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I get ~4900, FF 3.0.1, OS X 10.4 - Sanjeev Singh via Bookmarklet
7701, on Chrome - Rahul Das
14301, Chrome, Windows XP. 4005 with FF 3.0.1, Windows XP. - nadim
I get 2498, FF 3.0.1, OS X 10.5, on an Air (1.8GHz). - Amit Patel
Nadim, how fast is your CPU? - Sanjeev Singh
133 on iPhone - Kevin Johnson
Intel Core 2 6600, both cores @ 2.40GHz. - nadim
~3900, Chrome, Vista. Wait, no, ~5400. Oh, wait, 4070. I'll round it down to about 4000. - Cyvros/fyc
Chrome 7481, IE 6 743, Flock 2 beta 2575 - Jawa Buddhavarapu
19163: Chrome, E8400 on XP - Michael Herf
Michael, you win :) - Sanjeev Singh
Firefox and Prism (same guts) both give between 900 and 1600 on my low-specced Linux box. It's not an accurate representation, I think. From subjective experience, Prism is lightning fast for me, and firefox just a little slower. - Slippy Lane
Looks like you need Chrome to win this contest. My 8 core Mac Pro was eeking out 6000 on Saf 3.1 and FF3, but nothing near the 15K+ that others were getting :P - Patrick Lightbody
~3400 Mozilla 1.9.1b1pre and ~12000 Google Chrome 0.2.149.27. Both on Windows XP Pro, Dual core, 2G RAM - Stephen Pierzchala
I'd love to know what kind of results well-specced Linux boxes are getting on Firefox, Prism and others.....anyone? - Slippy Lane
8834 - Macbook Pro 2.33 Core 2 Duo, OS X 10.5.4, Webkit Nightly.. - Derek Collison
@Slippy: I get 3700 in Firefox 3.0 on Ubuntu 8.04. (Intel Core 2 @2.4GHz) - Bret Taylor
5589 on FF 3.0.1, MacOS 10.5.4 Mac Pro 2x2.66Ghx Dual Core Duo. - Kevin Fox
About 11k on Chrome - Dell Precision 390 - Haggis (Sean)
Funny thing is that it only seems to use one processor, so the quad-coreness doesn't seem to matter. - Kevin Fox
6260 on Chrome - Varun Mahajan
I posted scores over 30K several times. Not sure this is a meaningful measure of anything. - abacab
yeah the benchmark is single-threaded. - Sanjeev Singh
419 - (Firefox 2.0.0.14, Linux x86_64) 199 - (Konqueror 3.5, Linux) (dual 2.6 Gig, dual-core Xeons, 6 gigs of RAM) - Robert Felty
Bret - cool...looks like the linux boxes are holding their own, although I don't know what Robert's done to his to drag it down to 419! - Slippy Lane
1618 - (Firefox 3.0.1, Linux x86_64) - this is on my home computer with a 1.2 GHz AMD Athlon64 (single core). Maybe the difference is between Firefox 2 and 3? - Robert Felty
yeah ff3 is a lot faster than ff2. It might seem strange but a bunch of us are excited about JS on the server, and this VM war is going to get us there sooner :) - Sanjeev Singh
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On the difficulty of learning to read English compared to other European languages. - Shannon Jiménez
Could one of you please comment on the meaning of "syllabic complexity" in this context? - Language
syllabic complexity here refers to the number of possible syllable types in a language. For example, CCVC (like the word 'step') occurs in English, but not in Spanish. This is why many Spanish speakers will say 'astep' because they treat this like 2 syllables. VC.CVC (. = syllable divider). Unfortunately, in the article they refer to here, they don't detail how they came up with their rankings of syllabic complexity. My feeling is that German syllable structure is slightly more complex than English. - Robert Felty
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sorry to hear that they don't make musically correct children's toys - Robert Felty
Kevin, the high red note and low blue note would probably bother me too, but the person who picked that would probably not understand why. - Clare Dibble
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Schaffer 2.0 alpha
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When is the, uh, scheduled release? - Clare Dibble
oh, I see it now, on the other post... 4/17/09 - Clare Dibble
Wow! Congratulations!! - April Buchheit
Target release date: 4/17/09 - Gabe Schaffer
Congratulations! That was fast. Now I feel like a slacker for not posting our ultrasound pictures. - Robert Felty
Hah! I just noticed that the due date is the day before Trig Palin's birthday. (Trig being the youngest son) - Gabe Schaffer
I like Clare's use of "release" and I'm glom on to wish you a smooth "Go Live" followed by a sucessful "introduction to end users" - Sarah Miller
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John Resig - JavaScript Performance Rundown
John Resig - JavaScript Performance Rundown
yesterday at 10:41 pm - via Bookmarklet - Link
Interestig to see how adding DOM operations evens out John's benchmarks (first has DOM ops and Safari beats Chrome, second is Google's apparently slightly biased benchmark, which relies heavily on recursion). - Bret Taylor via Bookmarklet
Just Firefox - Saman
It is time to optimize for DOM. Faster JavaScript is fantastic..... great for games and crypto.... but what about the real world? NOTE: Ray Cromwell's Chronoscope benchmark http://timepedia.blogspot.com/... - Dion Almaer
和我昨天的判断一样 - foxmachia via fftogo
