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Friendfeed needs to time-stamp the comments.

May 26, 2008 - Comment - Like - Share

Kathleen Capps, Kol Tregaskes, Tanath and 116 other people liked this

Yeah, that is something that I have been thinking about. - Kevin Bondelli

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Less thinking more action ;) - Alberto Reyes

A tooltip maybe on hover over the quote graphic. Keep it clean - Andrew Smith

Optional feature - timestamp - not default. - Susan Beebe

great idea! - Sarah Perez

it must be part of the API, since fftogo seems to include a time stamp on the comments - Trent Olson

I'm sure they do store the timestamp, even if it isn't currently displayed. - Mack D. Male

Yeah, it's in the api, all comments & likes are timestamped - Glenn Slaven

I think this is a perfect plan. The only issue I might have is that the time information might take-over the conversations. It might just look more cluttered than FF already is. - Ryne Nelson

It would be useful sometimes. - Morton Fox

concur, very useful to have. Make it a display option. Those who would think it's clutter can turn it off then. - Alexander Falk

It is in the API (I use them in fftogo). I vote that the timestamp should appear as text when you hover over the "thought bubble" to the left. - Benjamin Golub

All comments are time-stamped in AlrertThingy and feedalizr - Stephen B from Alert Thingy

Comments are time stamped in bTT as well. - Francois Bochatay from bTT

and also in twhirl - Marco Kaiser from twhirl

agreed. Timestamps are important - Peter Dawson

What about a comment alert?! How do you follow conversations on ff!? - TommaSorchiotti

Not sure if this will add to the functionality, but should be something they can try out... - Dennis Goedegebuure

Not sure a comment alert is necessary. Comments bring the post up to the top of the timeline, which makes it available for anyone who is currently paying attention to Friendfeed. (Not sure why anyone would want their attention brought to Friendfeed if it isn't already there, that would be a huge productivity drain). - Jason Wehmhoener

Please, please remember that the whole world doesn't run on PDT. I don't want to see timestamps in my FF in gReader and have to always try to guess whether the west coast is 17, 16, or 15 hours behind. If you must display timestamps, please put them in GMT. Setting the timestamps on my FF page/in my FF feed to be correct in my local timezone would be even nicer. - James Polley

yeah ! and a hide fonction for each comment - Jonathan

منم به فارسی تایید می کنم - Kamal

we know which came first... but in n argument the comments can edit. that makes time stamping very important so we know when someone made a change - Noah David Simon

a timeline function in general would be nice, make everything more timeframe friendly - Ruben Llibre

Show times either in GMT or in my own timezone, and just make it a tooltip for the quote balloon or something. Don't want it to look cluttered. - Pat Hawks

just make the time relative from each comment, so I know who said what when in perspective. like 5 minutes later Noah David Simon said. <--this opens up - Noah David Simon

like i said earlier about plurk :) - kosmar

Is i really important to know when every single comment is made? Only the last one would really be useful, could have 'last comment on june 1 at..." right beside the date of the post. - John Duff

If the timestamp is a tooltip, then it isn't really "in the way." Maybe we can have all the timestamps as tooltips, except the most recent comment will have the timestamp printed out below it, like John said. - Rishabh Mishra (p248)

I am so tired of entering an empty room and talking to myself for twenty minutes. lol - Russellreno

A needed feature for sure I agree. I suggested this to the FF feedback room some weeks ago. - Mike Fruchter

Any news? - Amiroo ™

<--- try hover your mouse cursor on that little dialog icon - topo

Sorry it's not more obvious, but if you hover your mouse over the comment icon you will see the time that the comment was made. Thanks for letting us know that it's hard to find! The feedback is much appreciated. - Ross Miller

I believe they are timestamped but this data is not yet displayed.... you're right ! - David Berrebi

other than timestamp I also want to be able to like the comments individually =] - Özgür D. Cyric

This thread shows what happens when nobody reads the comments before theirs - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah

Agreed. The entire time... - Zachary Poley from twhirl

Rahsheen, your point is awesome right now :) - Zachary Poley from twhirl

this feed tells me that noone reads the comments before theirs =] =] j/k - Özgür D. Cyric

Yes,sure. The problems is how to realize it? - Motor Industry

Ross Miller:Thanks, my bad lots of greasemonkey junk keep me away to recognize that - Amiroo ™

Leo Laporte to Leo's feed, TWiT Conversations

Live now... This Week In Tech with John C. Dvorak, Dwight Silverman, Doug Kaye, and Wil Harris. http://live.twit.tv. Discuss here....

June 14 - Comment - Like - Share

George Brickner, Paul DeLeeuw, Veetrag and 56 other people liked this

Afternoon all - Simon Wicks

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There we go - Iain

hi leo - Jack McLoughlin

here we are, hello - monkeystick

hi all - Aubrey_Ingraham

Looks like a good lineup today - Chris Heath

hi - Dave

Darren Landrum, present and accounted for! :-) - Darren Landrum

Hello - Stephen Pickering

yo. looking forward to being a TWiT guest! - Dwight Silverman

hey hop - Robin Ramael

howdy all - Chris Pugh

Great Lineup - Stephen Pickering

Hello, world! - Nate

Ah we can escape the madness of IRC - Greg Byrne

cool to see wil in studio - Aubrey_Ingraham

G'day from AussiMike - Mike Aikins

Greetings from sunny Vancouver, B.C, - Colin Clarke

the best line up in a while - Ben Correll

This is more fun than IRC - Stephen Pickering

Greetings from Austria - Chris

Hi all - Paul Blasman

w00t Dwight Silverman representing Texas in the house!! - Andrew Johnson

And we're off! - Bill Heslin

Hello from upstate New York -- Joe Gilbert - Joe Gilbert

Whats up with Dvorak's picture? lol - Donald Forth

Xbox Natal may be a front for a new xbox console leo - http://www.techradar.com/news... - Michael Mooney

Greetings from Antarctica! - Ross Johnson

John Durham, Redlands, CA - John Durham

hello from london town - AV

Greetings - Corey Kliewer

Hello from Dublin - Paulo Custodio

Like Oprah you wield power. Use it wisely (unlike Oprah) - Gold

that's nice and constructive and mature AhronZombi - Robin Ramael

/ignore ahronzombi - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

Hello from Edinburgh - Callum

feed went down? - Ross Johnson

Leo will not be bought! - Eduardo Contreras

Twitter making money (for DELL) - http://www.techradar.com/news... - Michael Mooney

Woo! A European perspective! - John Frazer

How do we go about blocking this rather cancerous (by quality of contribution) AhronZombi? - 1x29

Is the Pre coming to T-Mobile. - Eduardo Contreras

Adrian, click his name, then "Block this user" - Greg Byrne

Is there anyway to move the Comment link in friend feed to below the latest post? Or to get the feed top down instead? - 1x29

Dwight, you should have stopped by while you were up here. Oh, you don't know me.... - Lee

Looks like good panel today. I - David Jones

Blocked - David Lloyd

Thanks, Greg :) - 1x29

oh cool, i didn't know! it's possible to block him here: http://friendfeed.com/ahronzo... - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

