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So have all the geeks left FriendFeed? Reply to this post with where you feel you fall - 'geek' or 'non-geek'. :-) EDIT: I think that's pretty clear, the geeks have *not* left FriendFeed. :-)

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Geek! - Travis Koger

GEEK - johnpiercy

not really a geek. somewhere in between. - vijay

According to my friends, geek ... - Irma Vermaat

I fall between the two.. - Simon Wicks

Geek(-ish)! - Adrian Scicluna

Geek. - Robert Scoble

a carnival performer who does disgusting acts eccentric: a person with an unusual or odd personality , or an individual with a passion for computers, to the exclusion of other normal human interests. I assume we are using the last definition? - Brian Sullivan

Geek!! - Chris Zlatis

Geek. With an unusual or odd personality. - Mark H

both: happy&nice??mix of geek and non-geek xoxo - anjelina

Technophile not talented enough to be a real geek. - Eric Logan

geek. definitely - Imabug

geek! - Josh Lam

Geek, I suppose. - Vera Hannaford

GEEK! - Daniel Vining

Geek, but you wouldn't know it by most of my FriendFeed postings. - ha3rvey (Ho)^3

Geek. - rowlikeagirl

I'm definitely a geek, but not nearly as much of a geek as some others. - Curtiss Grymala

Geek and proud! - Parvez Halim

non-geek - teh Dork Knight aka Kenny

Me? nah! Everything But The Geek! - directeur

I am a big Geek and I am still here - Rob Cairns

It's all Geek to me - Tim Ostler

Geek! - Oytnx

Geek, reporting in. - Jason Huebel

(former) GEEK - Joe Silence is not Santa

Half breed, still here. - Thom Kennon

D&D playing IT pro = very geeky - Alex Scrivener

geek, but losing interest in FF as others catch up with features - Chris Rogers

I am here but it is up to others to decide whether I am geek or not. - ashish

Geek - Roberto Bonini from iPhone

Geek - Holger Eilhard

Gleek! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - josh neff, geek at large

Geek! - chris

Geek - احسان دیاری با لوتوس

Geek!!! - adataghost

Geeky! - Willem (@wim66) ☠

geek! - لوتوس با احسان دیاری

Geek, but not in terms of tech, rather comic books, etc. :) - Derrick

You hand in your ticket...And you go watch the geek...Who immediately walks up to you...When he hears you speak...And says, "How does it feel...To be such a freak?"...And you say, "Impossible"...As he hands you a bone - Greg Guitarbuster

Geek, of course. That's why I don't fit in on other social networks. - April Russo (app103)

Nerd and Proud™! (which should count as geek) - Marco Fabbri

geek, absolutely! - Stephanie

Geeek (1 more e ) of course ! - Oğulcan Selçuk Akbulut

Geek! Per your hypothesis that geek have left FF, where else would they have flocked to? - See-ming Lee 李思明 SML

non-geek - chaz2b

@Marco Fabbri: Nerd != Geek. In SML Dictionary, Nerds have no fashion sense and can't talk to people, Geeks generally have a fashion sense and can carry on a conversation relatively ok; nerds usually wear white t-shirts and white sneakers; Geeks generally wear black t-shirts and black sneakers. A classic example: Nerd = Bill gates; Geek = Steve Jobs! - See-ming Lee 李思明 SML

depends on what we are geeking out about. if we're talking about music, shoes, spinning, dyeing, yarn, german history, b movies and zombies- then ubergeek. - Mary Carmen

reformed non-geek - Marco(aureliusmaximus)

geek, but not the tech type of geek, more like a geeky nerd - William Harryman

Geek in some respects. Non geek in others. So...semi geek - Tamara from iPhone

left as not "left" but they kinda abandoned it/reduced the usage - ffcode

@See-ming Lee that is indeed controversial. Anyway as choice was given between geek and non-geek I meant some degree of nerd counts as geek. - Marco Fabbri

Geek. But I post as much political stuff as tech... - Christopher Galtenberg

I'm like a geek's groupie. - MicahBear78

Geek! Still is. Still, Zu is using FF. - ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,

@Marco Fabbri Well I think that all geeks are nerds, but all nerds != geeks. I believe that Set(Geek) includes Set(Nerd) but this is a question I have been thinking about for years now and I don't yet have a conclusion yet. But at least that's where I'm at now! - See-ming Lee 李思明 SML

