Robert - you post on the race for real time web is amazing - I really want to know where you see real time TV fitting into this?
- James Stewart
Don't pull an Arrington, man. Be cool.
- Daniel Fath
Nice going Robert, we all are looking forward to knowing when the time comes.
- courtney benson
Damn... I got excited for a second that I may be among the first to know what he's up to. I guess I'll wait to find out along with everyone else!
- Jodi Echakowitz
Daniel: it could be "JeremiahGate!" :-)
- Robert Scoble
I think you guys are already breaking the ground by using Kyte etc and I tune in, but as a business channel in NZ I believe we need to be out there every day interviewing amazing people, streaming it live, enabling real time chats via FF and the Ustream intergration with facebook - I see facebook as the new TV platform that most people spend their time hanging out on and if they see an...
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- James Stewart
FF is pretty cool for these kinds of flash news teasers. :)
- Dave "Freedom 35"
James: FriendFeed's real time search engine has a lot of cool features that never were explored. I really hope that's what they are going to do for Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
The problem is that most people that use the internet are still just getting on facebook, I am 25 and I only have a handful of people friends my age that twitter as they don't have a community on there they can identify with - I like what you said about Facebook Public - that is definitely where I see them going with some serious live streaming intergration. Facebook will win because...
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- James Stewart
Robert: True man, since I saw this partnership happen my head has been whizzing with ideas for the implications of it. >> Most of the people in my age group watch videos that have been shared on facebook by their friends and favourite groups. Definitely some new stuff with video on it's way - keep us posted! Thanks for the replies :)
- James Stewart
Jesse: no and not Facebook either. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Either your going to be a big tease or a tattle tale either of which will get you beaten up on the playground, so stop it (:
- Kim Landwehr
from BuddyFeed
Robert. You're a friend, but you've a habit of breaking news --sometimes when folks aren't ready. It's not personal, but I just know your traits. I'm going to brief you in detail on Wed. We can do a video if you'd like --I'll come to you. Hugs?
- Jeremiah Owyang
Robert - hug Jeremiah, do the video - but insist he brings that little dog with him. IT is cute :)
- Rob La Gesse
Will Robert put away his (fake) wounded pride and interview Jeremiah on Wednesday? Oh yes, he will - and now we have a deadline. Good work Robert!
- Kami Huyse
OK, can we flashmob to celebrate Jeremiah's new gig right after the interview?
- Elliott Ng
Jeremiah: here is the deal. I am not under embargo but already know the news. So I think I will call Arrington because you didn't embargo me. Oh, and I +do+ keep embargoes. I am even keeping a secret about two things you will learn in the morning.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I still struggle with my 7 year old son to not steal his siblings' thunder in matters important to them. It's not easy for him.
- Josh Haley
I know a lot of things, not even just two, but maybe not the two you are thinking of
- Jesse Stay
Kami, I saw Robert yesterday, and I asked him if I'd hurt his feelings, he said "yes". Robert and I go back, there was a time (ustream launch) where we well, didn't coordinate on news. He's truly a friend, and someone I respect as a media trailblazer --but I need to get everything coordinated. To be clear, he was on the list of folks I'd brief in detail --others just got cursory info.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Here's a long discussion on where Jeremiah Owyang will be going next. Interesting discussion developing on embargoes and 'bloggers'
- Drew B
Lets figure out where he is going. Who is in most need of Jeremiahs incredible intelligence on social media?
- Nisse
Drew, is it interesting that Robert is threatening me that I didn't tell him? Should bloggers assert themselves to get news? (it's a bit fun watching him get antsy)
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah, I find the continual embargo deiscussions fascinating. I hope your trust is respected here.
- Drew B
from email
Jeremiah: my feelings were hurt because you told pretty much everyone else in the industry other than me. Here's a hint: they can't keep their mouths shut either. But I will. You will know tomorrow that I actually do know the news. But the other deal is that you're wrong. I've kept hundreds of embargoes over the past year and haven't leaked them to anyone. If you weren't a friend and...
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- Robert Scoble
So they want the publicity you can bring but want to control the timing and message. I would be inclined to not agree as well. Sounds like you are being used.
- Brian Sullivan
I hear news all the time about people who aren't necessarily friends but would generally want the news quiet - does this mean I should start leaking those details? I'm not sure the right answer to that. The problem though is often the way I hear about that information is through other friends who were trusted to keep the info private. Is it worth betraying the trust of those friends as well?
- Jesse Stay
The problem comes maybe when you are "friends" with everybody but also are trying to be a legitimate reporter at the same time. We criticize television and newspaper reporters for this all the time but tech reportage seems to get a pass.
- Brian Sullivan
Jesse, yeah your situations seem tough because if you leak, you're a jackass because someone else can't keep their mouth shut.
- Chris Heath
Brian: everyone uses me, I'm used to it, it's part of the role I play in life. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I was planning on telling you before the announcement --and the offer still stands. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings, that wasn't my intent.
- Jeremiah Owyang
nothing really andru, I say we just move along and let Robert and I handle this offline. Clearly, we need to work this out.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Talking to Scoble now, I apologized. I take back what I said above, he's not broken any embargos in a while and I take that charge back. I also briefed him, as a friend, and more. Sorry Robert, I crossed the line.
- Jeremiah Owyang
I'm going to guess Jeremiah will join Dave Armano and Peter Kim and work for Dachis.
- Ari Herzog
Dude, why would you do that? I knew where you were going both times, and I kept it to myself. I coulda broken it, but why violate trust.
- Jeremy Pepper
Jeremy: who you talking to? No one has violated any trust. We're all cool now anyway.
- Robert Scoble
Jeremy: and when I left Microsoft someone DID violate my trust and leaked it within hours. So what? It all works out. Coordination is overrated.
- Robert Scoble
LOL Jason. But Robert is right, co-ordination can be overrated.
- Ian Betteridge
Jeremiah - your recognition and classifications/categorizations of trends and strategies is truly unique. Thank you for all you've done at Forrester. Whatever your new role is, I hope you'll continue to share your thoughts.
