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TigerWoods.com: Statement from Tiger Woods - http://web.tigerwoods.com/news...

November 29 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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"This is a private matter and I want to keep it that way. Although I understand there is curiosity, the many false, unfounded and malicious rumors that are currently circulating about my family and me are irresponsible. The only person responsible for the accident is me. My wife, Elin, acted courageously when she saw I was hurt and in trouble. She was the first person to help me. Any other assertion is absolutely false." - Mistletoe Glen from Bookmarklet

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IMHO this is not a smart move. By declining the police interviews (which is perfectly within his rights to do so) and by waiting 48 hours to make a statement, he's let the media (traditional, social, and otherwise) dictate the story. In a vacuum, people will derive what information they can. Why WAS he leaving the house at 2:30 a.m., anyways? - Mistletoe Glen

Because sometimes private matters don't require public statements. - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

The problem is that people, having had the situation brought to their attention, are forced to the conclusion that the reality must be much worse than the rumors. - Mistletoe Glen

Thats a shocking tan line. - Giraffes Up In The AIr

The real problem is that people choose to consume (or do not speak out againgst) those companies which bring it to their attention. Again, private matter. If I was in this situation, I would be caring more about my family then the media. - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

Tiger is a "Brand" thus for him and his many sponsors there are NO provate matters - this whole deal was badly handled this simple statement 2 days ago was good, today not so much - WarLord

When you become a public figure; when you're earning more than a billion dollars because of your persona, it's very difficult to keep something private. When people look at this (and they will), they come to the conclusion that it is less costly to keep the rumors alive than to be truthful with what was going on. It is *not* a private matter to Buick, American Express, etc. - Mistletoe Glen

So are we leaving him even half an inch of room for 'this was an argument between me and my wife, no affair' or are his only two choices 'Affair Rumours' and 'Admitting Affair'? The problem with giving a definative statement either way is the media will then comb your life for inconsistencies. If there is one thing the media (and really, the media just reflects what we let them to) love more than a superstar is a superstar with a gotcha moment. - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

I'm merely making an observation—by waiting and by making such a lightweight statement, he guarantees that someone in the media will spend time and effort trying to determine the truth. His presence in a tour event or on a magazine cover sells, and he's just guaranteed that his name and image will be appearing on far more magazine covers than if he had made a statement (even a similar statement) on Friday morning rather than waiting two days and canceling three police interviews. - Mistletoe Glen

I agree with Glen on that point. Now it is possible that rumors would have started anyway, but without any statement from Woods (and very little from police), there was no real information to counter them. Woods is entitled to his privacy, but sometimes that private world breaks into the public. A single-car, late night driving accident is bound to raise questions. - John (a.k.a. dendroica)

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman"... If proven false has a lot more determental effect than if a rumor is proven correct. - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

Check out Dave Martin's take on it (he's a professional PR guy): http://twitter.com/martindave - Mistletoe Glen

One thing Martin doesn't comment on... The second you deny something, even if you are completely innocent, all subsequent rumors regarding this or any other issue must be denied with the same vigor lest it raise suspicion. Short term thinking going on. Tiger hits golf balls, not deny rumors. - Johnny Worthington

At 2:30 in the morning, there were probably only two witnesses: him and his wife. If they keep quiet then anything anyone else says is speculation. And who cares? He's not a public official. Let them alone. - Rob Sterling

Marshall Kirkpatrick

RT @rtaibah: @marshallk I love Tweetdeck's popups. Wish there was a mute button though. You know mute for 30/60/90 min. To get things done

November 23 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

(Especially when they interrupt L4D2.) - Rob Sterling

Mistletoe Glen

DO ANYBODY NO why the US Postal Service delivers the mail but, in the UK, the Royal Mail delivers the post?

November 18 - Comment - Like - Share

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DO ANYBODY NO why you park in a driveway but drive on a parkway? - Akiva Moskovitz

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The British are a backwards people. - Itachi

I blame rickets. - Micah Wittman

its like cotton candy is candy floss over there - VAL D. Zone

DO ANYBODY NO why a hard drive is full of sex stuff, but my sex drive is stuck with a floppy? - Mark "DerBingle" J

(Okay, that was funnier in my head.) - Mark "DerBingle" J

o_O @ Mark - Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)

DO ANYBODY NO the muffin man - Danny Minick

Maxamad, according to the quote above both the US and the UK are backwards. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

;) - Itachi

Because of those limey Brits. God bless 'em every one! I love 'em and I hate 'em. I know they would hate me some, but hopefully there are those that will love me too! But yeah, to answer your question - it's the limey (yet very sexy) Brits! - Morgan Haley

*facepalm* - Johnny Worthington

I confirm that we are sexy. If you learn to spell and dress, you too can be sexy - sjjh

concurs with @sjjh - Shaf

I would blame it on teachers - I dont know about you but in our school writing "the royal mail delivered the mail" would have gotten you a big "REPETITION!!!" note in the margin and a lower grade... - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

@Joelle - That was my thought, too. 'Mail' and 'Post' are synonyms, so it parses poorly to use either word twice in a sentence, especially when one noun use would be proper and the other common. - Rob Sterling

John Carney

RT @IvankaTrump: Just left A Steady Rain. Hugh Jackman and Daniel Craig were AMAZING! Definitely a broadway show worth seeing.

November 18 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

You're aware that you just retweeted Ivanka Trump? Jus' sayin'. - Rob Sterling

Robert Scoble

eric_andersen: Whoa! Time's "Person" of the year might be either Twitter or the economy? http://j.mp/1WBmwP /via @cheeky_geeky - http://twitter.com/eric_an...

November 14 from Twitter / Favorites from... - Comment - Like - Share

Lame. How about actually picking a person like Pres. Obama. - Joe from iPod

Does anybody give a crap anymore? There are probably a dozen current affairs blogs with more readers. - Rob Sterling

Jesse Stay

Epic Win: News Corp Likely To Remove Content From Google - http://www.inquisitr.com/46786...

November 8 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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Smart move (maybe) - if Google is paying Twitter to get their content, why shouldn't Google be paying others as well? News Corp is a big entity - is it a loss for Google to lose all that content or a loss for News Corp? - Jesse Stay from Bookmarklet

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Since News Corp suck at reporting and Murdoch is a greedy bastard, I say 'Good bloody riddance' - Mo Kargas

I know a whole lotta conservatives that will still bypass Google to get the content - Jesse Stay

Not to mention MySpace users - however, will MySpace users revolt now that their pages can't be indexed (if this goes through)? - Jesse Stay

*bookmark* - Micah Wittman

Also makes me wonder what News Corp is doing with MySpace now - what do they have up their sleeves? - Jesse Stay

Imagine if they too set up a deal with Twitter... - Jesse Stay

to search content, that is - Jesse Stay

Good, it would save me the trouble of having to look to see if something comes from Murdoch's entities. I doubt this will actually happen, though. - Rob Haas

Sorry but most people won't even realize that News Corp content is missing. People will search and they'll find other sites. Sorry, the unibrow of the web wins. - AJ Kohn

So if I link to a News Corp article via Twitter... will that tweet not be searchable? - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

Johnny, they can block Google spider from news corp sites but twitter will still be indexed as usual. - Amit Morson

Two Words... DON'T CARE - CW™

Would be a good move if News Corp carried ALL the news (sorry for allcaps). But there are plenty of others wanting for Google love. - Mike Reynolds

When Murdoch and his kind get together to set a price, the Government will step in to stop what is obvious price fixing. His threat is hollow, they won't set a price. - Wallace

Rupert must have been listening to Twist #24. Calacanis suggested he do this. http://thisweekinstartups.com/2009... (somewhere near the end of the episode). - Ken Morley

Calacanis suggested he do this???? It figures.... - Roberto Bonini

He was saying the top ten news oranizations should get together and make an offer to Bing... but that Rupert was likely the only one with the balls to do it; and that Google set a precedent by paying Twitter to index their content. :o) - Ken Morley

Update: Calacanis just posted this: http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Ken Morley

Genius! epic win for sure! - Jason Calacanis

It's curious that he would say search engine referral visitors aren't desired by advertisers. - Rob Sterling

Only way to make money from your content is to control it from the beginning. News Corp gave it away in several ways on the internet, including allowing Google search to go through their websites. Now that it has happened, if they choose to close off key avenues of information to go out to the users that are now used to getting their information a certain way, will backfire beyond... more... - CW™

One word, "Antitrust." Or is that two words? The bulk Twitter feed apparently was not available to the public or it would have already been searched by Google. If content is available to the public now for free, I don't know how you are going to exclude some member of the public (Google) from accessing that content without creating a legal problem. - Jimmy Walker

I love moves that make old media harder to get to, driving those bastards farther behind their walls, marginalizing their impact even further. It makes just that much more space to allow the future to get her sooner. - Matthew DeVries

I guess new media won't kill old media after all. Old media will simply commit suicide. - Victor Ganata

And Jason just sent around an email newsletter explaining. I'd post it but its Copyrighted. - Roberto Bonini

What, this? http://calacanis.com/2009... - Daniel J. Pritchett

Why is he "talking about it"? Couldn't a quick change to the robots.txt file (which Google and legitimate search robots obey) exclude Google? - Brian Sullivan

Jason get rich by flux, it doesn't matter to him who wins, as long as there is change, upheaval and instability. Flat markets are Satan that he must fight. It does not surprise me that he advocates points of view that represent a sea change in the industry. It matters not to him whether new media or old media wins, just that there is a decade of fighting. - Matthew DeVries

For sure they want to be' payd as Twitter, the move to exit from the index is a suicide about advertising, by now it guarantee 100000 imp x day (It's in the answer of google to Murdock). - CantorJF from iPhone

Steven Perez

You think abortion is wrong? Don’t have one. I think killing people is wrong, so I’m not in the army. My tax dollars still go to fund it, though (in fact about 21 cents of each of my tax dollars). My tax dollars also go to keep prisoners on death row even though I think the death penalty is morally wrong. My tax dollars fund Guantanamo and Bagram,... - http://silas216.tumblr.com/post...

