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The Jobless Rate for People Like You - Interactive Graphic - NYTimes.com - http://www.nytimes.com/interac...
Jérôme Flipo, Emily Miller, Carl Haynes and 12 other people liked this
Brian Solis at Bub.blicio.us: Introducing the FriendFeed Team - http://bub.blicio.us/1111126...
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Tudor Bosman, Lysender, ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0, and 148 other people liked this
Brian, as always, takes great pictures, even with questionable subjects. The pictures are from tonight's open house.
- Louis Gray
from Bookmarklet
Great pic Louis and tell them I love them all, best product on the web right now
- Thomas Power
Great photo!
- Bret Taylor
Left to right, as if you didn't know already: Dan Hsiao, Casey Muller, Ana Yang, Jim Norris, Tudor Bosman, Bret Taylor, Paul Buchheit (with Camilla), Sanjeev Singh, Kevin Fox.
- Tudor Bosman
yes; awesome photo!
- Tudor Bosman
(Not pictured: Ben Golub, Gary Burd and Ross Miller)
- Louis Gray
Some of our Turkish friends are also there http://ff.im/3mt6T.. Thanks for the pictures
- Murat Buyurgan
Great Photo :)
- Nimaa
You didn't tell me there was a FriendFeed party this week or I would have come out :-)
- Jesse Stay
Tudor SMASH!
- dario
Jesse: I haven't been able to make a friendfeed party for a while. We need a calendar! Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
اینا هم حلقه دارن. رونوشت به مازیار و مهران اینا
- Aly
Rock on, Kevin!
- Josh Haley
Great PPs!!加油，Friendfeed！:)))
- K.D.
That's why I love today's web : you can talk with the people that build the next web, and see those who build your current web. Congrats guys!
- Zackatoustra
FriendFeed Team, I love you !!!! Thanks to you all, I'm very happy everyday!!!
- Renchin(Reina)Wang
So that was the TGIFF ("Thank Goodness It's FriendFeed") party? Perhaps slightly off-topic, but if Camiila hasn't been betrothed yet, have I got a grandson for her ;-))
- ianf ⌘
TGIFF was excellent. Great event and great people.Thanks for the invite and hospitality.
- AJ Kohn
Louis, thank you and thank you to the FriendFeed team for making a killer product and hosting a great open house!
- Brian Solis
I think I spotted Hutch (http://friendfeed.com/bhc3) in an uncaptioned photo wearing a white "San Francisco Classic" shirt: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Yes, Daniel. That is Hutch.
- Louis Gray
Fun party, great food, great hospitality.
- Anne Bouey
Anne - great finally meeting you yesterday.
- Hutch Carpenter
great photo, good to see the whole team together!
- Jeroen De Miranda
oooh i am totally wishing i was there! Robert is right, we need a calendar! :)
- Susan Beebe
Hutch: Thanks. I enjoyed chatting with you, too.
- Anne Bouey
what's with the guitar? lol
- Stuart Evans
(bump) Ana and Casey are now married. Here's a pic of them on the left, between Ross and Jim. Congratulations to Ana and Casey! (per http://friendfeed.com/jessica...)
- Louis Gray
علی حجوانی تو روحت، ای واسه چه موقعیه؟ :)))
- Mehran
:))))))))) مال بعد از عیده. اواخر فروردین فک کنم
- Aly
:)))
- Mehran
Amazing Software Turns Cheap Webcam Into Instant 3D Scanner - http://www.wired.com/gadgetl...
Private Sanjeev, Simon, Rob Shillingsburg and 2 other people liked this
manual deployment is like making out with dementors, sucks the power out of you.
Rob Shillingsburg liked this
No Matter How Hard You Try, It Is Impossible To Fax A Cat #shareit
Faraz Mullick, Olive Fee, anne__bonney and 717 other people liked this
LOL!
- Kol Tregaskes
That poor cat looks so confused.
- Kendra <3 Three Lions
but it's so warm on top of the scanner!
- DJF
Time for a cat scan!
- Jemm
Iz I the right way up for printing?
- Vicky
This is clearly not my cat. If this was my cat he's have one arm shoved down into the printer trying to tear up all the internal whirling bits with his bare claws.
- Soup
LOL, Soup!
- Kol Tregaskes
that is one adorable kitten!
- Anna Lynn M.
<3
- Furkan Tunalı
Too Funny! Reminds me of the San Mateo Cat Shelter where one of the cats loves to sleep on top of the laster printer where the paper comes out...
- Greg Lato
Kitty!!!!
- Janice
keep trying!
- Morgan Haley
FEED ME A CAT
- teh Dork Knight aka Kenny
Kol, it is NOT impossible. And that's all I'm saying.
- Steven Perez
Push harder
- Josh Haley
LOL@Jemm
- AJ Batac
آخی
- یک بابک
Hehe, Steven. I won't ask. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Gosh, just noticed this post has nearly 150 likes! :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
1 closer....hilarious!
- Jeffrey Marsh
There we go 150 likes. :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
I'm in ur faxx masheen -- sendin de faxxez....
- Stephanie Segel
I think you mean a LIVE cat…
- Glen Mistletoe
thanks, i needed a laugh
- chaz2b
FAXCAT IS NOT AMUSED
- Karl Knechtel
iz dat some copycat?
- bora "head" basman
LOL, now nearly 200 likes! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Thats no fax machine, thats my new patented kitty juicer!
- Threepwood
Just one more like... please. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
it's over two huuunddreeeed
- bora "head" basman
MOAR!
- Pat Hawks
I need 9 copies please !
- Faraz Mullick
A cute cat :)
- Mohammad Abdurraafay
Haha, Faráz.
- Kol Tregaskes
Next target, 250 likes. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
اخي...گناهي
- noonii
Friendfeed loev faxcat :o
- Karl Knechtel
;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Pussy by fax. What will they think of next?
- Mattb4rd
X))
- Nia
OMGosh, next up is the 300 likes mark. Anyone care to join in? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Honestly, i'm not generally a fan of the Cat memes... But that is classic.
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
You know this is the 7th most liked entry on FriendFeed ever: http://beta.friendfeed.com/search... !!!
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol, this thread is pure genius.
- Alex Scoble
But only almost 50 comments.. :)
- Simon Wicks
Simon, there's not much to comment regarding the picture :) But meta-comments are more than appropriate!
- Ivan Zuzak
Simon, yeah we need 1500+ comments now, who wants to start? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
there we go then for the 1500+!!
- Jaap Willem
1600+ to beat the FFundercats live chat thread. I think with this real time now on all threads we're going to see some truly epic comment numbers.
