We came in this morning for an aversion proceedure (turn the baby into position). They were expecting to induce if they could get him aimed the right way. Five minutes before they were supposed to do the procedure he turned the right way by himself. Then 20 minutes later he turned again. Drat. Anyway, now they are in the process of inducing and watching. Won't know for sure what's going on until later tonight. -
- Robert Scoble
Right now we're just resting and waiting for the inducing agents to start their jobs. It's still possible that we might have to have a caesarian section, because little Ryan isn't in the right position. More probably later this evening, for now I get to geek out while Maryam takes a nap.
- Robert Scoble
Sending lots of beams to Maryam (and you too!) I am out of the loop. I had no idea that the family was growing (and tell M, I'm going to be a grammy come March 1)
- Nancy White
Fingers crossed for a natural delivery... unless Maryam would prefer a c-section ;) Good Luck.
- travispuk
What a handsome name you've chosen ;)
- Ryan Whitwam
Robert: I wish you and your wife the safest and best possible birth experience! Here's to a healthy baby boy and Mom!! Keeping you in my thoughts. Leslie
- Leslie Carothers
Good luck to you both; hope all goes smoothly & swiftly.
- Rachel Luxemburg
Nothing but good and positive wishes to Maryam and you and that RSS will come out the second to prettiest baby ever (naturally ours is the prettiest) *wink*
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
David: my other son, Patrick, was named for a saint and Milan was named for one of the best writers ever. So there.
- Robert Scoble
Robert!!!!! What great news; it will be early. Why did they induce if the due date was the 25th, or was I wrong?
- Francine Hardaway
wishing you the best. we have a girl due in a few months :)
- Stalyn☂
Francine: because hospitals like to schedule babies, is my guess (Sequoia is like a hotel). But he was breech and they wanted to get him into position, now that she's here they are doing the induction thing.
- Robert Scoble
Good wishes to all. I've never met you and even I'm nervous.
- Amyloo
Good luck with everything, Robert!!! Very exciting! I hope everything turns out perfect in the end!!
- Lindsay
Best wishes Scobs! This must be a very exiting day!
- Jadito
So the doctor said that Ryan is one of the five most active babies she has seen in her practice which is why they didn't let us go home. Usually babies at this stage stay heads down. Ryan isn't. I think we have a wild one! :-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Come one, come all! See THE AMAZING FRANKEN draw these, our UNITED STATES. TWO BITS is all you need, right this way, folks. No pushing, everyone will get a chance to see THE AMAZING FRANKEN and his wonderful PEN OF GEOPOLITICAL BOUNDARIES as he DRAWS, FREEHAND and FROM MEMORY the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
- Andy Bakun
The "at the Minnesota state fair" makes it look like a sideshow. And it is, since I doubt few other Senators could do this.
- Andy Bakun
It's definitely a gimick. This was something practiced, but still very cool for all that. Folks from the great state of Maine might be disappointed in the shrinkage from Franken's hand though.
- Kevin Fox
Well it's a good representation considering this is what politics has become, second rate comics becoming Senators.
- Spencer
That's pretty damn good! I feel much better about voting for him now! ;o)
- Mark J
Gotta assume he's simply tracing faint lines but I wish i could hear what he's saying.
- Thom Kennon
Most people in the US could not name even most of the 50 States - at least one member of Congress can draw them out! Does not mean much but fun to watch!
- Lester Greenberg
We have a print given to us (and taken) by our friend photographer Bill Hayward of Franken in front of one of these drawings of the US map that he painted. Here's the image: http://www.artcritical.com/badbeha... It's framed and hanging in our bedroom. We didn't think of it as a political statement, just an artistic one, until our conservative real estate agent saw it, and said: "Oh, you're Democrats."
- Ginger Makela Riker
I bet no other elected representative of ANY STATE could draw a sketch of the US that was any where near as good as Franken's. My bet stands for 30 days from today.
- Jason Miller
I think this is something he's practiced for years. Didn't someone say he did this a long time ago on SNL?
- iTad
@Dennis O'Neill must be a real Baltimorean - he wrote "The" Chesapeake Bay. Most bays don't have a "the" but we always say "The" Cheasapeake bay.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
ok, but can he draw Canada? Huh? Thought so!
- Shey
Let's try that again. This time using a whiteboard. :D
- AJ Batac :)
Spencer - I guess politicians have evolved from second rate actors to second rate comics. At least comics generally come up with their own material.
- Robert Felty
Well, if you have fixed the hole by upgrading; you should feel a lot safer now. I guess strong user adoption does bring the wrong kind of attention.
- Anindya Chatterjee
Anindya: we're watching. Looks like they haven't gotten back in since the upgrade and some of the other changes we made. Knock on wood.
- Robert Scoble
I'm very tempted to switch to a SixApart install. As a Perl programmer I'd be much more familiar with the backend.
- Jesse Stay
Robert, btw, I'm sure between all your users you can find a backup. I have a bunch via Google Reader I could get to Rackspace to import for you. I'm sure others have even older entries than I have. Let us know if you want help restoring the old scobleizer.com!
- Jesse Stay
robert - i can tell you this - you need to watch it like a hawk - when i thought i was safe - i wasn't - InsideTransit continues to get hit - and I still believe there is some patches and stuff that RS can do as well - the bigger issue is what's on the server - because that's where they put the shells and then they can do whatever they want.
- Allen Stern
Not cool, hopefully things will work out.
- Kim Landwehr
Jesse: luckily it was July and August, when I wasn't doing much blogging. No biggie. Thanks. Allen: yes, Rackspace Cloud has a security team now and they are actively looking at ways to make Wordpress safer for our customers. It really sucks getting hacked. Let me know if you find any other ways to protect the systems.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Yea getting hacked sucks. My early days with my blog aboutonlinematters.com I got hacked and luckily my ISP had a backup. Since then I have treated my Wordpress blog like any dev site - with a subversion repository and complete backup. But there are days... like today... when I think strongly about a platform like typepad.
- Arthur Coleman
what i have found is locking down the files helps - but you need to ftp into your site and make sure that nothing has been edited or added - in my case, on all my sites, the hackers put files all over that were base64 files - and what they do is include them into WP or they just run them direct - nearly a full shell. i've asked RS to create a way so that i can be notified of any changes to files - they say it's too heavy to run.
- Allen Stern
Robert, I just miss the traffic from your "You are SO Unfollowed!" article. (one of the casualties) ;-)
- Jesse Stay
There's a lot of great info they deleted - I'm a little ticked they would be completely insensitive like that to prove a security flaw. It affected much more than just you.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: yeah, that's probably the one blog that I miss. It's also the one that got me to notice they deleted a couple of months.
- Robert Scoble
No way "You are SO unfollowed" is out? I loved that one! :-( thanks for the cache Robert
- Sofia @ SoMaFusion
If you have no time to take care of yuors blog, maybe it's better if you choose the pro offer from wordpress.com ( I think scobleizer.com can have the minimum requirement to stay there).
- wolly
wolly: it's not just about time, attacks come from all directions so you've gotta have a holistic approach to security. How many of you regularly change passwords and make sure they are really good ones? (Twitter got broken into not because of hacks, but because they didn't practice good password security).
- Robert Scoble
It saddens me: it is morally reprehensible your hosting company convinced you to switch with the seduction of plugins and customization without emphasizing or handling the increased responsibility of upgrades. Your blog was not unique and not a special target, the worms sweep across millions of blogs indiscriminately and hit whatever is vulnerable. If your host is lax in upgrading, the...
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- Matt Mullenweg
that's true :-) I use password very strange and very verylong that I cannot remember and I use a service like clipperz.com to login.
- wolly
wolly, Robert was hosted on WordPress.com for about 4 years -- he was actually the very first VIP. Although there were dozens of security updates to WordPress in that time, his blog never had a problem because it was always up-to-date. He only switched away a few months ago.
- Matt Mullenweg
Ciao Matt :-) I didn't know that, so scoble come back to the light side :)
- wolly
Matt: yup, that's true. I've learned my lesson. Running your own servers are a lot harder than just having them hosted on Wordpress.com.
- Robert Scoble
To be frank, it completely breaks whatever trust I had in Rackspace.
- Matt Mullenweg
But Matt, I've been talking with many blog owners, including at TechCrunch, and they say that Wordpress' updates break their custom plugins. That's why they don't upgrade immediately. So, sounds like Wordpress has a mess on its hands that the hosted version of Wordpress didn't have (I couldn't run a lot of plugins and video embeds and other fun things on the hosted version of Wordpress). So, to blame it on my hoster/employer (Rackspace) exclusively isn't really a good attitude either.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, It happens. We were hacked too. My observations lead me to believe that this summer was the worst in a long time. Its a war and its going to be a war until the attitude towards hackers changes. Let's stop being fascinated in the least bit by how they do it (this goes towards Kevin Mitnick and his supporters- I don't ever want to pay good money to read about your scams on the...
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- Melanie Reed
Matt's got a point that with greater power (self-hosting) comes greater responsibility (more need to keep an eye on security), but I think to say that Scoble's blog was not a special target is a bit disingenuous. High-profile sites are always a higher-value target.
- Rachel Luxemburg
Matt: I think you need to really look at all the damage that's being done to a wide range of sites, many of which are NOT hosted at Rackspace, before throwing more barbs. That's bull. Sorry. But I added a link to this conversation to my blog so people could see your point of view.
- Robert Scoble
If a plugin is preventing you from upgrading (did it?) then let's figure out how to fix that plugin. All I can do in WordPress is build in the notices (your blog was asking you to upgrade for months) and the one-click updates for both core and plugins. I agree it's not your (Robert Scoble's) fault because I don't think you made the conscious decision to take on the increased responsibility.
- Matt Mullenweg
Matt: the reputation around the Net is that upgrades on Wordpress break things. This wasn't a Rackspace recommendation. It's also a problem with all upgrades. I've gotten hosed by upgrades elsewhere. Look at all the people upgrading to Snow Leopard who are having things break.