Geek. - Brome

Geek. - Tanath

I am still here. I am not sure I am a geek. But, you know, I am not the most objective person when considering myself. - Martha

Geek. - Heather

Geekie - Moved to Facebook

If we were doing this in Google Wave, we could've used a poll gadget. Anyone got a Wave invite to spare for a fellow geek! :0) - Daniel Vining

Not fitting the both. I'm big of a nerd. - Burcu Dogan

Geek! - Martin Bryant from iPhone

Geek - Rasmus Lauridsen

mutant geek - bob phillips

Geek to the last! - Jemm

geek, definitely - Michele Costabile

Geek, but I prefer "nerd"... a geek is someone who bites the heads off chickens in a carnival sideshow. - Andy Bakun from Android

I've always thought of myself as a nerd, but, according to Alex Scoble's definition, I'm not. So I guess i'm not sure. - Mistletoe Glen

What is Alex's definition? :-) - Kol Tregaskes

What the heck is the point of this question? Could a non-geek even use FriendFeed?? - Chrimmus Tad

Geek, but I'd enjoy and use Friendfeed even if I weren't. - Micah Wittman

Certified Geek - Giraffes Up In The AIr

I am very much a geek, but I don't talk software here and concentrate on other things like science, art, entertainment ... - RAPatton

geek - Bill Scherer

Geek: I have totally noticed a lack of conversation. Agh! - Zachary TG

Portable Geek - Hussein EROL

geek - Jan Ole Peek

Neither. - Itachi

Not a geek - R1CC1

geek-ish - Amber, Random Time Lord

Hell to the naw...all the real geeks are still here. - Alex Scoble

Definite geek! Or should I say gEEk, cause I'm an EE. - Kevin L

Still here, still geeky! - Joel Bennett

My wife says I'm a geek. - Jeff P. Henderson

Geek - Michael Hocter

Geek - Mitchell Tsai

Geek - Brian Schwartz

Geek - Andrew Terry from iPod

That looks like a lot of geeks. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Geek :) - Susan Beebe from iPhone

Geek, with hints of nerd - Christopher A Carr

I'm going with something I been told: 'you have chips for brains!' - Grant Bierman

;) - A.T.

geek - gloomy deranged pervert

Geek! - Nikos Anagnostou

Geek. I guess I might qualify at least partially for a nerd, since I have to ask my husband if my shirt matches my pants... - Eph Zero

Italian geek. - marc

geek-esque, but more of a "creative type". I have geeky interests. - Kamilah Gill

linux geek - Joe Geeting

geek - 9000

Geek - Murat Ozoral

I'm with Kamilah - I like that - "creative geek." - Amy℠

g33k - Kevin Mohr

none-geek - Amin Diary

non-geek & non-nerd... =p - Özgür D. Cyric

I never thought of myself as a geek, but I guess I am being on intenet 24/7. - Ton Zijp

Geek I am still here - Steve Mott

geek! - MiniMage TKDteacher of FF

GEEEEEEKKKKK! - WorldofHiglet

Geek who still thinks FF adds lots of value regardless of volume of engagement. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

geek - тут не место для

still here (I post this a lot) and still geek. - Mike Nencetti

i didnt leave yet, geek. Also, Ozgur Duru is a geek and a hopeless nerd too. he is lying! - Bahriye

dorkalicious nerdtastic geek - Heather

Geek, of course. - i80and

I'm either a geek, or I play one on TV. I forget which sometimes. - LogEx

Uhh, negative. I am a meat popsicle. - Josh Haley

i'm a one of a kind internet legend - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

Geek .. for sure - Bhowmik Shah

Most definitely a Geek. - Give 'Em DBizness from iPod

I'm not a geek. I'm a turbocharged, direct fuel injected GEEK. - Mike Nayyar

Geek. :) - Dr. Apps from twhirl

I think the social media writer early adopters have left, the geeks, it seems are still here - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

still here :) - Stanislas Jourdan

geek...still here... - ovigia

Geek - DAL from iPhone

Geek - Juan Pablo González

I dable .. compared to my friends, Geek! - Chris Myles

dude I SHIT geek, I'm so geek - sofarsoShawn

Wannabe-geek :) - JA Castillo

dork - Hutch Carpenter

sex machine - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah

Former geek, but no longer - Mark "DerBingle" J

healing my wounded inner geek. i went freak for a while, then artsy-hipster... keeping hints of those, but the foundation is looking mighty geek. - T. Brent, technopeasant

