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Who has a jailbroken iphone? Ay or nay?

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me. for almost 2 years now. - vijay

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No - Glen Mistletoe

say I. jailbreaking makes sense. check out 5-row keyboard on cydia - Joe Breen from twhirl

me, I love SBSettings and Cycorder, hard to imagine giving them up - Richard Goodwin from twhirl

Yup. Since it was available for the 3G. - Simon Wicks

no, since the iPhone became an official in Russia - Лучше не знать

Nay. - Christopher Harley

I have a jailbroken iPhone. - Joey Gibson

i'm using 2G and 3G iPhone's and both are jailbroken - Batu

Ay! - Joshua Schnell

But of course! 2G Jailbroken and a 3G Jailbroken/unlocked for T-Mobile US - Walt Ruppar

I'm jailbroken & unlocked. LOVE the jailbroken apps. SwirlyMMS, Cycorder, dTunes, SBSettings and the rest ;) - Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕ from BuddyFeed

Had it jailbroken, haven't since I've replaced it twice. - Mike Nayyar

nay - TheHenry

yes and i haven't had a problem at all. in fact, i think the reception improved slightly - Cee Bee

I've thought about it but have never done it. I don't like the idea of having to completely rebuild my phone experience every time a new iPhoneOS version comes out. - Akiva Moskovitz

Nay. I don't have the time to deal with jailbreaking and patching. - Bill Sodeman

me - johnpiercy

ME!!!!!! - Mendy miller from BuddyFeed

Yes sir, jailbroken is the only way to go. Backgrounder and Qik are worth it alone. - Nathan Chase

@Akiva - you don't - there's an app called AptBackup that will backup all the apps you download, themes, etc. and whenever you upgrade to the new firmware, you redownload AptBackup, hit Restore, and all your apps are redownloaded, and all your apps and settings are restored. It's fantastic. - Nathan Chase

Woah, I hadn't heard of that. A may have to do this now. Damn you, Nathan Chase!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Akiva Moskovitz

@Akiva - haha... now don't get Steven Perez angry by usurping his catch phrase - Nathan Chase

Nope - Roberto Bonini

Aye, still 1.4.0 as IMEI is broken too :) - Yunus Tunak

No way. I want it to keep working. - Clay Newton

I want to, because I want video. But I keep hoping Apple will let a video app in the app store soon. Maybe I'll wait until my warranty is out anyway and then jailbreak. - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF

I have for using Qik, Clippy and Chinese Input method (not handwriting input). Now xGPS as well. - Raman Ng

Nay... though I did have a jailbroken 2G - Carlos Granier-Phelps

Aye, using JB 2G with 2.1 firmware since Feb 08. - Ekin Arabacioglu

Nay... I'm too chicken. I would be the one guy who bricks it. - David Connell

just got it done yesterday at mass jailbreak session at 360 iDev conference. Nothing like having Chris Hughes break my phone.. Heard that Saurik has compiled his iphone app on the iphone! I totally want VNC server to demo the phone on the mac. - Dave Orchard

Nay. - Kevin Pedraja

Yay! There are some excellent pieces of software. Qik and xGPS to name a few. - Brandon Titus

I now do. - Amani

And now I also jailbroke my 3G so I could do Qik videos on it. - Carlos Granier-Phelps

does anyone know an app to edit videos? - Amani from IM

Ay, right after Apple banned Google Voice. - Kevin Whalen from iPhone

Jailbroken = currently yes. Thought I would leave the 3GS stock, but couldn't resist at least dabbling. - Patrick Jordan

qik via iphone is superb - Franz Sittampalam

For discussion on jailbreaking, Ive opened The Jailbreak Room. - Michel

About to finally jailbreak an OS3.0 3G (not the 3GS), but I've been jailbreakin' since it was uphc'ing... ;-p oh and to add... I don't really feel the need with the 3GS now that I have native video, although I do miss sbSettings and those quick toggles and with no VoiceCentral/gVoice it could be a possibility... - Walt Ruppar from iPhone

Robert Scoble

How to deal with MobFeed and mobs (the tools http://twitter.com/arrington needs): - http://ourdoings.com/roberts...

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Every morning Maryam and her mom go through their Basmati rice and remove bad grains because the quality of rice has gone down recently (prices recently doubled due to a drought in India so the rice producers are shipping more crappy rice along). Anyway, this made me think of the mobs. There are lots of tools to deal with them, just like Maryam is dealing with her bad rice problem: - Robert Scoble

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1. Start a private room(er group). That is like the pile of rice with the bad ones removed. Maryam "invites" good rice into her room. - Robert Scoble

2. Block jerks who call names. That is what Maryam does when she throws bad rice into the trash. They -- unlike on Twitter -- even are removed from your search results. Blocking also removes YOUR account from THEIR view so they no longer can attack you. - Robert Scoble

3. Remove comments that exhibit mob behavior. Unly the person who starts a thread can do this on FriendFeed but this is much like a blog. Arrington removed one of my comments on TechCrunch today, for instance. - Robert Scoble

4. Don't cause mobs to form in the first place. Mobs get excited when people in leadership positions attack entire countries and entire user bases of social networking tools. - Robert Scoble

5. Use a higher form of media. If you respond to a Tweet storm with video, for instance, or to a video with a community roundtable where everyone can show up for a discussion you will appear more human and you will slow down the mob. - Robert Scoble

6.You never stop a mob by arguing with it. Instead, join the mob, move to the front, and slowly guide it to your position. That requires humility and work, though. - Robert Scoble

7. Call on your friends to be better. Attack them if you see them calling the other side names. - Robert Scoble

Any other ideas? - Robert Scoble

8. Stop taking things so seriously. It's just text on the screen. - Cristo

9. Stop buying into your friends' persecution complexes and paranoid delusions. Pay attention to your wife and come back to Planet Earth. - Karim

10. Stop equating critical remarks on a web page with having the shit physically beat out of you by a real mob of real people in the real world. - Karim

if the mob had numbers then wudnt it be harder for him to click those little checkboxs to delete the comments? - Paul Rawlings

Arrington said I was inciting the loonies. http://twitter.com/arrington The funny thing is there are at least 139% more loonies on Twitter than on FriendFeed. Provably so, too. They all have a hashtag. - Robert Scoble

Paul: I can delete all comments here very quickly. Here, I'll delete all the off topic comments here. - Robert Scoble

I just deleted nine comments and it took a few seconds. - Robert Scoble

Robert i love your style and commend you. - Paul Rawlings

Can someone post this item over on Arrington's post? He's moderating my comments now. :-) - Robert Scoble

Robert ,when u r not present no one can control your post comments and there is no control at all,,, the community should have some better tools ,,, - Johni Fisher

Johni: that is why I put my phone number on my blog and here so you can call and tell me a mob is out of control on my behalf: +1-425-205-1921 - Robert Scoble

Thats u Robert .... and the rest ? - Johni Fisher

Johni: if you see a mob getting out of control you can use many of the other techniques. Block those who participate and let them know. That will at least punish them for their behavior. - Robert Scoble

Johni: or join the mob, move to the front, and then start guiding them away from their target. That takes thought leadership and work, though. Not always easy. - Robert Scoble

Respect to you, Mr. Scoble, for using the pen like a sword, and honoring the power of words at the same time. - Dan Douglass from Nambu

Doing that I will not see them but they will be there for the rest ,,,we can add an abuse function as u can report spam u should report bad comments ,,,maybe I am old fashion but I am sure that we could do better - Johni Fisher

Johni: if we want the world to change first WE must change. Do you go and read racist materials? I don't. If people are jerks why not delete them from your inflow and keep them from engaging with you? That's how you change the world and signal to everyone that that behavior is not acceptable. - Robert Scoble

Robert I agree that we should be the first to delete them but the community that we are part of must know that these users are as bad as they are ...I dont think that its so bad that some one will be out from our community and not just be away from my stream - Johni Fisher

speaking of racist materials, Robert, did Arrington ever conclude that the TechNigga videos were racist? or does he still have his head up Loren Feldman's ass? - Karim

Wait. Drought in India? Huh? When? - Yuvi

Robert, I agree completely. Calling MA a douche or whatever doesn't help one bit. We need to to call him out on what he said, not what we think he is. You know him, better than most of us, so you have an insight into Michael Arrington. The rest of us need to just take a chill pill and if we feel strongly on what he wrote tell him. Other people who know should worry about him as a... more... - Rasmus Lauridsen

Yuvi: that's what she heard. I don't know if it's true but the quality of rice from India has gone way down recently. - Robert Scoble

Guess I need to go over and retract some of my post since I see now that it wasn't justified some of the stuff I wrote. so BRB :-) - Rasmus Lauridsen

:-) - Johni Fisher

Karim: I don't know what Arrington and Feldman's relationship is at the moment. They used to be friends, though, and, yes, it was an example of Arrington pushing a mob for his own business interests. - Robert Scoble

"pushing a mob for his own business interests?" two questions. 1) is that what the kids call it these days? 2) aren't you assisting him with this in this thread? - Karim

Karim: 1. Heh. 2. probably but if I worried about who I was helping I would just stay off the Internet. In general I try to be helpful rather than hurtful. Even against people who have been hurtful to me in the past. - Robert Scoble

Yuvi: have a look at this http://bit.ly/B72RI . There is an issue of drought going on right now - Kashif Khan

Robert: reference to bad rice :) i heard that they automated the process and dont pick it by hand anymore. apparently they use machines. maybe this is why the rice doesnt taste as good. Simply the machinery and the farming methods have had an impact on the quality of the rice. - Paul Rawlings

Paul: that's possible. Whatever is going on with the rice supply it has several kernels that are dark and ruin the coloring of food (my motherinlaw says those are caused by worms inside the rice kernel). - Robert Scoble

I'd also suggest stop feeding the trolls, Robert. Being helpful is one thing, linking back to Arrington continually is another. Just stop linking; you can talk about him, but links are assertions of authority, relevance, and value. Take that away. You can give him advice on tools w/o also giving him linklove. *grin* - Ken Kennedy

Robert, who, exactly, is it helping to buy into his hyperbole about "mobs" being syphilis or cancer or swine flu? i see how it helps "his own business interests," but i'm not sure why you feel a need to be an enabler. - Karim

Robert: i can simply say that your mother in law is a very wise woman. damn those worms. lets hit the root of the problem and increase the number of birds so that the worms will be plucked from the soil before entering the rice and hopefully leading to a better quality rice. - Paul Rawlings

Robert , should we get the FF founders opinion ? - Johni Fisher

Ken: good point. Karim: I fall for link bait just as often as the next guy. I'm a sucker! :-) - Robert Scoble

Clark: that's my intent, yes. And TechCrunch is relevant and influential. Even if we say it isn't. - Robert Scoble

Robert: if you do talk to friendfeed, tell them to put a comment button on the bottom of the comment stream. pain in the arse scrolling to the top. i am lazy, and proud of it :) - Paul Rawlings

agree with you Paul, lets start a mob for getting the comment button under the comment stream. *Grabs pitchfork* Finally a worthy cause :-P - Rasmus Lauridsen

Paul you can use this link and u can comment with no scrolling http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... - Johni Fisher

I think the call to calm down and think before you post and the other ones you gave are very good and timely, Robert, and I hope they help. The link-bait-incitement article that prompted it I haven't read and neither will I. I have grown weary with people stirring things up just to get attention. - WorldofHiglet

Paul click twice on the time stamp to get a window with just that. - Robert Scoble

U c paul :-) just for u - Johni Fisher

timestamp. wheres that. i see the bubble icon. come on guys. help me out. i dont want no scrolling action now. - Paul Rawlings

uhhh didn't know that little trick, thank you Robert very helpful. - Rasmus Lauridsen

Where it says 1 hour ago.. - Rasmus Lauridsen

Clark, it's like "professional" wrestling. fixed outcomes, mock combat, web 2.0 version of a carny sideshow. "SEE Stone Cold Leo Laporte blow his top! SEE Arrington call Scoble a mob instigator!" fake punches and elastic floors and people shouting STFU one week, only to kiss and make up the next. i'm just disappointed to see Scoble participating. - Karim

@Clark @Robert the fact that TC is linked anyway makes no difference, IMO. If you don't change how you act, don't be surprised when things don't change. It's the voting analogy -- "my vote isn't enough to make a difference". Hardly. Votes are what makes the difference. I don't cast my vote for a popular politician just because I know "he'll get plenty of votes anyway". Even if he wins, I don't have to support it. And linking is even more important, b/c it's public. It's YOUR assertion of influence. - Ken Kennedy

:: sigh :: When people fight on the internet, both sides lose. Internet mobs are just people who never got past the middle school clique thing or the high school "live and breathe drama" thing. Their immaturity is obvious and they are a bore to everyone except themselves. - Miss Elle

Miss Elle: when you rely on page views for your business model (I don't) then you quickly learn that using these techniques gets you major page views. You might be above it all but most humans aren't. - Robert Scoble

Robert - thank you for posting your list of how to deal with MobFeed and mobs - this is the type of service that is a benefit to the Internet community - Kathleen Forden

Well put, Robert. Appreciate your thoughts as always. - Bill Kinney

Late to the thread, but as far as "front of the mob" is concerned I'd go and watch "Milk" again and see how he manages to use mobs to his advantage. (full disclosure: the subject of the film was a cousin on my father's side). On a less serious note -- I'm interested in how to determine which grains of basmati are 'bad.' I thought all were equally delicious...especially with saffron... - Andrew Feinberg

Andrew: the bad ones have a dirty look. Blackened on one side. - Robert Scoble

Ah! The things I can learn from FriendFeed. (shocking that I own -- and use -- a rice cooker, no?) - Andrew Feinberg

IMHO, online mobs are nothing new. While they're not exactly analogous to flamewars, maybe there's something to be gleaned from what Shirky wrote about the latter: http://www.shirky.com/writing... - Ryan McCormack

Logic surrenders. - Mark Davidson from BuddyFeed

Funny someone mentioned wrestling above. Sort of reminds me of the kayfabe plotlines on WWE. Gotta admit the commentary's getting interesting. So, Robert, how do you outdo an article comparing syphillus and Friendfeed? - George Hall (Australia)

Actually I'll answer my own question. One could write an article comparing Twitter to pelvic inflamatory disease...which it sort of seems like when you get a day or two of spam bots anyway. - George Hall (Australia)

Hey, anyone want to see Robert versus Arrington on Raw or Smackdown? - George Hall (Australia)

What Cristo said (point 8) - Kevin J Hatton

Robert Scoble

Louis Gray tells us the guy who coded the very cool http://BillieTweets.com is:

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Mike Demers, Louis says: "Mike Demers is a fantastic coder. He did http://www.blamedrewscancer.com, http://veetweet.com/ and http://www.tweetbricks.com as well." - Robert Scoble

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You can find Mike here: http://friendfeed.com/mikedem... - Robert Scoble

Fantastic coder, Fantastic mind, Fantastic friend, and a Hodgkins survivor. 1 year and he's clear. Got the word on Friday. Total Rockstar and I'd be lost without him. - drew olanoff

What a cool tribute! http://billietweets.com/ - Julio F ~ @SocialJulio

Am I missing something? I only get a page with links to MJ albums on Amazon which the creator receives fees for? - Gerard van Schip

Gerard: if that is all you see you haven't played the video yet. - Robert Scoble

Thanks for all the kind words guys! - Mike Demers

Definitely the coolest tribute I've seen so far ... and possibly it's gonna stay that way! - Rene Wirtz

Anthony Citrano

Flickr Founder Calls Nuked User 'A Dick' | Gawker - http://gawker.com/5288759...

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Look, I think flickR should be able to control their network and its content however they wish. But this policy is ridiculous and evil (wiping out all user data and not letting them get it back) and they deserve all the negative press that comes with it, especially when they act like dismissive assholes. - Anthony Citrano from Bookmarklet

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Is he the guy that wrote that hilarious exit letter re: silver mining? - anna sauce

Same dude anna. - vijay

god, I love Stuart (finally read post) nice way to stand behind your colleague. - anna sauce

exactly. : ) Title is misleading. - vijay

I'm not a fan of Flickr but it's hard for me to summon any outrage on behalf of that dick. - Chester

Check this out.. last line from Johnson- "Ask Heather to fill you in". lol! Credit to Stewart for showing the level of restraint he did. - vijay

flickr is a great service but their terms of use and the ways they enforce them makes them much bigger dicks than any justifiably irate user. And I am not trying to compliment them. But it's typical corporate internet arrogance. - Rick Powell

What a great chance to respond to a CR issue without having to represent the company admirably... given a chance to say what he actually felt, I think Stewart's response was maybe not totally called for, but totally funny and he has the right. Way to back up your former peeps too. - SAM

Well, whatever. I think Stewart is a dick, but far fewer people will read that than have read and will read his e-mail and will make their own minds up. - Rick Powell

So, if somebody emailed me to ask me to mediate a problem they were having with my former employer, I suspect that my response would both be ruder and shorter. - Wirehead

I completely agree Anthony, it is unbelievable and I have a Pro account :-| - Luca Conti

@Wirehead Well, in that case, you, just like Stewart, would be going out of your way to be a dick yourself. All he really needed to write was the first sentence, or not respond at all. But flickr's policy of deleting a user's photos without warning and without appeal, pretty much sums up corporate assholism for me. - Rick Powell

My capital rules of staying on the internet: 1. be nice. 2. if you can't be nice, be civil. 3. if you can't be civil, be offline. They served me well in the last 15 years. (and - honestly - I trust Heather's judgement in managing communities a wee bit more than a random guy trolling comment threads, being nuked from existence and throwing a tantrum about it) - dario

There is usually little difference between a nice person enforcing bad corporate policy and a bad person doing it, except for the style in which it's done. Apologies to "Heather," I'm sure, since I don't know her personally. [insert eye rolls here.] - Rick Powell

this is why i stopped using flikr. They dont CARE. - Jim Hague

As somebody who manages online communities for a living, I'm going to have to say that the response here was probably the right one (granted I haven't seen the original threads, and he could have afforded to be a little more civil with his language). Trolls live for this shit. And most of them are dicks. - mike fabio

Troll is a dismissive word, used ubiquitously and uncritically. It's been MY experience that while there are genuine trolls, the word is not infrequently used to dismiss someone who brings up an uncomfortable political issue. No excuse for being a dick, of course. - Rick Powell

What concerns me in this issue is that if someone at Yahoo decides that they disagree with something I said or the way I said it, they are willing to completely remove my account. It makes me distrustful of the cloud as a place to store my data. With that said, Yahoo was perfectly within their rights to make this move. It just seems like they don't care to engender confidence in the integrity of the data on their servers. - Scott Ohlemacher