- Robert Scoble
Matt: TechCrunch hasn't upgraded its blog either and it wasn't hosted on Rackspace (at least not until a couple of days ago).
- Robert Scoble
I'm not saying there isn't lots of misinformation around the net, I'm saying "how can I help your blog, please." If it's a plugin preventing you from upgrading, let me know the plugin and we'll fix it even if we didn't write it. That's the beauty of open source.
- Matt Mullenweg
Robert -- Avoiding upgrades because they're annoying to deal with isn't a viable longterm strategy.
- Rachel Luxemburg
they need to take care of Scoble's blog, well for he is a VIP and the smashing they would have would do a lot of damage to your customer base and otherwise, would they reply to an ordinary guy say like me? i think not,well wordpress/automattic is having their tough moments, hope things get well and they get their repute back
- testbeta
Matt - you blaming Rackspace for security vulnerabilities in YOUR software platform is kinda like blaming Dell when a Windows box gets hacked. I think you are being irrational.
- Rob La Gesse
Matt: in my case it was the REPUTATION of Wordpress's upgrades that was keeping me from upgrading. I was waiting to see what other people reported broke. I didn't realize the severity of the security problems. But, I am now upgrading automatically. So I'm fixed. But you still have a reputation problem. Lots of people are reporting things break when they upgrade.
- Robert Scoble
Rob, I'm not blaming them. I'm saying it's the responsibility of any host, of any software, to stay up to date. If there was a SSH vulnerability on Robert's box I would say the same thing. Software updates are inevitable, there is no such thing as bug-free code, so staying up to date is a must.
- Matt Mullenweg
Isn't all this open source code? If it's broken, why not fix it? Doesn't everyone have the responsibility to do that? It's not any one source's fault in that case.
- Jesse Stay
Matt - I agree with you. So make Wordpress upgrades SAFE, automatic AND do some internal validation of plugin code to let users know they may be running something that is potentially insecure.
- Rob La Gesse
Matt, agreed. Not when its turned out as fast as people are yelling for it. People can't have it both ways.
- Melanie Reed
Matt: all Rackspace was providing to me was a Linux host. I was responsible for getting my upgades done on anything I ran on that system. But now we have a team making sure we're following best practices. That is NOT Rackspace's problem, though. That's like blaming Microsoft for a bug in Adobe software.
- Robert Scoble
I never listen to the reputation, I always upgrade as a security upgrade is out, and if a plugin doesn't work or I deactivate it or I fix it. Security is much more important than a plugin and Matt knows how many plugins has my blog (when he looked my backend he was very sad ad he said that it was the first time for him to see so many plugin in a blog :-) ) To have a self host blog it's difficult and time expensive.
- wolly
There are several very useful plugins specifically addressing security issues; and monitoring WP for suspicious activities (both on file and database level). Here are some articles with tips to harden your blog http://bit.ly/sZgh6 (delicious bookmarks). I only install plugins from authors from whom I know that they implement top level php; no breaking of upgrades on my 3 WP blogs has taken place (2.7-2.8-2.8.4)
- Jeroen De Miranda
Yeah, plugin issues are the responsibility of the plugin developer, not Wordpress's. I don't see how this is Wordpress's or Rackspace's fault.
- Jesse Stay
By the way, Matt, Sheamus, over on my comments on my blog, says he has the latest upgrades in place and he's still being broken into. You might help him figure out how the hackers are breaking in still.
- Robert Scoble
Sorry, I was under the impression Rackspace had recommended you move away from WordPress.com and taken responsibility for the system. I was worried about your blog -- I emailed you about this in August but never heard back. It breaks my heart when someone's WordPress gets compromised.
- Matt Mullenweg
I understand the feeling though - if people are still being broken into after being told a fix was made, especially if you're not a developer, that can be a little scary. I'd look to other solutions in that case if it were me, and it's no one's fault. It's just perception and fear, very valid fear.
- Jesse Stay
I do believe there is a false sense of securty that WORDPRESS fosters by hosting plugins. I think many assume that because they download the pluging VIA Wordpress, and FROM Wordpress, it is somehow vetted.
- Rob La Gesse
Matt: no. I wanted to move to my own install of Wordpress so that I could run many more plugins and start doing stuff other professional bloggers were doing. I am learning very quickly just how much work goes on behind the scenes to make sure my words were protected.
- Robert Scoble
Once you've been hacked once if you don't clean up every trace (preferably a systems person does this) it's very likely something is left that allows the spammers to easily break back in, regardless of what version you're on. That's why the trouble with upgrading is worth it, it's much, much less than the trouble of fixing a hacked blog.
- Matt Mullenweg
Jesse: yeah, at Microsoft when a box got broken into they wouldn't let you use it anymore. They forced you to reinstall it with all patches loaded. They assumed that it was compromised and that someone stuck a back door in somewhere. That's a lot of work too.
- Robert Scoble
install either wp-backup or wp-dbmanager and configure database backup: every day; download to your local pc (or to a system other than your hosting provider); run a check once a month to see whether you can reconstruct the blog in case of calamity, That is my procedure; works fine.
- Jeroen De Miranda
if a commoner gets hacked, then he should move to wordpress.com services or what?
- testbeta
they should just make it not have any security holes!
- Mark
Robert, if you like I'd be happy to host your blog for you (and I'm on Rackspace servers). I can keep it secure as well. I'd only ask some mention of SocialToo somewhere (or payment of some form in order to cover the cost of bandwidth).
- Jesse Stay
I would also be able to keep it backed up for you.
- Jesse Stay
I'll also install any plugins you're interested in trying
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: in my case, I now have a team of the top security guys at Rackspace working on it and making sure my system is up to date and backed up. They also are learning a lot about this and other people who have had problems and are building a list of best practices.
- Robert Scoble
This is eventually why I didn't go with Mosso. The service looks good, but you still have to manage your app yourself which opens you up to problems like you've experienced. It would be cool if they offered another layer of management on top so apps could be completely hands free.
- Todd Hoff
the alternative (i.e. strong vetting of all plugins) would turn the whole WordPress ecosphere into something such as Ning.... only some 300 addons (as far as I know); little flexibility very intransparent how to get your addin accepted .... Not an attractive model for me....
- Jeroen De Miranda
Robert, excellent - just wanted to make sure the offer was out there. Maybe that could be a tiered service for Rackspace, although I'm not sure it's something Rackspace wants to get into. Bluehost barely makes any money off of that type of service.
- Jesse Stay
Steve: I think that's a reasonable set of assumptions. The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. When I was on Wordpress.com I was always jealous of blogs that were able to run the latest plugins and use the latest embed codes from various sites.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, it's even more fun when you can customize the plugins and themes as a developer. :-)
- Jesse Stay
@testbeta wrdpress.com is a very good choice if you don't have time or you don't know how to manage security on yors self hosted blog
- wolly
wolly: that takes out the open source fun part ;) well i have nothing much to do on my blogs so i keep mine updated ;)
- testbeta
I agree with you :-) but many people love blogging non update theirs blogs :-)
- wolly
when my sites were hacked - a wordpress employee reached out to me- i dont remember her name but we sent a few emails - i could write for days about what happened to my 5 sites - my take is simple - i think the issues are a combo of rackspace (my host) and wordpress (my software) - i can tell you this - in 3+ yrs on drupal, i was NEVER hacked. and Matt is right - the real issue is that...
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- Allen Stern
Allen - what version of WP are you running today?
- Rob La Gesse
If there's a shell script on the same server as you, even if it's not your account, everything on that server is at risk regardless of the software or its version.
- Matt Mullenweg
I would switch to a new server if I were infected at this point.
- Jesse Stay
Properly configured, user space can be isolated and these scripts cannot cross-pollinate.
- Rob La Gesse
It can be -- but publish a shell login on your server and we'll see. ;) The right answer is to scrub that sort of access.
- Matt Mullenweg
Matt - that comment on the "shell script" is silly. What are you actually trying to say?
- Robert J Taylor
Some sort of backdoor that allows a remote user to execute code -- it's super common.
- Matt Mullenweg
rob/matt - that wsa one of the biggest issues with my RS account - i had all the sites together in one "client" so when they hacked one - they were able to move around with their shell script into all my other sites - now each site is in a sep. "client" so the damage can only hurt me on one site - and believe me it does hurt :( i believe insidetransit and centernetworks are hit in google
- Allen Stern
@Scobleizer I'm sticking with @wordpress it doesn't worry me that much, plus I always update and have backups of db and site emailed to me
- Justin Yost
Allen - that was within one user space though. So what I stated above still stands true.
- Rob La Gesse
Allen and Robert are big enough that if they had a problem they could contact us and we'd help them, though as far as I know neither did, but I worry a lot more about smaller folks who get hit in the same way. The knowledge for how to properly clean up after a hack is more systems than software and not widespread.
- Matt Mullenweg
As Allen mentioned above, he did have a conversation with Wordpress.
- Rob La Gesse
matt - thanks for putting me in the same category as robert! *blush* - i did reach out to you - and your security guy was helping me big time - it seemed to turn out that the WP Contact Form 7 was the thing that caused it to start - i didn't document it all online because the security guy wanted time to get the plugin developer to fix the upload hole. - btw his name was mark jaquith and he was great
- Allen Stern
So why not some scheme where Wordpress vets a plugin and "blesses it" - perhaps a small charge for this service? As long as Wordpress is advertising plugins on the dashboard I think there ample reason to hold Wordpress to some level of accountability for those plugins
- Rob La Gesse
rob - that's what i told mark - they should offer that service for a tiny fee - stamp a "certified" stamp on it.
- Allen Stern
Just updated all my sites, doesnt look I was hit.
- sean percival
sean - no one would hit you - they know you would lala all over them
- Allen Stern
I've read almost all of the comments here, not hearing these mentioned once: Robert did not backup, kept the default 'admin' username and failed to update. These are three of the most basic security measures out there. Not blaming it on Robert, because we all fail on this sometimes, but these basics really are important!