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I would like to present an argument against your case, but I can't find any! *highfive* - Rene Wirtz

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There is a divergence of opinions upon whether certain activities are "victimless" or not. In each of the examples cited above, there are people who are passionately opposed to the activity in question, and who use a variety of means - legislation, protest, criminal - to make sure that abortion or the death penalty or Guantanamo Bay don't get funded by governments. - John E. Bredehoft

This is a specious argument, if only because capital punishment and military expenditures are both subject to democratic process whereas abortion was made legal by a court decision. The bigger issue is that abortions will skyrocket if the cost to the recipient goes down. - Rob Sterling

Remind me again, Rob: who elects the people who select the Supreme Court justices? - Steven Perez

Who gets to vote them out is the issue, Steven. - Rob Sterling

Nope. The issue is why some things are worth getting worked up over and why some others are overlooked. The word for today, Rob, is "hypocrisy". - Steven Perez

Seriously, do you realize that abt 40% of African-American pregnancies in the U.S. are aborted, currently? By lowering the price to zero, you're basically supporting black genocide. Free abortion will be to blacks and hispanics what smallpox was to the Incas. - Rob Sterling

As my algebra teacher used to say, Rob: please show work. - Steven Perez

I was just thinking, I'd like to see any statistics to support Rob's argument. Also, should we talk about what things were like *before* Roe v. Wade for women who needed an abortion? In any case, the argument that "abortion was made legal by *a* court decision" and is therefore not debatable in the same way that the other issues which are "subject to democratic process" are, should mean that any other decisions of the Supreme Court are equally invalid. - Bren -- Not Grinchy

Steven I was looking at your logic and went one step previous: Don't want to get pregnant? (includes men in that responsibility), don't have sex. (This would be the counter argument). I can find no argument that it is a need (no death results from abstaining). Nor can I find a good argument that it is a "right". - Melanie Reed

So we can start with Miranda rights. Those can go. What should be next, Rob? - Bren -- Not Grinchy

Don't forget desegregation, Bren. That was so 1950s. - Steven Perez

Melanie: the above is a quote from here: http://globalcomment.com/2009... - Steven Perez

OK, so here's the CDC numbers: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr... In 2000, 503 pregnancies were aborted compared to 1000 live births among African-American women. That is 33%; I've seen higher numbers but don't recall where. I hope I don't have to explain demand elasticity - which is that when you lower a price for something, demand goes up. - Rob Sterling

@Bren - Miranda is a criminal law process issue, right? Of course that can be settled by the courts. But while abortion is obviously an issue for the legislature, the left took it to the courts when it didn't get the outcome it wanted. Right or wrong, that's not democracy. - Rob Sterling

Steven, thanks. Yeah, I saw. Now to counter her argument: "I am not a bargaining chip" I'm following her all the way up to and including the right to say "no" when I don't agree to have sex. It is my body. But should I become pregnant, I am then sharing my body with someone who from a biological standpoint has no choice but to trust me. I wonder if this life form (which if we found it... more... - Melanie Reed

Rob: where have I heard that argument before? Oh, yeah, now I remember: http://mediamatters.org/mmtv... - Steven Perez

Curses, you've discovered my secret identity! LOL. So? You have a point? I'd rather be on the same page as Limbaugh than that lunatic Olbermann. - Rob Sterling

Yes. (1) In your hypothesis, why does the ability to have access to abortions not affect white people's population numbers as much they will apparently non-white people? (2) Rush Limbaugh? Seriously? That alone should invalidate your hypothesis, but I'll give you a shot to try and come up with an answer for the first. - Steven Perez

We teach children in "Horton Hears a Who" : "That a person's a person...no matter how small". No one in the story can hear the whos ...except Horton. He makes it a point to tell whoville to have everybody to yell as loud as they can so they will be heard. What happens when science makes the leap forward past ultrasounds to discover a way the fetus has been communicating to us all along...we just couldn't "hear" it? What then? - Melanie Reed

*wth? white people are advocating for black births now? that's a switch.* - tiffany

Oh, and, to completely derail the conversation: (3) why does every conservative feel the need to bring up Olbermann when I catch them using Limbaugh's talking points? Do you even imagine that there is some sort of equivalence there? Cuz there really isn't. - Steven Perez

Rob: Steven pointed out desegregation as another issue that the courts had to over-rule the majority on, were they wrong there? How about the various voting writes acts that the Supreme Court had to uphold? - Bren -- Not Grinchy

1) I expect it will affect white people similarly. But if it doubles the white numbers they'll still be lower than the black numbers are now. 2) So you ignore ideas that come from people you generally don't agree with? I'm sure that will lead to a happy and successful life for you. - Rob Sterling

I'm not a fan of Rob's politics (as far as I can divine them), but the math seems to back him up. In 2004 there were 584,000 "Non-Hispanic Black" births: http://bit.ly/1r9NSz (pdf). In 2004 there were 453,000 abortions performed for black women: http://bit.ly/iwjk1 (pdf). Again, my point is not to support any particular position, just that these numbers are pretty easy to find. - s t e v e

@Bren - You're talking about interpretations of the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments, which have been interepreted differently by the Court during different eras. Those three amendments passed through the usual process in the two decades after the Civil War. - Rob Sterling

so rob, what you're saying is a woman can't afford to have an abortion but she can afford to give birth? - tiffany

(1) So you're guessing. OK. How about we try and see if your hypothesis holds water? (2) Wow. So far off the mark. I have no problem with opposing viewpoints. But I have a serious problem with anyone using anything that racist gasbag has to say. If Limbaugh told me that the sun was shining, I would want independent confirmation from eight other people, just to make sure. THAT is what I think of Captain Oxycontin's vaunted opinion. - Steven Perez

@tiffany Nope. I'm saying that if you make abortion really cheap, more people will do it. - Rob Sterling

@Steven - So instead of just ignoring ideas from people you disagree with, you demonize and hate those people and THEN ignore them. Got it. - Rob Sterling

@Steve - My politics are immaterial. I'm just pointing out the math. Thanks for agreeing with the math. - Rob Sterling

Reading comprehension wasn't your strong suit in school, was it, Rob? If you want to pretend that Rush Limbaugh, of all people, actually gives a damn about black people, other than owning them, then good luck with that reality. Otherwise, the subject here is about why people freak out about abortion and why they don't freak out equally as much about torture or war or the death penalty. - Steven Perez

and the result of not having an abortion is...? if fewer women have abortions, more children will be born, yes? think about the actual real world implications for a moment and you will (i hope) see how silly the argument against funding abortions really is. - tiffany

Rob: 3. State criminal abortion laws, like those involved here, that except from criminality only a life-saving procedure on the mother's behalf without regard to the stage of her pregnancy and other interests involved violate the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, which protects against state action the right to privacy, including a woman's qualified right to terminate her pregnancy. -- From the original opinion in the Roe v. Wade case. - Bren -- Not Grinchy

Your politics are imma-what? First time I've heard THAT specious line of reasoning. - Steven Perez

If it wasn't for the time, Rob, I would get the numbers from European countries where abortion is legal. Those numbers would show a significant drop in before and after legalization. Your argument that just because it may be cheaper it's gonna happen more is completely ridiculous. - Rene Wirtz

I don't "agree" with facts, Rob. I'm a librarian, and I know it's pretty easy to get those numbers. I'm actually fine with anyone who wants an abortion getting one. I'm not sure why you should feel comfortable saying that poor black women should be forced to carry on the race or some such shit. - s t e v e

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts... - Bren -- Not Grinchy

tiffany, I think in that argument you will also need to examine the growing statistics of infertility - Melanie Reed

@Rene - If abortions cost a million dollars each, would there be fewer of them? - Rob Sterling

Rob: if cheese cost $1000000 a pound, we'd stop eating cheese, too. That doesn't mean that if cheese was free, all we would eat is cheese. - Bren -- Not Grinchy

@Rob: that one I would believe. But guess what would skyrocket, and similarly now, if abortion is made illegal? - Rene Wirtz

@Steve - I am also fine with anyone who wants an abortion being able to get one. I am not fine with having to pay for them. I am even less fine with the potentially destabilizing effects of "free" abortions. - Rob Sterling

And, just like when it was illegal to have an abortion, making or keeping it artificially expensive just creates a black market. Prohibition does not, generally, work. It didn't work with alcohol, it's not working with drugs, and it didn't and will not work with abortion. - Bren -- Not Grinchy

Further, since you seem concerned about saving lives, I assume you would also be in favor of criminalizing gun possession, right Rob? - Bren -- Not Grinchy