Adrian click the time stamp - Stephen Pickering

Congrats!! Dwight, you must be proud! - Eduardo Contreras

Adrian Glave click the time stamp, click again an you'll get a pop out window - Simon Wicks

screw you! - Ross Johnson

Screw you! - David Lloyd

time stamp? - 1x29

i don't get a time stamp - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

blocked... Leo needs some mods in here to take care of the worst of the worst - Chris Heath

facebook.com/screwyou - Callum

Amazon's cloud was struck by lightning - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009... - Michael Mooney

adrian: http://friendfeed.com/twit-co... - Chris Heath

Thanks to Greg Byrne for pointing out how to block. AhronZombi blocked. - Gold

Preternat: "10 minutes ago" - Michael

"4 minutes ago" at the top - Greg Byrne

It's at the top where the conversation time was started - Stephen Pickering

the gilmore gang is crap - AhronZombi

8 minutes ago is the time stamp thing.. - Simon Wicks

what the heck is dvorak's picture? - Ross Johnson

You don't need moderators here. Each user is free to block whomever they want. - Kevykev

breaking news: the Pre will be successful - Jeremy Stanley

Sorted :) Thanks, all :) - 1x29

Interesting that the feed is a little faster than the video feed. It's like it's clairvoyant. - Scott Thomas

i disagree chris... a lot of blocks on someone should eventually become good metadata. i'm good with that - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

pre aint going to cause a shopping spree - AV

Scoble is always saying how great FF is at moderation, we should make use of it - Greg Byrne

AhronZombi:"Anarchy , hacking, and porn". You do know that Anarchy is not the same as being a complete wanker in public right? - Gold

Gold, don't feed the troll - Chris Heath

ah, thx y'all... yeah, time stamp at the top - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

Any word on how open the Pre will be for programmers to develop for? As open as Android? Not as much? - Darren Landrum

http://friendfeed.com/twit-co... - Chris Heath

Everyone complains about ATT, am I the only one who has no complaints about their coverage. Okay they have a tower down the street from our house. - Paul Blasman

14-year-old student finds new type of solar explosion - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009... - Michael Mooney

I'm in an AT&T black hole - HeavenLike

Paul, ever had to deal with ATT's customer service? - Christopher A Carr

Paul, i only complain that there's no 3g in my city while smaller cities nearby have it - Chris Heath

G1 (T-Mobile) and iTouch is better than switching to iPhone with AT&T. - Gary Kostrivas

There's free tethering apps on T-Mobile for the G1!!!! - Ross Johnson

Wil's right - Jeremy Stanley

I've always assumed that all the Customer Service Reps suck! - Paul Blasman

"Subsidy" http://i.gizmodo.com/5284318... - Kevykev

Pre's biggest problem is going to be the next wave of phones running Android 2.0. - Christopher A Carr

That's ATT hacking Dwight's connection - Devon Blugh

iphone or pre? - Paulo Custodio

I find t-mobiles's reps to be much better than ATT's. - Christopher A Carr

Yup, interference gone :) - 1x29

How can Palm not have any plans for a world GSM version yet? - Thomas Søndergaard

AT&T realized they've been discovered...no more interference - Devon Blugh

I think Android will suffer the same problem as Windows Mobile, multiple handset manufacturers and no consistency of user experience between phones. - Callum

Should I pay for an ETF when the Pre comes to Verizon? - Jeremy Stanley

Looks like according to the details, the full price only applied to people with the 3G iPhone... - Jamison Judd

first palm needs to survive thomas - vondutch

Thomas, I think they do, just no planned release date - Devon Blugh

I've had positive experiences with both Windows Mobile and Android so far. - Ross Johnson

Verizon doesn't line wifi on their phones though... - Joel W Tscherne

But is it really worth it for Apple to create a CDMA iPhone? - Michael

I was on verizon for 7 years. I loved verizon but i never liked any of their phones. I went to the iphone - richie hernandez

Michael - how hard is it to make another chip? - Paul Blasman

Verizon likes too much control on their handsets... - Ari

verizon would love to have the iphone - Chris Heath

My concern exactly Joel - I'll bet if the iPhone comes out on Verizon it doesn't have wifi - Mark Moran

I don't think so Callum. The UI will be pretty consistent, and there are only so many handset styles that work well. WinMo sucks on it's own... - Christopher A Carr

Paul - They need to write the drivers for the CDMA chipset, too. Put it through FCC testing, etc. I just don't know if it's worth it. - Michael

Verizon turned down the iPhone. Think they would make a different decision now? - Scott Thomas

I bought my iPhone in April so I'm stuck with the 3G for awhile. Of course I'll get the next version! - Joel W Tscherne

You can get refurb 8Gig 3G for $79, that's a tempting upgrade - Paul Blasman

Thats just mobileme, not the 3g s - Simon Wicks

I realized that the iPhone 3GS and Palm Pre have the same CPU and graphics chips - Matthew

You can turn it off on the phone too - Mark Moran

paul $99 for the old 3g - Chris Heath

And a thief can turn off the location service on the phone. - Michael

cold medicine - Scott Thomas

O2 Pre-Pay iPhone 3G 8GB - £342.50, iPhone 3G S 16GB - £440.40 & iPhone 3G S 32GB - £538.30 - Michael Mooney

Ahmedinejad! - Michael

give up the link to the funny Apple commercial plz :) - rob friedman

MobileMe is garbage IMHO. - Bill Grant

There's a little uvular fricative in Ahmedinejad... - Christopher A Carr

MobileMe is too expensive but it's nice when you rebuild a Windows PC and Contacts and Calendar items are synched to Outlook. - Callum

To be fair to CNN, they're doing a much better job in Iran coverage today. They're still claiming they need us to wait until they properly package their coverage, though. - Jim Stanger

I hope they mention the reasoned anaysis of the Iranian election here: http://www.tomstechblog.com/post... and not just claim CNN is dead - Greg Byrne

LOL - HeavenLike

it's not just CNN though - Chris Heath

i think i would get mobileme if it was $52 - richie hernandez

Callum I agree, Mobileme should come with the iPhone service - Paul Blasman

you can find mobileme greatly discounted lots of places, i think it's $69 at amazon - James Tussey

Just use Google Sync instead of MobileMe... works great for me. - Jason Hansen

I got it for $69 when I bought my new MacBook Pro - Joel W Tscherne

It's entirely too easy to create fake Twitter accounts pretending to be anywhere in the world, though. How can we verify which Twitter accounts are genuine and which are not? - Darren Landrum

content... not context on Twitter. Though journalism might not always get context right - Jeremy Stanley

Good point Darren - Callum

I heard on the radio this morning that foreign journalists are being arrested and confined to the hotels. - Johnny Worthington

should get Scoble's wife on to talk about Tehran - Chris Pugh

Yes, GPS did great coverage - Jim Stanger

darren landrum over time, and vetting. it's not always possible, but usually - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

Does anyone know if "The Daily Show's" Jason Jones is still in Tehran? - Jeremy Stanley

@Callum: There were accusations of some of the Iranian Twitter accounts being fakes. It's hard to tell. - Darren Landrum

Fareed Zakaria gets it. - Ken Sheppardson

Were news outfits not aware that Iran was having elections? - Bill Grant

there's a middle ground, though. CNN reporters can tweet just as well as any new iffy account - Jim Stanger

In the end, we have to use our own intelligence and make our own decisions about what and who to trust. - Darren Landrum

bill grant good point, but people should also demand it - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

Are there any "Verified Accounts" from Twitter users in Iran? - Ken Sheppardson

But how do you cover things when you are about to get arrested? - Johnny Worthington

http://tehranbureau.com/2009... - Daniel Rowley

Apple need thier own digg site to take on AP & REUTERS with user content. - Michael Mooney