- Abounding Media
Abounding: yup. And the lesson here is don't host your own version of Wordpress unless you have a security team making sure you're doing it right and backing up (something I never did on Wordpress.com, by the way). Oh, and Twitter taught us that even if you do all of that you've gotta make sure you pick great passwords and think through ways that social hacks could be done to get into your accounts.
- Robert Scoble
http://markjaquith.wordpress.com/2008... some great tips of Mark Jaquith on writing secure plugins - I use these and other tips when scanning the PHP code of new plugins that I intend to use (before deploying them)
- Jeroen De Miranda
Jeroen, thanks for posting that. I've had phishers getting into one of my WP installs recently, but couldn't tell which plugin it was. I deactivated two plugins, including CF7, the other day, and haven't had any more problems. And a shoutout to Ryan Boren on the WP dev team for helping me to de-infect.
- John Craft
Robert: Welcome to the world of web development for impatient users and disgruntled hackers
- Melanie Reed
john - the CF7 is what killed me a few months ago - it's because the form allows uploads even if you don't actually have them on - i believe they patched it but i have not gone back there.
- Allen Stern
anybody know if a little smily face appearing in the lower right hand corner of ones footer is a sign of a compromise on a self hosted wp blog?
- Richard Reeve
John, your are welcome! SQL injects attacks specifically exploit data entry fields used by the plugin; one should at least scan the PHP code of these plugins, and look at what kind of escape functions are used around handling of the data entry.
- Jeroen De Miranda
"it's because the form allows uploads even if you don't actually have them on" - wow. That's bad.
- John Craft
"anybody know if a little smily face appearing in the lower right hand corner of ones footer is a sign of a compromise on a self hosted wp blog?" - if you didn't put it there, it probably is. In your admin go to appearance, theme editor, and read the footer.php file.
- John Craft
Richard - are you using the WordPress.com Stats plugin?
- Andre Natta
some plugins worth considering to install are: wp-exploit-scanner, wordpress file monitor, WP security scan, anti virus
- Jeroen De Miranda
I don't understand why people are worried about a plugin breaking when it comes to upgrading WordPress. If a plugin does break, disable it for the time being. I rather have a secure installation of WordPress running and would worry about fixing the plugin afterwards.
- Jason Hansen
Hmmmm . . . I run WP Stats, but see no smiley face.
- John Craft
ah...thanks folks...stats it is. phew...so I'm not paranoid...
- Richard Reeve
The problem with WordPress is that it forces you to upgrade. Imagine if Microsoft forced everybody to upgrade to Vista/Windows 7 in order to get their security holes plugged. WordPress should release security patches for the current and at least for the previous version.
- Nikolay Kolev
They dont force you to upgrade. If you dont want to patch, you can leave it at the current version ( but with a risk )
- Kashif Khan
Where's the patch for the 2.7 version then?
- Nikolay Kolev
Their versioning strategy bumps up numbers even for patches . And how many versions behind should they support ?
- Kashif Khan
Many of the WordPress security issues are not coming from the WordPress itself, but from the poorly written WordPress plugins. I think it would be nice if Automattic starts an "Automattic Certified" program giving blog owners the peace of mind they need. Every hacker can upload a plugin at WordPress.org, advertise it as something great, bloggers install it, see that it's nothing as advertised, uninstall it, but the WordPress instances are already hacked.
- Nikolay Kolev
Plugins are open source and free and nobody (well, with some exceptions) would pay to get their free plugin certified. The only way to do this is by having a community review process, based on some credibility score and voter authority system where 1,000 fake hacker accounts won't, for example, outweigh Matt's or Mark's votes.
- Nikolay Kolev
part of the problem is the cry wolf syndrome - if i updated every day wordpress had a security problem i'd want to be salaried on the payroll :D Wordpress needs some sort of alert notification - twitter or something that indicates if there's an update AND the severity and if its severe enough sends it to my phone.
- mal
let me play the other side of the coin - i've been using vbulletin for my forums for probably more than 5 years - and it's never once been hacked - why is this - is it because it's paid? is it just more secure? would love to get some input on why wordpress seems to be the attacker's gold.
- Allen Stern
@allenstern because it pays back better to have wp hacked
- A. T.
Another devil - I have clients using Expression Engine for years (with plugins) and haven't had a problem either. Checking security sites, EE has had very few vs the many with WP and some with Drupal. Matts suggestion that one hosts with him to avoid problems and keep updated just isn't in the cards for business sites. Just too many vulnerabilities with WP over the years for me to recommend it.
- PXLated
i can tell you that within 2 days of moving from drupal to wp, my sites were hacked - all of them - and it made me seriously question the move - the reasons i moved were because wp is a bit easier to edit/code than drupal and because the admin panel in wordpress is awesome compared to the crap panel in drupal - i wrote up a whole post about why i moved - i'd like to see matt write a post about their qa and security procedures for their releases
- Allen Stern
Alen, once Drupal 7 get released, you may actually go back. :)
- Nikolay Kolev
Robert - If I were you I'd move away from Wordpress and fast. Its security record is dire and has been for ages. Other solutions are a lot more stable, whereas Wordpress seems to have security bugs every second week. Why anyone puts up with it is really beyond me. I moved to MovableType and haven't had to worry about caching issues or security problems
- Michele Neylon
#somethingpersonal WP calls you "technical evengelist", Robert. When you say «Yes, I didn’t have a backup. I should learn to do backups» I call you a mediawhore. Nothing TECH-NI-CAL, just bulled ego. Learn Security, Performance, Reliability, you ignorant piece.
- ETOT ABOUT ТРЕНИНГ
Robert - "the reputation around the Net is that upgrades on Wordpress break things" I'm sorry but that's just not true, I use many many plugins across about 20 sites and I've only ever ONCE had a plugin break during a WP upgrade.
- John O'Nolan
Definitely check if Google Reader has your lost posts - as of a few months ago, it didn't handle deletes very well :)
- Michael Herf
This recent wave of WordPress incidents shows the negative side of using open source software. Matt says that there are many people looking into WordPress' source code, but the problem is that probably half of those people have malicious reasons for doing so.
- Nikolay Kolev
@Matt - why not have a module that adds *automatic* upgrades? The one-click update feature is very nice, but zero clicks is better. With a decent snapshot/rollback system you could update most people securely right away--email them and let them rollback if something breaks.
- Michael Herf
@robert: we might be able to help you recover the lost blog posts if you want. Google Reader has an archive of them and we helped another blogger in the past recover her losses. Let me know if we can help.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
@matt when do you start to care about poor people unlike robert... who can't afford *VIP* i am willing to pay $25+ per month of course with my adsense ads :}
- Imran Jafri
@robert by the way you made one of the worst choice to move away from wordpress.com i think it wasn't price issue rather you wanted to be brand *ambassador* for rackspace which was only possible if you host your blog on their damn servers... if i get enough visitors i would switch to wordpress.com vip without taking 2nd breathe........
- Imran Jafri
I run just a few plugins, and research and vet them first. And upgrade to new WP versions within a week. Look, attacks happen, running self-hosted can get complicated. But this is true with any software or OS
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
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Nikolay, it's always better to have more people looking at the code, because a bug that's been found is better than a bug that hasn't. WordPress used to get almost no security problems and people thought it was because it was coded differently, when in fact it was coded far worse than it is today it just didn't have enough users to make it worthwhile to target. Also where many...
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- Matt Mullenweg
Nikolay: I would also push back against your assumption that using Open Source software equals less security. Microsoft Windows and OS X are both closed source and both have security holes - there is a competition each year to help MS and Apple find them and fix them. Both Apple and Microsoft came away with security holes to fix this year. So just because it's open source doesn't...
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- Tim
that's what you get for the fun of installing and hosting your own installation, instead of using "the cloud".
- Ihar Mahaniok
Robert - I recommend WP S3 Backups for backing up your database to off-site storage. Amazon S3 is a great place to host backups of your Wordpress database and is relatively inexpensive. You *always* want backups *off* the server so in case the server is compromised, the backups are still clean. This plugin works like a charm, is automatic and could have saved you. Cheers!
- Scott Jarkoff
anybody know of a test that can be done to see if a wp blog has been compromised? Has a few strange user subscriptions about a week ago...but not noticing any thing else...I did upgrade weeks ago, but soon enough?
- Richard Reeve
bug exploits keep security IT folks in their day job, sad but true.
- Jim Posner
In IT it keeps me busy but the reality is if you update your software on a regular basis you can minimize these from affecting you.
- Rob Cairns
Robert, any chance archive.org has some of your old blog posts? Google Cache?
- drew olanoff
Matt, another thing to note is that Wordpress.com is often blocked in China (even if you have your own custom URL like scobleizer.com). There are advantages to NOT being hosted by Wordpress.com although your point about increased responsibilty for keeping up with security patches is still valid.
- Elliott Ng
Drew: yeah, but what do I do? Just republish them?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Sure why not. Scoble's best of. Reason why I hate stuff on the net sometimes is good stuff gets lost.
- drew olanoff
Give a try to the "WordPress Database Backup" plugin for WordPress and you'll receive regular backups on your email
- Francois Lamotte
Robert, You can get all of your lost blog post html out of Google Reader. I'm not exactly sure how to link Disqus back, maybe it's as simple as re-adding the old posts with the same title/date i.e. Url (I don't use it). Yet another reason to use FULL RSS feeds (instead of summary). See RSS isn't dead.. it's now a backup tool too! (http://ff.im/7JrlC)
- Chris Myles
Wordpress is a great blogging tool. It is however the largest target now - much like how Windows gets a crap-top more virii because it's the most used system. Someone used Drupal as am example of security... well I'm sure if Drupal was anywhere near the scale of usage Wordpress is you'd see hacks for that too.
- Gregory Wild-Smith
Robert: Just repost them with the dates set to the original dates they were posted. Simple, and no-one will ever know ;)
- Gregory Wild-Smith
I have always had a bad feeling about Wordpress. YMMV.
- Gordon Joly
from twhirl
Robert It could be a Rackspace problem and Not a Wordpress Problem. They might to increase there security on the Rackspace!!! You should checck into that!!
