With 40,000 apps it's amazing to me that there isn't a good expo yet. MacWorld should have rebranded itself to "iPhone World" and gone for this. This is a HUGE opportunity being left around for a conference planner to take advantage of.
- Robert Scoble
Colin: we should do one as a community. Maybe this would be a good thing for Building43 to do.
- Robert Scoble
why ff don't make ff app for iPhone such as facebook?
- ѕнαнιη
Robert - I'd love your opinion on www.SynapticWeb.org - its the basis and framework for our thinking that produced Echo - would love to do a conf on it
- Chris Saad
I bet FF apps are coming for mobile, but I don't get why Safari isn't a great way to use FriendFeed. Maybe if you could answer that you'd get a developer interested.
- Robert Scoble
You're right that there's a massive opportunity there, a big problem with iPhone developers is that we aren't allowed/don't have excellent places to communicate with each other, this would be cool!
- Colin
The cross section of applications may be too broad.. who is the target?
- Pogmohoin
That's because 30,000 of those are just fart apps and flashlights. I think WWDC and Macworld do a fine job of highlighting the iPhone apps
- BryanSchuetz
from iPhone
Bryan: no way. WWDC is NDAd for most things and Macworld is totally lame.
- Robert Scoble
I'd love an expo where I could meet tons of the best iPhone developers and see the coolest new apps face-to-face. Discovering new apps is too hard and there's too much innovation. I bet someone does an expo soon anyway. But this would be something fun, me thinks.
- Robert Scoble
Well go out there and use your magical scoble power to make it happen!
- Jeremy Lane
Why not? I think it's a fine idea. We should have it in Denver.
- John Fiala
from iPod
John: I'm thinking of pulling an Arrington and doing it during MacWorld. :-)
- Robert Scoble
maybe you just build a virtual Expo site to rival the App Store..Interact with the developers..leave comments..developers pay for the space.. you are right.. 50 thousand apps and visibility to the top 100!
- Pogmohoin
Pogmohoin: no, I don't want to compete with Apple. I want to do a physical event where you can walk booth-to-booth and meet lots of great developers and see their cool apps.
- Robert Scoble
I here ya.. But we are not all USA savvy.. Internationalise fella's
- Pogmohoin
Pogmohoin: yes, well, we have to start somewhere and since MacWorld is in SF, I say we should do it at the same time. That way developers will already be in town.
- Robert Scoble
Cuz the iFart booth would be the size of a football field and no one wants to be next to them.
- Geoff Schultz
So the Audience is developers meeting developers? I am not knocking just really trying to nut out the advantages..btw < we are developers..
- Pogmohoin
I'm Using BuddyFeed it's not perfect but it seems the best for now. the Biggest problem whit this app is u can't like Feeds in the main page this is the worst thing about this app :(
- ѕнαнιη
WWDC was in June. That would be a better target for iPhone Devs is you wanted to gather some. Less so, with Mac World. There are a number of events that attract developers. There's really no shortage. The other problem you mention is an interesting one in it's own right.
- Debi Jones
It's a good idea. Not every developer can make it into WWDC. Need more outlets for developers to get notice.
- Bess Ho
Wow, very surprised no one has started one of these up yet!
- Arnold Aranez
wow - was just talking to someone about starting a london iphone developer meetup - anyone interested (other than Robert ;-) ) - ping me on ff or twitter @robocallaghan
- Robert O'Callaghan
barl0w: nope, I want something JUST for seeing cool iPhone apps. Not discussing strategy, or any of that. Sort of like a "Demo" for iPhone apps.
- Robert Scoble
I'm currently using something developed by Boopsie for our conference in Chicago. We have about 23k attendees over the course of six days. American Library Association. It works pretty decently but is primarily a schedule tool.
- Kenley Neufeld
Find 10000 FART applications, available from 0.00 to $.$$.
- Nitin Nanivadekar
Unconference format, and if I get an invite I'll write a killer augmented reality app especially for the con. I'll dub it wifi hotspot. It'll identify the overcrowded hot spots neabye and use a decentralized navigation algorithm to lead you to uncontested juicy bandwidth. I say this with no prior app experience.
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
Mark: I don't want a conference. I want an expo. Where you walk around and see tons of great apps and meet the developers. These guys are rock stars. I want to meet them all in one hall. Maybe get the best ones to give a demo in front of an audience, like at Demo.
- Robert Scoble
Jarred my app thinking, is there a mobile app that allows bandwidth sharing between nodes (other phones with the app) poor man's wifi extended, using tcp/ip distributed packet sending (if you get cut off the app has to know) I gotta write up a blog post on this idea.
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
Interesting idea. And I like the comment from Nitin I truly embrace the iPhone and the Applications market but... "Find 10000 F.A.R.T applications, available from 0.00 to $.$$" says something.
- Patrick Boegel
I like this idea. I run an iPhone (apps focused) site and spend lots of time looking at and reviewing good/bad/mediocre/great apps - and still feel as if there are lots that pass me by.
- Patrick Jordan
Why limit the expo to iPhone developers?
- Debi Jones
Wow. This is why I follow you. For stuff like this.
- Dave Winer
Dave - comes with all the usual disclaimers - this is from compete.com, does not include twitter clients etc...
- Atul Arora
If this is true, it's good news. It means the Twitter leaders can come home, and we can all roll up our sleeves and figure out what Twitter is really for. Maybe they'll start working with us instead of looking to celebs for the vision of their future.
- Dave Winer
What's really amazing is I was driving through Virginia last week and every radio and TV station it seemed was talking about Twitter. This shows just how hard it is to get normal people to participate in the geeky world.
- Robert Scoble
For example search.twitter.com is down about 5.5%
- Atul Arora
Maybe now the infrastructure can catch up with the userbase and get rid of fail whales.
- Morton Fox
What's weird is that this isn't really a "geeky" thing. Teenagers across the land text daily and that's all this really is, except to a larger audience. Wonder what is keeping that relationship from connecting?
- Michael Turner
also scoble is on friendfeed now and that must be 50% of the traffic ;-)
- Robert O'Callaghan
@O'Callaghan That's actually a good point. I'd like to be able to compare this to tweets made from apps and third party pages that use the API.
- Scott Ohlemacher
It's not the number of users, it's the engagement that matters.
- Matt Robson
Twitter grows 1043% in 3 months and it plateaus for a month, big deal; there's got to be some absorption. LinkedIn actually lost 400,000 visits, where's the panic over that?
- Tom Gray
@ Tom Gray - given all the media coverage, there was an expectation that Twitter would continue its spectacular growth. It is a bit of surprise that it plateaued for a month (as measured by compete.com) and its much bigger competitor Facebook grew faster than it did.
- Atul Arora
Oprah talked about it, everyone that needed to know about it learned about it, now there's no one else. Twitter can only grow so far. My Mom and Dad would never use it nor have reason to use it, yet they use Facebook.
- Jesse Stay
I think the use case and interface are still a bit puzzling to the average Joe, at least compared to Facebook.
- Laura Norvig
No worries. It is just digesting the wave that came with Oprah & Co : after a few tries, it takes months (as an individual) to figure out a use, and come back for more. Who can say that he/she starting twittering and coming back to twitter every day since he signed up ? It will start growing again soon. Agreeing with @ Michael Turner : the DNA of Twitter is very similar to mobile texting, except that it's public. Therefore it will reach mass adoption sooner or later.
- Roald Sieberath
Jesse: is that real time news? No. So how could these two be connected?
- Robert Scoble
I tried the above link - no future news? Now that would be useful :-)
- Robert O'Callaghan
Looking forward to checking this out after my Calculus quiz this afternoon.
- Brandon Titus
The story is that Scoble has figured out how to clone himself *and* has purchased all remaining stock of iPhones so he will actually be able to just follow everyone around in real-time and tweet about it.
- Kevin Kuphal
Kevin: funny! I can't afford that many iPhones, though.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I hear that the iPhone flopped in South Africa. You can get millions of them cheap there. :)
- Dominic Jones
A sane real-time interface for monitoring Twitter/Friendfeed trends for breaking news that incorporates location awareness where possible? Something along the lines of what that company did for SXSW, but better. A combination of jabber/xmpp, JS, and HTML (like drop.io) would be really cool. If it's Flash, not as exciting, for me at least.
- Chip Ramsey
If it is something along those lines, I hope they use fewer buzzwords than I just did.
- Chip Ramsey
Oracle bought Sun?! Woosh - I missed that one. You're my news hub, Robert.
- Laura Norvig
Counting and waiting !! Real Time NEWS !! ... secret weapon for news?? but news in Real Time !! i am waiting that for years !! trending topics from all over the world or just USA ? could it be by country ? Dinamic like FF real time ? We need to put together FF and Terry Jones !!
- Rocky
It is what you were telling me about:-) Send me an invite, please...
- Francine Hardaway
francine pls add twitter to yr friendfeed streams
- Steve Gillmor
Robert did you reveal the tool you use for this somewhere? Or did you decide to release it later? Very interested in this.
- Hans Eisenman
I was talking about SkyGrid. I gotta go to Facebook right now, but let's talk tonight. I have some more invites to hand out too.
- Robert Scoble
Love that you respond, man. You put the social in "social media".
- Hans Eisenman
Man, I should've checked the date. My first reaction to seeing this bumped was "Oh, great, another secretive new step forward for real time news when we still haven't been able to use the last on yet." I'm glad we're still talking (or not talking) about SkyGrid. Maybe some day we'll be able to use it.
- Ken Sheppardson
if twitter grows to the size of facebook i.e 200 million so 10 times... thats still only 2k per second...
- Robert O'Callaghan
Adam: that's according to people who are getting the firehose feed.
- Robert Scoble
I assumed it would be more than that, too.
- Robert Scoble
Ah ok. Which, to my knowlede is just google, friendfeed and just a few other "partners" do we know who is a firehose partner?
- Adam Jackson
But, looking through the data it seems most people don't tweet very often.
- Robert Scoble
And that is because Twitter is just getting to be popular in the rest of the world, wait to see what is coming..
- Julian Flores
sort of weird comparison, tweets are writes and queries are reads
- Kiran Patchigolla
Adam: we don't have a comprehensive list, no. There are others, though.
- Robert Scoble
And are firehose partners getting ALL tweets?
- Julian
Robert: have you spoken to Nick from tweetmeme - he has some real good stats regarding rt's, data growth over the last 2 years etc
- Robert O'Callaghan
Kiran: yeah, it's not a good comparision, to be sure. But if there's only 200 tweets a second I seriously doubt that Twitter search is seeing many people hit it.
- Robert Scoble
The people who are getting the firehose feed also say that it's very difficult to deal with the data flow at the level it is today (and they say that even Twitter isn't doing very well at it, look at how bad Twitter search was last week). THey all are wondering how they will deal when Twitter's traffic is 100x what it is today.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: this is what I love about friendfeed. The post gets better over time because of everyone's participation. Thanks!
- Robert Scoble
Yes that's what I don't understand Robert, 200 tweets/s x 160 chars (including headers) = 32kB a second. This is not difficult to deal with, surely (+XML / JSON overhead, still tiny amounts)
- Julian
Louis: it's not much, but it's all text. The real struggle that many of these companies have is with photos and video and other data types. It's very expensive to deal with all this data. I wonder if we could decrease the cost of hosting and dealing with it all by sharing the data in some way?
- Robert Scoble
Julian: it's not the per second amount that's difficult to deal with. It's that the size of databases keeps growing. Remember the guy who bragged about having 800 million rows in his database?
- Robert Scoble
Now, what happens if you need to resort your database? Or do something else funky?
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you're asking the right questions. The biggest growth areas in data today are in files and rich media - including photos, videos, etc. We're all creating more and more, but nobody is deleting.
- Louis Gray
It is expensive to store the data and to transfer the data. Networks have gotten larger, disks have gotten larger (and cheaper per GB), but the disk speeds themselves are not increasing, and servers are largely processor-bound, so you see low utilization rates.
- Louis Gray
Louis: yup, and the folks I talked with say that if you want really fast response like what friendfeed has you've gotta pay for expensive SSD devices for your datacenter. I don't know if that's absolutely true, but it sounds reasonable, especially for systems with lots of databases and lots of indexing and lots of reading.
- Robert Scoble
there's a new o/r mapper available to Java programmers that lets them write programs in a typical relational-backend fashion, but behind-the-scenes large files are transparently stored in Amazon S3 cloud storage and the database rows are stored in Amazon SimpleDB.