@Ken yep... i guess the point is our first (not necessarily the best or most accurate) place to get breaking news might be twitter. The trending topics are amazing. - Bill Grant

Can't trust eyewitness accounts. We don't know the real source of the tweets! - Joel W Tscherne

but the MSM had people reporting from hotel rooms in Bagdhad while we were attacking. They can report under tough circumstances. they have for decades - Jim Stanger

@Joel, i have to kinda agree, look at the Digg army and the faked front page stories as an example. - Ryan Scullen

otoh i felt i usually got better overview with a weekly magazine or hour pbs show. up to the minute news isn't exactly highly enlightening, in general - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

HI all my first time in this. - caffeinefreedavid

You should not take everything posted on twitter as gospel - Greg

We only see something from one individual's point of view. Many conspiracy theories are still alive because ONE person claims to have seen something that can't be easily disproved. - Joel W Tscherne

Leo, does a Re-Tweet count as a second source? - Gabe

up-to-the-minute speculation is especially aggravating - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

I think the problem is that it was the weekend... the news stops then - Jeremy Stanley

Then they jump on a story too quick and it's a prank call - Mark Moran

no it doesn't gabe - Chris Heath

if you Apple made it a yearly membership that will help - Michael Mooney

Flickr has a great photostream - Howard Losiewicz

The day CNN or any other "major news outlet" goes on the air to simply report on what they're reading on Twitter is the day they lose any last shred of credibility. - Ken Sheppardson

agreed ken - Chris Heath

I don't want my news channel to tell me what it means - I'll figure it out for myself - Mark Moran

You're right Ken. - kenneth glenn

Context is everything in live coverage - Gabe

@Greg Agreed (on twitter <> gospel) but I think people used to think of the news media as gospel and this is also incorrect. People are better off taking lots of sources and drawing their own conclusions. This was mentioned during the last or second to last twit... - Bill Grant

The reporters had an early night as they had been up getting their Facebook URLs - Greg Byrne

This is the service that is summarizing the real-time web version of the Iran events - http://iran.twazzup.com/ - Chris Saad

Unfortunately old fashioned TV/Radio companies have cut their budgets so much that I'm surprised they do ANY live international reports - Joel W Tscherne

If you want random 140 character anecdotes from anonymous sources, you've go Twitter. If you want somebody to spend a few hours collecting information, verifying sources, and asking follow-up questions, you've got CNN - Ken Sheppardson

Bll Grant true but at least you know with networks where to complain.. it twitter u have anonymous postings - Greg

Tell us when it means, no way. But, giving us information so we can evaluate for ourselves. They have access to lots of experts...ones that don't yell and scream their points. - Jim Stanger

There is no rush. John nails it. - Ken Sheppardson

yup - Chris Heath

The BBC picked up the riots pretty quickly. They've been covering the whole event for weeks. Even a breaking news banner for CNN would suffice, regardless of edited footage, surely they have journalists on the street. - Daniel Rowley

It's not about rush - it's about avoiding the filter - Chris Saad

Why do we watch car chases? Because we're idiots. - Ken Sheppardson

If stringers can provide accurate context and journalistic style coverage they would be worth paying leo - Gabe

There are never any car chases where I live in North Carolina. - Michael

@Greg I suppose, but I think people just assume journalists are by definition balanced when in reality everyone has a bias. - Bill Grant

Great conversation, excellent guys! - Ryan Massie

CNN is willing to go hours and hours with talking heads speculating on the newest detail of a missing girl story, but they won't do the same for major world events - Jim Stanger

Haha Michael only once every 5 years - kenneth glenn

When people are streaming video, is that mis-information? - Colin

The newsrooms have been victim of cost cutting for years now. Cheaper to have shows with talking heads. Now, we can't get real news because they don't have people positioned in the hot spots of the world. - Eric @ CSTechcast.com

cave man instinct. hard to overcome. like tribal prejudice. hmm, going of on tangent now :) - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

People want to always be the first to tell a story. It's why they can often be wrong! - Joel W Tscherne

Kenneth - I'm just down the road from you in Chapel Hill, but within spitting distance of the Durham line. - Michael

@Colin Interesting.... but we all know that even video can be misleading if taken out of context. - Bill Grant

On the other hand, CNN will spend 6 hours on a fixed shot of some plane sitting on a tarmac speculating about what's going on inside with no real information whatsoever, so... there's a bit of a double standard. - Ken Sheppardson

I mean we criticize them for that. - Ken Sheppardson

CCCC - Car Chase Cable Channel - Dave T

Damned if they do, damned if they don't. - Ken Sheppardson

Conversation is such a lame buzzword~~~ - Ross Johnson

CNN INternational had great coverage on Twitter and on their network this weekend. The people who decided NOT to switch to the International feed should be fired. - joebrooks

24/7/365 live as it happens off a ticker kills the story for most viewers - Michael Mooney

That's the definition of news isn't it, up to the date information. - Daniel Rowley

I wonder if BBC was covering the events in Iran faster than the US new stations? Is the US new stations only caring about in-the-country-news? - Ryan Scullen

why does the "twit live desktop 2.0" only do audio now? it used do video a few weeks ago. ....ah it worked as soon as I opened a twit live tab in my browser. Odd - Ian Murphy

I was in Egypt recently and I was amazed about how different the CNN International stories were from the ones on CNN in the U.S. - Bill Grant

Daniel: No. Live 24x7 streams of everything happening everywhere all the time isn't "news". "News" is somebody with some experience and judgement filtering out stuff that matters and flagging it for others. - Ken Sheppardson

News isn't news if it isn't accurate. That just makes it rumor. - Joel W Tscherne

They could certainly provide a background or base to help evaluate events when they happen. They have access to all sorts of historians and experts that can provide useful info without the speculation of the breaking news moment. - Jim Stanger

jim stanger bugs me too... angers me. chichen and egg tho... also have to blame the consumer who's buying it. - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

Ryan: the BBC were covering events way before CNN. - Daniel Rowley

I also thought @BreakingNews on twitter was doing SUPERB coverage of the events in Iran. - joebrooks

The other problem with TV news is the need to be commenting on every story. I don't care about pundit Joe Blow's opinion on a topic. - Joel W Tscherne

Why isn't what I had for lunch "news"? Because it's irrelevant to everyone except me. We know that because "journalists" watch the live feeds and call our attention to what's important. - Ken Sheppardson

@Richsanchezcnn was doing a better job than CNN recommending ppl to follow - kenneth glenn

this show has more scoops than ben&jerry's - vondutch

The role of journalism is to watch the live feeds and tell us what's important, what matters, and what's going to affect our lives. - Ken Sheppardson

@donlemoncnn kinda angered me. It was along the lines of "hey I gave Iran 10min tonight. What more do you want?" - Jim Stanger

...and verify. Check sources, make sure not so spread rumor, put things in context... - Ken Sheppardson

however, he's on right now stepping it up tremendously. - Jim Stanger

Joel - agreed. i see more straight to the actual events news here in canada. US has too many "news celebrities" that skew information WAY too much with their commentaries. - Ryan Scullen

Good point Dwight. I love reading the same story in multiple ways in my rss reader. - Joel W Tscherne

you can do a nearly 24/7/365 live as it happens off a ticker but you have to have content to help viewers understand the ticker news - Michael Mooney

but Ken, those feeds offer a narrow view of a situation, with very little context. A remote aggregatior can't provide that reliably - Gabe