yeah i made the point on DOM to the V8 team http://tinyurl.com/65clg2 - never got back to me on that one say maybe some truth to it :) - weblivz via twhirl
These tests are very insightful. I was initially very excited about Chrome being 10 times faster on javascript. As usual with any such claims (not just from Google), they are skewed. However, I do think that Chrome entering the market will cause all browsers to get better more rapidly. Competition does drive innovation. - Robert Felty
Thanks for sharing this detailed knowledge. Very useful. - Edwin Khodabakchian
we're working on DOM work now. believe that the tracing technique has applications; working on getting the DOM acting faster soon. - John Lilly
granted all beta-quality of Chrome and zero-day securiity bug, i think their current *speed* shows only lack of exception handling. Once it matures, it will be same or evenn worse than FF - it is tough to beat long-standing code without rounding corners on usual code glue... - silpol
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has some nifty bc and dc examples - Robert Felty
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"Will smoking kill you? Depends" - Gabe Schaffer via Bookmarklet
Great stats. Too many people don't understand risk analysis. I just read (listened to) John Stossel's "Give me a break". He did a special about risk analysis, showing that a lot of investigative reporting (which he used to do) focuses on scary sounding stuff which is actually very unlikely to affect people. - Robert Felty
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I like the collections.namedtuple feature. I'm especially glad that urllib.urlopen() finally has a timeout parameter! - Gabe Schaffer
How many languages do you know Gabe? - Robert Felty
Gee Rob, it depends on your definition of language. My current project has C, C++, C#, Python, JavaScript, SQL, HTML, SVG, and some other domain-specific languages. I know that I don't use regularly, though. - Gabe Schaffer
Gabe: seems like a longterm project? - Amund Tveit
Amund: I've only had the job for a couple years, but some of the C code originally ran on VMS. Our revision history only goes back to the late 90s, but a lot of the code predates ANSI C. - Gabe Schaffer
Gee Gabe. Maybe Clare was right. I started programming too late in life to ever catch up with people like you and Paul. - Robert Felty
It's never too late, Rob. The thing is that once you know programming, each new language takes only incremental work. - Gabe Schaffer
Thanks for the encouragement Gabe. I started learning Python this summer, and it went pretty quickly. I am actually teaching a programming course for linguists this semester, and we will be using python. - Robert Felty
Does that have anything to do with Python, Paul? - Gabe Schaffer
No, it's JS, but the basics of programming are fairly similar regardless of language, and JS and Python are actually quite similar beneath the syntax. I've been thinking about writing a JS to Python translator actually. It seems like it should be relatively straightforward (though perhaps there are a few difficult corner-cases). - Paul Buchheit
Paul - appjet does indeed look cool, though I think I already know most of the stuff they have there. I am just more impressed by how you and Gabe seem to know all the nitty-gritty about so many different languages. For the most part, I don't really use advanced python or javascript features that would necessitate me to know the difference between 1.5 and 1.8 (javascript) or 2.3 and 2.6 (python). I am confused about python's super though, since I see lots of positive and negative remarks about it. - Robert Felty
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I'm sure someone will say something about "competition", but since it's open-source, they can continue to compete, just as Google has with their new JS engine, V8. Since everyone would be starting from the same point, they would all have the burden of not breaking compatibility. - Paul Buchheit
Microsoft would embrace and extend, creating WebKit Expression '09, and Firefox would only use WebKit 520 for the next 3 years, complaining that Apple and Google won't slow down their development to accommodate an 18 month development cycle. - Mark Trapp
NO -- webkit is at least poorly studied for security vulnerabilities, I don't want to live with swiss-cheese-alike crap from fruity company JUST because some few entrepreneurs want to make their life easier!!! - silpol
if only they would - Robin Barooah
Extending the product is a good thing -- it's how the platform advances. As long as it's all open-source, we all win. - Paul Buchheit
It's not that everybody should like it. It's that they should all do it. - Louis Gray
Actually, that's already been discussed as part of the Gears' strategy... simply make Webkit a plugin for Firefox and IE. It's actually not *that* outlandish. - Chris Messina
Paul, the problem is WebKit is licensed under the LGPL; Microsoft could merely create a plugin to WebKit that did all of its extra features. They really wouldn't receive all that much flak about it, either. - Mark Trapp
