I love how all the Identity pieces are fitting together now with OpenID+OAuth Hybrid, WebFinger and XRD and Activity Streams and PoCo at #iiw this week
- Kevin Marks
Robert, I'm getting more info on it as well - they want to be much more open than it appeared in the keynote
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I will try to introduce PayPal's identity moves into this conversation. Also, what @marcglasberg http://icents.net is doing to turn Twitter into a micropayments system for content.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, missed what @marcglasberg is doing - can't wait to hear more
- Jesse Stay
Someone tell Craig to turn the sounds off on his TweetDeck ;-)
- Jesse Stay
and tell them I said hi from the chat (I don't think they're watching this)
- Jesse Stay
http://webfinger.org - it is a protocol to map an emial address into an OpenID endpoint - works with gmail and yahoo already
- Kevin Marks
Just ran into this on stackoverflow.com... they have logos for 10 different OpenID providers or your own URL and I think I have IDs on 8 of them... and I have no idea which one I used to create my account.
- Ken Sheppardson
The right number of id providers is 1. Selectors can solve this problem.
- Cliff Gerrish
I wish somebody would put together some sort of over-arching reference document that explains how you build something that uses PSHB, OpenID, OAuth, Salmon, Activitystreams, etc in the "correct" way in an integrated system.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, check out the identity commons.
- Cliff Gerrish
I really wish Phil and Craig were in here. I need to get those guys together for lunch some time. That would be a fun meeting.
- Jesse Stay
I think you can catch both Phil and Craig at the Kynetx conference. It's coming right up.
- Cliff Gerrish
Conference de jour, literally ;-) Can't we all just agree to get together once a year or so in one place and deal with everything at once? :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
how about adding lists to lists? when's that coming?
- Frank Paynter
Ken, that's what the weekly Gillmor Gang is for. Everyone in one place in real time.
- Cliff Gerrish
I love how Atom is so flexible that we can add all these extra layers on top of it. ActivityStreams, Salmon, PSHB, etc
- Matt Mastracci
frank, isn't that what listorious is for? :)
- Karoli
Cliff: It's just that all these conference give me the apparently mistaken impression that there are more than 10 or so folks who I really have to follow ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Karoli... mebbe, but I'm a fan of bundling functionality within the native platform
- Frank Paynter
Seems like building a bunch of translators is the best way to get adoption.
- Cliff Gerrish
Isn't that what Gnip's supposed to be doing?
- Ken Sheppardson
Facebook just needs to remove the 24 hour storage limit and it will be free
- Jesse Stay
@cgerrish yes, translators into Activity Streams rather than n by n translators is an important saving
- Kevin Marks
Cliff, yeah - I'll be at the Kynetx conference
- Jesse Stay
I see Phil all the time - haven't met Craig yet (except online)
- Jesse Stay
Amen Mark - more clients need to support activitystrea.ms
- Jesse Stay
Myspace is still very much in the game
- Jesse Stay
Wait and see - there are some huge things coming to Myspace
- Jesse Stay
So we're all going to speak activitystreams on the global back-end bus and all these sites just become "clients"? Cool. I'm down with that.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, all but Twitter, at least the way they're going
- Jesse Stay
But if *everything* else is connected, we can all just pool our API call limits to pull the full feed out of Twitter and translate it to AS
- Ken Sheppardson
Go tell @loic to support Activity Streams from MySpace and Netflix, @scobleizer
- Kevin Marks
That's the theory, Ken. At least until the next time something closed and exciting comes along, ;)
- Matt Mastracci
It will be everyone supports open standards, then you'll also have to support Twitter's own standard - at least if you ask John at Twitter
- Jesse Stay
JK's sane, Jesse... if this all got widespread adoption I think you'd see a different bottom-up attitude from Twitter...
- Ken Sheppardson
The custom adapters actually creates a value proposition.
- Cliff Gerrish
Facebook needs public indexing to get legit... they can't because of privacy aspect of their service... FriendFeed can provide the opening to public indexing of Facebook users' wall content...
- Frank Paynter
Ken, yeah - I just don't like his attitude around it
- Jesse Stay
Frank, you can use FQL to search Facebook pretty much site-wide (at least as privacy allows)
- Jesse Stay
I can sorta see Twitter's point... I mean Evan came to them a year ago and said "Hey, you should support OMB" and their natural response as "Uh... no.... why? Nobody's using it..."
- Ken Sheppardson
I should note Twitter doesn't allow specific queries like FQL btw
- Jesse Stay
I'd just as soon not search Facebook. or even use it.
- Karoli
Jesse...yahbut, you can't find Facebook content on google
- Frank Paynter
There's a strong current of relevant discussion on Facebook that is hard for me to ignore
- Frank Paynter
If Activitystreams was implemented widely, I suspect the engineers at Twitter would warm up to it. That might not be a sufficient condition, but it's certainly necessary.
- Ken Sheppardson
sad that no-one from @twitterapi came to IIW this year; @blaine came + helped invent OAuth when they were 1/10th the size
- Kevin Marks
Facebook encourages self-censorship, or disownership, depending. (Basically I don't really want my Republican spouse reading my liberal rants)
- Karoli
@Kevin - they are busy building lists.
- Rob La Gesse
Kevin, yeah - that's been my perception - they're taking no part in any of the open efforts, which concerns me
- Jesse Stay
I think we all scared them off at BearHugCamp last fall ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Kevin, is Facebook there at all? I imagine Recordon's probably there?
- Jesse Stay
That's consistent with what Bret said last week, RE Facebook
- Ken Sheppardson
hubs will be distributed. facebook will lose their advantage.
- scott anderson
scott, i think so too. Google federating wave is one step closer to that...
- Karoli
As soon as grandmas start using a service, Robert bails... so... y'know... ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Scott, Facebook is becoming distributed
- Jesse Stay
Jesse... thanks for the "site: facebook" clue, but it's weak... I've just been testing it and nothing relevant emerged in response to specific search requests
- Frank Paynter
Ken - MS is busy building layoff packages and not serious software.
- Rob La Gesse
MSFT had a lot of good people at #iiw, and they are really contributing to the Activity Streams and OWF efforts
- Kevin Marks
@KevinMarks. Thanks for the mention. Yes, we (Cliqset) currently normalize activity from 70+ services into activity streams compliant atom feeds. We also share them in real-time through our APIs.
- Darren
Frank, a lot of cool articles about Twitter lists - I thought it was interesting "site:facebook.com lists"
- Jesse Stay
Save the demo for a building43 video :)
- Rob La Gesse
Frank, status updates are also very soon going to be included in that as well. Very soon you'll see those come up in search results.
- Jesse Stay
Seeing individual engineers and marketing folks from MSFT at different events reminds me alot of my old NASA days, when you'd always find some sort of "rogue" engineer off working on pretty much any project you can imagine. Every once in a while all the "rogue" engineers from the different centers who were working on similar projects would get together... but they were rarely funded and projects never went anywhere. But on the flip side... I'm glad they're involved :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Scoble is such a non-programmer. Everything he says that's hard sounds easy. "How do I bundle 3 tweets?" Just use take their URIs or copy the text.
- Raphael, Raphael
Vezquex: I want to put them on a page and have them look like Tweets, mixed with YouTUbe videos, mixed with photos. Make it freaking easy. Copy and pasting and doing screen captures is NOT easy for most people.
- Robert Scoble
Did they mention the Paypal identification proposal at all? I think I missed it.