What do you mean "but" Gabe? What did I say that you disagree with? - Ken Sheppardson

I don't mean "feed" as in sit there watching Twitter, I mean everything that's happening everywhere. I was speaking figuratively. Sorry... - Ken Sheppardson

@micheal that's why i don't understand why ccn cut ccn-text, that was very informative - vondutch

Ken: I don't think news should just be information that affects our lives. We can understand and have reported information streamed to us without it necessarily having any direct impact upon us. - Daniel Rowley

Whose picture is that on the video feed for TWIT? That bearded guy does not look like the chief cranky geek. - Bill Grant

What about Libel or Slander. How can you trust what is being "reported" - William

Bill, it's Dvorak's skype avatar - Chris Heath

voice of san diego rocks! - Jeremy Stanley

@Chris LOL thanks, must be as accurate as a SecondLife/WoW avatar - Bill Grant

I'm saying that traditional journalism has the advantage of trained professionals on the ground rather than armatures that might not know what questions to ask, video to shoot, and could get themselves hurt if they are not careful - Gabe

Daniel: I disagree. If it doesn't affect other people, it's not news. It's the journalists job to *explain* HOW it affects our lives. - Ken Sheppardson

Classifieds (which is what Craigslist is destroying) was the crack cocaine of newspapers. Classifieds aren't related to the news or delivering the audience of news. Classifieds could appear anywhere that enough eyeballs collect. The audience for NEWS is differerent from the audience for classifieds. That so many newspapers depended upon the easy money of classifieds was a convenient drug. Now newspapers are going cold turkey and need to find how to live with the smaller NEWS audience. - JR Holmes

bill, he used to have a rainbow clown hair avatar - Chris Heath

@Ken - I disagree. What happens in Iran does not affect my life. That statement is only true the more local the story MIGHT be. - Ryan Scullen

@Chris Now that sounds more accurate :-) - Bill Grant

Ryan: I didn't say what's going on in Iran doesn't affect us. It does. The news outlets need to explain why. Tweets in isolation don't do that. Twitter is raw material. - Ken Sheppardson

Hi. We probably chatted on irc. I like to continue conversation in a less crazy way and not that fast:) - Please 'friend' me or let's follow each other at Twitter @buckybit - Like to connect. Thanks, Twit Army:) - Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic

it would be nice if the major news programs at least had a ticker at the bottom. Wish they spent more on their research, correspondents and less on their gee wiz gimmicks. - Kim Landwehr

Ken: how does it affect your day to day life unless you have family or travel plans to the area? My point is your statement is true for local stories, but not necessarily for international stories. - Ryan Scullen

Journalism and news aren't just a matter of narrating what you're watching. You need to have context and explanation. - Ken Sheppardson

@Ryan This Earth is getting smaller, 100 years ago I bet someone could say something happening a state over doesn't affect him/her. - Bill Grant

Ryan, I don't agree at all. That's like saying what happened in Afghanistan in 2000 didn't effect us. This is Iran, a country our leaders love trying to make the next bad guy. What happens there will effect all of us. - Jim Stanger

Nigel Planer did an episode of Carpool which was a good watch - Iain

Does Friendfeed have other "conversations"? Like for the Iran Election? - Randy Willard

Libel/Slander: If you mess up as a journalist, like make stuff up, then you don't work again in the business. You'll then have to become a blogger or find another industry. - William

Ryan: Great question. I'm sure if you watch The News Hour on PBS on Monday they'll have 10-15 minutes with experts who'll put it all in context for us. Or, we can just watch random tweets from people allegedly in Iran. - Ken Sheppardson

@Bill Grant The compressed world is what makes it important to me. As Jim illustrated, it is important because the US will need to respond in some manner and that will cost you money. - JR Holmes

Randy, this is a 'room' or 'group' created by leo for the specific purpose of discussing the live stream shows ... there's nothing stopping someone from starting an 'iran-election' group - but getting people to coalesce around the group is the hard part... that doesn't happen easily/quickly - Chris Heath

Randy: Other FriendFeed conversations on the Iran elections - http://friendfeed.com/search... - Ken Sheppardson

@JR 100% agree... Things that happen in other countries matter to me in a way that might not have affected my great grandparents in their time. - Bill Grant

yeah ken, a search is a good way to find stuff - Chris Heath

Jim - I agree that stories can impact us later, but international stories tend to have less of a direct impact compared to national stories. - Ryan Scullen

I really like the new friend feed, they've done a good job improving it to make it useful. - Bill Grant

OK, I'm not familiar with FF yet, and wondered if it was possible. thanks - Randy Willard

i back john.c's comment - Michael Mooney

@Ryan Well true that the things that affect you most are the closest (at least usually). - Bill Grant

in a bigger context, i see vetting (eg journalistic) sources as an essential act that everyone should learn... as demonstrated even here, in ff. i need to be able to assess, then depend on a hierarchy of reliable sources above me. it takes time to do that - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

Ken - news organizations can get access to more 'official' sources of news (aka government representatives) but we all know that PR does not tell the real story. tweets as raw info, at least to me, is more valuable. RTs don't count. twitpics = more legitimacy. - Ryan Scullen

@Ryan True. I just cringe when we as a nation don't pay attention to something that happens beyond our borders until it's about to bite us in the keester. Forewarned/Forearmed doesn't seem to apply to our society. - Jim Stanger

The web's going to take over the console business - Stephen Pickering

Sims 3 sets franchise record 1.4 million copies in first week http://news.cnet.com/8301-10... - Jim Lyons

low cost, small sized games like Tetris are the way to make money - Michael Mooney

my first real use of ff... i wish i could see avatars to help me remember what comments belong to who - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

My current favorite game is the NY Times Crossword app on my iPhone! - Joel W Tscherne

Jim - once news organizations have a crystal ball to tell us the future with 100% accuracy, I'm ditching web news and watching tv news again lol. - Ryan Scullen

World of Goo anyone??? - Ross Johnson

Leo: Basis for that statement, please. - Ken Sheppardson

which statement (for me and for the record here)? :) - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

sounds like an eeePC model # - Gabe

That's the plot for Deep Impact. 14 year old spots the comet first - Joel W Tscherne

"Sepulveda [Pivotal Labs], whose group builds applications for companies wanting mobile offerings, said he’s advising his clients — Twitter, BestBuy and Salesforce among them — to start on the Pre. The phone’s operating system, called WebOS, offers the most compelling place to build and test a prototype, for both cost and technology reasons, he said." -- http://venturebeat.com/2009... - Ken Sheppardson

give palm pre some time for people to develope before you write it off - Omar Atin

Did I just hear that right, one side of the USB ports on a Mac are better than the other? - Bill Grant

yup - Ross Johnson

Something wrong with the mac? This bit will be edited out - Greg Byrne

I would like to start dev for the Pre, but I don't think its got the base OS to pull off a casual games platform. I read on Gizmodo i think that the Pre's REAL target competition will be the blackberry. - Ryan Scullen

"Got a Pre? Like Nintendo? If you fit in the overlapping intersection of that particular Venn diagram, then have I got some good news for you. Some enterprising individuals over at the Pre Dev Wiki have gotten a NES emulator up and running on the Palm Pre." -- http://www.crunchgear.com/2009... - Ken Sheppardson