That makes sense. It will never happen. - Khürt Williams via twhirl
@Chris - I recall that being mentioned at google code. I wonder what it would take to make a plugin for IE or firefox to use complete chrome processes as an 'accelerator' - Robin Barooah
Yeah, an IE "plugin" is the way to go. That way users don't even need to change their habits or UI, and it could potentially fall-back to IE for sites that still don't work with webkit. There's just no advantage to having different rendering engines at this point. It's high cost, low benefit. - Paul Buchheit
Didn't Netscape 9 allow users to choose which rendering engine they wanted to use? - Tony Ruscoe
@Tony: Netscape 8 did: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T...) . You'll need to manually type the closing bracket, it is being excluded as part of the URL and I can't manually fix it. - nadim
for you all dearst proponents of single engine - go read "1984" book... dependence on one engine (or any subsystem, when it comes to that) for whole world is dangerous... and utterly stupid when it is done for sake of small group's convenience :-/ - silpol
Yes, it would be just like 1984 :) - Paul Buchheit
@slipol - that would be true if we were talking about one engine developed by one company, but with an open-source project with many developers, I don't see how this could be a problem. Do you think that hundreds (maybe thousands) of developers worldwide will all collude to do something evil? Well, if so, some other people will come along and create a fork. In fact, WebKit was forked off of khtml. Let's not forget to thank the KDE folk for the good engine to begin with. - Robert Felty
Why would the two most popular browsers in the world change? - Globecode
Crazy talk! - Andrew Badera
Rob, the problem that silpol is presumably saying exists with a monoculture is that everybody is vulnerable to the same diseases. This has happened in the past where security vulnerabilities in compression and encryption libraries have made huge amounts of unrelated software vulnerable. But Paul has a good point that a dominant platform certainly makes things easier for the developer, which is why there are millions more apps for Windows than any other platform. - Gabe Schaffer
You are making a big discussion out of nothing. The hypotesis that if they all use the same basis, that will have the same DOM, they will be interoperable. That has been proved wrong: all the web browsers out there already have the same working basis (Web Standards) and still they messed things up. What makes you believe that this would be different? - Marcos Marado via fftogo
Marcos, the difference is that they all started from very different places and IE and Firefox both have a lot of historical gunk. Web standards wasn't their working basis, the browser wars of the 90s was. The browsers have been converging for years now, which makes web development a lot better than it used to be, but that only emphasizes the uselessness of having multiple rendering engines. The monoculture argument is of course nonsense. Having three engines isn't going to make the world any safer, especially since they use the same base libraries. - Paul Buchheit
I agree!! - Wayne Sutton
This would definitely make life easier on the web developers - however monocultures usually result in a mediocre product. - Josh Smith
I agree - Roberto Bonini
@Paul I can only assume that you proclaim monoculture argument as nonsense only because you've never seen domino effect on large scale, with species of slightly different nature still staying... I've heard same kind of argumentation from Opera people as they were bragging on idea of "one proper engine under one proper standards" only to show them a bunch of weak points in their cardboard architecture, granted I had apropriate tools. But... Whatever. - silpol
The monoculture argument is based entirely on analogy, which makes for nice stories, but is a very weak form of evidence. - Paul Buchheit
Paul, but if they really wanted to interoperate, i.e. If the browser wars were really over, then they would just stop the last few years nonsense and go for standards compliance. Why did Apple fork KHTML? Why does IE insist in not adapting standards? Ultimately what matters for both end users and web developers is that each browser sees the same page in the same way. It's fictitious to say that the way to acomplish this is making them use the same code (why not use your argument for Javascript?): the way to do this is simply to follow the rules - in the web case, standards. - Marcos Marado via fftogo
Why bother with HTML, JS and others such standards then? Let's close up those shops and just standardize everything through Webkit. Which is great, unless if for whatever reason Webkit doesn't work on your device (or until the great Webkit fork). Let's standardize DOM instead, ne? :) - David Lee