+++++Bren - Admiral Anika

And eliminating the death penalty. - Bren -- Not Grinchy

@Rob: rocking the wrong boat, my friend. I know, for a fact, that it really does not have a destabilizing effect, The exact opposite, actually. And that's why in almost all European countries, even in the very catholic ones, abortion is legal. - Rene Wirtz

Also, there is one other factor that is tangential, generally a family takes care of their older members. The only way older members get taken care of as they age and become infirm is either the state or their own resources amassed over their working life. The argument overlooked and one approaching us is the dual circumstance of an increasing unmarried single female population growing older with limited to no savings and now because of divorce and the fallen economy no money and abortion, no family - Melanie Reed

@Rene - If you accept that fewer abortions would occur if the price went up, then you are admitting that abortion demand has price elasticity. So the argument isn't whether there will be more abortions, it's how many more will occur. My guess is that dropping the price from several hundred dollars to something less than $50 will cause a huge surge - maybe a doubling. - Rob Sterling

And providing a universal, public option for health care that offers preventative care for all Americans, and does not preclude people with "pre-existing conditions" from obtaining medical service, right? - Bren -- Not Grinchy

rob: you're wrong. "A comprehensive global study of abortion has concluded that abortion rates are similar in countries where it is legal and those where it is not, suggesting that outlawing the procedure does little to deter women seeking it." http://www.nytimes.com/2007... - tiffany

Rene: maybe this is what you were looking for: "Conclusions: Both developed and developing countries can have low abortion rates. Most countries, however, have moderate to high abortion rates, reflecting lower prevalence and effectiveness of contraceptive use. Stringent legal restrictions do not guarantee a low abortion rate." http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs... - Steven Perez

@Rob: your logic is simply unfounded. It has been proven that even offering free abortions does not increase the number of abortions. - Rene Wirtz

Rob: you hit the nail on the head, when you said "my guess..." edit: because you have no data to support such a surge - Bren -- Not Grinchy

@Rene - You are aware that most of Europe has a negative birthrate, right? That is extremely destabilizing. - Rob Sterling

@Rene It has been proven? LOL. Show me those numbers, please. - Rob Sterling

Rob: precisely. Se my comment above - Melanie Reed

@Bren - No one ever has data to prove what is GOING to happen in a society. Thank you for making such a conservative point. - Rob Sterling

@Rob: but that has absolutely zero to do with abortion. That has to do with the fact that, just like in the US, the trend is to start (too) late with having children. - Rene Wirtz

So you are guessing, then, Rob. Again, I would love to see how you went from "high incidences of non-white abortions" to " wiping out the black people", especially since most women in this country live in a county without basic reproductive services. http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009... - Steven Perez

melanie, women who have abortions don't have fewer children. they just have them later. and rob, you do realize that the cost of raising a child is precisely why europe has a negative birth rate. and you *ALSO* realize that the u.s. would have a negative birthrate but for immigration, right? - tiffany

Show me a precedent for your assertion, though, Rob - Bren -- Not Grinchy

whether a woman aborts a pregnancy is a decision between her and her doctor. if we deny funding for one option, then it has the effect of forcing someone into the other - Mike Chelen

Because I could say "my guess is that if you made abortion free, no one would ever have one again because they would not trust in the value of the service being provided." - Bren -- Not Grinchy

Tiffany, not all of them. Too many of them find they are unable. If you are younger at this point it is easy to assume you have control of the future. You and I and they don't. - Melanie Reed

@Rene - I can't respond to anything else you write until you show me the proof. You're throwing out too many assertions without giving any foundation. - Rob Sterling

Rob: http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs..., http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009... - Steven Perez

And I wasn't making a conservative point, Rob, I was asking you to provide some basis for your assertion that lowering abortion cost would increase the number of abortions. - Bren -- Not Grinchy

@tiffany - Yes, but the U.S. is closer to balanced than most of Europe. I want the U.S. birth rate to go back into the positive range; cheap or free abortions would make that harder. - Rob Sterling

Why is it so important to you that we have more kids than anyone else, Rob? - Steven Perez

@Bren - You want a precedent for thinking that demand is elastic by price? Or specifically that cutting the price of a thing by 80% or more can at least double demand? - Rob Sterling

Yoo hoo, Rob! Over here! Yeah, me, the guy throwing facts your way! *waves arms* - Steven Perez

I'd like a precedent for Abortion, specifically, Rob. That's what we are talking about, right? it's not exactly like other consumer products. - Bren -- Not Grinchy

@Steven - You're linking articles, not throwing facts. - Rob Sterling

Rob: are you saying that his sources are not valid? - Bren -- Not Grinchy

No, I'm providing you with numbers, Rob, which are then attached to articles which support their theories, Rob. Sorry if that is too much for you to handle. I'll go back to hating on Limbaugh if you want. - Steven Perez

@Bren - Here's an article on price elasticity for medical services. Please remember that abortion is an elective procedure: http://stanford.wellsphere.com/healthc... - Rob Sterling

Bren it would be the same economic model that is studied and excepted from economists for lowering smoking rates by raising the price - Melanie Reed

@Bren - I'm saying that he should give an argument and then link his source. Not just hurl long articles at me here, while I'm arguing with half-a-dozen people. - Rob Sterling

And doing a bang-up job, except that you haven't actually responded to anything I've asked of you ;) - Bren -- Not Grinchy

Says the guy who threw a dozen tables at me and then guessed at what might happen. I provided reasoned arguments that weren't hard to follow, Rob. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend? - Steven Perez

I think I've responded to everything you've asked. You just didn't like the answers. - Rob Sterling

OK, Rob, in spite of me getting sleep. In the US 4 out of 20 pregnancies end in abortion (http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs...), in Holland and Belgium this number is 11 out of a 100 (http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki..., true source: http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs...). The difference: abortion is legal in Belgium and Holland and still only quasi-legal in the US. - Rene Wirtz

@Steven - You ASKED for the work. I gave you the number and then linked the tables. Don't be a child. - Rob Sterling

And I repeat: Why is it so important to you that we have more kids than anyone else, Rob? - Steven Perez

i still want to understand the logic of forcing a woman who wants an abortion but can't afford one to have to pay to give birth and presumably raise a child. - tiffany

Melanie: that is based on the principal that smoking is harmful in all cases, while the fact is that in some situations abortion is the best choice - Mike Chelen

@Steven - I don't care about how many kids other countries have. - Rob Sterling

No, you provided me with raw data and then hazarded guesses on what MIGHT happen. Not nearly the same thing, Rob. - Steven Perez

You have? I must have missed where you refuted that Roe v. Wade was just as Constitutionally based as all of the other issues I mentioned, or when you told me your stance on the death penalty, gun criminalization, and universal health care, since you are so concerned with saving lives... - Bren -- Not Grinchy

@tiffany - FORCING? The only people potentially subject to force are those of us who don't want to be part of socialized medicine. - Rob Sterling

Or when you provided data to support your assertion that lower abortion costs would lead to higher abortion rates... - Bren -- Not Grinchy

Mike it isn't for the baby, nor the future of that society since you and I do not know the contribution that child could have made, nor for the woman who doesn't know what her future will bring - Melanie Reed

@Steven - You're just not real good at this, are you? I gave you 503 of 1000 live births. A precise number, and then linked the table. - Rob Sterling

And then leapt to an unfounded conclusion, based on nothing you could point to other than a poorly chosen economic model, Rob. - Steven Perez from IM

@Bren - Since it hasn't happened yet, I can't show data to indicate that it will. Since nearly everything in the world has demand elasticity by price, I would think the burden to show why it WON'T effect abortion is really to be made by you. - Rob Sterling

I guess I'm asking too much for lefties to understand demand curves. If you understood supply and demand, your worldviews wouldn't be what it is. - Rob Sterling

Rob: denying funding for a medical treatment influences the decision more strongly for anyone that unable to afford the expense - Mike Chelen

Besides you are banking on the fact that you will be fertile later on: that is not always the case. Aside from the moral argument, you are playing with futures, both individual and community, that you do not have any information in which to make an informed decision. - Melanie Reed

And, Rob, I ask you to understand that you, as a man, do not have the authority to decide on what a woman is allowed or not allowed to do, because that's really what it comes down to. - Rene Wirtz

Clearly there are people who have very low incomes that will find legal abortion to be more difficult to obtain if they have to pay the full price out of pocket. All the more reason why the procedure should be covered by insurance. The last thing the world needs is more unwanted children of parents with low incomes. - Jason Wehmhoener

I see, Rob. The problem isn't your lack of a coherent theory. It's my politics and intelligence that's the problem. - Steven Perez

@Rene - What? I am not deciding what anybody can do. You are. - Rob Sterling

So there is no precedent, even in countries where abortions are free and widely available for abortion rates rising dramatically? - Bren -- Not Grinchy

@Steven - I'm glad you've come to accept that. - Rob Sterling

No, I'd like to give women the option of a choice. I would never take that choice away, or worse, make it illegal. And how do I decide what you do? - Rene Wirtz

Yeah, must be that brown pigmentation that does me in, Rob. - Steven Perez

Steven: I didn't see Rob use race as a qualifier, I think it is unfair to assume that. - Bren -- Not Grinchy

Melanie: isn't a child better off if they are born to a parent capable of raising them? - Mike Chelen