- Paul
One of the reasons I waited 2 years to switch from MovableType to WordPress was due to the security issues. I felt that the track record improved over the past year and moved 11 sites over. I can say this I employ a very extensive back up scheme but still worry about it. The ability to upgrade with a single click of a button has made it much easier to upgrade, but I always worry which plugins are going to break as I use a lot of plugins.
- Todd Cochrane
hmm... I think that a lot of this conversation is missing something. Most software security updates are usually tested in hosts and thus delayed in their own releases by at the minimum of a week's time usually. This is due to hosting internal testing of patches before rolling it out to all servers. Now, whether or not RS actually performs these types of procedures, I don't know... but I...
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- Ben Hwang
First: I keep my blog up to date. Always. Fuck plugins, I decided that when I made the decision to use WP for my blog that updates would be a priority, only because of all the security issues that I remember from the early early days. Having said that, I have to agree with Robert that the perception with WordPress, despite all the work with auto-updates and in-blog notification is STILL...
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- Christina Warren
from iPod
I am spending the day finally making a back-up of my web space, then the upgrade.
- Sebastian Keil
you are right to not feel safe: when you are on the dominant platform, holes get taken advantage of really fast. At least it being open source you know it will also get plugged fast
- Iphigenie
"what do I do? Just republish them?" - Robert, you can set the published date to the original July or August date in the "new post" form. Where it says "publish immediately," click "edit".
- John Craft
I couldn't disagree more that the reputation is that an upgrade will break a plugin. How many plugins reach into the Wordpress core and screw around with it? Less than 5%? Any examples of plugins that broke w/ 2.8.4?
- beersage
Somebody hacked into my WordPress blog earlier this year as well. It was a bummer because I was working on a draft copy of a blog post that was very rough and had not been edited and they published it. I was on vacation shooting in Chicago and didn't figure it out until several hours after they'd already published it. Fortunately they didn't seem to do anything malicious other than...
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- Thomas Hawk
@Robert: "[Rackspace] are learning a lot about this and other people who have had problems and are building a list of best practices." Is it possible this list is something RS might share?
- John House
@Matt Mullenweg: I do like WordPress (even though we had a public argument with you and another Automattic employee on TechCrunch a while ago) and I am a passionate supporter of open source software - don't get me wrong. But sometimes open source code makes it a bit easier for hackers! For example, one hacker hears about an exploit and without communicating with others, finds the hole independently by just looking into the source code and starts exploiting it on his own.
- Nikolay Kolev
Social Media Club blogs got hit as well as several of our personal blogs (still sorting it all out). We try to keep up on most upgrades, but every time we do, simple plugins (like the Event calendar) break. Seems silly, but we have hours of work after each upgrade to try and keep everything intact, and sometimes, we end up downgrading until the 'essential' plugins catch up, which...
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- Kristie Wells
I have 2 wordpress blogs. One on my own domain and one at wordpress central. Still can't get my head around their upgrade gymnastics - may just stick with eBlogger after all.
- Houseofmax
i don't know what will happen in times to come but from the existing platforms, i love wordpress and i am not going anywhere, but that doesn't matter for wordpress right? ;)
- testbeta
Robert, at the end of it is just only your bloody laziness in upgrading that led you here :) Jokes aside, please at least be honest and say you didn't upgradede twice... :p.
- Matteo Flora
Nope. I upgraded to 2.8.4 as soon as it was out but the hackers had already broken in.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
The fact that WordPress is currently being exploited doesn't mean that other platforms are immune. For example, the recently discovered XSS issue with Ruby on Rails makes not only blogs, but every unpatched site a target. So, the only issue I'm having is forcing us to upgrade to a new major version without much time to do proper testing (I'm not talking about personal blogs here). I...
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- Nikolay Kolev
So Techdirt was hacked a bit ago. See their reaction: http://www.techdirt.com/article... it is the reality of owning a web site guys - ANY software is hackable if someone really wants in.
- Adam Singer
@Robert: as I see it Wordpress is as vulnerable as any other web app. Upgrading does good, but preemptive security does more and better. I know Matt and he knows I'm in awe with him and Automattic but simply spoken I DON'T TRUST WORDPRESS as I don't trust any other software. A little WebApp Security Firewall (or at least a little .htaccess rules for admin and preemptive locking of...
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- Matteo Flora
i find it interesting, and depressing that people are blaming Rackspace, they're blaming Wordpress, they're blaming Robert, but no one, *no one* seems to be willing to blame the only, ONLY people who deserve blame: the evolutionary failures that attacked Robert's blog.
- John C. Welch
Thanks to your post, I found backdoor Admin in my own blog (created yesterday apparently). Promptly deleted it, upgraded blog and took other measures, which I blogged about
- Adi Rabinovich
@Matt Mullenweg: "so staying up to date is a must. - Matt Mullenweg" You gave the birth to one of the coolest piece of free software on the net, also your community is strong an love-full, you can do some PRs listening to Scoble that is crying, but you couldn't do anything better than you did. Take it easy man, all your competitors still suck. (PS. also a cleaning utility to understand better if everything is ok on our hosts would be cool ;-)
- simone righini
Matt: What does a user need to provide, in order to be considered for a VIP wordpress.com account?
- Jim Connolly
I would simply like to reiterate the point that if you're going to put free open source software on a rented web server, you need to either know how to administer it or hire someone to do it for you. Neither Rackspace or Wordpress are to blame here. We discuss this with our clients all the time who view web development as a one off expense, then get upset when their site is hacked because it wasn't maintained.
- JP Maxwell
One more point, I think there are way too many false lines drawn over aras of responsibility - "I'm systems, not a PHP programmer. I'm a PHP programmer, not a Javascript person. I'm a designer, not a programmer or a systems person." If you are a WEB developer or responsible for maintaining hosted WEB applications, you need to know a bit about it all. It simply isn't sufficient to demarcate your knowledge sphere and point your finger at the other guy.
- JP Maxwell
Scoble is now a Twitter evangelist instead of an FF evangelist?
- Justin Long
It a function of social media - people tend to follow people that are "like" them and tend to agree.. or if you disagree you just drop them. So you are often singing in a choir with everyone else who is off key. ;-) la la lahhh la la (that is me singing well sort of)..
- Sherry Reynolds
Justin: until Facebook decides what to do with the FriendFeed team I am a lot less able to evangelize it. And anyway it really doesn't have a chance to go mainstream.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Seriously? You're "shocked" more people aren't arguing with your valuation of Twitter between midnight Saturday night and 6AM Sunday morning Pacific time?
- Ken Sheppardson
I'm usually good for devil's advocate, and willing to argue things I know absolutely nothing about, but 1) I didn't see it, 2) and you're probably on target. You have a link?
- motownmutt
Also, Posterous has been having issues. They appear to be down again.
- Ken Sheppardson
I didn't necessarily disagree, but in a tweet reply, I said your post looked like it was headed, "Pre-posterous"
- Rex Hammock
I disagree with it, but not strongly and I don't really care, so I didn't want to argue. :-)
- Dave Winer
What I think is most interesting about your post is how it rocketed to the top of TechMeme. It feels like a sarcastic response from Gabe about your complaining about how he wouldn't point to your FriendFeed tweet from his blog when you got the scoop about the Yelp app on the iPhone last week. (Yes I think of TechMeme as Gabe's blog, foolish me.)
- Dave Winer
This thread reminded me of the following quote (which I adore for its kind and affectionate view!) and especially, Dave's post above...and really what FreindFeed is pretty much about: "It is exactly because argument is idle that men (I mean males) must take it seriously;for when (we feel), until the crack of doom,shall we have so delightful a difference again? But most of all I offer it...
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- Melanie Reed
What thesis. Robert? Sorry missed it.
- Kol Tregaskes
If only one could comment on the comments. Lovely quotation Melanie Reed.
- Bob Boynton
I second what Dave said --> I don't really care, so I didn't want to argue. / I'll reserve arguing to stuff that's worth arguing about.
- Rex Hammock
That's the point -- we love you Scoble much more than we care about whether Ev and Biz are worth $1 billion or $5 billion. That's their money. They're still fuckers for doing the SUL. And I still want to find a new home where we own it instead of being at the mercy of such people. Their money is so boring. At least Jorge Lorenzo will sit down and eat a nice meal with you. That's who you should be writing about.
- Dave Winer
I could quibble about your valuation for Twitter -- I think you're a little over-exuberant there -- but I'm too busy setting up my new laptop. :)
- Rachel Luxemburg
Robert - you post on the race for real time web is amazing - I really want to know where you see real time TV fitting into this?
- James Stewart
Don't pull an Arrington, man. Be cool.
- Daniel Fath
Nice going Robert, we all are looking forward to knowing when the time comes.
- courtney benson
Damn... I got excited for a second that I may be among the first to know what he's up to. I guess I'll wait to find out along with everyone else!
- Jodi Echakowitz
Daniel: it could be "JeremiahGate!" :-)
- Robert Scoble
I think you guys are already breaking the ground by using Kyte etc and I tune in, but as a business channel in NZ I believe we need to be out there every day interviewing amazing people, streaming it live, enabling real time chats via FF and the Ustream intergration with facebook - I see facebook as the new TV platform that most people spend their time hanging out on and if they see an...
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- James Stewart
FF is pretty cool for these kinds of flash news teasers. :)
- Dave "Freedom 35"
James: FriendFeed's real time search engine has a lot of cool features that never were explored. I really hope that's what they are going to do for Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
The problem is that most people that use the internet are still just getting on facebook, I am 25 and I only have a handful of people friends my age that twitter as they don't have a community on there they can identify with - I like what you said about Facebook Public - that is definitely where I see them going with some serious live streaming intergration. Facebook will win because...