- A Mitchell
"I want this to spread like wildfire. I want people to know that Flickr, their customer service and overall infrastructure is incredibly disappointing and it needs to be fixed ASAP. Reblog at LEAST the picture so people are aware. Days ago my Flickr account was hacked and then terminated leaving me with tons of questions without any answers. I received three e-mails in my inbox the morning I woke up: 1. [redacted]@hotmail.com has been added to your account! 2. Your password has been changed! 3. Your account has been terminated! All of which were done without verification e-mails sent to me. What kind of service is Flickr to allow these crucial changes to my account without allowing the original e-mail that registered the account verify that the information is correct? And who the fuck still uses Hotmail?"
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
I still think Flickr should take to heart the suggestion to hold pending account deletions in a bin for 10 days before they become permanent both allowing users to download any photos not backed up as well as potentially appeal and reverse Flickr staff account deletions. Invisible but not truly deleted. This is not Flickr Censorship, but having a policy like this could have at least let this guy get his account back after he'd been hacked.
- Thomas Hawk
A friend recently had his PRO account deleted. Thousands of private pictures and very few public. He's still wondering why it happened since his pictures were private and he never got a response.
- sean808080
I had a Flickr Pro / BLO meltdown on Twitter. I got dozens of ppl saying they had similar experiences, but NO response from Flickr. I still use it, but I am tinkering with alternatives. It is a JOKE.
- Liza
Flickr does in fact have a huge censorship problem with their staff deleting people's accounts, especially without warning or any recourse to get their account back. This is the biggest problem there at present. Having a temporary holding bin in place would allow them to reverse these decisions when they are badly made as well as provide relief to people like Morgan, who had his account nuked by a hacker in this case.
- Thomas Hawk
yet another reason to keep a personally administrated gallery somewhere using gallery2 or some other opensource package that will ensure safety and integrity of stills and other assets over the long term
- chad calease
from Alert Thingy
Well. Same thing with digg. No warnings etc. They just kill account.
- k00pa
Chad, for me at least, the issue isn't actually the photos. I've got copies of all of those. I wouldn't lose anything there, but rather the social activity around my photos. The hours and hours and hours I've spent posting in groups, having conversations on photos, faving photos. If Flickr nuked my account all of that would be irrevocably gone. For some the issue is that they don't have back ups. I'd be far more disappointed that a large part of the last four years of my online life were simply erased.
- Thomas Hawk
I would propose that we created a Flickr user group with the sole purpose of "helping" flickr find their way. A group like thad could rapidly become very large, and could applay a lot of pressure.
- Lars Clausen
I need serious help with FF. For an idiot like me this isn't so intuitive really. Help section is nice but I need someone to hold my hand ..bleeech. Don't get me wrong I am sorry I was reluctant to try FF before
- cheapsuits
I blame Scoble. It's always his fault :-)
- Keith Barrett
but how am I going to tell the world I need a cup of tea???? nooooooo
- Rachel Clarke
Giorgio - I'm seeing some activity through the Twitter API, too (that's what TweetDeck uses, I believe); not a lot, but some
- Robert J Taylor
I thought it was just my connection. ;-) I'm also having problems with Facebook today.
- Timothy Federwitz
yeah, it seems the web interface is down but the api is working..
- Giorgio
I think the social media experts are going to spend the next hour talking about Twitter being down
- Keith Barrett
Scoble's followers where the glue keeping Twitter together! now that he's 'pulled the pin' and released them all, Twitter has fallen down and can't get up.
- MikeAmundsen
Seems to me like some sort of an (DDoS) attack on Twitter and Facebook.
- Jari Hakkarainen
I'm so lost this morning without my cup-o-Twitter
- frank barry
You broke it Bob! All this follow/unfollow madness.
- ZuDfunck
They'll comment on it, much like I just did.
- Marlin Forbes
Yiorgas: read a book for a change? I do that anyway, but only about 10/month. need more twitter time to balance it out
- Rachel Clarke
Facebook is copying twitter too closely...even to going down at the same time
- Robert Littlejohn
Does Twitter have what it takes to be a big player? We've been working with their API on a project and every time there is something out of whack. Anyone else have the same issues?
- Chris Nadeau
twitter is really down, I think twitter itself should have a site that tweets when it's down :)
- Ata İsmet Özçelik
They will use FF to inform their friend that twitter is down
- Didier Girard
This is very interesting that it is impacting more than one social network ... can't even speculate what the cause is yet. Not getting much work done today I'm afraid, going to be following these conversations..
- Joe Magennis
I haven't been on twitter for days. I guess I picked the wrong morning to jump back in.
- Jeff Stannard
Robert: The most important question>> How many new sign-ups for FF today?
- K.N. Ajit Narayan
GUILTY ! I have had a FF account for awhile just never used it--
- cheapsuits
What the celebrities like you do. Talk about it on Twitter.
- Tad Chef
This actually made me laugh out loud, because I was thinking the same thing!
- Dan
This kind of reminds me of a line from Office Space: "I must have put a decimal point in the wrong place or something. Shit. I always do that. I always mess up some mundane detail."
- Jari Hakkarainen
Could this mean that CNBC was right??? Nooooooooooo!
- Travis Koger
I was planning to unfollow a bunch of followers due to Twitter's follow limit rule kicking in at the ~#2000 user level. I have to wait with that then... ;)
- Martin Lindeskog
I feel like we are all stranded on a tropical Island together
- Jeff Wiant
was afraid for a moment that out IT blocked all social networks or something horrible like that. Thank god FF came back up quickly. This might have gotten me to use FF more. I often neglect it.
- Ryan Cummins
Wondered why tweetdeck wasn't loading anything. actually got some programming work done. lol
- Justin Long
twits will move, but only until twitter is back online, then there will be a mass exodus. Remember during all of the 2007/2008 fail whales users still flocked back to it regardless.
- Travis Koger
Twitter, Facebook, now Posterous... 4chan organize an attack or something?
- Sam Harrelson
from IM
took inordinate amount of time to get into ff today as well
- A Zmaj
Hmmm DoS attack...someone wanting a ransom from Twitter?