- Simon Wicks
Ivan, no the picture speaks for itself. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
OK, now it's the 4th: http://beta.friendfeed.com/search... - it's gonna take a huge effort to break the record of 452+ likes here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/imified...
- Kol Tregaskes
OK, now this is the 3rd most liked entry: http://beta.friendfeed.com/search... :-D Crazy!
- Kol Tregaskes
Too bad I am fresh out of likes of I would do it again.
- JSNFLMNG
¡Excelente!
- Marcos Vicente
I'm using this photo in the latest chapter of can haz murder
- anna sauce
Hehe, Anna. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
One more for 350 likes, LOL. This is mental! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Come on, 350 cats for a cat getting crushed? You guys are mean. :-P
- Richard A.
I'd like again if I could :-)
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
bump
- Simon Wicks
Richard, LOL!
- Kol Tregaskes
Awesomely funny!
- Martha
Next target: 400 likes? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
theres one more for you Kol
- Toby Graham
Toby, you're very kind. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Cute *_*
- Sybelle
Hehe.
- Kol Tregaskes
Just 6 more likes for the 400 then I'll leave you alone. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
can you spare a cat 6 likes?
- JSNFLMNG
sweet
- Eric Hofmann
Haha, Jason, wow 406 likes, madness! :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
Madness? THIS. IS. FAX CAT.
- Mike Nayyar
Well 452 likes is the record, hmm I think that is pushing it. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Awesome.
- Alex Scoble
this is underfaksink at its worzt
- Petr Buben
Petr, I have no idea what you mean, but thank you. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
@Kol .. :] that, partially, might have been the purpose.... I don't know it exactly either. :] .. was I reflecting on a cat under the fax, and that it is hard to fax that way ... /?:] ... "underfaxing at its worst" ..
- Petr Buben
Ah, OK, Petr. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
there ya have me ! :] .... see, to be honest with you, i saw this pic couple days ago, but i let it go, without posting it ..... what does that make me? :]
- Petr Buben
:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
OMGosh, just 23 more likes to beat this: http://beta.friendfeed.com/imified... ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
433 Like ! Wow !
- Like
Freemor, yes very cute! :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
cute~
- Chan Pen
that's why is called a cat scan and not a cat fax.
- Phil Maxwell
oh ... a scan. not fax?! .... it looked to me like she was faxink
- Petr Buben
Just 5 more likes needed. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Try rolling the cat through a press first. Flat cats fit into the fax easier.
- Bob Blunk
Fax, Petr. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
even a flat cat... faxes just can't handle the hair. You'd have to shave the cat first, else the hair will burn and stick to the drum... a mess! (I am extrapolating from transparencies, mind, i don't have access to a cat to test)
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Hehe, Joelle. This is now tied for the 'likes' top stop. One more then, hehe. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Ok, over the top now.
- Greg Guitarbuster
Hehe, Greg. Blimey! Erm, is that not far from 500 likes now? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Bloody marvelous, Kol. Wish I could like it again... too cute (and help u to 500 likes).
- Roberto Bonini
I couldn't believe it when I logged on from the morning over posting it and saw it was at something 200 likes! You all have a strange fetish with cats and fax machines, hehe. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Am I the only one who saw this and their first thought was - My goodness did someone break that cats neck? It still freaks me out a little
- Steve C
Steve, it does look a little out of place, but cats are pretty bendy. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
They fax much better if you flatten them first. What?
- Kevin Pedraja
LOL, Kevin.
- Kol Tregaskes
i can also imagine the cat going there cause it is snug and warm
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Ey, it would be a tad warm on there, especially after a long working day. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Caption which needs to be said aloud: Uh Ohz, I'm totally FAXED!
- sofarsoShawn
Hehe, Shawn. 10 more for the big 5-0-0. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Countdown! 8 more now!
- Mike Nayyar
bump for more likes
- Josh Haley
bump
- Roberto Bonini
One more!! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I took mine away, too much pressure.
- Steve C
Wow, there we go, 500 likes!! Thank you all!! :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
I think Fax Kitty deserves a prize for that.
- Kendra <3 Three Lions
меня, признаться, подзаебал этот кот
- Парадокс Смейла
пиздец как!
- getalifejerk
Kendra, absolutely. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
So we can put this post to rest now. :-) 505 likes final count, wow! :-D Good night all!
- Kol Tregaskes
My like is the last one so far :) - 509 afaik
- getalifejerk
did 3 people really un-like this? now at 506. wtf (edit: uh, oh, yeah, me and 2 + 506 others makes 509. dammit, jim, i'm an artist, not a mathematician)
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
wish I could double like!
- metalerik
Wish I could just like it at all. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
This is also still on the Best of page. That must be the longest running best of post? :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
But it's a cat being crushed...
- Richard A.
برای چی این همه لایک خورده؟؟؟؟؟
- H.M.Nasrabadi
Hehe, Richard.
- Kol Tregaskes
copy cat
- gibilix
518 like! most liked post?
- Lu Tao
ay yerim yaa çok tatlı kedicikk :))
- Arzu
Lu, yeah but a long way now. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
*bump*
- Andre
Blew past 500 likes - LIKE!!!!!
- Roberto Bonini
OMGosh, nearly heading to 550!!
- Kol Tregaskes
So we know how many people use this site.
- Richard A.
So that's what Paws Printing means.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Richard, we getting there. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Jack, hehe.
- Kol Tregaskes
this thread is making history.
- vijay
Indeed .. this is a most epic thread
- Mattb4rd
Hehe. 9 more for 550!
- Kol Tregaskes
8...
- sofarsoShawn
7. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Actually only 5...cuz "You, Earl E Morningwood, yasin ghasemi and... 542 liked this"
- sofarsoShawn
Who wants to bet how many likes this thead is going to get???
- Roberto Bonini
Gosh, no idea.
- Kol Tregaskes
take some bets then come back in a year to check?
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
:)
- SokooteDel
Holy smokes .. this pussy cat is approaching 600 likes!
- Mattb4rd
552 now, so there are some unlikes going on, hehe, oh well. Still an amazing amount of likes. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
560!
- sofarsoShawn
And back down to 559. Hehe.
- Kol Tregaskes
And how could anyone not love kitties after seeing this photo?
- Susan Beebe
I liked it without reading this discussion - evidentially we have a lot of people who like the idea of faxing a cat!
- Rich
Rich, yes, worrying, hehe. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
564!
- sofarsoShawn
I think we'll have to recruit more ffeeps before this record will ever be broken
- JSNFLMNG
maybe a good way to clone cats :)
- Roberto
Hehe, Roberto.