- Brian Hendrickson
How about adding friendfeed stats here too.. (if somebody knows already!)
- Jigar Mehta
Louis: but I wonder if that data will have worth in the future - mining photos for example for data about your friends, family and holiday destinations.
- Robert O'Callaghan
Robert O: A significant amount of data is infrequently accessed. And as Scoble is saying, you are looking to have SSDs at what's called Tier 0. The best enterprise storage devices have multiple tiers of disk and automatic policy-based data migration between tiers from high performance disk, like SSD and Fibre Channel, to high density SATA.
- Louis Gray
But if you assume data will be there, most people won't mind having some latency on data retrieval for older information, so slower SATA (like in your laptop) is just fine.
- Louis Gray
Maybe it's just me, but speaking with people around the queries issue made me realize these are still big numbers for most average sized companies. You might think that giants like Google, Microsoft or Facebook can easily take care this amount of requests but many other small startups would probably find it difficult to handle.
- Nir Ben Yona
Good point Robert, 200 tweets / s = 6.3 billion rows for one year of tweets. But still surprised this is an issue these days. Anecdotally, even MySQL can support billions of rows.
- Julian
That's an interesting Google datapoint, it explains the aircraft hangers full of servers. The scaling challenge for Twitter however is less related to 200 tweets being posted per second, more about all those Twitter clients hammering their API trying to get them out in real time. Firehoses aside, does anyone know how many API hits Twitter gets per second?
- Bob Hitching
Every incorrect assumption in this post seems to think that 1 tweet on twitter = 1 database row = "So easy!". You've left out the user fanout! One Obama Tweet = 1M database rows, someplace.
- netik
Twitter bought a load of kit a month or so back - at @devnest we were told it was to do with search. People had noticed it had shrunk in size from year dot to only two weeks worth. Anyone know if it expanded back to the beginning or have they closed that door?
- Robert O'Callaghan
Robert O: The data set of Twitter's Search can be as little as 4 days. Do a search on tweets "from Oprah" for example, and you will see none.
- Louis Gray
Thank you for all of this Robert, you are such an eternal giver.
- Thomas Power
At a basic level we're talking about storage and distribution. Data is stored somewhere until someone requests it and it's then distributed. In this scenario there are at least two potential bottlenecks or problem areas. There is currently no infinite storage space and there is currently no infinite amount of bandwidth to distribute it. Plus it's a two way distribution network, we're...
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- Gilbert Harding
The best comparison would be Google's web crawler new page discovery rate to Twitter's new status rate. The read rate on Twitter is many orders of magnitude above the write rate-- the comparison of Google QPS to Twitter API calls. Furthermore, the total Twitter user-driven write rate is much larger than the new public statuses rate, which is what the firehose represents. Think of all...
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- John Kalucki
No one in their right mind would use a relational database to store all this data - the biggest issue is that you have SO MANY synchronous writes as well as index and key changes per second. A stream-fed architecture is ideal for this, and 200 inputs a second is easily parseable. TIBCO is an exampleof a very heavyweight version of a streaming service, as Steve Wilhelm mentioned above.
- David Sifry
This uncovers the secret to what may be twitter's eventual financial success and ability to resist being acquired. I'm reminded of the recent techcrunch article proposing that youtube would have been unable to survive as a standalone entity because of the enormous cost of storing all of the video data
- keith kleiner
Late to the comments but I agree with Louis, 10G per day is trival. The last network collection stream service I helped design was 24 Petabytes per work of text messages comparable to tweets across multiple protocols and transport technologies.
- Ken Camp
I never would have thought that Twitter's high volume times would only create 200 tweets per second.
- Diego Barros
So what you're saying is that Rails really can't scale? ;)
- Diego Barros
He was the ad guy at Yahoo. So, Broback asked him what Twitter is going to do with advertising.
- Robert Scoble
He thought of customers at Yahoo as partners. "We are at a stage where nothing has been ruled out and we don't have any bias in any one direction."
- Robert Scoble
He says that once in a while in the tweet stream they see something that looks like an ad. Oh, you mean like, "host your website on Rackspace?" ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Nice Robert. Too bad there are no links in FF comments.
- τorƍue
Now getting to some meat, hopefully. "We haven't been that unique and worthwhile for [commercial users]."
- Robert Scoble
There's lots of interesting things they could do, he says, around how they filter things that come in.
- Robert Scoble
Categories, types of businesses. Ahh, they ARE thinking about how to get onto Google's table. Do a search for "Palo Alto Sushi" on Google. Now imagine how a list like that could be used by Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Broback is asking about StockTweets and is wondering if more of those kinds of vertical services are coming.
- Robert Scoble
Anamitra is talking about mining Twitter for, say, airline fare data. Looking to solve consumer problems with commercial data.
- Robert Scoble
"We can't do all of them," in regard to all the cool stuff.
- Robert Scoble
Next 12 months: "what is not on the roadmap is a TV show."
- Robert Scoble
I think the automation market is huge. One page, 10 Tweet addresses, does 10 different things for you when you follow them. No messaging, just automate parts of your life as it relates to that organization.
- Chad Harris
He didn't give many specifics on roadmap, though.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter needs online grouping like Friend Feed so 3rd party apps auto update (like tweetdeck and seesmic desktop) if you are away from your PC, or PC dies, all your groups are gone.
- Darin aka iGoByDoc
Darin: it's clear that Twitter is going to add that, or something similar, soon. The Twitter team yesterday said they are working on something that will solve that problem.
- Robert Scoble
Now talking about demand generation, aka Dell's Twitter account that sells millions of dollars worth of equipment.
- Robert Scoble
Curious to know how much value they're putting on Apps and Enterprise markets.
- phil baumann
phil: sounds like a lot. That's where @anamitra sees the early money.
- Robert Scoble
idea for twitter grouping (mostly for twitter clients for now, could be stored on twitter.com later via api) : opml import/export of groups.
- Sylvain Carle
Ahhh, he finally got the small business religion I've been preaching. Says that small businesses, like a cookie shop, need to be able to tell their customers things in real time "new batch of cookies is ready."
- Robert Scoble
Broback is talking about a bakery that already has a machine that Tweets when the bread is done. Also there's a device that you can put in your plant bed to Tweet when they need water.
- Robert Scoble
Even simple stuff. "Click here and we will message your wife with some Men are from Mars crappolla twice a week and message you what wonderful things you said to her to cover you when you come home" We are too busy to even tell people we love them, who is to say auto messaging is insensitive?
- Chad Harris
the small business thing is huge, in our part of the world it would be nothing short of a revolution for them
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
Agree with the small biz angle...but how to monitize that? what service/facilitation would Twitter provide me that I'd pay for. What can Premium Twitter provide me that Free Twitter can't?
- phil baumann
I agree with @thomasknoll: IMHO Customer Service *is* Marketing #140tc This is the secret sauce at my employer.
- Robert Scoble
He says that lots of Twitter team members have worked on services that have grown very fast and Twitter is faster growing than they've seen in previous jobs.
- Robert Scoble
Social Media has not invented conversations. Customer Service has always been better at conversing with the customer than the marketing department => building relationships is marketing..
- Yann Ropars
@jasonp107: Show of hands at #140tc reveals most of the room went through the "twitter bounce" - join, but don't really USE until later. (Yup, I got in in November of 2006 but really didn't use it until March of 2007).
- Robert Scoble
Hey, Matt, when you gonna import your Tweets?
- Robert Scoble
I already had a friendfeed acct. Which I ignore. Just like the Facebook acct I ignore too. If I wanted to follow you on FF, I would. Twitter works for me.
- Trine Curtis
bots in the belfry / scoble's built a friendfeed box / to house all his bots ... #haiku
- judith
Trine: I don't get that. Following Twitter users here is a lot better than following them on Twitter. Colleen: you aren't a bot, I'm already following you here.
- Robert Scoble
Trine: ahh, you are caught by the Twitter lock in. You want to follow the bots over on Twitter. Cool. Notice that I have 90,000 followers. Notice how many said anything in response to me. Almost none. Twitter is all bots all the time.
- Robert Scoble
Trine: not that there's anything wrong with bots, see. I love collecting them too over on Twitter. Turn on auto following and you'll get tons of bots. Get onto the recommended follower list you'll get even more. Look at the people following Oprah. All bots.
- Robert Scoble
Yeah the conversation is much more real here, I've only got four subscribers and I still interact a lot more on FF than Twitter.
- Chris Lawrence
Nick: how can you tell a bot on Twitter? Look at Oprah's followers. http://twitter.com/Oprah... They don't have real avatars. They don't Tweet. They don't follow anyone except for recommended followers. They are bots!
- Robert Scoble
Chris: shhhh, don't get the bots upset. They might start spamming here.
- Robert Scoble
I have importd all my tweets, I just don't have many. And anyway, since I started using ff, most of them are just my likes anyway. You'd notice that if you were following me. :)
- Matt Thompson
from fftogo
robert can you or someone else here recommend a friendfeed app for iphone
- Paul Tudor
Wait, is there some kind of catch to this?
- Chris Leake
I'm an IA bot, I learn from the system. Or maybe I'm a crazy human who knows!
- Jorge
ok, ok ok ... i tweet there IM (tx to Paisano on that one) ...i'm bluetrain #4 .. i'm a crazy deranged fool, now i'm a bot ..geez .. whadda am i gonna be tomorrow?!?
- DoreenatDMS
Paul: what is wrong with Safari on your iPhone? I use friendfeed on my iPhone every day.
- Robert Scoble
I have nothing to say? Does saying something require 100 entries/tweets/FF posts a day?
- Gil Sharon
Hi, I'm a bot, who are you? *In a loren voice*
- Daynah
fair call robert, thx, boy you certainly started something here!
- Paul Tudor
Hello, let's get acquainted I`m Elvira. To me 29 years also think, that I well educated, clever and rather attractive woman. I love new acquaintances and would like to learn you on much better for serious relations. That we could learn each other better ask you to write me only to my personal e-mail: marmuzetkalila@gmail.com If you have interest in the lonely woman I shall be glad to...
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- Johnny Worthington
"I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I'm a... fraid. "
- Mahesh CR
rrrbitt. btw, was talking to Thomas Tague from Thomson Reuters Open Calais today about finding your live conversation w/ Jimmy Wales via Feedly and Calais - go Bot go!
- michael sean wright
I'm sorry Robert, I'm afraid I can't do that.
- Brome
come on baby tell me I am a good bot.. come on.. Do you feel better now.. Was that good for you.. who's a good bot.. say my name.
- Varun "Maverick" Pitale
Varun: you're not a bot, so you're not a good bot. Or a bad bot. How do I know that? I have my ways!
- Robert Scoble
May I respectfully remind you, Sir, that I am a protocol droid, and that the Coruscant convention explicitly deprecated the term robot in favor of droid, and thus the term robot now is considered as pejorative and having negative connotation when targeted at a droid. My training in diplomacy, associated to the fact that I have nothing that could be used as a weapon, mean that there is...
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- Antoine Bertier
Trying to figure out who actually follows and reads your posts. Very intersting you on have 210+ comments in 9 hours. I am sure FF is thankful anyone stress test comments and the overload of data that might occur.
- Richard Gallo
I am a real human. Except at night. In my black cape I keep an eye on the city... Oh. Wait. I was supposed to keep that a secret.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
I don't find it that clear cut. Often Facebook is about events or Twitter is about ideas. All of them are about the flow of information in our lives, back and forth, back and forth.
- Michelle
facebook has split events away from the status - so I find them less useful. Very few friends use the events page and are more lightly to use my wall or the inbox.
- Robert O'Callaghan
I find discussing ideas on twitter fills up my stream - ff seems to be a better place.
- Robert O'Callaghan
Most events I attend I now watch via twitter using hashtags... On facebook events die and the notes/user questions get lost as they are not in my stream.
- Robert O'Callaghan
My first website was a purely personal site on GeoCities - essentially a MySpace page with lists of chat friends from TheGlobe.com and my poems. It's still up out there but I ported it to fortunecity.com a very long time ago.
- Edwin Perello
Wow! I grew up going to Geocities sites made for Petz 4 games, pixel art, and a lot of other things.. It's sad to see it go. Ah well....
- Crystal Tillman
Wow! Old School. My site from 1997 might still be up if I could remember the name.
- Monique
David: Tumblr is probably the latest in the line. FourSquare too is getting tons of compliments. Those are the direct descendants of GeoCities.
