a very vague statement today that I guess Twitter doesn’t expect us to understand, Twitter removed, without warning or feedback from users it would seem, any and all Tweets in your stream that include @replies to people you are not following."
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
from Bookmarklet
Twitter may have just killed the relevancy of twitter. This is a stupid move
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Just one more in a series of them, Rob.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
from IM
++Rob
- Amber, Random Time Lord
long live identi'ca!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
This will make it difficult to find new people to follow. There will be no hint of their existence. I guess we're all supposed to follow Oprah, Ashton, and Shaq.
- DGentry
I just can't get over how stupid this is...the relevance for twitter is the noisiness and the publicness of the thing...without that, twitter is nothing
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Think about it... Doesn't this also mean the possible death of retweets? After all, if Twitter hides a link tweet because the retweeter mentioned the original poster...
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I'm thinking that it only hides replies that begin with @. I'm seeing retweets just fine. If so, then #followfriday should work just the same.
- Michael McKean
of course the RT is what's killing followfriday in the first place. No, I think Jesse is probably correct
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Even if that's the case, it's still a bad decision to make this change. Give us an option, that's okay, but just hiding them straight-up is bullshit. I've actually found decent people I never would have known about, because someone I knew replied to them. Now that ability is gone because Biz and Ev decided without even considering the effects on users.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
me too, Chris. I monitor the conversations of people I admire or am interested in and I'll take a peek if they are conversing with someone I don't know.
- Laura Norvig
Apparently Ev and Biz have decided that we should all only follow people we already know and never find anyone new on Twitter to follow.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
no, they think we should do that and follow famous people too. like oprah.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Jandy: Ah, that same stupid decision that Zuckerberg made some time ago?
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I've never understood why some updates show up in my timeline and some don't. I've had direct replies never show up on my page. when I follow someone, I want to see all their updates.
- Richard Lawler
Chris, I agree. Taking away the option is stupid. I guess they want us to use Twitter as THEY see fit.
- Michael McKean
I suggested the other day, it's a shame when people's dreams stand in the way of others truly realizing and utilizing the full potential of the dreamer's creations.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
And of course we are all just too stupid to decide four ourselves whether we want to see naked @'s or not.
- Kevin D. White
Biz and Ev need to learn that when you release a social tool, it's not yours any more. It belongs to your users.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Not feeling this at all. What's the point?
- Derrick
This increases the importance of tools like FF
- Kevin D. White
two notes questions - 1. why wouldn't you want to see *ANY* mention of your user name in the "mentions" tab? 2. could this be something coming from the celebs? no idea just throwing it out there.
- Allen Stern
Is this just a lame excuse to lighten the load on their servers?
- Michael McKean
Michael: This wouldn't lighten the load much if at all. They now have to filter out these messages for _everyone_, not just those who had the appropriate option on. Slightly simpler code, more server load.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
That makes no sense whatsoever. I have met some great tweeps as a result of a follow up to a hashtag or @comment I posted. I agree with Michael- why wouldn't you want to see/monitor your name mentions. Maybe Chris is correct.
- Karma Martell
I just can't figure out the logic behind this. Perhaps because there isn't any.
- Michael McKean
Karma, Allen: You'll still see mentions of yourself. You won't see tweets which only reference users you don't follow.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Agreed, Twitter suddenly makes a really bad move. Cuts out lots of relevant conversation.
- Mike Reynolds
If @A follows @B but not @C, @A won't see posts from @B replying to @C unless @A is mentioned in them somewhere. That kinda thing.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
This seems fine at first, but when you count the number of times where you've made a good connection with @C when you're @A, it becomes insanely stupid.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I think what they're trying to say is, "We think you're too stupid to figure out this feature, therefore we are removing it completely."
- Michael McKean
Chris, thks for clarifying, but still a shame. Seeing the threads is part of the allure.
- Karma Martell
Without being able to see the networking others are doing... and adding to that a ranking/googlish/logarithm type search... I might as well try finding my weak ties on Google ;-)
- Holly Rae
It is a real shame. Because depending on how Twitter does the filtering, this could kill off #followfriday.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
exactly- insanely stupid
- Karma Martell
really it is killing crowdsourcing
- Karma Martell
Of course, I really want to trust the...folks who created... Twitter. Are we missing something?
- Holly Rae
Holly: After all their screw-ups and downtime, and FSM knows what else, you want to trust them? They lost my trust long, long ago.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Karma: Exactly Holly: the folky who created twitter are the ones making the bad decisions because they don't use their creation
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Yes, Twitter just killed #followfriday and any time a person uses @USERNAME in a way other than meaning a REPLY to that person.
- Mike Reynolds
I think this excerpt from Download Squad article http://u.nu/97e5 nails it: "Perhaps the recent popularity of Twitter as a way to contact celebrities -- we're post-Oprah here, people -- made users a little sick of seeing the people they followed replying to celebrities they didn't follow or care about. There's a fairly simple solution to that, though: change the @reply settings...
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- Sharon McPherson
Mike, make them stop. Thank you.
- Derrick
I think it also mean that "If I said some thing like I was talking to @Jesse today" and you don't follow @ Jesse, you won't know that I did that.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob: Exactly right.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Chris and Rob, thank you... well said
- Holly Rae
This is stupid, this is preventing me from seeing tweets that I might want to see. Stupid. FriendFeed and identi.ca FTW!!!!!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
What's weird is that I'm still seeing @ replies sent to people I'm not following - but - only if the tweet is sent from a Twitter app.
- Sharon McPherson
So in order to see all of the updates of folks you follow, sounds like you have to use search, RSS, or some other filtering tool
- Holly Rae
It's possible that the filter change itself hasn't gone live yet; it's simple to pull a checkbox out of an HTML form, but a bit more complicated to change the underlying code.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Sharon, heh. If it only filters out web replies, maybe it's not such a big issue? I don't know anyone who doesn't use a client. (I'm lying - I still think it's a big issue.)
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
AJ Kohn relayed a thought in a separate thread that Twitter is essentially killing the protocol for RETWEETS.
- Mike Reynolds
I just asked one of the client developers what this was going to mean for their application. I'm waiting to hear back on this
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
the API clients may be able to work around the issue in other ways too. the web users are screwed tho (but they need to get off the lousy web site anyhow)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I notice I can't see @replies to those I'm not following but I still see mentions ... wonder if this is the filter, things seem a bit quieter at /home
- Holly Rae
The only method I could see working is pull individual users' RSS feeds, and no doubt there'd be some limit on that. This could end in violence between Twitter and client developers.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Wow. That's heavy.
- Holly Rae
Even then, if Twitter stops putting tweets starting with @ in the feeds, then we're pretty much screwed to see them. Total fail.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
depends on what the API is actually pulling...I'm not an expert on that, but yes, RSS feeds would would fine
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Twitter updated the post, so it's just tweets starting with a @reply (mentions elsewhere are okay). Still, it's a bad call. There's a lot to be found by following someone's replies.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
It sill kills the inadvertent tweet " @soandso said to me yesterday that Twitter, Inc. was elitist" when you're not following @soandso
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Chris Charabaruk: I agree! As I said in another thread, Twitter is about to get very boring.