- Kol Tregaskes
This surely couldn't hit 600 likes, could it!?
- Kol Tregaskes
It could! Keep bumping it up!
- imabonehead
It will :)
- Roberto Bonini
My next cat post: http://beta.friendfeed.com/the-fun...
- Kol Tregaskes
Wow, not even 600 Likes? Feh. ;-)
- j1m
No yet. Close though. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Stuck on 581.
- Kol Tregaskes
Most liked FF post ever?
- Kristian Salonen
One of the best funny cat pictures I've seen! :-)
- John Collis
Kristian, it appears to be. Hehe, John.
- Kol Tregaskes
ای بابا این پیشول بی خیال نمی شود، بابا پاشو برو دنبال یه بازی دیگه ، از هفته پیش تا حالا تو فکس ولو شدی حوصله ات سر نرفته، پاشو اقلا بپر رو کیبوردی چیزی
- Maryaminaa
11 more to 600. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
داداش كوتاه بيا، مي خواي ركورد بزني!؟
- Exir
هستم بره این کامنتتو ترجمه کنه اکسیر ! :))) داره از فضولی میمیره الان ! :D
- Shayan
Hehe, 6 more likes. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Need 1 more like, by my calculation, to get to 600
- Josh Haley
Another unlike then, back down to 598. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
it's 598+3, at the moment ;-)
- Andre
There we go, 601!! Wow, can't believe it. :-D Thanks everyone!!
- Kol Tregaskes
3 people un liked :(
- Roberto Bonini
I think there have been made unlikes over the last week, oh well.
- Kol Tregaskes
too many likes, the kitteh is burning up..stop the madness...;)
- JSNFLMNG
Haha, Jason.
- Kol Tregaskes
614!!!!!
- sofarsoShawn
Whoa! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
man! ..Kol is gaining ... and I saw that pic one day before Kol posted it :X ..and i let it go! :[)]
- Petr Buben
Petr, who's he?
- Kol Tregaskes
omg, this post passed 600 likes!
- imabonehead
@Kol ..well the man .. Mr Photographer .. ok .. let me go there ..
- Petr Buben
I see. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
631 likes, amazing stuff. :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
Day 11 and this thing's still going!
- Phil Maxwell
Why fax yourself when you can get famous via FriendFeed? :-)
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
whereas a cat *scan* is totally feasible
- Megan Craig
Kol, congratulations, you won the Friendfeed Award for the most likes entry!
- Jérôme Flipo
Kol is this from your rival: Squashy Cat Photography?
- sofarsoShawn
Haha, Shawn. Have you really bumped this one again? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
LOL I was actually looking at best of month and I thought I'm going to be clever :-)
- sofarsoShawn
this makes me laugh every darn time I see it
- Stephanie_Thankful
Who is this NShawnFW? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
kitties do like to find new spots to nap :)
- Maryam
LOL, now over 650 likes.
- Kol Tregaskes
این هنوز در نیومده از لای این دستگاه؟
- Maryaminaa
Wow. this is good..... pleased, Kol?
- Roberto Bonini
Pleased? About the number of likes? I'm happy regardless. :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
So do we think it will go to 700 likes? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
it will
- Seltoon
what do you mean by "it" ? say "he" or "she". :)
- Maryaminaa
Haha, I was referring to the entry. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
lol
- Maryaminaa
I see someone already posted 'Copy Cat' !! LOL Great picture
- Kevin J Hatton
:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
O HAI! I IZ WATIN FR COOPONZ, KTHXBYE.
- Kris Roley
Neksnapper 3000 Kitten Eradicator - Kills Kittehs Dead
- Mattb4rd
Hehe.
- Kol Tregaskes
10 more likes for 700! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
7 more by my count!
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
Oops, yes you're right, Bec. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Isn't it illegal to fax a pussy?
- aerobroken
It's really only social convention which regards it as inappropriate, same with Xeroxing it, like one does with their b__tocks. Wait are we still talking about cats cats here or...
- sofarsoShawn
OMGosh 700+ likes now!! LOL. Thank you all 702 of you. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Wow, not so bad huh? \u)
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
try harder! ; ))
- Didier Lahely
Before faxing it, you have to flatten it out a bit. You're going at it all wrong! :-)
- Rick Cogley
Caturday is tommorow ... Fax Cat on Saturday ..
- johnpiercy
Must try this at home!
- Anthony K. Valley ©
Bumping some old great posts. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Now THAT is a classic!
- Allan Besselink
you have to flatten it first!!! ;)
- Neda S.
This is very good humor!
- TrafficBug
Hey, we've hit the 700-like mark. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
just a couple thousand to go
- JSNFLMNG
LOL
- Smeerch
__awesome__
- Matteo Scotuzzi
and it got resurrected once again!
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I managed to do it once, but I don't think I'm going to do it again. The results were a little fuzzy.
- Seth Greenblatt
The craziest fish jaws ever (video) : A Blog Around The Clock - http://scienceblogs.com/clock...
Mickey Kosloff, Joel Webber, Rob Shillingsburg and 2 other people liked this
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Pavel Kaplin, Simon, Aaron D'Souza and 5 other people liked this
I really like this one -- only a minute long. This might be a sign that I've worked at Google too long, but I have to admit this gave me goosebumps. =)
- Tom Stocky
Me too. Maybe it's just my personal experience (and the fact that I just ended up in the crib phase of this story about a year ago).
- Joel Webber
Inspiring :-)
- Pavel Kaplin
Taxi advertising performed an illegal operation.
ana, Joel Webber and Rob Shillingsburg liked this
I've been collecting examples of stuff like this, e.g. gas station screens showing crashed computers. Is there a common blog for it?
- Matt Cutts
The Daily WTF's "Error'd" section has many examples of these sorts of things. (http://thedailywtf.com/Series...)
- Laurence Gonsalves
California Cities in 3D - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Amit Patel and Rob Shillingsburg liked this
Chrome OS will help kill Silverlight and other non-open tech, preventing msft and others from recapturing the web. (though I expect that it will support Flash by necessity)
ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,, Charles Frith, Vladimir Yashnikov and 149 other people liked this
Good point.
- Robert Scoble
I hope it doesn't. After all we need good media delivery platforms.
- Swaroop
Including GNASH - the open source alternative - would solve that problem
- Bogdan Costea
yeah, nobody really needs flash. kill it.
- Zio Bonino
Chrome OS might be a compelling case for SVG/<canvas> + <audio> tag replacements for flash. Dunno what SVG's perf is like on WebKit tho.
- Matt Mastracci
Microsoft will port it. It's all about codecs & DRM. Ogg Theora isn't all that great.