I have wondered if flickr so easily deletes paying customers photos because they have never provided an easy way for anyone to download all of their collection once it's in the cloud. I guess they think, why would anyone want to do that? - Rick Powell

@Rick Powell: You're right that there is no excuse for being a dick, but dickery is subjective. - Scott Ohlemacher

And I think deleting a paying customer's photos, even if he violated terms of service, and not the law, for instance, is simply bad corporate policy. That is really being a dick, in my opinion. - Rick Powell

Amen, Rick, Amen. Perhaps the real issue was that flickr was afraid of losing the White House photostream? - Scott Ohlemacher

Wow, just wow. Just goes to show you that money (or talent for that matter) and class don't always go hand in hand. - Alex Scoble

Finally Flickr's actions as Judge, Jury and Executioner in deleting unwanted members is getting some mainstream coverage due to the political angle. Even if some disagree whether it was the correct forum to air his grievances on the WH's detainee photo policy, it appears to have been measured and civil. Certainly not grounds for a non-appealable deletion. So exactly how does Flickr safeguard our photos (i.e. backups), if deleted members cannot be retrieved? Cloud-computing, or merely dust? - Nils Sandin

Yeah- seems like a draconian move by Yahoo. - anna sauce

another Community Manager from a different site chiming in... Flickr was totally within their rights to toast this guy *and* his account. The TOS on any site is not just an agreement between a single user and the company with regard to their own content, but also between the community at large and the company that OTHER users will be subjected to the TOS. This guy was spamming and... more... - Edubya

Spam? What exactly was he selling? If I read the accounts right, every American needs to have those pictures shoved under their noses until they wake the frak up. Really, the vagueness in rhetoric that everyone just accepts here is amazing. They were pictures of torture. It was a political protest. Yahoo was certainly within their "rights," although the idea of assigning rights to a corporation makes me queasy, but that doesn't mean I think the world is better off because Yahoo gets to do what it wants. - Rick Powell

@Edubya They have a right and obligation to uphold their TOS. However, asymmetrical responses like this are not a good way to keep up a good image. - Scott Ohlemacher

Yeah, this definitely falls under the definition of protected speech in my opinion. Yahoo isn't looking good over this. - Alex Scoble

"protected speech"? I don't think the constitution said you were guaranteed the right be able to post on flickr. The constitution doesn't mean everyone has to put up with your shit. A political protest in flickr comments is a pretty lazy freedom fighter anyway. That said, wiping out a paying customers stored images without a warning is really messed up, and it seems like they do that quite frequently. - Richard Lawler

It may not be constitutionally protected speech in this context, but in another it would be. That should at least make Yahoo pause and handle the situation carefully and diplomatically just to avoid the backlash. - Scott Ohlemacher

The constitution says that political speech is protected. It doesn't specify forum. - Alex Scoble

I think that Anthony's first comment here sums up the situation admirably. Flickr did something legal that was morally ambiguous. - Scott Ohlemacher

Just because speech is protect by the constitution doesn't mean that a private service has to allow unfettered expression of it. - Kevin Pedraja

No, it's not protected speech but it just points out why we can't trust corporations with our data, with anything. They don't give a shit and they don't have to. - Rick Powell

Ah, I love it when people speak up to defend the rights of corporations! Give them exemptions to all moral obligations! So encouraging for our democracy. Whether or not they have the legal right is irrelevant if we are talking about ethics. This is, however, the kind of culture we have. - Rick Powell

A rule against spamming comments != a law prohibiting free speech. How is a corporation morally obligated to put up with spammers, no matter what the content is they're spamming? - Richard Lawler

This may not hold up to scrutiny, but as a publicly traded company reliant on their image to maintain a user base and therefore profits, don't they have an obligation to shareholders to handle situations like this in the most diplomatic way possible? - Scott Ohlemacher

Sometimes the truth hurts and hearing it from someone you hope will help you hurts even more. I've seen Johnson's trolling and he deserved this treatment, plain and simple. - Rene Wirtz

Corporations are not morally obligated to do anything. That's the point. That is why they cannot be trusted. Further, I didn't make that equivalency between spam and free speech. You did. Not to mention which the word "spam" is debatable in this case, not least because corporate policies disdain politics, by default, a position which, of course, always favors the powerful. - Rick Powell

debating whether this is a free speech issue or not is moot. Flickr (or pretty much anywhere else different from your own site) is private property, they have community guidelines which are designed for "the greater good" (which translates nicely to: having the largest number of satisfied users/customers possible). Flickr community guidelines basically boil down to "Behave. If you don't, it may very well be one strike, you're out". - dario

Rick, not to defend Flickr because I think they've handled this poorly (from a PR point of view if nothing else). But if you sign up to use a service and agree to the TOS, you are voluntarily agreeing to a certain code of conduct. If you violate the TOS, you are subject to the penalties of doing so. Johnson is free to take his protest to another venue. That said, Flickr could be a bit more accommodating and give the guy his images back. - Kevin Pedraja

and yes, losing your stuff sucks bad, and yes, they probably should implement some sort of "pre-ban" which lets you download your content back on - say - a two weeks notice before the termination of your account. - dario

Is it an appropriate solution for us to "vote with our eyeballs" and boycott the service until they change some of these policies in a public way? - Scott Ohlemacher

Peeps, the First Amendment protects you against government action. You have no constitutional right to a flickR account. There's a difference between saying "flickR sucks for doing this" and "flickR has no right to do this." They certainly do have a right to do it, and I have a right to think they're assholes because of it. But I guess that's what I said initially (sorry.) - Anthony Citrano

@Kevin Have you read the TOS lately? Do you know what NIPSA means? I certainly don't know, after reading it a dozen times. Their TOS is not as arcane, opaque and just plain retarded as ebay's, which must set some sort of record in the history of incomprehensible corporate jargon, but it's not exactly transparent. I think they can ban me if they want. But after accepting my money and... more... - Rick Powell

also, on the "morally reprehensible" issue: this has nothing to do with ethics. Turning over your users' personal data to the chinese government IS unethical, and still, as a publicly shared company, you have to answer to your shareholders first, which might -or might not- be interested in your moral high ground - dario

@dario What you described is why, in my youth, I believed in economic democracy, which, I think, only the Zapatistas actually advocate now. - Rick Powell

I think you people are confusing how the flickr software is presently implemented with an arbitrary policy decision. This is common with people who don't know what they are talking about but like to sound like they do. I twittered this on Tuesday... unless you've actually hacked big software that runs on large server farms, STFU about how you'd change how a large website that runs on large server farms would work. - Wirehead

Oh, I love that one! Technological barriers, the last refuge of the nihilist. Give me a frakin break. This thread has seen it all, right? First-name dropping, specious arguments about the rights of corporations, equating speech with spam, and now claiming the high ground for those who "have hacked big software." I believe I'll have another beer and thank the gods I have never been anywhere near large server farms. Big cow farms, yes. - Rick Powell

Anthony...I agree. Chalk it up to another Festivus miracle, my friend! lol - Carlton Hackett

@Wirehead That was needlessly vitriolic. Couldn't be civil and say something like "There are technological limitations related to policy implementation in communities of this size" rather than making assumptions about the skills and experiences of the people in the discussion and then disparaging them? You didn't contribute to this conversation at all, you detracted from it. @everyone else: sorry for feeding the troll. - Scott Ohlemacher

Dude, I'm just stating an unpleasant truth. But it's very popular amongst people with a little grain of knowledge to assume that they can apply this everywhere. Do I sit here and make suggestions for how cattle ranchers might improve production? No, because I recognize that I don't know a damn thing about cattle ranching and would probably suggest something really stupid. - Wirehead

On that note, I'm going to go have a beer and watch the hockey game. - Scott Ohlemacher

I'm a bit sad that Mr. Johnson lost all his pictures. (Rule 1: always make backups!) But the more I hear about his one-man crusade, the more I agree with Stewart Butterfield's assessment. There are right ways to get one's message out, and wrong ways. Mr. Johnson thought his cause was so noble, his message so urgent, that the normal rules didn't apply to him. Alas for his 1200 pictures, he was wrong. - Pat Rice

@Pat I would guess that a large percentage of the world's dissidents would say that the normal rules don't apply to them, and they would be right, else they would not be dissidents. As for your comment, your rhetoric is precious (alas? a bit sad?) and your argument, if I can call it that, empty. Anyone else? - Rick Powell

Alex: The constitution defines how government must act. The speech is protected from the government squelching it. No private company is obligated to allow anyone to speak in any way other than the way it wants. Period. The constitution does not give you the right to make the New York Times print anything and everything you want, nor does it give you the right to make flickr do it either. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Most law, and most particularly, the Constitution points back to principles that Dick Cheney, among others, refers to as "quaint," but that doesn't mean they're not valued or have no value, or don't constitute, get that word, the basis for understanding moral behavior. Most citizens understand this. Corporations, unique in history we will eventually realize, are somehow allowed to opt... more... - Rick Powell

Big, scary, god-like (it's a technology, Captain, but none like we've ever seen) server farm or not, I expect backups have to be available. Maybe only for a week (I think that's how long I was told Sprint's picture mail server kept backups), but for some period of time. - MiniMage TKDteacher of FF

See, you are just proving my point, BoringMage. There is a difference between backups and restoring deleted accounts. Given the expected failure rate of disk drives, if flickr didn't keep backups, you'd know. :) - Wirehead

Flickr could disable the account and prevent harmful activity without deletion of customer data, and that is what they should be doing in these cases. This is more about consumer rights than freedom of speech. - Mike Chelen

I'm afraid it cannot be "protected speech" if you spam the same comment 10, 20 more times on individual pictures. Then it becomes heckling. These are the flickr terms: "Don’t vent your frustrations, rant, or bore the brains out of other members. Flickr is not a venue for you to harass, abuse, impersonate, or intimidate others. If we receive a valid complaint about your conduct, we’ll... more... - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

If they did warn him and he kept spamming, then he deserved what happened. If he didn't back up his own data after being warned and continued doing the same thing, who can he blame? - Richard Lawler

Jeez, I keep commenting, since so many people find so many creative or not-so-creative ways of avoiding the real points. There is no easy way to back up one's flickr collection, which in some cases involves clicking twice for each photo - which can run into thousands of clicks. If you knew what you were talking about, then you would already know this. flickr's API does not allow... more... - Rick Powell

Yes, we've heard your opinion Rick. That's great. It still doesn't justify the guy's behavior. It doesn't entirely pardon flickr, and I don't think anyone is, but he made his choice. - Richard Lawler

Well, Richard, if anyone had actually heard my opinion then they would comment as if they understood the contents of my opinion, which you clearly haven't. I have not made justifications about his behavior, mostly because I really don't fully know the extent and content of his behavior. Do you? Perhaps you can fill us all in? It seems clear he was obnoxious, as many people are who want... more... - Rick Powell

Rick, I am not sure about your point - in order to upload to Flickr you need to have the image in the first place, so the assumption is you still have the originals and could re-upload to a new account (I certainly have my images on 2 drives here plus several places online). If you somehow lose the originals you should take copies back out of Flickr immediately, not rely on Flickr (or anything) as your sole copy. PS: have you tried http://www.ghacks.net/2009... - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

Congratulations, Joelle, your life is a lot more stable than mine was. I started uploading to flickr when I was homeless and had no computer of my own. Borrowed cameras, with personal images, and gift memberships from readers of my blog. This year will be the first time I have to decide whether to flip the bird to flickr or pay up. 4 years of connections, not to mention photos. Not an... more... - Rick Powell

Just for the purpose of backup perhaps you can switch the images from private to public (but w. adult warning to avoid people being offended) - run the backup, then change it back? Just circumvent the system temporarily so you have your images at least! I totally agree with you that the feeling that the plug can be pulled under you is an uneasy one, but the cases where flickr has done... more... - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

You have totally disarmed me. ;-) I will think about trying that, and any indie, open, distributed options you have would be welcome. - Rick Powell

I have a lot of thoughts on this as some might expect. May have to break them down into a few posts. I saw this letter from Stewart well before it appeared in Valleywag. It first appeared in the DeleteMe Uncensored group that I admin on Flickr. My first problem with the letter is that I don't think Shepherd should have posted it there or anywhere at all. It was private correspondence... more... - Thomas Hawk

Had Shepherd asked Stewart for permission to post it and Stewart said yes I think that'd probably be ok then. But I don't think Shepherd did that and I don't think Stewart gave permission for it to be published. While I support Shepard's fight against Flickr, I did tell him that I didn't think it was right that he published this email. I know that I personally won't publish emails... more... - Thomas Hawk

Stewart and Heather are friends so I'd think it fair to assume that he'd stick up for Heather in this case without admittedly knowing many of the specific details. I think a lot of us might as our first reaction stick up for our friends. Unfortunately, I think Stewart's response turns this debate more into a personality thing than it should be. I think there are three problems with the way that Flickr handled the Shepherd Johnson case. - Thomas Hawk

1. Obama campaigned on a platform of transparency in Govt. Deleting critical comments is not transparency. Obama is using social media to enhance his transparency. Deleting critical comments doesn't add much to his credibility in that department. This is not an Obama campaign photostream. It's the official Whitehouse photostream produced by your and my tax dollars. The Obama... more... - Thomas Hawk

2. Shepherd Johnson should not have had his account deleted over the comments that he posted. He linked to a photo (not his but from another photostream as allowed by flickr that was also nuked) depicting detainee prison abuse with a message protesting Obama's support of a new law to suppress additional photos from being released. Of all speech political speech should be given the... more... - Thomas Hawk

3. Flickr should not be deleting *any* accounts permanently and irrevocably. To be so arrogant that they would assume that they will never make a mistake in an account deletion is mind numbing. The fact that they refuse to address this issue and simply dismiss anyone who suggests otherwise is an equally horrible position of arrogance. Instead Flickr should change their policy with... more... - Thomas Hawk

+++ @TH - Nils Sandin

Scott, this is not just about a Flickr account deletion. According to Shepherd, Heather was not aware of some of the comments that were deleted on the President's stream. The only way those comments could have been deleted (if not by flickr) would have been by Shepherd himself or someone who controls the President's stream. I've personally written to the White House on it and posted a... more... - Thomas Hawk

And there is no political bias on my part in this one. I voted for Obama and support him as my President even if I might not vote for him again. I'm a Democrat who believes strongly that censorship is wrong, even if it's done by a popular Democratic President. - Thomas Hawk

Political speech does not and should not deserve a wider berth if the guy was breaking the rules. That should be entirely content agnostic. - Richard Lawler

When are you going to realize that Obama and Bush policy wise are one and the same? - John Blanton from twhirl

Richard, the problem with that position is that the "rules" at flickr are very, very subjective. According to Shepherd, Heather told him his account was deleted because he posted a link to a detainee abuse photo and because he was "spamming" flickr, and yet Heather refused to define what "spamming" was and there is definitely no specific rule about not linking to detainee abuse photos.... more... - Thomas Hawk

so in Flickr's subjective implementation of their rules? Yes, I do think that political speech should be given a wider berth. Not directly relevant, but U.S. Courts have consistently given political speech a wider berth when dealing with First Amendment issues. - Thomas Hawk

If you think flickrs rules are bad then thats great, but its not censorship for them to have and enforce rules on their own website.This is not a first amendment issue and flickr shouldn't treat it as one, that amendment does not give you the rights being implied here. If your Dad sent a complaint to flickr about you posting his photo and you continued to repost it, then sure your stream should be deleted. - Richard Lawler

Richard it is actually censorship if Flickr deletes an account. It might not be Govt. censorship (which also may or may not have taken place in this case). Censorship doesn't have to be Govt sponsored to be considered censorship. It may be *justifiable* censorship to you but it is still censorship. - Thomas Hawk

No, it's censorship if they remove it because of the content, which is exactly why whether it is political speech or not should never come into play. - Richard Lawler

Moral of the story: Don't be a dick. - © b e e n s w a n k

Richard, Flickr did remove Shepherds account because of content. That's exactly why his account was deleted. Content of an image (detainee torture abuse) and content of his words (protesting the Obama administration) that they called spam but would not define. - Thomas Hawk

You've decided it was the content based on their lack of a hard definition for spam, but that doesn't make it so. What he was doing doesn't serve for justification for how he went about doing it. - Richard Lawler

Not sure anyone in this long thread has corrected the assumption that this is "censorship." Censorship is inherently a government act. If it's not an act of government, by definition, it isn't censorship. - Jon Lebkowsky

At least, if you folow the strict, original defnition of the term. There's a huge issue here, but I don't see it as an issue of censorship. - Jon Lebkowsky

Censorship by any definition is anyone preventing anyone else from fully using our right to free speech. .this is censorship of the worst kind. - John Blanton from twhirl

Jon: Censorship is not limited to government accts. Your confusing "censorship" with "government censorship," a common mistake that people make. Since you mention the definition of the term, check out the definition in the dictionary. Richard, according to Shepherd, his account was deleted in part for the photo and in part for what they call spamming (without any notice or warning I... more... - Thomas Hawk

Again, you have a right to free speech in /public/ - Flickr is a /private/ place. Just as you can dictate the speech that goes on in your own home, so can Flickr in their message boards. It may be censorship, but it is not infringing on your right to free speech We are all free to bitch about Flickr in public. So's the guy they dumped. Flickr is free to censor any damn thing they like... more... - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

It is censorship, but it's perfectly legal and "fine" for them to do, however offensive and inadvisable it may be - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Rob, I've never said his speech on Flickr is protected. I've never said that what Flickr did her was illegal. Flickr can censor me for wearing a green shirt if they want to. Nobody's disputing that. I'm saying it's bad policy and as one of the most active community members who has put thousands of hours into the site and thousands of pieces of content into the site, I think their... more... - Thomas Hawk

I do wish actually though that the White House would in fact address the question of whether or not they censor comments on their own Flickrstream. I think it's a fair question in light of Obama's oft promised new "transparency" in Govt. - Thomas Hawk

Thomas: no you never said any of those things. And i have to agree that it's bad policy. I think in general censorship sucks no matter who does it. And definitely I think you're correct that the Obama Administration should address that question. It's a fair question regardless of promised "transparency" - it's a fair question because it is OUR government. (of, for, and BY the people, right?)But, we've sen on several occasions already that the Obama White House cannot & will not live up to it's promises. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

If this is just a debate over corporate policy, then perhaps we ought to stop slinging around emotionally-charged & easily-misconstrued words like 'censorship'. Calling it censorship implies that it's a First Amendment, freedom-of-speech issue. It isn't. P.S. To Rick Powell: nice ad hominem there. - Pat Rice

Thanks Pat :) Well said. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Pat, calling it *government* censorship (which in fact may or may not have taken place here) implies that it's a First Amendment freedom-of-speech issue. Calling it censorship is simply stating what it is. If FriendFeed decided to delete a user's account for posting images of prison detainee abuse that would also be censorship. Fortunately for all of us, Friendfeed doesn't seem to be... more... - Thomas Hawk

It does suck, but we do have to remember that this type of censorship is also an exercise of freedom as well. No matter how much it sucks, it is Flickr's right to do it. (no matter how bad it is for their users, or their own company it's still their right -we are all free to engage in our own stupidity) "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." -Voltaire - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

If I paint my message on the side of the Washington Monument, and the National Park Service sends somebody to wash it off, is that censorship? - Pat Rice

"I will defend your right to say it" indeed - but I won't defend your right to yell it, say it over and over right in someone's face, or heckle in a public space. And I wont defend your right to say it by force to people who dont want to hear it. None of these are free speech - As soon as your speech infringes on the free speech or freedom of others, it's no longer free speech. If... more... - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

Sorry, Joelle, I can only say you've never encountered an issue where your passion and your politics overrode your sense of propriety, (I have) because that is what you are talking about now. Unless you have suddenly become a public figure at the level of the President of the United States. Free speech as a right protects us against the government, not against corporate assholes, which... more... - Rick Powell

Loic Le Meur

Where will you guys follow online the Apple Keynote today? Where is best?