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- James Stewart
Robert: True man, since I saw this partnership happen my head has been whizzing with ideas for the implications of it. >> Most of the people in my age group watch videos that have been shared on facebook by their friends and favourite groups. Definitely some new stuff with video on it's way - keep us posted! Thanks for the replies :)
- James Stewart
Jesse: no and not Facebook either. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Either your going to be a big tease or a tattle tale either of which will get you beaten up on the playground, so stop it (:
- Kim Landwehr
from BuddyFeed
Robert. You're a friend, but you've a habit of breaking news --sometimes when folks aren't ready. It's not personal, but I just know your traits. I'm going to brief you in detail on Wed. We can do a video if you'd like --I'll come to you. Hugs?
- Jeremiah Owyang
Robert - hug Jeremiah, do the video - but insist he brings that little dog with him. IT is cute :)
- Rob La Gesse
Will Robert put away his (fake) wounded pride and interview Jeremiah on Wednesday? Oh yes, he will - and now we have a deadline. Good work Robert!
- Kami Huyse
OK, can we flashmob to celebrate Jeremiah's new gig right after the interview?
- Elliott Ng
Jeremiah: here is the deal. I am not under embargo but already know the news. So I think I will call Arrington because you didn't embargo me. Oh, and I +do+ keep embargoes. I am even keeping a secret about two things you will learn in the morning.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I still struggle with my 7 year old son to not steal his siblings' thunder in matters important to them. It's not easy for him.
- Josh Haley
I know a lot of things, not even just two, but maybe not the two you are thinking of
- Jesse Stay
Kami, I saw Robert yesterday, and I asked him if I'd hurt his feelings, he said "yes". Robert and I go back, there was a time (ustream launch) where we well, didn't coordinate on news. He's truly a friend, and someone I respect as a media trailblazer --but I need to get everything coordinated. To be clear, he was on the list of folks I'd brief in detail --others just got cursory info.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Here's a long discussion on where Jeremiah Owyang will be going next. Interesting discussion developing on embargoes and 'bloggers'
- Drew B
Lets figure out where he is going. Who is in most need of Jeremiahs incredible intelligence on social media?
- Nisse
Drew, is it interesting that Robert is threatening me that I didn't tell him? Should bloggers assert themselves to get news? (it's a bit fun watching him get antsy)
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah, I find the continual embargo deiscussions fascinating. I hope your trust is respected here.
- Drew B
from email
Jeremiah: my feelings were hurt because you told pretty much everyone else in the industry other than me. Here's a hint: they can't keep their mouths shut either. But I will. You will know tomorrow that I actually do know the news. But the other deal is that you're wrong. I've kept hundreds of embargoes over the past year and haven't leaked them to anyone. If you weren't a friend and...
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- Robert Scoble
So they want the publicity you can bring but want to control the timing and message. I would be inclined to not agree as well. Sounds like you are being used.
- Brian Sullivan
I hear news all the time about people who aren't necessarily friends but would generally want the news quiet - does this mean I should start leaking those details? I'm not sure the right answer to that. The problem though is often the way I hear about that information is through other friends who were trusted to keep the info private. Is it worth betraying the trust of those friends as well?
- Jesse Stay
The problem comes maybe when you are "friends" with everybody but also are trying to be a legitimate reporter at the same time. We criticize television and newspaper reporters for this all the time but tech reportage seems to get a pass.
- Brian Sullivan
Jesse, yeah your situations seem tough because if you leak, you're a jackass because someone else can't keep their mouth shut.
- Chris Heath
Brian: everyone uses me, I'm used to it, it's part of the role I play in life. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I was planning on telling you before the announcement --and the offer still stands. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings, that wasn't my intent.
- Jeremiah Owyang
nothing really andru, I say we just move along and let Robert and I handle this offline. Clearly, we need to work this out.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Talking to Scoble now, I apologized. I take back what I said above, he's not broken any embargos in a while and I take that charge back. I also briefed him, as a friend, and more. Sorry Robert, I crossed the line.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Dude, why would you do that? I knew where you were going both times, and I kept it to myself. I coulda broken it, but why violate trust.
- Jeremy Pepper
Jeremy: who you talking to? No one has violated any trust. We're all cool now anyway.
- Robert Scoble
Jeremy: and when I left Microsoft someone DID violate my trust and leaked it within hours. So what? It all works out. Coordination is overrated.
- Robert Scoble
LOL Jason. But Robert is right, co-ordination can be overrated.
- Ian Betteridge
Jeremiah - your recognition and classifications/categorizations of trends and strategies is truly unique. Thank you for all you've done at Forrester. Whatever your new role is, I hope you'll continue to share your thoughts.
- A Mitchell
I know it's weak but I follow 350 people on Twitter. I'm constantly between 350-400. I want to be under 500 and yes it's pretty awesome. On the same token, I only subscribe to 20 blogs now on RSS (down from 150 in December)
- Adam Jackson
So you've told us that DMs are the reason you follow everyone.... How important are DMs to you? Can't you just post an email address?
- Ben Hanten
Chris: Twitter did. If I don't follow you you can't DM me.
- Robert Scoble
If you find cool content creators / distributors and you gain value, why would the number matter?
- David Damore
Ben: I tried the email thing. Lots of people want to DM, not email.
- Robert Scoble
Ben: I found a workaround: two Twitter accounts. One that autofollows everyone back. One where I follow just the best people.
- Robert Scoble
Obviously you and I are at very different places in the social media world, but... the DM thing is very marginal for me. Limiting the characters on a direct message seems ridiculous.
- Ben Hanten
Ben: I agree that DM's suck. But people still love using them with me. Chad Hurley did today (he started YouTube).
- Robert Scoble
I did multiple twitter accounts until Seesmic Desktop came along.
- Justin Yost
Right, but... That's still weird to me because you only follow people you have met and can tell a story about. I have a lot of friends online that are invaluable, but I have never met... Works for you, though.
- Ben Hanten
What every happened to Dunbar numbers??? I thought we were supposed to top out at 150?
- V Mary Abraham
Ben: I've started adding some people I haven't met, but they must be interesting and have very little noise.
- Robert Scoble
V Dunbar numbers are bullshit. I've proven to myself that I can keep track of more than that.
- Robert Scoble
Makes sense. And noise to you is... links, etc.?
- Ben Hanten
Obviously you like links, but.... Well what is noise to you?
- Ben Hanten
Is there an RSS feed for all 743 people? One stream.
- David Damore
Welcome to the club of rational Twitter use.
- David Chartier
Yeah, I took the wrong strategy last year. I was into "How many followers can I get? Maybe I can become famous!" Then the celebs came and that became futile. It was wrong headed anyway. So now all the tweets I'm intereested in are drowned out. I've turned off auto follow and am weeding out. Just starting with the obvious marketers, then working from there. I don't care so much how many people are following me, just want to get value from the system
- Stephen Pickering
I guess I could start another account, but I feel it would make me schizo
- Stephen Pickering
It seems that about 500 of those accounts are being streamed into Friendfeed. New group. notsecretscoble
- David Damore
Noise is like porn. I don't know how to define it, but I know it when I see it.
- Robert Scoble
I suppose that's true. When I go to Twitter, I see about two interesting things on the whole page. I imagine that's what you're talking about.
- Ben Hanten
"How I use Twitter" http://www.youtube.com/watch... From April 2008 - My how I miss Track. Philosophy still holds true today. Value your closest contacts, everyone else track through replies/search.
- Bwana ☠
Also I was influenced by a Guy Kawasaki animation that showed that there's more value in a lot of "unimportant people" than a few "important" people. it was funny. Scoble was one of the cartoons on the "important" people side of the see saw. Then he showed the weight of the masses over powering the weight of the few "important" people. But I don't think its about that. It's about how many people can you really engage with
- Stephen Pickering
All of this talk would be pointless if Twitter had groups and sorting like FriendFeed.
- Ben Hanten
I'm pretty stringent about the # of people I follow and have never let it get over 350. I periodically review who I follow to cycle some people in and out, which is a little more work than "follow and forget" but it's worth it to have a Twitter feed that I actually find useful.
- Rachel Luxemburg
Guy is here? I remember a while back he DMed me and said that he only uses Twitter. Great, that's about to change.
- wiredgnome
from iPod
Him first, then all the marketers will follow. So long to the "geeks" era of FriendFeed. Should I be worried?
- wiredgnome
from iPod
Twitter had me set up on auto- follow back in July of last year. At the time, it actually reduced spammer visibility in my Twitter stream. The bots and spammers were effectively drowned out. That reversed on me around April. So in May, I tried to manually unfollow all the bots and spammers... Which proved to be an impossible task. While I can selectively focus on multiple threads of conversation, I find that I do max out at about 150 at any single time.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Jonathan: if we were in Chicago we'd go hit Rush street! Tim, if I was in Hotlanta we'd hit the CocaCola museum then we'd hit the Underground.
- Robert Scoble
Lets be honest, it's not been a very exciting day today on Friendfeed.
- Mark
I thought those Apple tablet rumours on macrumours would have gotten us salivating on FF
- Mark
Mark: that's cause I went to FriendFeed. :-) Apple tablet rumors? I think they are lame. I had a tablet back in 2003.
- Robert Scoble
I will "virtually" on the east coast.
- Kreg Steppe
New Orleans is a little far from Half Moon Bay, but a whiskey at the Ritz sounds so nice.
- Chris Brakebill
It was really great meeting Prolific Programmer at the Ritz. On the way home I met a neighbor who gave Patrick and me a lesson in raccoon control.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Be a long bike ride :) Last Time I made it out that way was towards the end of a multiple day bicycle tour :) Half Moon Bay's a fun place though.
- Raymond Marr aka Knatchwa
I'll be there tomorrownite with the wife if anybody wants to join us.
- Randy Ksar
from twhirl
Viki: going to the Ritz with a programmer makes it safe. We met a carpenter from Chicago there who owns a horse that came in fifth in the Kentucky Derby. Interesting times!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Randy: at HMB Ritz? We will see you there. Should we bring the smores kit?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
[humble suggestion] Whatever whiskey Robert drinks, Robert must travel to where the whiskey is made and interview the people and video the processes that derive such sweet thunder. Call it Whiskey Geeks and finish the strokes of others that tried but appear to have stopped after the imbibe phase of the process.