@Steven - I don't even know what race you are. But thanks for going as low as you can go, in less than hour. That's character, right there. - Rob Sterling

I agree, Bren. Completely unfounded. Like his entire argument. I leapt to an erroneous conclusion based on an inherent bias towards people on his side of the aisle. See how easy that was? And I didn't even need a link. - Steven Perez

Melanie: the question of health risk regarding future pregnancy is exactly the sort of issue that should be carefully discussed by a woman and her doctor. since the choice effects the woman's future so strongly, isn't it unfair to try and make that decision for her? - Mike Chelen

@Bren - I am researching that right now. But increased demand for services once prices drop is a major problem for socialized medicine systems in Europe. It's why things that are expensive but quick here, like MRIs, have such long wait lists in some other countries. - Rob Sterling

Don't sweat it, Rob. You know how we Mexicans can get about that kind of thing. So sensitive all the time. - Steven Perez

Mike, are you saying, given the assumed awful life you have had (I am assuming for arguments sake) that if you had been given the choice (which these children are not being given) that you would have said "no, I don't want to be born. Please abort me. I don't like the life I'm going to get."? Joy does not arise from the amount of money you have. The triumph of life has been seen through all circumstances. - Melanie Reed

Steven: I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt. I may not agree with Rob's politics, or his interpretation of the constitution, or his lack of empathy for the needs of people outside of his immediate social strata, but I would not immediately assume that he is either a bad person, or a racist. - Bren -- Not Grinchy

@Rob: I'm interested in your research for that. - Rene Wirtz

Rob: changing the price actually affects the supply curve, not the demand curve (in classical economics) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - Mike Chelen

Given that Rob's whole argument can be best summed up as some sort of "white man's burden" to save the black race in the name of economics, Bren, I'm not sure I can give him equal latitude. - Steven Perez

This thread makes me want to have like fifteen abortions. - Andrizzle Gizzle

@Bren - This is anecdotal but doesn't include enough numbers to be too useful: http://www.euthanasia.com/vietnam... - Rob Sterling

Steven: funny thing is there are other measures such as use of prophylactics that we could probably all agree on, which would actually affect the demand curve - Mike Chelen

Fair enough, Steven. I am not here to tell you what to think or not think, but the way I read his argument was more along the lines of: "those who are in favor of cheap abortions are in favor, de facto, of decimation of brown people of all sorts in the US." - Bren -- Not Grinchy

@Rob: I understand that some elective medical procedures follow the rules of economic supply/demand curves, but I think it's unreasonable to assume that abortion will follow the same pattern: yes, if MRIs are cheap and available, lots of people will use them, they're a diagnostic tool. Same goes for other preventative, diagnostic, or cosmetic procedures. But abortion is a whole... more... - Louis Simoneau

Mike, true, health classes in high school should be demonstrating the proper usage of condoms. Heck, I'd go so far as to say health classes should be distributing condoms. - Jason Wehmhoener

@Mike - Changes in price affect both supply and demand. At a higher price, more people are willing to supply it, fewer to buy it. And vice-versa as prices decline. - Rob Sterling

Rob: that article about Viet Nam describes a situation that is significantly different: the government of Viet Nam is actively *encouraging* abortion as a birth control method, not just subsidizing the price. - Bren -- Not Grinchy

Mike, years ago this wasn't even an issue. If you are familiar with ancient cultures the birth of a child was not seen as the burden as it is today (and we have more money than they did and more medical options for comfort and traumatic care. You can't survive everything and t one point we are all going to die. But we who are here have at least been given our chance. I for one am not... more... - Melanie Reed

melanie: a woman is fertile for about 25 years. having an abortion at 15, 17 or 25 does not mean she can't have a child at 26, or 30. fertility doesn't MARKEDLY drop off (and by "markedly," i mean where miscarriage is more likely) until about 40. my own mother had me at 32. this fertility argument is really a non issue. - tiffany

Fair enough, Bren. I happen to think that black people are smart enough not to abort themselves out of existence. - Steven Perez

@Bren - Subsidizing a thing, i.e. making it cheaper, is encouragement. When the government subsidizes a thing, we get more of it. That is the usual purpose of subsidies. - Rob Sterling

I agree, Steven. - Bren -- Not Grinchy

*dead* seriously melanie? abortion dates back to ancient roman times http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - tiffany

DO ANYBODY NO WHY WIMMEN HATES BABBYS - Andrizzle Gizzle

Tiffany, I am glad for your mother It does not happen that way for everyone. I am just asking you to realize that a woman cannot always count on finding a husband nor in getting pregnant by any other means. It is not a non-issue. - Melanie Reed

Rob: that is not what I meant, and you know it. The level of intellectual dishonesty in your arguments makes it very hard to take your points seriously. The same is true, I have found, generally among conservatives. - Bren -- Not Grinchy

"If you are familiar with ancient cultures the birth of a child was not seen as the burden as it is today" Anyone who's read Greek or Roman myths can start laughing *looks at stopwatch* right. now. - Spidra Webster

I have also noticed that sort of intellectual dishonesty among people on the left, I should say. - Bren -- Not Grinchy

Yes, Tiffany I know abortion dates back to Roman times. Do you know what happened to th Roman empire? - Melanie Reed

Rob: by moving the supply and demand curves the point of intersection changes, but not the other way around - Mike Chelen

@Bren - I am being extremely straightforward. My whole argument is based entirely on a centuries-old, proven reliable economic theory. You don't want to accept it because it conflicts with what you WANT to be true. - Rob Sterling

It is really hard for me to comprehend this emotion that there is some reason to see declining birth rates as threatening. I see population pressure creating public health and environmental issues worldwide, including the United States. I just don't get it. - Jason Wehmhoener

Melanie please describe in detail what happened to Rome. - Andrizzle Gizzle

Louis: MRI cost influences the supply curve, the overall rate would still depend on the demand curve - Mike Chelen

@Mike - No, the price of intersection is just one snapshot. Ex: If t-shirts are going for $50, more people will want to get in the t-shirt business than if they're going for $5. - Rob Sterling

@Jason - Declining birth rates are a very bad thing. They are destabilizing and create social problems, especially in support of the elderly. They're something to wish on your enemies, and to try to avoid at home. - Rob Sterling

no. that is not true, Rob. again. that's okay. I can see that we will get nowhere in this discussion, because you want to treat abortion as though it were the same as any other commodity, and that price is the primary factor keeping the rate of abortion where it is, or that lowering the price will somehow raise the abortion rate (which you can not show one single precedent for). - Bren -- Not Grinchy

For those of you wondering, here's the original quote: ""You think abortion is wrong? Don’t have one. I think killing people is wrong, so I’m not in the army. My tax dollars still go to fund it, though (in fact about 21 cents of each of my tax dollars). My tax dollars also go to keep prisoners on death row even though I think the death penalty is morally wrong. My tax dollars fund... more... - Steven Perez

and you want to use a "centuries old, proven economic model" to advance *your* moral code. - Bren -- Not Grinchy

@Rob, unwanted children also create significant social problems. These issues aren't well solved by blanket statements. We need the right to choose so that appropriate choices can be made for unique situations. - Jason Wehmhoener

@Bren - I just want my country to avoid the social mistakes other countries have made. - Rob Sterling

where is the evidence of these social mistakes, Rob? edit: still, I wait for anything resembling a precedent for the astronomic rise in abortion you are foretelling... - Bren -- Not Grinchy

so history books are wrong and abortion was responsible for the fall of the roman empire? what? and what on earth does a woman not being able to find a husband or get pregnant "some other way" have to do with abortion? seems to me that woman wouldn't need one because pregnancy would not be an issue for her. *confused* - tiffany

BREN HAVE YOU ALREADY FORGOTTEN ABOUT ROME??? - Andrizzle Gizzle

@Jason - Women who don't want children but get pregnant should abort them or put them up for adoption. - Rob Sterling

And from there, we ended up talking about why our country would be economically destroyed if the black people, who some believe are collectively dumber than a bag of hammers, had ready access to free abortions and accidentally aborted themselves into oblivion. Yeah, I'm still trying to figure that one out. - Steven Perez

I think he's afraid of being unwanted and uncared for in old age. Sadly, forcing women to have children isn't likely to solve that problem. - Jason Wehmhoener

@Rob, ok, so can the abortion be covered by insurance then? - Jason Wehmhoener

Does everyone here know about Margaret Sanger? Just asking. - Rob Sterling

i am going to hide this thread because some folks have just stopped making sense. and no, that's not because it's past my bed time. it's you. EDIT: margaret sanger? *facepalm* would it help you to know that african women also seek abortions. seeking abortions is a part of the human condition. - tiffany

tiffany: <3 - Bren -- Not Grinchy

@Jason - If an insurance company wants to offer that, sure. I don't run an insurance company. - Rob Sterling

On a separate note: I love how some folks don't think that this country isn't smart enough to take someone else's good ideas (like democracy, fer instance) and apply it to our own situation. We can't have socialized medicine because it wouldn't work? So adapt it to fit. That's what we do. That's how this country was made great - we took everyone else's good ideas and made them work. Apparently, though, we're not that smart anymore. Shame, really. - Steven Perez

I deleted that last comment, because it was reductive in the extreme, and would only serve to take us backward in the conversation. - Bren -- Not Grinchy