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http://gdgt.com/ (Ryan Block's site, he used to run Engadget). Or, even better, VentureBeat's WWDC room right here: http://friendfeed.com/apple-w... - Robert Scoble

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Engadet is always a favorite of mine. - Shane Schnell

http://wwdc.twitterfall.com for Twitter chatter - Jalada

Add to that Macrumors.com, engadget, techcrunch, and whoever gets hot on friendfeed. - Robert Scoble

Engagdet always does a great job. http://www.engadget.com/2009... - Shawn Hickman

http://friendfeed.com/apple-w... - Benjamin Golub

http://keynotetweets.com/live looks good. Never tried it before. - Roberto Bonini

Engadget. Although I might do gdgt. - Aaron Hood from BuddyFeed

I ususally follow edgaget, macrumors,etc. - Roberto Bonini

I usually go with macrumors but engadget always has good photos in the update stream - Mike Bracco

http://keynotetweets.com/live - Darrel Davis

Scoble, gdgt.com looks really good too. - Shawn Hickman

will someone have live streaming video or does apple prohibit that? - Mike Bracco

Trying to decide between Engadget and GDGT, it's a tricky one, but leaning towards GDGT as have always found Ryan Block's coverage brilliant. - Steve Farnworth

Pretty certain it's not allowed. - Jalada

Isn't Leo doing a show at live.twit.tv ? - Chris Taylor

usually there is something over ustresam.com or live.twit.tv - alex

Is there no livestream? - David Schmidt

I would love to see a live video stream too. Preferably Ustream so I could watch it on my phone - Shawn Hickman

I hope he his. I'm tuning in defo. - Roberto Bonini

oups i mean ustream.com - alex

keynotetweets for me too - Nichlas Hummelsberger

I can't remember where I watched it last time that had a live stream of updates. I think Ars Technica. I can't stand those F5 sites. :) - Chris Hearn

I'll probably keep up with the Apple Keynote at engadget. They do a fine job. - Paul Maez

Twitscoop.com - who says I'm biaised ? Joking apart, see it for yourself when the conf starts... - twitscoop

ArsTechnica - the IRC option is nice & light. - James Shiell

Engadget usually delivers the richest copy, and images as well in their live coverage. And expect an official streaming QT at Apple's site a few hours later. - jon skivenes

how about Macrumors IRC... - Sebastiaan van den Akker

just summed up a few of your links in a blog post http://www.loiclemeur.com/english... - Loic Le Meur

As it will be 3am in Australia... via RSS in the morning. - thomasrdotorg

Every year engadget goes down under the load and every year they apologise - David Lloyd

Mark: that's why I recommend other sites and that you have a list ready in case your favorite goes down. - Robert Scoble

I think Leo's live.twit.tv show is AFTER the keynote. I'm going to watch #wwdc on my Seesmic Desktop, and gdgt and Engadget. - Darius Dunlap

I think Apple should charge $5 for an official live stream and donate the money to charity - they would probably make a bunch of money. I would gladly pay. - Mike Bracco

I hope MacRumors doesn't get hacked again. I'll probably have a dedicated window of WWDC coverage with a few tabs open. No reason to stick to just one! CTRL+TAB FTW! - Chris Hearn

Mike Bracco - I see it coming with all this great access to global conversations connecting. - carolynn kutz

@Loic Le Meur... cool summary. thanks - Goktug Okan Oguz

LOIC: just checked out your blog - hadn't been there before. Who had the "suck" tagline first...you or Bare Bones Software? haha - http://www.barebones.com/product... - Mike Bracco

@Loic bring some #pastis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...) i will watch #wwdc here ;) - alex

FYI: Leo will be live in one hour from now on TWiTLive - he will be talking to people at the conference then live blogging, so to speak. - David Lloyd

By the way, the really "best" place to here on friendfeed: http://friendfeed.com/apple-w... VentureBeat is doing live coverage and interacting with us right here!!! - Robert Scoble

Cali Lewis said: See you all on Ustream at 10:00 AM Pacific for the WWDC live coverage! http://www.ustream.tv/channel... - Simon Wicks

Leo! - Lars Clausen

There's another room here on friendfeed too: http://friendfeed.com/wwdc2009 - Robert Scoble

I'd pay $5 for live stream too - David Lloyd

Do us a favour rob, which ever room or thread takes off, please link from your account xx - David Lloyd

Mark: the best things will probably be the Apple searches. I have a list of them here: http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... - Robert Scoble

Anthony Ha did a nice job using FriendFeed to track the iPhone 3.0 preview event live, and that was before the redesign - http://friendfeed.com/iphone-... I'll have a window up for his WWDC coverage: http://friendfeed.com/apple-w... - Ken Sheppardson

SCOBLE: Also check out http://almost.at/#wwdc - Mike Bracco

Just heard on CNBC will be live blogging here at http://techcheck.cnbc.com - Bill Hertzing

FriendFeed, although I plan on "pausing updates" ("doing something other than FriendFeed-ing") during that time & catching up on the interesting bits later. - Wade Dorrell

here's another list of live coverages to follow: http://tumblr.com/xye1zfc8n not the complete one, but these are the sources that shouldn't go down. - Konstantin

I'm tracking on http://almost.at/#wwdc and http://arstechnica.com/apple... but would love to see live video - Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕

Can I just say that http://keynotetweets.com/live has an awful lot of white space on the home page? Shouldn't the tweets run along the main column instead of the left-hand column? Unless that going to be filled with other info's once the keynote starts? - Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕

engadget + crunchgear + friendfeed rooms i guess. here is a new source for *turkish* apple fans:http://friendfeed.com/wwdc09-... - Goktug Gedik

Maybe I should keep my mouth shut so that the server doesn't get overloaded, but I'll be following here, I think: TheAppleBlog - http://theappleblog.com/live/ - Grey Drane

Consensus seems to be engadget. I will also be on friendfeed and gdgt. - Shawn Snodgrass

argh! too many!! http://keynotetweets.com/ and engadget.com - jomarhilario

Any good ways to listen (audio) to the keynote from my iPhone? I am going to be at the dentist:( - Shawn Hickman

I wonder why Gdgt still hasn't launched its website almost a year after it was announced. Right now its just a podcast listing - David Lloyd

Wow, the Apple Blog has a great iPhone interface for the live keynote http://theappleblog.com/live/ - Shawn Hickman

Endadget still doesn't have autoupdate? - David Lloyd

Mark, I know it's bullshit - Shawn Hickman

"Live coverage is now over" on gdgt.com ?!! - Andrew Currie

Going with a source I trust: http://www.intomobile.com/2009... - Andrew Currie

http://almost.at/#wwdc is my preferred event spotter but there's too much else to do, I can catch up on the key points in 10min later - Mark Essel

http://live.twit.tv/ - alex

Bret Taylor

Official Google Blog: Went Walkabout. Brought back Google Wave. - http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009...

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I don't want to wait for Google Wave - Browseology lets me collaborate in real time, available now! http://www.browseology.com - Joe Pestro

I never seen that slick UI that has maded by Google, props for that, that's looks awesome - Kristian Salonen

Wave looks a little confusing (then again I'm at work, so I couldn't read the whole blog post), but the concept is interesting. I don't think it will be able to compete with Twitter if that's what they were aiming for. - Ocean

I wonder if the FF designer brigade will dis this like they did the new FF UI? - Daniel J. Pritchett

@Ocean - people will actually be able to get work done with Wave :P - Daniel J. Pritchett

I'm just thinking of the people who are not even on Twitter, how will they digest this :) - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick

I have the same concern - if middle management can't easily participate from their blackberries, then it's dead in the enterprise water. - Daniel J. Pritchett from IM

Looks awesome !! - Matthew Marley

So my interpretation is that this is like an extension of email, that can integrate closely with other services. - Daniel Sims

No prizes for guessing what my first idea for an application is....this looks very cool - Cameron Neylon

It would be interesting to see how well this could work for collaborations. - Pedro Beltrao

Sounds like advanced email service, where the email message is "alive", wiki type collaboration is evolved. Email+Wiki+Twitter meshup. And the UI is really not that much googlish . Very eager to see it! - Nenko Ivanov

from the article and slides, it looks like FF rooms with live chat functionality and extensibility. FF is almost there already. maybe the presentation video when available will explain any differences better - Wladimir Labeikovsky

FF as it exists currently *looks* like the enterprise collaboration holy grail. Its only problem is that no one wants to buy into a closed service hosted externally. Even if Wave is nothing more than a free self-hostable Friendfeed it will still blow the doors off of E2.0. - Daniel J. Pritchett from IM

[NINJA EDIT] And by "no one" I mean "no Fortune 100 CIOs". I'm sure you guys at FF aren't out to sell directly to the enterprise yet, but it's my area of interest and I've been daydreaming about how awesome it would be to use FF as a part of my official workflow. I think Wave is more likely to get there given your current featureset versus their current vaporset. - Daniel J. Pritchett

good point Daniel, i had somehow missed that Wave would be a Google App and thus amenable to self-hosting, etc - Wladimir Labeikovsky

I understand Wave team's desire to integrate and leverage existing, accepted forms of communication and collaboration. But doesn't that also limit innovation? I'd love to see someone take a "blue sky" approach to the problem of business communication and collaboration, rather than build on existing models. - Larry Hawes

I know it may seem hard to believe by watching all the crazy stuff they show in the video, but it's actually very easy to use. Click 'new wave', start typing, add a recipient. Or you can add a recipient first. So in some sense it's actually simpler than email, because there are a lot fewer opportunities to make irrevocable mistakes (like, oops, sent too early). I can't wait to be able to use it publicly. - Joel Webber

Nenko, I think you've done a superb job of succinctly describing Wave. Or, at least my perception of Wave after using it for a month or so :). And one thing people should keep in mind: this has been in development for a long time, so it's not like three months ago, Google thought, "ZOMG! Must respond to [insert other service name here]" :-) - Adam Lasnik

Daniel, if "FF as it exists currently *looks* like the enterprise collaboration holy grail," how do you explain to these enterprise folks, that anyone can edit and delete their past contributions after the fact, thus soiling the conversational record? Business can not be conducted in such conditions. Clearly, before being of use FF would need to "stratify" their basic types of collaborative primitives - beginning with non-editable posts and comments. - ianf ⌘

I didn't mean "looks like" as in "feature complete" just "resembles". Lots of the latest and greatest parts of FF are features that would make any E2.0 toolkit much more powerful. The rooms and multi-threaded DMs are particularly sweet. - Daniel J. Pritchett

I can't see this being ready for the enterprise just yet, but sme's and startups definately. If they can also produce a mobile version for the iPhone and android markets it potentially is the next killer app. - Keith Bennett from BuddyFeed

ianf: "Business can not be conducted in such conditions." Are you kidding me? What about the telephone conversation. Business uses that just fine. It's one tool. - Nick in Manila

It certainly wins on ease of use, but that's not enough in a business context. Accountability, being held to account, is. Truth be told, we really don't know if FFeeders paid any attention to enterprise use when originally designing it. Perhaps it can be evolved in this direction without lots of shouting, perhaps not. @Keith - FF is extremely text-input-centric. Neither of the two mobile devices is very good at this. But, fine, it does represent a step above even the most intelligent of mail/Gmail etc. - ianf ⌘

Nick, there's a difference between telephone and print. As soon as text records are involved, there's the problem. - ianf ⌘

ianf: Agree. It's not an auditable text record. But we've adapted to Wikipedia. It only takes you so far. You have accept it's not an absolute and use it for what you can. - Nick in Manila

My problem with FF in the enterprise (and I try to use it that way) is the goofy name and logo. - Nick in Manila

Wikipedia is a special case, but I have yet to hear of it being acceptable beyond colloquial use. FF is fine if treated as multi-threaded dialogue platform. Perhaps it's just me, but I always assumed that any heavy-duty business use presumes that a company runs it off its own/colo servers, not from platform-provider's own. We really don't know much of how FF works, but I suspect that... more... - ianf ⌘

ianf: Yes re enterprise use. But as the enterprise becomes more and more atomized, this will become less and less of an issue. Although that's not the immediate future of Fortune 100s - which gives a huge advantage to smaller co's. - Nick in Manila

@ianf: There *is* an auditable record. Didn't you notice the part where they show how you can always go back through the history of a wave to see its edit history? Not only is it possible, but it's easy and only takes a few seconds. It's really useful for getting context on a large wave when you come into it late. - Joel Webber

is there an app for that yet? :-) - Chris Cotsapas

@Adam Lasnik I'm sure that Wave is not a respond to any existing service. At Google there are smart people thinking ahead and I think that wave is a step forward in personal and corporate comunication - Nenko Ivanov

FriendFeed might actually benefit from Google Wave, see http://nicolas.lehuen.com/index... - Nicolas Lehuen

Actually the platform looks like a response to Live Mesh and the product looks like a FF client powered by Gears but the interesting stuff is the protocol which could be used to bring consensus on how to, finally, implement track. - Alberto Saavedra

Isn't that a bit premature to ask? Wave's just been announced, we don't know how FF will develop in few months' time, yet already now you want us to speculate whether some vaporware will be killerware of existingware rhetorical q. - ianf ⌘

nope it isn't. i think this is the time for asking this. - Yusuf Güzel

@Yusuf: I have to say I think the comparison is pretty inappropriate. The two products solve different problems completely. I use Wave at work, and even once it's fully open, I will continue to use FF, which I love as well. Besides, does the world really need another "Is X a Y killer?" poll? - Joel Webber

Whoops, sorry for the triple-post. I obviously have some better error-handling to write. - Joel Webber

lol @Joel - so exactly how good _are_ those robots.. - Nick Lothian

Robert Scoble

I just saw a must have greasemonkey extension for Twitter. It lets you see bio/profile info of your followers. Details here:

May 26 - Comment - Like - Share

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http://userscripts.org/scripts... It's here. - Robert Scoble

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This is cool, only works on Firefox. You must also have Greasemonkey loaded. - Robert Scoble

The userscripts page explains how to get Greasemonkey and use it, if you don't have it already. - Robert Scoble

I'm building a new secret Twitter account and this will let me follow people who are very interesting to me. - Robert Scoble

The developer is @imusicmash and he said he showed it to Twitter's Alex Payne and Alex told him that Twitter is working on something like this. - Robert Scoble

ugh Greasemonkey not updated for current Firefox beta. #fail - Brett Schulte

Another cool script? http://userscripts.org/scripts... transforms your copy and pasted URLs into a bit.ly short URL RIGHT WHILE YOU ARE TYPING. Very cool. - Robert Scoble

i'm surprised you haven't done this 'secret' account already - Chris Heath

Chris: I did it over on friendfeed. But now I want to be ready for the changes that Twitter will be making. - Robert Scoble

Scoble: I use TextExpander to get the bitly functionality you suggest...Text Expander uses applescript to get it done. I just copy URL then type "/bilty" and it makes the URL - Mike Bracco

Also try the one from @troynt - http://sn.im/troys_t... - Atul Arora

Quite a useful script. A firefox extension - Identify - which i found today which gets the web identity of a person across different social sites https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US... - Vineet Bhatnagar

Great script. Btw, there are lots of url shortening add-ons for Fx http://is.gd/Fv1N - Willem (@wim66) ☠

Vineet: have you heard of pipl - I did a search for on ROBERT SCOBLE and here is what I got - http://bit.ly/CFTma - TechCrunch covered them a little while back. - Mike Bracco

thanks Robert for mentioning my 2 firefox scripts. I hope they save you some time. - Al

Less annoying than waiting on mouse hover for the title="" to appear. - Gary

YAY!!!!! thank you, this is awesome! Installed both the bio/profile and the bit.ly ones... Also, added the recommended one Atul listed above too! thanks guys!! - Susan Beebe

Thank you. - David Cook

Twitter need to really start to implement this stuff into their core service. It will make value the service more as its more feature rich and usable. - Nicholas James

Don't know why twitter holds back on stuff that currently gets done using greasemonkey scripts. After all these additions will only cause load on the user's CPU. hmm.. Maybe they should just serve (optional) different javascript+css, enabled via preferences?! - Shivanand Velmurugan

Ofcourse, you guys are using @troynt's twitter script right? http://userscripts.org/scripts... - Shivanand Velmurugan

Love this script. Saves tons of time and waiting for loading and waiting and waiting. Nice job... - Lyn Graft

handig Firefox script om twitter profiles sneller door te kunnen scannen! - Jeroen De Miranda

Robert Scoble

Twitter's Alex Payne told me that Twitter will be competitive with friendfeed, Facebook, and whatever Google will do. More here:

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He told me they are going to add features that look like friendfeed's "likes" and "comments." - Robert Scoble

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Good, their Favoriting system right now is useless. It would be great to do more with Favorites. - Rob

He's already got the Favorites/Stars feature, sex that up a bit and it could eventually be comparable to Likes. The comments will be good to see. - Daniel J. Pritchett

But will it tie in other services the way FF does and put them into your Twitter Feed? - Mike Bracco

But he said they would be different, though. Also, during his talk at #140TC he told the audience they would make other changes to support search, including adding location based info to each Tweet. - Robert Scoble

Great, more Fail Whales! - sean andersen

Hmm, interesting to hear. - phil baumann

Phil: they know they are getting their ass kicked in search and are making metadata changes to head off the new competition. - Robert Scoble

Any other changes to their search? - phil baumann

At the end of the day, everyone copy from friendfeed :) - Orli Yakuel

so they're basically ripping off other sites' ideas because they've realized they're way too limited with their own? - Cee Bee