- Jay Cuthrell
Would love to - but I'm on a different continent right now :(
- Jim Connolly
Grasslands is pretty cool looking, but when I comment on a post, the comment field is hidden in the grass. :D
- Josh Haley
Nice job! These are some pretty spiffy themes. I would have commented earlier, but I was busy shooting ducks. I switched from Helvetica to Steampunk for now. I still want my old school monochrome monitor black screen and green text theme :P
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
"old school monochrome monitor black screen and green text theme"? oh hellzyeah! can we also get an amber monochrome version?? they can be called "Hercules Green" and "Hercules Amber"! :D
- Joe The Sausage
oooooo...I like that...Hercules Green and Hercules Amber
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Grasslands has sun and clouds in Opera, but not in Firefox.
- ˈpɛbə
Peter I see the sun and the clouds even in Firefox
- Niki Costantini
Cool, I like Orion and Duck Hunt is fun in a simple way... But I'm going to stick with Helvetica for now. Wouldn't mind a Blue variation of it.
- Grant Bierman
Cordys Cloud application had the cloud+grass combination since about a year, and now this theme of FriendFeed makes my page look like my applications ;) mighty nice ;)
- Ashish Tiwari
I'd like,, I really would like to have a full black and green theme, like old vintage computer from the '80's, but with the power of new technology. SO, please, make me happy...
- Francesco OC
annnnd back to helvetica.....steampunk is too slow on my netbook. really really want vintage computer "hercules green" or amber theme guys! :)
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
yes mike! hercules green or amber theme! perfect...
- Francesco OC
Oh! I like Steampunk and I'm using it. Good job!
- Trang Phượng
With 40,000 apps it's amazing to me that there isn't a good expo yet. MacWorld should have rebranded itself to "iPhone World" and gone for this. This is a HUGE opportunity being left around for a conference planner to take advantage of.
- Robert Scoble
Colin: we should do one as a community. Maybe this would be a good thing for Building43 to do.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - I'd love your opinion on www.SynapticWeb.org - its the basis and framework for our thinking that produced Echo - would love to do a conf on it
- Chris Saad
I bet FF apps are coming for mobile, but I don't get why Safari isn't a great way to use FriendFeed. Maybe if you could answer that you'd get a developer interested.
- Robert Scoble
You're right that there's a massive opportunity there, a big problem with iPhone developers is that we aren't allowed/don't have excellent places to communicate with each other, this would be cool!
- Colin
The cross section of applications may be too broad.. who is the target?
- Pogmohoin
That's because 30,000 of those are just fart apps and flashlights. I think WWDC and Macworld do a fine job of highlighting the iPhone apps
- BryanSchuetz
from iPhone
Bryan: no way. WWDC is NDAd for most things and Macworld is totally lame.
- Robert Scoble
I'd love an expo where I could meet tons of the best iPhone developers and see the coolest new apps face-to-face. Discovering new apps is too hard and there's too much innovation. I bet someone does an expo soon anyway. But this would be something fun, me thinks.
- Robert Scoble
Well go out there and use your magical scoble power to make it happen!
- Jeremy Lane
Why not? I think it's a fine idea. We should have it in Denver.
- John Fiala
from iPod
John: I'm thinking of pulling an Arrington and doing it during MacWorld. :-)
- Robert Scoble
maybe you just build a virtual Expo site to rival the App Store..Interact with the developers..leave comments..developers pay for the space.. you are right.. 50 thousand apps and visibility to the top 100!
- Pogmohoin
Pogmohoin: no, I don't want to compete with Apple. I want to do a physical event where you can walk booth-to-booth and meet lots of great developers and see their cool apps.
- Robert Scoble
I here ya.. But we are not all USA savvy.. Internationalise fella's
- Pogmohoin
Pogmohoin: yes, well, we have to start somewhere and since MacWorld is in SF, I say we should do it at the same time. That way developers will already be in town.
- Robert Scoble
Cuz the iFart booth would be the size of a football field and no one wants to be next to them.
- Geoff Schultz {TF}
So the Audience is developers meeting developers? I am not knocking just really trying to nut out the advantages..btw < we are developers..
- Pogmohoin
WWDC was in June. That would be a better target for iPhone Devs is you wanted to gather some. Less so, with Mac World. There are a number of events that attract developers. There's really no shortage. The other problem you mention is an interesting one in it's own right.
- Debi Jones
It's a good idea. Not every developer can make it into WWDC. Need more outlets for developers to get notice.
- Bess Ho
Wow, very surprised no one has started one of these up yet!
- Arnold Aranez
wow - was just talking to someone about starting a london iphone developer meetup - anyone interested (other than Robert ;-) ) - ping me on ff or twitter @robocallaghan
- Robert O'Callaghan
barl0w: nope, I want something JUST for seeing cool iPhone apps. Not discussing strategy, or any of that. Sort of like a "Demo" for iPhone apps.
- Robert Scoble
I'm currently using something developed by Boopsie for our conference in Chicago. We have about 23k attendees over the course of six days. American Library Association. It works pretty decently but is primarily a schedule tool.
- Kenley Neufeld
Find 10000 FART applications, available from 0.00 to $.$$.
- ThinkEzy
Mark: I don't want a conference. I want an expo. Where you walk around and see tons of great apps and meet the developers. These guys are rock stars. I want to meet them all in one hall. Maybe get the best ones to give a demo in front of an audience, like at Demo.
- Robert Scoble
I like this idea. I run an iPhone (apps focused) site and spend lots of time looking at and reviewing good/bad/mediocre/great apps - and still feel as if there are lots that pass me by.
- Patrick Jordan
Why limit the expo to iPhone developers?
- Debi Jones
Realtors ALWAYS say it's a good time to buy. Occasionally it's even true,
- Rachel Luxemburg
Talking herself into it. Data suggests otherwise unless she's working a very small part of SV. Look at Redfin Ask versus Sale. The cascade effect is going to hit the upper-to-mid range of homes in the next few months as comps reset.
- AJ Kohn
Interesting ABC News article: "Collapse in Prices Has Finally Come Home to the Rich" "there is a still-growing supply of wildly overpriced, unsold homes--60,000 U.S. properties priced above $2 million listed on Realtor.com."http://bit.ly/g1Z8I
- Mark Evans
Newspaper or driving around town or friends. Craigslist isn't really good on my city
- Chris Heath
of the three apartments I've rented in the Bay Area none was through Craigslist. Used a now-defunct rental site for one, SFGate for another, and driving around the neighborhood looking for "For Rent" signs for the 3rd.
- Rachel Luxemburg
I've found the best places just by asking friends and being persistent about following up. Also, you can look for buildings that either look vacant, are for sale or have for rent signs, of course. Sometimes you can pre-empt the officially announced rental by contacting the owner of a building in transition to see if they might be renting in the future. I'm posting on FF—hope you're reading this.:-)
- Cathryn Hrudicka
There are plenty of people who work for big tech companies who are politically liberal and say good things about their employers. What exactly is the problem with that?
- Rachel Luxemburg
Yes Scoble is a shill, but you look like one -- so there's no integrity issue. It's people who say things that sound proletarian but are repping the corporations that should have trouble sleeping at night.
- Dave Winer
Rachel, that's not what I'm talking about. And no I'm not going to name names unless you're willing to fund my legal defense. :-) (And even then, forget it. You can use your own eyes and ears.)
- Dave Winer
Here's what shill means. http://www.google.com/search... Part of the definition is that you don't look like you're pimping. So Scoble isn't a shill, he's a rep. No integrity problem. Just don't believe him when he talks about Rackspace or their competitors.
- Dave Winer
Dave: I only say nice things about my competitors. Heheh. Maybe you are right!
- Robert Scoble
see here is where we always get tripped up with capitalism, socialism, and ethics. if we continue to make the connection between money and unethical or less than truthful behavior, then we'll harbor distrust. the compromise may well be in the beauty of social media, if we can accept the failings of others and they can improve on them. In that case it would be easier, perhaps even encouraged to me more truthful. Ego plays a role in this as well, deeper issue.
- Albert Maruggi
A shill? Is there inadequate disclosure? "A shill is an associate of a person selling goods or services or a political group, who pretends no association to the seller/group and assumes the air of an enthusiastic customer." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Tim Tyler
How did we all come together? Total accident. @lkilpatrick woke me up from a nap tonight at about 9 p.m. and said that he was at the fire ring at the Ritz with @pud, who is the guy who started AdBrite and Fucked Company. When I got there we met up and I started railing on CNN and saying Twitter was taking over the world. That's when @ev came up and said "what about Twitter?"
- Robert Scoble
hey robert - did you just tweet about yourself in the third person? :)
- Jeremy Toeman
Then we spent the next three hours together. His wife was there (they are expecting a baby, and we had the same birth class teacher http://www.mcmoylermethod.com/
- Robert Scoble
pretty funny happenstance. glad you all could sit down together for a chat :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
sounds like the night you've been waiting for for years robert. good to see you connect with @ev on a different level than your past interaction with them.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Rob: me too. I tried to bite my lip about the suggested follower thing, ended up joking around with @ev about it just a tiny bit and he took it pretty well. He likes friendfeed's new UI, but sees Facebook as Twitter's main competition.
- Robert Scoble
s'mores at the Ritz are one of my favorite activities. Thanks again Robert for telling me about it. I have met a ton of interesting and cool people at those fire rings.
- Luke Kilpatrick
ah...little does he realize... ;) (same with zukerberg I imagine)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
He says they have a ton of stuff coming out in next few months, many more features than they've shipped over their first three years.
- Robert Scoble
He confirmed they aren't up for sale, and explained why (same story that Fred Wilson gave me two weeks ago).
- Robert Scoble
Rob: no, but he said "they will jumpstart our growth again" so they are definitely optimistic that they will cause people to talk about them.
- Robert Scoble
He also confirmed that they aren't looking at advertising for revenue, at least not in short term.
- Robert Scoble
Sounds like a great #Mastermind conversation. Would love to have been a fly on the wall for it.
- David Damore
Rob: that it is, but Ev is pretty accurate reader of how people will respond to stuff. He hasn't mislead me in the past in that regard.