- Jesse Stay
Ken, I'm very fascinated by that, because it's true identity. If they can make that open along with the existing open standards around identity they're going to do some great things. I'm supposed to get a briefing by them soon (I hope).
- Jesse Stay
Vezquex: look at the Tweets I put into Wordpress: http://scobleizer.com/2009... that took a LOT of work. Way too much for normal people and WAY too much for real-time work. Did you watch the World Series last night? MSNBC had a Tweet out AS THE BALL HIT THE GLOVE TO END THE GAME!
- Robert Scoble
Craig, great seeing you, btw! I don't think we've ever met in person.
- Jesse Stay
This is a real time world and copying and pasting URLs is too freaking hard.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks Jesse, we need to make that happen.
- Craig Burton
Plus, I do everything on my iPhone now. Did you remember how we broke the news of Facebook buying FriendFeed? That entire thing was done from an iPhone, including an audio interview.
- Robert Scoble
Craig, just sent you and Phil an e-mail. Let's definitely make it happen.
- Jesse Stay
Paypal is still very weak. They are not quite clued in to the selector imperative.
- Craig Burton
Jesse: applications running on the open web will always be able to innovate and provide more functionality than apps running on top of Facebook. With activity streams, hubs, openid, etc. the reduced friction advantage that Facebook has is diminished.
- scott anderson
I think you see it now with the work Recordon and the ex-FriendFeeders are doing... but the IP limits, 24hr cache limits, and EULA mythology seems to cast a shadow over everything
- Ken Sheppardson
BTW, most this stuff was around even before Recordon came on board
- Jesse Stay
Yeah, I realized that after I wrote that, Jesse... he's just sorta the flag bearer these days
- Ken Sheppardson
Scott, they've had that support for at least 6 months now
- Jesse Stay
Facebook led much of the activitystrea.ms standard - it is not a defensive move. They were part of the organization, and are also members of the openid foundation. They're leaders in this, not followers.
- Jesse Stay
openid support is a defensive move because they don't want google to dominate the openid space. if activity stream content expires after some period of time when it leaves Facebook, then that is another defensive move and one that is not truly open.
- scott anderson
Scott, I'm not sure they've said much about that content expiring. As long as you're a user I'm pretty sure you're able to get your content out, no exceptions. Developers have a few more strict rules, but nothing's stopping a client from enabling that for users themselves. The RSS News Feed app on Facebook's still around, so I think they're opening up to enabling that: http://www.facebook.com/apps...
- Jesse Stay
Also, see Facebook's latest news - their entire JS client library is now open source on GitHub: http://bit.ly/48FO1s
- Jesse Stay
And we heard someone drinking coffee or something as well
- Pierre TAMISIER
Love these British accents and guys who sound like they're talking in tunnels
- Francine Hardaway
Just what I need. An explosion of data coming into the stream
- Francine Hardaway
Sorry, Robert. I'm typing. Then again, I'm not on the call... didn't realize it was disruptive ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
I want tweetdeck or seesmic to be a full "real-time" web browser : with all real-time information in there : Twitter, Facebook... etc, but also Gmail, my RSS feeds,... etc
- Julien
Ken, that doesn't mean we can't hear you.
- Cliff Gerrish
Francine: I haven't seen any of that stuff on my stream yet. Probably has a big impact on search.
- Robert Scoble
Julien => it sounds like google wave what you want
- Pierre TAMISIER
Cliff: So you can hear the Blue Angels overhead too then?
- Ken Sheppardson
Keep looking, I have 10.01 via iTunes.
- Ken Morley
I know but the live format isnt always convenient from a timing perspective. some of us work! lol
- Jamie
Francine: I use them less and less, usually only for conferences. And even then I hate them.
- Robert Scoble
Oh, and people now spam by putting hashtags on irrelevant tweets
- Francine Hardaway
I need a visual map on how these things work or I can't adapt easily.
- Arnie Klaus
Bored dog just countersurfed in my kitchen, took the top off the crockpot and tried to take out the chicken! Thank goodness a fail!
- Francine Hardaway
Can someone please move the pointer out of the middle of the screen?
- Matthew Schrock
I like Brizzly's take on a wikified hashtag index right inside the client. It's got flaws but it's a good start. Would love to see an "official" hashtag wiki. Then again, Twitter doesn't feel like a wiki-friendly company. More on Brizzly at http://www.louisgray.com/live...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Laura's not odd -- just far more like everyone else
- Ian McGee
Matthew, we just have to live with it for this show.
- Cliff Gerrish
Robert, I'm curious, are you aware of Cliqset? Some of the issues you've brought up are problems we're very interested and about to help solve.
- Darren
Yeah, I'm barely aware of Cliqset, I will be interested in trying that out. Probably this weekend.
- Robert Scoble
looks like we need a standard for these activities in a stream... oh wait there's one! What we need is an easy wait to be a "source" with existing clients (ie. making seesmic/tweedeck activity stream clients for many services, not just twitter/facebook)
- Sylvain Carle
Creating a simple and effective way for a social media publishing workflow (avoiding duplication) is very difficult at the moment.
- Mark Krynsky
Yea, the came in the client... but never further than that : Mosaic would have never been the web browser if it couldn't browse any website : http://blog.superfeedr.com/Real-ti...
- Julien
"Privacy" means "multi groups" while "public" means "one group", no ?
- Baptiste Cadiou
Just signing into Cliqset to see if it solves anything
- Francine Hardaway
Public means multiple scale free microcommunities.
- Cliff Gerrish
Public = you determine whether or not you're a member, Private = I do.
- Ken Sheppardson
Agree with Mark K - GR does a good job, feedly is a fine app which also provides suggestions.
- Dave Martin
I wrote about Twitter Times yesterday which Kevin just mentioned http://lifestreamblog.com/custom-... It's a great way to filter Twitter links by the people you follow on Twitter.
- Mark Krynsky
Well, it shouldn't have to be just your friends... I'd like to see some sort of wizard that let you build up groups, e.g. "Create a group of all the peole my friends follow, and show me trending topics among those people"
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, if Twitter rolls out lists soon and allows that data to be passed to the API Twitter Times could leverage that automatically.
- Mark Krynsky
I want to see the principal that Twitter Times has released to be created on a wider scale. Imagine that logic expanded across multiple social media services and the people you follow on each of them. Then mash the data across all of them. It become far more interesting and useful at that point.
- Mark Krynsky
Kevin, TwitterTimes looks like something actually useful.
- Francine Hardaway
Ask yourself this — do you find this painting obscene? There are no warnings regarding it’s placement in the museums all ages gallery. And why is it not ok to show the backside of painting of a woman in a museum, but it seems perfectly fine for people to show full frontal nudity of the famous statue of Michelangelo’s David? isn’t it a double standard for Flickr to say that great art of females ought to be treated differently than great art of males. The basic problem is that the Censorship Division at Flickr is unchecked. They’ve been given unlimited power over who sees our images and who does not. Flickr relevancy to our culture is too important not to resist these intrusions. Censoring great works of art is an insult to all photographers and artists. Like the Victorians of yesteryear who ruined many sculptures by plastering fig leafs over their private parts, Flickr wields the censors sword flippantly and seemingly without consequence. This is bad for morale, bad for Flickr/Yahoo’s...
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- Thomas Hawk
Obscene, no. An example of why painters should study anatomy, yes. (This is one of the many reasons I'm weaning myself off of Flickr.)