On the other hand, I'm listening to Twitter's Britt Selvitelle and he says he still thinks every day about the SMS constraints. - Robert Scoble

Cee: absolutely. I would. - Robert Scoble

@Rob - Favorites aren't entirely useless. I feed my Twitter favorites into my Friendfeed via RSS and they occasionally start new discussions:. - Daniel J. Pritchett

All interesting, but it seems they are moving further away from the core purpose at this point. - Patrick Boegel

Phil: they didn't announce any specific changes. These are more "hints" at what is to come. - Robert Scoble

who cares about SMS? Seriously, they need to ditch that constraint - Andy Hedges

Buzz: agreed! - Robert Scoble

Buzz: on the other hand, GupShup in India is growing faster than Twitter is because it supports SMS. - Robert Scoble

i understand. what i don't like is that people who use twitter don't credit or see the value in friendfeed, but will gush over these "new" features on twitter - Cee Bee

I hear younger folks (teens and collegiates I guess) still care about SMS far more than us working IT pros. Let's not throw the baby out. - Daniel J. Pritchett

SMS is HUGE in India and other countries. - Robert Scoble

Cee: that's life. That happened in Microsoft Windows too. - Robert Scoble

Daniel J. Pritchett: I've been doing the same with my Twitter favorites. - Joe Bonner

@Cee Bee - I'm happy that consumer web apps are ripping each other off. Each time FF successfully rolls out a great new feature they elevate the minimum expected level of acceptable service for new competitors. - Daniel J. Pritchett

Isn't there a Twitter equivalent in India that has hundreds of millions of users that haven't even logged into a website - all done through SMS - including the sign up process. - Mike Bracco

Joe: Twitter's favorites are hard to separate out from the messages, though. So it's hard to say "show me all Tweets that have #140tc in them but that have one like." Doing that here is VERY easy. - Robert Scoble

Mike: yes, that's GupShup. The founder is here at #140tc - Robert Scoble

I guess it needs to be an adaptive interface then, changes to suit the users usage modes - Andy Hedges

@Daniel ok, I stand corrected. That's one nice use of it. But we need searching of favs and the ability to see who is fav'ing. At least they (Twitter) are finally catching on to the potential of that feature. Too bad it took 2.5 years to realize that. - Rob

Robert, do you think they can catch up with Friendfeed in terms of features and reliability? - Jérôme Flipo

Maybe SMS is huge in countries that don't charge an arm and a leg for the privilege. I'd love to use it more often but not at $30/mo. - Daniel J. Pritchett

Jerome: yes. But that assumes that friendfeed will stand still and stop doing new features. - Robert Scoble

I agree with you there, Rob. I'd like for "twitter favorites" to be an official service recognized by the FF API so that it would be easier to search on as you mentioned just now. - Daniel J. Pritchett

Robert, assuming that the FF team keeps up the good work, naturally :) - Jérôme Flipo

Hey, if Twitter manages to consistently stay within 12 months of FF in terms of awesome new features the web will be a much cooler place overall. - Daniel J. Pritchett

Jerome: or, like Mark Zuckerberg told me "the race is to who can build a great search engine that has 250 million people on it." - Robert Scoble

Daniel, I 100% agree - Alex M.

At least Facebook as a revenue strategy, I just don't see that in FF or Twitter - Chris Patterson

Mark already has the 250 million people. Friendfeed has the great search engine. Twitter has neither. So, who will win this game? Heheh. - Robert Scoble

I think Pakistan has a SMS twitter clone they just released today. SMS is why I joined twitter. You can search favourites with http://twitter.infinityplusone.com/Search-... - motownmutt

SMS is a terrible interface for anything and all it does is make the phone companies piles of cash - Chris Patterson

Doesn't the popularity of SMS in India have at least something to do with the fact that few people have access to voice mail? I think I had heard something to that effect. - Christopher A Carr

That's the geek in you talking, Chris. SMS (and Twitter) are so sucessful *because* of their simplistic natures rather than in spite of them. - Daniel J. Pritchett

I like Twitter just not SMS, Twitter did't become useful for me until the desktop clients came along - Chris Patterson

What is the over/under on how long it will take b4 we see a blog post using "Friendfeed killer" in it's title? - Davis Freeberg

It seems like Twitter doesn't know what it wants to be. Do they want to be like MSFT and Windows and let everyone else make the apps or do they want to make the apps themselves. Apps in this case would be additional functionality built on the Twitter's raw data stream. Is this a poor analogy? I view Twitter more as a platform. - Mike Bracco

I'd like FF to win the race, since the team seems to care more about its vision and users than Twitter or FB. - phil baumann

Of course I still prefer FF. It woudl be very hard to have and follow this conversation on Twitter - Chris Patterson

Sure, The Twitter API can be Win32 and Summize, FriendFeed et al can be value-added acquisitions. - Daniel J. Pritchett from IM

Daniel: so you're saying that you think Twitter will IPO? I'm just wondering how acquisitions would be funded otherwise. - EnterpriseVault

No clue re: IPOs and acquisitions, I was just playing off of the Microsoft analogy above - Daniel J. Pritchett from IM

Chris: agree that following conversation is easier, (possible, even), on FF. twitter's in reply to's only work sporadically, especially with 3rd party apps. Trying to extract in depth conversations on twitter is a huge time-suck. - motownmutt

Daniel: thanks for clarifying. I actually think the same however there is no business path to it for now (IMO, that is). - EnterpriseVault

Robert: Thanks for clarifying the limitations of importing Twitter favorites. - Joe Bonner

sms popularity in India is nothing to do with voice mail. SMS in India is like Mozilla ubiquity for firefox. A command line interface for the mobile phone. Booking flights, paying bills and other thousands of usages including social networking. - Kiran Patchigolla

Interesting to see this post a few days later. No, I don't think twitter is going to be "competitive" with the Wave that Google announced today. A participant, for sure, but competitive? In their dreams. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Chris: I see more of a revenue strategy on FriendFeed in the long term that (for sure) Twitter, and likely Facebook. Facebook is lagging, while I see the structure in place for FriendFeed to seriously take over. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

You might like that one http://www.twittori.com which ads geotags to twitter messages already today - enzo

Robert Scoble

I've been on Twitter 886 days. How long have you been on? http://whendidyoujointwitter.com/ Answer here: (I joined November 20, 2006).

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I just tried getting on this as you tweeted it and you crashed the site! or did your followers? - Matthew Sauer

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Damn Scobleffect! - Kevin Kuphal

Matthew and Kevin: hah! - Robert Scoble

TechCrunch got on it February 7th, 2007. - Robert Scoble

786 days. Started on 28 February 2007. By the way, it doesn't seem to work on Chrome on Windows. Had to fire up Firefox. - Sam Grover

CenterNetworks got on it December 12, 2006. - Robert Scoble

I got it on August 23 2007, 610 days - Jaffer

758 days! - Matthew Sauer

sir, you just crashed that site. edit - previous attempt chrome, same FF on XP - shayne catrett

I think you just killed their website... - Roy Herrod

I created on March19, 2008. Only 401 days for me. :) - Paul Wade

470 days ago. wow ididnt realize it was that long i've been on twitter - Fuad Arshad

I joined on April 4, 2008 - 385 days. - Laurie Stoker

I joined twitter 910 days ago on 27 October 2006 - Willem Karssenberg

I joined on April 23, 2009. - 1 day. Took me long enough, right? - Angus Burton

You don't need to use some third party site, this information's in user info available via the API. Just look for "created_at" in the url http://twitter.com/users..., using your user ID, of course. - Ken Sheppardson

300 days - Thomas Power

I deleted my account at one point, and have subsequently shuffled and renamed some stuff, but it looks like KenSheppardson's been there since November 5, 2007 - Ken Sheppardson

I joined twitter 829 days ago - http://whendidyoujointwitter.com ? - Rom Feria

Jul 30, 2007 - Pat Hawks

April 19, 2007 - Joe Buhler

Your account was created on 1 August 2007 - Jay Neff

20 March 2007, to follow @Veronica. :) Even beat @leolaporte by 20 days! - Surferbill

11 August 2007, 623 days ago. - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

26 January 2009 - so 88 days ago... not really that long to be honest, I kept avoiding it! - Roy Herrod

756 days ago for me - Donald Matheson

Dec 6, 2006. 870 days ago - Rodfather

759!!! - Iain Baker

568 days ago. - Simon Wicks

799 days. - Morton Fox

November 30th 2007, A year less than you. - Paul Bainbridge

750 days @thbenkoe - thomas benkö

218 days ago. Now how about whendidyoujoinfriendfeed.com - Kiran Patchigolla

617 days -- more important though - when was the last time I actively used it (not sure -- is there a similar tool to tell me when I joined FF? :-) ) - Brian Sullivan

775 days johnr99a - John

710 days "only" - Jean-Charles VERDIE

Scoble effect > digg effect - Tim McDougall

Jun 2007 - Zee.

I joined twitter on 25 August 2008, 243 days ago: the rest is History - sofarsoShawn

still haven't and not gonna. - Andrew C

Joined Twitter 754 days ago - Michael Kreidler

Or just click on your profile in tweetdeck / many other "clients" -- it will tell your joined date. I joined Fri 07 Mar 2008 23:57. - Nicholas Kreidberg

I make it 279 days if my math is correct. - Sharron Field

You're on Twitter? :-) - sofarsoShawn

The website is down at the moment, but I already know the answer. I'll be celebrating my one year Twitter anniversary on May 06. - Sharon McPherson

845 :-) December 31st 2006 :-) - Luca Conti

448 which actually suprised me, must have early adopted then just forgot I had the account. - Richard Tousignant

I've got it going on http://whendidyoujointwitter.appspot.com/ - trying to figure out how to point the domain name to it - can anyone help? (What a noob) - Neville Ridley-Smith

665 days - chrisofspades

I joined April 2007. wish I could figure it out # of days...the link above isn't cooperating :( Loving tho that I have been on over 700+ days ;) --- thanks Sharon McPherson for the redirect. It worked - 748 days - enza (aka iVenus)

408 days - Chris Noble

728 :) 27 April 2007 - Max Trisolino

Neville, I'm no expert, but you can redirect the domain's index page to http://whendidyoujointwitter.appspot.com in your .htaccess file. Or you can just use a meta redirect. - Sharon McPherson

I joined twitter 743 days ago I feel so old now :-) - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

752 Days ago. Funny little tool--the app, not me. ;) - BISQ

Apr 18 2008 - Nicholas James

515 days. Kaspersky is warning of a Trojan downloader on that site. - Elpie

872. Seems like yesterday. - Kevin Gamble

667 days - seen lots of whales - Jack DeWitt Smith

dude, everything you touch, breaks..gettin' a 404 :) - George Dearing

Ok - forwarding has been set up - site is live again - Neville Ridley-Smith

775 days for me. - Internet's Tad

I think we need a new verb: The site has been -- robertscobled or scobleized? - dario

it was pretty hosed before he got to it but it certainly didn't help matters! - Neville Ridley-Smith

765 days. huh? didn't know it had been so long - Ted

773. - MikeAmundsen

I joined twitter on 13 August 2006 - I joined twitter 986 days ago! - Carlos Granier-Phelps

I joined 576 days ago (09/26/2007). - Joey Gibson

Looks like i've been on twitter for 527 days. I don't remember using it before November of this year..... - Eric

3-8-2007 (778 days) - George Dearing

I joined twitter 806 days ago - Kim Landwehr

774 for me. - Julie Barrett from twhirl

I joined Twitter 803 days ago (February 11th, 2007). - Rishabh Mishra (p248)

775 - Victor Ganata

April 29th 08: "I'm just killing time at work right now. Looking forward to keeping updates on my friends." http://twitter.com/Skizzli... - David Cook

July 13, 2007 for two accounts, April 10, 2008 for the other. - Kathy Fitch

19 March 2007 - 768 days ago. Just set up an account for my company and was explaining to my coworkers - when I mentioned I'd been on Twitter for about two years, they were like, wait, I thought it was only a couple of months old! *sigh* Funny that my guesstimation was so close, though! - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF

April 8, 2007 - rob

I'd sure like to see a personal Twitter timeline similar to coverflow where I can easily go back and forth through tweeting history and see what I've said over the years... - Glenn Batuyong

So I'm the oldest twitterer here? - Carlos Granier-Phelps

I joined twitter on 23 July 2006 - (jeff)isageek

i beat ya by a few days carlos :) - (jeff)isageek

@jeff, beat me by about 3 weeks ;-( - Carlos Granier-Phelps

March 20, 2007 - Shevonne from fftogo

Since September of 2008 - Adam Martin

25 April 2007 crap that's 2 years tomorrow - Rodzilla

Nifty little site, Robert...774 days for me. - Ken Kennedy

I joined Twitter 460 days ago. I joined FriendFeed 556 days ago. - Louis Gray

July 14, 2007 ... 650 days - Stuart Liroff

224 days ago - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick

17 November 2007 - BEX

766 days -- 21 March 2007 - xero

800 days...beat Morty by a day :) February 14, 2007 <3 day.... - Mark Krynsky

1yr 1mo ago ... 24 Mar 2008 - Craig Brownell

524160 minutes. - imabonehead

563 days ago- 9 October 2007 - metalerik

26 August 2007 - 607 days :) That's pretty good, yeah? - Michael Forian

THIS IS MY FIRST DAY ON THE INTERNET! :D - Josh Haley

I joined Twitter 10 days before you, Robert.. November 11, 2006 - Pico Seno

What is Twitter? - Dominic Jones

I joined twitter 767 days. - Paul from twhirl

I joined twitter 1015 days ago - Wayne Sutton

only 261 days, just caught the tale end of twitter's more innocent days. - Mike Elliott

1016 days ago. A day before Wayne! - Kevin Fox

Wow. Kevin, Wayne, and Dave are cooler than me! - Robert Scoble

24 October 2006, 914 days. What's your average # of tweets per day. My average is 0.012 :-). - Gary Burd

Is how many days we've been on Twitter the new status bar to measure up to now that there are million+ following @aplusk? (766 days) - Peggy Dolane

421 days. - Sue Radd

yeah, like way back in the olden days... last summer. - Peggy Dolane

08/29/2008 - John Wright

823 - Johnny Worthington

848 days. - Alix Whitmire

762 days - Bastard Operator From FF

807....7 Feb 2007 - Live4Emma (L4S)

536 days. - Larry Hudson

1002 days - rob friedman

13 April 2007, 743 days. Though wasn't very active (and still aren't) - Jemm

October 26, 2006, 912 days ago. - Erik S

819 days ago - Rob

twitter 17 November 2007, 525. friendfeed 12 February 2008, 438 days ago - Adamo Lanna

802 days ago - 13th February, 2007. Though it's only the last year or so that I started paying more attention to it. - Andy Bold

731 days for me - Jesse Stay

I joined twitter on 9 September 2007, so 594 days ago. - Peter Kruit

26 August 2007, or 608 days ago - David Young

less than 1 week. - auburn

I joined Twitter June 18, 2008 - 311 days ago - Tony C

21 dic 2006 - pm10

4 April 2008 386 days - Jamie Vidamour

Hah! 1002 days. - Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty

@bdeseattle joined 825 days ago. @pplpwrd aka @infinitelymeta joined 735 days ago. - Brian Daniel Eisenberg

67 days :( - rama mamuaya

777 days! - Roshan Vyas

I joined twitter 507 days ago - Meriç Dağlı

699 days ago, 27 May 2007 - Majento

750 ish - Jamie

A late starter, 419 days, joined 2nd March 2008. - Kol Tregaskes

I've been here for 738 days (April 18th, 2007). - Brome

2 June 2007 I joined twitter 693 days ago - Felter Roberto

I've got a pretty silly question....how do you know when you started using Twitter? - Christian (Simply X)

@Christian: Check out the link on top :) - Jemm

I joined twitter 268 days ago (July 30, 2008), and i just twitter my 802nd tweet.... - Marina

lol oh, durrrrrr. Oops totally missed that. 57 days? w00t! 02/27/2009 - Christian (Simply X)

I joined twitter 714 days ago, on 12 May 2007 - A.T.

2 days before A.T. 10th May 2007 - nouhad

I joined twitter on 8 April 2009 - http://whendidyoujointwitter.com ? I couldn't resist any longer, @leolaporte kept talking about it. - Willem (@wim66) ☠

821 days ago on Jan 25th, 2007 :) - embee

I joined twitter on 25 April 2007- happy anniversary to me!! - Brian Sheehan

910 days. Joined in 27 October 2006. - Martin Añazco

I joined twitter 153 days ago on 23 November 2008. On the other hand, I've been on FriendFeed for a year and Facebook for 5 years. - Bora Zivkovic

I joined twitter 309 days ago - DAL

i joined twitter 43 days ago - John Wood

Funny I joined Twitter on Feb 21 2006, the day after you. - Ernie Oporto from Nambu

July 29, 2008 - Kevin Whalen

778 days (March 9, 2007) - Kevin Tunis

My first account 13 July, 2006. My most used one, 12 February 2008. - jcunwired

723 days ago, 03 May 207 - Bill Rawlinson

\o/ I joined twitter on 20 December 2006 - Caers Mane

332 days - Damond Nollan

772 days - i was invited much earlier but didn't see the value for me (in nyc) since it was all about what silicon valley folks were having for lunch, wait has that changed ;) - mike "glemak" dunn

I joined on March 28th 2007 (759 days ago). - Daniel Rowley

769. What's next? Slashdot user numbers are now passe. What's the next measurement of geek coolness? - Andrew Leyden

at least 943 - one account Oct 2006, but I can't find the date for my main one. - randulo

I joined twitter 223 days ago - OnuRC

1 December 2006 - John Graham

I joined twitter on 30 November 2008 - http://whendidyoujointwitter.com ? - Roshan Ramachandran

I joined twitter on 23 January 2007, 823 days ago :) - CantorJF

303 days on Twitter, geez, what a newbie - Rick Bucich

769 days ago - Victor Panlilio from Nambu

495 im young compared to yall XD - Zafarali

Joined on 16 March 2007, 771 days ago. (Yes, WDYJT crashed yesterday) - Red Label

714 days - twitter.com/atveit - Amund Tveit

244 days on Twitter so far :) - Frode Stenstrøm

538 days joined on November 4th 2007 - BCK

Wow. I guess I joined the same day as you ;). What were we thinking?!? - Michael Lehman

695 days plus the days from an old account thats no longer found - Monique

863 days ago. I joined on 14 december 2006 - Cristian

986 days ago, 13 August 2006 - Sean Oliver

1015 days ago, 16 July 2006 - Dobromir Hadzhiev

886 as well - Michael Specht

funny! i joined Nov. 20th 2006 as well. :) - Eddie Codel

788 days ago. - Gunny doesn't side-hug™

27 August 2007 - Tony Vota

716 days - Ryan Dadey

Ok, I'll admit it, I've shamelessly hitched a ride on Robert's coat-tail by embedding the feed from this discussion into a page on my website. http://twitclicks.com/rlrn - Sharon McPherson

724 days! Joined during MIX07. - Gregg Le Blanc

I was only slightly exaggerating yesterday. I have been on for 863 days. I joined in December 2006. - Francine Hardaway

I joined twitter 786 days ago on March 1, 2007. - Rajiv Doshi

I joined a day after Scoble (November 21, 2006) - Michael Markman

I beat @techcrunch! But as usual I trail you by a couple of months, Robert. ;) - Denise Howell

782 days, joined on March 5 2007, wow didn't realize it was that long ago - Keith - @tsudo

421 days, joined on 1 March 2008 - I joined twitter and FriendFeed on the same day :) - Susan Beebe

912 days, cant believe I was there before you :-) - Patphelan

563 days - Peter Efland

762 days ago on the 27 March 2007 - Mick Stanic

Took me Twanalysis to finally find it .... Sept 12 '07 Late adopter? - Charlie Anzman

I joined twitter 179 days ago - http://whendidyoujointwitter.com ? - Geoff Jackson

Robert, check this out : http://whendidyoujoinfriendfeed.com/ - Ahmet Alp Balkan

IMified

FriendFeed Jabber/Gtalk IM bot - http://blog.imified.com/index...