@Bren - No, I would not be running an insurance company. And I would no longer have a choice about where I buy my insurance and what plan I purchase. - Rob Sterling

huh? - Jason Wehmhoener

really? I haven't seen that plan, Rob... could you link to it? - Bren -- Not Grinchy

Steven: with all this, how do you find time to NaNo your WriMo? - T. Brent, technopeasant

The only HCR bills I have seen do nothing to eliminate private insurance. - Bren -- Not Grinchy

I doubt you've seen any plan. Have the Democrats finally got around to putting the bill online? - Rob Sterling

@Rob, really? You wouldn't have a choice of insurance? Citation, please. - vicster needs a nap

You mean, this one, Rob? http://docs.house.gov/rules... - Steven Perez

phew, ok, time for me to punch out on this idiocy. - Jason Wehmhoener

"Wow, Steven, how'd you find that?" "Well, kids, there's this thing called Google ..." - Steven Perez

I think he's waiting for Rush to let him know it's online. - Andrizzle Gizzle

Are you kidding, Rob? I posted this http://ff.im/6VIfE , on August 20. - Bren -- Not Grinchy

@Bren - I'm not going to get into a larger discussion about socialized medicine and what may or may not come out of the conference committee. All I'm interested in here is the original free abortion discussion and social consequences. - Rob Sterling

Sen. Max Baucus, for example, six weeks ago: http://www.reddit.com/r... - Rob Sterling

Rob, that's the issue, you read this and all you saw was that it was about abortion. Did you even keep reading once you got past the word abortion? - Andrizzle Gizzle

Anyway, this is silly. If abortion gets cheaper, more people will want them. I thought that would be self-evident to everyone, but I guess not. Good night. - Rob Sterling

And yet, Rob, two people in this thread found it quickly. - Steven Perez

Rob: the notion that if abortions get cheaper more people will want them is just intellectually lazy and dishonest. I'm done, with this conversation. - Bren -- Not Grinchy

No one chooses to go get abortions like they are some kind of consumer good. That's why you fail. - Andrizzle Gizzle

@Bren, you just took the words right out of my keyboard! - vicster needs a nap

What Bren said. - Steven Perez

T. Brent: uh oh, I knew I forgot something. o_O - Steven Perez

First they screamed about having to pay for the education, feeding and housing of other people's children. Now they're screaming about the possibility of paying a LOT LESS to avoid paying for the education, feeding and housing of other people's children. It really doesn't make any sense to me. - MiniMage TKDteacher of FF

Me, neither. And I was here for all of it. - Steven Perez

That was my point from the beginning, Dragon. Abortions are not subject to the same market forces as, say, tee shirts. The argument that lowering the price would boost demand is just not supportable. The counterargument, that raising the price astronomically would lower the rate of abortion is fine, but not relevant. What Rob was saying is there, essentially "a:b :: b:a" which is not always true. - Bren -- Not Grinchy

Dear internet people, arguing about abortion is completely pointless. - Chrimmus Tad

In any case, I would guess that Rob is morally opposed to abortion, and sees readily available reproductive health services as a social ill. Instead of being honest and saying that, he tried to use economics to make his case, but was unable to really do so. Tad: in the current environment, there is actually a point to debating this, though normally I would agree with you. - Bren -- Not Grinchy

Dear Tad: do I tell you how to have fun on a Sunday night? :D - Steven Perez

Someone, perhaps not Rob, also tried to instill fear (oh noes, the brown people will disappear!) instead of arguing morality. Wait, that's not fair. Perhaps frightening people wasn't intended. - MiniMage TKDteacher of FF

-- depends what abortion - that one in case of rape, mother's life in danger or incest should be mandatory by law. .. that other one - 'oops we do not want family now' .. i would leave it legal and available, but discourage it - Petr Buben

Melanie: that only considers two possible outcomes, when there are many different kinds of situations. many children are thankfully born healthy, yet in other case there can be significant and dangerous medical issues - Mike Chelen

Rob: the prices at which vendors might sell a good is the supply curve, and the price elasticity of supply is its overall slope - Mike Chelen

*skipping a whole bunch of comments* Dear Rob, Don't worry about black genocide. Lots of black people will keep pumping out the babies, promise. I bet a few of them will even end up having their entire existence paid for by the government (yay poverty!). Hope you're ready to pay for those babies you insist people have. - EricaJoy

The only answer you will get is that your wrong. They are right. Thats the end of the subject in their mind. Thank you for reading. - CW™

I don't think it's wrong, but I don't think that killing people is still right. People should think before they bring kids to this world. Sometimes it's better not to bring a child to this cold and crazy world as there is already so many suffering from bad homes, and many doesn't even have no food. If we would take care of them first it would be great. All depends on everything. There... more... - Nia

What's amazing to me right now about this whole abortion debate are the people who are screaming the loudest about not wanting the government to have any say in their healthcare are screaming just as loudly for the government to have a say in women's choices in healthcare. (Will be kicking myself after I have more coffee for even commenting.) - Trish R

Frivolous abortions are wrong, just like frivolous litigation. Gender equality in heath care, however, is a must. To deny women the same access to health care is barbaric and wrong. And a big part of women's health care is preventive health care including birth control options. - Rene Wirtz

Tiffany (though I have a feeling you won't see this) - a woman's fertility starts to markedly decline after age 35. There are also more risks during pregnancy and birth after that age. Also the assumption that all healthy women are fertile is very wrong. Then you have subfertility, secondary infertility... Remember too that there is a difference between infertile and sterile. I am infertile and I have a son. - Mellissa Claus

+++++++++ Trish. - Alix Whitmire

Kevin Fox

Dvorak in 1984: "There is no evidence that people want to use these 'mice'. I don’t want one of these new fangled devices."

October 29 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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Anytime someone uses the phrase 'new-fangled', their opinion gets defenestrated on the spot. - Akiva Moskovitz

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Anytime someone uses the phrase "defenstrated," their opinion gets lauded on the spot. - Stephen Mack

Ah, he was just trolling. It's what Dvorak does best. :D - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

He'll say anything to get readers. - Scott Ludwig from iPhone

Almost anything. Here is a video of Dvorak explaining to Winer how he stirs the pot-http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Parody

Does anyone actually read Dvorak anymore? - Joel Webber

@jgv I type Dvorak - does it count? - Irrational homeophobe

I like him. He's like a grumpy uncle. I remember reading his articles in the free MicroTimes magazine. - Rodfather

@Robin: I sincerely hope your typing in Dvorak doesn't make the result any harder to read :) - Joel Webber

His ability to be completely wrong in his predictions is legendary. And to contradict himself. - Kevin Pedraja

I like Dvorak a lot. Tech Journalism needs more contrarians - Hari

No it doesn't! - Akiva Moskovitz

Just got my Magic Mouse today - really like it. - Jesse Stay

It has a few shortcomings. It doesn't play nearly as well in a Windows 7 VM nor in Synergy. But overall I like it. And I'm normally a trackball guy. - Akiva Moskovitz

In Dvorak's defense, who really likes the mouse? It's not elegant in any way - just a pointer - it's a kluge between the technology we had in the 80s and the presumably brilliant interfaces of the future. - Rob Sterling

I love listening to Dvorak. He knows his stuff, he doesn't always troll. And he's got a great "I'm a grumpy grandfather" voice. - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

Dvorak is absolutely right. There's no evidence people want them. And he doesn't want one. Case closed. - Stephen Mack

Personally, I'd like a combination of a full keyboard and a stylus pen rather than the keyboard/mouse setup. - Rishabh Mishra (p248)

I don't like the mouse. I do, however, love me some trackpad and tablet/touch screen display. - Miss Elle

Trevor Dickerson

So @bethpetty informed me that Short Pump is half way to Charlottesville. True story: I need a travel agent to help me plan downtown trips.

October 30 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

Short Pump is halfway to Charlottesville (if you're starting in Williamsburg). - Rob Sterling

Fa La La La Lindsay

It's the Google Cat Wave.

October 2 - Comment - Like - Share

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via http://friendfeed.com/wrzl... - Fa La La La Lindsay

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Man that's insane. - Fa La La La Lindsay

Bob Barker was right. - Mike Nencetti

Why are they not eating her??? - Shannon

:O ... :D - Josh Haley

Just imagine the noise too. - Fa La La La Lindsay

Imagine the dander. Imagine the sneezing. - Josh Haley

*wishing I had a reason to say shopped* - Micah Wittman

Yes, Josh, I think I would keel over dead within 2 minutes of stepping in that house with my cat allergy. - Fa La La La Lindsay

Cat Lady!!! - Hutch Carpenter

Dig if you will the picture. You are now engaged in a HISSSSRAAAAWRRRR! FFFFFT! GRREEEEEEER! - Josh Haley

I would laugh but I find this a little upsetting. This sort of (human) behaviour is now recognised as a clinical condition and is not very beneficial to theses cats. Judging from their activity they look very confined and obviously starving. - Kevin J Hatton

I bet that she's not married. - Davis Freeberg

One cat for every ended relationship. - Jemm

Why won't the mute button work? - dthree

Oh my! - Kol Tregaskes

I agree, Kevin. It is very disturbing. I hope whoever took the video then helped take care of the problem! - Fa La La La Lindsay

Do not want! Do not want! - Rob Sterling

Mom? - MVB (Grinch of FF)