- Robert Scoble
I'd like to see something that doesn't remind me so much of the dotcom bubble when people were selling strraight air and memberlists
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
totally. robert - does this change your opinion of twitter and how they run their company? I know you've had strong opinions on that topic in the past....
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
no, I don't doubt that he has something to generate talk...
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
David: it's one of those things that I wish I had recorded, but it was Saturday night, we were having fun, and it wasn't quite the place.
- Robert Scoble
re up for sale - have you *ever* known a company to publicly state they *are* up for sale? of course not. it's not like people pay more for easy to get commodities, right?
- Jeremy Toeman
and cheap can go a long way too...don't get me wrong - it's just not a solid foundation
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I'm amused by @Ev's reaction to all the iran stuff.
- zzzz
@Scoble: Some things flow better when it is "off the record" Just glad you are sharing some nuggets here tonight.
- David Damore
Brian: anytime you meet someone face to face it changes what you feel about them. This is no different. It was interesting that I was praising Twitter when he introduced himself.
- Robert Scoble
I had no idea he was standing there when I was talking about how crappy CNN was in comparison to Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
that is a funny turn of events - unlikely - but the universe moves to further our best interests I think
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob: their uptime has gotten 100x better recently, though, even though their search is still struggling (he said they are focusing a lot of effort on search or, what he calls "discovery features.")
- Robert Scoble
Wow. That's cool, and I totally agree Robert. Nothing beats a good F2F conversation. Good to hear....
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
why would you compare CNN to twitter at all?
- Jeremy Toeman
It has Robert - I can tell from what I see while watching over PeopleBrowsr
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Jeremy: because of Iran. The biggest news story in the world today and CNN had some stupid motorcyle guys on instead of talking about it.
- Robert Scoble
Katie: Twitter was up in Iran. Friendfeed has been blocked there, from what I've been reading.
- Robert Scoble
But yes,...the search is laging 0 but uptime is IMO more critical in the moment
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Discovery.... Hummmmm. Sounds like a marketers dream.
- David Damore
for how long?? are they supposed to cover iran for 24 hours straight?? and the day I trust "the crowd" to give me semi-accurate news in 140 character chunks is the day ... well, I don't know what, but it's not a good day.
- Jeremy Toeman
Twitter is accessible because of all the ways you can get on it - friendfeed is just a website and easily blocked
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Other things I remember from the conversation: Tweetie was his favorite iPhone app. He said he doesn't really use desktop apps that much.
- Robert Scoble
Jeremy: I was watching CNN for hours this afternoon and THEY HAD NOTHING about Iran. Read all the "CNNFail" hashtag stuff.
- Robert Scoble
Robert did you get to talk to him any about auto-follow, and the way they use the system vs. the users?
- Jesse Stay
Jeremy: CNN was horrid today. And, yes, when a news story is affecting the middle east like this one was, they should cover it wall to wall.
- Robert Scoble
honestly I watched a lot of the Iran scene on FriendFeed and some choice blogs
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Jesse: except we were joking around about following and I told the story of when @god tapped me on the shoulder at a party and said "you are not following me." @ev answered "@god is following me." So, we all like to be followed, even @ev.
- Robert Scoble
Rob, twitter's more accessible in the sense of clients available to contact 'central', but it's not as if one service is decentralized and the other not.
- Micah
It was a very interesting night as I didn't even recognize @ev until he came up and said hello to @scobleizer, I was there with @rlux and @skawtnyc making s'mores when I started offering them to the other people at the fire ring as always do and @pud 's fiance took me up on it. Then had a great conversation with @pud about #ColdFusion and I gave @scobleizer a call as I figured he would...
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- Luke Kilpatrick
By the way, @ev bought our drinks tonight. Which was very nice.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert - ok, CNN did a bad job today - fine. I dont watch any televised news and haven't for quite some time. but again, how do you compare CNN to twitter? should i compare HBO to twitter too?
- Jeremy Toeman
Exactly Micah - that's why tweets were more readily available - but there were a few folks in Iran on Friendfeed
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Robert: are you closer to Twitter as a result? Chance meeting although it may be, sounds interesting.
- Nick Wade
Jeremy: CNN is supposed to cover the world's news. Today they didn't. If you watched CNN you would get that.
- Robert Scoble
Nick: you can't help but get closer to a company after spending three hours with its founder. I hope it leads to a building43 interview, to tell you the truth.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert: let me break it to you - CNN's business is selling ads, not delivering news. if it were about news, this country would be a much more well-informed place. they are not incented by "quality news", they are incented by "viewership", which is in turn incented by the appearance of news. but again, judging anyone by one day is, for lack of a better word, silly.
- Jeremy Toeman
I'd love to sit down for lunch or dinner with them some time. They're nice guys
- Jesse Stay
Jeremy: well, they at least have "news" in their name. I don't remember them saying "we're the cable advertising network." But, yes, I agree with your cynicism. I just wish we had better media here in the USA.
- Robert Scoble
Yes, I hear you. Ev and Sarah live up the street. Bump-into's are interesting in our 'hood sometimes, although I'm no Scoble. I think I'm in the majority in saying that a building43 segment would rock. My direct message of weds re Twitter still stands, very keen to know if one should stake a position there.
- Nick Wade
Jeremy: it's not the first time CNN has lost to the Twitter News Network.
- Robert Scoble
@robert now that's something we can agree on! :) gnite - gotta go finish reading Ender's Shadow.
- Jeremy Toeman
true, but i've also NOT seen CNN misreport Patrick Swayze's death...
- Jeremy Toeman
hmm I always wonder where the women are in these conversations? would we develop different apps if their voice was stronger? or tweeter then what you guys come up with?
- sherry reynolds
Rob: yes! I will be in NYC for the Twitter Conference by Jeff Pulver on Tuesday, then there also through Thursday evening.
- Robert Scoble
You see, if those guys were more transparent, its human nature, they'd have a lot more goodwill, and have YOU and LEO and others like yourselves talking more positively about them. It's like when Swisher came on that night. I came away with a positive feeling about her after she interacted
- Stephen Pickering
Awesome! Looking forward to it... will be there monday - till Would like to meet you while you're here :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Sherry: women were there, but they were up against several well known technologists. I found Ev's wife to be very interesting and smart and a female Twitter employee was there from Japan and she also was smart and interesting, but she didn't say much that would be interesting to the public. I did joke that she was responsible for all of Twitter's revenue and we both laughed about that. Or at least I did. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
On a lighter note, I was thinking of a question for @ev re. facebook usernames - never asked it; got side-tracked in identity humour: http://friendfeed.com/micahwi...
- Micah
Stephen: I think they aren't more transparent because they are simply over exposed by the media and every journalist in the world wants to touch them right now (Twitter is on the cover of Time Magazine). That leads to a weird view of them.
- Robert Scoble
Yeah, your right, but its like that video you had of Zuckerberg. Just him sitting and talking with you and Arrington a couple weeks before gave me such positive impression
- Stephen Pickering
Leads to a weird view of your own self with that much publicity too I'd imagine
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Stephen: yeah, that's the problem if you choose to only speak to big news outlets. They never will post your entire conversation and even if they did it would be a pretty unnatural conversation.
- Robert Scoble
Sherry: @rlux is female and was very engaged in the conversation. She is the Community Manager for Adobe's User Group programs. Also @yukarim who is part of twitter's japan effort was also there and engaged as well. It was a pretty balanced night as far as male - female ratio. It was just as Robert said, they were up against several well known technologists.
- Luke Kilpatrick
Rob: yeah. If there's one view of Ev that changed tonight it's how he is handling being at the center of a cultural/media/celebrity storm. Definitely is handling it better than I am. He talked very eloquently about why companies sell (he says he might write up a blog post about that) and why Twitter isn't going to sell. He says they are "optimistic." That's putting it about right.
- Robert Scoble
Hats off to him if he can pull it off. If they can get the stability together I think they could do so...
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Luke is right. Unfortunately when I choose to relay the evening's events I'm passing along mostly @ev's thoughts. Why? He is the man of the hour. It's not every day you get to have drinks with an entrepreneur the week that they are on the cover of Time Magazine. I know that's what people will be interested in hearing about, not about what my niece told me at her graduation today.
- Robert Scoble
It's like Joseph Campbell said, "Life is is in the top flight" It's not like you think your bigger than everyone else, but when you catch a wave, you might as well ride it and have a heck of a time
- Stephen Pickering
The real problem with this industry is more women don't start companies and don't get into positions of high branding. There are a few, and I would love to have conversations with them, too. Like Nina Bianchini of Ning. On Building43 you saw several women who had a lot to say. More to come in future!
- Robert Scoble
Robert: if your niece had mentioned that she'd bumped into Ev and gotten bladdered with him, we'd all be super-interested. We're all happy about building43 from what I'm seeing. Looking fwd to more. P.S. congrats your niece!
- Nick Wade
Let's hope so! The balance is needed in the whole business.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Right, everyone can be successful. The more everyone is successful the more we all win
- Stephen Pickering
This is where I disagree with Arrington a bit, but I have to admit history is on Arrington's side about there being usually one winner
- Stephen Pickering
At least in this space, if there is one winner, its earned and not done (usually) with shananigans or an unearned monopoly
- Stephen Pickering
the real-time web is where the breaking news is.. whether its a chance meeting with @ev or what is happening on the ground in Iran. Its changing everything. Robert great interview with Kelly Nelson!
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
Peter, I agree. In this space, its totally interesting an revolutionary. I just wish it would spread to other spaces I'm interested in like the Arts. Places like that are still behind such "silos"
- Stephen Pickering
Anyone else get the irony here - that Robert's sharing this Twitter info here on FriendFeed? :-)
- Jim Connolly
Yes, but where else can you have an IM like all inclusive real time conversation?
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen I think its just a matter of time... interesting this was something that was touched on in the interview with Kelly Nelson the walls are coming down
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
Yes, I watched that video, and all the Building43 videos and was very impressed
- Stephen Pickering
Sherry, I'm @rlux and we ladies were definitely there & engaged -- I actually got into a whole conversation with @ev about WebSitePro and ColdFusion of all things. A good time was had by all.