You need to have a puppet TWiT! - Ryan Massie

I moved off of this conversation and I have no idea how to get back.... Now I need to keep hitting the comment link at the top every time. This could be a little more intuitive. - Bill Grant

Doom on the Palm Pre - http://www.engadget.com/2009... - Ken Sheppardson

I think we just heard this weeks title "Face Squatting" - Paul Blasman

xbox live + XNA Game Studio 3.1 is the way to go - Michael Mooney

bill hit the time link to the left instead - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

The one that was interesting was default.aspx that I saw - Bill Grant

Bill http://friendfeed.com/twit-co... - Greg Byrne

@Ken and @Greg -- thanks guys! That was not obvious (to me at least) - Bill Grant

omg the dot is ignored. I feel silly now. i actually spent a few minutes and considered whether to put the dot in my name or not. - Jim Stanger

there is a tie in Wil, its called FriendFeed - Gabe

This must the best/funniest Facebook name grab: http://pauliukas.com/randomf... - Paulius G

jim and bill... this techy stuff is just unnatural! - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

I got nothing at Facebook. I have no desire to get a Facebook account - Greg

Y'all are assuming people want totally overlapping professional and personal social graphs. That's certainly not the case. - Ken Sheppardson

At one point when FF was going through its beta upgrade they had a link to thread button, don't know why they removed it - Greg Byrne

Or... in six months we will have forgotten about Face Book when the next great thing comes out - Paul Blasman

myspace is the new AOL - Gabe

Jim, I had the same issue when i found my name. It is not clear. - Judith Gerdin

The name grab was insane. It's a fraking _walled_community_!! - Gold

It WAS a walled community - Stephen Pickering

It also has the same stigma as AOL too. - Gold

Oh wow - he just advocated to hand over the entire social web to Facebook - genius :S - Chris Saad

@Ken Cadby Hah!... Well I guess I can program a computer but that doesn't mean I know how to use one... ;-) - Bill Grant

I sorta think the only services really threatened by Facebook are MySpace (direct competitor) and Classmates. - Ken Sheppardson

i'm surprised classmates is still around - Chris Heath

Broadband killed AOL. It was more of a connectivity platform rather than a social platform - Stephen Pickering

Chris - yeah me too - Paul Blasman

Facebook is not using OAuth or OpenID (OpenID is promsied) - Chris Saad

Stephen: _Was_ a walled garden? How is it not now? I still get links where I need to log in to see things. Can't think of a time it's not been this way. - Gold

@bill grant are you a fan of caffeine? - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

Yes, you are right. I grant you that - Stephen Pickering

Chris: Well, considering we've ranged from the Iran elections to video games to social networking, I think we maybe just have to nod and take this all with a grain of salt. ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

Ken - the competition is not even close. MySpace is the like AOL, Facebook is like Google. - Ryan Scullen

Gold - I agree that is why I've stayed away from FB. - Paul Blasman

Classmates must make money from organizing reunions. Who would pay to contactsomeone you do not remember. - Judith Gerdin

Ryan: Fine. I'll concede the point. The only people who should fear Facebook is Classmates :-D - Ken Sheppardson

Caffeine. Mmmmmmmm - Randy Willard

And Leo just explained why Facebook will never "take over" - Ken Sheppardson

Paul Blasman: I've stayed away due to the T&C. I have no problem with the walled garden but the T&C are draconian. - Gold

Ken - lol I never liked the idea of classmates from the beginning - too much spam linking - Ryan Scullen

Gold - I didn't even want to go there! - Paul Blasman

Leo - you should be checking out your daughter account - Paul Blasman

3 million usernames have been claimed since Friday night ... in the first 14 hours, that is - Ken Sheppardson

Paul Blasman - Heh. :) I've had one friend from Auckland, NZ appear on those damned "This guys I.Q. is x. What's yours?" ads. He followed it up and they said they purchased it from Facebook. - Gold

http://mashable.com/2009... - Ken Sheppardson

facebook landgrab was soooo over hyped. Just another excuse for bloggers to have something to write about and for people to have another thing added to their business cards - Ross Johnson

Whether you have a vanity URL makes no difference, facebook has a search function: http://www.facebook.com/abbylap... - Greg Byrne

Omg that's funny - Paul Blasman

Heard from a colleague: kids are going to twitter with private profiles to keep the older people out. - Bill Grant

@Greg That works if you have a relatively unique name or as long as you post a picture... - Bill Grant

Fastest Growing Demographic on Facebook - Women over 55 (2/2/2009) http://www.insidefacebook.com/2009... - Ken Sheppardson

lotta college kids on facebook. facebook can't die. it can be bought tho. - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

66% are 18-34 - Ken Sheppardson

78% are under 34 - Ken Sheppardson

Ken, do the math. - Judith Gerdin

only 8% are older than 45 - Ken Sheppardson

Once it becomes main stream, the geeks and the college kids will come up with something else - Paul Blasman

Which math, Judith? - Ken Sheppardson

...you mean the fact that the F>55 segment is growing fastest because it was almost nonexistent before? ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

sigh - Greg

Ken: between 18-34 and under 34 you're at 144% - Gold

Gold: under 34 includes 18-34 - Ken Sheppardson

as you might expect - Ken Sheppardson

Dont forget the total number of accounts vs the total number of active posting accounts is not the same.. just like twitter - Greg

Ken: and I look like a bloody idiot. ;) - Gold

Leo you already have LeoLaporte - rob friedman

erm /LeoLaporte - rob friedman

That's his fan page - Stephen Pickering

ya, well, once a URL is used you can never reclaim it unless it's trademark. so his fan page is him. :) - rob friedman

That'll teach me for only reading half the discussion. I should get back to work. :/ - Gold

All fan pages with a thousand fans or more got automatically assigned a while back - Stephen Pickering

Gold: No, I should've thought that out more before I posted... the way I wrote it was inviting that sort of interpretation... :-/. - Ken Sheppardson

Died in the US, right? - Ken Sheppardson

Still alive and kicking everywhere else? - Ken Sheppardson

Can't wait for flash on the Pre so I can watch Leo on the go. - jcunwired

ken - yea us only, canada is still kickin analogue till aug. 2011 - Ryan Scullen

Excuse me while I burry my 9-inch black & white in the back yard lol - Paul Blasman

very scandalous - rob friedman

I'm still going to keep my 9" black and white for my Apple ][+ monitor - Ken Sheppardson

I feel bad for the senior citizens but for anyone under the age of 65, if you didn't follow the hundreds of mentions of this conversion to digital, you might not deserve digital tv. - Bill Grant

Did you PAY for that phone? - Ken Sheppardson

lol ken - Chris Heath

Ken - mine is the TV I used for my Timex Sinclair ZX80 - Paul Blasman

Right... because that's the case, right? - Ken Sheppardson

If you have cable, you don't need to change anything. - Ken Sheppardson

I missed something. - Ken Sheppardson

I'll have to re-scan my Road Runner cable to see if the analog is still there - Paul Blasman

Yup... Comcast is flip-flopping http://www.mercurynews.com/technot... - Ken Sheppardson

I have Comcast and try using them with a cable card, they are hopeless. - Kim Landwehr

If not for wanting live sports, I'd just go to Hulu and streaming exclusively. - Ken Sheppardson