- Robert Scoble
I'm @scobleizer and you should follow me if you want tons of interesting tech news. I watch thousands of friendfeeders and Twitterers and am always looking for the most interesting stuff before @techmeme gets it. (UPDATE: I AM FOLLOWING EVERYONE ON THIS THREAD)
- Robert Scoble
Isn't a better way to get followers by engaging on their thoughts and getting attention through engagement? I NEVER follow anyone who begs the way you describe.
- Ken Camp
That's an example of what I'd like you to do. I will follow anyone who answers on this thread.
- Robert Scoble
Well because we cannot compete with Scobleizer...and we are desperate for a following to launch our own blogs. :-)
- Tarun Chachra
Ken: the problem is that on friendfeed and Twitter you need some seed followers.
- Robert Scoble
I agree with Ken - I make a point of not following people who ask for followers (and ESPECIALLY not if they call themselves "social media experts" or "SEO experts"... retch)
- Chris Taylor
I'm not sure about begging but it's difficult, especially when you're overwhelmed by inspiration about what you're working, to feel like you're not connecting with enough people. Then again, I don't want a bunch of robo-followers, but people who I can engage and engage with me. Twitter is weird.
- Remote Revolution
A friend of mine joined Twitter a month ago and he already has more Followers then I gathered in two years!! Please Help! thank-you very much @moon http://twitter.com/moon
- paul mooney
Hmm, I thought who you followed was more important....
- Scott Breakall
I guess getting on with some friends on Twitter is most important. They already know people. This adds to better quality content as opposed to just random following people which most of the time creates noise. I however love it that @scobleizer creates is great in creating a stage for interesting people :)
- Michiel Sikkes
I personally don't need THAT much but I desperately need FOLLOWERS for XDBE project, to spread the idea behind it! To bring the Internet to the next level together! Global Social Graphing http://xdbe.com/faq/
- Elmira Gazizova
If you don't follow me my gf will lock me in the basement without food and water.
- rob
Only follow me if you like tech AND religion . A dangerous combination!
- Dan Walters
begging is annoying. I guess you have to engage by following and slowly build an audience. A lot of my followers ( though not much ) has been by engaging on other tweets etc . Good use of hashtags doesnt hurt either
- Kashif Khan
I rarely have anything to say myself that doesn't require engaging in conversations with others, so I don't want ANY followers. I follow those who I believe I may want to engage in conversation with, or those whom I desire to know more about.
- Larry
@jpelegrin. When I do say something on Twitter, it's usually very insightful. O.K., not really, but I need some peeps. This is embarrassing!
- Jeremy Pelegrin
i ain't going to beg, but i will make a note that those interested in computers, programming, science, and humor might find FriendFeed just a little bit more enjoyable if you follow me.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
Breakall: It's a moving target. Whatever serves the purpose of the conversation at hand. For the real story: most ppl care, including Scoble.
- coldbrew
I agree you need seed followers. I just think the way to gain them is by engaging people who interest you. Be proactive. To me,this approach sounds, not disengaged, but not terribly engaging or proactive. I realize I'm an engagement fanatic, but if someone wants me to follow, a witty response to something I've said will lure me in, especially if there's an interesting interchange. Someone who follows me and has a post like you describe, I simply ignore (or block if appropriate for me).
- Ken Camp
Hmm, you should follow me if you'd like to keep a pulse on grassroots tech organizing going on locally to nationally, and because I'm looking for more #scifi fans to chat with. (@deannecuellar)
- DeAnne Cuellar
Quite simply this is all an exchange of ideas, thoughts and information. I want to follow and be followed by those whom I can learn from, as well as to receive input/advice/insight from.
- Ted Bradford II
I'm actually culling what few followers I do have to get to a conversation that makes sense for our "marketing" business. Um, yea, guess that's not a "pitch".
- Glen Group
Ken: this is my way of finding interesting new people to follow who I might otherwise not know about. Also, anyone who answers here IS engaging.
- Robert Scoble
you should only follow me if you like Star Wars, baby photos, web design, gadgets, random weirdness, memes, and music that makes you nod your head to the beat
- Nathan Chase
@coldbrew You're exactly right, they do care. Just a little reminder of advice that's come before when OTHERS were trying to ratchet up the follower numbers. /cold brew coffee rawks
- Scott Breakall
follow me, because i would get more active with more followers. :)
- Alexander Rode
I try to be interesting, but really we are starting 2 new businesses here and I could use as many followers as possible. And I follow back.
- Audrey
Nathan: if anyone ANDs that list you won't get any followers! I choose to OR it and am now following.
- Chris Taylor
@Wordful: [I'm not above begging, so please oh please follow me.] Follow me because I'm someone who can help you understand and implement an editorial strategy on your blog. I'm also a no-BS deep thinker who doesn't like to conform.
- Charles
You can follow me - @michiels on twitter - if you're interested on how a European internet startup works and what differences there are with for example SV startups. Also how Dutch schools combine entrepreneurship and studying.
- Michiel Sikkes
if the follow isn't two-way, well it's not much of a conversation is it?
- Sean O'Brien
@Alexander, sounds like chicken and egg problem. Do the followers come before the comments and content or after? :)
- Paul Wade
The problem here on FF is that the majority of potential subscribers are in the USA so the site is most active when I'm in bed here in the UK! I think the key to getting subscribers is to engage with others' content and make sure you share interesting things yourself. That way you become a 'valued' member of the community. You have to put some 'work' in though.
- Martin Bryant
Getting that starting mass is an absolute nightmare. I think i hace about 9 followers and all but 4 of those are spammers. I haven't been that prolific so far but i'm trying and will hopefully trigger some interesting thoughts in your head
- Jamie Vidamour
Rather than begging for followers, I'd like to tell you all how I've learned to use Twitter to engage like minded aviation related folks in a time when my industry (business aviation) is under fire from all sides. Twitter has allowed me to build meaningful relationships with those that write about and/or care about the future of our industry. Follow @BizAv if you're interested in joining the conversation or check out http://tinyurl.com/GJetTwitter for other business aviation related Twitters.
- Mike Mikolay
I've actually noticed I've had a few more followers lately than I've had before. Hopefully they're getting some interesting tidbits from me.
- Paul Wade
audrey, i personally believe in quality over quantity. one needs numbers of course to get the message out (when you aren't giving of course. i.e., signal to noise) but I find no benefit in having 5000 followers if 4000 of them have nothing in common with me/my business/my interests etc.
- Ted Bradford II
@Chris - right, it was a little tounge-in-cheek, but that's the majority of subject matter you'll see crawl across my feed
- Nathan Chase
I don't beg for followers. If you want to follow there is a 98% chance I will follow back. I like to think I bring interesting news to the table.
- John Flynn
The whole idea of "followers" plays to our inherent need of not being alone or feeling important. Gaining followers is like gaining money. You find the excitement of gaining followers and once you are loaded with "followers" so what? It doesn't make you happier, doesn't make you more successful. What's 25 thousand followers if your conversation on twitter is about how many beers you are drinking on happy hour? I find that people who are very zealous about gaining followers have EMPTY conversations.
- Bo Lora
You should follow @jeremybogdan for thoughts on the latest gaming and tech/social media news, in addition to updates on the gaming podcast I run and daily observations. I think that wraps things up in a nice package, but honestly, I enjoy the conversations most. Really more "followers" would just make it possible to carry on conversation and meet people I might have never been able to talk to/meet otherwise.
- Jack Bogdan
Every so often, the world changes, sometimes quickly,sometimes very slowly but sometimes unnoticeably fast. Change is constant and constantly changing. There is no timetable and you cannot predict or trend the unknown but you can change with it as quickly as it evolves. That's what my blog is about..its located at http://newnewstory.blogspot.com
- Iggy Kin
Ok...so I'm here and I absolutely want people to follow me, but why should I have to beg to be followed? I'm doing great work, just like the interview I did with you Robert, and have other cool guests slated to join me. Begging makes me feel dirty somehow. I'd rather have followers slowly work their way into my life than to have them show up en masse one day simply because I begged here. I'm with my pard. Ken. Begging? DO NOT LIKE.
- Sheryl
Mona: I'm looking for new people to follow and there's a lot of newbies here, so figured I'd help.
- Robert Scoble
I'll do it! I provide a weekly podcast for IT pros which provides interviews, views, and tech tips. You can listen to it here even. I also post self amusing thoughts and comments that are only funny and witty to me. Follow me and have a richer life :) If you are interesting I'll find you here too.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
I'm John Wright and I'm building web applications under the name Wright Labs (@wrightlabs). You should follow me if you want to be the first to know about new apps I've built or updates to existing ones.
- John Wright
If I'm followed by those who follow in huge numbers(e.g. @scobleizer), I'd like to be included in one of their "special" friend list or filter. It sucks to have your voice drowned out by the masses. I guess there's always DM. But that works only if the recipient is following you. OK, just follow me already :)
- Edmund Tay
I've already tried to get my current high profile followers engaged in a conversation here: http://friendfeed.com/shaynor... with my GAME which was actually going to provide a fun way for me to gather some usage data to elaborate on a point for further discussion here.....NO COMMENTS from my FF peeps!!!!!
- shayne catrett
also this can relate to the fresh blood tech bloggers discussion a while back
- Kashif Khan
I am @harscoat and this is a test ;) on the Scoble power!! - I am on friendfeed thanks to him to be honest and thanks to friendfeed & Brett Taylor feed I discovered SANTIGOLD (Lights Out in particular) and in the end this feed/twitter thing and collaboration led to value for my ears :) so this feed thing works for me
- Harscoat
Follow me because I'm just too awesome! :P But, in all seriousness if people think I'm interesting then they should follow me. I'm not going to beg for followers. They have to decide on their own if they want to follow me or not.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
I get followers when they see me post on topics they search for; I get the most interaction that way too. So maybe if one wants more followers, one should talk about stuff people care about :-) Other than that sometimes folks I actually know comment on my tweets.
- Emil Sit
Follow me for the occasional humorous comment and pretty photo. And maybe because you got curious, looked at my profile, and figured that, yeah, I'd like to follow that guy. (And I'll do the same for you.) PS: Nice way to kickstart newbies like me into following others.
- Andy Bold
Robert - promoting and begging strike me differently. VERY differently. Promoting myself is easy. I think I'm a fabulous podcaster, fabulous interviewer. I Would LIKE to interview YOU again and want you to let me know when you have something really cool to talk to about, ie Building 43. That's self promotion. Are you buying it? :)
- Sheryl
PLEASE follow me. My mom is the only one commenting on my stuff and it's making me look like a dweeb.
- Christina Henderson
Sheryl: I was already following you! :-)
- Robert Scoble
lol Christina. On another note, do not follow me, I cannot handle the responsibility.
- Christian Collins
Wow this feed has just started and already produced a wide variety of comments. Desperate for followers or power of FriendFeed ;-)
- Michiel Sikkes
Me @smohkim.. why? just to get a bit more than just regular tech news
- Sardar Mohkim Khan
I'm pretty new to FF, so I'm not sure my content is worth following. But I'm trying to learn socmedia while working on video game news at gamingangels.com. So, yeah. :)
- Elizabeth Parmeter
Yes Robert didn't mean beg literally, follow his example which is his first comment. He's really asking a for a concise answer to the question "Why should we follow you?"
- John Wright
I want people who are worth following back. I really could use some interesting thought provoking input.
- Mary Wehrle
Speaking of follower numbers, what's the minimum to shoot for before decent engagement can start to happen?
- Edmund Tay
Robert you make me LAUGH! WTG! And to all my NEW followers, thanks :-)
- Sheryl
I follow back on Twitter @nencetti - to get followers I follow people and wait. (i guess that is sorta begging) to lose followers i tweet too much. I am starting to use FriendFeed, it grows on you, like a fungus...
- Mike Nencetti
Ha, funny Christina! I just jumped into the follow-a-thon here. I want everyone here to follow me because I want to learn from you and hope I share some knowledge to enlighten you some day :-)
- Jason Cronkhite
Robert: Is that based on the assumption that all 4 followers share a common interest in what you have to say or share?
- Edmund Tay
Edmund: yeah. But all you really need is one with other followers who also like what you have to say. The second I post a comment or "like" one of your items it gets shown to thousands of people.
- Robert Scoble
Please, please, please. Why? Because I'm begging.
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
I do hope we can get you along to a #tuttle the next time your in London. In the mean time feel free to follow me @robocallaghan
- Robert O'Callaghan
Robert: I'll be in London in early July!
- Robert Scoble
Willem: you link to cool applications. You should have both begged and explained that.