- Jennifer Dittrich
Not obscene. Who are they protecting anyway? This reminded me of something I heard the on NPR about people in Seattle being upset that their kids maybe exposed to a nude cyclist from time to time at the park or a local festival. GET OVER IT. Kids are not scared by nudity. Behavior yes. So as long as the naked people are minding their own business... not an issue. This surprises me from Flickr, how do they justify this? #puritancolonyethics#liveuptothefoundingfathersintentions
- SAM
nudity is not obscene unless sexually explicit - kids certainly are not traumatised by nudity - never understood that anglo saxon hangup
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Flickr currently has this image censored in my photostream. They censored it behind my back. I hate it when they do that. Thousands of children view this image every year as it hangs in an all ages gallery at the Art Institute of Chicago.
- Thomas Hawk
SAM, they justify it because the Censorship Division at Flickr seemingly has no accountability to anyone.
- Thomas Hawk
Exactly Joelle. Thomas: They don't even email you to let you know they feel some of your content is objectionable?
- SAM
It's irrelevant whether the image is obscene. What matters is whether the Flickr TOS were violated. It's a picture of a painting of a nude woman. Was the image properly tagged (as Moderate, I imagine)? Then again, the painting wasn't created by Thomas Hawk, so perhaps posting a picture of it violates the "upload content that you have created" part of the Flickr Community Guidelines.
- Pat Rice
from twhirl
that's beautiful! Of course it's not obscene...jeez, what's next, just showing the wrists or ankles on a woman is going to be considered obscene!?!
- Kamala Whitaker
Pat, so why does the backside of a painting of a woman by a famous artist violate the Flickr TOS while the front side of Michelango's David seems perfectly fine? Isn't it a bit of a double standard to try and enforce a policy whereby hundreds of (use your own favorite euphemism for male member) are allowed unfettered on Flickr while a female's behind is not? Both are great works of art, why censor one and not the other?
- Thomas Hawk
Suppose I took a photograph of one of your images, and posted it to my own photostream. How would you feel about that?
- Pat Rice
from twhirl
I'd be fine with that Pat, I'd appreciate the publicity. But you've neglected to answer the question as to why it is ok for flickr users to photograph and post Michelangelo's David statue showing full nude male frontal genitalia while a photo of a similar work of famous art is censored when it depicts the backside of a female.
- Thomas Hawk
Absolutely not obscene! Pathetic that some might think it obscene. In school I learnt about the great painters and most of them had nudes, some a lot more full frontal and yet it was about the art, not about the nudity. I would have no problems showing these type of pictures to my kids who are all under ten. The human body is amazing and beautiful and should be glorified!
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
No. Wow Pat, nice attempt to derail the convo. Did you know STUDENTS in EUROPE frequently spend DAYS at museums stealing from the Great Masters -- by making illegal copies of paintings! Not photographs, actual paintings! The horror! Think of the dead artist's great great grandchildren! Now, if you want to contemplate something worth while, what if I were to make an oil painting of one...
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- Richard pancakhaus Walker
I dont find it obscene. There are many paintings, like you said, hanging in art museums all over the world that have this kind of scene.
- Shevonne
I'll give a hint to what I think is the correct answer: How much you "borrowed" depends on how much interpretation that person put in. Since Thomas interprets quite a bit, that would be the problem. That you used an ARTISTIC photo without permission. However, making a single fine art painting is unlikely to "damage" Thomas or make the photo less valuable. The litho series is where it becomes a serious violation. Mass production.
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
There is literally more explicit nudity on the walls and ceiling of the Vatican than that.
- Alex Scrivener
Many Americans have issues with nudity - often equating it with pornography - and apparently being unable to discern the difference. Silly while all around us media is awash in sexual imagery. The more humans attempt to control something the greater attraction it has. Where nudity is no big thing there is far less pornography just as where everyone drinks wine with meals there are fewer...
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- Internet Strategist
Not at all. It's quite beautiful. +1 for the dimples, too. ;-)
- Jason Huebel
Obscenity laws in America are obscene.
- Ankush Narula
whats obscene! we've created in the first place:)
- samantha
I like how I can post this image to FriendFeed and don't have to worry about it being censored. Maybe Flickr ought to consider replacing their censorship division with FriendFeed's censorship division. I think it would be a big step forward for them. That Flickr thinks that they have to "protect" their users from images like this is absurd.
- Thomas Hawk
Obscene, no; Mature, possibly, but you might see more at a news stand or magazine rack.
- Grant Bierman
Thomas, I appreciate your continuing efforts to bring this stuff to light. I think we all agree that Flickr is owned by a company that can set their own rules. That said, their place in society has become very important...they are essentially running an ongoing documentary of life on Earth circa 2009. I wish they would start taking their place in the world a bit more seriously and...
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- Luke Ibis
The emphasis on whether this painting is obscene or not is a distraction from the real issue: Flickr moderated Mr. Hawk's image. They didn't warn him that they were going to do it, or inform him afterward that they had done it. They didn't explain why they did it. (But did he ever ask?) Is this censorship? In a word, no. The image is still there, people can still see it (provided they...
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- Pat Rice
It would appear that the moderation has been removed: the image is now marked "Anyone can see this photo". Perhaps Mr. Hawk appealed the moderation - politely, one hopes - and Flickr acknowledged that a mistake had been made.
- Pat Rice
Pat, flickr doesn't own the image,Thomas does, so if they block him posting to FF, there are other issues they would need to address. The problems with censorship is that you need to be consistent, otherwise you run the risk of being hypocritical, and it's pretty clear that in this case there was a lack of consistency.
- Deepak Singh
Pat, Flickr has not removed the restriction. This is the second version of this image that I've posted. The first version is here: http://www.flickr.com/photos... That image is still censored by them. I appealed their decision via email today and received the following reply back from Flickr staffer Terrence: "As per our Community Guidelines, Female breasts,...
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- Thomas Hawk
I sent a follow up email back to Terrence asking him if this prohibition only applies to females and why, for instance, Michelangelo's sculpture (with full frontal male nudity) is not censored, but I have not heard back from him yet. Hopefully I will soon. It is ridiculous that they would censor this image on Flickr and I hope to have this decision reversed. The Censorship Division at...
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- Thomas Hawk
I think Terrence answered your question. You didn't follow the rules Thomas. They are at the least being consistsnt. If you properly labled the pic it would have been left alone. Flickr never said it was obsene they just want those people who are sensitive to the issue to be able to filter it out.
- Jason Williams
from iPhone
1st of all when did the human body become obscene? Of course beauty is in the eye of the beholder but to me this is a beautiful work of art. Those who choose to add a negative stigma to it are already sick in the mind.
- Jeunelle Foster
So, I had to click through a warning page to see the original image. But I could still see it. How, then, is Mr. Hawk being censored?
- Pat Rice
Not obscene to me, but that of course depends on your cultural background. What I believe the web needs are 'global' standards against censorship and a strong institution to enforce them. Both of which is probably a long way from being put into place. E.g. I think in the US those issues are pretty much left to the companies while in Germany we would ask government or other officials to...
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- Jens Holze
Yeah man this is nothing, you should see my apartment.
- drew olanoff
Leila always calls it "ice" and loooves to eat it. Sadly our Mexican consumption has gone down because Leila got sick last time and now has negative associations with salsa.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Avynn was going to restaurants with us from around 6 weeks old or younger,
- Chrimmus Tad
Drew, the next time I come to Philly, I would be happy to see your stank apartment. And Anika, back up your comment with pics. :)
- Louis Gray
You should see it after 4 kids have hit a place like that. I always increase my tips when I'm with my kids.