- Sharon McPherson
I generally try to phrase those differently so it's not a @reply kind of tweet, but yeah, a lot of people don't bother doing that.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Sharon: Charabaruk. Only one C.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
So a one character difference seperates relevant from irrelevant. Thanks for the help. Twit.
- Kevin D. White
What a horrible ridiculous #FAIL on Twitter's part. I hope they see the error of their ways within the next 48 hours or they're going to be missing a lot of users really soon.
- Jillian York
Chris Charabaruk: My apologies, edited.
- Sharon McPherson
Thank you.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Jillian: It's rare for Twitter to back down from a stupid decision. It's happened before, I think, but I doubt they will over this.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
what is the way to tell them? and, what is the hashtag to use to discuss this so it trends to the top and gets their attention?
- Bora Zivkovic
There's no good way to tell them, except perhaps in person. I don't think they watch their own replies, or read email.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Bora: The hashtag is #fixreplies
- Sharon McPherson
If a ton of people started tweet-boming @twitter @ev and @biz they would hear it
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
OK, I see people are using #fixreplies
- Bora Zivkovic
They don't watch their own @replies? Well, no wonder they have no idea how people are using their service!
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Jandy: I'm not certain that they don't read 'em, but if they don't, that certainly explains A LOT.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Excerpt from ReadWrite Web article: "This isn't a small change at all, it's big and it's bad. The new setting eliminates serendipitous social discovery." http://u.nu/89e5
- Sharon McPherson
yeah!
- @baratunde
Um, I think #twitterfail is already hitting pretty hard enough. It'll catch bigger media attention than #fixreplies.
- Jillian York
@jillian, you can't stop a hashtag. train has left!
- @baratunde
Doesn't hurt to use both, if you can squeeze 'em in.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Chris Charabaruk: I led the team that got LinkedIn to back down on blocking Syrian users. I have faith.
- Jillian York
@baratunde #twitterfail already took off ;)
- Jillian York
I just sent a handfullt of tweets "#fixreplies @twitter @ev @biz blah blah blah"
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Jandy: I've made that point to @ev and @biz on several occasions, and I made it again tonight. How can you make decisions like this whan NO ONE at twitter uses Twitter?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@jillian, according to http://hashtags.org/ #fixreplies is on the top list. no sign of #twitterfail. i'm using both to be safe
- @baratunde
OMG I got great number of retweets on my barrage! wo0t!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
puls a ton of retweets of Jesse's original blog post about killing Followfriday lol!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I've been noticing that twitter search results stopped updating like 40 minutes ago or so...anyone else seeing that? I've tried #twitterfail, #fixreplies, moodle and a random lot of other terms.
- Holly Rae
@baratunde shit, now that's just a testament to how fast twitter works. i'm sticking with both too though. and summize is mad backed up as always.
- Jillian York
holly have you tried twitter searches via an API client?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I just tried Twemes and Twazzup, same situation. BTW Twemes is looking spammy tonight.
- Holly Rae
Tweetdeck returns same results. Frozen in time.
- Holly Rae
TweetDeck is actually working fine for me, it seems. I can use it as I used to.
- Jillian York
It's only the search that's weird... it works, it's just that the last results are an hour old.
- Holly Rae
Hilariously, #followfriday is a popular tag right now based on the fact that people are retweeting this and other similar posts!
- Jillian York
One of the API app developers that I'm in contact with suggested that his app will not be affected by such a change...this leads to me think that the way that API calls get the data, it's up to the app developer how to interpret it. This is something that will primarily affect twitter.com web users. (and who would want to do that anyhow?)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Sorry to bother you with my tangent on the search. All seems to be working now...
- Holly Rae
Has it come out yet why Twitter did this? I mean, are they going to replace it with something new and vibrant like they did with the other stuff they took away? LOL.
- Marie Carnes
Heres one: RT @ev Reading people's thoughts on the replies issue. We're considering alternatives. Thanks for your feedback. 14 minutes ago from web
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
It would appear that tweetbombing @ev and @ biz DOES have an effect ;-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob, NICE! We did trend pretty quickly with #fixreplies.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
I definitely think a good amount of people sent that directly to ev and biz, so they had to notice. hehehe. I love it when a plan comes together
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@Marie. awesome
- @baratunde
baratunde, glad you liked it :)
- Marie Carnes
I *can* see replies from people I dont know in Tweetdeck, checking for Seesmic.
- Jacque
I still don't know what follow friday is. I could use a search engine to find out, but that would be cheating.
- Chuck Baggett
lol! Snark alert! haha
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Ev and Biz- what are you guys smoking? #fixreplies
- Siddharth Deb
From my understanding (and correct me if i'm wrong) Twitter basically is "privatizing" the whole experience..?
- Aline Ohannessian
That would seem counter to the direction of the rest of the web, and the entirety of twitter, so no, I don't think that's correct Aline. I think, given @biz's bs this morning about the engineering team reminding him this is a technical necessity, that twitter is grasping at straws trying to cut interprocess messaging traffic down in order to stay afloat. While I'm not an expert in the...
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I hope so. #followfriday with it's laundry lists of users in 140 characters is SPAM. It's of no value to me at all. Tell me one or two people you recommend and why. I never click on lists of people and summarily unfollow all the people I followed who insisted on this means of promoting others. Think about it. We don't refer or recommend anything in multiples--movies, restaurants etc. Twitter should be no different.
- Gregg Scott
Gregg: you're missing the fundamental purpose of followfriday as it exists today: Get to the Top of the TopFollowFriday list. It's no longer about recommending your followers, but getting enough of them to reciprocate so that you can make it to the top 100 users on the topfollowfriday.com (and similar) lists. Once you make it onto that list, the odds of getting retweeted go up...
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Thank you for setting me straight!
- Gregg Scott
Agree on FollowFriday - I hate it. No context to the recommendations (unlike seeing all @replies)
- Jamie
I do participate occasionally in recommending people on FollowFriday, but I do it as Gregg suggests is the proper way. I put at most 3 people in a tweet, but only because they are all related to the reason I gave for recommending them. But, I only send out a handful of recommendations. And sometimes I recommend application providers, or even bots. There's a few bots I really like. Oh, and I try to remember to recommend @followmenot he hates being followed. heh.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Proof That Facebook is Censoring You - http://ariwriter.com/2009...
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wow...ridiculous indeed, but somehow not surprising...
- Elena Isayenko
So, I'm not crazy. I noticed that 3 of my recent comments had disappeared and figured the people I commented to deleted the comments. Yes, each comment had the word 'Twitter' in there and when I mentioned it in IM to those people they all said I was insane.
- Admiral Anika
Monsters!
- Christopher Harley
It doesn't make sense, but I'm going to give it a try.
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
I made five rapid-fire status updates in Facebook, only three of which have made it to FriendFeed as I type this. 1 of those 3 did mention Twitter. My guess is that Facebook just gets overwhelmed by frequent status updates, regardless of content, and loses the middle updates. More testing is needed.
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
Was it the same text each time? Twitter, for example, will filter out duplicates.