No, Leo is giving them away under a new promo called PreCrunch :) - jcunwired

cable is coax. can be ran straight to TV, or a cable box. straight to TV still broadcasts in analogue over coax. so comcast is illegally shutting off analogue over coax, cause if they can get 60% or more subscribers (i think, might be 80%) onto cable boxes, they can force everyone to switch. - Ryan Scullen

sorry my bad, those are rules for canada... not US... rules are probably different. - Ryan Scullen

What happened to this FCC ruling - "FCC Takes Action To Prevent Cable Companies From Dropping Digital Broadcast Networks From Analog Cable" - http://consumerist.com/299517... - Ken Sheppardson

Cool. People are starting up their proxies to help out the people in Iran. For example: http://twitter.com/HansPet... Awesome! - Holger Eilhard

Sony Bravia is high end expensive - rob friedman

"DVR" will just turn into a local cache - rob friedman

Bandwidth caps are the cable industry's attempt to preserve their business model. As DSL and the long-hoped-for wireless broadband get bigger, they run the risk of losing customers to competitors who don't do that limit. - JR Holmes

Well, Wil just got a ~100 follower bump. - Ken Sheppardson

gonna try and be Wil's 14,000th. In 3...2...1... - Jim Stanger

Bingo. 14K - Ken Sheppardson

Got it! - Jim Stanger

just added wil - Paul Blasman

oh...wait - Jim Stanger

:) - Jim Stanger

No talk about EU/IE8 when there's an EU guest? - John Frazer

What BART station is that John uses for his background on Twitter? - Ken Sheppardson

What is John talking about, he is almost at 55,000 followers. Didn't he just ask to get up to 50,000? - Bill Grant

Oh look at her eye's, she's soo blasted - Paul Blasman

wow shes um yeah - Alfredo

Benadryl - Ken Sheppardson

that was cool - rob friedman

oof nice gaf - rob friedman

Man, Letterman and Leo... pickin' on the 14 year olds this week... ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

hahahaha - Alfredo

lol ken! - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

http://www.youtube.com/watch... canadian switch ad - Chris Heath

the english foreign guy needs to get on mic better :) - rob friedman

awesome falsetto - rob friedman

that url should go here if anyone has it? - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

http://tehranbureau.com/2009... - Daniel Rowley

http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Daniel Rowley

Rob Friedman: did you just say English and Foreign in the same sentence. LOFL - Bob Blunk

yea, :) well I didnt' want to say that any of his Guests were, except the guy who is, and off mic. :) - rob friedman

Sorry, posted wrong link first. Second one is correct. - Daniel Rowley

http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Bob Blunk

hey hey heyyyyy watching the rerun lol - Q B

Got to have the Mashable team on more often. ;) - Ben Parr

You should have talked about my video coverage from Computex http://techvideoblog.com/categor... , the ARM laptops cost only 100 dollars and will replace Apple, Microsoft and Intel - Charbax

Simon

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Vacation in Italy last week. Rome, Venice and Florence. - Simon

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wow, these are all fantastic - David Vasileff

Excellent pictures, not that that's all that surprising - Sanjay Ghemawat

totally gorgeous, I'm there in my mind - Sheri Fresonke Harper

You have such a great eye for composition. Lovely shots. What did you do in post (if anything)? - Aaron D'Souza

The spiral staircase is my favorite photo. - Chiu-Ki Chan

Thanks :) Aaron: I imported using Adobe Camera Raw and then sometimes selectively adjusted curves and rotated and cropped. http://si.smugmug.com/gallery... is HDR, all the others are from a single exposure. - Simon

so so so beautiful - StephenTsui

Awesome. :) - Satoshi Hayakawa

beautiful! - Dh'ennis Dömingö

Well done. - Piaw Na

Nice. I've got to start carrying a tripod. And my camera. And a wide angle lens. :) - Seth

If Photography was only about equipment, there'd be gobs of great photographers. Fortunately, it's also about having a good eye, skill, and fanatical devotion to technique. - Piaw Na

Good point. I've got to start carrying Simon. - Seth

Wow, the color is incredible! - Michael Turner

Raoul Pop

Tall grass, blown every which way by the wind and dried by the same, covers this abrupt hillside somewhere in Moldova, Romania.

A lovable and friendly mutt belonging to family of ours. His upper muzzle bears the scars from a scuffle with aggressive sheep dogs.

A thick forest of conifers cover the hill in the background while a quiet little stream winds its way through thickets and sparse trees in the valley below.

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felicious

Suddenly longing for Maui.

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AHhhh Maui! - Nurse Katie

Mathew™ one of a kind

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Loves me some spiders - Mo Kargas

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ACK!!!! RUN AWAY!!!! KEEP RUNNING!!!!! - Fa La La La Lindsay

OMGGGGG NOOOOOOOO - Mona Nomura

Sooo cuddly.... - MVB (Grinch of FF)

Love their jewel-like eyes. - Kamilah Gill

Aw, that 3rd one is so adorable, especially in it's last photo. - Admiral Anika

eews - Shey, Jamaican of FF

equal parts awww and eek! - tiffany

cute :) - Sasha Kovaliov(.com)

Anthony Farrior

Wikipedia: Wikipedia Officially Launches Mobile Version - http://lifehacker.com/5110289...

December 16, 2008 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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"Popular user-edited online encyclopedia Wikipedia has finally released a mobile-friendly version of the web site at mobile.wikipedia.org." - Anthony Farrior from Bookmarklet

Thomas Hawk

Top 10 Tips for Getting Attention on Flickr, All Fresh and New for 2008 - http://thomashawk.com/2008...

July 28, 2008 from Thomas Hawk's Digital... - Comment - Like - Share

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Good article. I guess you've got to work smart to get noticed on Flickr. - Adam Christie

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Very good advice, Thomas. A comment on no. 6 ("Groups"): I remember Flickr staff mentioning that not only photos that are in too many groups (more than 10-15, as a rule of thumb) get penalties for their Explore rating. Allegedly, this is also true for photos that are in the *wrong* groups, specifically the ubiquitous "post 1, comment x" groups. So not all photo critique groups might be good when you want to get your pictures into Explore. - Ole Begemann

Ole, I hadn't heard that certain groups penalized photos but have seen Flickr staff in the past mention that posting your photo to too many groups will reduce it's visibility with their algorithm. - Thomas Hawk

Re: no. 5 ("Explore"): more criteria that seem to influence whether a photo makes it to Explore: the presence of EXIF data, geotags, title, description has a positive influence; faves and comments from people who are not among your contacts seem to count more than from contacts; faves and comments from popular photographers count more than those from nobodys; a photo that gets 2 or 3 faves within minutes after uploading is more likely to make Explore than one that gets faved 15 times within 24 hours. - Ole Begemann

Thomas, I'll try to find a reference for this. - Ole Begemann

Good point on EXIF data Ole, yes, photos in Explore are required to have EXIF data. My own guess as to why this is is that if a photo has EXIF data it is more likely to be your own photo vs. something you simply ripped from the web. Not foolproof of course but I'd guess that this policy is in part due to a desire to increase the authenticity of the photos promoted on Explore. - Thomas Hawk

If you look at the photos in Explore, the only "Leave a comment" groups that I see with any regularity are TWTME and 1-2-3 groups... what makes them special I'm not sure, other than they're amongst the largest groups in general. But you see very few of those award groups or "leave x comments" groups in the photos in Explore, so I suspect that Flickr must be penalizing them. - Eric P

Thomas, that's a great refresher on the original article. Some great tips. - Tom Quinn