- Mike Gargano
Guess they'll have to either pick up the phone or do some work :)
- Graham Bunting
Can someone with 94k followers really mock the the celebs and experts devoid of Twitter?
- Augie Ray
Hey, no bogus follow messages in my inbox for a while! ;-)
- Julie Barrett
from twhirl
This is teaching us something about the framework of the current Internet traffic patterns. We're watching cascade scale problems from one major Internet program going down.
- Melanie Reed
Facebook is giving up the ol', "Transport error (#1001) while retrieving data from endpoint `/ajax/inline_comments.php': A network error occurred. Check that you are connected to the internet" message now.
- 3Cinteractive, L.L.C.
from twhirl
I think this is bigger than Twitter and FB... I think it's some interweb routes or something. I had a VoIP call going with a party local to me and two across the country and I lost the two across the country, but maintained the local party. And others are commenting on other sites showing signs of outages.
- Timothy Federwitz
from Alert Thingy
Yeah, had all the characteristics of a DDoS attack. What do perpetrators of such attacks get from doing that, I've never understood.
- Jari Hakkarainen
The real bummer for me is, now I actually have to listen to the radio to get the word of the day!
- Travis Owen
is twitter connected with FB or Friendfeed? I am having page errors with both, Ajax issues with FB intermittently , I am no tech geek so I have no clue whats up and come here to learn
- lisa coultrup
Maybe Ev's interview on the BBC last night didn't go down well with the Iranians!
- Andrew
from iPod
Tracing route to twitter.com [168.143.162.100] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 172.16.1.1 2 25 ms 29 ms 28 ms lo1.br57.fra.de.hansenet.net [213.191.64.45] 3 24 ms 24 ms 23 ms ae1-252.prju01.fra.de.hansenet.net [62.109.64.13 7] 4 24 ms 23 ms 24 ms fra32-hansenet-3.fra.seabone.net [89.221.34.61] 5 120 ms 119 ms 195 ms ash1-new50-racc1.ash.seabone.net [195.22.206.2] 6 125 ms...
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- Zalt Woo
Ev coming onto the BBC last night and saying that they were asked by the US Goverment to keep Twitter up and running during the Iranian protests cannot have gone down well in Tehran!
- Andrew
from iPod
DoS on large portions of the internet. Is this 4Chan... Chinese... N. Korea... durkadurkastan...
- Ryan Cummins
now having trouble getting to Friendfeed
- Justin Long
look, few days ago Clinton back home with two imprisoned american journalists from North Korea and today Korea is attacking twitter? it is revenge)))
- obolonskyi
maybe Robert's great unFollowing crashed the servers... no loss! Go FF
- Jay Shapiro
from BuddyFeed
As I said, I predict a baby-boom in 9 months... wait and see!
- Jordi Soler
SEO Experts can analyze their charts, celebrities and wannabe's can entertain us with video (maybe some cool Twitter Whore like stuff) , and social media experts can quickly become Fail Whale Experts.
- Michele Lorito-Chase
@Lee Provost don't you thing you're going to be a little apocaliptic ? :-)
- Filippo Ronco
Twitter downing has to be a lesson for all of us. if sometimes gmail or even google will be down. what we all are going to do in that situation???
- obolonskyi
@Filippo i've been suprised many times that reality is often more wacked up than the conspiracy theories of geeks :-p
- Lee Provoost
I'm hoping the social media experts go away and do something useful.
- Parvez Halim
@Jordi LOL, considering that there are a vast amount of single male computer geeks out there in the twitter community, baby boom effect might be negligible :-D
- Lee Provoost
what is bad here? here doesnt exist reply button =(
- obolonskyi
@Lee single male computer geeks - LOL))
- obolonskyi
The realtime updates of the comments is great. FF rulez. Would be better though to have the comment link not on top
- Flynn (Michael A. Volz)
AAANND.. it's back. At least for a moment I guess..
- Alex Schleber
AAANND it's GONE! ..Again. At least I managed to send out a quick FriendFeed SOS, as in: "Still think you shouldn't have all of your favorite tweeps in a "backup system" on FriendFeed? Join here: www.friendfeed.com/alexschleber "
- Alex Schleber
Either collapse or back to use their phones in voice only mode, do some shopping, get eye to eye contact ... Blame god, and then. Give a serious try on FF ;p
- Marco ILLESCAS
from iPhone
They will still be able to Tweet to themselves - not sure if they will realize it is down until it comes back up.
- Phil Harrison
What will the blackhat SEO experts, the SM spammers, and the social media experts do during a widespread outage? The answer is obvious: While sitting out the crisis they're fine-tuning their methodology. Seriously, your question offends me. There's a gazillion of SEO experts out there who do not abuse social media.
- Sebastian
Sebastian there can't be a gazillion SEO experts! What's 10,000 keywords times 20?? (and that's being generous!)
- Arleen Boyd
Would a social media expert consider it to be a crisis? If they rely so heavily on just one or two tools that it's enough to throw them into a tizzy, their expert status would seem to me to be ... questionable, at best.
- Gord McLeod
Arleen, 10,000 keyword phrases times 20 is a tiny fraction of the search terms that are worth optimizing for. Think of the long tail. Also, consider lots of webmasters and even publishers / site owners / bloggers / Web developers ... SEO experts who are able to optimize their stuff quite successfully but don't sell or publish their expertise. Many of them, and even many SEO consultants, do make sensible use of social media, as plain users.
- Sebastian
Gord, in a social media spammer's book 2 hours of outage, IOW 2 hours w/o sales from sneakily distributed links to questionable sales pitches, can sum up to way more than a good day's beer money. ;) However, "crisis" might be a term too strong for this potential loss.
- Sebastian
You must be dying of laughter now Robert!
- Arleen Boyd
Arleen: yes, reading this is fun. Sebastien SEO types are so easy to wind up. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Gotta love it... @RobCairns says "come to Friend Feed? Not" and then his page shows ONE POST from Twitter in the past 18 hours! And that one talks about how Twitter seems to be slowing down again! (Sorry Rob, but that's just too good to let pass!)