- Todd Hoff
I tried it, but spaced it out over a few minutes instead of doing rapid-fire updates.My status updates with 'Twitter' weren't screened out or deleted, so maybe it's the frequent updates that's confounding FB not 'Twitter'?
- MiaD
Is Twitter Killing Blogs and Blogging? - http://www.markevanstech.com/2009...
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"Twitter +is+ blogging."
- Robert Scoble
in a nutshell, yes, its taking attention to satisfaction away from blogging, its an easier, low cost to entry way to your mind out on the web
- Dan Rockwell
from twhirl
Blogging is, and always has been, just cheap and easy content creation and management which is pretty different to Twitter. Twitter basically replaces the role of blogs for some of the things that people used to use blogs for when they first appeared - dashing off quick links, status updates, and so on. And disagreeing with Robert, i think it's worth thinking of the two things as separate - they'll play different roles in communications in the future.
- Ian Betteridge
Twitter is microblogging, Twitter enhances blogging and Twitter can be used separately from a blogging platform for many specific tasks, including blogging. Sure, they are separate, but they work together and reinforce each other.
- Chris Loft
I don't think this is a competition, it's quite hard to resume a blog post in a couple of twitter messages and, at the same time, be relevant ... especially when people following you are already following tens, hundreds, <number here> of people!
- Lucian Nicolescu
No, but Friendfeed is.
- Rutger Blom
Agree with Rutger. Friendfeed is more of a blog killer...
- Håkan Dahlström
No, not really: Can I write a 500 word post on FriendFeed? FF is a blog *comment* killer, but that's only part of the story with blogging.
- Ian Betteridge
from twhirl
Ian, it all depends what you want to achieve. If you want to create a discussion or debate I think you can bring it on Friendfeed directly instead of a blog with disqus. The author of the FF-post can if necessary post additional comments to further develop a statement. This is something you see Scoble doing more and more these days.
- Rutger Blom
Rutger, good point. As I mentioned, blogging is really "just" cheap, easy content creation/management. The discussion element is, to my mind secondary - not in the sense of being unimportant, but not really at the core of what defines it. And, of course, what you're describing is basically a freeform discussion forum :)
- Ian Betteridge
from twhirl
What Rutger said.
- Steven Perez
Ian, that's true. I agree with you that as things are now Friendfeed is a bigger threat to Disqus/Intense Debate than to blogging platforms, but I can see how that can change just by adding one or two more features to Friendfeed.
- Rutger Blom
Twitter is nothing more than IRC, sure a lot of people think it's microblogging but that's only because they use it five minutes a day. Blogging is more interesting than ever now. Friendfeed and the way it's used show how interesting blogging is at this moment. Show me a person that uses twitter as passionately and I may believe twitter is killing blogs.
- Richard A.
Yes: FriendFeed could evolve into a really interesting blogging platform, if that's the direction they want to take - or, of course, offer better integration to existing platforms.
- Ian Betteridge
from twhirl
No, it's helping. Link sharing is the de facto way to be a good community member. The 140 character field is a perfect teaser, and the link is perfect to extend the conversation. FriendFeed is a wonderful enhancement to this process as well.
- timedalkat
from twhirl
Why are we still having this discussion? Microblogging is here to stay. Twitter and Friendfeed *can* make you smarter bloggers. But so can any time you spend away from your own blog and focus on *others* and their work. Seriously.
- Barbara K. Baker
It is killing link blogs and "superficial" blog uses, so overall probably helping in terms of substance and quality.
- Randy Holloway
from twhirl
@randy, so it's keeping those that shouldn't blog too busy to post ;-)
- Richard A.
Both Twitter and FriendFeed are sources for information. If you know how to use them, it can enhance your blog. So I don't think Twitter nor FriendFeed are blog killers. I'd say it's the opposite.
- Umit Namli
I don't think so. Two very different media encouraging different types of interface. I think they are complimentary rather than antagonistic.
- Martha
For me FF did (Twitter not so much) -- I used blogging as a catharsis and found FF fufilled that need so I stopped blogging - http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Brian Sullivan
twitter enhances blogging it creates conversations , it stimulates ideas , people share knowledge
- johnpiercy
Umit: it's always worth remembering that media doesn't just serve as source of information, but also engagement through entertainment. People like commenting, because it entertains.
- Ian Betteridge
from twhirl
True Ian.Guess it all depends on how you use Twitter and FriendFeed. But if you'd ask me "Is Twitter killing blogs and blogging", my answer would be "No".
- Umit Namli
Robert - Twitter is a Micro Blog and it gets people talking. This is good for society. I don't believe Twitter hurts blogging - it just enhances it.
- Rob Cairns
Doesn't this depend on how people are using this? I liken this to CNN Headline News vs. The Newshour with Jim Leher...if you want the quick hit of info. to share and/or discover, Twitter is a great platform; alternatively, if you want to dive into a deeper conversation, research, experience, blogs play that role.
- Christian
Robert, Madagascar is going through troubles now. So many people are awaiting for news but events are feeding too fast: Malagasy people is discovering Twitter and FriendFeed's power as writing blog articles take long time and you need to find many infos in ONE page. You can visit http://twitter.com/Madagas... and http://friendfeed.com/rooms...
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
I usually don't have time to maintain my old blog, but I think twitter allows me to share to the community anyway. Combining twitter with sites that allow for comments and discussions give me more value than posting a blog that hardly anyone reads...
- Frode Stenstrøm
I am cowed into speechlessness.
- Moses Kpetigo
I post my tweets on my blog so I see it as an adjunct.
- Phil Boiarski
so twitter as blogging is therefore committing suicide ~ ie this person's next blog post. Ie. someone missed the mark by a long shot.
- sofarsoShawn
I think that it is. It has killed my blogs. Twitter is a lot more interactive and fun.
- Adam Jackson
Twitter is interactive live blogging but I won't say it's killing blogging. Twitter is to blogging what a video clip is to a feature film.
- Donald Townsend
from twhirl
How the Bogus War between Google and Twitter/Friendfeed begins http://friendfeed.com/e...
- ewing2001akaNicomedy2010
Killing blogging, no way. I personally think its taking blogging to an all new level. Not only can you promote blogs on twitter, the readers can now interact with you in a entirely new way. Twitter fills the cracks that the blog leaves behind.
- Sloan Bowman
I've dabbled with "full-blown" blogging but most days don't have the time to write "essays". Or anything to say that's worth that number of words. I like Twitter for its immediacy and the way it makes you express the thought succinctly. Equally I like FF for being somewhere between the two. "Medium" blogging rather than full blown or micro. It's a mood thing yanno.
- CdL Creative
Twitter is blogging -- just 140 chars per chunk.
- David Feng
If we agree that the predominant consumption of blogs is via RSS (as opposed to visiting the site) - then blogs are indeed being superceded (by all the tools that allow you to share media - whether Twitter, Digg, Youtube or Seesmic). They all end up being posts in an RSS feed mashed and consumed in increasingly sophisticated ways.
- Jim
the one evolution that social networking services like FriendFeed and Twitter have over blogs is that we really can't see who's interested in our stuff. we can track RSS views, but we've no idea who they are.