- Robert Scoble
Take a look at my current FF homepage and if any of the entries engage you on an emotional or intellectual level, then follow!
- Sam Grover
i am begging for followers here for two reasons. 1) my money was wasted in trying to get 19,000 followers in five days and the free snuggie 2) If I get each of my followers to donate one dime to me, i can easily afford the big green hands like scoble has, then EVERYONE would follow me.
- Ted Bradford II
You're already following me Robert - please, only follow me if you want good content. That's the secret to gaining quality followers. I do like to follow others with good content though.
- Jesse Stay
I started with this social networking thing because I miss discussions with fellow scientist when I was one. Not all conversations here are so "eggheaded" but engaging. With more followers I could start more conversations.
- Robert Hafer
samgrover anyone who puts Upcoming.org geeky events in here is good enough for me (like you do).
- Robert Scoble
I see this as a community service thread - no problemo rs :)
- mike "glemak" dunn
i lack focus. my links lack focus. i am the hybrid vigour in your friendlist.
- dromologue
No begging. Look at my feed and subscribe if you like it. It's a mixed bag of tech, marketing, politics, business, food and humor. http://beta.friendfeed.com/ajkohn
- AJ Kohn
Jesse: actually I've gotten quite a few good quality followers by doing crappy content. It's true. The stuff I think is good quality content often doesn't get people to follow, even the smart ones. Of course I learned that by using your tool! :-)
- Robert Scoble
dromologue: you linked to treehugger.com. You can't be half bad.
- Robert Scoble
i am in the same boat. I would love to have followers but i don't have time to focus in on one topic.
- Zach Scott
Jon: my brother will probably enjoy talking to you then!
- Robert Scoble
I probably wont ever beat you or @techmeme. I'm a pretty nice guy though. Plus, I promise to only post a few pictures of cats a month- none of which with be tagged with Obama!
- metalerik
You SHOULDN'T follow me (@supermoose37) because I don't want you to. Anyone currently following me, should stop right now. Follow me, and you'll regret it.
- Marcus Beagley
I can't imagine being interesting enough to follow.
- Peter Kruit
metalerik: I liked the Google Mars images you had up.
- Robert Scoble
Ooos, I forgot to beg and give a reason why I'm begging. So here goes: Follow me because I try to post and share items that I think will be of interest to some if not all of my followers. That and I will also follow you back :)
- Edmund Tay
Peter: you are running the iPhone 3.0 beta. That makes you interesting, didn't you know?
- Robert Scoble
Usually I'll browse the other FF'ers shares and discussions to get a feel for that person's share/insights. I tend to follow people who have an equal number of interesting ORIGINAL items/posts rather than just retweets/reshares. I admit, I'm one of those people who doesn't get a lot of Likes *sad* or Comments
- Glenn Batuyong
PBJ is pretty compelling, and dromlogue's hybrid vigor comment cracked me up. This thread is making me laugh, and keeping me busy!
- Kathy Fitch
I like pictures and stylish things and these you will find in my feed. I usually follow back and I comment too (I know!), especially if I don't have to be serious about it.
- Mark H
Follow @frodeste for tweets on tech, crm, project management and life :)
- Frode Stenstrøm
FF and others have given me the opportunity to engage with people from all over the world from my quaint little town
- Steve
Follow @keithbarrett - I've been in IT for 30 yrs and am just as excited by the possibilities today. I've been involved in all aspects of applying technology to business from software coding to infrastructure design/support. Past employers include DEC, IBM, Red Hat & Disney. Living though the computer->Internet->Social Media changes helps me see a bigger picture of how we got here & where we might go. Like @scobleizer I read TONs of news regularly and share the more interesting bits when he's late :)
- Keith Barrett
Robert: Ideally I like to do at least one of those a week :)
- Sam Grover
Steve: what little town? Update: looks like it's Billings Montana, right? Love that town!
- Robert Scoble
And for those that don't get it - Robert is creating significant content about the people he is engaging. This makes you more than a number or a bio. I should have said follow me because I'm not an SEO or marketer :)
- Keith Barrett
Well, boo. Why isn't the pop out page working for me?
- Kathy Fitch
Makes sense for me to comment here, so that I can get Robert's attention when I need it in future. Plus I follow him anyway.
- Ashish Rangole
Adrian: I'm already following you. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm @thepuck. You should follow me for a mix of tech news, stuff on coding, social media, and writing, plus whatever fun stuff catches my fancy. I sift through tons of content each day and share and publicize the best of it (IMHO). I also have lots of awesome friends who you can meet through me. Thanks for the opportunity, Robert!
- Neal Jansons
You should follow me if you want to live a truly boring life vicariously thru me. :D Serious;y, I am the worlds most boring tech enthusiast.
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
Robert: What are you favorite filters these days? :/
- Christian Collins
OK, on a more serious note, you should follow me (@supermoose37) if you are a fan of either "Transformers" OR "Doctor Who"
- Marcus Beagley
Christian: I have a filter that shows me all items with one like. That's my most used one.
- Robert Scoble
I won't beg for followers but if you are interested in social media, security technology, networking technology, politics, or economics I'm sure we would have alot to share together. I'm on twitter as @tsudo but prefer conversations on Friendfeed.
- Keith - @tsudo
Marcus--How about VR-5? Anyone remember that one?
- Kathy Fitch
When I'm not trying to corral my 2 little boys (4 & 1) I hop on FF to keep my sanity!!
- Kevin Whalen
Christian: it's not that bad, actually. I am building more and more filters, though, on companies in tech industry and terms I see get popular here.
- Robert Scoble
You should follow me because I know where the main cable is for the whole internet and have a saw. I also adore tech, don't own an iphone but would like a Segway. Hopefully enough said :)
- tech pops
If you don't follow me, how else are you going to know which Air Force 1's I like the best? This knowledge could come in handy in the future, you never know.
- Richard Lawler
"I also have lots of awesome friends who you can meet through me." - Gee I'd like to be able to say that someday! Can I meet some? :-)
- Keith Barrett
Okey doke--now following tech pops, strictly for self-preservation, dontcha know.
- Kathy Fitch
Kathy: Sorry, the only thing I watched with VR in the title was "VR Troopers"
- Marcus Beagley
I'm kuckoo for Co-co Puffs and have a few screws loose, so sort of like that box of chocolates: you just never know what you're gonna get tweet-wise (@tweric) or ff-wise. But, man, do I spell good.
- Eric Matas
I noticed some people are actually recommending people in this thread to follow. There's a room you can do that ;) http://beta.friendfeed.com/ff-subs... Although if you want to follow me - feel free I follow 11.6k people and have a river of noise following through constantly so I can find the latest goings on ;)
- Nicholas James
Sigh, it's hell being old. I also loved that short-lived horror dealie, "The Others" I have a tendency only to watch tv that all others apparently (and oh so wrongly) hate.
- Kathy Fitch
DeAnne: I'm following, though for the #nptech, alas not for the scifi!
- Eric Johnson
Follow me because I just came back to FF from a social media vacation, and I have just had time to read some really good (dead wood) media I want to put to good use in future comments and posts:)
- Thomas Bøhm
Robert, point well taken - I guess I'm still trying to figure out why I have gotten the followers I have then. I don't think I've ever begged for followers. Maybe my content is crappy? ;-) I guess most of my audience is probably SocialToo users, which may have something to do with it.
- Jesse Stay
Now I'm wishing it wouldn't default to top of page after every follow. How spoiled am I?
- Kathy Fitch
My little brother just signed up for Twitter (http://twitter.com/aaronmatas) and I'd love for legions of people to follow him just to scare the sh*# out of him...by showing him the POWER of the social web. Bru-ha-ha-ha-haaa. Oh yeah, he's a TV sports journalist, so he kinda needs to know. Thanks -- please tell others!
- Eric Matas
Follow me for tech info related to graphics, web programming, browsers, iPhones, and natural language processing. And, maybe I'll fill you in on my next big project :-)
- Charles Ying
Charles: your page is the most interesting I've seen yet (to me).
- Robert Scoble
Follow me for site feedback ideas (and thoughts about UI in general), programing advice (to come), an introduction to the game of Go (to come, in a separate feed), (re)shares of interesting and/or depressing political blog articles (note: I brand myself "moderate socialist" policitally, though I'm assuredly not opposed to meritocracy), and random philosophical musings.
- Karl Knechtel
Well, my knee-jerk reaction to "beg" lingo notwithstanding (you'd think my knee would learn to behave after all this time), this is a fun follow party. I'll be back later to see who I missed. (Because, here, you *can* come back later, which is awfully nice.)
- Kathy Fitch
Oh yeah also, you should follow me because I'm an application developer and ultimately I want to build what YOU want and what YOU will use. (and I need your feedback to do that :) )
- John Wright
Because I just started FF when the beta came, and needs a kick to get started :)
- Erik Gulliksen
I like to express and pass on info about: Tech, Flyfishing, Architecture and remodeling construction. I am a freelance Architect Draftsman in Wisconsin.
- Frank Sant'Agata
I'm IT hitman working in The Bahamas. I tend to follow Foreign Policy/Defense Blogs and dabble in political satire.
- Adi
Frank: What areas of Tech do you tend to talk about most? Do you photograph Architecture too? You need some feeds into your FF my friend.
- Paul Wade
Though I don't post a lot of native FF entries, I like likes and comments as a way of filtering stuff. I'll share with you; you share with me. And I love FF's real time features, particularly when combined with live video.
- Tom Landini
Ah, I'm a mom, so I'm used to the wide-eyed beg. Dogs and kids--there's some real smarts there that we could all learn from. Besides, this whole thread made me laugh out loud right at my keyboard more than I have in a long while.
- Kathy Fitch
beg is an odd thing. Yes - I want followers - not for the sense of feeling oddly popular - but like @scobleizer I like being able to search through massive amounts of data that users create, and without followers, i'm limited.
- Courtney Engle
<--cracking up. This couldn't possibly have been a less subjugating experience for anyone. The "beg" term got hackles up, but also grabbed perfect gobs of attention, so there you go. It's a fun and funny thing, and my bberry, for one, is all abuzz about it! (Humming a Temptations tune and smiling, here.)
- Kathy Fitch
Wow, amazed at the semantics debate over "beg". Report just in... all net oriented sarcasm/tongue-in-cheek/parody must come with obligatory semi-colon parenthesis to indicate jest (even if to a minor degree). ;-) Would much appreciate the follow Robert, I always enjoy your posts. As a consultant I work on finding simple solutions to complex problems... my tweets are all over the place.
- SAM
I have about 280 "hand picked" followers. That might not be all that impressive, but I have a quality stream at least.
- Rutger Blom
Rutger: I find that the best quality you can get is to stick to under 200 people you're following. I do that with Friendfeed's lists.
- Robert Scoble
Back so soon :-) The London #tuttle is on a friday at the moment 10-12 at the ica in London.
- Robert O'Callaghan
Because I only joined Ff because of Scobelizer, therefore he should have to watch me flounder around trying to do something unique.
- Gregg Le Blanc
1up Scott, Begging has the well deserved connotation of supplication. Hence, the semantics. I would like to find more people that are interested in the Semantic web. Wordpress hacks and plug-in development, Designers, Coders, Innovators that need Beta testers. Companies with products that I may be interested in. My interest's are becoming more diverse as a result of my participation here. TY
- Eric Logan
I talk about library stuff, volunteer and service stuff, social media stuff, and Drupal as a versatile platform. If you're interested in any of that, you'll be interested in me. I also like food and kids.
- Laura Norvig
I am sort of feeling like Oliver asking for more gruel, May I please have more followers sir, I promise if your not educated at least you will be entertained and amused.
- Kim Landwehr
Well, sure, but I'm thinking back to the days when the listserv was a main mode of discussion. The subscribers were a kind of built in audience that posters to the lists didn't really have to fight for (though list founders had some work to do)--the challenge (and the fun) was in engaging people *despite* not having a handpicked audience. Some self-selection because of list themes, of course, but the audience was there, and anyone could join. Some of the best discussions actually flowed from difference.
- Kathy Fitch
Because I want to become more involved and participate as a connector.
- Trish Ridgway
Bill: followers are overrated. But I'm following you now.
- Robert Scoble
Are you testing whether there's a limit to the number of comments in FF? ;)
- Janek Mann
I'm trying to straddle journalism, tech and sports all at once (can you straddle three things, by the way?). Looking for ideas and feedback ... @jondenunzio
- Jon DeNunzio
Forget followers, I would like just ONE comment on my FF! (BTW, your already following me Robert)
- David
I have nothing for you to read of any importance just random thoughts.LOl just wanted to throw my two cents in for what it is worth.