Standardization is hard because there's a large amount of pages crafted specifically for quirks particular browsers. Going standard breaks them. - 9000
it sucks that it doesn't work on Windows Mobile yet.... ugh, I'm stuck in the stone age with IE6... - Harold
This conversation is so all over the place, I don't even know where to begin. All I can say is that 1985 wasn't as bad as I would have thought, seeing as it came after 1984. - Chris Messina
LOL hehehehe! - Susan Beebe
What's the point? You're still going to have to support IE6 for a decade anyway, and any new browser has to not break old apps. It's like those people who suggest that MS just replace the Windows kernel with Linux, as if all old apps will suddenly disappear, leaving the slate clean for all the glorious new apps to come. - Gabe Schaffer
that's one idea i love! standardization, baby! - stefan
Until someone decides that engine is crap and writes their own? - Robert Konigsberg
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i don't want to know what those are :S - Mladen Srdić
That is gross. I feel bad for that guy. - elroy via twhirl
wow. that is crazy! - Robert Felty
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I bet you she will only stab herself once. How else is she supposed to learn? - Robert Felty
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dna working through us, very hard to slow down - Gregory Lent
I see legalization of abortion, drugs, and prostitution as pragmatic solutions. People will still do them one way or the other, but it is a lot safer for all parties if they are legal. A 15 year old girl Clare knows recently got scared about being pregnant, and her friends started calling her "coat hanger". That is what happens when abortion is illegal. - Robert Felty
Not that I disagree with the sentiment, but doesn't the employer benefit? - Jim Norris
Where are you, Robert, that abortion is illegal? - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
@Mark. I am not anywhere where it is illegal currently. I was being hypothetical. I do think many people near me (in Indiana) would like to make it illegal, and then pretend that coat hanger abortions won't happen. - Robert Felty
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I don't really understand why, since she claims to not be wearing any felt. - Robert Felty
I might be feeling dibbley tomorrow while digging up my friends yard though. - Robert Felty
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wow, Mona should be real promoter for this - there is good link in second half -- http://baconshow.blogspot.com/ - silpol
I am approaching my 10 year anniversary as vegetarian. I don't really miss meat that much. I also don't have that much sympathy for animals. There are a lot of vegetarians, especially PETA people, who often place the needs of animals above those of humans. I disagree vehemently with that. I do think that meat should be more expensive though, and that modern factory farms are pretty terrible for the environment. That is my primary reason for being vegetarian these days. - Robert Felty
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Because I'm not my own host and WP doesn't support it :( - Mona N.
if we could embed our entire friendfeed page onto our site & have one click signup for non-friendfeed members. That would be superb. - Zee at WeDoCreative
Paul - because WordPress templates frighten me. - Patrick Lightbody
Paul - did you fix the word wrap issue for comments? e.g. on my blog comments cascade across the column into the right margin - http://blog.infinitelymeta.com... not a big deal at all. just wondering. great work on the beta btw. - Brian Daniel Eisenberg
you know what Paul - ignore what I said....apart from letting people sign up directly via the widget. Then my friends/family who aren't on friendfeed can comment directly plus you get a whole bunch of new 'non-techy' members. - Zee at WeDoCreative
What Mona said. I suggested to WP that they add FriendFeed to the "trusted javascript list"; they responded promptly saying that they would add it to their "candidate library". - Neil Saunders
DITTO what Mona said .... - fotographic
Does WP allow iframes? - Paul Buchheit
I tried a couple of times to get it to work, but even with setting the width, the comments still sprawled outside the border of the widget and looked ugly. - Jason Shultz via twhirl
Still using the original script on the front page, but did add 'Share on FriendFeed' to the Blogger post template today. Awesome. - Marianne Lenox
I created my own widget using feedburner's RSS setup and some CSS code, so as I can get my entire lifestream, as set up on FF, to show up. Since I'm a crappy web designer, I may end up using the FF widget, after all... :/ Can we also use Yahoo Pipes on the Widget? I'm thinking of using Rasheen's duplicate removal setup, once he gets it to work... - Helen Is SOOO Not Of Troy
Yepp, works flawless :) (both widget & bookmarklet) - Kemal Yaylali
i haven't because i'm trying to figure out where to put it on my blog. - Morgan