- Rodfather
Is that Steve Jobs disguised as Zio ?
- Swaroop
@Swaroop Yes, we do. Like HTML5.
- Benjamin Dobson
@Swaroop eh eh, I've got flash disabled on all my systems :)
- Zio Bonino
@Benjamin I'd prefer HTML web apps over native apps anyday. But it'll take time for it to mature
- Swaroop
Rodfather, I don't think that will be an option for msft :). If Chrome is built the way I would do it, there is no installation per-se -- everything runs in the browser and the config in stored in the cloud (and cached locally). The computer is a pure appliance.
- Paul Buchheit
@Zio You're the real Steve Jobs
- Swaroop
Microsoft moves much too slow to force new standards these days.
- Louis Gray
@Louis: IE8 flunking ACID test :)
- Swaroop
What about more standard codecs like h.264? That isn't open and is in hardware already.
- Rodfather
h.264 is established and must be in there, but it's not a platform like Silverlight is.
- Paul Buchheit
I know some of the guys behind silverlight. It is some great technology. Too bad it's from Microsoft and is closed.
- Joe Beda ()
from iPhone
A world with no Flash and Silverlight. I can't wait.
- Paul Grav
Yeah, it's too bad they didn't open-source it. This stuff with Mono is silly -- if you want to make a real standard you need to make the real implementation be open.
- Paul Buchheit
MS are about 10 years too late with Silverlight. And they'll most likely be dragged kicking and screaming into supporting HTML5.
- Paul Grav
Zio sez (hopefully humorously): "yeah, nobody really needs flash. kill it" -- have you ever watched a single YouTube video in your life? Like seventeen gazillion other people across the wired world. yeah, you're right, nobody needs Flash. ha!
- .LAG liked that
Remember Dave Clark in 1992, "We reject kings, presidents and voting. We believe in rough consensus and running code."
- Guy Vander Heyden
.LAG: most YouTube videos are playable without Flash now. My iPhone plays most of them and it doesn't have Flash. Certainly by the time the Google OS came out YouTube would be converted completely to non-Flash capability.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: The youtube flash application helps read the flv files on Youtube's servers and provides a UI (decoder too).
- Swaroop
Even Google admits they're not sure I'd bit for bit html5 video is less bandwitj consuming than flash. And flash isn't just media delivery, also interesting games and apps like tonepad, splicemusic.com's online sequencer, etc (I'm musically inclined, so most of my examples will be along that line) and please don't suggest we redo it all in java
- Ed F
from Nambu
Does this mean the next Silverlight release is codename Seppuku?
- Jay Cuthrell
Maybe we'll see commercials encoded in movies if everything is open.
- Rodfather
Flash is too established to kill off right now, so I'd be surprised if Chrome didn't include flash support. It will take many years to get rid of that thing. First they need to fix the standard browser to not be so broken (lack of video, multi-file upload, etc), then they need everyone to switch to the new html5 solutions.
- Paul Buchheit
Scoble ...that may be true, and YouTube plays on my Pre without Flash (yet)...but that doesn't mean that "nobody needs Flash." really? what would replace it?
- .LAG liked that
So Google's NaCl http://code.google.com/p... (now integrated within Chrome/Chromium) was just a temporary workaround, right?
- Jérôme Flipo
Use HTML 5 instead!
- Minh Bui
Is it just me or does Native Client (NaCl) remind you of the Microsoft Active X approach?
- Daniel Chow
But who prevents Google from taking over the net?
- Andreas
youtube videos play on iPhone/iPod Touch as they are higher res mp4 files NOT flv files. It was a big deal when Steve negotiated that deal with youtube.
- vijay
You have Moonlight to run Silverlight applications in Linux. Not perfect, but then an application made on Silverlight is "not perfect" by definition
- Marcos Marado
The point here is that Google has no motivation to include Silverlight on these machines, and installing software likely won't be an option (it's a web appliance), so it will be absent from a lot of netbooks, just as it is absent from iPhones. That cuts into market share, which is a bad thing for a platform that is trying to compete with more universal tech like Flash and HTML....
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- Paul Buchheit
@DanielChow: NaCl has very little overlap with ActiveX, apart from running native code. It runs in a provably safe way, and explicitly does *not* allow it to access arbitrary host APIs. But it can be quite useful when you need to run code that would be too slow in Javascript (even on v8): e.g., heavy encryption/decryption, possibly codecs, definitely game physics, and so forth.
- Joel Webber
There is a time and a place for Flash and Silverlight so I hope it will run it. There are simply some things you can do which aren't possible, or practical in html/css/javascript.
- Steve Temple
Paul: why wouldn't Chrome OS come with Moonlight? And if not, why wouldn't you be able to just install it? And third, why the hell would people want Moonlight for? I never installed it and not even once felt the need to!
- Marcos Marado
from fftogo
because of moonlight http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlig... the potential userbase of silverlight is greatly improved, agree that projects which don't consider compatibility are limiting their potential
- Mike Chelen
@mindboosternoori Ryanair site uses silverlight: http://www.ryanair.com/site... that's the only website I know that uses it - for this you would need moonlight :)
- Ihar Mahaniok
Flash is needed for the google os to be useful in education. Many education based websites are flash based.
- Willowdale
@Paul "Google is probably paying OEMs to ship with this OS, so instead of paying $x/machine to include windows XP, they will get paid $y/machine to include Chrome." - paying present tense, already? Isn't it enough for OEMs not to have to pay hefty licenses to Redmond, etc., while being able to ship with a free, stable OS+browser combo; they need to be paid to do that as well?
- ianf ⌘
I sure hope so. I think the wide array of JavaScript libraries have been killing Flash for years. Silverlight was never really a player. The only think keeping Flash afloat is video
- Scott Radcliff
I don't know what's under the hood of Silverlight (nobody knows), but Flash is basically a sprite engine controlled by Actionscript, which is basically an adapted version of Javascript anyway. It's nicely packaged though, and has an army of developers, so it won't go away that easily, at least not until there are Flash-to-Canvas/ HTML5 porting tools/ translators and the like.
- ianf ⌘
to follow that logic...photoshop is needed as well
- Chris Hofmann
somebody call me when http://playboyarchive.com is working in Chrome OS (it's currently implemented in Silverlight)
- Karim
If it gains any traction at all, MS will just make Silverlight version that will run on Google OS. Sure google could block it, but they haven't done so with the Chrome browser.
- Jeff Weber
Interesting. I doubt the Google OS will get that big anytime soon though.