- Mark It's 2000-Oh-1-Oh J
Robert, admit it, you broke Twitter by massively unfollowing people. The DDoS attack reports have just been a ruse to cover up the fact that you were the backbone of Twitter all this time.
- Louis Trapani
Keep running into the wall a few times then find alternate outlets such as ff, linkedIn, etc...
- Kirsten Mitchell
from iPhone
Looks like the devious plan to move everyone to FF is working well. LOL :)
- Geer
Ha! The whole Facebook Twitter slowdown may have been just people clicking on spam (not a DDoS botnet). How funny! Manual DDoS. See Bill Woodcock's theory at CNet, AP, SF Gate, and The Register http://ff.im/6gLmO
- Mitchell Tsai
There you go again implying the only ones that use twitter is SEO experts, the celebrities, the spammers, the bots, and the social media experts - This is definitely SPIN. Perhaps you should join CNN also LOL
- RetiredTeacherD
Ironic, given your status as a celebrity social media expert who constantly spams about bots... :-P
- David Kettler
Now they'll have time to shower and do their laundry!
- Ron Hagenhoff
FriendFeed has been almost completely blocked in Iran as far as we can tell. We have a large number of very active Iranian users, and we noticed a steep decline in activity yesterday. Graph below.
این نمودار نشاندهنده افت فرندفید به دلیل بسته شدن آن در ایران است
- Mycaptain
Bret: Is this based on IP numbers located in Iran, or actual activity from those users? If it's IP based, it'd be interesting to see the activity on a user basis and see if they've been able to route around the blocking.
- Ken Sheppardson
If Twitter were blocked and FriendFeed weren't, I'd expect an uptick in FriendFeed activity, not a 92% drop.
- Kevin Fox
I.e. given all the users who've previously accessed the site from an Iran IP number, how many have been active from different numbers in the past 2 days.
- Ken Sheppardson
Instead of "liking" this, shouldn't we have an "unlike" button?
- Steven Melfi
:( Bret: According to Stephen fry, these are the iran proxies: 218.128.112.18:8080 218.206.94.132:808 218.253.65.99:808 219.50.16.70:8080 . Can you track these IPs?
- Roberto Bonini
I knew this day was coming. Too bad.
- Robert Scoble
Steven - same feeling here. I always feel weird "liking" bad stories on FF
- Mike Bracco
How does traffic from China look? Or North Korea?
- τorƍue
like for spread but not like for the situation
- Imprenditore
I wonder what the international community can do about stuff like this. Eventually the "bad guys" will lose.
- Michiel Sikkes
Hopefully, we'll never see a graph like this for Turkey...
- Onur Şentüre
that's because the government has blocked access to friendfeed,twitter,facebook,youtube and ... after election and after protests in Iran cities !
- Farshad
Man... :( That's really a corrupt government. Hope it gets better soon.
- Peter
Kheyzaran mentioned over the weekend that both Twitter and FF were blocked for Iran starting I believe on Friday. He is using a proxy when possible to keep us updated
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Bret, any analysis about how many people unable to access FF directly are still able to access it via proxy?
- Daniel Dulitz
Daniel: Well, we are still getting a bunch of Farsi comments and posts. They may be Persians from outside Iran or from Iranians using proxies. We don't have a detailed analysis breaking those down at this point.
- Bret Taylor
Watching the "guerrilla cyberwarfare" aspect of the elections and reactions has been fascinating. Iran's universities are obviously full of resourceful, passionate geeks.
- John Craft
this is really bad. i hope there's some resolution to this. the people or iran have shown a lot of strength and courage to protest the illegitimacy of recent events. i don't think this will stop things
- Cee Bee
Is it possible that the same folks from Iran that are active on Friendfeed are the ones out protesting?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
please help us , we are under attack ,change friendfeed logo if you can
- فرزاد
make a room for us, invite your friends we will fill it with latest news
- Farshad
I'm completely for having a fair vote, but I'm not sure that I'd want to try and align FriendFeed with a particular candidate, which is what a green logo would imply.
- Kevin Fox
Many iranians using proxies to access FF. and therefore their IPs changes to fake IP .
- آدمیرال
MohammadReza: Maryam's mom is still able to call her relatives and friends in Tehran, so they are keeping some voice traffic open, if not all.
- Robert Scoble
@Kevin, totally understandable.
- EricaJoy
from IM
If Iran thinks they have nothing to fear, then why block Friendfeed?
- Frode Stenstrøm
Frode: because the government is like China: they believe that by retarding the flow of information they will reduce the threat of protests and governmental overthrow.
- Robert Scoble
Very reminiscent of the prelude to the fall of the Shah
- Alan Morris
I don't speak Persian, so I don't know all the searches, but there are still (luckily) a lot of Persian users posting: http://friendfeed.com/search.... If you are Persian and looking for updates, try our search engine to find the few users who still have access.
- Bret Taylor
Frode: and in Iran's case, they are run by conservative religious authorities and they don't like the fact that they are not in control of information flow like they used to be. They like to think they can still control information sources and, since they can't, they try to block places where their citizens can go to share information.
- Robert Scoble
is it a joke? iranian users seems the %90 of friend feed. it could not be real!
- Fırat DEMİREL
Firat: There are no units on the vertical axis of the chart.
- Ken Sheppardson
Firat: This is a chart of traffic from Iran, not of FF's total traffic.
- Kevin Fox
Firat, i doubt that this graph is a percentage graph... probably more likely that it's measuring hits, sessions, or total data transfered (mb, kb, etc)
- Chris Heath
Kevin: what impact did this have on FF's overall traffic?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Iran is the #6 country for FriendFeed in terms of page views per day.
- Bret Taylor
Thanks all for answers. i told that it could not be real.. :) excuse me, i ve just read Bret's notice and looked at breaking point. i saw what i've missed before.. bad news for ff and iran.. :(
- Fırat DEMİREL
These statistics are incredible, especially the normally heavy useage of FF in Iran.
- Curt Mercadante
Bret Taylor, we can tag our pix and vids about iran election by an english keyword such as 'iran' or 'iranelection'. I think it will help to ff non-persian users to find out more about unrests in iran.