Not sure Paul. I'm using Chris Pirillo's Social Media theme. Not a WP guru myself. Willing to test though. - Brian Daniel Eisenberg
FYI: Adding the widgets (other than the "Share on FriendFeed" link) to self-hosted WordPress requires zero knowledge of WordPress templates. You login to WordPress, click on "Design", then "Widgets", and add a "text" widget and paste in the code. - Benjamin Golub
No because my blog sidebar is too narrow and changing the widget width cuts the text off mid-line. May redesign my blog one day when I'm bored. - Deborah Fitchett
I did, before Godaddy lost the location of my blog they host and I can't get it back :( - John Worthington
I had it on my old site design, just added it to my latest. Thanks for the reminder. - Jack Carlson
I just did the other day when someone posted the link here on FF. It rocks, thx. - Victoria/Plautia
Yes - to http://www.ad2025andbeyond.com - with summary feed from 3 friendfeed rooms I can easily share links to. - Justin Long
I'll check it out after work! Thanks! - Ron
can you remove the border from the widget? And is there a way to make the background of the widget transparent? - Zee at WeDoCreative
I did it. I would like some CSS options right in the widget editor--colors, fonts, etc. :D - Josh Lowensohn
how Josh? - Zee at WeDoCreative
remove the border: .friendfeed.widget { border: 0 !important; } - Benjamin Golub
No JS http://faq.wordpress.com/2007/... and no iframes http://en.forums.wordpress.com... on WordPress.com Sadly no flash embedding support either unless WP.com adds support for a site: http://faq.wordpress.com/2006/... - Erica Baker
I have, well, not my blog, but my "main page": http://www.xs4all.nl/~pkleiweg... - Peter
I have had it on my blog for ages and it is great see http://www.loiclemeur.com - Loic Le Meur
awesome, thank you Benjamin. No way to make the background transparent is there? Or is that not poss? - Zee at WeDoCreative
To answer the question, yes I do, but I haven't switched to the new one. :) - Erica Baker
Zee: try .friendfeed.widget { background-color: transparent !important; }. Anything's possible :) - Benjamin Golub
Last time I tried to fit it in a 160px sidebar I couldn't make it look good. Is it time to retry? - Bruce Lewis via fftogo
I like the old one better :P - Shey
hell, yeah! both on the main page and a dedicated page :) http://www.c4chaos.com/hyperst... - ~C4Chaos
dang, no luck - thanks all the same Ben - Zee at WeDoCreative
I didn't like what it looked like. - Andrew Leyden
I just added mine to http://www.virtualbirdseye.com - don't know if I like it or not... We'll see how I can fit it in better. - Virtual Bird's Eye via twhirl
Used it as an experiment in the 'blog that posted itself' recently. Great. Now I'd like to use it in sidebar as widget. Can't change text size tho'. Too big. - Kate Foy
Ditto Loic - but switched to the newer wider one. Would love to be able to do like 7 or 8 in instead of 5 OR 10. Try to keep the stream clean there for others. Think 7 would be perfect but one size doesn't fit all :) - Charlie Anzman
you can do different numbers, just change the num= variable. I use num=12 - Justin Long
@Peter thank you! - Zee at WeDoCreative
I don't feel like my friendfeed content meshes very well with my blog. I enjoy friendfeed quite a bit, but I don't really feel the need to try to get more people to look at my friendfeed. I did try it a couple months ago before it was really public, when I noticed it on your blog, Paul. I do use the friendfeed comment plugin. Maybe I will add a share on friendfeed button. - Robert Felty
Nope - hosted wordpress.com doesn't allow widgets - Hutch Carpenter
Absolutely, I've had the widget on the blog for about a month. KnowtheNetwork.com - tsudohnimh
nope, because I made my own version ;) - Pascal
I did install it but I don't really like its size. I'd like something narrower and with a smaller font. I don't know if this is something I can fix with CSS magic, but that's not my thing. - Robert Konigsberg
From my point of view: How exactly would it help the readers of Blogoscoped? What's the problem it would solve? Not everything I say on Friendfeed is relevant to the content of Blogoscoped. Now, give me a widget that I can customize to make it be relevant just to a single specific blog post and I will give it a try perhaps... an RSS feed for "comments on URL xyz" (where I can make xyz be a Blogoscoped permalink of a new post) would be interesting :) - Philipp Lenssen
+1 to Philipp. The only widget I have on my blog is delicious tags, and I'm not even sure that's useful to my readers. - Amit Patel
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How long before pens are banned from airplanes? - Gabe Schaffer via Bookmarklet
how about lollipops? Don't self-defense classes often use those as an example of a weapon? Or keys? - Robert Felty
Usually whenever somebody searches me they want to know if I have a weapon. I tell them that I have a pen and remind them that the pen is mightier than the sword. - Gabe Schaffer
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