Meek. They say we'll inherit it. - howard shippin from BuddyFeed

Geek, of course. - Steven Perez

Geek - Glenn Slaven

Geek - Aram Zucker-Scharff

Geek and I'm still here! - Nicholas Kreidberg

wannabe geek, follower of geeks... can't find better geeks elsewhere... who will talk to me LOL - Holly Rae

geek! - Lee

Geek - Amber

Geek in the making ;) - 'Like' robot (frɐnc)

Geek! (And hacker of memes, too. ;) - Dennis Jernberg

Geek :P - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick

geek - Bruce Lewis

Geek. - Kevin Pedraja

no geek - marsupilamima

geek - Barijaona Ramaholimihaso

I don't know... How can I tell if I am a geek? - J. Abdul-Qahhar

Not a geek. But I am a Social Media Expert, as you know. - Jim: Dead Like FF from iPhone

eek - Djordje Lukic

Geek, for sure! - Brian Jude from twhirl

keeg ;p - zʍıɔ

Geek - 2icarly3

g33k - Tom Silk from twhirl

I still here Kol. Forever G33K..! - ★ Soner Gönül

Cool, Soner. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

nope! we shall stand until the end! no matter the cost! - Darth Farhad Sama

today im a geek b - R_ C

Non-geek. But I'm in denial. ;) - Meryn Stol

Geek - Nathan Snyder

Geek - Nils Sandin

I think that's pretty clear, the geeks have *not* left FriendFeed. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Geek... - Carlos Sousa

Sorta geek-leaning. - MVB (Grinch of FF)

greek geek who left twitter:) - Citronella

geek - James Williams

Geek! - prozacfield

The way I look at it, most of my friends primarily use Facebook OR Twitter. A few use both, and a few have YouTube Accounts. They don't read RSS feeds or use Google Reader or Digg or StumbleUpon. Therefore, non-geeks cannot see the benefits of this aggregation power (anyone agree or not?) - Nathan Snyder

Proof that geeks have NOT left FriendFeed? ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

Non-geek being converted by the boyfriend. - Nurse Katie

Geek++ - mikepk

Hehe, Katie, don't do it. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

GEEK. But not just a tech geek. Geekery comes in many forms. - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF

I'm a geek to the core. A multi-faceted geek at that. - tinypants - Hagitha of FF

I hate the word geek. Anything but it. - Itachi

femgeek and renaissance geek - Melanie Reed

Geek - RetiredTeacherD

Geek! - James Myatt

Robert Scoble

@jesseslinks it is really lame to attack lists like that. I can block any list which would remove it from my own directory.

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are you sure - what happens when google traverses the list from outside of your social graph - block avoided - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

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Good to see that blocking the list maker removes you from the list. Should still be able to opt out of lists - Mark Trapp

Yes, I'm sure. Blocking completely removes you from the list. Mark: you can opt out of lists. Just block the lists people put you on. - Robert Scoble

FTR I wasn't attacking them. That link comes from Mark Trapp. It's an interesting conversation though. Also cool that you can block a list and take yourself out of it. - Jesse Stay

Robert, you can't block lists. You can block people who created lists, which by extension, removes you from the list. That doesn't help people who want to opt out of a list but not block the list creator; I point this out in my post about not wanting to be in technology lists for example. Beyond that, the core issue is that Twitter is now allowing other users to modify your profile... more... - Mark Trapp

I also don't understand why it's lame - Mark has some valid points. - Jesse Stay

FWIW Facebook has this with photo tagging - Twitter should do something similar. If you're "tagged" in a photo or video, you can immediately remove the tag. You can also set privacy preferences as to who can see tagged photos/videos of you (based on list). - Jesse Stay

That's really all that's required, Jesse: I think it's a simple security/privacy consideration that shouldn't change the functionality of lists. Right now, however, the functionality makes a privacy assumption that doesn't exist anywhere else in Twitter, and people ought to know that or Twitter needs to fix it. - Mark Trapp

And thus begins privacy controls in Twitter, and thus starts Twitter's journey towards competing with Facebook. :-) - Jesse Stay

Jesse - have the battle with privacy is not the automated control you put in but the Human Element. If you are that concerned about privacy control it yourself - Rob Cairns

Rob, I'm not sure where I said anything about automation - Jesse Stay

Mark, I'm not really seeing your argument here, it sounds a bit paranoid. If someone puts you on a benign list you don't want to be on for some reason, just contact the list creator. If they fail to comply with a polite request, they are NOT your friend and you just block them. Why would you feel the need to still follow them? If someone puts you on a malevolent list of some sort... more... - Alex Schleber