- آدمیرال
Iran restored cell phone service Sunday that had been down in the capital since Saturday. But Iranians still could not send text messages from their mobile phones, and the government increased its Internet filtering in an apparent attempt to undercut opposition voices. Social networking sites including Facebook and Twitter were also not working.
- Üstün Üzüm
martin: those words are not mine actually from a news article from washinton post.
- Üstün Üzüm
On twitter people are retweeting the IPs and ports of unblocked proxies, can we do something like that here?
- Canageek
martin, i'm from iran. twitter is blocked. what evidence you wanna? screenshot!?
- آدمیرال
yes Canageek. we use proxies for tweeting
- آدمیرال
Authorities blocking the internet are just reinforcing solidarity between people, can't they understand ?
- Stanislas Jourdan
Stanislas: not to mention they encourage their smartest and richest people to leave (the ones who have technical skills). There's a reason why Silicon Valley has 10,000 or more Iranians living here. Their government sucks and the people are getting tired of it. Of course if their government was great I would never have met my wife (who grew up in Tehran). So, there is good to come out of a crappy government! :-)
- Robert Scoble
it has always seemed to me that the iranian user base is ENORMOUS here. wow. unbelievable.
- edythe
It is interesting how much civil unrest that is brewing across the globe towards their governments. The knee jerk reactions in attempting to block certain websites shows how much they didn't expect the net to become such a widespread conduit for cutting through the bs and informing those that wish to know. I wish those who take a stand all the best.
- alphaxion
Another way for those that are in Iran is to access through Netvibes (but I don't know if it works or if it's blocked too), adding Friendfeed, Gmail and so on such as modules
- Roberto.aka.tornosubito
Thanks for sharing this, Bret. It's valuable evidence of what's going on, evidence which wouldn't have been available even a few years ago.
- Michael Nielsen
Very interesting...so much for democracy and voting rights in Iran...
- freedom fighter mom
If anybody in Iran feels up to it, can you temporarily disable your proxy and run a traceroute to friendfeed.com and twitter.com then post the results here?
- EricaJoy
Bret and Paul, can you let us know if the traffic comes back, which would tell us they've unblocked FriendFeed?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: absolutely, we will let everyone know when it comes back up
- Bret Taylor
from email
Steven: You Like that it was posted, not the content of the post.
- Tanath
Bret, thanks for sharing the info about the dive. Shame, but what could we have expected from the Iranian status quo?
- Jon Osterholm
البته یه چیز هم هست اونکه بعد از فیلترینگ همه با آی پی غیر ایرانی می ان فرندفید و برای همنی آمارشون اینجا ثبت نمیشه ... وگرنه فکر نمی کنم از لحاظ تعداد نفراتی که میومدن کم شده باشه ... بلکه هم بیشتر
- HΛMΣD ƧΛFΛ
Yes, it happend and we have to use proxy to access friendfeed. Look at democracy in Iran...
- Zahra (raoros)
The coversations and comments here are educational.
- Seek Ground
Good luck to all of you trying to get around the censorship. I hope the big sites are doing what they can to help out.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Looking at the potential of this event in the future for numerous causes is mind-boggling. Really amazing.
- Charlie Anzman
Come to think of it, does FF have a presence in China? I'd imagine it's blocked there. I've seen Chinese on here, but never sure if that's from China or speakers outside.
- anna sauce
Yes, Friendfeed is blocked in Iran. Right now the papers and TV channels here are controlled by the government and our access to satellite channels is blocked too. Friendfeed and Twitter are quite vital for us now. Our main source of exchanging information and news is Friendfeed. Via Friendfeed we let everyone know that where people need help and where to go and how to help them and...
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- Selma
Nope, they have blocked all https addresses, we have had to sign in to Friendfeed via anti-filters for the past few months.
- Selma
its a shame. it was one the main media we used to inform ppl. thats why they filtered it. now many users cant sign in
- Myri∂m
Can't we "help" in some way? Providing proxies, I don't know, the kind of stuff pirates do. Pirates, and people trying to make a Revolution happen....
- Zackatoustra
It may not be long before Turkey joins the party.
- Sarp Tüzün
I just spoke with my friend Andres, the main BBC correspondent for the Middle East/Afghanistan, and he mentioned the web is being fire walled in Iran much the same as the the "Great Firewall" during last year's Olympics in China.
- sofarsoShawn
The Iranian websites that people used to exchange information about the election protests in Iran are under cyber-attacks by the government forces and from anonymous sources. Many of them are down right now. These Iranian websites were our few last remaining channels to inform people. What can we do about that? Is there anyone out there who can help us with this?
- emin
i was 53rd active user in friendfeed until this filtering. now i can open FF with proxies and if i can fine. a Vpn but many Vpn here come from companies that have relations with security services, i thunk they allow us to bypass filternig and then, they will arrest who has wrote against their goals
- خیزران kheyzaran
Can't we transfer the data/databases of the sites you, iranian guys, use to any new domain we could buy? I want to help. Not by throwing rocks to "security service" forces, but, at least, by making possible for what YOU have to say to go public, worldwide.
- Zackatoustra
FF is a useful website for Iranian People to get reliable information about demonstration against presidential election.
- پارسـا
so so sorry for iran people... I hope they will win...
- Tanaydin Sirin
and Now Yahoo messenger and google talk blocked in iran :((((
- پارسـا
Selma: 1- I don't use a proxy but clearing all but one (deleting them all logs me out) instance of each friendfeed.com cookie name and refreshing the page always solves this for me in Firefox. Has never happened on Lunascape or IE. Good luck.
- Alexandros Georgiadis
google block fftogo for iranian users!!!
- ★amin.m★
The reason I ask is because if you can email a post, then try sending it to share@friendfeed and also to YourUserName@friendfeed. Then when someone comments you'll receive an email about it and you can comment back to the thread via email as well.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
@Alexandros Georgiadis:for frienddeck.com I see this:You are accessing this page from a forbidden country! but dev.ctor.org/f2p worked! thank you :)
- ★amin.m★
from MojiPage
+ don't use your ISP's DNS server, verify your Firewall, search for rootkits.. + If you really wanna use Tor, be 'mobile', check the onion's status, don't be too confident, continue to use encrypted protocols & 'mobile' ports. At least, read Tor's docs and articles about Tor & privacy/security..