- Scott Radcliff
from email
Silverlight doesn't have a chance now...I wonder what would Adobe Air do.
- Saad Kamal
not really, if google want to be open then they will need a plugin architecture for it and then MS could just port for it. I really don't see this troubling mainstream users any time soon.
- Darren Stuart
Though I agree with the view that MS monopoly may erode as alternative devices get adoption over PC/Notebook, and these devices will mostly run on open source OS, but it may take years to create a significant change in every day usage of normal users. In the end, OS choice is mostly done by manufacturers, and they would be happy to get paid by open source vendors for putting their OS on...
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- Kaan Bingol
People want media. Hulu, Netflix, Kindle, iTunes, etc. They need to address that or they are DOA.
- Hayes Haugen
Hayes, what makes you think it will lack media support?
- Paul Buchheit
I don't think it will lack licensed media support but what deals they are able to make will be crucial.
- Hayes Haugen
Hayes, i thought you were going to say that Netflix was using Silverlight. ;-)
- Karim
Yes, they are, what is their deal with MSFT? Can they do non Silverlight distribution?
- Hayes Haugen
i believe the Netflix non-Silverlight distribution is a format called "DVD" that works over the "Snail Mail" protocol. ;-) but clearly if Google is paying OEMs to install Chrome OS, they can pay Netflix to go back to Flash which Chrome OS will probably support "by necessity" ;-)
- Karim
How can Google make money from Chrome OS? Or does it want to make money from it except through advertisement? I still can not imagine that all software and service are free and sponsored by advertisements.
- Derek Wei
All Chrome OS questions are answered by today's Fake Steve Jobs ;)
- Hayes Haugen
Is there a need to make money? If more and more people eschew desktop offline applications in favor of online web based apps, it means more pageviews, more eyeballs, more advertising inventory, plus has the side effect of undermining a big competitor's cash cow.
- Ray Cromwell
That's the key, Google wants everything online. They figure the more people online, the stronger they become, and the more money they make. At least that what was said at the Chrome launch.
- Scott Radcliff
from email
I'm amused that the "backwards compatibility" argument against alternative operating systems has slowly turned into "does it support flash", and when you unpack that it really means "does it play YouTube". I suspect Google will make sure ChromeOS cna play YouTube and they don't need Flash to make sure of it.
- Nick Lothian
Is it possible that Microsoft will write Office for the Web using Volta instead of Silverlight? Could be a showcase announcement for their attack on GWT
- Ray Cromwell
I think Microsoft is going to focus less on the front-end of the web and more on the back-end, middle tier and database sides. Azure is a big deal that consumers aren't talking about because it's not flashy but will be pretty important to developers (and especially enterprise-level applications) when it's finally ready because everything becomes an interface to the cloud. Microsoft is...
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- Lindsay
Azure looks really cool. Hint: so did Blackbird.
- Michael R. Bernstein
lol blackbird (scary redmond flashback) - a good example of azure platform utilization can be seen via jon udell's elmcity project - http://blog.jonudell.net/elmcity...
- mike "glemak" dunn
Nosense, I want silverlight, flash, html and any other technology in my desktop & mobile phone. Silverlight? yes, there you can develop under Python, Ruby et al, instead of the outdated javascript.
- Sebastian Wain
It looks like with Native Client, you should be able to write your Chrome OS app in any language you feel like. So far, they have some examples in C/C++, but one of the things they ported is a Lua interpreter. If Adobe isn't going to invest heavily in fixing the show-stopping bugs on non-Windows versions of Flash, it's inevitably going to die, and there's really nothing either Google or Apple can do even if they wanted to support Flash better.
- Victor Ganata
...ActionScript3 is ECMASCript-compliant. I know nothing about standards bodies, and shii like that, but what if Adobe dropped ActionScript and said, "You can now use pure Javascript to build Flash applications..." It wouldn't be a big leap. I'm pretty sure that would shut-up all the Flash haters. And to the folks who say Flash is hanging around just because of video...well, video is...
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Actionscript is just the glue for the more advanced what-iffy graphic functionality of Flash. They can not drop it for Javascript, because it contains additional graphic primitives that JS lacks. But it's not the JS-or-Actionscript that makes it a target for hate, it's other things. Nobody denies that it's pretty capable, but it is also badly written, eats up memory like no other, makes...
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- ianf ⌘
I like this post!
- Mohammad Abdurraafay
from iPhone
I honestly don't know how necessary Flash is. Apple seems to be doing fine without supporting it. But certainly Gnash and Swfdec should be implementable on Chrome OS. The fact is that without Adobe's full support on a given platform, Flash apps will always be second class citizens on alternate platforms, and so far, there's no indication that Adobe is interested in fully supporting any platform other than Windows.
- Victor Ganata
ianf ...you bring up great points about Flash's detriments, as does Victor, but until there's a better way to bring video to the Web, I can't see it disappearing. Adobe seems to keep improving the Flash VM, hopefully they'll address those CPU-hogging issues and make a more efficent runtime. Yeah, I hate hearing the fans kick-in when visiting a Flash-heavy site too. <sigh>
- .LAG liked that
alternative to flash video such as ... html5 :) (requires ff3.5) http://www.dailymotion.com/openvid...
- Mike Chelen
from IM
Ed, only??? thats one of the main reasons cited for the continued requirement of flash on popular sites like youtube
- Mike Chelen
Ed, those other uses can be accomplished through pure Javascript, video was the last remaining stumbling block
- Mike Chelen
Still waiting on non-Flash recreations of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch... or this: http://www.youtube.com/watch... Well aware of how someone mentioned higher up how you can combine javascript and svg to get nifty flash-like effects. I want apps like that though ^ Only real alternatives I've seen are Java-based ones, and those runs even slower than Flash.
- Ed F
Pardon me, but the OP is a ridiculous conclusion. For that to be the case, Chrome OS would have to kill Windows, OS X, etc altogether. Paul, I understand your viewpoint as being an ex-Google person, but that's just NOT going to happen. Right now the video specification from HTML5 has been dropped because of an impasse, meaning that we may be transitioning from 1 closed-source boss - Flash - to another - H264. Good luck.
- LANjackal
But why do these type of apps have to be written in Flash at all? You can easily do the same thing in C, C++, ObjC, Python, Ruby, etc., with the Native Client API that they're building for Chrome. http://code.google.com/p...
- Victor Ganata
I'm just saying, it's not like Flash is the end-all/be-all. As Apple well demonstrates, some people can live quite well without it.