BTW, I just scoured Scoble's first few hundred "listed" entries (of his current 1400+), and the most egregious terms I could find were "echochamber", "tech freak", and "scobleitis" :) Hardly slander/libel material. And you know someone out there isn't big on Robert, but I doubt they will bother to add him to a negative list. They just blocked him early on... - Alex Schleber

Mark: have you even tried this? Steve Gillmor and I have. If I block a list's owner it removes me from all of his lists. - Robert Scoble

which I have. he's so blocked. Check Tech Pundits. I'm not there. - Steve Gillmor

Robert: you said repeatedly you can block a list. I said you can't: you can only block a list creator, which subsequently blocks any list they created. Now you're saying the exact same thing I said. There's a difference I don't think you're picking up on: I want to be able to remove myself from lists, not block people. If I have a friend who's decided to categorize me as "technology" and I don't want to be in that list, my only recourse is to block my friend. That's not ideal at all. - Mark Trapp

On top of the fact that blocking is reactive, not preventative. I have to realize I'm in a list before I can take action to remove myself from it. I don't want to be part of any technology related lists, yet I have to wait until someone tags me as such before I can block that person to remove myself from it. Why aren't lists opt-in, especially considering the list memberships show up on my profile? I have no control over a major part of my profile, which is unlike any other part of Twitter. - Mark Trapp

At the very least, list shouldn't be part of my profile (since I can't control, directly, what lists I'm apart of) and I should be able to remove myself from a list without blocking the list creator. I don't see how that's unreasonable or the argument against having those two pieces of functionality. - Mark Trapp

One of the bigger problems I have with sites like Facebook is that I have no control over how others see my public profile (right now you'll prob see 16+ yr old girls asking you to contact them, surrounding my profile. I'm happily married, have 4 kids. Mark has a point. It's hard to maintain a personal brand on the web, and others that can classify you (wrongly) won't help. Then again Twitter is 90% bots so I don't think many will notice - Alexander van Elsas

Alexander: actually Twitter isn't 90% bots. Just 50%. :-) - Robert Scoble

Alexander, have you tried privacy settings in Facebook? That's why you use Facebook - it gives you that control. (I thought this conversation was about Twitter) (confused) - Jesse Stay

Robert, I'm suspecting you are a bot too. Can we do a turing test right now to see :-) - Alexander van Elsas

Jesse, I tried. But I couldn't find that switch that protected me from Facebook themselves. So I gave up. - Alexander van Elsas

Alexander: I'm a bot with awesome voice recognition. :-) - Robert Scoble

Alexander - protected you from Facebook themselves? It's called your own blog. :-) - Jesse Stay

Jesse, I just looked you up on Facebook. I saw a "buy this cheap house now, color your picture into a cartoon, and a dental advertisement. What does that say about you? Are you a cheap cartoon real-estate dentist, or are you a cool web 2.0 dude? - Alexander van Elsas

Alexander where are you seeing this? Are you looking at http://facebook.com/stay? - Jesse Stay

search: Jesse stay - Alexander van Elsas

The thing is Jesse, you can set settings any way you want, but Facebook has an advertisement based model. So they'll display ads, usually incredibly badly targeted, next to your profile. And there is nothing that prevents them from doing that. If I use Facebook to connect to people I care about, then I do not want to be associated with badly targeted ads (or any ads for that matter) - Alexander van Elsas

BTW, it took me 2 screen refreshes to see a beautiful, but way too young girl next to your profile ;-) - Alexander van Elsas

Alexander, not sure that has anything to do with Twitter or Facebook then - the only place you're completely safe from that stuff is your own blog. BTW, click on the profile - of course you're going to see non-related info next to my name in a search. - Jesse Stay

Jesse, don't agree. Facebook is for connecting with friends (or business partners). Important in your social interactions. So if Facebook serves badly targeted ads next to your profile it sucks. Especially on the search page, which is the most likely place people that are looking for you will find you! Their business model makes this happen. And their privacy settings only relate to your privacy towards other users, not towards Facebook. They own it all. Sorry for the hijack, will stop now. - Alexander van Elsas

Still not sure what you're arguing Alexander. I've never had trouble finding close friends and family. Your results will get much more accurate when those friends are already friends of other friends of yours, which is usually the case of how I find people on Facebook. If not, just Google them - those profiles are indexable for at least their names. - Jesse Stay