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
now chat like gmail or yahoo messenger are blocked too
- egza
for me,yahoo messenger is not blocked yet!
- ★amin.m★
from f2p
Alexandros: Frienddeck could work for certain parts - posts and queries against user accounts are proxied through the App Engine, searches are direct against Friendfeed so they could probably not work.
- Paul Kinlan
We wish the people of Iran well in these difficult times
- Marc
Not good at all. Best wishes to the Iranian FFers. I hope this whole mess gets cleared up quickly and with as little violence as possible
- Kamilah Gill
definitely DON'T LIKE this... >_< ...would love to be able do more than retweeting proxies
- Daniele
Best regards from Chile to all iranian people, we know a lot about bad government and human rights. Good luck, strength and courage to all of you.
- Roberto Arancibia
It's to bad there is such attempts to block free flow of information, how long will it be before there is more amazing differences happening? Such limits, hmm.
- Ray Marr aka Knatchwa
They have to keep the militants in check. Thank goodness for the pipes that were broken.
- tony
Interesting censorship- same can happen in America - I would like to talk to you abt Friendfeed and bringing over some large groups do you have time?
- JanSimpson
I've seen those censorship about FriendFeed (Iran). Do you know some interesting and objective blogposts about it?
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
from email
And China now has a similar blockage. You should also check on it.
- Kenyth
Sometimes we forget how easy we have it than other countries. But until people revolt & I mean a HUGE revolution injustices will still go on.
- Gabriella Sannino
che jaleb , oonvaght por comment dartarin feed kodoome? bebinim mishe feed 2khtare mardom e farzad davan davan ro be oon beresoonim?
- HΛMΣD ƧΛFΛ
from IM
The photographer who took this iconic image of the protests in Iran hasn't been heard from since Wednesday. Amir, Amir, where are you? More: - http://tehranlive.org/
is he missing or is he just hiding out?
- geoff hines
Iran is arresting scores of journalists and bloggers. This image deserves the Pulitzer Prize and still is the iconic image of the protests.
- Robert Scoble
Geoff: since he openly identified himself on friendfeed I imagine he's missing.
- Robert Scoble
Geoff: but I hope he's just hiding out.
- Robert Scoble
Wow. that photo i epic. It deserves mass recognition for sure!
- Adam Jackson
Adam: it's the cover of Life Magazine this week. I've seen thousands of images and it still is the iconic image of the protests for me.
- Robert Scoble
His website, http://tehranlive.org , was banned in Iran on Saturday but he still showed up here on FriendFeed after that. Anyone with information about Amir please post here.
- Robert Scoble
I've said the same ever since I first saw it. Women are the key to the moral case of the greens. Incredibly brave women
- Richard Drake
they won't let anyone capture photos or record videos but people are so brave to do this again.I don't know about this photographer ! I hope he'll be ok
- Viva Vida
This was recently posted on the about section of of his website http://tehranlive.org/about/ "Hello freedom fighters I got an email from one of his loved ones, Amir and some friends did not return last night and were arrested. I have spoken with the Iranian television station people and we ARE going to get the word out today on their tv station about his disappearance. Please stay strong. ian Ian said this on 21 June, 2009 at 7:38 pm | Reply "
- Jon Dillon
Jon: I was afraid of that. People ask how I can put up with critics. This is how. No one has ever threatened me with jail or death for what I do. I hope one day to meet Amir. He is a hero in my eyes.
- Robert Scoble
I'm praying for his safety (and everyone else's as well).
- joey
Byron: it's clear that other people are helping him get news out. My son and other family members have my passwords so they can take over my accounts after my death.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, thanks so much for popularizing this story. I agree that this photo is the equivalent of the Tiannemen photo. This is no longer, or even ever was, about an election, stolen, rigged, unfair or otherwise. This is about a people no longer will to allowing their theocratic dictatorial masters to control and suppress them. This is about a people wanting to express their natural...
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- Zachary Adam Cohen
WTF!!! In Ukraine Orange Revolution was peaceful. The rest of the world is with Iran now.
- obolonskyi
@Robert The courage of Amir and his fellow compatriots is incredible. Lets hope he is safe. Our staff (AFP) are shut in their bureau unable to move and its thanks to people like Amir that the world is aware of whats going on
- Jon Dillon
Misha: the regime in Iran is brutal. Jon: one of my favorite quotes from when I was a photojournalism student is Robert Capa's "If your pictures aren't good enough, you're not close enough." Amir got close enough. It should be noted that Capa died when he got too close to a mine. Amir, it seems, got too close too. Journalists who put their lives in danger to bring us the news are heroes. If you ever are in Washington DC, go and visit the Newseum. You'll see just how many have died to bring us the news.
- Robert Scoble
LIFE posted this under one of his photos on their site (http://is.gd/18v2L) A NOTE TO OUR READERS: We are saddened to report that the Iranian photojournalist, whose pictures appear in this gallery, is missing. He has not been in contact with us; this morning we received the following email from one of his relatives. We will update this space when we have more details. THE EMAIL: Hi im...
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- Anita Hunt
Anita: there are dozens of journalists and bloggers in jail. Amir took the iconic image of the protests and now is the iconic leader of those who are in jail. I hope I am able to shake his hand someday. He is a hero to me. It is why I carry my camera almost everywhere. Today I will write Amir on my Canon 5D. I hope I have 1/1000th as much courage as he did making this image. I will probably come up short of even that low bar.
- Robert Scoble
we must not stop to hope for him and his friends. that´s what all these brave people over there teach us at the moment. hope & courage. I´m impressed for life.
- esther ♥ ♫
All are unable to arrest. There is always someone who will do film or photos and publish it on the Internet.
- Ireneusz Jankowski
Thanks for keeping us posting and praying for all of the brave souls who took the risks to show the world...