This is fake. If you look closely you can see cats merging together and appearing out of impossible spaces. Likely a compositing of many, many shots of cats jumping around, with the women interacting with a very small number of cats. - Sparky

But why is she throwing food on the floor if there are only a few cats? - Fa La La La Lindsay

She has adopted 130 stray cats. See the video in my feed. In it they seem to be in good health :) - Jemm from fftogo

Wow. I like cats, but that would drive me nuts. - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF

Thanks for the background info, Jemm (http://friendfeed.com/jemm...) Good to know! Also, by the way, I like your background on your feed! - Fa La La La Lindsay

Achoo! - Grant Bierman

Still, that's way too many cats for me... - Dennis Jernberg

#flamethrower - LANjackal

crazy! - Patrik Johansson

@ Jemm Thanks for the back story, it does put a different reflection on it. I would not criticise her actions, as under those circumstances I have to confess that I might behave in a similar way. What is missing though is some sort of rational long term plan that is good for all. I hope that some assistance is available to help both the Cats and this woman, who obviously is expressing genuine compassion. For that, I applaud her. - Kevin J Hatton

Mistletoe Glen

The new Morgan Hill Wal*Mart

September 20 from email - Comment - Like - Share

Oh, I fully understand. I'm too good to shop here, too. We were just checking it out since it opened last week. - Mistletoe Glen from iPhone

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Wow. Seems really dark. Is that so you can't see the products or your fellow shoppers? :P - CAJ, somewhere else

It does seem dark. This used to be a Target (white floors, white ceilings, etc.), and they've stripped off all the flooring and now have plain textured concrete, so it's a much darker appearance overall. - Mistletoe Glen

@angrykeyboarder - Good! More for me. - Rob Sterling

How does the Morgan Hill Walmart treat their employees or customers? - Mistletoe Glen

Trevor Carpenter

Just picked up my very 1st Ruger Mini-14. W00t! Shootin' this weekend!

September 21 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

Awesome! Between the two, I decided on the Kel-Tec SUB-2000, fairly recently. (But I want the Mini-14, also.) - Rob Sterling

I saw that Kel-Tec, looks interesting. Kinda cool that it folds up. - Trevor Carpenter

Brooks Bayne

finally someone on tv is calling out the hard left influences on obama's worldview. #tcot 'bout time.

September 22 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

Does this person have a name? - Rob Sterling

JIDF

Britain: Christian hotel owners charged with criminal offense "insulting" muslim guest - http://www.thejidf.org/2009...

September 22 from Jewish Internet Defense Force - Comment - Like - Share

The UK was a nice country while it lasted. - Rob Sterling

Mistletoe Glen

Long-term exposure to radiation is beneficial to humans - http://www.scienceboard.net/communi...

September 21 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

A very intriguing study. - Mistletoe Glen from Bookmarklet

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Pass. - Rob Sterling

this is how they're going to justify bringing jack bauer back, right? - Trish Haley

Wow. So radiation treatment doesn't have to wait until after cancer develops? - Kevin L

Brad Williamson to Brad's feed, Media News and Analysis, Funny Pics and Videos, Funny Funny, US Politics, World News & Politics

"The PETA Files" -- PETA's idea of a good blog name (HA!) - http://blog.peta.org/#

September 21 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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FAIL-Y, FAIL, FAIL!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA! - Brad Williamson from Bookmarklet

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Oh man...these dumbasses are just jumping shark after shark after shark...(oh wait...is shark jumping cruel?) - ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift

Hahahahahahahahahah!!!! - Kenton

ROFL - Shey, Jamaican of FF

It took me a moment, but, lol - Richard Lawler

i just got it. ha! - Jessie

What are those things? - John (a.k.a. dendroica)

Ha! - Katy S

organiser of the blog, a mr. peter philes... odd guy, so i've been told.. - Terry O'Fee

This post is Pedobear approved... - MVB (Grinch of FF)

I wonder how long it's gonna take for them to change it? Personally, I'm hoping they don't. - Brad Williamson

/b/ - Josh Haley

this is the best thing I have read today. - holly

*shaves a cat and dips it in sri racha* - Joe Silence is not Santa

oh.... muahaha... oh damn?? uhh that's bad :-P - Rasmus Lauridsen

Oh, those aren't REAL seals. - Rob Sterling

Someone on reddit linked to this http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Alejandro

Jason Calacanis

Which would you rather own: Lamborghini or Tesla Roadster? thoughts on new hard top for Tesla?! :) - http://www.flickr.com/photos...

September 20 from Flickr - Comment - Like - Share

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Tesla of course :) - fakedave

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Tesla. Looks better plus environmentally friendly ;) - Dakota O'Neill

Tesla all the way. - Jeff Smith

Lambo. I'm mid 30s and growing up when I did who didn't want a Lambo? - Jim Graham

Audi R8 - HansVanRock

Tesla. - Rob Sterling

Pinto - Josh Haley from iPhone

Pinto hatchback...lol...Josh...I used to have one...loved it... - Bill Heslin

A to B, man. - Josh Haley from iPhone

Take the Lambo. Sell it. Buy more than one Tesla. - Christopher A Carr

I'd get the Tesla, of course. ;) - Dennis Jernberg

Depends am I the enviromentally responsible me or the me that says yes I am rich, look upon me and be jealous. If it's A then tesla, if it's B then the Lamboguini - Kim Landwehr

Jolie O'Dell

@TechFrog Yeah, I'm not a big Fourquare fan. I've never, ever used it! I just like to be friends with my friends. =p

September 19 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

Crowley needs to add more cities! It's not in Richmond, yet! - Rob Sterling

Christopher Harley

Can You Solve This Rebus?

September 18 - Comment - Like - Share

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All takers are welcome! - Christopher Harley

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I've got faith in y'all! - Christopher Harley

C'mon, internetters! - Christopher Harley

Well, I see Pi-rats. Not sure about the rest so far. - John (a.k.a. dendroica)

You're in for it, John! - Christopher Harley

I am confuzzled by "Elmo minus needle" - Stephen Mack

This one has a looser narrative. - Christopher Harley

Looks like Cookie Monster - John (a.k.a. dendroica)

of course. that's pieratshamburglarcookiemonsterminussyringefonziepattyonthefence. duh. - Call me Bronco

oh wait. Pirates! hmmm. - Call me Bronco

You're sooooo close, Sarah! - Christopher Harley

arrrrrrr. we have to go eat though. i'll leave it for others to solve... - Call me Bronco

The plots from multiple Family Guy episodes. - Penguin It's Cold Outside

TOO HARD @_@ - Chieze Okoye

It's easy, Chieze. Nice and easy. - Christopher Harley

Pirates burglar monster-syringe fonz fence patty... hrm - Matt Mastracci

Gawdamn. Mark got it! I'm shocked and amazed. - Christopher Harley

I would have settled for, "Pirates stole The Cookie Monster's heroin and sold it to Fonzie through a obese fence named Patty." Or, well, just about anything. Honestly. - Christopher Harley

Mark Wilson comes from behind! That's what she said. - Josh Haley

That's not a rebus: it's an enigma! - Matt Mastracci

Josh, strangely enough, that's also the answer. - Christopher Harley

Dunno, but I'm pretty sure it involves Fat Patty's Cookies: http://fatpattyscookies.com - Rob Sterling

You're right, Rob! - Christopher Harley

Brooks Bayne

"federal judge allows obama eligibility case to go forward" http://www.sonorannews.com/archive... #tcot no comment...

September 13 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

Crap. I hope this doesn't turn out to be real. The whole birth certificate issue is such a clusterf_ck. - Rob Sterling

Akiva Moskovitz

Weight Update — Current: 223.2; Original: 231.8; Goal: 174.0.

September 11 - Comment - Like - Share

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Almost forgot! - Akiva Moskovitz

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Keep it up - RAPatton

keep going! myself, i'm on day 4 of the induction phase of South Beach and my pants are already getting a bit looser. we're gonna win! - Joe Silence is not Santa

Heck yeah we are! - Akiva Moskovitz

I forgot for a moment that you use your own units over there.. still impressive though:) - Thomas Bøhm

What day are you on Akiva? Is this one week because that's pretty good nearly 9 pounds in week. - Jimminy Fuller

End of week two. - Akiva Moskovitz

Still not bad, keep going slow and it'll be easier to keep off, no yo-yo'ing. - Jimminy Fuller

Good luck. - Joe

I wish I was 223 :( keep up the good work, tho - Josh Haley

You lost 7 pounds so you are well on your way. - Joe

You must have a heavy metal core because you don't look nearly that heavy. - Rob Sterling

Mazel Tov. - Eric Logan

Rob, thanks! All my life people have told me that I carry my weight well. Although weight loss seems to be the goal here, it's mainly just trying to be more healthy. I want to live as long as I can as well as I can so I can be as much of a part of my childrens' life as possible. - Akiva Moskovitz

dang, if i could get down to 250 lbs. then i would be really fucking happy about it. i'm 6'1" so i could carry that easily. - Joe Silence is not Santa

Ah, I'm only 4'11". - Akiva Moskovitz

YOU LIE!! - Chrimmus Tad

D'OH CAUGHT IN A WEB OF MY OWN DECEIT. - Akiva Moskovitz

Akiva you have got to be kidding? - Jimminy Fuller

I'm 5'9". - Akiva Moskovitz

my weight loss is also so i can see my kids grow up and start their lives. that and so i can have more rampant rumpy pumpy with me wife! :D - Joe Silence is not Santa

I'm with ya, brother. It's a hard road but it has to be walked. - Akiva Moskovitz

I'm taller horizontally than vertically while standing up. - imabonehead

Alex Scrivener

Sweet merciful fates! The Fleshlight Motion - http://www.crunchgear.com/2009...