- Jason Salas
from IM
Jason very true.. no easy way to monetize and measure. Athough I think Friendfeed has the right idea with its stats feature and this may be a the next step for Google Analytics/Feedburner. Perhaps this is why the growth and popularity of social network is proportional to the richness and openness of the their APIs.
- Jim
Jim - the closer we get the traditional media demographic data, coupled with the new metrics, the real value of social apps will really shine through
- Jason Salas
The days of stand-alone blogs as a primary revenue source are over
- Bob Sonin
Aug 22, 2008: Social Media Breakfast - Twin Cities 6 at Best Buy HQ - http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event...
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Thanks for the publicity Robert, were working with Rick Mahn to make this a big one on the Best Buy HQ!
- Ben Hedrington
Man, so close, I'm visiting my inlaws in MN, but am staying an hour north of Alexandria until Sunday when we head back to S. St. P. Have fun!
- Heather Solos
ok - I'm horribly new at this - and trying to learn by doing. Can't register without a "Yahoo" account? Come on. Something taint right with that, right? HELP!
- Jane Rodmyre Payfer
Hi Jane! I'm the organizer for this event - most of our local folks had Yahoo accounts so it seemed "right". If you're planning to attend - I can add you to the RSVP list myself DM me on Twitter (@rickmahn or @SMBMSP) or email me at rick@rickmahn.com or smbmsp@gmail.com. Sorry for the inconvenience!
- Rick Mahn
I find myself checking the LinkedIn page of the new follower more and more to see if I am going to follow them back
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I don't like this. I don't even like LinkedIn....LOL
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Sheen-totally agree on LinkedIn never got it-still don't get it.
- Mark Forman
I don't have aan acount there ... I just look to get an idea of who is following me .. it's not an absolute requirement for me to follow back :) just one of the different personal guidelines I use
- Steven Hodson
I try to make sure I know people that I'm connected with on linkedin since it's "professional"
- Eric Berlin
i don't like linkedin - but i do the same thing you do steven - hypocritical or dichotomy - not sure ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
I just check a person's blog/twitter or whatever and try to get a feel for them. I just added Eric cuz I like what I saw on his blog w/o even scrolling down. That's how I roll...
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I have an account I haven't updated in like 5 years and 3 job title's ago. Only email I ever get from LinkedIn is when existing/former colleagues move on. Kinda creeps me out.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
LinkedIn has actually helped me relocate college alumni and classmates. I wish they would do a little more with UI and maybe include graphics.
- James
thats great and where's you linkin profile on FF eh ?
- Peter Dawson
have you tried out the Greasemonkey script that displays Twitter bio info on peoples' FF user pages? it's awesome, Corvida wrote about it on RWW this weekend
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Steven-you might want to add Hao Chen's script to show you better profile http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Mark Forman
i'm with you steven. blogs and linkedin. but also if they post interesting things or comments if i have time to check it.
- MG Siegler
Uh, Steve, where's *your* LinkedIn link..? ;-)
- Sprague D
@Sprague as I said in a reply in the "folded" section of replies I don't have a LinkedIn profile because I never figured anyone would be interested in a cranky old fart enough to warrant signing up :)
- Steven Hodson
@Mark I don't use Firefox :)
- Steven Hodson
LinkedIn gives some bonafides. I do the same for people I am curious about, whether on FF or not.
- John Samuelson
I can't resist the temptation to look at people's LinkedIn profile, but I usually save LinkedIn for people I've actually worked with/for, per the site's instructions. :) (not trying to be snarky, i just use the different web services for different reasons, some for professional reasons, some for self-expression, some for old friends and family, etc)
- sergiooo
Steven, of course they would. I use LinkedIn way more than Facebook or MySpace.
- Cyndy
I usually checkout peoples LinkedIn pages, I find it gives me good impression of that person and if I want to follow them.
- Arthur Guy
07/07/2008 - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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This is the answer to those crazy PETA people!
- Robert Couture
People Enraging Tofu Advocates!
- David Silvernail
I've also seen "PETA: People for the Evisceration of Tiresome Activists." (Never on a bumper sticker, though.)
- Pat Rice
I was a huge fan of peta.org until PETA took it away. http://www.mtd.com/tasty/
- Slobokan
I like the sound of that club. Where do I sign up?
- Jeff P. Henderson
Homer: Are you saying you're never going to eat any animal again? What about bacon? Lisa: No. Homer: Ham? Lisa: No. Homer: Pork chops? Lisa: Dad, those all come from the same animal. Homer: Heh heh heh. Ooh, yeah, right, Lisa. A wonderful, magical animal.
- Andrew Smith
I like the one that says "Red Meat, Because the West Wasn't Won on salad"
- Andrew Leyden
I work for Cabela's and that's a very typical saying for our corp. headquaters
- Garrett
spotted a shirt in wisconson- "vegetarians= bad hunters" made me smile ... mmm....bacon
- michael sean wright
on the other side of the car is the mean people suck sticker, correct?
- Pete Delucchi
I soooooooooo want one of those stickers! lol awesome
- John Blanton
Brian: Humans contribute just as much, if you skin and cook them right...
- Ian Betteridge
very telling presentation of chav lifestyle
- Ralf G.
One of my all-time favorite bumper stickers!
- Craig Eddy
OMG that's too funny!
- Susan Beebe
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congratz
- Michael W. May
from twhirl
Congrats! :)
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
w00t!
- Tyler Gillies
bravo
- RAPatton
Mazeltov.
- Karim
Cool!
- Mitchell Tsai
Loved "The Piece of Paper With My Name On It That Took Me 4.5 Years to Get" ...
- Mitchell Tsai
Thanks all! I appreciate it :)
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
nice work!
- Thomas Hawk
Congratulations!
- JA Castillo
(clap)(clap)
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
congrats
- Gordon Swaby
@Abby Ryerson Alumni I assume? Thanks guys!
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Congratulations Shey!
- Rick Mahn
Thanks Rick :)
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
gonna be a cool announcement later today - looking forward to it
@Scobleizer In some enterprises Facebook is aready becoming a guerrilla employee directory. People use gmail to avoid their Exchange quotas.
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Except when the enterprise blocks their access to gmail ;)
- James Beake
James: EVDO. Solves all IT control problems. :-)
- Robert Scoble
not in Australia....to damn expensive
- James Beake
Robert, I use EvDO every day at work to circumvent the IT people and get more work done.
- Andrew Feinberg
Andrew, your not really circumventing them unless you are linking the two networks with something other than what's sitting on the chair.
- James Beake
Employees are more and more giving up fighting IT. They work out how to get around the IT department to get their jobs done. And there is a generation coming through who simply won't work places that restrict their access to tools, resouces and connections. Most IT policies are based on the technological separation of work from life. Work and life are blended though and the barriers are all articifical.
- Jed White
@James - I am when I can get more of my work done using my laptop and EvDO than I can using the tools they provide me with.
- Andrew Feinberg
@Andrew @Jed The things that you are suggesting would be a sackable offence where I work, if they found out. For the record, I agree with what you are saying and have spent may hours with the security guys at my work arguing that they are making decisions that should be made by the business areas.