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I think this is the origin of story!! March 26 was when I added the bot to my gTalk..!! - Jigar Mehta

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I like having each service as an individual contact. Much easier. Can we see the same for Pownce? - Chris Nixon

Well, IMified has taken bot to a next level.. I even created a customized option to check my google calendar appointments for today (a quick schedule for today) by interacting with bot! Not sure, if they have one for Pownce.. - Jigar Mehta from bTT

One year later. Just bumping this because it's the one year anniversary of the only item on FriendFeed to get more than 400 likes. (452 at the moment) - Ken Sheppardson

450. - Volkan Yılmaz ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶

Hi i am charles Camil ,i want to know you - charles

embee

Horsehead Nebula [Wallpaper] - http://interfacelift.com/wallpap...

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Edited from an original NASA image.. - embee from Bookmarklet

Nicholas Kreidberg

The Best PSD to HTML to WordPress Video Series Available - New Plus Tutorial - Nettuts+ - http://net.tutsplus.com/article...

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anyone being a tuts subscriber? is it worthy? - Dobromir Hadzhiev

Paul Buchheit

Mark Trapp won the hidden keyboard shortcut contest: up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, Tab, Enter (see http://beta.friendfeed.com/itafrom... and http://beta.friendfeed.com/paul...)

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To celebrate, I'm announcing four more shortcuts: gd (Go Direct messages), gm (Go My discussions), gb (Go Best of day), and q (Quiet, temporarily pause/unpause realtime). Also, gh (Go Home) should be working again. - Paul Buchheit

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cool :) thanks! and Congrats to Mark - that was wicked smart and fast!! - Susan Beebe

Thank you, Paul. Pause shortcut will be handy. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Niiiiice! - Micah Wittman

I should have known! Konami code ftw - Pat Hawks

Whoa! Changing colour scheme with secret kb shortcut. - Micah Wittman

Does this pause incoming likes and comments, or just entries? - Mitch

Select-Play-Select-3-0-Select? - Josh Haley

q is the best shortcut. you might want to call attention to these somewhere. in windows accelerators are underlined. q is so useful i'd be tempted to put something next to the pause button. a link to all keyboard shortcuts in the right sidebar would be a good idea. - Jason Wehmhoener

It's a FriendFeed Friday miracle! These shortcuts are awesome. I wouldn't have known where to start to figure it out without Paul saying "30 of them." - Mark Trapp

Happy Easter (Egg) Paul! - Jesse Stay

My mouse hand thanks you! Next, I'm hoping for 'j', 'k' to go up and down on discussions and 'c' and 'l' to comment and like on current entry. - Sam Grover

ohhh...all the keyboard shortcuts are killer thanks Paul! - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

OMG, so cool. It should be the default background. :D - bnoise

Totally should be the default background. Looks freaking AWESOME on a 24 inch monitor. - Robert Scoble

Man, this reminds me of my Contra days. - Josue Fontanez

It uses lots of CPU power. - bnoise

That is awesome! - Nicholas James

Zee.

Just had to show you guys, check out the similarities. The left is an outline of "publisher" (like Friendfeeds sharing tool) and check out the news stream to the right... That's not all, of course there's "likes", "lists" and "real time"......is Friendfeed going to lose out to Facebook??

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Let the best software win. - Zach Landes

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Nope. FriendFeed is a community. Facebook is a monster. - Larry Hudson

Ridiculous. - Shey, Jamaican of FF

ee direk friendfeed'i taşısalardı daha kolay olmazmıydı, olurdu. - Harun R. Demirbaş

I will continue to use both. - Russellreno

I dont like the way Facebook works. I'm still not used to their most recent change. And i dont like the way they keep incorporating other services ideas and passing them off as their own. :( - Simon Wicks

nop, facebook is evil... - Manuel de la Peña

Facebook sucks. The only thing I do on there is block applications and people. And try to convince my friends to move to twitter/friendfeed. - Jeremy Brooks

The average Facebook user is going to be overwhelmed if they give too many options or if they have to play with filters. They should not go overboard - people want to share photos and play, they don't need to dominate the world, that is for Twitter and FriendFeed. - Stuart Miniman

I like facebook to a certain extent, it's just so slow to load for me which makes me use it less. I <3 Twitter/friendfeed - Angela P.

FB and FF fulfill different requirements to me, mostly rooted in how the communities are set up. (In that 95%+ of my FB friends are real life.) - Andrew C

The difference is the community - there's only a select few people I'm friends with on Facebook that I'm also friends with here on Friendfeed. To me, Facebook is for your close friends and family. FriendFeed is for like-minded individuals. - Nathan Chase

@Nathan - I second that. - Kandeezie

I hate to say it but I reckon in the long run Facebook will win...I'm going to put my thoughts in a post though if u don't mind - Zee.

Zee - if we persist in comparing FriendFeed strictly to a social network, then I'd agree. Facebook will win. It's when you realize the information management potential of FriendFeed where the real differentiation becomes apparent. On FriendFeed we're not bound by the two-way follow model. And FriendFeed has a great use case around tracking information from the far-flung reaches of the social web. Whether from friends or anyone else. - Hutch Carpenter

LOL. - Admiral Anika

What's a "win?" If it's a question of who is the biggest lifestream aggregator, Facebook wins the instant they hit the switch. But if a win is the creation of a successful lifestream application, FriendFeed needn't have Facebook's mass. They just require a compelling product, users, and a business plan to match. Frankly, Facebook's users are mostly non-technical. I don't see FB offering the depth of FF's current feature set, and FF can bust out a lot more without overwhelming its user base. - Chris Baskind

I may blog about this but ... I think this is a huge mistake for Facebook. Why would you essentially introduce and train your millions upon millions of users on a FriendFeed interface? It's just making it easier for Facebook users to grok and use FriendFeed - and once they do ... I think they'll stick around. - AJ Kohn

I'm sorry, but, I don't see the mass of FB users migrating from the product. As long as the basic use of the software is simple...they will need to add features to keep the slightly more tech savvy users interested and not go stale. - Zach Landes

FriendFeed has quality. Facebook has quantity. - Louis Gray

+1 Louis (to FF via Facebook) - Charlie Anzman

I have to agree with Louis. Here, at FriendFeed, I feel like I get concentrated quality, full of useful info. On FaceBook, I can occasionally find something useful, but I really only find it useful for getting in touch with old high school and college friends. - Seth Greenblatt

Every time I go on facebook, I feel confused. Pulling for FriendFeed to stay in business. - Rick Cogley

http://friendfeed.com/e... - Darren Heydon

+1000 Louis! bingo! Facebook has the masses, FriendFeed has the community :) we rule of course! - Susan Beebe

++++ - Marco(aureliusmaximus)

Totally agree with Louis. Additionally; Facebook is still a walled garden - you'll never get the same sort of community on Facebook. - Mo Kargas

FB stems on friends, FF stems on topics. - Rick Cogley

Well said Larry - Facebook is a monster. - Bill

Thomas Hawk

Here is Why Facebook is not as Cool as FriendFeed and Why it Totally Makes My Head Hurt Sometimes - http://flickr.com/photos...

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No. Way. - LogEx

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-nuff said....or not said. I don't want any more snowballs thrown at me...PLEASE! - Jennifer Windrum

Yeah, all that crap is pretty annoying. - DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE

and you people complain about a little chapstick and lips every now and again. sheesh. I'd much rather see chapstick and lips any day of the week over getting a "crush jason alexmi" request or getting *two* sammy is sexy requests in the same day! - Thomas Hawk

=O - Shevonne

You know you can turn that off right? - Eric P

hahahahhaa - Shevonne

horrible - andy brudtkuhl

OUCCCCH (E.T. Voice) - sean percival

no doubt. i'm always blocking apps. i don't want play around with hatchlings or pieces of flair or get involved in any dang food fights. - Jason Shultz from twhirl

wow - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

That right there is the biggest reason I can't stand Facebook and I would dump it in a heartbeat if it didn't mean that all of my family and distant friends would instantly have a shitfit. - tinypants - Hagitha of FF

Also - Facebook = "Real life Friends". If you only friend people you're actually friends with it's actually a terrific application for keeping in touch. If you try to treat it like a Friendfeed/Twitter/MySpace then you wind up with a load of crap and its utility takes a nose dive. - Eric P

PREACH!! - Derrick

thankfully i've avoided this kind of garbage - chrisofspades

I block just about every app invite I get. I'm glad some people like it, but I despise ANY application, social network, or whatever that the second step in adding the app is to SPAM all of my friends with it. This is a terrible process and needs to be done away with. - Haggis (Sean Loyless)

I didn't add them. They are invitations. - Thomas Hawk

Totally agree with you. couldn't have said it better. - Karoli

Sean hit it perfectly. It's why I use Facebook as nothing more than an address book for people from my past. That has always made me sick, screen 2 is "Tell me who to spam!" - Matthew DeVries

@Haggis: Agreed. And I too block pretty much every app invite I get. The irritating part is when someone gets all uppity with me because I didn't return their snowball or superpoke them back. I'm like...srsly? You send me that ridiculous crap and then have the nerve to get mad at ME for not participating? - tinypants - Hagitha of FF

I am blocking most apps, because things can get outta hand ... - Rene Wirtz

@Amanda: I tell/have told all my friends that they can send those requests, but that I categorically deny all of them. It's surprising how that already decreases the number of requests. - Rene Wirtz

I do get tired of all that crap. My bro sent me a video to watch on Farcebook a few days ago, but to see it I would have to download yet another silly wall. I don't need more than one, nor do I need to install multiple calendars so you can see when my birthday is. Go to my profile. - Ian May

For every app invite i block, i seem to get twice as many the following day. Its better now their not all over people profiles pages when they do get added though. - Simon Wicks

Thomas - I think you're really gettign confused between Facebook and these leeches trying to suck off the Facebook platform. Just ignore them and these requests would never appear. Or better yet - DEfriend anyone who would be so stupid as to include you on a list of requests. JUST DUMP THEM - and everything will be fine. - Marc Canter

But seriously...you really should accept my Pirates vs. Ninjas request. - Adam

You're just waaaay too popular, Tom ;-) - Dave Fortheloss

Yep. I put a moratorium on adding apps and made that abundantly clear, but I still get all the cr@p. - Julie Barrett from twhirl

this is just one example of the silliness and boring nature of facebook. Frankly it's just not engaging. There's so much wrong with it and this is just the start. FriendFeed is a far superior platform for probably 100 different reasons. - Thomas Hawk

I have found that blocking invites from certain users and applications is very helpful. - Adam

@Thomas I agree with you 100%. I think FB is near unusable.. You're right it's not engaging - it's more of a distraction and there's very little value proposition for me to connect with people. I get the same with email/IM/flickr.. FF is far superior in my estimation - andy brudtkuhl

that's just crazy! insane! crazy?...insane? - .LAG liked that

Holy crap and I cry when I see 3 of them on my bar. - Admiral Anika

Just looked at this and confirmed that I have no interest in joining Facebook. - TranceMist

I'm not a fan of the tons of virtual goods and apps either, but I've got tons of friends who would qualify as "normal people" and cannot imagine living without FB. It's a rich way for them to keep in touch with people. I like FF a bunch but I also recognize the bandwagon effect that exists with FB. - Cecyl Hobbs

A picture is worth a 1000 words. - Eric Logan

*Brain cramp* - Shey, Jamaican of FF

HOLY FRAKKIN' FRAK - Josh Haley

Sweet baby Jesus - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah

I've just been blocking all Facebook apps. - Morton Fox

Are you shitting me? wow I don't even get that much action on Facebook. - Patrick from twhirl

INSANE Bro! - Francis Aldana

@Morton Fox: I do the same. Problem is that you have to opt out of each crappy app that anyone you know has managed to dig up. If you don't log in often and deal with these head-on, the simple act of opting out can be daunting. - Keith McCammon

It's striking how many people hate Facebook who nevertheless for various reasons feel unable to abandon it -- not so much a virus as a fungus. It's depressing to think that due to network lock-in my daughter may be stuck on it for years to come. - Tim Ostler

something will come along to replace it. it's the inevitability of things. - Jason Shultz from twhirl

I don't get why people who don't like apps don't block them all, or why people who do like them feel the need to send invites to everyone, let alone whine that you haven't accepted. Most apps I use have a button that shows your friends with the app, and I only send to those. - Alix Whitmire

@Keith IIRC there's a greasemonkey script that lets you block them all at once. - Alix Whitmire

Yep. Stuff like that's why I get the heebie jeebies about 5-10 mins after logging into Facebook. - Susan A. Kitchens

Ahhhhhh, the voice of reason! I'm so glad I'm not alone. - Rob Fahrni

RT yourself from June 2008? - ThePicMan

Sweet baby jesus on a stick! - Bec Rowe @d0tski

Jebus Herschel Krustovsky! That's ridiculous! - Abbas Haider Ali

You should make that your Twitter background. :) - Pete Delucchi

This post is what made me finally deactivate my Facebook account. I've had enough. - Rochelle

HUGE LOL - Kamilah Gill

aw man, what happened to the flickr image? - Kamilah Gill

yep, I just IGNORE these types of apps/notifications- I have SO many sent to me and I would literally need to quite my job to attend to them full-time. It's insane. I think 95% of them are a waste of time imho... there are always going to be those people who love to do the spamming but it doesn't mean you need to pay attention to them :) One part of FB that I also do not love. - Deanna Belle Govoni

This is one of the big reasons why I try and limit friends to people I know in person, and a few others who I can trust to not act like invite-wielding idiots. - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

that's crazy! - K.D.

Why would you blame facebook for you having idiot friends? - Richard Lawler

Who ever said Facebook is cool? It's a rambling mess suitable only for people with lots of spare time and nothing else to do with it. - Todd Brunner from twhirl

shit like that is what makes me hate FB. they need an option saying "please auto ignore all invites from everyone". i used to have a greasemonkey script which did it, but the bloody things are getting smarter - Terry O'Fee

Richard: Who said I have idiot friends? Intelligence has nothing to do with people trying to share their fave FB apps with everyone else, especially before Facebook put in limitations to keep apps from spamming their users' friends. - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

Thing is, once burned, twice shy. So only people I can trust to not send me lots of invites get to be friended to me on Facebook. - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

it's just some people. i know great people who forward every single email online. there's one person, ive given her an old yahoo email adress so i dont hurt her feelings :P - Terry O'Fee

Smart people catch on to spamming apps quickly, they recognize when they've been spammed, instead of signing up and passing them along, or continuing to request you join (insert game of the week.) If your friends can't figure out what's annoying to you, how can you expect Facebook to? - Richard Lawler

immediately block app requests as they come in! according to the picture there were not so many apps involved here, but blocking them from the beginning on spares you more invitations.. - Johannan Edelman

I thought my FaceBook was bad when requests piled up, but you definitely win! I don't feel quite so irritated about it, now ;o) - Seth Greenblatt

Yeah, that's one thing I hate about FB, those cutesy apps. I almost never participate in that... - Rick Cogley

Try Facebuprofen. - david beckwith

Just say no to 99.9% of all facebook apps and your problems are solved... :) - Walt Ruppar

Some of my friends are so annoying on FB that I have to permanently block all invites from them. Bloody Blood-sucking-vampire-stricken-greek-godish-monsters. - Aman

ha ha - Saravanan

Aman: Sad to see I'm not the only one who suffers so. - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

@Chris: Indeed it is sad. I am in the process of forming a group called "People who hate people". - Aman

WOAH! You know, I think it is funny, I removed ALL my apps the other day, AND told all my friends that I removed my apps, and they are STILL sending me app invites. If you keep up on it, it's fine. If you don't, it looks like this... /sigh - Danielle Closs

Friends oh Friends. - Aman

But FB is still better than the Google counterpart - Orkut. The sleaziest Social Website of all times. Their tag line : "Its so easy to get molested online, let us make it easier for you". - Aman

Holy Facebook Crap Batman! - Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕

Some apps are good but most are just spam. Good apps are hard to find but there are a few nice ones out there, I like the ff app and the twitter app. I also use the slayers app and the compare people app. I'm a little shallow. - Wesley Robin Guerrero

I hate the updates that I don't need. A large number of apps are useless. - Palak Mathur

Urgh! So true! - Vera

I just ignore pretty much everything that's not a message or a new friend request. - Jim Hearts FF

NADD - bifurcafe

if your notification board looks like this, you just seem to agree to all those useless "send xyz a flower/pet/other crap"-applications. ignore those and you'll have your personal internet-operating system based on your friends and your life - natadd from twhirl

DELETE BUTTTTTOOOONNNNN!!!!! - Susan Beebe

Mine looks almost as bad as that and I only have 8 friends (real life friends & family) - April Russo (app103)

Thanks for the pic Thomas, you've reaffirmed my decision to ignore all the app requests I get from friends with too much time on their hands. - pitlord from twhirl

Use http://www.ignoreall.com/ Cleans up everything in a jiffy. - Jauder Ho

I like FF for commenting on stories and seeing a discussion. I like FB for smaller discussions. FF bigest minus for me is the lack of a notification if someone specifically responds to me. - ChiliMac

Agree with ChiliMac. - Aman

That's a big list... I'm getting tired of hitting the ignore as well. - Gary Gifford Jr

Believe me, even a good confrontation with those slimy friends does do any good. They keep sending invites even after that. - Aman

I'd be a rich man if if I got a penny for everytime I click ignore. I'm just not making that much use out Facebook nowadays! That's why I decided to give FriendFeed a test trial. - Vincent Nguyen

This is why they made the block function, I've blocked over 500 applications and I don't get many requests anymore. I promise, it works. - Aaron Myers

It looks like facebook just threw up on your screen, IGNORE ALL!! And back away slooowly... - Peter To

I don't get it. I have 600+ friends on FB (not crazy huge, but not an insubstantial number). About once a week, I do a combo of ignore-app's and ignore-all-apps from a few friends, and voila! In about 1-2 minutes, I'm all set. 1-2 minutes a week. How many friends do you have on FB, Thomas? And how many years has it been since you've cleared things out? While I think FB shares some of the blame, is this situation any different than not cleaning *anything else* out once in a while? - Adam Lasnik

Robert Scoble

Friendfeed isn't dead yet. Friendfeed is indexable by Google. Facebook's "public" feed is not yet indexable. They are moving toward a public model, though.