- Tracy Benham
"If your pictures aren't good enough, you're not close enough." What a great saying. We need to support people like this who are willing to risk everything for the greater good.
- Robert Wilkins
So glad there are people like Amir willing to risk their lives for their fellow man. I hope he's just hiding.
- Alex Hellstrom
Amir is missing, Please pray for my best Friend Amir :((
- Havang
Havang you know Amir? I hope he turns out OK. Please keep safe.
- Robert Scoble
Yes I know him, he is one of my best friends, it's been a few days that we have no news of him
- Havang
Currently no way to have no communication with him.
- Havang
New tweet from @LIFE 'No further word from our Iranian photojournalist. His family says he was arrested. We hope for better news soon'
- Anita Hunt
OMG, I'm in tears not only for Amir and others who are going through their own holocausts but the beautiful words on this thread! You people are amazing! FF is amazing for giving us this platform.
- Myrna
@Havang: we'll pray for Amir and for the other missing / arrested people, we will not let you alone
- Chiara Lorè
Yes Chiara, its true Havang. You're not alone!
- Myrna
Amir, our thoughts are with you and hope for your safe return.
- Head Ov Metal
According to this article there are now 33 Iranian journalists and bloggers in jail http://bit.ly/Ejq81 - I am sure there must be many more. God Bless them and Keep them Safe from Harm.
- Kay Designer
rob: thx for the info! i am gonna make sure that the news spreads! he will not be forgotten
- tenili
++Ireneusz "All are unable to arrest. There is always someone who will do film or photos and publish it on the Internet." - as long as there are people like Amir and Ireneusz to keep reporting and keep taking photos and keep believing, the message will be heard and change will come! Keep strong everyone in jail and everyone still striving to report on what is going on.
- Rachel Lea Fox
Dear friend, I am Williams Dize, nice looking and Gentle guy with a passion of life and happiness of friendship, There are so many things that people does not know about friends, Because they have not find the real friends. True Friends lays on both partners, Life is Precious when you are with the right one, heaven is really when you have the time to share with others, Persionalities...
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- william
He is being held in the notorious Evin Prison in Tehran since his arrest on Saturday. His family received a phone call from him yesterday and they are hopeful of his safe return soon. God only knows what they are doing to him in that hell-hole. Pray for him.
- Beth K
HIs family is asking to keep his name out of the press for now, because the authorities may not know who he is, in terms of his photos and blog. He may have been picked up for having a camera at the demonstration.
- Beth K
i really hope he can return home really soon! please let us know!
- Ivy /composmentis
from email
I will be sure to post updates here when we get them
- Beth K
Beth, what is the facebook url? Name of group so I can search. Last url didn't work.
- Myrna
sorry...they have made the group private and I am not an admin so I cant invite you. That is why I deleted the url. I will post here with any updates I get.
- Beth K
it is confirmed by Amir's family that he is home with them now. Just released from Prison. We do not know how he is doing other than he is happy to be home. I will update here as I get more information.
- Beth K
Was the mob attack on you and your car personal? Or did you just happen to be there?
- RobinDotNet
And doesn't propose solutions. Instead he compare MobFeed to a disease. Got it. OK, now what?
- Robert Scoble
Arrington looks to draw criticism and mobs because it's good for his business. Anyone who argues with him is simply making him more successful.
- Carlton Prest
This sounds like a setup to a Clay Shirky field day.
- Dean Clark
Your point on Arrington here is well-taken, Robert. He who uses mobs shouldn't complain when they sometimes turn on him.
- Ken Kennedy
Just happened because I was in the wrong place at wrong time. I have never been so terrified as that.
- Robert Scoble
If you want to retard mobs you have to be involved. That is why I went on air with Arrington and Laporte after Laporte blew up. It is also why I spoke up on Arrington's behalf after I saw the mob was going too far.
- Robert Scoble
I still think comparing FF to a disease is over the top. FF is just a tool, basically. You could aslo blame usenet groups, chat rooms, etc. You could encourage a mob in so many different ways these days that singling out FF is lame.
- RobinDotNet
Robert: I have to hand it to you, I am confused, you seem to have conflicting points. On one hand you say you don't like mob suppression and now you saw that this personal experience terrified you. Are you for mobs, against mobs? please clarify.
- Sean E Brown
Sean: I would rather live in America than Iran. That doesn't mean I like mobs but police don't shoot into mobs here.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I love ya, seriously - but this pretend spat with Michael Arrington is starting to look like two very intelligent men getting a lot of traction, on a slow news day? PLEASE tell me I am wrong (I want to be.)
- Jim Connolly
Robert: No, they don't. Thank [insert deity here]. I would rather live here too. I don't liek mobs or mob mentality when they are formed for the wrong reasons OR start as something well intentioned then escalate into stupidity (Rodney King -- That's right, I said it)
- Sean E Brown
Jim: I didn't plan this out and am not communicating with him other than in public.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: The very fact this IS being played out in public is what makes it visible - no? You guys are friends right?
- Jim Connolly
On that note.. "Can't we all just get along?" I'm going to give my dog a bath. Hope to hear you on Twit again soon Robert. Have a good afternoon. BTW, I sent you a tweet on Tamron lenses yesterday. Do you have any comment on them (privately/publicly)?
- Sean E Brown
Sean: I haven't tried Tamron lately.
- Robert Scoble
Jim: yeah I am Arrington's friend. Except when he uses his mob against me.
- Robert Scoble
Wait, the car that was damaged -- is that the car Louis Gray bought? If so, did you disclose the damage? :)
- Stephen Mack
Stephen: Louis's BMW didn't exist in the 1980s.
- Robert Scoble
I can't help but be amused by all this. In the last twenty years I've seen variations on this squabble played out by dozens of different people on BBSes, usenet, forums, blogs. I've been guilty of causing a few too. It's not the technology. It's the people. If you spend a lot of time spouting opinions in public, you're going to get into arguments. If your public rhetoric is...
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- Eoghann Irving
nice! i was going to come up for this but I'm all alone with the puppies while my wife is volunteering at an orphanage in Thailand.