- Jesse Stay
Yup, just go for it and leave a *really* big tip.
- Laura Norvig
They will outgrow it. Our son, now 9, regularly accompanies us to fine dining restaurants.
- Victor Panlilio
So the lesson I should learn from this is to go out and have a really big supper now since I will most likely be grounded for the next, say, 18 years. :-)
- Stephan Planken
No, pics. The shame is unbearable. The other night hundreds of people at on the steps of the museum. We sat down to eat. The only food that fell on the steps came from my husband. Even the kids didn't drop food on the ground. LOL
- Admiral Anika
Yes, that is Sarah standing in her chair, having wriggled free from the loose lap belt. Scamp.
- Louis Gray
I think it's funny that before u do something about it u take pics. lol
- Garin Kilpatrick
Garin, that's the only way to share with you guys! :)
- Louis Gray
I maybe didn't find the setting for it yet but I can't get over seeing my emails flat like that. It looks really weird not having the conversation grouped for me. You guys don't mind that?
- metalerik
what method does tornado use to pull updates that it pushes realtime?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Wave is XMPP based... hence my earlier question RE how he'd tie XMPP into Tornado... where he sees the intergration points and overlap.
- Ken Sheppardson
I'd love to know when noreply and donotreply goes away from Facebook notification emails.
- Jay Cuthrell
Mochiweb (Erlang web framework) has some pretty easy to use support for long-polling too. Use it at http://replies.twitterfall.com for the streaming API there. I think Facebook use it for chat? (guess)
- Jalada
Agreed Steve.......This is now officially WAY over my head.... ;-)
- Mike Kelly
So, Bret... any plans for a near-term Tornado meetup?
- Ken Sheppardson
Has there been any discussion on any top line scaling metrics they are shooting for now? i.e. transcations per second, etc.
- Jay Cuthrell
Thursdays between 1 - 2pm SFO likes to fly jets over the NGL studios! We must have a talk about this
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Can anyone ask Bret if Friendfeed plans to open source more of their code. Would love to see how Friendfeed handles the aggregation of all the user feeds.
- arjo
Yeah I know about that, unless I'm mistaken it doesn't have the newsgang live from tue 09/08
- Michael Breslin
I've only been recording episodes of the Gillmor Gang so unless someone else has recorded NewGang you will have to wait until Steve puts it on YouTube
- Jack
Mike: That link is to the same file as in the bootleg feed
- Jack
I just went back to it today after a couple weeks hiatus.
- Bryan R. Adams
I just wish they had a web service or something that worked with Safari
- Jesse Stay
Coach: I've been using it for a while. Not late at all. It's just that this new version finally nailed it for me and got me excited. Why? It shows friends. That's the main thing I liked about Google Reader.
- Robert Scoble
Thank you Robert @Jesse a few people have been able to get an experimental feedly for safari running (see http://blog.feedly.com/2009... ) Andre: I expect us to push out a Chrome version out in October.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I've said it before and I'll say it again; Google should buy feedly! It's my favorite app by far.
- Michael Fidler
@Michael: We would actually prefer to see Google Reader become a platform like twitter and feedly be one of the clients built in that ecosystem. For RSS to go mainstream, you are going to need a lot of different niche experiences to emerge.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Happy to hear feedly works for you, does Firefox? It runs_slowly_for_me...
- David Libby
The thing is utterly incomprehensible.
- Dominic Jones
Yeah. Feedly has been my homepage for a few months. Love it to death.
- Quasar
Feedly is fantastic. Not sure why more people aren't using it. I'd love to hear what the guys on TWIG think of it in particular.
- invariant - farewell FF
I just installed feedly last night and have just started using it. I'm looking forward to putting it through it's paces tonight. Looks very slick.
- Aaron Schaub
from iPod
Feedly is one of my fave apps. Hardly look at google reader since I started using Feedly and so easy to cross post too!
- Ange Recchia/angesbiz
Edwin: definitely looking forward to it.
- motownmutt
I seem to get the Bad Feed error on every feed listing on the "featured sources" list. The main things work OK, but the side bar listings routinely give be feed errors.
- Keith Rowland
I am going to have to give this thing a try.
- Vadim Lavrusik
Feedly for Chrome, please? Pretty please?
- Craig Eddy
yay I can't wait to see it in Oct for Chrome!
- metalerik
@Keith. Yes. There was an encoding regression in a patch we pushed out this afternoon. This problem has been fixed in 2.x.014 and everything should be working correctly next time you restart firefox. Sorry for the inconvenience.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I was using Feedly a while ago and went back to Google Reader. It was just too painful to keep up with all my feeds.
- Jody Fanning
from twhirl
@feedly has completely taken over my use of google reader...
- Andy Bryant
Love, feedly, looking forward to trying the Safari version
- Kim Landwehr
from BuddyFeed
yeah feedly is great, but try the greasemonkey plugins for reader. i like enhanced black. when its late and dark and i just want to scan the internets its perfect on the eyes
- Robert Higgins
Feedly is severely broken for me. I can't get it to show all on the latest tab. The drop down that works on other tabs does nothing there.
- Otto
Sorry if this question is a rookie mistake, but pros/cons GoogleReader vs Feedly? THANKS.
- Jimmy Watson
Tonight I was faced with this scene at a party in Indianapolis for Monster Energy drink and I figure it is a good way to tell if you are a geek. If you first impulse is to ask the girls for help with your Ubuntu install, you are probably a geek. If you start wondering about what cool iPhone apps they use, you are probably a geek. If you want to ask them where the best places to find wifi in Paris are, you are probably a geek. If you want to invite them to a Facebook party you are probably a geek. If you ask them what they think of Android you are probably a geek.
- Robert Scoble
from email
If you know for a fact the girls don't care at all about you and are only there as paid advertisements, AND you still don't care and want to gawk and hang out and get photos with them anyway...you might be a geek.
- Josh Haley
You guys are a bunch of pathetic losers. Robert did you ask them what their astrological sign was? and if you did you are a geek who's desperate :)
- Jeunelle Foster
If you immediately turn to your iPhone and write about it on FriendFeed you are a geek
- Jesse Stay
I'm pretty sure I am still a geek, but there is no way any of those questions come to mind when I see this picture. And I think if those questions come to anyone's mind here, it might be time for geek-rehab.
- Bill Grant
Pogmohin: I talked with them for a while. Nice people but didn't know what Android was so I moved on.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
This post is just a cover story for why does Robert have this picture, anyway?
- Jason Wehmhoener
So is "What do you think of Android?" the new Turning test?
- Micah Wittman
thinking you can pick up said girls by telling them you wrote an iphone app and expecting them to get excited about it then you're a geek.
- evablue
Yeah.. I am from FHM mag.. Want to make the big time baby.. Now can the girl at the rear just reach around to the one at the front more...click .. front page Roberts Screen Saver..
- Pogmohoin
The girl at the right said her name was Ashley. Actually she said she was "Smashley." love that.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Ashley owes me money and I better not run into her or her face would be smashley
- Jeunelle Foster
Bill: yup. I picked up on the iPod very quickly at the party. I am hoping Ashley sends me her play list!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
@Micah -- Me: "No, that's Mandroid. He stayed home. Wasn't cool enough. Android is...(way short explanation)"
- Dennis Jernberg
If you take a picture of three beautiful girls, post it on FF, and your first inclination is to write a caption that includes the words Ubuntu, iphone Apps and Android - OR if you comment on such a post... You are definitely a geek.