- James Beake
People are innovative. They will keep finding ways around blocked services and new services to use that aren't blocked yet. Until they reach frustration point. Then they'll simply go somewhere where they don't need to fight against the organisation to do their jobs. And the next time they look for a job, they'll go somewhere that let's them focus their energy on results and use the tools they want.
- Jed White
@James Business just writes a policy that says "If we catch you doing this you're fired." They can also monitor for it. I work in a hospital. They are paranoid about health info being divulged. Moving emails that discuss patient info to a cloud application is really not a good idea. Yet we are still limited to 180MB limit for Outlook, and it's impossible to convince management that this is ridiculously small. Make your internal service as good as the third party service and no one will want to use them
- Kevin Shannon
Anyone remember who commented that the last generation of knowledge workers lived in Outlook, the new generation live in Facebook?
- Jed White
Needless to say, I wiped out Leopard as soon as I got it home and installed Vista :)
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I'm sure you're joking but you did give me an idea for my old Macbook Pro. Skype works best on Windows, alas.
- Leo Laporte
This is the windows weekly guy, people, what makes you think it is humour?
- Michael W. May
from twhirl
Installing Vista I understand, but wiping out Leopard? Surely a Dell XPS M1530, say, would have been a better choice in that case.
- Leo Laporte
Great idea! You inspired me to trade in my iPhone for a hiptop fax machine! Never happier!
- Steve Isaacs
LOL @steve
- Aaron Myers
can anyone recommend a poll widget for WP that can go in the sidebar .. no it won't be a regular thing but I do have one specific question that I want real feedback from my readers on and a poll seems the easiest way
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hmmm .. wisdom of the crowd eh .. okayyy
- Steven Hodson
Steve: 18 hrs later I am proud to say No I cannot. I don't feel so bad about my posts that fell through to the bottom of the pit.
- Russellreno
thanks ChrisP that worked out just great.
- Steven Hodson
Now to the question some won't want to talk about: How can brands benefit from Friendfeed
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Brands should always monitor the conversation, but should they be "Talking" to people here? If so, how are the rules different?
- Jeremiah Owyang
How can't they? Being able to more or less spy on, observe, and participate in multiple "around the watercooler" conversations about news stories regarding a brand is valuable market research. It's one thing to see how journalists are reporting about your brand (vis a vis blogs and news outlets), it's another thing to see how regular people are reacting to those stories.
- Mark Trapp
I think there's a pushback to that, Daniel: it's akin to astroturfing. But it does provide enough research to change your marketing moving forward. Do people think your service is unreliable? Change your marketing to focus on how reliable you actually are. Do people think you're a ripoff? Change your marketing to highlight the value of your service.
- Mark Trapp
Tracking/measurement is obviously beneficial, but brands can also jump in to correct misperceptions, which invariably crop up in conversations you don't moderate
- Daniel Feygin
Are the rules different than business blogging here in Friendfeed? I don't think so.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Brands should search FriendFeed just like they search Twitter and others, so they can respond to users quickly.
- Louis Gray
Jeremiah, I don't think so either, but with one possibly major difference: with blogs, it's all about what the blogger said. With Friendfeed, it's all about what the people who read the blog said and how they react. There is much more emphasis on the comments than the story.
- Mark Trapp
Jeremiah, I'm lacking data. I know everyone raves about Zappos on Twitter, but everyone raves about Zappos in general. Comcast seems to have more ranters than ravers. How do you measure the meaningfulness of Comcast being on Twitter? What are the metrics for measuring that from Comcast's perspective?
- Robert Seidman
Mark, doesn't astroturfing involve disguise? I am not suggesting that at all.
- Daniel Feygin
How do you take all this lovely data from ff or other and convert it into a marketing strategy?
- Paul Metcalfe
If companies look at FF or Twitter or any of the newer communication channels with marketing glasses on, they'll be missing out on a lot of opportunities to really connect with a lot of people. Lets look at Twitter and their recent transparency regarding what's happening over there. Even though they have their own communication platform, they themselves waited far too long to actually communicate. Now, instead of communicating they're in damage control mode and reacting.
- Paul Short
continuing - Yes, they're communicating with users but some would say it's too little too late. If other companies want to expose their brands and get all they can out of these new services, become early adopters and make friends in the way regular people do. That's how to benefit - be one of us, not just use our blabbering to gain intelligence or monitor what we're talking about.
- Paul Short
I understand. But I still ask how you get this compelling info/data into something that will help create a strategy. I'm thinking blue-chip and not start-up.
- Paul Metcalfe
Paul is right, engaging with users is more than PR/marketing activity, so speaking strictly of brands in this context is limiting. Executive, product management, account management, customer service, etc have a lot to gain from both monitoring and entering into these conversations. And PR should stay away from being the gatekeeper.
- Daniel Feygin
if they can have an actual person interacting with friendfeeders, truly participating in the community, then I wouldn't mind. if they are not going to do that, I don't think I'd want to see or hear them.
- edythe
I agree with Julian. Since brands are looking to engage customers on so many digital media channels from YouTube, to Facebook, to blogs, to Twitter it only makes sense to point your customers in the direction of something that doesn't have them running around all over the place and where you can be sure that every last bit of marketing material that you put out there is directed to the...
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- Devlin Dunsmore
Actually in the case of Facebook since they are now allowing imports of thrid party site data into the news feed you could use a similar strategy for that as well. However given the controls of the mini feed right now it would be much easier to manage the content through FriendFeed.
- Devlin Dunsmore
from twhirl
I agree with edythe.
- Ginger Makela Riker
Brand awareness through engagement. Brands who are part of the conversation improve their overall standing, think Microsoft's blogging strategy
- Duncan Riley
brands are screwed here unless they can manage the massese of "noise" Get that right and...
- Paul Metcalfe
@Robert: the plain fact that you're talking about Comcast (a horrible company that I still do business with) means they've succeeded on some level - primarily marketing. Positive branding? Not sure. But do you think of Comcast as being more cutting edge then they were? Probably.
- AJ Kohn
I can definitely see bands who have social profiles across the grid using it to tighten communications with their fans. You asked about brands but I consider bands to be brands themselves these days.
- Adam Gershenbaum
Friendfeed versus Twitter is the weekend bitchmeme - http://www.seesmic.com/video...
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I love both twitter and FriendFeed! Twitter goes down a lot now, which is sad, but maybe they're fixing it!
- Susan Beebe
I love Twitters's raw simplicity yet Friendfeed has better features, especially the agrigation of all my web content. If Friendfeed had a killer iPhone client and I could easily import all my Twitter connections, I would switch.
- David Jacobs
when Twitter is working well, it doesn't take that long for the tweet to show up here. I agree, though, they are different, and they work well together. I don't filter Twitter because I don't like it, I do it because the tweets take over the page.
- Alejandro
Good stuff Loic. I love both services. I think they are very complementary and I think they will both succeed. Regarding the time lag of the tweets on FF raised by Mr. Gillmor - I don't think that's such a bad thing. If there is a tweet worth commenting on we can probably use a few minutes to think about it and prepare a response on FriendFeed.
- Mike Doeff
http://xrl.us/bmazc tweets totally f#(%ed twitter
- Noah David Simon
if there would be a good IM service or mobile client on FF i would switch totaly to FF.
- Mathias H.