September 9 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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"The Fleshlight Motion [NSFW] is a box that you put your penis in. It comes in multiple styles including Dalek, that little square droid on the Jawa’s vehicle, and GoodGodImMakingLovetoaBlockofFoamINeedtoMoveOutofMyParentsHouse. Seriously. I don’t even know what’s going on here. There’s even an optional saddle bag." - Alex Scrivener from Bookmarklet

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I had a no idea a fuck toy could liberate me. Who do I make my check out to? - Brad Williamson

i would have been excited about this around 1983. - Joe Silence is not Santa

It says hands free, but he's using his hands. FALSE ADVERTISING! - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Human civilization is fucking doomed. - Rob Sterling

Um... wow. Since I'm on a work computer, I'm totally NOT clicking the link! - Ladybug Heather

Bedroom Adventure Gear.. WTF! - Jacque

Perfect man gear, it gives you orgasms and looks like it belongs in a tool shed. Purrrfect! - JSLeFanu

The things they come up with. - Dennis Jernberg

hehehehehe. silly - FFTornado

Of course, you guys know we're still waiting for the sex robots to come out. ;) - Dennis Jernberg

It's the end of the species. Men will just sit around making love to those blocks all day. - Morton Fox

It's like when Fry downloaded Lucy Lui into a robot in "I dated a robot" on Futurama - it'll be "Fear of a bot planet" next! Fleeee! - WorldofHiglet

How about a synthetic body feature? - Kurt Starnes

Plus - Worst. Modelling. Job. Ever. - WorldofHiglet

Akiva Moskovitz

One day people will learn that as long as you keep fostering an us-vs.-them environment, there will always be a 'them' against your 'us'.

September 9 - Comment - Like - Share

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+++ akiva i want to scream when friends try and justify our current obstructionist tactics with "they did it first" someone at some point has to cowboy up and break the cycle - Marco(aureliusmaximus)

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The whole point of our system of government is mutual obstruction. As long as the politicians are fucking with one another, they lack the ability to fuck with us. That's the genius of it. - Rob Sterling

the whole point of our system is checks and balances which equates to mutual accountability, not obstruction - in an ideal world both sides would be equally dedicated to solving problems for the people they represent first and foremost and express that dedication by passionately offering practical solutions or counter-solutions - out system was not created so that bored citizens could get elected and spend their time playing political games to pass the time - Marco(aureliusmaximus)

The checks and balances need to be checked and balanced. They're horribly broken and could use a trip to the repair shop. - Give 'Em DBizness

Our system was set up to prevent government from taking aggressive action internally. That's why the executive has a free hand only in international matters. The federal government was never meant to be a part of citizens' daily lives, it was set up to squabble and only to reach consensus in the face of true crisis. - Rob Sterling

that was certainly a huge part of why our system was structured the way it was but it was also acknowledged that government was a vital and necessary part of a functioning society. additionally the "that's not what our founding fathers meant the government to be" argument can only extend so far before one must acknowledge that it only truly applies in the fullest if the world we live in today is exactly as it was back then - Marco(aureliusmaximus)

Rob Sterling

Gun Nut Blog - http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs...

September 9 from delicious - Comment - Like - Share

The most awesome gun blog I've yet come across. - Rob Sterling

Laura Lou Who

Morgan Freeman just told me (via a commercial) to let my freak flag fly. Not sure how I feel about that.

September 4 - Comment - Like - Share

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DO YOU GOTS A FREAK FLAG? - ha3rvey (doesn't dance)

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DO ANYBODY NO Y HA3RVEY IS USING ALL CAPS - Baroness Von SmashAHomie

CAPS ARE A SIGN OF AWESOMENESS. - ha3rvey (doesn't dance)

DO ANYBODY NO IF THE BARONESS IS WEARING SLACKS? - Ayşe E.

DO ANYBODY NO WHY HARVEY GOTS A TREE IN IT? - Josh Haley

I AM POSTING JUST BECAUSE I NEVER GET TO OTHERWISE IN CAPS :) - MB Linder

BARONESS + SOFA = NO PANTS - Baroness Von SmashAHomie

I NEEDZ TO MAKE ONE. - Laura Lou Who

DO ANYBODY NO WHY JOSH HALEY KEEP EDITING HIS COMMENT - Baroness Von SmashAHomie

SOFA + NO PANTS = WIN; BARONESS = WIN; BARONESS + SOFA + NO PANTS = WIN^2 - ha3rvey (doesn't dance)

Slow it down, man. Slow. It. Down. - Rob Sterling

How you say? Take two tabs of LSD and call me in the morning. - Joe

SLACKS FREE IN 1993!!! - Baroness Von SmashAHomie

I'm in sleepy pants. Is that okay? - CAJ, somewhere else

ROB, DON'T HATE US BECAUSE WE'RE BEAUTIFUL - Baroness Von SmashAHomie

I DO HAS A PIC OF ME AND A NON-FREAKY MORGAN FREEMAN: http://www.flickr.com/photos... - Laura Lou Who

GET BUSY LIVIN' OR GET BUSY DYIN' . . . OH, WRONG MOVIE - Baroness Von SmashAHomie

NOW I AM STUCK IN CAPS... - MB Linder

CAPS LOCK IS CAPS ROCK! - Laura Lou Who

DO ANYBODY NO WHAT IT LIKE TO SPELL KNOW INSTEAD OF NO LIKE I SHOOD, SO I GOTS TEH FIK IT? - Josh Haley

whoa ... FF seems a bit tense tonite - Brent - Loving Life

BRENT, IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE US, YOU MIGHT WANNA SIT THIS ONE OUT - Baroness Von SmashAHomie

DO ANYBODY NO WHY BRENT THINKS WE'RE TENSE? - Laura Lou Who

JOSH DO NOT ANYBODY NO - Josh Haley

CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL. - CAJ, somewhere else

I'M CHANNELING MY INNER AKIVER WHEN I USE CAPS LOCK. - Laura Lou Who

THIS THREAD WINS FRIENDFOOD. FRIENDFOOD!! - Baroness Von SmashAHomie

DO ANYBODY NO WHO DELIVERS FRIENDFOOD? I HAS A HUNGRY. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

I EAT SPAM - Josh Haley

Yeah, I think I will sit this one out. It's funny, but scary at the same time. - Brent - Loving Life

BRENT CAN'T HANDLE US RIDIN' AROUND ON OUR FIXIES WEARIN' OUR SKINNY SLACKS - Baroness Von SmashAHomie

I just hoping this freak flying thing don't become common place. - Brent - Loving Life

FRIED SPAM SANWICHES TO GO. - CAJ, somewhere else

NOW I WANT A BACON GRILLED CHEESE SAMMICH - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

*RAISES HER FREAK FLAG ON HER FLAG POLE* - Laura Lou Who

DOUBLE BACON SWISS BURGER FOR ME, THANKS. - CAJ, somewhere else

you guys is cwazy - Brent - Loving Life

BRENT IS PROLLY WEARING SLACKS. RELAX, BRENT! CHILL SLACKS-LESS ON THE SOFA! - Ayşe E.

Actually in shorts with my slippers on. Just think, this will be in my best of day tomorrow - scary thought. - Brent - Loving Life

TURN ON YOUR CAPS LOCK, BRENT! ("ONE OF US... ONE OF US...") - Laura Lou Who

REMOVE THEM SLACKS, REMOVE THE BARRIERS IN THE ROAD - Baroness Von SmashAHomie

*DROPS PANTS* - CAJ, somewhere else

It's that whole non conformist thing. - Brent - Loving Life

DO ANYBODY NO *WHICH* 3% IS SHREK? - Ayşe E.

I THINK IT'S THE 3% THAT IS GREEN. - Laura Lou Who

Oh me Gawd, I didn't have to wait for it to show up tomorrow on best of day, it's here now ... runs away in horror ... - Brent - Loving Life

DO ANYBODY NO IF BRENT CAN RUN IN SLIPPERS? - Ayşe E.