- Robert Rose
By the way none of the three had been to Europe so they couldn't help me with good places to get wifi for LeWeb.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
If you help them sign up for Facebook, FriendFeed, and Twitter, you're a geek.
- imabonehead
Well they don't look like they know how to boil rice
- Jeunelle Foster
Been to Europe?? Man did they say the best thing that come out of Europe was "The Final Countdown" from their Daddy's "86 with a Bullet" tape!! http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Pogmohoin
This scene was the geek's dream while posting this. :)
- Bundit
imabonehead: actually they are already on Facebook. Which says something about how mainstream Facebook has gotten.
- Robert Scoble
All the Facebook friends in my family (except for my brother) are definitely nongeeks.
- Dennis Jernberg
Well I know I'm a geek. When someone like me, who spends a lot of time helping a sexy geek like Marina Orlova of http://hotforwords.com because she speaks geek and is enjoyable to work with. I might even venture to say she's a bit of a computer nerd. When Marina wakes up the first thing she does is check her email. When she gets ready for bed she can be found tweeting before she retires...
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- Captain Jack
Captain Jack: she sounds cool. What apps does she have on her iPhone?
- Robert Scoble
Were they impressed by the size of your lens, Robert?
- Raphael, Raphael
Raphael: I didn't have that with me tonight. Was going low key. :-)
- Robert Scoble
If Robert had taken that shot with is 600mm, he would have had to have been 3 blocks away and you would be able to see the the flecks of color in their eyes :) You are looking at their eyes right?? -- My first thought was well, they can't be geeks as everyone knows true Geeks drink Red Bull not Monster :P Monster isn't all bad, they are big supporters of Surfrider and International Surfing day ----> Surfing Geek
- Luke Kilpatrick
If you're a geek, why are you asking someone else for help with your Ubuntu installation? Shouldn't you figuring that out yourself? Turn in your geek card, now.
- Andy Bakun
Yeah, they'd have to ask you to help with their Ubuntu installation. Except if they don't know what Android is, they probably haven't heard of Ubuntu either.
- Dennis Jernberg
"Well, hello there, sexy ladies! Would you like to come up to my place and read my @scobleizer feed? Hmm?" -bow-chicka-wow-wow-
- Kevin Leroux
wow. I couldn't even make out what was that thing in the BG. I noticed the additional thumb/thigh in front -so that makes me a photo geek??
- jomarhilario
Oh my! Now I'm sure I'm not a geek! Hahaha they are beautiful as hell!
- Rafael
if you find this picture of these attractive women on this page you are probably a geek...even if you don't read every single comment...including this one.
- Lee Sachs
Some of us geeks know what we're doing with women.
- Tyler Hurst
Oh, how gorgeous. You've got to love that Ipod design.
- James Kuypers
I can tell the way the Hottie on da Right is looking at me that she really likes ME a lot!!!
- Billy Warhol
@James I hereby award you the true geek award for your spotting of the iPod in this picture. =P (Special mention to the others who said MP3 player) - Silver iPod Nano I would think.
- Travis Koger
Really lol Scoble maybe u had been having 2 much fun @ the racetrack & geeks does attract some attractive wolla
- polou/indigo_bow
Funny old world three attractive women in a fun pose at a launch party and it creates enormous interest? Funny how things never really change in human habits, geek yep that's me but this article made me smile a lot, keep snapping away Robert.
- Ian Wright
If you are writing a disclaimer on a picture, you took at a party, because you don't want to be locked out of the house by your wife, you are a SMART geek:)
- Maryam Scoble
from iPhone
Heh, love that Maryam commented on this. I miss her and my two buddies. I'm just wondering why TechCrunch doesn't have parties like Monster drinks! ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you'll just have to bring a case or two of Monster to your next TC visit and see what happens.... just make sure the cam is on.
- Jay Cuthrell
Jeez, I must not be geekish at all — *my* first thoughts are all carnal.
- Hieronymus Murphy
Only qx...which was your first impulse? I pray for your sake it was to throw down camera & decide where u were going to be in Blonde sandwich. :-)
- Brenda Rothaupt
Two of the top three guys crashed in the first few laps to give Jorge Valentino a huge lead heading into the final laps. Here's my pic of the crash.
- Robert Scoble
from email
You are wrong. I asked to see it and it's amazing. I've worked as a photojournalist for AP and elsewhere, this is not the kind of picture you grab every day [update: lol ok rossi fans don't like it :-)]
- Brian Hendrickson
Wow. Amazing to see you say that in real-time Robert
- Daniel Zarick
Brian, apparently the shot is NOT Rossi crashing, is Rossi AFTER the crash. That's the easyest picture to shoot in motoracing: he's damn steady. As a photojournalist, you should admit it's not the same.
- ialla
@Brian all the Doctor's supporters agree with me, I really don't want to comment the shot in a technical way
- Michela Cimnaghi /cimny
@ialla u r on fire!!! So competitive with the other bloggers ROFL (@ialla was guest blogger @sachsenring)
- Marco Massarotto
http://ff.im/7oEDN ialla if you're ready when something happens, you're doing pretty good. especially if your @scobleizer with 90,000 people tweeting at you :-)
- Brian Hendrickson
What most novices on this thread don't realize is that Rossi got up, dusted himself off and walked away. The 7 times MotoGP World Champion is invincible and will race again next round.
- Peter Mullen
Yeah it would have been better to get the crash but it still is pretty difficult to get even the aftermath.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Peter: he actually rode a lap or two before dropping out.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I was aiming my lens at Lorenzo and didn't expect Rossi to crash. Oh well, that is what you get with a non professional photographer. ESPN has shots of the crash, but don't know when his images will be up.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Robert you shared with us exclusive intersting insights. And we're thankful for that.
- Marco Massarotto
I just talked with the guy fixing Rossi's bike. He said he came in a bit too wide and braked too hard. He said he dropped out because his throttle was stuck open.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Robert, I'm not discussing it's hard (I've experienced that: http://www.flickr.com/photos...). Being a big Rossi fan, that picture makes me even more angry... It was Rossi's mistake; must say a rookie's mistake too.
- ialla
I wonder if you wouldn't find similar stats say if you researched the average phone call or casual conversation. Not sure it really is a negative to twitter. More perhaps that it just mimics regular life conversations. Not every conversation is "serious" in nature. Then again what do I know ;-)
- josh hinds
+10 Pon. Perhaps that 40% figure demonstrates how FOCUSED and SUCCINCT tweeting makes otherwise 75% bloviating humans adjust behavior, if they hope to be successful with the medium. Success = Heard + Engaged in Conversation.
- michael silverton
I love that Bret, Paul, and Kevin checked in. They probably are looking at their screens and asking "what do we do now?" how about ship some new features before Facebook overlords take you off to do bigger things?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I feel sorry for all you addicts. My use of it is purely social.
- Bruce Lewis
I do like FF and use it almost every day. Wouldn't it be great if FB either left it alone so we can continue to use it as "professionals," or somehow incorporate it into a more "mature" version of FB that didn't have all the annoying, time-wasting apps, games, etc. I'd much prefer a totally customizable FF "wall."
- Cathryn Hrudicka
I think FFundercats HO!!!!! would have worked but I'm here anyways.
- Jimminy Fuller
Actively fighting addiction to anything on a daily basis, but I'm still a FriendFeed fan! (I'd have been here sooner but I've been staring at Phoebe Cates pics for longer than I realized.)