And Thomas, throwing reciprocation in as a "bonus"? It should have been #1 or #2. The vast, vast, vast majority of comments and faves that I receive are from people whose stream I previously visited. The only real exception to that is when a photo is high in Explore, which results in a torrent of views/comments/faves from strangers. - Eric P

Yep Eric. Reciprocation is very high. Bonus tip might not be the best place for it. It's very important. Faving back when people fave your work, commenting back. Adding people back as mutual contacts, etc. All encourage activity on your photostream. - Thomas Hawk

Eric, participation groups don't penalize your photo from Explore best I can tell. This photo http://www.flickr.com/photos... from a few weeks ago was in the Deleteme Uncensored critique group and was #3 on Explore as well. - Thomas Hawk

In fact just searching flickr for the save10 tag from the DMU critique group along with "explore" brings up a number of photos: http://www.flickr.com/search... - Thomas Hawk

Good post, *IF* getting attention is important to you, as opposed to using it as a vehicle to just share photos with people - Eric Rice

After I read your original article on Flickr popularity a while back, I began reciprocating every comment received. That worked very well. - Tom Harrison

Eric, true. Some people have no interest in their photos receiving attention. I do think that the majority of people posting on Flickr though do appreciate when their photos receive some attention. Lots of people do not though. I have friends that only publish private photos that their friends can see and opt out of every public aspect of Flickr. I think these people though are the exception rather than the norm and think that Caterina's quote is pretty typical of the most active users on the site. - Thomas Hawk

Thanks for digging my article Aaron! :) http://digg.com/arts_cu... - Thomas Hawk

Alright, I found something. Flickr staff member acknowledged almost 2 years ago that "groups that force people to comment/fave on certain photos with no choice" do in fact hurt your Explore chances. Also, "weight of comments and favorites from contacts is quite low in interestingness calculation." (http://www.flickr.com/groups...). A very old post and the algorithm has changed since then but we can probably say that the gist of it is still true. - Ole Begemann

interesting Ole. I hadn't seen that. I think it would be difficult for Flickr to manually track every group that encourages tags and comments as participation. Per the links above though, photos in DMU have definitely made it into Explore anyways. - Thomas Hawk

Yeah, I have no idea how they maintain a list of the "bad" groups. Further below, SilentObserver mentions his business is writing algorithms to filter them out automatically, though. - Ole Begemann

Here's another good summary of nearly everything the community knows about the Explore algorithm: http://www.flickr.com/groups... - Ole Begemann

Here is an example of tagging. I did not know this woman was a celebrity until after got this shot. It appears on the first page of the image search engines and it has received over 12,000 views. http://flickr.com/photos... - Russellreno

So far I got 3 (!) photos into explore. Their common factor? They all were faved by you (TH) soon after I posted theim. - Guillaume Lemoine

Flickr used to say "who" faves your shots was a part of the Explore algorithm. It wouldn't surprise me if the algorithm weights faves by different people from the Flickr community differently. For instance, Pro accounts where people actually have paid for the service might be weighted higher than non-Pro accounts. More active users might carry more weight with their faves then less active users. Just speculating on this part. - Thomas Hawk

Thomas - I don't think that participation in all groups gets a penalty, just that there are some groups that are penalized as far as Explore is concerned. I simply don't see Explore photos in "Post 1, Comment X" groups - so either there's no explore-worthy photos in those groups (not likely IMHO), or Flickr is penalizing the photos in those groups. - Eric P

such a great post Thomas, thanks for writing it - Dobromir Hadzhiev

As a note to certain groups penalizing your photos...I had a photo (http://www.flickr.com/photos...) that went to explore spot 150 or so. After, I added it to a few groups to see if I could bump it higher. It had the opposite affect and immediately dropped off. I can't say which group exactly did it or if it was the number of groups I submitted to, but adding to groups definitely does come with some sort of penalty. - Justin Korn

If you use FeedBurner, you can splice your Flickr photos into your blog feed. I have it splice my last two photos and I find those have at least 5x the number of views as the ones that aren't in my spliced feed. - Mike Hussein Cohen

Awesome post Thomas. I signed up for Flickr a couple of years ago, but only started using it more regularly after the purchase of a digital SLR camera - so this post is particularly relevant to me. I am still patiently waiting for that first comment/favourite on one of my photos to truly experience the emotions as described by Caterina Fake. - Jeff Smith

Thanks for this post, Thomas. Great tips! - Eric Johnson

Great article Thomas... I was also wondering about what my friend calls 'Shooting for the 75'. That is, a great majority of people only ever see a 75 x 75px thumbnail of your photo. When he processes, he always does a square crop to test how it looks in the frame. Would you like to see proportional thumbnails as an option? - Johnny Worthington

I actually really like the square thumbnails. Heck I really like the square crop period. I think I'm cropping more and more of my photos 4x4 these days. Maybe it's just that I've always loved medium format photography so much, not sure why I'm so drawn to the square crop right now though. I much prefer Flickr's square thumbnails actually. Still would love to see larger sizes on FF like SmugMug's thumbnails. - Thomas Hawk

you're right though. Frequently it's the thumbnail that draws people into a photo. A good looking thumbnail is more likely to be selected by viewers for clicking through to full size viewing, commenting, faving, etc. - Thomas Hawk

One of my very first Flickr experiences was someone in a critique group cutting me down for a square crop. It was a rose in a perfect spiral petal pattern, could only be cropped square as far as I was concerned. LOL...I didn't change it either. - Karoli

Haha, that's funny Karoli. so much of the criticism in critique groups on Flickr is so lame. You should have seen the deleteme critique group ravage a Henry Cartier Bresson photograph who is probably considered by most photo historians as the greatest photographer who ever lived. Read some of these comments on this photo for a laugh: http://www.flickr.com/photos... - Thomas Hawk

I used to work to get photos into explore. I think I probably take better pictures now, but I don't have the time at the moment to put in the work. Lots of community building and commenting went into the mix. I confess, there's a real rush to hitting the front page. I had three in the top 10, and it was a lot of fun. - Karoli

I have been doing a lot of panoramic shots over the past year and I have started to play around with vertical cropping. Taking a portrait photo and cropping a really tight vertical crop: http://www.flickr.com/photos... It's all about how the picture looks to you in the end. Square, circle or hexagon, it's about the sensory reaction :) (and now I'm going to square crop for this week just to try it out, thanks guys) - Johnny Worthington

Thomas, those comments are a hoot! I met some nice people in some of the critique groups, but it didn't take me long to know the critiques weren't helping. I do love Flickr's community...even if I haven't spent a lot of time in it lately. - Karoli

yeah, the attention from Explore can be fun. But I'm pretty unimpressed with a lot of the photos there. I think Flickr could do a much better job with that algorithm. I do find filtering explore just by my contacts though produces more consistently interesting photographs for me. I use this script to do just that: http://www.drewmyersphoto.net/flickr_... - Thomas Hawk

Agree on the photo quality on Explore. Seems like a lot of the same sort of gimmicky stuff lands there. Looking forward to trying the script. - Karoli

Thanks for the article, that opened my eyes up a lot - Alex Carpenter

Hey Karoli, here's you and your daughter by the way. I uploaded this to Zooomr a while back when I was taking a break from Flickr but uploaded it tonight on Flickr. Great fun on that photowalk. http://www.flickr.com/photos... - Thomas Hawk

Hey, cool! Thanks for the pointer. It was a great photowalk, would love to do another sometime soon! - Karoli