- Victor Ganata
Victor ...i think the answer to the 'why do these have to be written in Flash at all' question is because Flash is installed on such a significant portion of Web browsers. But I recall that Adobe Flex had a competitor, Laszlo/OpenLaszlo, which compiled apps to SWF or to Javascript. Who's to say that Adobe doesn't have the same capability of making SWF apps into JS ones? On one hand, it...
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Ed, such apps are possible with Javascript and HTML5 multimedia features, the question will be how difficult developers find it, and whether the performance is fast enough
- Mike Chelen
LANjackal, there is a question of degree in that Flash + H264 uses proprietary software and codec, while HTML5 + H264 requires only the codec. while OGV is no longer part of the spec, it can certainly still be used to have completely open video formats, and recent comparisons have shown it performs well http://people.xiph.org/~maikme...
- Mike Chelen
Silverlight's 3 is looking pretty impressive today but tend to agree
- Charlie Anzman
What everybody seems to be missing about Flash is that it works because there is one implementation which is mostly backwards-compatible and the same across platforms. It beat Java because, among other reasons, Java just didn't work the same across JVMs and platforms. The problem with HTML5 is that it will have a different implementation for every browser, and that means your app/game...
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- Gabe
Paul, don't you prefer brutal competition SL vs. Flash vs. standards bring to the table by definition? Or are you more into http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - 2020 Google Union - type of ideology?
- Kari Honkanen
Kari, I don't understand your question. Competition is good, but with open-source we get that -- no need for flash or SL.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, no, we don't get the same level of competition with open-source only. As long as there's an opportunity for big gains (like in this case to bridge the gap before html 5 era...to satisfy demand), there will be innovations driven by that. I believe we all benefit from a free market economy that includes commercial, closed source, innovations. I am more scared of the possible future...
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- Kari Honkanen
I wouldn't worry too much amount multimedia. By exposing WebGL, (and hopefully OpenCL), you can offload a lot of compute intensive stuff onto the GPU via GPGPU techniques, and NativeClient is there to take up the rest of the slack, but the for the vast majority of iPhone-like games, I'm willing to bet V8 Javascript on a modern processor is more than enough. That leaves licensing issues...
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- Ray Cromwell
Paul, so are you saying that Google will block both Flash and Silverlight from ChromeOS? That's a new take on 'open.'
- Cliff Gerrish
MSFT next smart move: get Chrome OS (it's BSD licensed), inject IE9 and Silverlight into it and go benchmark against Chrome :)
- Claudio Cicali ♋
MSFT sucks Claudio :)
- Orlando Pozo
Something feels contradictory about a system touted to 'kill' competitors being 'open'. Sounds almost predatory to me.
- Karoli
I'm not opposed to non-open software, but for OS, browser, etc I prefer that it be open. Cliff, Google isn't going to "block" anything, but they can certainly choose what to include, and my guess is that they won't include SL. As Claudio points out, MSFT can make their own version of ChromeOS that includes SL, which is why open source software is nice (it can't be crippled too much or else someone will fork it).
- Paul Buchheit
I have heard somewhere that Fash uses it's own port where Silverlight works over the HTTP port. That's why Netflix works so well. To that, Flash costs more on a sever side because providers can charge more for that port traffic. Could it come down to who is cheaper? (I am fully prepared to be wrong).
- Johnny Worthington
Johnny, they both use HTTP -- there's no difference there.
- Paul Buchheit
Is Chrome OS BSD-licensed? I thought it was using a Linux kernel.
- Victor Ganata
@Paul - well, Flash can do P2P stuff over non-HTTP posts, but that is very new (Flash 10 I think). The cost isn't affected anyway.
- Nick Lothian
My understanding is that netbooks would have to be absurdly popular for Chrome OS to make a dent in the popularity of Flash or SL.
- Gabe
it is possible to have smaller groups for open source software, such as google's own gears api http://code.google.com/apis...
- Mike Chelen
How is HTML 5 going to defeat Flash and SL? I haven't used it, but I don't see anything in the spec that looks like it could compare.
- Gabe
@Gabe - what do you think HTML5 is missing? It does video, drawing, local storage, "threading" via WebWorkers. The biggest hole I'm aware of is the lack of access to webcams & microphones. What have I missed?
- Nick Lothian
Nick: When you say HTML 5 has "drawing", are you refering to the Canvas element? I would not consider an immediate-mode procedural raster drawing library to be much of a competitor to retained-mode declarative vector libraries like SVG or Silverlight. Programming with the Canvas tag is sort of the equivalent of programming in assembly language for bitmaps.
- Gabe
@Gabe: I think you've got it upside-down. A Canvas-style API is the fundamental basis on which you can build a retained mode structure like SVG, et al. If a platform includes a retained-mode library as a convenience, so be it. You can build SVG on Canvas, but not the other way around (hacks like IECanvas notwithstanding -- they have horrible performance characteristics and are a nasty abstraction inversion).
- Joel Webber
So, if Moonlight (Mono) runs on linux -- Will google make sure it doesn't work on Chrome OS?
- Cliff Gerrish
Joel: I don't think you said anything contrary to what I said. I just don't understand why any programmer would want to waste time writing an app using a low-level library when I could use a high-level library that implements everything for me.
- Gabe
@Gabe - I agree, and people are implementing those libraries now. See http://raphaeljs.com/ for example. Also, don't underestimate the convenience factor. I don't own any Flash development tools, but my text editor works pretty well for Canvas+JS based stuff.
- Nick Lothian
Nick: Didn't the author of raphael have some massive rant about how bad the Canvas element is? And I don't have any Flash dev tools either, but I use a text editor for most of my Silverlight development. It is incredibly convenient to be able to type something like <DataGrid ItemsSource="{Binding tabledata}"/> into a text editor and not have to create the data grid myself.
- Gabe
Why is Flash a "necessity" for an OS? I enjoy what flash can do, but it is like putting pimped out leather Oldsmobile seats in a Ferrari. It would definitely be nice, but certainly not a necessity.
- Dan Douglass
Early post goof up. To your original point, I agree. I like how Google is approaching the internet space with web apps that can be run with out a bloated browser.
- Dan Douglass
Dan Douglass: Flash is necessary because so many web sites rely on it. How many people would want to get a netbook that couldn't play FaceBook games or watch YouTube videos? Of course Google is in the unique position of being able to make YouTube work on ChromeOS without Flash, but they probably can't do anything about Hulu, Vimeo, or any of the other video sites out there that require Flash.
- Gabe
Anyone else think Joy is Spam?
- Chris Myles
already reported it yesterday :)
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
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retomeier: If you have Gmail Chat friends who have Android mobiles you *need* to enable this Gmail Lab: http://bit.ly/d87bY - http://twitter.com/retomei...