@Mathias - check out http://fftogo.com for mobile access to FF. :-) this cool app was recently created by FF master user Benjamin Golub.
- Susan Beebe
@Susan Wow, FFToGo is great. If @Benjamin sees this, please incorporate the smart compaction of long comment threads. Then it's perfect!
- Carter Rabasa
There isn't an ideal way to compact comments right now because you can't get the details for an individual entry through the FF API (for instance I couldn't just say, give me the comments for this entry, I have to "happen" upon it in list of entries) and I can't use Javascript. I have a few ideas though. I'm also accepting feedback here: http://friendfeed.com/rooms...
- Benjamin Golub
Video: Social Media in Plain English - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
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Seems very slanted to business/product making, and selling - it seemingly subverts the "Social". Social media is about life of which, at least for most people, making and selling products and business in general is only a small part. In my mind "Social Media" are online tools to support conversations of all types.
- Brian Sullivan
Brian I think it's a metaphor that can apply to info or media too. These are often vids great for corporate, so the business aspect can really help internal evangelists.
- Jeremiah Owyang
As a government user experience manager, sometimes it's hard to translate these concepts into something our executives can understand, but Lee Lefever's Common Craft segments have somewhat sparked the leap from corporate to government applications. We can do "communication" but we're really trying to get to the level of "community" and this helps.
- Marilyn Clark
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Google’s Jaiku vs. Twitter? - http://scobleizer.com/2008...
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oddly enough, I have just been going back through my jaiku account to see how it is over there. they may not have the users and community that Twitter has, but it sure feels smooother! :) And with Google behind it, I'd say they can scale it :)
- kosso
The thing I like about Jaiku is that while it functions like Twitter, it's much easier to follow conversations. Comments to your posts show as comments, not an @reply 3 pages down, where you may never see it. Another plus is that there is no need for services like Twitterfeed as Jaiku can pull the feeds itself. The things I don't like are the time it takes to pull in certain feeds (sometimes hours) and the fact that there isn't as much activity over there.
- cmiper
Wouldn't this be the right time for Google (given Twitters technical problems) to open up Jaiku and pull/win people over from Twitter?
- Gabriel Nijmeh
Agree with cmiper. I wrote about Jaiku in July of last year (http://www.raoulpop.com/2007...), and have been using it since late spring in 2007. I loved the feed integration, back before FriendFeed even existed, but the polling times for feeds were and still are ridiculously long (sometimes days, not hours) and there's very little activity. You can go to my Jaiku account and see for yourselves: http://raoul.jaiku.com/.
- Raoul Pop
e has a history of buying tools / companies then simply letting them languish and ruining them (jottspot anyone?) - Jaiku is just another exaple of that. Google might be getting too big to be as nimble as they used to be?
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
Google has a history of buying tools / companies then simply letting them languish and ruining them (jottspot anyone?) - Jaiku is just another exaple of that. Google might be getting too big to be as nimble as they used to be?
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
It was mentioned in another FF comment thread but go to http://JaikuInvites.com for jaiku invites. I got mine within an hour of my request
- acedanger
soulhuntre - don't you hate it when twhirl refreshes and you lose part of your comment, press enter and post it and then realize it's f'd up?! anyway - I used to get excited when Google would buy a "useful" service and then get disappointed when it stagnated for a year or so...
- acedanger
Yeah, it is farily frustrating(that twhirl thing) - it shoudl suspend updates while I type. Google is not the universal saviour it's rep has it pegged as frankly - they blow it on a lot of stuff.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
Friend me on jaiku - http://alexdesigns.jaiku.com/
- alexdesigns
I'm on Jaiki too (mikelewis)
- Mike Lewis
Twitter ... I couldnt get used to jaiku for a reason
- Alemsah Ozturk
from Alert Thingy
acedanger and soulhunter, I have brought the refresh issue to Twhirl's attention twice: once through Twitter and once through their support forum. The only response I have received was, "That shouldn't be happening. We'll look into it." Well, thanks, but I know it shouldn't be happening. It seems to me this is a critical bug worthy of its own maintenance release. It also appears that since Seesmic bought Twhirl, bug fixes and updates are much slower to come out.
- Gregory Pittman
from twhirl
Twitter aura inimitable:)
- Igor Poltavskiy
@Soulhuntre Google also has a history of buying companies and turning them into wild successes. Not every acquisition works out as intended. Jottspot was handled poorly but it hardly constitutes a pattern.
- Kevin D. White
I only joined a couple of days ago but didn't like the UI and found Twitter to FF easier to play with. It doesn't make finding your existing friends easy.
- Sally Church
I like Jaiku but people have chosen to use twitter - if I leave twitter I leave my community and join one that they may not want to be involved in. I also agree about the feeds they are slow. I also agree that Google will offer a very stable service. But truth is - twitter is where everyone is at and the service that they have chosen - so more happens there. BUT recent problems associated with twitter may just change the playing field. Everything will hinge on how long it takes them to "fix" things.
- Dave Gray
I have some 20 invites for jaiku, leave your email on my channel. I'v read all these comments from ff mobile, works great. About jaiku, jaiku was doing feed integration from any Rss feed when FF was still a tought or a dream, they have been silent since the Google acquisition, but i have the feeling they where they are going..
- Ben Borges
from fftogo
I have some 20 invites for jaiku, leave your email on my channel. I'v read all these comments from ff mobile, works great. About jaiku, jaiku was doing feed integration from any Rss feed when FF was still a tought or a dream, they have been silent since the Google acquisition, but i have the feeling they where they are going..
- Ben Borges
from fftogo
Actually I trust Google's ability on integrating their acquisition than other company. Jaiku should integrate with Gmail so all email, IM and messaging go under one roof.
- Leon Ho
Personally, I prefer Pownce to either of these services. I really like the ability to share files as well as text.
- Tim Finucane
To twitt is just to scream out in space, when writing on Jaiku people engage you.
- Tomas Seo
Tomas Seo, do you think it's because there are relatively few people on Jaiku?
- Dewald Pretorius
from twhirl
I would have rated Pownce above both services, mainly for its ability to file and photo share, and also to post to groups of contacts, but the service is horribly slow and following threads is next to impossible.
- cmiper
cmiper, that just shows how difficult it is to scale these services
- Dewald Pretorius
from twhirl
invites available at http://jaikuinvites.com/need-an... -- took me 20minutes .. all thanks to @gregeh
- Jez Arnold
Dewald - I agree, but then right in the thick of it, Pownce upped the file upload limits to 100MB (from 10mb) for non-paid members and 250mb (from 100mb) for paid members and also added the ability to show those files to the public, increasing the amount of hits/download/bandwidth on the system. Seems as though they should have worked out the issues before adding to the cause IMHO.
- cmiper
sues, but the noise / bandwidth problem gets insane.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
@Nzben is responsible for this crazy conversation. (he prompted me to start it in email). Thanks!
- Robert Scoble
Robert, come to think of it, is asking "Jaiku vs Twitter" actually a valid question? After having looked at all three services, I think Jaiku leans far closer to FriendFeed in purpose than Twitter.