Here is one more way to get attention: Comment on this post with a link to one of your photos. I received a hit today from the comment about. http://www.flickr.com/photos... - Russellreno

Good stuff. Worked for me: http://www.flickr.com/photos... - Demetri Mouratis

Chris Brogan

100 Personal Branding Tactics Using Social Media - http://www.chrisbrogan.com/100-per...

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Great list. Who knew there were 100 things you could do? They're all right on though. - Leo Laporte

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This is so weird.. I was just thinking about this today, when I was arguing with my wife about why I post so much stuff. I'm thinking that personal branding is important. - Joe Mac Stevens

Really good stuff, Chris. Thanks for sharing. - Bruce Turner

Thank You! Excellent topic that I will delve into right away. - Wendy J. Roan from twhirl

Excellent piece by Chris! - Charlie Anzman

add this to listropolis - http://www.listropolis.com/2008... - shaun mclane

except that you do a US only list it is a nice list. would it really be asked too much to at least recognize that for example linkedin does not rule the world and write "join the leading biz network, like for example linkedin"? - Nicole Simon

Holy crap, Chris! This is great stuff! Would you say personal branding is for anyone, or more for people who have something to sell through their online persona (a product, service, or opinion)? - Zach Landes

thanks Chris - what a great resource - wil be sending this to all my staff - if only they will DO IT! :) - Brad from twhirl

Wow, this list is awesome Chris. Thanks for sharing it. - Jason Runyan

Kick Ass - Dave Peck

great article with fantastic tips - Mick Edwards

100 Personal Branding Tactics Using Social Media. Your title is awfully modest considering you covered every marketing aspect in the online world. - Collin

One of the great things about blogging is it gives businesses the opportunity to listen. Your point about listening is well taken. - John P. Kreiss

Simon

Photoshop: What Photoshop Would Look Like in Real Life - http://gizmodo.com/5080163...

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Larger version here: http://www.flickr.com/photos... - Simon

Vincent X

Iceland teeters on the brink of bankruptcy - http://news.yahoo.com/s...

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"Iceland could be the first country to declare bankruptcy due to the financial meltdown." - Vincent X

So sad. - Raoul Pop

I thought that was a Mac OS X desktop and the house was a dock icon! - Andrew Trinh

Mitchell Tsai

Premontion poster (750×1073) [le-petit-ange.webobo.com] - http://le-petit-ange.webobo.com/part...

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With movie-ad text (1, 774x1100) http://img219.imageshack.us/img219... (2, 1600x1200) http://sonypictures.com/movies... - Mitchell Tsai from Bookmarklet

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Thanks Zee from WeDoCreative (7 comments, 45 likes) http://friendfeed.com/e... and [tywkiwdbi.blogspot.com, 10/11/08] http://tywkiwdbi.blogspot.com/2008... for posting this. - Mitchell Tsai

I was gonna say, Mitchell, that looks like the same thing that Zee posted earlier today. It's a little creepy, don't ya think? - Pete Delucchi

Pete: Sorry I was a little slow in my credits... :-) ;-) I thought it was an awesome shot, but Zee's link is to a blogger photo which was smaller, so I went looking for a bigger photo for my collection (I have these on my computer as desktops in a whole folder of awesome pics...) - Mitchell Tsai

hey, I'm just happy you're posting things here again, Mitchell, either I've had awful timing for the last week or so and missed your posts, or you've been posting less? Either way, I'm glad to see ya! - Pete Delucchi

Pete: I was off-line for 22 days, so I just started catching up 2 days ago. Good to see you again. - Mitchell Tsai

22 days?! No wonder it felt like there was a lot less Mitchell around here. Glad to see ya back, we missed ya, brother! - Pete Delucchi

Thanks Pete! - Mitchell Tsai

Mitchell Tsai

sanpan boat with old/new buildings (900×591) [jchip8, Pixdaus] - http://pixdaus.com/pics...

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http://pixdaus.com/single... Saved to vi.sualize.us http://vi.sualize.us/view... - Mitchell Tsai from Bookmarklet

Mark Trapp

Robert Heinlein's Bizarre Fan Mail Response Letter - http://io9.com/5048215...

September 11, 2008 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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From io9: "When Kevin "Wired" Kelly worked with the Whole Earth Catalog, he happened to receive a piece of mail from renowned scifi author Robert Heinlein. Apparently Kelly had mailed Heinlein, and in response he got this bizarre form letter that Heinlein sent to all his correspondents. The author would simply check the appropriate box in answer and mail it off. What's great about the letter is that some of the boxes refer to extremely granular things, like references to obscure articles about science in long-gone publications." - Mark Trapp from Bookmarklet

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I love Robert Heinlein. What a great response letter :) - RAPatton

Mark, this was a very good find!!! - RAPatton

I love the last option: even though the letter was outstanding and he was so pleased to respond, he *still* sends the automated form letter. :-P - Mark Trapp

Anna Haro

OBEY

September 10, 2008 - Comment - Like - Share

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Fight the power. - Bren -- Not Grinchy

Marshall Kirkpatrick

omfg http://hasthelargehadroncollid... awesome

September 9, 2008 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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What time is this expected to start? - Joe Dawson

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I think it's supposed to say "the universe" instead of "the world." Either way, not good! - Dean Terry

I hope I won't see a Fail Whale on that website. - imabonehead

Six pints of bitter and quickly please. The world’s about to end. - Jim Stanger

Alejandro

Monasteries of Meteora, Greece |Photos | Sooth Brush - http://www.soothbrush.com/monaste...

September 8, 2008 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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With the current mortgage crisis I'm waiting for one of these babies to go into foreclosure so I can pick it up cheap. - Jim Stanger

WOW !!!! - Mohammad - kimyagar

William Harryman

Western Buddhist Culture - http://zenfilter.blogspot.com/2008...

September 7, 2008 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

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"One of the great things that I find about Buddhism is how the common thread of peace, truth and liberation of mind are present in all forms of Buddhism. Vajrayana(Tibetan being one example), Theravada, Mahayana(Zen being one example) are the 3 major schools, though there are many others. The basic principles are the most important thing, that the core teachings to do not change. It does not matter what coat of tradition you flavor it with, in fact, over the centuries, Buddhism has worked its way into the lifestyle of the culture where it sits and does not become the culture." - William Harryman

Mitchell Tsai

Taringa! - MegaPost Wallpapers Playas - http://www.taringa.net/posts...

August 4, 2008 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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Warning: Slow-loading page. Click on the photos to see/download the 1600 x 1200 versions. - Mitchell Tsai from Bookmarklet

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I'll soon run out of Like's if Mitchell keeps this pace of sharing nice pics :) - Jemm

Joni: FriendFeed allows ~200 likes/day. :-)) Even at my pace, I only have 2 days worth of internal posts (< 400 posts for the past 5 months). P.S. Thomas Hawk has 14,000+ favorites in his Flickr collection, try http://flickr.com/photos... For every Flickr photographer, You can slideshow (a) their pics (b) their favorites. Good reason to have lots of computer screens for showing pics & YouTube videos. - Mitchell Tsai

teh purty - SciFi Ranter Girl

yep. It's a great collection. I liked 80-90% of the pictures, which almost never happens. Some beautiful work. Now I just have to hunt down the originals & figure out where they were taken. - Mitchell Tsai

magical - johnpiercy

#3: http://i18.tinypic.com/7xayizc... - Mitchell Tsai