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The LSD No No - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Great little animation of Dock Ellis' infamous no-hitter
- Nelson Minar
This conveys rather well what every day in the mid 60s and onward was like..........
- Michael Muller
How Food Preferences Vary by Political Ideology - http://www.hunch.com/media...
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"* While there is significant common ground in the food choices made between the two groups, there are also important differences. Liberals show a consistent tendency to enjoy more international and exotic cuisines, with conservatives often leaning more towards mainstream, comfort food staples. * Significant differences also surface between the two groups in consumption preferences for meat, vegetables, fruit, and "healthy alternatives", with conservatives generally choosing the less healthy options."
- Amit Patel
from Bookmarklet
I'm surprised that conservatives are more likely to use apple peelers, particularly because they're less likely to bake.
- Gabe
35% say cocoanut lamb curry? So the researchers asked 3 liberals, one of whom was their friend Vin from Thailand?
- j1m
Also, they put the info about the conversatives on the left, very confusing.
- j1m
Liberals are more likely than conservatives to drink mint juleps??
- Jim Norris
Jim: I was wondering the same thing, but it turns out that what they asked were various preferences ("would you prefer shots or mixed drinks?", "would you prefer clear or colored drinks?", etc.). I assume they just found drinks that matched the overall preferences, rather than asking about specific drinks.
- Gabe
Interesting, though not that surprising. Conservatives like the food their parents ate (they don't like change). Liberals are more open-minded.
- Robert Felty
Does that mean that if Spencer likes Thai food like his parents, he will be more likely to be conservative?
- Clare Dibble
Droid is the best phone. @arrington was totally right
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Sometimes I am amazed at how culturally different the Silicon Valley is compared to corporate america. People in the valley put a huge premium on innovation the corporate world I am discovering puts a huge premium on "professionalism"
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I wonder what that means, beyond preserving and maximizing ROI. (Riding a horse until it dies)
- Cliff Gerrish
Cliff - wonder what means? "professionalism"?
- Bindu Reddy
Yeah.
- Cliff Gerrish
AFAICT it means how polished your presentation is, what you are wearing etc... They seem to put a lot of weight to style more than substance.
- Bindu Reddy
I interpret 'professionalism' to be much more about ethics and treatment of people than dress code or polish. So that was the 'professionalism' I strived for in the corporate world.
- joey
So, in this case 'professionalism' is opposed to 'amateurism' - not being 'put together' -- having some pieces out of place or mismatched. Not following the stylebook, etc.
- Cliff Gerrish
good ethics and treatment is universal... I don't think the folks in the valley are different from Corporate america in that regard. Cliff, more than not being "put together", I would equate professionalism with "formality"
- Bindu Reddy
I think 'proffesional' means 'it looks like you care how other people think of you'
- Gabe
I wasn't trying to imply that the corporate world has a monopoly on professionalism as I interpret it. In fact, I feel that it mostly lacks it, which is one of the reasons I left. I just don't define it as the way you dress or polish yourself. I was entrenched in the corporate world with blue hair and a Linked In profile that listed my (somewhat alternative) outside interests as well as...
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- joey
How about "looking Presidential" :)
- Ray Cromwell
Flight 1549 3D Reconstruction, Hudson River Ditching Jan 15, 2009 - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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holy cow. that's incredible.
- Jenna Bilotta
This is beyond awesome: iPhone or Droid? - xkcd - http://xkcd.com/662/
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It's funny because it's OMFG funny.
- Kevin Fox
from Bookmarklet
alt text: "It may be a fundamentally empty experience, but holy crap the Droid's 265 ppi screen is amazing."
- Kevin Fox
I first saw this cartoon via Reader on my Droid! Couldn't see the alt text tho...
- Rob Shillingsburg
The Droid has some nice parts to it but overall it sucks when compared to iPhone.
- Robert Scoble
hero
- siniradam
Somehow it seems the iPhone will always win on hardware. You know, unless they make a Droid phone brown and able to squirt songs to other Droid phones.
- Alex Bourt
Body By Victoria - http://www.hackerfactor.com/blog...
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Steering Behavior Performance in Actionscript 3 : Another Early Morning - http://www.anotherearlymorning.com/2009...
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Steering demo in Actionscript with 100 boids
- Amit Patel
1927 color film of London - http://kottke.org/09...
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Amazing process, historical footage
- Nelson Minar
Don't be put off by hip/edgy marketing & frustrating web site. DROID really IS a powerful, fast, & fun phone! :)
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As you may remember, I previously urged you NOT to get the G1 Android phone (http://www.bladam.com/main...). I'm proud and really happy to note that there are now Android phones (including the DROID) that I think are just awesome. If I were in the market for a new phone, I'd seriously, happily consider the DROID. Check it out! :)
- Adam Lasnik
And this is probably a good time for a friendly reminder/disclaimer. I work for Google. I am not on the Android team. I am speaking for me here, not my employer, not my parents, not harvey the invisible rabbit, not the illuminati.......
- Adam Lasnik
I can't wait to be in a situation that will enable me to afford a DROID. I so want one.
- Jaemi Kehoe
from IM
I hear ya, Jaemi. Especially without contract, these smart phones (or "app phones" as David Pogue is now calling them) tend to be crazy expensive. But for the patient... those willing to be early-but-not-earliest adoption, I think much cheaper prices can be had.
- Adam Lasnik
Droid is very exciting indeed, and just saw/liked the new commercial http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Huseyin Savas
is it better than the iPhone?
- Claudia Petrilli
Claudia, different. Consensus seems to be that it's slightly less flashy / less polished, but offers more features and functionality and a much nicer screen. Also, it's on a different carrier: Verizon (instead of AT&T).
- Adam Lasnik
ah, we don't have Verizon in Canada. Is it a better carrier?
- Claudia Petrilli
In terms of service, from what I've heard, T-Mobile > Verizon > AT&T, and in terms of coverage and call quality, Verizon > AT&T > T-Mobile. At my house I need to go outside sometimes to get AT&T coverage, but Verizon works everywhere. I suspect any of them are better than Rogers ;( but don't have enough first-hand experience to be sure.
- Amit Patel
To add to that: I'd be using Verizon if it weren't for AT&T. And everyone else in the house would be using the iPhone if it weren't for AT&T. They all laugh when my phone doesn't connect and theirs does. But then I laugh when they can't do anything interesting with their phones ;)
- Amit Patel
Are you guys wishing for a world where phone choices are independent of carrier choices?