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That's a HUGE difference between the two services. What I do here is for everyone and all services to index. Over on Facebook only my friends can interact wholly. - Robert Scoble

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With Twitter growth and now Facebook, an uphill battle awaits Robert - Mrinal Desai

Twitter, facebook and friendfeed are the 3 things Google has to Gobble up anyhow, at any price. By hook or crook. - Hardeep Singh Dang

Facebook is still - in large part - a walled garden. That creates advantages and disadvantages for them at this point. What we know (because the essential rules rarely change) is that in the long term walled gardens fall. - Brian Roy

Are "normal people" on FB yet? lol - David

open wins - kosmar

As far as I'm concerned FB is to commercialized and too much like AOL and MySpace. Not interested. - CW™

but Robert, only my geek friends are on FriendFeed. Everybody else is on Facebook, including my geek friends. Facebook is a far more significant service than FF right now. Point taken about google index though - David Jacobs

Facebook is Sam's Club (members only, watch and do only what they let you). Friendfeed more like is the public library, wikipedia. or the open web. - LogEx

As I mentioned on Twitter, Friendfeed is a pretty specific set of functions, where FBook spends too much time trying to be a social media operating system. I think FFeeds focus gives it a huge competitive advantage over Facebook. It is way easier for FriendFeed to be an awesome social feed service, where Facebook also has to be awesome at a whole bunch of other things. Facebook is trying to do too much and I think its going to be a disadvantage for them. - Ross Rader

No Logical Extremes, MySpace is Sam's Club. Facebook is maybe Target. FriendFeed is some smelly Magic the Gathering card room ;) - David Jacobs

Should we all take bets on whether Robert will be working for Facebook in the near future? - Brian Sullivan

Actually, I think Twitter growth helps Friendfeed. People are getting accustomed to following a large number of people they'll never meet. Facebook is the service that I'd worry about. It has to stay closed to be useful to consumers, but needs to open up to be relevant in the marketplace. They're boxed in. - Dennis Best

Are you suggesting that Friendfeed will be dead Robert? Once Facebook has opened completely? - Nick O'Neill

David, LOL. But Facebook is definitely not Target because I can walk into a Target without being a member and pay cash, and not have my personally-identifiable behavioral data put into a dossier to be sold later. - LogEx

I've said it before and I'll say it again. It isn't about one taking from the other... it is about growing the market in total. Combine the # of users of Facebook, Twitter and FF and it is a TINY % of the potential market. Anything that brings users into the market is good for all (right now). - Brian Roy

Nick: this is a significant challenge to friendfeed. It will be interesting to see how friendfeed differentiates itself. - Robert Scoble

Robert - I'm of the belief that FriendFeed has a great opportunity to track topics, content from throughout social media. Facebook will be limited to what your friends are up to. FriendFeed will be our curated, uber informaiton management service. - Hutch Carpenter

As I always say, I wouldn't have found all of you on Facebook. Facebook is about friends, FriendFeed is about community. - Eric @ CSTechcast.com

Lindsey/Brian: He's at a Facebook press conference, that's why he's saying a lot about Facebook. - Bruce Lewis from fftogo

Facebook's news feed doesn't page. That's boring. Once you've seen it, you've seen it. - Thomas Hawk

@LindseyDragun: i totally agree with you: no offense to FFers, I know or have met some of you in RL, but I'm more interested in the ideas and shares here, and follow hundreds of cool people I'll never meet. But on FB, 100% of the people I've friended I know, through past schools, work, or social settings. These services fill two completely different purposes for me, and I don't really want to mix them together. - .LAG liked that

Facebook's pushing a lot of interesting buttons but the UI is still a mess! - Charlie Anzman

what is Facebook for: http://petronillapaperdoll.tumblr.com/post... - PaperDoll

Facebook really is excited by FriendFeed. - Hutch Carpenter

++ Hutch! - Mona Nomura

robert, i think the three - twitter, friendfeed and facebook are three different aspects of a more realtime web. i think the only entity they threaten is google and whether google likes it or not, it needs to compete with them. i think it is not a competiton between one or the other for now. if i was to bet, google would acquire a FF and get their grove on. - Om Malik

if you google me, the first thing you get is my FF profile ;) - Roberto Bonini

Of course Facebook is eating Friendfeed's lunch. Commenting and Liking are the two major features that FF does really well. Indexability is a nice addition but it's not THAT valuable in the grand scheme of things (just like searching on Twitter really isn't that much of a killer app as the early crowd are making out). It comes down to relevance of searches. It is rare to search for a specific comment that someone made, but common to search for an article or information. - Tadhg Kelly

So that means that Friendfeed in reality is essentially Facebook for those that don't want to be on Facebook and deal with all of the rest of the stuff surrounding it. Which, as it turns out, is a smaller number of people than you may like. - Tadhg Kelly

I dont have a FaceBook account, and i WONT, till they open to google indexing spiders. Internet must be an open place, only in this way knowlege can be spread, like in twitter and FF XD ! - Rocky

"isn't dead yet" implies that it's dying... is it? - Pavel Senko

FB will always have much more than FF, and FF will always have much less. And thank god. At some point, a Yahoo vs. Google comparison will be in order. - Christopher Galtenberg

Nice call (Yahoo vs. Goodle) - I can see that. - James Hull

Hutch has it right in my opinion. FriendFeed is a data management service that transforms data into information. Part of that happens to involve the collection of personal (aka social) data. Facebook does not have this at its core - instead Facebook is firmly rooted in social interaction among defined people. - AJ Kohn

in France, my friends didn't heard about Friendfeed, they only sware by Facebook ! that's why FF is not dead, and won't be dead ! it will become a new trend in the next months !! or not ? - Alice Cordonnier

Facebook is the new AOL (in more ways than one). - April Russo (app103)

But what I dislike that Facebook is lifting the stuff from FF ..and without acknowledging - Varun Mahajan

Mark Zuckerberg, not exactly one for acknowledging, is he. - Christopher Galtenberg

Yes, they pointedly mentioned Twitter yesterday, but (to me) pointedly avoided mentioning FF - Chris Nuttall

From what I've read, Facebook's "Like" feature lacks FOAF functionality. Maybe it's better that their implementation not be associated with FriendFeed's. I imagine their version of "Hide" must be less useful too. - Bruce Lewis from fftogo

Robert Scoble

Facebook's new home page

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Facebook now has "hide" features and filtering. Nice. - Robert Scoble

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New home page comes starting next Wednesday. - Robert Scoble

So it is pretty much FF? - andy brudtkuhl

I bet they missed te oportunity to integrate real attention profiling... - directeur

Yeah - Facebook is completing its transformation into FriendFeed - Chris Saad

Good God let the bitch begin. Last summer that amount of complaining about the re-design was ridiculous. People complained like there was not UX and planning involved. I think the site re-design was a huge improvement. I look forward to the new design as well. - JP Holecka - Jaypiddy

Interesting - does that look like less external app and advert space? It does to me. - Ian D. Nock

Where do the ads go? - Eric @ CSTechcast.com

@Chris That's a good thing, sort of. I would rather see FF incorporate more robust profiles and other FB like features, but without the closed model. And you know, more like FF :) - Neal Jansons

I am sure the focus is more on the content now. Videos and pictures adn other media will be grabbing more space in there - Hardeep Singh Dang

looks like FF.... - anna sauce

looks like the nav has been streamlined -- as chris suggests, more like FF -- and the sidebar on right is ? groups, pages? guess we'll see soon enough - Adrian Chan

Facebook had "hide" features in the News Feed around 18 months ago. Remember the thumbs up/thumbs down? - Jamie

Well, they say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery... - Jemm

Yeah - "hide" has been there - show more of, show less of is very useful, and kicks FriendFeed's butt in terms of intelligence - Jesse Stay

So if FriendFeed is Apple, Facebook is turning into Taiwanese MSI.. ? http://bit.ly/mogsR - Thomas Bøhm

Thomas, LOL. - Onur Gündüz

I may reactivate activity on this new FB. But in that case I would do a pure reset of my friend list... Just like "some" did on twitter ;) Not that I have a huge list there, but not _the_ appropriate list - Jean-Charles VERDIE from twhirl

I hope they don't sacrifice the amount of information you can view above the fold for larger user pics. - James Simmons

You have to give facebook credit for iterating fast. I think that twitter and facebook should join forces and create a compelling alternative. - Edwin Khodabakchian

no it is getting provocative, really the future will prove it. but FB is playing a loose game - abdellah

it cost time money and resource to re-educated an audience, the large the audience the large the expenses, and FB audience is large how much it will cost to re-educate such audience to act like FF people do. - abdellah

Can't believe this - no originality. Complete rip. - James Hull

The complaints of "I don't understand Friendfeed" will have not weight if people use the new Facebook interface. - Andy Bakun

Yep, it's FriendFeed. Would be funny if app developers protested this obvious ripoff by NOT developing updates to their apps (Twhirl) to support Facebook. - KyleHase from twhirl

is this the silicon valley equivalent of waking up next to the severed head of your favorite horse? "we can steal your UI at any time, friendfeed. remember that." - Karim

That will work much better, although I'm getting used to ignoring the right hand column, I'll need to get used to ignoring the left hand column again. ;) - Daniel W. Crompton

Why so much hype around new FB page? Like you use it more than FRF ;) - Sasha Kovaliov(.com)

Sasha: this is a huge change. Not because of what you see, but because businesses and brands now are full members of the social graph. That will be an impact you'll feel over next two years. - Robert Scoble

well, full members if you fan or friend them. But you don't have to. And then they invade you less than they would on Twitter. - Prokofy Neva

Robert, agree. However, FB has to work hard these 2 years to make itself destination #1 on the web. I hardly go there - all important things just hit RSS or email. I wish RSS had more 2-way interaction. - Sasha Kovaliov(.com)

the FB move, is just an other move toward a more social service, some have to confess that in FB there is an equivalent of bull, even it is a social website, it is a set of million bull and those (family friend reduced set restraint) suffer from inter-bull interaction, this FB is to bring more interaction between people from different bull and this will be provided but the concept of fellower. and feed commenting like etc. is it risky!! yes - abdellah

how to argue that such feature can be a bad move for FB, just see the "group" evolution in FB. in FB people want one thing "be in a closed relation with their known relations", would people be open mind in FB and open their own bull to others bull!! this is all what future will tell. - abdellah

Sasha: That's why FriendFeed is so much better than Facebook. the ability for RSS to be embeded in your feed and be able to carry on a conversation about a storry in that RSS feed on FriendFeed is what makes FF so amazing. BUT, i don't know if i'd want everyone on FF to have the same access that friends on FB have access to about me. That's the problem. We need two sites for this unless someone can come up with way to make a profile partially private and available to only those you trust. That's key. - Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ

@Slayerboy, do you think that's why we don't have this extensive profiles (read "no profiles") on FRF? - Sasha Kovaliov(.com)

I think the new facebook homepage looks awesome. Some interesting changes are definitely taking place. The new input bar which you can just see will completely transform the service by placing an even greater focus on sharing media. No longer will it simply be a status update but an all in one sharing feature - Benno

@Sashe, yeah I think that's one of the reasons. I believe in openness and all that, but am not blind to the fact that a majority of people even have problems putting stuff on their facebook profile when they CAN set privacy settings. I think Facebook has a good idea with the whole Network thing, but there's no real communication there. If FF applied the network idea and let me specify who I want in my "Friends" and in my "Network", friends can access my profile, network can't, but we can all converse. - Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ

.....it would make it much easier and we wouldn't need two sites for this. I think that's what FF does with Rooms, but again, privacy vs non-privacy is an issue for profiles. - Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ

@Slayerboy I like the way Flickr does it - on adding a friend you mark them as a contact, friend or family. Cool idea that should be easy to implement and would save us from rooms and other stuff. - Sasha Kovaliov(.com)

@Sasha interesting, I use Picasa and just share the feed on FF. Never got into Flickr. Can't imagine it'd be hard to implement that on FF then. - Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ

Facebook now has Friendfeed! YATTAAA! :-) - Burak "cyrus" Bayburtlu

It seems to me like only the social media experts would compare Friendfeed/Twitter with Facebook. The rest look at them as apples and oranges. They are used differently - Andre P. Siregar

Andre, what do you mean by social media experts? - abdellah

I think the term 'social media experts' is used in this context to indicate 'stupid dumb-ass charlatans'. Hope that clarifies. ;-) - David Petherick from twhirl

so, may be I am one of them :) David - abdellah

Thanks, David :-). Although I would put it less harshly. - Andre P. Siregar

are you sure?!! I am still waiting for your definition Andre. what is a social media expert? - abdellah

I thought the smaller companies were supposed to be the most agile? Here we have the battleship turning inside the destroyer. FriendFeed is still mostly what it was a year ago. Facebook has redesigned twice. Impressive. - Chris Baskind

Abdellah, here's all I'm saying. There's been tons of serious discussions on Friendfeed/Twitter and Facebook, allegations and accusations that one copies the other, etc. etc. I don't understand why spend the energy. The majority of the 175mill Facebook users are there simply to connect with actual friends. Simple example: I respect Robert Scoble's opinion on new technology, but I don't care what he is doing at home tonight. But I do want to know what my sister is doing, 1000 miles away - Andre P. Siregar

Andre, I respect your opinion and how you use social service, now I was about the label of "social media expert" , I hope that you aren't about self claimed guru, that all. we are all expert and none is :) peace. - abdellah

The new Facebook Page layout makes it more difficult to highlight video content. Video is now relegated to tabs or below the immovable Fans box on the Wall page. Not great if video is a key part of your content strategy and you want to make it prominent. - Simon Taylor

I like the new setup as I updated my company's page yesterday. I approve FB! - Jeremy Campbell from twhirl

I'm not going back to Facebook - my mom's on it now:) - Aaman (Clone of FF)

Facebook is the Microsoft of 2009, mimicking FF, Twitter, slowly taking shape as THE communications platform for the masses. Big mistake turning FB Pages into a profile page, though, businesses lose any branding. Looks like a college kid designed it. - mark ivey

看上去结构更清晰 - 阿石

Robert Scoble

Facebook just laid down the gauntlet to friendfeed. The new Facebook looks awesome. Of course we need to try it first, but this takes the real-time web forward.

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Not to mention Twitter now looks second rate to both friendfeed and Facebook. - Robert Scoble

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We shall see. - Eric @ CSTechcast.com

@robert i wouldnt classify twitter in the same category as FF and FB - andy brudtkuhl

Are you referring to some new changes your viewing privately? - Mark Krynsky

isn't it the people using the service that matter. losers from my high school friend me on facebook and have nothing to say. i interact with all walks of life on twitter. that's what it will always be about to me. - Jeff DiStanlo

Also I think FB and FF (obviously) have completely different markets regardless of cross functionality. (yes, im a FB hater) - andy brudtkuhl

eric schmidt would - Todd Randolph

Seeing is believing. I will wait till it goes live. remember the last time facebook had the kind of opposition with a new design. I always liked it though. - Hardeep Singh Dang

@Jeff - exactly - andy brudtkuhl

Wow looks amazing can't wait to start using this - Peter du Toit (S.Africa)

They got close to unlimited friends. They sucked up to Arrington, but this will let us both create pages where we can interact with large groups of people in public and also keep our separate friends and family controls so we can see just stuff from our families, for instance. This sounds very good. - Robert Scoble

@Todd eric shmidt would what? - andy brudtkuhl

i agree it's a step ahead, but i don't think friendfeed is in danger. it's the users over the platform, right? - David Bisset (sn)

yeah it really looks like an evolution, ending at FF - anna sauce

I don't get it. Facebook isn't an aggrigator. It can't do what FF does. Facebook spits out it's information stream to FF, where I gather all my other streams in one place. - Matthew DeVries

the question is...will we let one company be our everything for social messaging, or do we force the industry to follow a service model...and spend the next 20 years sorting out standards like we did with HTML/CSS? - Dave Powell from twhirl

meh - LogEx

Facebook has so much twitter and friendfeed envy, its not even funny. Still, when they got the eyeballs... - Jarrod Morgenstern

Technological superiority does not mean it will win (ref. Betamax versus VHS) :) I think Twitter´s basically just simple protocol and API provide a freedom to create strange spinoff services and imaginative clients which a lot of people value. People want a tool not a finished piece of art behind glass. - Thomas Bøhm

It feels to me like Facebook will be to social networking and services like FriendFeed what Windows is to operating systems and Linux/etc. Easy enough for your parents to use, not necessarily the best out there, has momentum, enough market share that they can sorta do whatever they want, etc. - Ken Sheppardson

I disagree Matthew, Facebook is an aggregator. That's exactly how I use it mostly. - David Jacobs

David: It only aggregates through their bizarre ass application system, that won't let you even have a feed unless you give them 5 friends they can bug first. - Matthew DeVries

What it looks like is nothing without who you're following. My FF and FB friends DO NOT overlap. The UI is moot without community. - Admiral Anika

I use all three so differently I cant see one taking the business of the other from me. I interact with a lot of different types of people on Twitter. Facebook is pretty much friends only and FF is more of an aggregator for me to see what is going on in different sectors. The conversation is more discussion and less conversation to me. Twitter is where I have the conversations what some might say I used to use the phone for. - Sidney

I don't intend to make friends with all of you on facebook (or really any of you). But I like reading what you have to say here. Long live FF. - Christopher Galtenberg

FB is for spying and sharing photos with real friends and family, FF for conversation, twitter for news and interesting links - Ryan

I don't think Facebook move challenges the niches of Friendfeed or Twitter. Friendfeed and Twitter never have been able to challenge the Facebook niche, because that was all about sharing content in private with friends. Twitter and Friendfeed are for the people who like the open web, for the people who live (at least part of) their life in the open. Likewise, facebook photos is not a challenge to Flickr. - Meryn Stol

I don't have a Facebook account anymore. The content on Facebook means nothing to me. - Meryn Stol

Robert Scoble

Mark Zuckerberg just shredded your yellow pages. HUGE day for Facebook (photo):

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How did he do that? Updates please. - Hardeep Singh Dang

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He just announced that brands and celebrities would be "full members" in the social graph. That is a HUGE shift in Facebook's strategy. - Robert Scoble

Robert, what does "brands and celebrities would be 'full members' in the social graph" mean? Why do celebrities matter? Oy, these guys are going to become MySpace. Just another crappy pickup website. - Rob Fahrni

details please... - John Czwartacki

english please! - David Bisset (sn)

@Robert Scoble: so instead of being fan "pages" they'll be actual profiles? - nick

well i guess this is their answer to the user growth.. i dont really care for it.. - Adam Snodgrass

They should change their name to MyFace - Darin Codon

is it a small step from brands to companies and organizations of all types? - Dan Brickley

That's strange, my yellow pages are right here, unshredded. But I will keep a keen eye on its imminent destruction. - Omar Gallaga

who has yellow pages anymore? - Deva Hazarika

Going back to mail2ff from OurDoings, eh? Anything I can fix? - Bruce Lewis from fftogo

Deva: I have them. They are yellow. - Omar Gallaga

Isn't this what Rupert said they were - facebook = phonebook? He saw MySpace as diffferent and o-so-much better. Wonder if he's still going to use that argument. - Tom

@Darin: there already is a MyFace (http://www.myface.com/) so they can't :P - Rene Wirtz

http://blog.broadbandmechanics.com/2009... - FINALLY! - Marc Canter

It just looks like another site reorg like they just did a few months ago. FaceSpace still isn't Twitter or FriendFeed. - Ernie Oporto from Nambu

Yellow PAges is AWESOME = for Firewood in Fireplace - Deborah Micek

Good lede on twitter, but nothing useful upon clickthrough. Bad journalistic tactic. - Michael Krakovskiy

The last dead tree version of the yellow pages I have is from 1998 - don't miss it so never chased phone company - Andy Beard

Michael : the rest of my feed here has a TON of stuff. - Robert Scoble

how are they going to make money, that's what I want to know - Ryan

Robert Scoble

The hottest netbook? Asus Eee PC 1000HE. I want this one. - http://blogs.computerworld.com/apple_n...