- Mark "DerBingle" J
Thank you Robert Scoble to be here. :) BTW is this looks interesting for FF replacement? : http://streamy.com/ ? May be... I'll try it to see. :)
- Claude LaFrenière
Why should I? Whats in it for me? You doing some sort of survey of people to send out the police to do a "Safety Check" on when the site is shutdown?
- Santa CW™
here. anecdote: a friend of mine just signed up for FF this evening. apparently the FriendFeed hype of the last 24 hours pushed him over the top. leaves me wondering whether FF has actually gained users today?it would be a crafty way of marketing the service. I'll wake up tomorrow to discover that there was a problem with the paperwork and the FriendFeed team have had a change of heart.
- JSLeFanu
from BuddyFeed
Count me in even though I was just starting to get hooked. I guess it's time to find a rehab and get all sobered up until the next relapse with some other new addiction. Isn't life grand?
- Usman Bashir
oh hey, look, the added an "add comment" link to the end of the comment list. Huzzah!
- Brett Kelly
from iPhone
++Jay. I was going to do the same thing yesterday but I didn't want to pay the money.
- David Cook
David -- this was a $9.95 session but you can get them for $7.95 and there are also 25% off coupons if you do online check-in prior to your Delta flight. That's an incentive for folks to use that service and offload kiosk use at the terminals. Very savvy marketing by the folks at GoGo and Delta combined.
- Jay Cuthrell
well, it's 12:12 a.m. and I'm perusing FF from my iPhone via BuddyFeed before turning in. so yeah, I guess I count. "Here!" (raises hand)
- Don Faulkner
from BuddyFeed
I recommend FF to some of my clients, and there are some companies and nonprofits with presences here—not like Twitter, but I'll be curious how that will be affected when FB takes over more. Most have FB fan pages, groups and/or causes, too.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
Yeah, me too. I just saw the request to have a comment link at the bottom of the comments from one of your friends just yesterday and here it is. I'd say they are listening. Thanks FF.
- Keith Rowland
И так чятег, пока Скобл не поговорит с нами представителями СовиетФрендфидика, все мои записи теперь можно читать в этом тредике. Пользуясь случае передаю Парню Бухайту и его команде большой привет, в связи с тем что [He can has sleep naw].
- ideali
превед кетаец! давай сегодня сделаем тебя счастливым!
- Махатма Бугоганди
точно! поэт, пародист, переводчик. известный блоггер.
- Махатма Бугоганди
я вчера был в издательстве, с меня сведения об авторе просят. давайте, говорят, напишем, где учился, что генеральный директор. и что известный блоггер.
- Махатма Бугоганди
а можно получить профессию известного блоггера? какие экзамены сдавать надо? какую специализацию лучше выбрать - микроблоггинг или аудиоподкастинг?
- Махатма Бугоганди
Один чувак пришол в чятег и говорит я известный блоггер кто тут тру на первый второй рассчитайсь. А ему говорят чувак у тебя сертификат есть что ты известный блоггер? Вот иди Зайке экзамен сдай потом приходи. А Зайка стоит такой с топором и улыбается. Щас думает счастливым его сделаю.
- Махатма Бугоганди
Я потерял интерес в данный момент. Я буду скрывать, как и любой другой. Это хромой, что вы захватили этот. Пивные правила. Спокойной ночи. :-)
- Matthew Horton
More than a friend of FriendFeed, was starting to use it as a full lifestreaming platform and loved it. It's made a whole lot of other sites make sense.
- achean
Hi, I'm Bette... I don't know if I'm an addict, but I can't stay away... I keep checking, just to see if something's new... and I cry if I get no responses to a post. Is that addictive behavior? :D
- Bette Cooper
Yup, I have blocked all the impersonators now. You will still see them, but I don't see them and they no longer can comment on any of my items.
- Robert Scoble
@scobleizer As far as I can see you have blocked not only the impersonators (who renamed themselves back the moment they found out you have a problem with this) but most of the folks who chatted there.
- Махатма Бугоганди
@meatreach yes, see next thread. Scobble becomes anti-Russian.
- Never Impersonate You
Maxatma: well, that's just too bad. I speak English. Sorry. People who don't speak English really don't have any business commenting on one of my items, except in rare cases.
- Robert Scoble
Why you, Robert Scoble, don't block users from Spain or Italy? China or arabic countries? Those users that comments on non-English languages?
- Never Impersonate You
@Robert, in fact they do speak English. But they also do make fun of Friendfeed and everything that's going on there. You can block them or take part in this fun. ;)
- Махатма Бугоганди
I prefer FF over twitter and facebook, but all my friends are on twitter and/or facebook. Maybe facebook will get it right this time now that it has acquired FF. If they simplify it a bit more without removing functionality. Then I would spend a bit more time on FB. Lets hope all goes well with the merger. If not I'm jumping ship and going over to Google Wave. oh wait, I'm going to go with Google Wave regardless! ;-)
- Captain Jack
Bu arada Russian friends Turkiye'ye selamlar gonderiyor.
- ideali
@scobleizer i can speak english and i beg you to remove bann from all russian friendfeeders, because we are all from it-community, working in internet companies and we came with peace, you asked for feedback from friendfeed addicts — we show you how really it is being frf addicts, we change names, we chat, we making things that are not serious. Why so serious? Unlock people, they are not bots, they just playing the game of real addicts and have fun. Common.
- ideali
shaun: I started this post to demonstrate that a lot of us are still here and aren't likely to leave. At least not quickly. So, life goes on after FriendFeed gets acquired by Facebook. Point proved.
- Robert Scoble
Robert He says ; Our Russian friends say to hello to Turkey
- Osman Üngür
ideali: have them send email to scobleizer@gmail.com and I'll unblock anyone who says they weren't impersonating me.
- Robert Scoble
Hector: good morning! I need coffee.
- Robert Scoble
@robert yes they (we will) stay here, I think tat the migration process will take time and after reading @Paul Bucheit, I think that what we all are trying to get even if we don't say it explicitly is to preserve a kind of intimacy (beeing a part of the Huge faceBook community) don't mean that FF community will preserve their intimacy, why should a community be a plan one, (let imagine a community as a set of sub-community) that all.
- abdellah
Wow!! So many likes and comments; is it a record Rob?
- میر «عرفان» موسوی
@scobleizer thank you, for understanding. be cool, guys we just want have fun here a little. Take care.
- ideali
@Robert RE "I have enough noise in my life. I don't need to have more" - isn't it a lot of noise having 26K subscriptions and 46K subscribers on your frf account? I'm kind of surprised - you create a community that large around yourself, yet when you see a new and unusual activity you just block it right away.
- Махатма Бугоганди
@Robert, patience? Who's talking about patience? It's about curiosity, not patience. When something strange and unusual happens around you, you can either try to stop it or try to see what it can develop into. You choose to stop - and it stopped. Well, not stopped - just moved to some other place. And do you really know what it was and what it was about to bring you?
- Махатма Бугоганди
I'm here all the way from South Africa! I dig this service and I'm not quite ready to give it up. Regardless of the news about the acquisition, this remains an awesome service.
- Paul Jacobson
I'm new to ff but find more valuable information here than anywhere else!
- Janet Crance
I don't know how I rate my addiction relative to others, but I shared Hitler's reaction upon hearing the acquisition news (despite happiness for Paul and Bret)
- Chris Duffy
I'm sure this is part of Scoble's plot to poll all the people who really read his posts, and unfollow the rest. So I raise my hand.