- Peng-Toh
Absolutely, Peng-toh! Do you think that's inevitable? In the U.S. it'd be challenging due to implementation issues... specifically that Sprint, Verizon, and AT&T/T-Mobile networks work on different frequencies, so it's actually impossible to use a phone on both Verizon and T-mobile at present :(. The folks in Europe and most of the rest of the world who standardized on GSM are undoubtedly laughing at us right now :(.
- Adam Lasnik
"Don't be put off by hip/edgy marketing" makes me giggle every time I read it.
- EricaJoy
glad to provide amusement :P
- Adam Lasnik
It hadn't occurred to me the droid wasn't GSM. I forgot there were non-GSM carriers. Even though I rarely travel outside the US, I don't think I'd want a phone that only worked here. I wonder how much Verizon is paying Motorola not to let T-Mobile & AT&T sell a GSM version of the droid.
- Seth
Seth, it's possible that you're making incorrect assumptions :) Remember, hardware companies can't just instantly create a phone that'll work on all U.S. networks.
- Adam Lasnik
There is a GSM droid coming. Motorola isn't going to ignore the rest of the world which is more profitable.
- Peng-Toh
Where I am, phones are not allowed to be locked to a carrier and you can get phones that support both CDMA and all forms of GSM. It is just a matter of hardware costs. You should blame FCC for not having the guts to fight for the consumer.
- Peng-Toh
You can always buy a phone that's not locked to the carrier in the US. The problem is, the prices for the service all factor in subsidizing a phone, which means that even if you bought a phone that's unlocked, you don't get a discount on the service (or even an elimination of the activation fee). The result is that everybody buys a phone through a carrier. It's as though all cars were sold assuming that you'd pay for the car partly through buying gas from the company that sold you the car.
- Piaw Na
Here, phones are subsidized if you sign up for a plan but the phone is not locked. There is a healthy resale market for new/used phones as a result.
- Peng-Toh
Are prices for the plans reduced if you don't buy a phone?
- Piaw Na
Piaw, no. But the typical hardware subsidy is only about US$100 for a two year contract. The iPhone is unusual though. You can sign up for a two year contract, get a new *unlocked* 3GS 32GB for US$500 and sell it on the resale market for US$900 and the profit will pay for almost two years worth of service plan. You could do the roughly the same thing with the iPhone 3G last year. (Yes,...
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- Peng-Toh
Modern Warfare 3 - http://www.theonion.com/content...
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Sneak preview of the new ultrarealistic military game
- Nelson Minar
Hope it's on Steam! :)
- Amit Patel
Solving Sudoku Using a Single SQL Query - http://digg.com/program...
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♥♥♥ argleton is for lovers ♥♥♥
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I heard that real-estate prices are going up like crazy in Argleton. A supply/demand issue ;)
- Henner Zeller
Are you thinking of moving there? Or just visiting?
- Jim Norris
Not me - but my sack person avatar seeks for a home in Little Big Argleton. I wish him good luck - maybe in that universe there are places to live there.
- Henner Zeller
Kalinin K-7 - http://englishrussia.com/...
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Ridiculous 1930s era Russian flying fortress. Really crazy.
- Nelson Minar
DROOOoooooID.
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how is it? i totally want one.
- Jenna Bilotta
Great! Significantly faster than the G1. Better screen. The keyboard will take a bit of getting used to. The default notification sound is a robotic voice saying "DROOOoooooID", thankfully easily changed.
- Tudor Bosman
What, why would you change that ? :D
- Mo Kargas
*spock eyebrow* LOL
- Derrick
The screen is absolutely beautiful. YouTube videos over wifi (bandwidth detection?) are sharp and clear.
- Bill Strathearn
Also, it's the first phone I had that does email right; it can easily handle multiple email accounts (two Gmail accounts, both using the Android Gmail client; one IMAP account, and one Exchange account). It seamlessly merges the contacts from the different accounts (and also my Facebook friends) and allows me to configure different notifications for the different accounts.
- Tudor Bosman
from Android
What about the keyboard - heard it was kinda janky. Though my number one concern is Twitter (need to demo Twittdroid) then UX of 1. mail and 2. SMS
- Mona Nomura
The keyboard isn't great. It's not bad, but I think the one on my old G1 was *slightly* better. It's no Blackberry, it's no Sidekick (the Sidekick had the best keyboard, but it was also huge and clunky). There are two different email clients -- one for Gmail (which is awesome, and supports all Gmail features in a very Gmail-y way), and one for other accounts (IMAP/POP, Exchange) which I...
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- Tudor Bosman
I'm actually excited to play with one tomorrow - it sounds a lot more promising than the Pre.
- Mona Nomura
Contact integration is really great. You get an address book (which is automatically synced with your Gmail, Facebook, Exchange accounts), and, once you select a contact, you get a list of options (based on where the contact was imported from) -- call / SMS the phone numbers on the account, send an email, chat with them in Google Talk (it shows the Google Talk status right there in the...
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- Tudor Bosman
The wall charger is a generic USB charger, with a USB charging port, which is nice: you can use it to charge any USB-chargeable accessories. The phone comes with a standard USB-to-microUSB cable that can be used for either charging or data transfer. This cable is only 3ft long, which is a pain; come on, Motorola, bundling a 6ft cable would have cost you, what, 15 cents more?
- Tudor Bosman
Scamville: The Social Gaming Ecosystem Of Hell - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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I don't get it. People actually pay for points on their games?
- Piaw Na
Piaw - it's a trade of money for time.
- Andrew C
BTW, I had no idea the scams were this bad. I have friends who work at some of the "bad" gaming companies named here.
- Andrew C
Maybe this is part of the reason that Apple is so restrictive about iPhone apps.
- Robert Felty
Robert, Apple's review process can't discover apps that do this -- they can't tell whether the ad unit that shows a legitimate ad during the review process suddenly starts showing scammy lead-gen a week later. I'd look at it a different way: scammy lead-gen shows up everywhere that content providers don't attach value to having a satisfied user (email spam, search engine spam, etc.). The best way for FB to avoid this is to make their platform useful for nontrivial app authors. Looks like they're trying...
- Daniel Dulitz
Good point Daniel. It seems like it is a pretty difficult thing to police. Maybe they could create a blacklist of advertisers.
- Robert Felty
Its not always the advertisers, its how the offers are presented. Tatto Media suggested we block people from seeing more than 3 articles on our site without forcing the user to fill out an offer of their choice. Of course we didn't implement this and it wouldn't drive the user experience we are looking for.
- Matt Ellsworth
Goodby AT&T. Hello Droid
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The clincher for me was AT&T's ignorance of the Android platform, long after all other carriers made the option available
- Bill Strathearn
from Android
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