- stan fogo
Follow me if you like games and insights about game studies. I'm a game designer studying how to use game design to improve the experience of web applications. @kurai
- Federico F.
Not sure there are any limits on number of comments in a thread. Ffundercats used Friendfeed as live chat while recording an episode and got over 1500 http://beta.friendfeed.com/ffunder...
- Tom Landini
David - you should import more things then just Twitter then ;)
- Nicholas James
Someone should follow because of an affinity for either the subject matter, interests, or attitude someone else shows in other comments. I don't see it as a need, so much as a desire for company, interested in similar pursuits but different viewpoints and perspectives to contribute. I have been in tech for 30 plus years, yet have published my poems & fiction for just as long. I always have an articulate opinion and love to chat. I don't have as much time as I'd like 2 come to FF to engage with others.
- Phil Boiarski
My views are different than everyone else’s, that is the only good reason to follow anyone at all.
- John D Reasor
Hi, i'm a french student in management. I'm mostly interested in IT, media, newspaper crisis and other stuffs (sometimes in french :s). I intend to be more and more active on FF in the future, so one day to another, you might have to follow me. Why wait ? :P
- Stanislas Jourdan
Interesting. I'm not sure that I'm a high contributor. I follow to feed on information. In doing so, I find people to engage.
- Valley
OK, I'm throwing my hat in. I've started contributing by linking all my accounts, and finally having a reason to use the share feature of Google Reader. It's awesome to add my voice to the conversation. But after a while, when none of my posts get any likes or comments, it can feel like you have to be super popular to get in on this. I'm a relatively new user, but it would be nice to have a few more followers at least.
- Matthew
beg? seriously? I'd rather not engage people If it requires begging. Well I see you used "beg" to spur engagement.. But I still don't like the word even if it resulted in the desired effect. I guess I'm just not that desirous of conversation simply for the sake of it but rather to expand my thought processes and to alleviate my biases
- Bill Rawlinson
Cuz I'm the last and newest person to post a comment here. Bananers.
- Harry Wolff
This reminds me of back when torrents first came out and I'd post stuff to see if anyone would download it. We're throwing stuff at the wall and seeing if any sticks. Friendfeed is a useful addiction.
- Matthew
LOL! Amazing how many people take offense to the words "beg" and "need" -I "need" more people to engage my thoughts. (What a great way of putting that) It would be nice if more people would see the things I post and comment on so that I would get out more from this little (but expanding) corner of FriendFeed. I have plenty to say, but only a handful of active people to critique it. Tech, SM, Dogs, humor. #funhashtags. Please help Robert, Louis and Jesse take a break from me ;) Introduce me to your friends!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I am far less interesting than @scobleizer... I am an early adopter with a private-beta-testing-program addiction. I offer loads of insight to developers, designers (and users at large alike) on this new stuff. I'm the one you want testing your app, service, nifty super cool product of the now. Follow me pretty please with microchips on top, I'm @tinym
- t i n y m
I don't want more followers, I want more engagement from existing followers. More subscribers is great and all - but if they're not going to engage, it doesn't excite me at all.
- Anthony Citrano
Nice idea! I'm not one to beg, but seeing as I could do with some more engaging followers, this is a bit of an experiment. Follow @daveinthecloud for predominantly tech, Apple and science-based updates.
- Dave
I use FriendFeed more to read interesting things I wouldn't normally see. I'm not always around and I don't always participate. Does that make me a bad person? (@elroy)
- elroy
Fun post! Lots of cool people to follow. Marketing and tech geek who happens to make wine in her basement. @bsmntbootlegger
- Karrie Sullivan
An impressive list of comments already. And I have found a few interesting people to follow here already. I guess it is all about "give and take".
- Mike Hellers
Ok, I'll bite: Why should you follow me? Because I post about science, math, music, programming and geek stuff with wit, style and panache.
- Chris Taylor
lol! I was making wine in my backpack on my bike trip this summer :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Follow me. Help make media history by reaching the first 10 million follows. ... Well I guess that won't work anymore.
- Keith Barrett
There is a lot of talk in the comments about "audience", "SEO" & the "need" for followers, this all appears very $ orientated to me, maybe someone "influential" should start a conversation along the lines of "how can I make you happy on friendfeed"?
- William
if you are a geek into getting stories related to social media, geeky stories, pics, videos, tech related stuff, like bacon or lego or star wars. you will probably like my stuff. check it out....and hope to see you soon!
- (jeff)isageek
Unless you like NSFW stuff and LOLCats stuff, really nothing to see with following me. :P
- Christian (Simply X)
I'm game for more followers. I run research boats for a living and sometimes like to blog about that, my bad ass dog Jake (Silky Terrier) and other things I find interesting...tech, cool photos, hikes, etc...on my personal Posterous blog. I've been active on twitter for quite awhile but am fairly new to Friend Feed. I get a real kick out of most members of the Gillmor Gang and like following their conversations...maybe I'll start to engage more.
- Scott Schanke
William: I think ur missing the point, it's about being new to ff and having a voice.
- Frank Sant'Agata
Praise @Scoble for once again "starting" a conversation
- William
For me, the whole tech deal has always been a love of the game issue. It's like writing, that way, and teaching, too. Interesting how perspectives differ. I just thought of this as fun, and as an opportunity to learn and connect. Also, my inner English prof always thinks of "audience" as a matter of rhetoric first. A thing like this, for instance http://tinyurl.com/cxkzpo is its own reward: great chance to meet people, and it made me *really* hungry.
- Kathy Fitch
Lindsey - surely meeting more serial killers is not the answer. ;-)
- Brian Sullivan
See, there? Lindsey not only spells her name correctly, but also likes horror! Lindsey, I spent quite a few years teaching horror film! (The *best* students in those classes, oh my gosh--such an interesting mix.)
- Kathy Fitch
I just subscribed to everyone in this thread that I wasn't already subscribed to. Why? I love participation. People commenting here participate.
- Thomas Hawk
Good plan Thomas I think I will do the same.
- Brian Sullivan
Hi. I'm Simon, i post a mashup of stuff from all sorts or genres. Photo's, art, tech, videos, games. I'm a bit of a 'i like everything' kind of guy. I try to get in on lots on convo's, and i never really leave FF, sometimes i just sit here idle and watch the world pass me by :)
- Simon Wicks
"That's an example of what I'd like you to do. I will follow anyone who answers on this thread" is that a promise robert ? :)
- goutham
that are some interesting question to address here...will people be more likely to get into friendfeed if more people follow them? or are people more keen on just sharing their thoughts and feelings with a select few? should there be a way to algorithmically increase the visibility of a post ? is that "fair" ?
- goutham
You should follow Pax Stereo Tv (www.paxstereo.tv) because we represent something NEW and DIFFERENT! While we lack the full sophistication of a traditional network, our "NeoUrban Internet Television" network is at least original and edgy, and we are streaming live Monday through Thursday every week! All this with only 3 full time staff! We represent YOU, the new breed! We are not perfect, but we keep it coming, and we are getting better. Peace. - Mario Hemsley CEO
- Pax Stereo Tv
What's the easiest way to go through and follow everyone here? I don't really have to go down the list one by one do I? I started to but thought there must be an easier way...
- Scott Schanke
Initiatives to free the world economy in ways that benefit the poor @openworld
- Mark Frazier
Scott: I had to add each one of my 14,377 subscriptions by hand, so so do you. Sorry, there isn't a way to "follow all" here. Which is a good thing, in my view.
- Robert Scoble
goutham: I am following everyone who has participated with a comment in this thread. Scott: you can see if you are following someone already by looking at the little icon to the left of their comment. If you are already following them, it'll be bluish. If you aren't, it'll be white.
- Robert Scoble
Ok thanks Robert...I'm just a bit frustrated that it keeps collapsing the conversation after each follow and therefore I have to find where the hell I left off...I'm plodding along though.
- Scott Schanke
Scott: I have this thread running in a popup Window. Here's how to do that. First, open this item up into its own Window by clicking here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei... Then click the time stamp (it says "5 hours ago" right now) and then it'll open up its own little Window. That makes it "live" and like a chat room. Scroll to the bottom and watch new items pop in.
- Robert Scoble
I follow smart, funny people, and I post/pass along all kinds of stuff. I never know what I'll come across next, anything from the effects of cancer treatment on IQ scores, to vintage cocktails, to news on weird fiction writers, to updates on the latest and greatest zombie games, to random questions and ideas that occur to me in the wee hours. I'm always looking for posts that have me saying, "Hmmmm, that's interesting...and here's why..."
- Heather
I'm not sure begging for followers is in our self interest, Robert. I find that the people who hawk themselves loudest aren't the people I make the best connection with. And it's that connection that matters whether it's a personal or professional.
- Susan Reynolds
Not sure if I need any followers, but I think people follow me because I'm so freakin awesome. Oh, you haven't heard of me? Find me on The Google. :)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Oooooo.. Choose me. Choose me. Choose me. Oh wait. You already follow me. But anyone else is welcome to read my nonsense about whatever is on my mind. Lately - dissertation, teaching chemistry, thinking about some technology, and just fun family items (mainly my dog)
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Susan: that's fair. But in friendfeed you can put people into lists. So you can subscribe to all the "beggers" and put them into "begged for follow" list. That way it won't mess up your other followers.
- Robert Scoble
nicefishfilms: I'm already following LPH. Weird, I've met both him and you in real life, too!
- Robert Scoble
I'd rather people follow me because I said something or posted something interesting.
- CAJ, somewhere else
Rahsheen: if you are on "the Google" then you MUST be awesome! I'm on "the Google" too. Search for "Robert." :-)
- Robert Scoble
Yep - I'm being followed - (looking behind me) - wait - why are you always in front of me then Robert?
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Alan: you must have posted something interesting, because I'm following you. Either that or I thought you were that country singer! :-)
- Robert Scoble
LPH: you actually passed chemistry on the first try. I did not. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Any interest in visiting Alaska? Find out why you should plan a trip to Fairbanks @insidealaska
- Inside Alaska
Robert: You're the first to mention it, actually. I wondered if the same thing was happening on Twitter. ;)
- CAJ, somewhere else
Inside Alaska: that's always been one of my life-long dreams. Interesting, I'm noticing more marketers setting up shop in friendfeed. Next come the celebrities! Alan: heh, probably!
- Robert Scoble
this thread is officially to long to follow on an iphone
- mike "glemak" dunn
mike: it's too long to follow on a 24-inch Apple display, too! :-)
- Robert Scoble
We are always striving to be the best. @abounding
- Abounding Media
Thanks for the "Hot Tip" Robert!! Much easier.
- Scott Schanke
Follow me for posts about social media, the publishing industry, online communities, funny pictures, and my coffee addiction. Oh, and babies. I run a baby site and have a baby so...expect some babies. I also enjoy swearing so there may be some of that.
- Kate
Follow me (@abbashaiderali) if you like a mix of tech, finance, cars, random, and personal content. Variety keeps me interested & you're cut from the same cloth, we'll get along just fine :)
- Abbas Haider Ali
You can't be shy. You need to have a voice and use it.
- Russ Jackson
I promote the issues that are important to those I follow. But follow me because I took the time to read through ALL of these responses... :) @rbucich
- Rick Bucich
I dunno about begging but new followers are always nice
- Angela P.
I will have to say, I found several new people this way, so thanks Robert. I know I need to get better at finding more people myself, a la the FFundercats podcast Louis Gray discussion.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
you better be following me .. Im a fireman and I haz an axe ..
- johnpiercy
I don't want 'followers' - vanity is my least favourite sin. I want stimulating conversations & interesting stuff to read/watch/etc.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
I'm @ryandadey and I love the internet and would like to be more engaged with people who feel the same. I like to share through FriendFeed and Twitter interesting tech, science and environment articles from Google Reader, as well some of my own thoughts. It would be more fun if I knew people were seeing my stream!
- Ryan Dadey
I'm just this guy whose life has been revolutionized by the social web. I'm no "guru" or "expert," but because I live here so much, many people and even companies and organizations have asked me to guide them into this landscape, a responsibility that both scares and energizes me. Because of that, I seek to share, give, and help anywhere possible. Trying to make tons of connections; if you want to be one, thanks!