- Shivanand Velmurugan
Just a wannabe. Not an addict (yet).
- Carole Hicks
It might also be a way for me to filter down my "following" count (diff (my followers, scoble)) are the only people I really need to follow. Those that scoble follows, I can safely unfollow and use Scoble as my social media filter :)
- Shivanand Velmurugan
pardon the arrogance but it really sucks this great forum of sharing will turn into a myspace humdrum. Now I have to find another SM where first adopters and well informed techies won't haft to compete with general "noise"
- earl wallace
Well, here's a comment I can later delete and rob the owner of 1500!
- Matthew DeVries
I just mention the 1500 mark since it was such an iconic query to see... that and the 500 Likes club of FF posts. It's pretty exclusive stuff... but it's also sobering to note that the subject matter required to get to these levels isn't always a uniform mix of cares/concerns.
- Jay Cuthrell
When I heard the FaceBook news, I tried to quit FriendFeed and I couldn't... I'M HOOKED
- The Web's Wendell Wittler
i clicked the "1488 more comments" and my computer nearly exploded. and yes, i am using an amiga 500.
- jack
Now that I have instructions (thanks LouisGray) and figured out my Bookmarklet! I am LOVING the ease of use! addict - not quite...
- Robyn Hawk
Actually, I lied. I am not a die-hard friendfeed fan. I desperately want to be but have just not been able to get into a good "feeding" rhythm. Maybe I need to add some more friends
- Anant Gairola
I don't need to be addict. I'm just here, everyday, absorbing so many geeky info :D There's no place like FF
- Lysender
I'm still with ya, Robert. Whatever FB paid for FF, it wasn't enough!
- Donald C. Lindsay
New here, but learning. Tips for best use?
- Barbara Langham
@bdlangam From my perspective the #1 tip in this category is: Explore and define "best use" for yourself. Despite potential "finishing" impression of some productive consolidations in this collective-collaborative cognition space, the emergent #cognosphere is still WAY too nascent to assert anything other than initial impressions. March to the beat of your own drum; build your own...
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- michael silverton
yeah sorry, late. was at Shambhala Music Festival, I know tardy, sorry...
- sofarsoShawn
I'm getting hooked, still figuring it all out
- Michele McGraw
I think I do. Not enough contacts to make a impression.
- Michael Schlag
"It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen."
- laura x
"Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the Western Spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small unregarded yellow sun."
- D0r0th34
"There was a boy called Eustace Clarence Scrubb, and he almost deserved it." I have so many!
- laura x
"Many years later, as he faced the firing squad, Colonel Aureliano Buendía was to remember that distant afternoon when his father took him to discover ice." [One Hundred Years of Solitude' by Gabriel Garcia Marquez ]
- Pierre Lindenbaum
"On Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays it was Court Hand and Summulae Logicales, while the rest of the week it was the Organon, Repetition, and Astrology."
- Catherine Pellegrino
"The sky above the port was the color of television tuned to a dead channel."
- s t e v e
"In a hole in the ground there lived a Hobbit" is pretty good.
- s t e v e
Does it have to be a single sentence? Or can we define a "line" as more than one sentence?
- Katy S
Yes, I love Catherine's. And Pierre's. And Katy, I think you can define it however you like.
- laura x
Ooh, yeah, if it's multiple sentences, I like the openings to Notes from the Underground, Invisible Man, and Trainspotting. :)
- Rachel Walden
Yeah, I was tempted to quote the whole opening paragraph, up to the part where it starts going on about the governess's wound.
- Catherine Pellegrino
Children's Book (Margaret Mahy's The Haunting): "When, suddenly, on an ordinary Wednesday, it seemed to Barney that the world tilted and ran downhill in all directions, he knew he was about to be haunted again."
- Katy S
It is a truth universally acknowledged that a single man in possession of a good fortune must be in want of a wife.
- Abigail
YA Book (Pratchett's The Amazing Maurice and his Educated Rodents): "But there was more to it than that. As the Amazing Maurice said, it was just a story about people and rats. And the difficult part of it was deciding who the people were, and who were the rats."
- Katy S
Catherine, is that T H White? Steve, there was a note on boingboing a few months ago about how "dead channels" have changed from the static I grew up with to the clear blue that kids today see
- DJF
from fftogo
Other (Mervyn Peake's Titus Groan): "Gormenghast, that is, the main massing of the original stone, taken by itself would have displayed a certain ponderous architectural quality were it possible to have ignored the circumfusion of those mean dwellings that swarmed like an epidemic around its outer walls. They sprawled over the sloping arch, each one half way over its neighbour until,...
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- Katy S
Oh! Oh! "So there I was, tied to an altar made from outdated encyclopedias, about to get sacrificed to the dark powers by a cult of evil Librarians."
- Rachel Walden
"It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times..."
- Alex Scoble
"The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed."
- Yolanda
"The Deliverator belongs to an elite order, a hallowed sub-category. He's got esprit up to here. Right now he is preparing to carry out his third mission of the night. His uniform is black as activated charcoal, filtering the very light out of the air. A bullet will bounce off its arachno-fiber weave like a wren hitting a patio door, but excess perspiration wafts through it like a...
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- Jàson Puçkett
I wish either my father or my mother, or indeed both of them, as they were in duty both equally bound to it, had minded what they were about when they begot me; had they duly consider'd how much depended upon what they were then doing;—that not only the production of a rational Being was concerned in it, but that possibly the happy formation and temperature of his body, perhaps his...
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- Mistletoe Glen
In the last years of the Seventeenth Century there was to be found among the fops and fools of the London coffee-houses one rangy, gangling flitch called Ebenezer Cooke, more ambitious than talented, and yet more talented than prudent, who, like his friends-in-folly, all of whom were supposed to be educating at Oxford or Cambridge, had found the sound of Mother English more fun to game...
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- Wayne Loftus
When Gregor Samsa woke up one morning from unsettling dreams, he found himself changed in his bed into a monstrous vermin.
- s t e v e
I'm so enjoying the vision of everyone running around literally in the stacks or figuratively in Google Books. . .
- laura x
+1 Million Laura X. Mine: "The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed." (Edit: +1 Million to Yolanda too!)
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
He speaks in your voice, American, and there's a shine in his eye that's halfway hopeful.
- Wayne Loftus
Here is Edward Bear, coming downstairs now, bump, bump, bump, on the back of his head, behind Christopher Robin. It is, as far as he knows, the only way of coming downstairs, but sometimes he feels that there really is another way, if only he could stop bumping for a moment and think of it.
- Mistletoe Glen
AARDVARK (70 Deram Nova SDN 17) - AARDVARK (LP)......................£130 . (It's the first entry in the Record Collector's Price Guide)
- Iain Baker
"Sherlock Holmes took his bottle from the corner of the mantlepiece, and his hypodermic syringe from its neat morocco case. With his long, white, nervous fingers he adjusted the delicate needle and rolled back his left shirtcuff. For some little time his eyes rested thoughtfully upon the sinewy forearm and wrist, all dotted and scarred with innumerable puncture marks. Finally, he thrust...
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- Katy S
"The sky above the port was the color of television, tuned to a dead channel." Neuromancer
- Alex Scrivener
Now is the winter of our discontent / Made glorious summer by this sun of York; / And all the clouds that lour'd upon our house / In the deep bosom of the ocean buried.
- s t e v e
Chandler didn't write opening lines, he wrote opening paragraphs. But that's because his sentences are never long.