- Rachel Luxemburg
Stephen: Exactly - Twitter's limitations mean that the conversation had to be done here. Yet, Twitter gets all the traction / media buzz and FriendFeed doesn't. The world is (officially) nuts!! :)
- Jim Connolly
Glad you could make it Rachel :) Thanks for stopping in here!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
My personal opinion is that in the next year FriendFeed is going to be a force to be reckoned with. I almost feel it will take over Twitter's space.
- Stephen Pickering
I almost feel that FF is to Twitter as Facebook was to Myspace circa 2006
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: I hope so. That said, I have seen my subscriber numbers here grow a lot recently, suggesting there's a lot more users joining.
- Jim Connolly
Just checked and I now have over 1000 FriendFeed subscribers - that's amazing!
- Jim Connolly
Mine too, and unlike Twitter, I haven't been actively trying to get subscribers. That said, Ev is smart by not chasing advertising. It'll give Twitter more legs and credibility. So he's a lot smarter than the Myspace folks were
- Stephen Pickering
I think ads could hurt Twitter, but not as much as making users pay for an account. Making them pay (which is the last model I heard Ev mention), would cut user numbers by 80% - losing Twitter it's reach.
- Jim Connolly
they keep saying over and over that's not a primary interest (they don't hate them, but they aren't interested)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Oh yeah, a sub model, no way. You're right. I guess I'm thinking of the flashy banner ads. Definitely search ads will play the major part
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - As you can see in the photo, Hershey Chocolate bars, Honey Maid Graham Crackers and a well toasted marshmallow. Extremely tasty and one of the best things to make on a campfire.
- Luke Kilpatrick
But even if Rob wasn't subscribed to me, he should still "see" me right? Unless heaven forbid, he BLOCKED me! :)
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: I'm guessing it was a database error. Who's gonna block you? No one.
- Jim Connolly
FF said I had you blocked, but your stream shows no reason why I would have done so (and I don't remember you - and I remember pretty much anyone I block. I don't take it lightly!)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob: Plus, when you block on Twitter, they still show up in searches. Twitter's so limited.
- Jim Connolly
Rob, no offense taken, I might have said something stupid in the past. I might have deserved to be BLOCKED for one reason or another, but no I'm not a spammer and hope not a troll!
- Stephen Pickering
It's possible, but i usually remember a face ;) So, sorry if I did it, but I think it's an error. Back to the smores!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Name dropping! Ask him about verified accounts.
- Benjamin Taylor
Or you could ask him how he is reacting to the fact that his service is now the go-to for breaking news in Iran. A historic day for them. But I'm sure asking about spam updates is important too. Geesh!
- Mike
@ev must be marveling over the responses Robert is getting on FriendFeed over this!
- Michael Forian
Tell him sorry I couldn't be there this time
- Jesse Stay
We are at the Ritz firering and I was talking with my friend Luke about how Twitter is kicking ass over CNN and Ev said "what about Twitter?" I am trying to figure out how to give him shit about suggested followers. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm curious as to what he thinks about Google's microblogging search
- Shawn Farner
Will you not stoop to any level Robert? lol! I would love to know about long term platform/architecture stability if you guys are still hanging out.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
:-) You should teach him how to do searches on FF so he can really see what people are saying about Twitter. I should get me one of those Palm Pres -when I saw one jailbroken the other day with a "modprobe" line I was hooked
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
guruvan, you should have supplied a few sample ff-searchpaths right here, so Scoble wouldn't have to bother beyond clicking while @ev stirs at the outflow mouth agape.
- ianf ⌘
ianf: was the tail end of the conversation - not enough time (but you're right) -it's pretty late here in NY too.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Robert: Back in the 1970's, when he was living in London, Arnie (The Governator) - Visited the gym where I boxed. I was about 10 and he said "This kids gonna go a long way - he's got an attitude!"
- Jim Connolly
Ouriel: it was very surreal because Twitter is on the cover of Time Magazine, is the hottest thing on the Internet right now, totally kicked CNN's behind yesterday in Iranian coverage, and @ev just pops up in my life unexpectedly.
- Robert Scoble
I'm a bit surprise it's surreal for you Scoble. I think it's awesome and probably exciting, but not so far from reality you lives in.
- Orli Yakuel
Orli: my life is surreal often, but I wasn't expecting to run into @ev in my backyard tonight. At least not at this moment in time. I think yesterday will be remembered as an important day on Twitter for a very long time. CNN is off the rails.
- Robert Scoble
I guess this whole twitter experience is surreal for @ev too :)
- Orli Yakuel
Orli: plus, I have been pretty damn critical of Twitter lately, which made our chance meeting even stranger and just a bit uncomfortable. Which added to the experience.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: it's not that @ev is a complete stranger to the spam festival in his service, so I guess he has some sort of understanding to the critics around.
- Nir Ben Yona
Doubly surreal for those of us with lower profiles, Robert. :) But in a good way.
- Rachel Luxemburg
Rachel: nice meeting you too, yeah, it is not an evening I will soon forget. Yesterday was the day that Twitter kicked CNN's behind. Bigtime.
- Robert Scoble
isn't it pretty typical to reach excess before you find balance? netbooks evolved from bigger tech. with time they can retain their simplicity and power. hopefully :)
- Derek Chilcoat
Respectfully, I have to disagree. These things are barely usable today. Maybe, if all you want to do is email and browse the web, then, yeah, they are fine. But, to do real work and more, you need a real computer, not these crippled and stripped down things with smallish keyboards and tiny screens. If I want that, I'll use my Pre instead.
- George Gray
what's needed now is refinement and i see that best coming from apple, but also from open source - it's easier for apple since they're closed but the open source route is the ideal (imho) - MS has definitely been left in the dust, but we'll see how win7 does over the next couple years ... but refinement in the UI/UX and overall OS areas are what is most needed now, not performance enhancements - totally agree dave
- Chris Heath
There are 6 billion people on the planet and most of them aren't like us and for most of them what a netbook does is just right and the cost is just right too. That's why there's so much pressure on these companies. They had everyone snookered into thinking you couldn't make a good-enough computer for $500, well it turns out you can make one for $250. For most people a Honda Civic is plenty of car. The netbooks are that kind of computer.
- Dave Winer
I'm not quite sure whether to agree or disagree with Dave. Netbooks aren't particularly good for 3D gaming, and I'm not aware how good they are for watching movies. I think it would be safest to say that if netbooks are not all that *most* of us need, they are just slightly below that.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
Rishabh, what kind of processor do you think is in a dvd player? movies are fine on netbooks (if you can get a dvd drive) - and what percentage of the laptop market is 3d gamers?
- Chris Heath
Huh...I'm not sure Dave comes from, but most families I know need more than a Honda Civic. Try stuffing two adults and kids into a Civic. Doesn't work. I want more than a 'good-enough' computer. My laptop has a 17 inch screen that I can use for than a few minutes. It has a real keyboard that won't cramp my hands after a few minutes use. Where I do agree, though, is that a 'netbook' is...
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- George Gray
Chris: About the DVD players, good point. I didn't think of it that way. About the gaming, I think that many younger computer users most likely would engage in some 3D gaming on their laptop.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
MS may have lost share but they're still close to 90%. Fact is most of 6B don't have fast internet so SAS is meaningless and main reason, imho, that MS isn't losing share faster is b/c it's not the PC its the software. I have 1/2 apps that I can't economically replace with Open Source or web based that's why I'm still on PC plus who has the time to master 1/2 dozen learning curves?
- Tom Gray
You're right Dave, Netbooks are like the Honda Civic, only from 1973. They had a 3-cylinder engine and were a basic 2-seater that got you from point A to point B. Netbooks basically do the same thing but they aren't for everybody, kind of like the original Civic. Great cars though, and ran forever. http://tr.im/nRsK
- Perry Cortell
Disagree. I have a netbook and I like it quite a lot but it's not a daily driver by any stretch of the imagination.
- Rachel Luxemburg
Dave, I'm curious about this. I'm not a netbook user though would like one. How is that all we need? What about our mobile phones? I'm certainly not saying we necessarily need a macbook pro, but as a podcaster of a fairly well listened to series, I think I need more than a netbook offers. Can you explain what you mean so I can better understand? Thank you.
- Sheryl
Apple cannot refine a product it chooses not to sell. The netbook is the child of SE Asia, not the US, and look at their push into imac style all-in-ones. Maybe they are farther along the form factor and usage model than given credit.
- Hayes Haugen
After a really tough day at least I have a new Apple toy to look at Twitter and friendfeed on (new 24 inch monitor). You'll see it tomorrow morning in my video review.
I can't believe Apple didn't call you a tow truck...
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: actually Apple sort of did! (My iPhone was a lot more helpful than Toyota people). And the Apple store inside the mall kept me somewhat sane.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe Apple should build cars. They could buy Tesla maybe.
- Ken Sheppardson
If you haven't finished off that bottle of tequila with our German friends on Friday, I recommend pouring yourself a nice stiff one.
- Luke Kilpatrick
Luke: I need to do some blog posts tonight. Not good on Tequila. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Victor: not yet. But it's dark in my room. Will see how it works in morning when sun comes up.
- Robert Scoble
Can you imagine getting AppleCare for your Apple-made car? Just drive it up to an Apple Genius, they'll sync your car's info and replace your iCar for free with all your data intact.
- Glenn Batuyong
Sorry you had a crappy day. Seriously, sign up for AAA. It is absolutely worth it.
- Rachel Luxemburg
Rachel: we already had AAA but Maryam let it lapse. We restarted it.
- Robert Scoble
Is the new 24inch monitor HDCP compatible? I have a old NEC monitor that I love, but I can't play the HD Battlestar Galatica episodes I downloaded from iTunes :(
- craterdweller
congrats on the new monitor! I bet it looks a lot better than my PC's 24" monitor.
- Salvatore Iozzia