- Mark Traphagen
Martin Bryant is right - now that the US is asleep, this thread has died down. Onward Europe, Middle-east, Asia ! :)
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Thanks for the offer to follow us commenters Robert. I subscribe to all friendfeeders who leave comments as well. It's a great way to get to the heart of who's really participating in the trenches here on FF. BTW about me.. I started writing and acting when I was seven. I'm a musician/singer/songwriter and freelance writer/journo. I help others use the web to build an audience for their passion.
- Jesse Newhart
hmm, so it is quiet when the US are offline! Too bad, I'd love some more people to follow, be followed and have conversations with from the rest of the sphere. Widen the horizon.
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
nice idea - unfortunately friendfeed gets unreadable with so much comments. btw: i'm friendfeeding mainly about technology, consulting, personal productivity, gtd...
- Alexander Benker
You should follow me because I tend to find interesting programming articles on the topics of: Django, Python, key-value stores, and more.
- Eric Florenzano
I don't care if people follow me or not. I've been writing online (Usenet) since 1989, before the web, but Google's index only seems to go back to 1992. Most of my stuff isn't even on my blog, it's in email lists and discussion threads such as http://tinyurl.com/df5kc2 and http://tinyurl.com/3gfqzj (better than anything I've written here). A sample will give you some idea: "By what...
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- Victor Panlilio
I like talking to people and having conversations. It's no fun being on the social web if I'm not engaging anybody, and I need followers and people to follow to do that.
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
No question about it, people should at least attempt to read new and different drummers daily because following the followed will always leave you in the follower camp. They laughed at Bob Dylan, they laughed at Gary Vaynerchuck, where are *they* now?
- randulo
I tend to follow the people that interact with me on my imported items, if I am not already following you I apologies. Just drop me a DM and I will happily subscribe to your feed :)
- Joe Dawson
That's a tough one, Joe -- you can only DM folks who have subscribed to you...
- Eric Johnson
I don't give a crap about the other comments here - I need to make sure I have the Scobles following me. I mean, I think they are already. But still. Gotta cover my bases. As to WHY anyone should follow me: I like to think I take a humorous outlook on things, and can make you giggle at least once per day. Snark is my tool. Also, I'm earnest and naive, and I'll treat you with the respect you expect and deserve from the Internet. Also, cats flushing toilets: http://bit.ly/2Lx2w
- Mike Nayyar
A retail designer by day (mainly customer experiences for consumer electronics shoppers) and a geek by night. If you want to brainstorm about how you'd like to shop and find cool new products, I'd love to hear from you.
- Jason Goldberg
Hi, @cantor there, i'm an It Systems Specialist and a student (Computer Engineering in Pisa). I think you can follow me because i have ideas and opinions and i want to express them, i like to find & share and I'll do the best in "extreme multitasking mode" :P.
- CantorJF
follow me because scoble told me to beg =P
- Zafarali
@robbell You should follow me because you lack the motivation to follow more inspiring individuals :)
- Rob Bell
I just started on FF and find it very interesting because of the focus on interaction arround subjects... FB is mostly talk about nothing, and I'm the only one in my friend group posting articles that interest me. Follow if u like... that will kindda help out on the interaction part!
- Kevin Nordmand
Over 280 comments. Advantage of FriendFeed. Nice. Follow me for some interesting stuff online and offline. Geeky and non-geeky
- Kannan
I am @alexisbellido and you should follow me to find more about teleworking, the Web and online businesses. I recently started using social media to support good causes and make your opinion matter. Currently supporting fight against hemophilia
- Alexis Bellido
People should follow other people because something is said that rings true. Not because someone BEGS for it. Please don't take this comment as an invitation to follow me, thanks.
- Vincent van Wylick
@Vincent: Well said. Truth is like gravity: you can pretend it doesn't exist, but you can't ultimately escape from it.
- Victor Panlilio
cool self help group here! social media anonymous! :D
- Dieter Schwarz
Nearing 300 comments, the Scoble Effect indeed. Is that FF comment raffle over by the way?
- Adi
For me at least, it's not as important that you follow me as it is that I follow you. You are very likely not to be interested in the stuff in my feed (and that's ok with me, please don't follow me unless you really find my crap, interesting), but you might like me commenting in your threads, which is where I get the most enjoyment from friendfeed..in the conversations on other people's posts. I am not that good of a conversation starter, but I am very good at jumping in when someone else does the starting.
- April Russo (app103)
Follow me because I find unique interesting content before most people, I read allot and am subscribed to allot of popular and interesting feeds not many people know about!
- Kyle Weller
Most of my feed activity revolves around various creative, social, and mobile technologies. Usually my own ideas and experiences with my own projects, and not so much link sharing. I like to think of myself as a quality over quantity kind of guy, so I won't overload your stream. I plan on hiking the Appalachian Trail next year and documenting it on the web as I go, so that should be interesting. I'm 5'9'' and I weigh... wait... what is this for again?
- Daniel Sims
I often hear I am hard to follow. Maybe it's the Dutch. Maybe my wandering spirit.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
Ruud: That's why I don't twitter in Dutch. In fact we should just all talk English ;)
- Peter Kruit
Well I already follow the green guy (Scobelizer) on Twitter and FriendFeed and he follows me. But since I'm just an average guy, working in the Nonprofit field, I've found it a bit difficult to acquire followers on FriendFeed (not nearly as difficult on Twitter). So if anyone is interested in following someone who shares an eclectic mix of thoughts and interests, please feel free.
- John A. Taylor
It does feel good to have activity on your feed. Makes me feel like someone is listening to me.
- Christian Burns
I'm just getting started with friendfeed and already find the discussions great. I'm looking forward to being able to contribute some of my own thoughts to the conversations. After all, there are a lot of great things happening based off the idea of a person and the energy of a group.
- John Spyers
I'd love to connect with more marketers here on FriendFeed - not just social media types, but business and marketing strategy peoples... Small business owners would be great, too.
- Dennis O'Neil
I don't beg either, but since you asked...I'm good for some silliness, the occasional deep thought, encouragement of discussion of any kind (mostly political), and a good song or two. I'd like some musicians and poets to get on board as well.
- Helen Sventitsky
I like art, music, 3D, electric guitar, analgog synths, puppets, making stuff, my family, metaplace. I blog about artsy process and put up sweet flickr images.
- sergiooo
I have 9 followers, one is Robert, but virtually no discussion. I'm one of the few people on FF that works with the government, works in a non-IT startup, and will recommend great economics and sustainability items.
- Chris Stevenson
I just don't buy it yet. There is still way too much noise, and I'm not one of those guys with the time to go through posts with 300 (mostly uninteresting) comments. I have to filter extensively to get just a simdgeon of the interesting articles I pull off of GReader with Feedly and comments from the blogs themselves. Friendfeed would be great with Real Life connections, but they are all on Facebook. Friendfeed has a major uphill battle ahead of them, despite their superior interface and technology.
- Phil Ashman
FF is a good twitter client though..;)...
- Phil Ashman
Begging time. Follow me and SherylBreuker here (@kencamp & @SherylBreuker on Twitter. Please follow us and check this post Sheryl & Ken: Project Denmark (for 48 hours) #48hoursindk at http://stardustglobalventures.com/2009... We'll take you on the road to Denmark via social media. Help us win!
- Ken Camp
Great thread! Found some goodies in here (and some crazies)
- Daniel Morgan
So MySQL goes to Oracle and Oracle just got more interesting in cloud computing and datacenter wars. But not sure what it means, I need sleep to contemplate it all.
- Robert Scoble
So Dave Winer tweeted this url (zdnet blog) http://tr.im/jdQg and there's not a single mention of MySQL in it... and in this NYTimes article there's only one mention at the end... Where's reporter asking Ellison what MySQL's future is with Oracle?
- Chris Heath
Wonder what this means for MySQL, Open Office and of course Java?
- KyleHase
from twhirl
Liking as in "whoa! want to know more".
- Neil Saunders
You know mysql has not been changed after the acqusition of Sun. But we are not sure what will be on the future.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
from fftogo
Quite bizarre... but I guess it makes sense. Oracle has gobbled up so many companies to round out it's software verticals and diagonals. Buying Sun adds a hardware layer beneath their offerings pitting them head-to-head against DB2 on AIX (as if it's ever been a real threat). Should be fascinating to watch this evolution...
- Ankush Narula
Then, there is just two big company about databases; MS and Oracle.
- Arda Çetin
But will there be any change in the way MySQL is acquired? Will Oracle try to impose an Oracle support contract structure? I confess that I completely missed the MySQL aspect of this myself initially, but that part will make this Oracle's most challenging acquisition.
- John E. Bredehoft
If Sun doesn't have MySQL. You think Oracle still buy Sun at this time?
- Arda Çetin
Arda, there's a benefit from Oracle having its own hardware division. It's always looking for ways to increase its stack, and since it's now in the OS business, why not hardware also? Not sure of Java's true worth to Oracle, other than bragging rights.
- John E. Bredehoft
I wonder if these Microsoft alike companies still exist in 10 years from now.
- Rutger Blom
Contributing by commenting! Love Disqus, it's allowed me to have an in-depth communication with my blog readers. However, live comments would rock.
- Shane Adams
All this is, is an evolution of IRC chat and Usenet, now web-enabled.
- Victor Panlilio
Because people who think that their site is the only place where discussion lives misses the power and the potential of it. It's not about your blog with FriendFeed, it's about your blog with 5 different sites, all at once.
- Johnny Worthington
Its becomig impossible to track the comments here.:)
- Roberto Bonini
Live is better than the alternatives.
- Eric Logan
Live comments enables you to have a conversation and gain more insight into the topic that's being presented as the audience can facilitate brainstorming and more!
- Eden Hensley
And it's cool pulling in comments from other countries live. It's Sat. morning here in Philippines.
- Nick in Manila
Jesse: Daniel is here, says hi back.
- Robert Scoble
if only it played a teletype noise as they appeared :-)
- Robert O'Callaghan
I'm not sure everything has to be live... live comments might lead to less thoughtful comments. I appreciate when someone writes out a thoughtful comment which enhances a thoughtful blog post.
- Rory Conway
Mark: Disqus is a commenting service for bloggers and those who comment on them. Shoves those comments into friendfeed quickly too!
- Robert Scoble
i'm trying to think of something novel to say here. +1 live commenting
- Charles Ying
I just filmed a video here at Disqus, will get that up soon.
- Robert Scoble
The boundary between IM and A-sync chat disappears, and all of it relevant to the parent topic, indexed and searchable, integrated with identity and exists across the social graph of the people participating.
- Robert
Roberto: everyone who sees this is rocked by it. They see their world changing.
- Robert Scoble
Live comments rock. Would love to see live + shareability integrate - comment live, then broadcast it elsewhere to drive people back to where you're commenting.
- Suzi Craig
friendfeed chat is here, very useful, when did this come out? today?
- David Lynch
Brian: but that one needs to be refreshed manually.
- Robert Scoble
No it doesn't not in my browser anyway.
- Brian Sullivan
Because live and dynamic interaction is where this has all been going from the beginning. The only reason we were doing it the other way was a limitation in the technology that isn't there anymore.
- Neal Jansons
Trying to wrap my head around what live comments offer smaller, less active communities...I guess the ability to have livelier exchanges when the conversation heats up.
- Scott Rogers
If Friendfeed is the new IRC, then I'll have some popcorn while waiting for the bad ASCII art to appear.
- Heather
Actually, there are more spam messages coming through Disqus lately. They may want to clamp down on that challenge but I'm not sure how ...
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Ok. I love Disqus too. Whatever you tell them treat them right. It's hard to beat FF anyways.
- Carlos Lorenzo
I'm glad they haven't invented smellivision yet ;-)
- Richard
Only one problem - my comments to FF get pushed to Twitter, which posts to my wall on FaceBook. Too many feedback loops.
- Victor Panlilio
Live comments would be very cool. No more double "First".
- KyleHase
from twhirl
Scobleizernatordebutantificator: Will have another Guinness, then comment. Transparency is much more fun with booze. At least for the recipient . . .
- Suzi Craig
hey, why not. Better, hook with Twitter, and everytime I have an @me, it sends me an email as if someone commented on my blog or replied to one of my comments, and I can reply to this message from my email. Twitter should be more like Disqus! Real time is just a buzz.
- xavier vespa
Robert, you've successfully got me on FF bandwagon.
- Adi
Checking out FF for the first time. Cool...I like it. Thanks, Robert.
- Anthony Weeks
This is the day of interactive communications and rapid feedback. CNN gets interaction and rapid feedback from its polls and Larry King call-ins. Bloggers get interaction and rapid feedback from blog comments.