- DJF
DJF, is that from a "Friends" novelization? ;)
- s t e v e
"Brother Francis Gerard of Utah might never have discovered the blessed documents, had it not been for the pilgrim with girded loins who appeared during that young novice's Lenten fast in the desert."
- DJF
DJF - I LOVE that novel. Now I'm going to have to dig it out of my books and re-read it.
- Katy S
Nonfiction (Aristotle's On Rhetoric): "Rhetoric is the counterpart to Dialectic."
- Katy S
"The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed."
- RAPatton
from iPhone
I CELEBRATE myself, And what I assume you shall assume, For every atom belonging to me, as good belongs to you.
- Steve C
"124 was spiteful. Full of a baby's venom. The women in the house knew it and so did the children."
- Derrick
Glen Campbell, is that Tristram Shandy? It feels like it.
- DJF
"The gutters of Manhattan teemed with the brackish slurry indicative of a significant though not incapacitating snowstorm three days prior, making it seem that God had tripped over Hoboken and spilled his smog-flavored slurpie all over the damn place."
- MikeAmundsen
"I am unpacking my library. Yes I am. The books are not yet on the shelves, not yet touched by the mild boredom of order. I cannot march up and down their ranks to pass them in review before a friendly audience. You need not fear any of that. Instead, I must ask you to join me in the disorder of crates that have been wrenched open, the air saturated with the dust of wood, the floor...
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- Katy S
"The world is everything that is the case." I have never quite grasped even that one line, but have always loved it.
- s t e v e
Yolanda, yeah Beloved. Wrote my master's thesis on it. That book changed my life.
- Derrick
"I am seated in an office, surrounded by heads and bodies."
- Kirsten
Seconding Neuromancer. Gives me shivers every time I read it.
- Jason Griffey
from twhirl
The "great opening lines" thread is on io9, but the discussion about how the "dead channel" image has changed since Gibson wrote it is in the comments on BoingBoing: http://www.boingboing.net/2008...
- DJF
"It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a good fortune, must be in want of a wife." Pride and Prejudice, Jane Austen
- pea
"It was a pleasure to burn. It was a special pleasure to see things eaten, to see things blackened and changed." - Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
- Ryan Massie
"The primroses were over." (Watership Down; and mostly because it matches the last line.)
- Deborah Fitchett
By the ghost of Alfred Appel, how could I forget "Lolita, light of my life, fire of my loins. My sin, my soul. Lo-lee-ta: the tip of the tongue taking a trip of three steps down the palate to tap, at three, on the teeth. Lo. Lee. Ta."
- s t e v e
I thought I'd see what the first line was to Murakami's "The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle," one of my favorite novels. It is: "When the phone rang I was in the kitchen, boiling a potful of spaghetti and whistling along with an FM broadcast of the overture to Rossini's _The Thieving Magpie_, which has to be the perfect music for cooking pasta." Now that may not be a great first line, but it is a *perfect* Murkami sentence.
- s t e v e
"When I finally caught up with Abraham Trahearne, he was drinking beer with an alcoholic bulldog named Fireball Roberts in a ramshackle joint outside of Sonoma, California, drinking the heart right out of a fine spring afternoon." James Crumley, The Last Good Kiss. (This one's actually rather famously a best first line among crime fic fans. Many can recite it by heart, even after many drinks.)
- barbara fister
"On morning of the day he disappeared, David Elliot awoke, as he did every weekday, at precisely 5:45 A.M."
- Steven Perez
"The deliverator doesn't take shit off of no one."
- Chrimmus Tad
"He was born with a gift of laughter, and a sense that the world was mad."
- Shevonne
"She hurries from the house, wearing a coat too heavy for the weather. It is 1941. Another war has begun." + Pierre's too !!
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
"It is possible I already had some presentiment of my future..." Gene Wolfe - The Book of the New Sun, and "A screaming comes across the sky. It has happened before, but there is nothing to compare it to now." Thomas Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow.
- Christopher A Carr
"Once upon a time there was a Martian named Valentine Michael Smith."
- Bill Hooker
"It was the day my grandmother exploded." - Iain Banks, The Crow Road
- Cameron Neylon
from twhirl
“One summer afternoon Mrs. Oedipa Maas came home from a Tupperware party whose hostess had put perhaps too much kirsch in the fondue to find that she, Oedipa, had been named executor, or she supposed executrix, of the estate of one Pierce Inverarity, a California real estate mogul who had once lost two million dollars in his spare time but still had assets numerous and tangled enough to...
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- 趙美鈴 (Con Wiebrands)
"If you're going to read this, don't bother" - Choke, Chuck Palahniuk
- Louis Simoneau
and @Shevonne, gotta love Sabatini. Captain Blood may have been the most fun I've ever had reading a novel.
- Louis Simoneau
"In a hole there lived a hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and an oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole, and that means comfort."
- Peter Bromberg
"Tyler gets a job as a waiter, after that Tyler's pushing a gun into my mouth and saying, the first step to eternal life is you have to die." - Fight Club, Chuck Palahniuk; and "It began as a mistake." - Post Office by Charles Bukowski (the king of one-liners)
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Do poems count? "April is the cruelest month, breeding / Lilacs out of the dead land, mixing / Memory and desire, stirring / Dull roots with spring rain."
- Victor Ganata
"to wound the autumnal city." — Samuel Delany, Dhalgren. I read this book right after the 9/11 attacks, so that line has etched itself deep into my brain.
- Victor Ganata
@Louis Yes! Sabitini is amazing. It's funny why I read "Scaramouche." It's cause of Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody," and I'm glad that I did. At the time it came out, it was competing with Dumas' "Counte of Monte Cristo."
- Shevonne
"I, Nephi, having been born of goodly parents..."
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new. (S. Beckett - Murphy)
- diego morelli
"Midway upon the journey of our life I found myself in a dark wood, where the right way was lost."
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
"It was a dark and stormy night. Suddenly, a shot rang out!" - with a respectful nod towards Snoopy
- Morgan Haley
"We went to the moon to have fun, but the moon turned out to completely suck." from Feed by M. T. Anderson
- Katy S
"Congratulations on your decision to join the forces of darkness..."
- Amber, Random Time Lord
Agree with Abigail. LOVE the opening line of Pride and Prejudice.
- Lis Miller
Just to be difficult... my favorite closing line of any book... "Do not jump into your automobile next June and rush out to the canyon country hoping to see some of that which I have attempted to evoke in these pages. In the first place you can't see anything from a car; you've got to get out of the goddamned contraption and walk, better yet crawl, on hands and knees, over the sandstone...
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- Jason
Jason, as I recall that's the last line of the preface. Of course, I did exactly what he says not to do, but I still love living in the West.
- laura x
"On a Thursday night in early autumn she nearly committed adultery, was within minutes of consummating it, or within touches, kisses; it was difficult to measure by time or by her mouth and tongue and hands, or by his." -Timing of Sin by Andre Dubus
- Meredith
"Ships at a distance have every man's wish on board."
- αnnα vαȵ scoyoç
laura x - yes! i didn't have a copy here... i just googled the text.. I couldn't remember if it was the preface or the ending of the whole book.
- Jason
"When shall we three meet again? In Thunder , Lightning or in Rain?" "When the Hurlyburly's done." "When the battles Lost and Won." "That will be ere the Set of Sun."
- Marg Uerite
It was the best of times, it was the worst of times...
- Nathan Jelf-Mannion