- Dewald Pretorius
I was gonna say something but this pretty much hits the nail on the head "Robert, come to think of it, is asking "Jaiku vs Twitter" actually a valid question? After having looked at all three services, I think Jaiku leans far closer to FriendFeed in purpose than Twitter."
- william douglas watson
from twhirl
invite-only strategy when you are in competition to twitter = lose...via feedalizr
- bvs
PC World says Twitter, Digg amongTop 100 Best Products in 2008: http://www.pcworld.com/article... FriendFeed, Google Reader don't make the cut.
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don't care. pc world is king of pc world? absolutely no! i only seldom use twitter and digg.
- huixing
pcworld is lamezaur
- Tyler Gillies
PC Who?
- Yuvi
gawd
- Charlie Anzman
they even listed YouTube and Craigslist. They're confusing the word best with common
- Duncan Riley
PC World (Political Correct World?)
- Baard @ Pixum
What's a PC?
- Chris Nixon
Chris, PC is what the "rest of us" use.
- Yuvi
I'm only kidding. I mostly use PCs too.
- Chris Nixon
I think they don't even know about Friendfeed. And as for Google Reader: They RSS feeds have content summaries, so I don't think they've really understood the idea behind feed readers yet.
- Meryn Stol
"I'm only kidding" - Me too! ;)
- Yuvi
I think Duncan's comment is right on
- acedanger
For "best" read "most used"
- Slappy Line
I just realized I don't have PC World in my GReader feeds. What does that mean?
- ha3rvey (free hugs!)
eh, Dvorak probably bitched until they removed twitter from the list
- Brett Kelly
Yeah, OK - but have you ever used Newsgator (also not on the list), it kicks GReader's ass in every conceivable way.
- Christina Warren
I've worked at multiple IT trade pubs...and I would honestly be shocked if the people who wrote the article *use* Twitter or FriendFeed or Google Reader...typically, they have so much technology to follow that's in their beat, and so many stories to write, it's hard to find time to "play" with new and emerging stuff.
- Melissa Chang
I just think that Friendfeed/Google Reader is a power user tool. Not so much mainstream. That's like saying that National Geographic is not a popular channel.
- Mike Lewis
One more nail in the PC World coffin. Wait... did I just say that? Yes, I think I did. They are way too old-media and behind the curve.
- Cyndy
Warmth And Privacy While Using Your Laptop - Geekologie - http://www.geekologie.com/2008...
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Haha, this picture makes me laugh every time I see it. I wanna use it on a plane!
- Roshan Vyas
They just need to make it a bit bigger and you can watch porn in public.
- engtech
hahaha...how creative. ...via twhirl
- Tina K.J
lol :-)) (via sobees)
- PlaTyPuS
om nom nom nom
- Jim Norris
I want to get one of those for the movie theater :)
- Mike Reynolds
awe. some.
- Call me Bronco
it's fun :) ...via AlertThingy
- freeman
haha
- nouhad
it's so stupid...
- Vincent Chu
Good morning tweeters. Looks like a day writing with a little networking sprinkled in.
Rick Mahn liked this
Twhirl Integrates Friendfeed: The Chaos Begins - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
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Andy I hope engtech doesn't lol ...via twhirl
- Corvida
With the latest reverse development, now it's chaos!
- Charlie Anzman
Urgh, 0.7.9 is really buggy. I\'m going back to the current stable version.
- Voyagerfan5761
AlertThingy and Twhirl are both driving me batty. In bed.
- Carla Thompson
Too Many or Too Little? The Art of Following People on Twitter - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
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People Overestimate The Value Of Content; Underestimate The Value Of A Service That Makes It Useful - http://techdirt.com/article...
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7 links in the story. 5 are internal. (+1 to Mat and Tony)
- Louis Gray
ya I realize that .. Techdirt is always overly friendly with extrnal links especially if they've written on the subject before - but the post still has value I think
- Steven Hodson
Twitlinks tracks hot tech news using Twitter - http://news.cnet.com/8301-17...
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nice idea, but the content it's throwing up isn't of any interest to me yet (via Alert Thingy)
- Samuel Bostock
I'm frightened of friend feed - how much information can we create/consume and retain sanity?
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I think that FF is giving me a huge information overload .... and I like it !
- Christopher Yeo
Beware, I'm stalking you ;-)
- Andreas Gohr
you can't which is the point. the faster you engage, the sooner hopefully we get to better tools because everybody will get frightened! ;)
- Nicole Simon
I think FriendFeed is a tool for reducing information overload, if used as such.
- Mike Reynolds
One of the key things of FF is information management. Some good scripts here: http://ffapps.com
- engtech
can you really be afraid of friend feed, but be an active user of twitter?
- Rob Diana
I think we are not aware of the load of information we are spreading and consuming... and it will only become more. ...via AlertThingy
- Jan van Iperen
Before Alert Thingy, there was already a FriendFeed desktop app. It's called... the Web browser. What is the point?
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I pretty much agree with this statement, with respect to the work that was put into Alert Thingy.
- Vince DeGeorge
"The browser" is not a push technology, Louis. The browser requires you to interrupt what you're doing, load friendfeed, READ IT, see if there are any items you like or want to comment on, and THEN post. With AlertThingy you get an update when someone does something, and you can instantly make the decision about whether you want to bother with it right now. (via Alert Thingy)
- Adam Posey
I disagree. The browser is limiting. The point is to expand and improve the experience. Example: Twhirl (via Alert Thingy)
- Bwana ☠
cos its annoying to have web applications hidden away in browser tabs?
- Samuel Bostock
Adam yeah right, as if I would need even more interruption. The browser does not interrupt me but is at my deposition when I request it to reload. Additionally, with the web browser, I have an easier time deciding if I want to follow up on discussions or not, have hiding available (including items with comments) and more. So when you ask this general question, you get this general answer. Every person is different, but for me, Alerthingy is just an annoyance.
- Nicole Simon
When any kind of technology is designed to PUSH information to us, we typically use applications to bring it to us in an easy way. Twhirl, RSS readers, SMS updates, email notifications, etc. The end goal is to get information to us more easily and AlertThingy does that very well. (via Alert Thingy)
- Adam Posey
friendfeed/twitter are applications as in I interact with them. I want to use the browser, to browse! (via Alert Thingy)
- Adnan
Adam, point taken, which is why I did install it, but online use it as a popup notifier, nothing more. Bwana, Alert Thingy actually limits my experience. Because it limits it only to my "friends" tab. I check "everyone" quite often. It's not a "bad" app, but far from necessary.
- Vince DeGeorge
Yes. And there is a limit for evey person of what they want to be pushed to them - be it designed for that or not. You prefer such an app, I prefer the browser. Or let me rephrase that: I do not mind an app as long as it is configurable to what I consider to be a good way of pushing information to me.
- Nicole Simon
Vince, Alert Thingy's shortcomings are irrelevant. They can be fixed. It doesn't take away from the fact that a desktop client can greatly enhance the experience. You shouldn't expect version 1.0 to do everything you want. (via Alert Thingy)
- Bwana ☠
Uh, except it's a client app, and stuff pops into your awareness instead of having to go find it. (via Alert Thingy)
- Stowe Boyd
I'm trying to see what's wrong with having a choice. If the entire FriendFeed world was supposed to be in the browser, why even bother with an API? (via Alert Thingy)
- Bwana ☠
Absolutely nothing wrong with having choice and I don't think anyone thinks that Alert Thingy is a bad thing, but some of us just don't get the "why." I just find the web access sufficient for how I use FF.