DO ANYBODY NO WHY BRENT HAZ COLD FEET AND HOT LEGS? - Laura Lou Who

It's a Californian thing. - Brent - Loving Life

BRENT, THERE IS NO ESCAPE FROM THE AWESOMOSITY OF THIS THREAD - Baroness Von SmashAHomie

DO ANYBODY NO ABOUT THE THREAD THAT NEVER ENDS, IT JUST GOES ON AND ON MY FRIEND... - CAJ, somewhere else

*wonders where he put his freak flag* - MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS

DO ANYBODY KNOW IF A FREAK FLAG CAN TOUCH TEH GROUND? DO I HAZ TO BURN IT NAO? - Gunny doesn't side-hug™

DO ANYBODY NO WHY DIS THRED WOKE ME UP? - Steven Perez from Android

DO ANYBODY NO HOW BUNNEH GOT IN DIS THREAD - Baroness Von SmashAHomie

DO ANYBODY NO WHY EVERYWUN TINKS AHM A BUNNEH? - Steven Perez from IM

the cotton tail? - MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS

do anybody no where my caps lock key went? - CAJ, somewhere else

CAJ, I FOUND YUR KAPS LOK KEY BUT LOSST MY SPELCHEK - Laura Lou Who

NO PANTS SINCE YESTERDAY - ha3rvey (doesn't dance)

DO ANYBODY NO IF HA3RVEY NEED TO DRAPE A FREAK FLAG OVER HIS PANTSLESS SELF - Laura Lou Who

1UP Laura - Derrick

I'M STILL SANS SLACKS FROM LAST NIGHT - Baroness Von SmashAHomie

DO ANYBODY NO WHY THE BARONESS'S USE OF "SLACKS" ALWAYS CRACK ME UP - Laura Lou Who

PANTSLESS AND NAPPY. ZZZ - CAJ, somewhere else

I can handle this thread a lot better now that the sun is out. - Brent - Loving Life

O HAI, BRENT! - Laura Lou Who

Hello Laura. Ya doing good today? You might want to listen to what Trish found - http://ff.im/7IuYL - Brent - Loving Life

I'm still wearing pants. - MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS

DO ANYONE NO WHY LAURA IS WEARING PANTS? - Gunny doesn't side-hug™

Excuse me, but just WTF are Zombie Grits? On second thought, I don't want to know! (And the sun is starting to fade away) - Brent - Loving Life

Brent, I like your name! Also, *bump*! - Laura Lou Who

Kevin Fox

Where am I?

September 4 from email - Comment - Like - Share

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Laundry room? - Micah Wittman

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Dude, put your pants back on. - Neal Krummell

On the set of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert. - Spidra Webster

Someplace far from a Jeep dealership. - Rob Sterling

The Wild, wild west - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick

The Red Planet! - Matt G

Has to be Australia. - Penny

The Outback steakhouse: http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-... - Simon

in front of yr TV set or pc or lap top etc.... nice screen captrre - Demetrios the Traveller

Simon for the win!!! (Penny, you were very close.) - Kevin Fox

Jesse Stay

I've had a few reporters come to me saying the "average" user is getting tired of Twitter. I never saw this with Facebook. What do you think?

September 6 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

dunno if I'm average, but I'd say that describes my feeling. I don't like or use facebook much, but moreso lately. Would love to find the next cool thing, soon. - motownmutt

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disagree - R. Ferguson

I'm tired of Twitter, and I'm average in that I'm in the right age demographic of those who use Twitter most. - cecily

I think that the average user doesn't even use Twitter and is probably just tired of hearing about it. - Akiva Moskovitz

I'm an average twitter user, I'm tired of hearing of twitter as THE solution. Will the world stop innovating because there's twitter and facebook? - directeur

@Akiva: +4 for true words spoken in jest. - AJ Kohn

I mean if people lose interest in new ideas, we'll see twitter and facebook being taught in universities. ugh!! - directeur

The world can't stop innovating because of twitter: twitter has almost no features, such that people need to create "twitter apps" to add to its usefulness. - Andy Bakun

Does it make sense that you would have seen this with facebook in the past? Things go in cycles, if people truly are getting tired of twitter, they will eventually tire of facebook too. I bet this is more of a function of tiring of the people they are interacting with on the services, than on the services themselves (I know I don't talk to a lot of of the people I used to because I eventually found them uninteresting). - Andy Bakun

I've met so many people via Twitter that my social calendar is now too busy to tweet regularly. - Rob Sterling

The novelty wears off all new toys. If there are less and less new friends to share the toy with, use will drop. - CAJ, somewhere else

CAJ, good point. Part of the novelty of, uh, novelty is knowing about something before someone else does. When everyone knows about it, no one can one-up anyone else (by bragging, being a leader, or by helping out). - Andy Bakun

I have met some great folks, so I'm not entirely dissing the service, it does become less useful when you get a network that you need third party apps to manage. I could probably be a more focused user and gain more from it, but for now, it's just an unmetered firehose. I'm not getting or giving as much value as I could from a more targeted network, (again, the way I use the service is to blame, not entirely the service's fault) - motownmutt

If by adverage you mean the weekly tweeter, then yes. Getting anything out of Twitter requires constant engagement. Those users who do, arn't tired of Twitter. - Roberto Bonini from iPhone

I average over 20 tweets/day, I'm at least somewhat engaged. Not very effectively, though. - motownmutt

Josh Haley

Pick two

September 4 - Comment - Like - Share

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ummmmm, this confuses me. I want to choose a Chinese Buffet, that would be right? But i feel there is something far more complex behind it that i dont get.. :'( - Me and Maths were never friends. - Simon Wicks

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Simon, if you want a Chinese buffet, it cannot also be good. If you want a good buffet, it cannot be Chinese. If you want good Chinese, it won't be a buffet. - Rochelle

Im ok with it not being good, i only really eat the rice and chips when i go to them anyway. Cant really go wrong with those! - Simon Wicks

LOL Simon. I like "bad" food too sometimes - Josh Haley

Thank goodness I live near cities where all 3 are possible. *makes goo-goo eyes at Alhambra and Rosemead* - Admiral Anika

FLAWLESS VICTORY. - ha3rvey (doesn't dance)

This is both hilarious and true. - Rob Sterling

*eats bad rice and chips* Nom nom nom - Simon Wicks

Chinese food has chips? - Rochelle

Does when i order it! - Simon Wicks

I need to show this to my kids. Note: the quality of the food is inversely proportional to the number of words in the buffet restaurant's name. i.e.: Double Super Extra Mega Jade Garden Palace Buffet is gonna be truly awful. - ha3rvey (doesn't dance)

LOL! That's a great rule of thumb, ha3rvey! - Fa La La La Lindsay

So ha3rvey, what does that mean for the local "OK Chinese Food"? - Louis Gray

LOL - Shey, Jamaican of FF

I'm with Anika. If all three are not possible, you need to live in a better city :) - Victor Ganata

I already knew that for sure, Victor. I got got zapped by the horrible Chinese buffet before. - Kamilah Gill

I give this diagram five Michelin stars (in a fortune cookie to take home). - Micah Wittman

trilemma - Sinem Co

Ahh, but there is a fourth option: Good Chinese Dian Xin/Dim Sum, which is a sort of semi-buffet where you have to pay for each dish (but they're much cheaper than Tapas with larger portions), but you get lots of variety. - Ray Cromwell

Josh Haley

This could come in handy.

$fractal-mano[1].jpg$

September 4 - Comment - Like - Share

Want to impress me, do the Vulcan "Live Long and Prosper" salute with all of those hands. - Joe Pierce

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o hai - Josh Haley

Gonna give me nightmares. - Rob Sterling

Lesbian porn. - Spidra Webster

Fractal - Moses

Now there is something you don't see everyday. - Brent - Loving Life

That's...disturbing. - CAJ, somewhere else

creepy... - MB Linder

I think it's photo shopped. - Brent - Loving Life

The little fingers need fingers, and so on... - Christopher A Carr

Christopher, those fingers have hands. - Brent - Loving Life

one out of five is a left hand, the others are right hands :D - Moses

Are you sure it's just not a horizontal flip on the supposed left hand on the fingers on the hand? And what if this is a macro shot of one of the hands from the five other fingers this hand is attached to, eh? - Brent - Loving Life

Josh does this kinda shit just to drive us nuts. - Brent - Loving Life

fractal it - Noah David Simon

I gotta hand it to you, you handled the idea really well... - Gus

My desktop now - http://ff.im/7GEMM - Brent - Loving Life

Its an Escher-.ian study of hands - Melanie Reed

The subordinate hands should be drawing the superordinate hand...recursive-hand-fractal-strange-loop-thing. - Christopher A Carr

Ayşe E.

OMG, I just spent the morning re-prosecuting the Iraq War w/ colleague who tried to pretend that BushCo. acted in good faith. #wtf #ohhellno

September 4 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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Honestly, and this is a colleague I love, but the relentless give-them-the-benefit-of-the-doubt/respect-for-the-office-ism is, is ... well, I've lost all patience w/ willfully ignoring the facts at hand. She knows better, and I don't mean that in any patronizing way. She does actually know the deal, and I was able to convince her eventually that whitewashing is both irresponsible and anti-American. The Constitution either means something or it doesn't. Sh*t. #powerfist - Ayşe E.

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Frustrating but sounds like some good came from your efforts. Thank you. - Maria Niles

Thx, Maria. I was pleased that we could have a frank exchange of views (hoowee), and then come out laughing. I've just lost all patience and sense of humor about Bush admin criminality. Gaahhhh!! *ommmmmm* - Ayşe E.

Why do you think the Iraq War is a Constitutional issue? - Rob Sterling

Cos of stuff like checks and balances and requiring an act of Congress to declare war and habeas corpus and taking seriously one's oath to protect the Constitution (and the country) which includes, in part, upholding the Constitution, cos we're a country of laws. - Ayşe E.

It starts to get into Constitutional issues when there is criminal activity in the executive branch, such as torture and warrantless wiretapping on American citizens. - John (a.k.a. dendroica)

But Bush went to Congress for authorization and got it, and the rationale for the attack and subsequent occupation and political reformation of Iraq was to protect the United States from the sort of warfare we saw on 9/11. - Rob Sterling

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