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Is this the best netbook out there? Looks like it to me! - Robert Scoble from Bookmarklet

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Looks well loaded. Lots of memory, and a nice sized display. It's not much different than the one I recommend. It would be nice with an Nvdia chip. Nice choice though. - Michael Fidler

Will it run OSX, or was that just something the reviewer desired? - Michael Fidler

I preordered one from J&R for $340 http://is.gd/iqCK - Cassidy

Great machine! I think I'll order one. - Jorg Jansen

Hopefully it will last longer than my EeePC 1000H that just died inexplicably,after only 4 months of service. - Emee Pumarega

Pretty sweet. - Mike Nayyar

Just an FYI, this does not come with the GN40 chipset!! - Cassidy

sexy machine, but I think I'll wait until they start shipping these with Windows 7 pre-installed. - Jeff

15" or more for me only. Can't stand tiny, low-DPI screens. Waste of money if it's less than 1680x1050 and that's still pushing it... - mjc

It's a great one. I think this, MSI Wind and Samsung's NC10 are the best u can currently get. - Sebastian Valmont

The hottest netbook for me is Lenovo S10E.. cause I just got it myself =) love it - Qbat

I couldn't use a netbook for very long without wishing for a larger screen, better keyboard, faster processor and better graphics. I'm with MJC on this one. I bought myself an ASUS for Xmas, but it was a 15.4" multimedia model. - jcunwired

I want that one too it's really easy to use but I first I have to sell my hp tx2500z :) help me sell it lol - Live Crunch Blog from twhirl

Windows 7 runs surprisingly well on the current generation of Atom N270 netbooks. Screen resolution is the real limiting factor, though: http://www.mobilecomputermag.co.uk/2009020.... (Mac OS X runs well too, but more on that anon...) - Jules

did some searching, but think I will wait untill the PC T101H from asus eee is available. The touchscreen, gps module and tv tuner will make it complete. - Jorg Jansen

not sure how different it is from 1000H which I own already - Ihar Mahaniok

If I were to get a Netbook, there's a good chance it would be this. However, it comes with Windows XP only, and not Linux, which is disappointing to me. But it does look sweet, I have to admit. 1024x600 on a 10" screen seems a little limited... but the battery life seems to be really rocking! - Colin Charles from twhirl

You might want to wait for the Dell Mini 10: http://snurl.com/bkb6p. More details coming on Direct2Dell.com soon. - LionelatDell

among netbooks this is an incremental upgrade in terms of the next atom processor, front side bus, battery life & ram upgradablility. the rest is pretty much what the msi wind & other netbooks have already -6 cell batt, bluetooth, 802.11n, slightly smaller keyboard. the big difference is that the *dual core* atom processors are expected by fall. by then, netbooks will hit a new milestone. so, like i said before, this is an incremental spec upgrade. - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

Or wait for the Asus T91 convertible tablet. - Rodfather

It's a nice netbook, but I'm much more interested in the HP Mini 1000 :) - Michael Forian

I'm thinking of waiting until there are netbooks that use dual-core Atom CPUs. Those may be out later this year. - Morton Fox

I prefer the MSI Wind U100. Their 10 inch netbooks were shipping last fall. The U120 is even better in several respects. It will be interesting to see what Dell offers. - J.D. Deutschendorf

I ♥ Asus EEE forever - @CrystalinaB

thanks for posting this, i've been looking, but nothing really struck my attention till this one, thanks! - aDay Late`

Robert Scoble

Reasons why friendfeed's new search features justify my investment in friendfeed, discuss here:

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I have spent more than 2,000 hours in friendfeed. I have clicked "like" on 15,822 items. I have commented on 8,048 items. That is a HUGE investment in time (I've been blogging a lot less over the past year). These new search features bring HUGE benefits. I will discuss why here. - Robert Scoble

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Clearly the main reason is to find things that you posted/liked in the last. - David Wilson

First, the new search features are discussed over on friendfeed blog here: http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009... - Robert Scoble

1. Now you can search based on number of comments an item got. So, I can search for all items that contain the word "Obama," for instance, but I can tell it to only show me items with 10 likes or more. THIS IS HUGE because it shows which items got HUGE engagement. Here is that search: http://friendfeed.com/search... - Robert Scoble

Wow, I didn't even notice that. Very useful. - David Wilson

Ability to refine searches for comments is a killer app. - Mike Nayyar

Hmm, does it actually let you search for a user's name/handle in the comments/content of an item, without giving you a load of "$PERSON liked this" results, even when their name/handle don't appear in the content or any attached comments? - Tyson Key

How close are we to being able to hide based on the criteria? - Brian Sullivan

Close... so... close. If we could create that search and have it form a real-time feed... that would do it for me. Historical search with the ability to follow the search in real time. - Brian Roy

2. Now you can search based on numbers of "likes" an item got. For instance, now I can say show me all items with "netbooks" in the title that have 10 or more likes. This is HUGE because it removes all noise and shows only items that got a lot of interest from the community. Here's that search: http://friendfeed.com/search... - Robert Scoble

Awesome! Makes Friendfeed less noisy to me. I agree some search fine-tuning would be nice. Still, this helps a lot. - Pam Baker

2,000 hours jeez they should pay you - andy brudtkuhl

Brian: yeah, I want real-time views into this data. That is a prerequisite to "track." Also, I need RSS feeds from these searches that I can shove into a room. I can't figure out how to do either of those two things. - Robert Scoble

I must be a dummy. I can't find how to do that on the site. However, I did read on the blog that it exists. How do I get to it? - Francine Hardaway

This can really cut down the noise in a search. For example, here's a search for items that mention the Steelers and only contain comments with the word towel. And you could also do the reverse. Cool. http://friendfeed.com/search... - Tom Landini

Andy: I'm pretty sure it is actually a lot more than 2,000 hours. I'm on friendfeed almost every minute I'm awake and not doing something else. - Robert Scoble

I didn't see it anywhere... sadly. I'm also looking to see if these advanced searches are supported by the API... if they are it is a boon for applications that swarm to subjects/topics. - Brian Roy

OK, I'm totally liking the new search features...Now I can finally see who's shouted out to me in posts without getting a lot of "Robert Scoble" noise in the results. - Alex Scoble

Aah, to answer my own question, the intitle: attribute seems to do the trick, cool. - Tyson Key

i still dont like "likes", but its an interesting idea to search what you want.. - Terry O'Fee

3. You can search for times a specific person has written something. For instance, I can now see how many times Bret Taylor has written the word "bacon" in one of his titles: http://friendfeed.com/search... By doing this I learned that Bret wrote the word "sex" twice as often as he wrote "bacon." :-) http://friendfeed.com/search... - Robert Scoble

Francine - just hit search with nothing in the box... that takes you to advanced search. - Brian Roy

robert - just don't type "mona" and "bacon" - the search will take days,,, - Terry O'Fee

The other day I was trying to search for your video on how to use ff. I wanted to share it with someone who is new here. But, I couldn't find it. I had to go to your site to find it. When I saw the title of your post, I realized why my search might have missed it. I don't know if these changes would have made a difference, but any improvement is welcomed in my book! I'm going to try it again and see if the changes help. - Michael Fidler

You get to the advanced search here: http://friendfeed.com/search... - Robert Scoble

Terry: Here's a search for "bacon" but from Mona's feed with two or more likes: http://friendfeed.com/search... - Robert Scoble

I love it, you can search just specific services, too. Like JUST TWITTER!! Check this out, these are all my tweets that have 20 or more likes: http://friendfeed.com/search... - Robert Scoble

very cool thanks for sharing Robert... Also of note you can grab the RSS feed from the search results (via Firefox addr bar only so far) - this is cool for those of you like me who use search subscriptions for research - andy brudtkuhl

and FF is so well indexed in google. yesterday I talked about backtype in italian and after few hours was already the 5th result searching "backtype" in that language - ezekiel

Terry: likes are metadata that you can use to improve your searches. Now you can see why people who are noisy on "liking" things are only hurting themselves. - Robert Scoble

Michael F makes a good point. I struggle with finding stuff I have liked or commented on before. I hope the new search function helps with that. - Amani

On a search for SEO if this was useful, I would end up with a list of posts similar to the Semmys finalists (though those are still personal preference). However I get http://friendfeed.com/search... which isn't exactly useful unless I wanted every conversation on FF that included the acronym - probably worse results than a potential Scobleizer post about lawnmowers ending up ranking in Google - Andy Beard

Here's a cool search. It shows you ALL items from EVERYONE that has gotten five likes and two comments (or more): http://friendfeed.com/search... - Robert Scoble

Robert: to get an RSS feed, append &format=atom to the end of the url after doing a search - Daniel Sims

Andy, to search for a term in only the entry title, use "intitle:", e.g. – http://friendfeed.com/search... - Dan Hsiao

Dan - so that means the API works too... hmmm wonder if that URL is rate limited. - Brian Roy

frienfeed is the next (social) search engine and these new features are a new big step to the right direction... - Simone Lovati

robert - ive noticed that the people who get "likes" are usually the ones who mass spam likes to everyone else... - Terry O'Fee

It worked! I can see what your talking about Robert. You have a lot of content here, but I found the post of yours I was looking for with relative ease:-) http://is.gd/ihXV - Michael Fidler

Terry: if you use a combination of "likes" and "comments" you can dramatically filter out a lot of noise. - Robert Scoble

you have a lot more people though, robert.... - Terry O'Fee

My first comment ever on FriendFeed. I cannot figure this place out yet. I'm sure it is wonderful though. - Hummie

Stick with it Hummie! - andy brudtkuhl

Once you can create a feed from the search results and make an imaginary friend for that feed then search will become useful for me. Of if you could search on a certain criteria and get the results sent to gtalk in realtime (aka track) will it be useful for me. Right now it is helpful but not of great use for me. - J Allen

Wow, I have more comments made than you? Wouldn't have guessed that. Yes, it is indeed an investment and this is very good news, Robert. - Josh Haley

"Also, I need RSS feeds from these searches that I can shove into a room." This would be a huge feature. It would really up the ante in creating useful rooms. - Doug Hudiburg

To get an RSS feed of any FriendFeed search result, just append "&format=atom" (without the quotes) to the end of the URL. Violå! :-) - Josh Bancroft

Thank you, that's what I needed. - Wallace

wow ! @Josh Bancroft, youre the man !!! just what i need !! it works !! - Rocky

@Josh thank you! - Alfredo

This is just so cool. FF rocked before, now it's just plain awesome :) - Nicola Quinn

I thought of you when I read FF blog yesterday: that's what you were asking when we met in Barcelona! - Jordi Soler

Robert Scoble

To new friendfeeders (there are thousands due to Twitter invites and follows), here's what you need to know:

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1. Likes are important. They share items with your followers. Plus, they make a cool database. Mine are at http://www.friendfeed.com/scoblei... - Robert Scoble

2. If you are seeing too many things, turn off "friend of a friend." Click "hide" on one of the "friend of" items. Then click it again to see the options to hide all items like it. - Robert Scoble

3. Hide is your friend. #2 already shows you how you can use hide in one way, but I use it to hide all Twitter messages that don't have a comment or a like. This makes friendfeed much more useful. Also, all hidden items are at the bottom of each page. - Robert Scoble

Anyone else? Please add to the list. Lost is on, so I'll see how many I can bang out during commercial breaks. - Robert Scoble

There are many, many good intro to FF articles. Zee has written several - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

So is this going to be another 25 things you didn't know about...post ? ;-) - Jeff P. Henderson

Joining rooms can often cause lots of noise also if you have them showing up in your main feed. - Jeff P. Henderson

I just discovered "Rooms" today. If there's a particular topic you're interested in for example: TWIT, iPhone, Twitter, Identica, etc. - hop on over to that room - and start up or contribute to existing conversation. It's addictive! - Cole Orton

Tina: link them in here. - Robert Scoble

Creating lists and grouping your friends is a good way to cut down on noise or see a focused set of posts. - Jeff P. Henderson

4. You can "group" your users together into things called "lists." For instance, if you think I'm a noisy asshole, you can remove me from your home feed and put me into a list called "noisy assholes." That way you can see all your family and friends and not me. Of course, please do come over and check out your noisy asshole list, because sometimes we do say something interesting. I hope. :-) - Robert Scoble

5. You will, most certainly, find your productivity decrease. Though your ability to be entertained and waste on the Internet will surge! :) - Jeremy Toeman

5. This is a forum but with a couple of differences from forums you've used before. First, moderation is totally decentralized -- you can delete comments under your items, I can delete comments under mine. If you see spam or other stuff that's not good you can delete those by using the "More" menu. Second, everyone's view is different based on who they follow. So, if it's boring here it's your own fault! You aren't following exciting enough people! - Robert Scoble

6. Items with graphics and photos generally get more likes than items without. - Robert Scoble

take note of the photos advice - I was posting items without and completely being ignored. - Nation Hahn

7. Rooms are very cool and it will take you a while to discover why. Hint: you can build your own ego room, and bring in RSS feeds from search engines and news services. I've built a room for Davos/World Economic Forum, for instance, where you can see this in action: http://friendfeed.com/rooms... - Robert Scoble

8. If you say "bacon" in your posts you will get some likes. People here go crazy for bacon. Oh, and if Tad starts a meme you have two choices: block everyone who participates or join in for the next day or two! - Robert Scoble

6a. To make photos from your WordPress blog come through to FriendFeed, just install the Media RSS plugin "mrss": http://wordpress.org/extend... - Daniel J. Pritchett

9: Most of your friends will not get friendfeed. That won't stop me from talking about it, though. - Robert Scoble

RE: #9 Or the third option, hide memes on an as needed basis. Some are more enjoyable than others. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

10. Make sure you add all your services to friendfeed. Including Twitter. Let your followers hide items or services they don't care about. - Robert Scoble

11. To see cool stuff, click on "Best of" on the top right, but note that behaves differently depending on where you are (each list will have a different "best of" and each room, too. - Robert Scoble

10a. Everybody expects everybody to hide services. It's not rude to use the "Hide" feature on your friends' stuff. - Bruce Lewis

12. You can see everything you've liked or commented on, and so can all your followers (just visit the "Me" page and look in top right for the links -- or visit someone else's friendfeed account and see the same links on THEIR account!) - Robert Scoble

"Like" means you like that a person shared something, not that you necessarily like the news itself. But for the benefit of other new friendfeed users you might comment to explain your "Like" for a plane crash item. - Bruce Lewis

13. Looking for more people to follow? Try http://friendfeed.com/setting... but note that the recommended items will change depending on who you've followed. So, if you follow noisy assholes, it will probably suggest other noisy assholes for you to follow. :-) - Robert Scoble

14. It is OK to ignore trolls who are trying to disrupt the conversation like Chris White is here. But if they get really out of hand block them. You do that by unfollowing them (visit their page and you'll see that link at the top of the page). After unfollowing them you'll see an option to block them. Blocking them keeps them from seeing your items and will remove everything they do from your view. - Robert Scoble

17. If enough people comment simultaneously, the system acts a little wonky. - Jeremy Toeman

(Note: Chris is OK, he's just playing along here, but I do block other people who get out of hand). - Robert Scoble

18. If you hover over someone's name with your mouse you'll see whether or not they are following you (and whether or not you are following them). I can see here that Chris White isn't following me. Which means he is bad boy and should be sent to bed without dinner. - Robert Scoble

26. Friendfeed commentors are often so eager to add to lists sequentially they barely even notice obvious gaps in list numbering (which, you'll also notice is manual, because nobody taught the google guys about the OL tag) - Jeremy Toeman

19. Everything on friendfeed builds a feed you can subscribe to in Google Reader or other RSS readers. - Robert Scoble

Jeremy loves messing with me. I'll get him back. :-) - Robert Scoble

20. In "Tools" you'll find lots of stuff for your blog, how to email in items and photos, and more: http://friendfeed.com/about... - Robert Scoble

21. Morton Fox has liked 44,943 things. I have no idea how he does it cause I like a lot of things and I've only done 15,000 or so. http://friendfeed.com/mortonf... is his like feed. - Robert Scoble