- Greg Griffith
I'd also like a few more basic features to work in Disqus. Like allowing readers to subscribe to *all* of a post's comments via email - currently they can only get emails when someone hits the little Reply button below a comment of theirs. A lot of folks like following all comments on a post once they're in on it. Also would like to be able to moderate trackbacks without workarounds, and to have the whole Moderation section work much better ...
- Patrick Jordan
real-time is the future and will push filter and discovery.....
- david fishman
Real time comments in blogs FTW !!!
- Nir Ben Yona
I've actually got this little popup friendfeed window open... it's taking up way too much of my life right now. ;)
- Susan
Agreed. FF beta is the way forward, and live Disqus comments can only strengthen that. Today's @oprah and @aplusk will add awareness to the social web, but as long as FF and D continue, the social web will truly move along.
- Pinksy
@Giannii, can you give details on how soon email subscriptions are coming? In this thread http://disqus.disqus.com/notify_... Daniel Ha said you guys were working on email subscriptions a year ago.
- Rob Boek
@ Giannii - cool, glad to hear it. Please look into better / more complete Moderation as well. As it stands now, you lose a lot when turning Disqus on for a Wordpress blog (vs. what we had before in Wordpress's own admin panel) ...
- Patrick Jordan
I just recently added Disqus comments to my tumblr blog and love it so far. Live would be very cool.
- mrsha
Oh, Rob's point reminds me of another. You need to improve support please. The Support Wiki strikes me as very badly organized and hence nearly useless, and the support forums have questions that sit there for days and days and days with zero response ...
- Patrick Jordan
Uh, duh, cause it's more useful. Live web updates (like beta.ff) allows you to participate in real time if you're able. Gets a touch closer to actual human conversations from the average comment board. And live commenting on a blog or FF doesn't necessarily demand all attention like IRC or IM would tend to make you feel you have to stay participating. Remember, some people still have fun with the conversation and add value even though they don't realize it's live - they just read a stream, add a comm...
- Shane Curcuru
... ment like it's just a plain old blog. (Hmm, FF comments have a limit, eh). Key features are still making it easy and seamless for all users to participate. Oh, and make sure you place nicely with other tools.
- Shane Curcuru
@ Giannii - my support experience may not be typical then - but over the course of submitting four separate queries, I've never had timely or effective response. My first query sat on the forum for 7-8 days with no response until I searched out a Disqus Twitter account and (twice) tweeted asking whether Disqus provides any support. Another consistent thing on all my queries was that there would be no response for quite some time, followed by a request to try something I had already stated I'd tried in my
- Patrick Jordan
Cont'd: original post. All four issues ended up being genuine problems / bugs / missing features as well - so they were not user error type stuff. Again, mine may not be the typical experience, but having had very poor response on four separate queries over a period of 2 -3 weeks does not strike me as just a single off day or bad luck kinda thing either ...
- Patrick Jordan
The real question here is whether it would be smarter and easier to bring blogging here (and have FF entries replace blog entries) rather than bringing real time commenting to blogs.
- Brian Sullivan
This is very interesting. If Disqus had live comments and seamless FF integration all packaged together ready to plug into your website/blog/whatever it would be clearly different to any other system. Juggling various sources of information and discussions on multiple platforms is time-consuming so if you offer a solution to that you will win. Show how ppl can feed everything into FF and from there in and out to their sites...or whatever way so that it can all be bundled and managed. Keep us informed!
- WorldofHiglet
@ Giannii - thank you. I like Disqus a whole lot - its features are great, if support is improved it will really be the bomb ...
- Patrick Jordan
Disqus, Friendfeed and Twitter shld merge, and make this integration a lot easier for all of us.
- William Mougayar
I agree with William M. Social network feeders need to lead the new era of collaboration. If universities can do it and disciplines can do it, then sites need to get on board and either merge or work together more coherently to offer better integration for users
- Bahiyyih
Frank: I'm wondering the same thing, but I saw a LOT of people but only a small number of bags.
- Robert Scoble
UK VAT (Sales tax) has been reduced by 2.5% & it's the official start of London's holiday shopping season. There will be a large number of visitors from Europe, the Pound hasn't been doing well against the Euro.
- Steven Cains
Hope you're having fun in London - I'm not going up to the smoke this year, as I'm keeping my Christmas shopping local.
- Vicky
I wonder what the SF and NY stores are like today? Would be an interesting comparison.
- Robin Barooah
this went really well - we had Tim Brocklehurst, Kevin Brown and Martin Avis there :-) There will be another one next month. Same place/time - not sure on the date yet.
- Robert O'Callaghan
thanks for a great challenge ed dale. I'm only on lesson... 8 :( but i'm gonna finish and i've already learned a ton!!! thank you thank you
- washwords
from twhirl
So, Rob La Gesse now you lose all control of the conversation. See how this happens? Now I'll comment on your things twice: once in Google Reader (I used the note feed to post the comment above to all my readers there) and now I can talk on FriendFeed all about what you said here.
- Robert Scoble
Here's his points with my counter point: >He loves everything new on the web and often tells us how great it is. MY RESPONSE: I don't love everything new on the Web. I have a folder of more than 10,000 emails from PR people in the past two years. Most of which I've never talked about anywhere. Why? Because they don't deserve getting passed onto you. I read a lot of blogs, follow a lot of conversations, and try things after the earliest of early adopters try things out. I wasn't the first to use FriendFeed..
- Robert Scoble
>>Maybe FriendFeed (but I think that lasts another three months for Scoble, tops). RESPONSE: Rob, tonight, guaranteed I'll never comment on his blog ever again and will always respond here on FriendFeed. That will last a lot longer than three months.
- Robert Scoble
>>And like any other "Sales Pitch" - people need to know how it will help them. RESPONSE: Absolutely true. Our new show, called WorkFast.TV, will be VERY FOCUSED on productivity and helping people get more work done. Tools that don't reach that bar will be discarded and won't make the show to waste your time. We'll have lots of experts on to make sure that the best stuff gets on, and also that only stuff that actually helps people gets on.
- Robert Scoble
The topic of comment deletion and control of where conversations can happen on FriendFeed or on original blogs (which this post started) is being discussed here: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Robert Scoble
Odd that its not breaking on TV. Lots of coverage of Tim Russerts passing at the moment. Fox News had a two second blurb about the earthquake. Thats where I first heard it.
- Greg
from twhirl
The Epicenter was in Iwate-Ken. 6 on the ground there which is strong. Felt quite strongly here in Yokosuka, south of Tokyo but nothing too out of the ordinary. The TV stations have, as usual, broken regular coverage to give updates about perceived magnitude in the surrounding areas and pictures from cameras around the area. No damage or injuries are reported yet.
- Stuart Woodward
2 minutes after you posted "seeing a ton of Tweets about earthquake in Japan", Twitter died!
- Brian Henderson
Brian: ahh, that explains why fewer messages are coming through IM right now. It still seems somewhat up.
- Robert Scoble
Japanese TV is talking to people at the local government office near the epicenter and there are no reports of any injuries though a water pipe has broken.. several aftershocks have been felt. TV is showing live pictures from a helicopter and it is a very rural area, no signs of damage at all.
- Stuart Woodward
There more earthquakes in Japan than days of a week. Unless it is big like Kobe, do not report it.
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
The TV coverage is now showing a few rural roads blocked by landslides. A few Isolated injuries are reported, traffic accidents, broken legs due to falls, people cut by glass. etc.
- Stuart Woodward
It is fascinating to see the internet micro-blogger at work. Faster than a speeding bulletin.
- Mindy Koch
I can see it monetizing its product in much the same way other video services are monetizing their products: either interstitial advertising or overlay advertising.
- Mark Trapp
Cannot wait for Qik live on iPhone! Been waiting for a while. Didn't know if it would show up or not without a native Apple-made video function.
- Andrew Dobrow
if i could just get invited to qik i would love it, looks awesome! btw, will they have a native app for iphone software 2.0 or do we *have* to jailbreak?
- Ivan Stegic
I don't have an iPhone... too luxurious for the 3rd world.
- directeur
Not worth jailbreaking my iPhone for... Maybe when they have an SDK app
- Bwana ☠
Is the Nokia camera better than the iPhone?
- Aaron Myers
That just might be the tipping point for me if I can run Qik and Flixwagon on an iPhone. I've already been promised one for Father' Day!
- Larry Kless
I hope they will release their iphone app to general public very soon!
- Leon Ho
this will be awesome, at last a good reason to join Qiiiiik! ^^
- Dan H. Racek
i want to see your qikroll...and please,please don't have it be repeated rick astley videos...
- George Lee
from twhirl
Huh? Though it didin't do video ( err, at least the software doesn't)?
- Roberto Bonini
Its logical to assume so if its only avaliable as a hack. If Qik can SDK their app, thats the last of my hassles with the iPhone 3G gone.
- Roberto Bonini
Friendfeed could benefit from a profile description, I want to know more about people, sometimes it's hard to tell from their shared items. Do you AGREE or DISAGREE?
At first blush, I would disagree. What could be more "profile-ish" than dozens of blog posts, tweets, photos, StumbledUpon items and more? I guess there's no downside to including it, but part of the beauty of FriendFeed is its simplicity -- and I'd hate to see that ruined.
- Mike Keliher
I was thinking that just a moment ago when someone new subscribed to me...it's hard to figure out who they are, and why they've found you...
- Trent Olson
Amen - told the same to Paul else its always the usual suspects
- Mrinal Desai
from twhirl
One alternative would be to have the opportunity to import profile data from somewhere...say openID or something. I do think ff needs access to profiles, but I don't think I need yet another place to create a profile.
- Trent Olson
Fine import in, that's fine! FYI not everyone is going to be a twitter user.
- Jeremiah Owyang
I agree, but make it smart! Import data if possible. Data Portability is the way to go :-)
- Magnus Jonsson
from Alert Thingy
I've been thinking this as well. Why not have more detailed optional info, a link to their profile could easily be ignored by those craving simplicity.
- Leif Hansen
Ok, so if we want to import profiles from somewhere, what options would we like?
- Trent Olson
what about having something similar to retaggr, where your avatar allows to supplement a lot of info about you, without having to peruse lots of pages?
- Kara Carrell
from twhirl
Definitely agree-not enough to see their feed icons and avatar
- Mark Forman
from twhirl
yes, importing is the way to do it! Have you thought about how much effort would be required to update ALL of your profile(s) if you moved, for example?
- Thomas Ho
from fftogo
of course some basic profile would be good but not another duplicate profile, rather an integration with a profile we could chose would be best, so a blog about page, linkedin or fb profile or even the basic ones of twitter or seesmic would be good - having to many diverse profile locations is such a waste in today's easily integrated online world
- mike "glemak" dunn
sorry one more point - this is not about authentication but rather information right, so a good transparent about page or the public linkedin profile is what I've been looking at and sometimes flickr because I find you can get a sense of someone by the photos they publish - but maybe that's just me ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Agree wholeheartedly that there is a need for profile info. If it's done by leveraging information from an existing source, the user needs to have the ability to specify the source, in order to control the messaging.
- Andrei M. Marinescu
from twhirl
Agree. Many things I'm inclined to share with the world don't necessary define me. Sometimes I share 'cause I believe others will benefit from something more than I would. So yeah, a proper place to better define myself would be nice.
- Jim Stanger
Agree. Because there are people behind names like mine.
- Dominic Jones
how about a room called 'about me?' that way you can opt in or not
- sergiooo
AGREE Was just thinking the same thing this morning.
- Marc Vermut
from twhirl
If you hover with your mouse over someone's name, the profile pop-up gives a short profile plus an indication of whether that person has subscribed to you, rather like Twitter Karma but hundred times better ;)
- Mario Olckers
Yes, a short profile would be of great help. kamla
- kamla bhatt
mario - true but its not a profile, its the list of aggregated sites, so from there you can go look at one of the about pages of a blog or a true profile page like linkedin
- mike "glemak" dunn
it would definitely be helpful to know a little more about people, but short profile
- Carolina Velis
Agreed. Was thinking that a couple weeks ago. I tend to click on people's Twitter or blog link to find the "about" info.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Totally. If you go to twitter and see my reference to "nude Oprah" you would then be completely disappointed when you arrive at my blog http://tinyurl.com/582z7o I vote for a profile on FF.
- Dan Covington
DISAGREE . They should keep it simple and avoid feature-creep.