- Jason Calacanis
from Bookmarklet
Jason, when you get one of these can I just catch a quick ride? Please?? Lol
- Cody Heitschmidt
from fftogo
I hope to be driving a nice sensible Tesla sedan in 5 years or so.
- Tad
Same here, Tad. Just read a great article about one of the founders, last night. Made me respect the company and their mission even further.
- Bradley McSpinn
@Tad 5 years sounds about right. Their first sedan (next year or 2?) will still be out of the reach of most.
- Carlos Ayala
"Cloud computing, in which software runs not on PCs or company servers but instead on computers on the Internet, requires something of a leap of faith both technologically and culturally. Those making the move must get accustomed to a reliance on somebody else's computing infrastructure, and that can be scary."
- tech.newsjunk.com
ok, another device to add to the bag, been watching this for awhile, but now going to make the commitment. looking forward to getting one by monday.
- michael sean wright
But how many Kindles are in the wild? I think Leo might account for 50% of that 12%. I think those that sprung for the device are just buying more books. Though it's definitely increasing sales and margins.
- xero
i am still the member of the jury that is out. my one reprieve from the screen is my book, in my bed, next to my dogs, right before i go to sleep. maybe it's because i write books that i am a luddite on this one particular medium.
- Brooke Shelby Biggs
@ Brooke Shelby Biggs- oh it won't replace my "real" books, but think it will be great for flights, etc. agree with you though, reading a book is one of the last reprieves from the glowing screen world.
- michael sean wright
Ebooks will substantially replace books (and etexts texts) once people figure it out. Absolutely guaranteed. Nostalgia about the look, feel and smell of paper, etc. simply is not going to cut it. (I currently read 10 ebooks for every book, and I've got a personal library of thousands of traditional books.)
- Sean McBride
See also: Kindle love from Washington Post Company CEO—but can his newspaper learn to appreciate others’ iPhone love? http://tinyurl.com/6oltao QUOTE Gillian Wee’s feature leads with the word that Donald Graham, the 63-year-old CEO of the Washington Post Company, "says he hardly ever leaves home without his Kindle digital book reader from Amazon.com Inc."
- Sean McBride
if the kindle had more of the books I want - especially the full o'reilly and wrox libraries, I'd already have one. The iPhone App Store could learn a thing from the Kindle and it's free 1st chapter preview.
- felix
The title is hype. It's not 12% of books sold on Amazon, it's ONLY 12% of books available either on Kindle or offline = Amazon Kindle is a Flop.
- Sprague D
I would love the Kindle buy one in an instant if I could get books for it at my local library...until then...no thanks
- Snay Trivedi
@Sean - Agree about people making the switch. Once there is a great reader (not opinion on Kindle) then people will switch en masse. Paper books will become collectibles, nostalgic, or formal -- I liken it to the handwritten letter vs email.
- xero
xero - You get it. What is amusing is that many people confuse the warm and fuzzy feelings they experienced while reading books with the physical properties of the book. They've been conditioned to associate the content of great books with the physical medium in which the content was delivered. In truth, there is nothing sacred about the physical medium -- it is entirely abitrary...
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- Sean McBride
Kindle's a flop? It was sold out for 5 solid months.
- Brent Newhall
@Sean - Some books will always be better in print, but generally only those who used the print as an artistic medium and not a means to convey text. Example: http://tinyurl.com/6y9kth
- xero
Until Amazon is more forthcoming about sales data (of both hardware and digital content), quotes about the Kindle being either a flop or a success are useless. I am perfectly willing to move to digital books (already own a Kindle) but the publishing community is dragging its collective feet until there is minimal risk.
- Jill O'Neill
Does anyone know if a new version is coming out soon? Also wouldn't it be great if when you buy the physical copy from Amazon you get the Kindle version as well!
- Derek Coatney
I like the Kindle on airplanes, but you have to train yourself which is page back or page forward
- Francine Hardaway
from twhirl
I have both a Kindle and Sony Reader. Once I got a decent cover for the Kindle, it's lame-o hardware UI seemed to fade away. Best part is that it has the Amazon.com bookstore behind it. I read more now, esp with intent. I sit down with the intent to read and not at some tiny screen that will probably ring on me. Currently reading: Halting State
- Eric Rice
+1 xero @Jill Amen on the publishing community front. I would like for Amazon to add a feature that makes it easy for me to tell a publisher I want a book in Kindle format.
- EricaJoy
These numbers are meaningless. 12% of the sales on the 130K titles they have available. There is no unit sales metric here! The Kindle sold out figure is also meaningless since they never revealed how many they produced. The title coverage is still pathetic (not even a third of books published in a year) and the price doesn't overcome the natural obstacle of no motivating change for this media.
- AJ Kohn
Amazon needs to further motivate publishers to support the device at a discount versus the traditional media. I agree that Kindle can demand a slight premium for its instant content delivery, but the price of a Kindle copy shouldn't be equal to the printed copy... ever. From a user experience standpoint, the Kindle is an outstanding device, but the books seem to be over-priced right now.
- Kevin Donahue
Sorry - lower the price to under $150 and get rid of the DRM. Otherwise I'm totally uninterested.
- Tad
@Kevin: I agree, but the relationship between Amazon and publishers is barely civil at this point. There is a track record between Amazon and publishers back to the eCommerce days ... and publishers are still smarting. In the UK, the largest UK publisher has had enough: http://tinyurl.com/5cwvao I think some publisher's would rather anybody else but Amazon have the lead position in digital book distribution.
- AJ Kohn
I don't have one yet, but I'm starting to see them (just like when we first saw iPods). Kevin Fox has one. My sister has one.
- Louis Gray
what's the deal with the new experience? Am I missing something?
- Giovanni De Stefano
sorry, I mean the new user experience - like if you want to see how to welcome new users in - the way that do that is almost as awesome as the app
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
The user experience would have been better for me if they said up-front that the Windows version wasn't available/
- Roger Jennings
"This week, the media continued to bend over backwards to repeat whatever narrative McCain wants them to. He even refurnished his airplane with a VIP section for the most obedient reporters."
- newsjunk.com