- Vince DeGeorge
i'm not interested in taking up more of my screen just for FriendFeed -- i'll use the browser when I want to check in (via Alert Thingy)
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Is this not the same thing as saying "What's the point of RSS feeds since you can just go to the website"? Being able to interact with FriendFeed without visiting the site cuts down on time and creates a more immersive experience. (via Alert Thingy)
- Brandon Titus
I think one of the primary problems here is the baiting way in which Louis' twitter post was written. "Alert thingy isn't for me because:" would have been a much more benign way of phrasing it. (via Alert Thingy)
- Adam Posey
Exactly Adam. If you ask me, the phrasing came across as very Duncan Riley'ish. "Why is this product X getting so much attention, when I can already do this with product Y" I have a feeling Louis is not as closed minded as Duncan can be, but this post doesn't support that claim.
- Bwana ☠
Whether baiting or not, this is getting the answers we were looking for, right?
- Louis Gray
I prefer FriendFeed via the browser, but AlertThingy may appeal to people who like desktop apps. I don't like 'em.
- Mike Reynolds
Louis just asked a question, and you answered it. ;) I agree with Mike, it''s a matter of taste; I also prefer the browser.
- Alejandro
So the end justifies the means? Bad form sir. (via Alert Thingy)
- Bwana ☠
I currently have 14 tabs open and I can only look at one of them at a time. I'm a multi-tasker and I like to have things in front of me instead of switching between tabs all the time. Now if only I could get a sidebar for OS X so all this stuff would be nice and neat in one place (and no I don't mean hidden away in the dashboard).
- EricaJoy
Although AlertThingy is full of shortcoming, but I think it will get better soon. (via Alert Thingy)
- terababy
Louis, you're getting an argument with the occasional post from someone who can fence-sit and appear to be objective. I understand that it's boring to just say what you think in a way that doesn't make people angry enough to comment, but it certainly would have been possible to skip straight to the constructive comments and leave out the harsh-tone.
- Adam Posey
"This is just stupid. Why do we need a FF desktop app if we have the browser?" THAT would have been harsh, IMO.
- Alejandro
I think it's a good first step, but not ready for primetime yet. I'm sticking to the web for now.
- Sarah Perez
Because I don't like keeping open a Friendfeed tab in Firefox. Firefox is slow enough if you're not using the beta and this is a more streamlined way of getting Friendfeed updates. (via Alert Thingy)
- Corvida
So while I won't comment specifically re: Alert Thingy... a push client is necessary. Using "autoRefresher.start(300 * 1000);" in Javascript or hitting F5 in a browser for updates is barbaric :)
- Mark Krynsky
I've decided to keep AlertThingy installed b/c it it gives me an alerty-thingy alert when something new happens.
- Mike Reynolds
Corvida is spot on, Firefox performs better with fewer tabs open, plus alerts a nice to have for flow apps like Twitter and FF (via Alert Thingy)
- Jake Kuramoto
Can I just say that what has me hating Alert Thingy without even having installed it is that annoying "via Alert Thingy" after every comment? Get rid of the advertising spam, and we'll talk.
- Shannon Jiménez
oh come on, shannon. they're not allowed to self promote? every twitter post has a via snitter, via twhirl, via web, via text. what's the diff? (via Alert Thingy)
- Call me Bronco
I don't use twitter, but, yes, I would find that annoying too. Who cares where the comment comes from?
- Shannon Jiménez
look, it's a free app. i think they deserve to get some self promotion in there somewhere. it's not like a huge, glaring print ad. *shrug* - doesn't bother me. (via Alert Thingy)
- Call me Bronco
@Shannon Jimenez I'm with Sarah Velo on this one. It's not spammy in the least if you ask me, because it's not in your face nor is it linking back to the original website. It's promotion and there's nothing wrong with that.
- Corvida
Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one :) After reading "via Alert Thingy" approximately 8000 times today I've developed quite a bit of animosity toward the product. I think they should attract users through merit, not through meaningless comment attachments (not to mention the fact that, in my case at least, reading the phrase has had the opposite of the intended reaction).
- Shannon Jiménez
I like how Twitter handles service attribution, though it adds clutter. One option that might be nice is if '(via Alert Thingy)' were automatically inserted into the comment field as the user composes their comment, so if they choose they could edit it out, or if it was a pref. This is analogous to the iPhone's default 'Sent from my iPhone' email sig. It's there by default, but doesn't force itself as a condition of using the product.
- Kevin Fox
Kevin's idea is good. I still like the idea of a Twitter-style tag. It wouldn't bug me so much if it were <small>ed. Mock-up || Comment text. - Voyagerfan5761 - via Alert Thingy || with the latter three words small and grayed so as to be more unobtrusive.
- Voyagerfan5761
FriendFeed shares, if they're interesting, require a browser to fulfill, no? So I don't see the utility of a desktop app over the browser. That's not even to mention the UI disasters of Alert Thingy itself. Conversely, tweets can be, and often are, self-contained in a formal sense.
- Rick Powell
There's so many things the website does that the API doesn't support yet. Use the website. Use firefox. Grab some scripts to add functionality: http://ffapps.com
- engtech
but twitter does it with the clients in a way your brain knows "stop reading, advertisement here" which is not what it does here (because it suggests normal text which you should pay attention to). For me the fact that you cannot turn it off is an annoyance in any kind of application. @kevin in the regard from sending from a mobile, there is a value in knowing it came from mobile. As for api - you can do more than just a reading client with it ...
- Nicole Simon
having been really enjoying twhirl for twitter I for one welcome alert thingy to the game - not that they are the same service - but having twhirl open on my second screen is sure nicer then having twitter buried in a tab - the same goes for friendfeed. (via Alert Thingy)
- ben rogers
I like Alert Thingy for a number of reasons. Firstly, I tend to open a number of tabs while I browse. I dislike having friendfeed (or twitter for that matter) buried deep within my firefox tabs. Secondly, I think popup notifications of new items is quite useful. Finally, I think the desktop app looks sexy :-) (via Alert Thingy)
- David Adam
I didn't get it either - thought I was the only one. I can do more on the web too - so what is the point of this app other than it looks cool in screen shots and bloggers wrote about it?
- Wayne Schulz
Louis, I guess it's nice to have because it's one less tab to have open in my browser - there are too many open there as it is. Guess it's really just a personal preference thing. You are right, there really isn't anything new here, other than another demonstration of what Adobe AIR can be used for. Still I'm finding it useful to run side-by-side with Twhirl. (via Alert Thingy)
- Rick Mahn
Restart your copies of AlertThingy v1.1 is here! ...via AlertThingy
- Jeremy Baines
All the people who are desktop app vs web browser. Check out http://ffapps.com . There are tons of more features available via Firefox scripts that you won't get in a desktop app.
- engtech
so 1.1 allows you to have an opaque window... anything else? ...via AlertThingy
- Samuel Bostock
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