- john conroy
I don't know. I tend to disagree. I want to get to know someone by what they feed, by how they comment, not by what they say in a profile. Not everyone can express themselves that way, but you can by what you feed, like and comment IMO.
- AJ Kohn
Jeez, Jeremiah. You've got access to my photos, videos, two blogs, and all the feeds I read.
- Christopher Harley
For now, you can always mouse over someone's name and see where it takes you. It's a good practice anyway because you can subscribe to their feed if you wish
- Charlie Anzman
AGREE. Going over to the ever-slow twitter just for the bio is, err, slow.
- Yuvi
Agree - I tend to hover over their blog button to see what the name of it is
- Sarah Perez
Agree. Although Most Profiles don't really convey much directly, you can infer a lot from what the person is trying to paint.
- Parth Awasthi
from twhirl
Completely disagree. As someone said already, your stream is your profile.
- Neil Saunders
DISAGREE. A think max you could you a profile sentence a la twitter, but it's almost more fun to infer/learn facts about the person from what they like, blog about, read and listen to.
- Cat Laine
Just for fun, I'd like to remind people that this is called FRIENDFeed. If you don't know who someone is, and you're not intrigued by what they've shared here, what would a little bio do to change that?
- Mike Keliher
I would have to say that FF is more of an aggregator with some bells & whistles. Some of the others services (blogs or facebook for example ) tend to be the places I'd expect to go for more info. Maybe the ability to add a link to the profile you wan to people to see?
- Joel Gray
agree...but, jsut need a link to a profile from linkedin, facebook, myspace, etc. all that i need to know is who is that person. w/o a blog (most have them though), it's hard to figure out from the screen name.
- don loeb
Agreed... I sometimes wonder why this person wants to follow me.
- Mike Wills
Not really. After all, FriendFeed links to many of the places where I have profiles - including a direct link to my LinkedIn profile.
- Simon Bisson
from Alert Thingy
FF is elegant enough as it is. I think that FF, as said above links to more that one place where my profile is stored. Which reminds me, it needs updating. Any tips??
- Roberto Bonini
AGREE! I've asked the FF team for this specific feature. Hope they're listening. :)
- Don MacAskill
I like the basic simplicity of it. If you want to know more about them, go visit the blog page they linked.
- TranceMist
It would actually be kind of cool if FF kept track on the things you share and comment on and then build a profile from it. It could be just as much about self discovery! How exciting!
- Geoff Schultz
I like either reading in the Twitter bio or an excerpt from an About page from blog. Also, title and company from LinkedIn could be read. That alone might suffice.
- Adam Darowski
Agree. For those who want to use it, a FriendFeed profile saves the trouble of digging through countless posts, tweets, etc. And if you don't want to use it, you don't have to use it.
- Ontario Emperor
Would be nice if they could instead pull in your profiles on all your feeds and allow your to tab thru them
- Robert O'Callaghan
Disagree. Not knowing who everyone is here on FF keeps it more objective keeps some from being influenced on how they may post. It gives newcomers a chance to be noticed without be 'overpowered' by the 'well-known' names which is very good. This is one of the reasons (Late adopter?? :) that I just re-opened my Linked-In account.
- Charlie Anzman
Who thinks that gas prices in the US will be just about the same as gas prices in Europe (general statement) in about 2 to 4 years and all of our large vehicles will be replaced by the much smaller, more fuel efficient cars that most of the world owns/uses?
Gas prices in Europe actually go up higher too when they go up here. If you mean will our gas taxes increase to match Europe's, I doubt it.
- Morton Fox
that's a good point - I read that the tax rate there was 70% and in the US it was around 11%
- acedanger
If I am not mistaken they also use a ton more diesel autos and unlike here their diesel fuel is less expensive rather than more expensive than regular fuel.
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
our purchasing power makes this unlikely. the US buys significantly more fuel than any European nation. this plus trade incentives makes it likely that the US can keep prices down relative to Europe...
- Jeremy Toeman
I'm actually looking forward to car companies starting to build smaller, more efficient cars. I laugh every day at the herds of late-eighties Caprices, Monte Carlos and Town Cars with 20+inch rims I see around town. I noticed that the neighborhoods with these crazy cars have the highest gas prices. My big concern is that higher gas prices may seem to disproportionately affect lower-income people.
- ha3rvey (doesn't dance)
Diesel is more expensive than petrol in Europe, but you get more mpg so it's cheaper in the long run.
- Chris Nixon
It would be so great if the US would raise gas taxes and use the money for public transportation alternatives. The idea is also political suicide in the US and not at all likely to happen.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Its all tax here in the UK on gas (Petrol)... We are suffering even with small cars.
- Robert O'Callaghan
$11.53 a gallon at the moment in London
- Phill Price
The best thing about FriendFeed, besides that it's so much fun, is that it forces Facebook, Twitter, Flickr, etc. to make their services better. Twitter should have added hide a long time ago. Flickr should have shown you more than the last 5 contacts photos. Competition is a beautiful thing.
- Thomas Hawk
@Scoble So true. @Thomas Twitter needs to figure out how to scale before they add any new features.
- Jon Gosier
Yes competition - but more so: open communication - is truly a wonderful thing. Developments here at FF and twitter with respective apps like twhirl, AlertThingy etc. just go to show how quickly last years fad can become extinct (facebook?). Of course it would be even better to find fb add something truly novel.
- Alex von Halem
Early adopters may have moved on but the herd continues to graze like cattle on the hillside at Facebook, MySpace, etc. Eventually, they will learn about other forms of social media and move there, but by then there will be something new that the fleet-footed have mooooved onto while the slow stampede contiues ruminating.
- Phil Boiarski
I think it's quite possible that friendfeed has totally superior DNA. If I were to bet on facebook vs friendfeed now, I'd bet on friendfeed, even with facebook's huge headstart. Because, if Altavista would have done it's job right, Google would have never happened...
- Meryn Stol
It's like a great brainstorming session where people build on each other's ideas to get to the best solution. So I think it's less about FB doing a better job, then fresh blood building upon the ideas to make the better solution.
- Jane Quigley
from Alert Thingy
I think it's all an evolutionary process, the good thing is anyway that the idea spreads. Facebook could save some money though and implement open standards right now. They have to in the end anyway. FB won't be a working Passport or anything like that.
- Christian Scholz
from twhirl
I think the "secret" force behind friendfeed's succes will be the discussion of the tech bloggers here. It looks like unintended crowdsourcing. There are so many feature (and strategy) suggestions flying by. I think some people *want* friendfeed to win, and friendfeed provides a way to let those people help them. It's gonna be a powerful combination. The only question is if they can hire good programmers fast enough to keep up.
- Meryn Stol
Still get to the bottom of FriendFeed, but liking it more and more every time
- David Orban
Same here @David, @Meryn I like your perspective and also your terminology 'crowdsourcing' more like crowd surfing!
- Joe Dawson
For all who don't know, crowdsourcing is quite common jargon. It's what Starbucks (MyStarbucksIdea) and Dell (Ideastorm) are doing. This will beat the crap out of companies who don't.
- Meryn Stol
If IBM had done its job right Microsoft would never have happened. etc
- Stuart Woodward
great observation about crowdsourcing meryn, friendfeed seems very interested in hearing what people have to say
- Chris Jones
from twhirl
I don't use facebook anymore, I just pipe my friendfeed stream back into facebook
- Mark Ramsey
from twhirl
Im going to go on record here with a prediction for the future: Facebook is the greatest hyperbole the web has ever seen. I know it's worth a lot because so many investors put so much money into it, but Im expecting it to earn the title for "Most Inflated Value Ever".
- Andrew Baron
BTW, if George Bush had done his job right, everything would be worth at least twice as much.
- Andrew Baron
tut tut ...forgive n forget was what my mum always told me.
- viki saigal
I think Facebook and Friendfeed cater to different purposes. FF is great for sharing ideas while Facebook is good for maintaining profiles and contacts.
- Vishy
FriendFeed brings the "NewsFeed/Mini-Feed" out of Facebook. Most of my friends are not on Facebook, so this is great! I can give people links to interesting articles/photos/discussions on FriendFeed. Signing up for Facebook overwhelms many of my friends. It's too complicated to set up an account.
- Mitchell Tsai
Facebook was never useful for this. Way too heavy.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
this is exactly right. A while ago I had an idea similar to FriendFeed and Pete Cashmore told me, nah, Facebook is already doing it. As it turned out, Facebook had the chance but didn't capitalize on it.
- Stan Schroeder
from twhirl
i could be wrong, but I don't think Facebook is (a) losing users to FF, or (b) incapable of making this a reality for the masses
- Jeremy Toeman
FriendFeed is much more about content. Content and insight defines the "friends" I pick, whereas Facebook has a greater social context. I would not follow by nieces tweets in FriendFeed, but she would be on my list of "friends" in facebook.
- Ralph Poole
from twhirl
If FF added better mobile access and posting a nice real client, i'd have less and less reason to use Twitter. None at all actually
- Michael Gartenberg
Ralph, I agree wholehearted facebook is a different beast all together. A different beast that thankfully doesn't have a zombie game or super wall :)
- Doug Brooks
Not sure I agree about Facebook. It was built for college kids, not for people looking for useful information.
- Mike Reynolds
Of course Facebook and FriendFeed both serve different purposes. It's also entirely possible to use both. I think we'll have to observe what services suffer due to FriendFeed in order to see what competes with FriendFeed.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
not everyone is capable of flyfishing in the river of posts that is friendfeed. some folks just want to go out and get sushi with their friends, and then get back to their lives. facebook is for them.
- Chris Hollander
But that would break facebook's business model - collect the data we input and sell it back to us....
- Robert O'Callaghan
friendfeed is way better and way simpler than facebook. Andit's app, poke and zombie free. Damn brilliant if you ask me.
- DC Crowley
@Mike R "It was built for college kids, not for people looking for useful information." Funny!
- Jack Baty
Don't think so. FF is a different site built on a different premise. Its lighter and more agile while being very powerful. Facebook is way more profile centred while FF is more like Google Reader on Steroids.
- Roberto Bonini
@edythe: Nope, PC. :-) XP, not Vista. I might have to switch to Linux when my current computer goes away, just to avoid Vista. The Mac UI bugs me, honestly. I like my separate menu bars and top-right window controls. What about you?
- Voyagerfan5761
@Tanath: Now that your comment has hit my conscious processing... Why would you want something with FAIL in its name? :D
- Voyagerfan5761
Reality Distortion Field - just that whenever something that's from Apple fails, we just kinda "forget". Newton anybody? Apple TV?
- Yuvi
I initially said it for the humour value, but now that I think about it... it would be useful to have a record of your failures to motivate you and learn from...
- Tanath
@cyvros/fyc: *obligatory Windows ME/Apple Me Marketing Campaign metaphor joke.* "You belong to Apple now." Are you kidding me? Do Not Want.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
How long ago was the Newton, Yuvi? And it failed in terms of sales but not in terms of influence, like most Apple products. And Apple TV is yet unproven. I think it's premature to call it a failure. The Cube, yes. Anything else? ;-)
- Rick Powell
To be annoying and take this seriously, the Mac cube was a highly desired item but it failed.They'll miss the target again if and when they produce something we either don't want, can't use or can't afford.There are times when I think they could make an iBrick and it'd sell.
- Emsquared
Wasn't there a hubbub over one of the early updates turning iPhones that had been jailbroken into iBricks?
- Voyagerfan5761
@Rick Powell: The Reality Distortion field in effect :P You gave me proof!
- Yuvi
The Apple HiFi is one of the best things ever! We bought one and love it. The iSight got obsoleted. We had a couple that we weren't using anymore and were able to sell them on ebay for well over their MSRP. I'm not going to buy apple stock, just apple accessories that they won't be making a year from now. :-)
- Ginger Makela Riker
Anyone else notice how Jason and Ginger mentioned even more iProducts that I forgot about? :D
- Voyagerfan5761
Sucessful for apple or its users, I wonder how many jail broken IPhones are out there....
- Robert O'Callaghan
@Robert: I remember reading about speculation involving the number 250,000, but that was way back when... I don't have any idea about current figures.
- Voyagerfan5761
Anybody want to mention Vista? Oh wait, I will! Microsoft should have learned from Apple and cut Vista when it wasn't selling! :D
- Voyagerfan5761
Amen, I wonder how many have a business model which is to get bums on seats just to sell to Google/Microsoft or News Media
- Robert O'Callaghan
This is why I'm so annoyed by those “flip that house” shows on TV — they teach people how to make houses *look* good without actually *being* good.
- Amit Patel