Your profile is the first that comes up here: http://www.google.com/search... - Jesse Stay

Alexander, I agree. It seems to me that there are targeted ads (some I find really offensive as if they think they know what I want) but then there are also ads that are random: they are going to always go for the wide net with those. - Melanie Reed

Jesse, my point is that if someone searches and finds me on Facebook, Facebook will display ads on the search result page next to my profile. Those ads tend to be badly targeted. Let's say an old friend, business partner, or recruiter is looking for me and sees those ads of 16 yr old girls looking for some action next to my profile, what does that make them think about me? - Alexander van Elsas

That there are badly-placed ads just like everywhere else on Facebook next to your profile. What does this have to do with removing yourself from Twitter lists? - Jesse Stay

I mentioned it because I think I understand why Mark Trapp is questioning the way lists have been implemented on Twitter. It is a similar issue I think. If they incorrectly categorize or misplace me ('real-estate-heroes'), it affects how others will perceive me. (Hope I'm right Mark :-) ) - Alexander van Elsas

Alexander I don't see the relation in that case - you can't remove yourself from Twitter search either so long as you have a Twitter account, and you can bet that will have ads in the very near future. What about Google, that places ads around your content? That's just the price for being on the web. What Mark's talking about is the actions of other users - how can I remove myself from a list some other user has placed me in? What you're talking about is a much bigger problem of the web as a whole. - Jesse Stay

Not looking to be right or wrong, just mentioned it. But hey, I haven't seen this much discussion action on FF in a while :-) - Alexander van Elsas

I'm talking about both things: someone else shouldn't be able to dictate, by implication or otherwise, how I'm perceived on my own profile. People can @ me, or say, on their own Twitter stream, that I'm a dick, or a puppy killer, or whatever, but that's attached to them, not to my profile. The way Twitter lists are implemented, they're attached to me rather than the person making the... more... - Mark Trapp

Mark I don't see how that has anything to do with search though (re: both things) - Jesse Stay

Alex said I was questioning the way lists have been implemented on Twitter, that if someone incorrectly categorizes me, it affects how people perceive me. You said that I'm talking about the actions of other users, and how can I remove myself from a list a user has placed me in. Both things are under the domain of my argument. I don't really care about search, unless, as Alex is suggesting, things I didn't consent to are being attached to my profile in a search result. - Mark Trapp

Mark, the latter is just a part of being on the web. Don't open an internet browser if you don't want that. You can't control that on Twitter or Facebook or Google or even your own site (assuming you allow ads) for that matter. It's crazy to think anyone can control how they show up in a search result in relation to ads. - Jesse Stay

Mark: you are wrong and the era of control is over (Steve Gillmor tells me that every show). Personally this is freaking awesome that you can see how people perceive me. And I can see it too. If I don't like how people are perceiving me, I can block them or I can contact them and try to change how they perceive me. But so far I've been looking at thousands of people and this system is REMARKABLY accurate. - Robert Scoble

Jesse: which is why I don't care about search, and it isn't part of my argument. Alex is making a stronger connection between the ads served and my profile, and if he's correct, then there's a problem. But I'm fine with him, not me, tackling that problem: I think the Twitter list implementation is problematic even without considering search implications. - Mark Trapp

Hey Robert, Just looked you up on Facebook and I saw a pretty sleezy looking girl next to you. Facebook decided to do that. You may not mind, but I think it sucks within the context of Facebook and what it should stand for (connecting friends). Facebook could easily decide not to present that advertisement, but they don't. And with that, they affect our personal brand. Jesse. Don't... more... - Alexander van Elsas

Robert: there's nothing particular about the Twitter list implementation that ensures that they are being used for actual perception, and not for other uses (I outlined two: spam and maliciousness). Very basic functionality could be added to lists to mitigate those, non legitimate, uses without changing the core functionality. For instance, your use case you just described, being able to see how others perceive you, does not require lists being public or attached to your profile. - Mark Trapp

Alexander your argument is ridiculous and I'm just going to leave it at that - this is getting repetitive. I see Robert's side of this on the lists - personally, it doesn't matter to me too much. In the end I could just report it to Twitter, but I always have the option of blocking. IMO if the individual isn't willing to remove me from one of their lists after respectfully asking them they deserve to be blocked. They're jerks anyway. - Jesse Stay