15. (yup, that's where we actually left off) It's okay to "like" something distasteful. "Like" really just means "others should read this too". It's also quite overused, much as the word "like" is overused in conversation by anyone who born after the 70s. - Jeremy Toeman

22. You can see anyone's real-time feed, which shows you what is actually coming into their account at that time. Here's mine: http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... warning, it'll make you dizzy. - Robert Scoble

A good first lesson is; there is no chronological Friendfeed. Don't think you can keep up. Ride it out and enjoy. - Andrew Smith

23. The "Everyone" tab is useful, but only if you figure out that friendfeed has an interesting search engine underneath. For instance, you can go to the Everyone tab and search only YouTube videos. (Click Everyone, then search for say "Daft Punk" and use the "Advanced" feature in search to constrain it to only YouTube). - Robert Scoble

Andrew is right. Don't worry about missing stuff. I call it "media snacking." If I have time, I'll dip in here to engage. I'll check the "Best of" pages first, though, to catch up on the popular stuff (usually bacon or a photo meme). - Robert Scoble

16. Comments cannot be nested, nor can you link to a comment, or even like a comment. You can add another comment and write "+1" to indicate you like another comment, or a higher number, such as "+10" if you very much like a comment. "+100" is to be reserved for the ultimate in commenting. Do not be silly with the "+" system, as this is worth a -4 in case you need to make Friendfeed saving throws later on. Instead, be wise and prudent with your +1s, and they will become your ally for years to come. - Jeremy Toeman

We never talk much about the search feature. Anything outstanding about it worth mentioning? - xavier vespa

xavier: search is a great way to find friendfeed items that you have put into the system. Click on "Me" and then search. Here's everything in my account that includes the words "how to save journalism:" http://friendfeed.com/search... - Robert Scoble

re:16.+10++4=+1@Jeremy - Andrew Smith

Elevnty. Subscribe to Tad - Internet's Tad

xavier: here's another thing search does very well. Go to "Everyone" and search on something. Now click "advanced" search. I want to know about all the BarCamps that everyone has added to their Upcoming.org site. Here's the search for that: http://friendfeed.com/search... - Robert Scoble

Search should include rooms but it doesn't. - Andrew Smith

Unfortunately everyone is now trying out search and it goes down. It's the only thing on friendfeed that is not reliable yet. They are working on it, though. When it comes up, another thing I like about search is you can see items just from one data type. Here are all the items from just Upcoming.org: http://friendfeed.com/... - Robert Scoble

31. If you get swept away into friendfeedland, don't try to bring others with you. They will mock and ridicule, and no matter what you say they just "won't get it." This is perfectly okay, they may change - or not - but it shouldn't impact your friendfeeding. Don't ever ask real world friends if they saw something you "liked". They didn't. Ever. - Jeremy Toeman

Very helpful - James Jackson

Jeremy: I solved that. I just got new friends. :-) - Robert Scoble

You school em Scoble ~ lousy twits - sofarsoShawn

Chris: you gave bad advice when you said to unsubscribe from someone if they are noisy. That's really stupid. Put them into a list instead and remove them from your main list. That way you'll be able to check on them from time to time and see if anything they did is useful. Also if things are noisy due to me it's probably due to the friend-of-a-friend feature and you can turn that off without unsubscribing (I have turned it off on my account, those hidden items are at the bottom of the page). - Robert Scoble

Also, that way they won't think you're a jerk for unfollowing them. - Robert Scoble

Chris is right. You can also edit your comments, or your posts. Which is often useful. But you can only delete other people's posts, you can't edit THEIR comments. And you can only delete comments under items you've started (I could delete Chris's comments, for instance, here, but not on other people's items). - Robert Scoble

@Robert that's like leaving the Christian Rock station as one of your presets just on the off chance they'll accidentally play Sympathy for the Devil. sure, it *could* happen, but the odds suck. - Jeremy Toeman

A product made by former Google employees with unreliable search? That's a little ironic. :) - David Potts

28. Never anger the Mona. - Jeremy Toeman

David: search on real time items is a pretty tough problem. Even Google hasn't attempted that one yet. Here's a little test for you. Add a weird word to a comment. Say your son's name. Mine is Milan Scoble. Now wait a minute. Search on that name and you'll find that post in the search results. Google can't do anything close to that. - Robert Scoble

I'm not blaming them, just pointing out the irony. You're right though, I wasn't considering the real time aspect of it. - David Potts

Jeremy - what did I miss? LOL - Mona Nomura

29. If you work very, very hard and get more of your own content liked than anyone else's, while at the same time manage to get more followers than anyone else, you will be dubbed the King (or Queen) of FriendFeed. A ceremonial Cape, Gavel, and oddly enough Toothbrush will be sent your way to show off to your peers. You will also receive a 7% discount card good at all participating Chick-Fil-A establishments. All your content on FriendFeed will be permanently bolded. In a nutshell, you be the awesomest! - Jeremy Toeman

Chris White got blocked by me because he deleted all his comments here. Nasty. - Robert Scoble

I missed it... were his comments useful? - Lindsay

Lindsay: no. Actually he was being a troll the whole way through. - Robert Scoble

Chris White has done that several times with me, so I ended up blocking him after the fourth or fifth time. :| - Mona Nomura

@Lindsay: they were like poetry. they were uplifting. they elevated us to a new place. and now, i fear, they are no more. those bits shalt not be seen again, possibly not in our lifetime. another way to say it might be... "I felt a great disturbance in the Friendfeed, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened." - Jeremy Toeman

Mona: yeah, that kind of attitude sucks. But he demonstrated a new thing: if you behave like an asshole you will get removed from our view. (and ours from his so he can't disturb us anymore). - Robert Scoble

Seriously, I don't care if you disagree with me, just be cordial and amicable. If you type out your thoughts, stand by them - why delete? If you make a mistake, apologize or edit, if need be. That's why I like you, Robert. You are opinionated but when you feel like you're wrong, you're man enough to admit it, without resorting to personal attacks. That said, I should've listened to you from day one: block jerks. - Mona Nomura

yes, block jerks... easy rule to follow. If jerk = block! Why would someone delete all their comments?...that makes the entire comment thread get all incoherent. That is sooo lame it's making me laugh... reminds me of grade school antics... gees - Susan Beebe

I agree with Susan. Deleting comments is completely lame. I know that I've managed to say some rather jerky things on threads in the past but if I typed it out, I'll stand by them. - Mark Wilson

32. Ask yourself: would you follow you if you were someone else? If the answer is "yes" ask yourself again, just in case :-) - Cristian Vidmar

If you become overwhelmed by the amount of information in your feed try these tips for cleaning and organizing your feed. http://bit.ly/14y - Keith - @tsudo

Best list yet Scoble. You should import the recommendations into a single post so new friendfeeders don't get put off by all of us commenting. - Keith - @tsudo

awesome, tx for the search tips. custom search + rss = booyaka! - xavier vespa

Thanks from a FF Newb! - James Cruce

Great list and comments, as always. I don't see anything however, on the use of lolcats?? Can they be used at any time? :) - Laura Zickus

Other guides to friendfeed are here: http://www.google.com/search... - Robert Scoble

Jesse Stay

Here's why I think FriendFeed will succeed:

January 21 - Comment - Like - Share

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Robert Scoble is making lists - watch the types of lists he's making, and each one links back to FriendFeed: - Jesse Stay

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1) He's teaching his Twitter followers how to use FriendFeed: http://friendfeed.com/e... - Jesse Stay

2) He's teaching his Twitter followers how to attract more followers on FriendFeed - Jesse Stay

3) He's educating people on the flaws of Twitter and strengths of FriendFeed: http://friendfeed.com/e... - Jesse Stay

4) He's showing how "like" is a much more complete solution than "RT": http://friendfeed.com/e... and http://friendfeed.com/e... - Jesse Stay

5) With these lists, he's showing how easy it is to organize data on FriendFeed, aggregate from anywhere, and publish back out other places: http://friendfeed.com/e... - Jesse Stay

6) He's showing that FriendFeed can be a much friendlier place than Twitter - Jesse Stay

Finding myself spending way more time on FF than twitter, not even using Tweetdeck really. Especially now that FF can import twitter friends - Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ

7) He's showing how easy it is to share and discuss personal stories on FriendFeed, and keep it in one place: http://friendfeed.com/e... - Jesse Stay

I completely agree. Twitter is a crowd of noise. Friendfeed is always conversations and information. Friendfeed is not only friendlier but once you modify your feed & lists you can consume a great deal more information (and of things you'd actually like to read). - Keith - @tsudo

The main thing Twitter has over FF is easier mobility. Give me a good Blackberry FF app and it's on! - Nation Hahn

@Nation: Do you know about http://fftogo.com? - Jemm

+1 Jemm a great reason. And they snagged the creator. http://friendfeed.com/bgolub - Andrew Smith

Kevin C. Tofel

Apple’s Debatable Need for a Netbook - http://gigaom.com/2008...

December 16, 2008 from GigaOM - Comment - Like - Share

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Of course netbooks are here to stay. It's some kind of weird reality distortion field that anyone is taken seriously in thinking that somehow Moore's Law had stopped. The weird thing is that laptop prices stayed high while technology raged, but smaller is always sexy in technology, up to the limit of the size of our hands, until we figure out another way to express ourselves without... more... - Dave Winer

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I agree with you, but bear in mind: XP is on the way out. - Kevin C. Tofel

Kevin I wondered about that. That would be a bad mistake on Microsoft's part. XP has been on its way out for a long time. Why oh why won't they kick back and let the market drive this. Clueless. Microsoft is not a company, it's a charity run for the benefit of its programmers. God forbid they should actually have to do something the users want them to do. - Dave Winer

And again... I agree with you. ;) - Kevin C. Tofel

Windows 7 will need less resources than Vista. Does anyone have 7 running on a netbook, yet? - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

Windows 7 will also give you a pony. - Bill Seitz

LOL Bill. - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

I would love a pony with my netbook for the Holidays. ;-) - Mathew A. Koeneker

I doubt Apple will make a netbook. I posted a few reasons here: http://friendfeed.com/e... - Rodfather

Mark, I've been running Windows 7 on my MSI Wind netbook since the test / beta version came out. Runs better than Vista, but XP seems a little lighter. Bear in mind: it's just a test version. - Kevin C. Tofel

As far as your comment on Moore´s Law, of course component prices will fall and components physically will shrink. But I for one do not want a full-fledged mac with less than 12" screen or less space between keys than my fingers (considering today´s technology), and I´ll take a slim 13" laptop which is readable and easily slip between items in my case, over a 7" brick any day. For simpler tasks I use something even smaller without a keyboard altogether; my smartphone. - Thomas Bøhm

If they do, I doubt it will be a 10" device with an Atom processor. Maybe a 12" but then, it would be a subnotebook, not a netbook. Or a bigger iPod with a Moorestown or possibly Snapdragon chip. - Rodfather

I work in a production environment, so I need a huge tower with peripherals and tons of software. I run both systems because the client is always right. I find XP fairly stable and our IT guys know it well enough to keep it running. Nonetheless, not one of them wants to get into Vista or even W7. As for the Macs, no IT support, Never needed it. They just work. When I retire, I hope... more... - Phil Boiarski

@Kevin I knew someone was going to try it. I'll be interested in seeing where we are in 6 months. - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)

Mark, here are my initial thoughts back in October of how Win7 worked out on the Wind: http://www.jkontherun.com/2008... I agree: the next 6 months will be interesting: XP gets closer to going away, Vista gains SP2 and Windows 7 info should be more accessible. - Kevin C. Tofel

Here's the simple reason I want an Apple netbook: I'm a Mac user. I love Mac OS and the Mac apps I'm used to. But I also love having a small computer with great battery life that I can carry in a small bag. And I HATE having to switch between apps, OS, and keyboard shortcuts when I go between my Mac and my Eee PC. I want consistency! - Josh Bancroft

Possible News about Mac Netbook: http://tinyurl.com/6jy4kd - Phil Boiarski

Phil, you just got me going in circles. The linked analyst report is one side of the debate from my original post that kicked off this conversation. ;) - Kevin C. Tofel

My guess for Apple's 'netbook'. Snapdragon based device with instant on. Interface similar to the iPhone. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13... - Rodfather

Appetite: Cee Bee

HUGE collection of Icons - http://wydstudios.com/blog...

October 13, 2008 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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http://wydstudios.com/blog... - Cee Bee from Bookmarklet

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blog is in spanish but easy to maneuver (ie - descarga = download) - Cee Bee

nice collection - David Huntley from twhirl

wow, it's nice! and lots of them! do you think it's ok if I use some them on my website? I don't speak spanish so i can't figure it out.. - rkorolenko

you should try writing the site. i'm sure they'll be cool with it (plus i'm sure they understand english) - Cee Bee

@romanberg, I suspect its okay to use them on your site as several of the ones featured there are features on other free icon source pages - Soup

thanks Cee Bee and Soup! - rkorolenko

@romanberg: The blog owner doesn't own the copyright on these sets and you'll have to check with each individual site as to their licensing terms. Some may require a link back to them if you use them on your site...some may not allow it at all. - April Russo (app103)

Josh Bancroft

Will Apple build a netbook, and what would it look like? - http://www.liliputing.com/2008...

October 2, 2008 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

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Here's the biggest reason I think might influence Apple to build a netbook: There are TONS of loyal Mac users and fans (like me!) who are intrigued by, interested in, buying, and hacking on these little Atom based computers. But we can't run our favorite OS (Mac OS X) and Mac applications on them! We're forced to use Linux or Windows or make a Hackintosh. Who knows if the market reasons (not enough profit) and other excuses an MBA might come up with will prevent them from doing it, but I know there are a ton of people like me who are Mac lovers who REALLY REALLY WANT an Apple netbook. Pretty please, Uncle Steve? - Josh Bancroft

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I doubt it's going to happen. First of all, Apple likes making money and I don't see them pulling in a lot mass producing cheap netbooks. I don't see them using the Atom processor yet. They have gone with Core2Duo's as the minimum speed for their current lineup. Anything slower will not work well with their installed software. Last, resolution. I don't see them going below 1280x800 on a 12" screen. Anything less would be hard to read and the installed base of apps aren't expected to run at a lower res. - Rodfather

Well, there is a possibility they could announce something netbook-ish next week. The Mac laptop line *is* due for a refresh. . . . - bob corrigan

I'm betting Apple may make a bigger iPod touch. Maybe w/ 5" screen using Intel Moorestown chip for 2009/2010. - Rodfather

I already gave up on Apple and bought an eee pc. From my standpoint, that pretty much guarantees Apple will announce a Apple-brand netbook any second now. - thepete

If they are going to release something netbook-like, I'd guess a thin/light 12" going for $800-1200. Basically a Mac version of the Lenovo x200. - Rodfather

For what it's worth I'd buy an Apple netbook as soon as it was made available. - Joe Perrin

Don't forget about Snow Leopard (Mac OS X 10.6). No new features, concentrating on making optimizations - making the OS smaller and faster. It's Intel only (no more PPC), so that means no more big Universal Binary files. That alone will probably reduce OS X's disk footprint by half. Hard drives are big and cheap, and are only getting bigger and cheaper. Why would they spend effort to make OS X smaller, if not for smaller devices like a netbook? - Josh Bancroft

My basic complaint is this: the "cloud" lets me slide effortlessly between computers, and my state follows me. But it's jarring to go from my MacBook Pro to a netbook running XP to my iPhone. I want more consistency when sliding from device to device! :-) - Josh Bancroft

And to the point that the Atom processor isn't fast enough to run OS X and its apps, go watch some videos of it running on hacked netbooks. I saw my friend Brian's in person, and was AMAZED at how fast it is. More than adequate. As to screen size, the HP Mini Note 2133 has a 10" 1280x768 screen. The 1024x600 limit on current netbooks is a stupid Microsoft restriction. They won't sell XP on devices with higher than 1024x600, 1GB RAM, etc. What they call ULCPCs (Ultra Low Cost PCs). Doesn't apply to Apple. - Josh Bancroft

I agree with everything you said. I'm sure it runs fine on an Atom, but I doubt it's fast enough for the standards Apple set for themselves. Don't forget the user experience too. I'm perfectly fine using a 10" screen at 1280x768, but the pixels are way too small for the masses. - Rodfather

Well, if you're going to be all logical and everything, then SURE they'll never make one. ;-) - Josh Bancroft

Wouldn't it be easier if Apple just allowed OSX to be installed on any machine? Maybe manufacturers will start providing OSX drivers for their devices then. Then maybe I can build my own OSX netbook or a workstation cheaper than a $3K Mac Pro. - Rodfather

Me too Taxman :) - Rodfather

Re: letting OS X install on any hardware, I don't think this will ever happen. OS X would turn into Windows, in a bad way, and inherit all of Windows' problems. I attribute a huge about of the instability and frustration that people have with Windows to the HUGE array of drivers, hardware, and other weird crap that it has to try to support. Apple can perfect OS X because they always know EXACTLY what hardware it's going to run on, and it's a short list. - Josh Bancroft

Yep it's not going to happen. But.. Apple doesn't really care for running legacy software so the OS can remain light in that respect. - Rodfather

3 reasons why and how we'll see an Apple netbook soon: http://tinyurl.com/4nyhft - Joe Perrin

Noise River: Russellreno

13 FriendFeed Tools for Twitter Refugees - http://www.techcrunch.com/2008...

June 30, 2008 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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"There has been much talk of Twitter users moving over to FriendFeed since Twitter replies were down for the majority of last week. Twitter announced that they were back on Saturday in their blog, but seeing as the outage may have inspired some users to flock to FriendFeed, I decided to take a look at the 3rd-party applications and scripts that enhance the FriendFeed functionality. For those of you moving on to FriendFeed’s greener pastures, here are 13 essential tools for an organized, “noise”-free experience." - Russellreno from Bookmarklet

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I'm waiting for my gridjit invite. - Russellreno

I thought about making NoiseRiver a closed alpha (by invites) actually. But then told to myself: to hell with hesitation, let's make it and face bugs together! ;-) - directeur from NoiseRiver

Directeur: Have you check you inbox for all your new followers lately? - Russellreno

Congrats on all the great press! - Patrick Lightbody

@Russellreno : ouch! It's full! I'm subscribing to many of them, maybe I'm skipping some but I'll definitely see that again :) - directeur from NoiseRiver

Thanks Patrick! Actually without the great feedback from you folks that wouldn't happen... The first 20 minutes of the launch were really HOT :) - directeur from NoiseRiver

D: BTW there is a GM script that will help you subscribe. Google "Better Friendfeed Subscribe to me". After you load it you go into your "People who scribe to me" tab. It adds a superscribe button. - Russellreno

Thanks for the info Russellreno! I'll download it now :) - directeur from NoiseRiver

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