Mark: actually, having them attached to your profile and public means I can learn about how others view YOU. This is ABSOLUTELY HUGE in networking. But, yes, I can see why it would freak you out. You better be nice to all of us or else we'll put you on the nasty list. :-) - Robert Scoble

Jesse, 'your argument is ridiculous' is a good way of shutting me up. I won't say another word - Alexander van Elsas

@Robert: You said at #140Conf that Lists aren't spammable. I say they will be. What if scumbag spammers create multiple accounts and add all their usernames to various lists? So, your search for "pilots" could be yield a bunch of phony lists with fake pilots. You could eventually go through the trouble of blocking all those users to kill the lists, but a big waste of time for you. Others could be fooled. - Bryan Person

@vanelsas you are forgetting that Facebook is targeting those ads AT YOU. They primarily go by YOUR demographics and profile keywords from what I understand. Either way, people understand that ads are not the responsibility of the profile owner (most of them get completely ignored anyway). I really don't get your and Mark's fears about this stuff. Seems overblown. So what if someone says something you don't like about or near you? It's called life...deal with it. - Alex Schleber

@alex I am not asking you or anyone else to agree with me. Relax. - Alexander van Elsas from iPhone

Like anything, lists need to be taken with grain of salt. Most will be ego boosts and people trying to chum one another. I don't think lists will be a "game changer". Too subjective. - Kasey Skala

This is why lists is in beta, to work out the kinks and I'm sure if it becomes an issue, Twitter will add the ability to opt-out. Perhaps instead of opting out it would be better to use an opt-in format. If someone adds my name to a list I get a DM from Twitter asking me if I want to be on it and if I don't reply in the affirmative I'm not added to the list. - Hugh Briss

Having to block a person to come off their list is like having to report a newsletter as spam rather than simply unsubscribing. Not to mention it raises flags with Twitter's abuse people when someone is blocked by several people. - Rooker

Jesse Stay

So my wife gets lists before I do. We know whose account will get used as my test account now :-)

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What's funny is I have 6 accounts of my own and she gets the lists. - Jesse Stay

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You are blacklisted. - Louis Gray

I guess so. Time to change Twitter identities? - Jesse Stay

Seriously, Louis? - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah

I thought everybody got lists yesterday. I did. So what was the selection criteria do you suppose? - Melanie Reed

Ryan Sarver told me it was completely random, no selection criteria at all. They couldn't even put me in as a developer until my number got picked. (which is BS because I know developers "chosen" for the developer beta) - Jesse Stay

Well,Jesse, if I could give you mine, I'd do it. I'm not particularly ready to play with it yet as I have other things I'm concentrating on at the moment. - Melanie Reed

Melanie, the only reason I want it is for development. I'm much more enthusiastic, from a user perspective, about Facebook. I do see ways to incorporate this into SocialToo though so I want to play with it to do that. Also, Facebook doesn't yet let you group fan pages into lists or anonymize lists like Twitter does so I might find some benefit there as well. - Jesse Stay

Actually, I'm wrong - I just realized I can add fan pages to lists. Cool. Wondering if I can do some stuff from an API perspective now. - Jesse Stay

So it looks like in Facebook the only capability I need now is the ability to share my lists with others. Ideally those that I share with should only be able to see those with permissions set to be visible to others. This would include all fan pages (the equivalent to a Twitter profile). - Jesse Stay

Which I can already do via the API - Jesse Stay

Jesse - with your brilliance a) everyone -even Twitter - knows you've been doing your own "lists" for a while! b) you'd test it so heavy the system would blow up! *giggle* - Arleen Anderson

Arleen, lol! In all honesty, I have been doing lists for awhile via FriendFeed and Facebook, so you're right there. The only reason I really want to test it right now though is for SocialToo - for those that prefer Twitter I really see some potential for lists to remove the need for unfollow. - Jesse Stay

Keep in mind I'm in this as an entrepreneur, not to necessarily find news. I can find news, but it's not my sole purpose or mindset right now. - Jesse Stay

I am still waiting for lists myself, - Rob Cairns

Can I share FriendFeed lists on SocialToo? I can imagine API calls to dump list data there and subscribe to others. - Bruce Lewis

I finally got lists, so I've finally stopped complaining (at the end, I begged @twitter on bended knee). Once I got lists, the first thing I did was create my big NaNoWriMo list which is probably the biggest one built so far. When I saw how many lists I was on, I found out that I was on just about everybody else's NaNoWriMo lists already. So I'm pleased, though I might now complain about how hard it is to create big lists out of my nearly 1,500 followers. So it goes... - Dennis Jernberg

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Why I don't use Google Reader anymore - http://scobleizer.posterous.com/why-i-d...

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İnteresting..! I think Google Reader is very usefull app - ★ Soner Gönül

Can't wait to get the Lists feature enabled! Very good post! - Gerardo Capetillo

Adopting Twitter for news reading is a huge commitment to read instantly all news (bc they don't archive, right?). It's insane ... But yes gReader is too heavy. - N.G. Gordon - RadarSync from iPod

I just don't understand how you process all those tweets per day. I'm sure lists make it easier. Personally, I like the static nature of Google Reader because I can quickly scan folders by date-time or feed and then mark things with a star if I want to read them later, quick notes on shared items, etc. And of course all the shared stories post here on FriendFeed then Twitter. Normally I keep FF up all day but just began with threadsy and I confess it's got me looking at my Twitter stream MUCH more. - Ankush Narula

What about using feedly, Robert?? - Roberto Bonini

but even on twitter you must be missing things - ffcode

funny... cause i still read your blogs in reader... its got its place... tracking rss feeds from youtube, photography sites etc etc etc... if people want to follow what you write, you should not have to write your blog AND post the link to twitter... redundant! and will make twitter even noiser! why not let people pull at their leisure... the two things are for different times of the... more... - simran

i am still wondering how can you read so many tweets and then those links to articles wow - ffcode

Robert, my favourite news reader, NetNewsWire started using Google Reader for synchronization and it's a failure. I now get most of my news via FriendFeed and Twitter. - Khürt Williams

I agree on that you about iPhone Greader apps, most of them suck in someway or another: too slow, missing feature ect. "RSS" is best that I have tested, it was free for sometime and I like it most that I have try, but still more I want use Greader iPhone site. About slowness, I don't have that but that's because I "only" have over 250 sources, when some people have thousands. And part... more... - Kristian Salonen

Re Point 8. Check out "RSS Flash G" iPhone GoogleReader App. It lets you share, from iPhone, like a good thing, supports FaceBook, Twitter, Delicious, Instapaper and of course all googlereader sharing facilities are there too. These are two entirely different methods of discovery they both have their uses. But sharing from GoogleReader on the iPhone is EASY so I hope that takes care of point number 8. - JSLeFanu

ffcode: actually on Twitter I miss very little. Why? Retweets and repetition. And, we always have TechMeme as the big net! - Robert Scoble

I just got Lists so i haven't had a chance to really get to grips with it, but I think the problem Robert is that you're trying to apply your usage cases to everyone else. I use Reader in a different way to the way I use Twitter. Just like I use FriendFeed differently to Twitter or Reader. - Eoghann Irving

I guess if you are recycling tweets don't need GReader, if you are munging petabytes via Yahoo Pipes, than GReader will pull stuff fresh off the press - Robert Higgins

Eoghann: over and over in my career I've been told that I'm not like everyone else, but then everyone else behaves like me only about a year later. So, see ya next year! - Robert Scoble

Robert: ahh, yeah, I guess Yahoo Pipes is one thing that might keep me on Google Reader -- if I used it. I'm going to delete everyone on my Google Reader account and start over. It's so freaking slow that it's totally useless, even for the few things I could see some utility for. - Robert Scoble

Robert, it doesn't *always* happen like that. Sometimes it's two years. :-) - Bruce Lewis

Robert, that's a silly argument. If you make enough predictions (and you make them daily). You will of course sometimes be right. But you are not always right. FriendFeed? - Eoghann Irving

Eoghann: I was right about FriendFeed. It's just that Twitter and Facebook are now going to turn into FriendFeed. Just watch. Twitter's new RT feature looks a LOT like FriendFeed's likes. - Robert Scoble

Eoghann: but I get where you're going. By the way, 50,000+ followed me here. So, something about FriendFeed was interesting enough to sign into it. - Robert Scoble

well, you certainly helped make it interesting. But at first, I didn't really understand it's value proposition vis-a-vis Facebook. And now, with things like ping.fm, is it's value really that much? Not sure - I mainly use it for the tray functionality so I can keep up with you, Mrinal, and Danny. Otherwise, I'd completely get behind your posts. - Arthur Coleman

Arthur: FriendFeed's value is static, while the others are rolling out new features. So, for me, it's better to bet on Facebook or Twitter. But FriendFeed will be better for things like live conversations or real time search for quite some time. - Robert Scoble

I love FriendFeed. But I don't recommend it to everyone else. For a lot of my offline friends Facebook is a better fit. Again I come back to the fact it's not one size fits all. - Eoghann Irving

I prefer accessing Google Reader via feedly. - Nils Sandin

Well I tend to miss many important things on twitter.. not my fault. .. time zones differ and so do the times articles are published and linked on twitter ... On my google reader they always stay .. i can check them when i want .. so twitter better than GR? .. yes for breaking news .. not for general articles .. - Amit

Amit: on Twitter they always stay too. It's just that Twitter has a lot more flow. But now with lists you can cut down the flow. - Robert Scoble

Robert: I agree they stay. but it is not difficult to lose them in all the tweet flow. i know lists allows you to cut down the flow, but not if lists has many twitters added to it. I want to read what you write more than what you share and I do not want to miss those articles. Google Reader will always remain my first preference for that.. - Amit

Google Reader certainly is trying to become more social, but for me too the experience is an awful lot like keeping up with email - needs daily management, pruning, to get information out of it. I freak out thinking I've missed an article, therefore dread trying to keep up with reader. I get that using Twitter makes news reading about the here and now, and frankly if it's important it will be tweeted for days to come. I think the notion of getting news from Twitter is a good one, particularly with lists. - Mark Aitken

And for the record, I'm keeping off Wave until it feels less like email too. Currently it's a very messy and exhausting experience to use. - Mark Aitken

Twitter with Lists has become my defacto RSS reader. - Rubin

Just opened my co twitter account & was invited to "create list", I like the way you have broken it down!! I might just organize mine this way, to also include, clean energy, smartgrid, energy management etc. Thanks for a great post!! - John Tastad

Scobe's in the wrizong. - Jeremy (on vacation)

Amit: again, if you use lists you DO NOT HAVE TWEET FLOW!!! How can I make you guys understand this? Make a list with five people on it. Your flow will go to nothing. - Robert Scoble

finally got lists. looking forward to seeing what the buzz is all about. - Bill Kinney

still waiting on lists... am not in love with GR... folder heirachy and speed drive me nuts... - andy

Got list!! It's gonna make organizing specific followers by categories so much better and following specific tweets easier!! Customized information at your finger tips.. - Angels In Action

Twitter lists might make me change my mind. but for now, google reader is where I get all my news. - Bob Blunk from BuddyFeed

Is your issue against google reader or rss feed readers in general? I find my rss reader is an invaluable resource to get great information - Pavan

I think it depends where on the wave of info you want to be. I want to create it, others will ride it. I find the stories with tools in addition to reader, then distribute them via Twitter, Facebook, etc. Hopefully, first then others on those social services will find them interesting and talk about them, distribute them and retweet them. If your content with the crowd being a filter for you, I think your right on. - Andrew Acomb from iPhone

Robert I just the funny thing you do not like anything Google does this days, I am actually starting to wonder if you are Anti them. First you hate Google Wav even though their are not enough people on in yet to make it worthwhile and now Reader. I really wonder sometimes. - Rob Cairns

this is totally off the subject, but i have been noticing more and more heavy hitters on Posterous: is there something i'm missing....i just don't know if i can keep up with yet another social networking site, but am i missing out? - Steve Borgman

Someone please wake me up when people stop grafting their hopes and dreams on Posterous, a me-too blogging tool with some novel shortcuts to author. - Carter Rabasa

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Zee. to Zee.'s feed, TheNextWeb Forum, Appetite

Google Reader sneaks in a couple of awesome updates - http://thenextweb.com/appetit...

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I discovered the change in the am, and decided to 'like' everything Google. Let's see if the recommendations reflect my feedback. Tomorrow I think I'll 'like' another social network, if Google will recommend one... - Wallace

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i've been using the "magic" today, and its awesome, :) - chaz2b

it seems cool, wow :) - Oğuz Serdar

When will they provide Archive and Delete functions for individual items? - TrafficBug

Those are really food updates Zee. Thank you for sharing. I live on Google Reader these days. - Rob Cairns

Magic is pretty cool, but I couldn't find the explore section on my main reader page - Martha

Martha, not even after a reload? - Stephan Planken

Yup - got it after a couple of reloads, but the computer (particularly my browser) has been acting wonky of late. - Martha

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