Yeah. LOL. I just made it official, like in the Thriller video...except that I didn't turn into a werewolf and chase her through the woods....
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Not fair that the lady gets to wear a fancy ring before we even do the church thing. What's the point of being engaged if you can't flaunt it? LOL. Thanks everyone :)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Congratulations, Rahsheen! I had a similar thought for Harold when he gave me my ring: "Gee, kind of unfair the guy doesn't get to wear something too until the wedding."
- Kamilah Gill
John: I remembered the flintstones' infant daughter Pebbles Flintstone after your comment. She was using a phone like this Stone, wasn't she? : )
- Erhan Erdogan
Still: the Apple Age 1976-2008. The Stone Age 3 million BC-3000 BC. Steve Jobs ain't gonna be around *that* long (barring major innovations in life prolongation that I'm sure he'd be able to afford.)
- Victor Ganata
For most situations, I prefer the iPhone. I get really bad reception with my rock.. and it's hard to check my stocks and get directions to the pizza joint with it. But it works great as a makeshift mallet for pounding tent stakes when camping! My iPhone's a little to fragile for that. At least my iPhone can double as a flashlight in a pinch!
- Jackson D. Carson
I'm sorry for this post, I wanna delete it now. :-) I had an iPhone gift and I'm very happy with my new Apple. She is really better than stone. http://friendfeed.com/e... :-)
- Erhan Erdogan
...because it has a touchscreen, right? O:-)
- Marcos Marado
but the question is how fast does google capture data form timeline?
- Veetrag
Veetrag: in minutes, is my experience. No longer than a day, for sure.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert I noticed that too, but I believe its because we write much more than 140 characters. So Google wouldn't have tweaked algorithm for it.
- Veetrag
Robert: Thanks for the info. Do you have any idea how soon does that information becomes obselete? Does Google have infinite storage/indexing capacity.
- Veetrag
Google has posts of mine from years ago still in its index.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: One more question, does Google give more importance to information from people with more followers? If so, they have to tweak algorithm for every service.
- Veetrag
I agree Robert. I have even seen friendfeed post's higher than the actual blog post there about.
- TheHenry
Veetrag: I don't think so. But they DO give more importance to items that have more inbound links. So I bet getting retweeted helps.
- Robert Scoble
True, blog posts can remain forever. but these sites are generating content at much faster rate. And we have many more services.
- Veetrag
TheHenry: me too. Veetrag: Twitter generates 10Gigs of new data per day. That's nothing for Google to swallow. Google has many hundreds of thousands of computers and maybe more than a million. Not a problem at all.
- Robert Scoble
My FriendFeed posts on Google seem to climb and fall; it's not obvious why. It's also strange that I get Google Alerts on my alert topics when I tweet on it, but not from Friendfeed.
- Keith Barrett
So I need to start posting my blog posts here? Sheesh! :)
- Sid Burgess
Robert and Veetrag: From my experience Google's index crawl sites [like Friendfeed] rapidly. And probably more than twitter because quite a bit of content it generated as opposed to a 140 char. tweet.
- Amir
from iPod
Dont you think, posts with more 'likes' should get higher priority too? Or they are already doing it.
- Veetrag
However the sites appear in Google's index within a couple hours.
- Amir
from iPod
Dozens of examples doesn't mean much when there are billions of keyword combination. If FF has the only use of a particular set of keywords, then it will rank by default.
- Gary
I noticed this a while back. My last big Flickr upload was a Merced roller derby bout. My FF post is number 2 after Flickr. http://www.google.com/search...
- Russellreno
Cool, I guess. Puts 1 google to rule them all back in an agile search play.
- Robert Higgins
Gary: OK, fine, how would you like to demonstrate which site will get you Google juice? Personally it all depends on what gets linked to. Or did you forget my "brrreeeport test" of Google? http://www.google.com/search... where I made up a fake word and got people to link to see what would happen?
- Robert Scoble
I have said earlier,my friendfeed post appeared within 48 hours in Google search. This was two months ago.
- ashish
Veetrag: I bet more likes get more Google Juice. Why? More pages are linking to the original item.
- Robert Scoble
I'm not saying FF has zero juice. I'm sure it is a value greater than zero, but I because anything can be posted by anyone, it would be hard for Google to give it much authority. If it did FF would instantly become a spam magnet. If a trend was started on FF and was later picked up by blogs, I'm sure the FF post wouldn't rank as high as the blogs.
- Gary
Robert, I clicked on your link above which led me to Google search results. I clicked on the first result which was to a post of your with a link to Leo's FF. I clicked on that link to get to Leo's FF post, which was a link to Digg. I clicked on that and went to Digg which was a link to martinsargent's Twitter account.
- Rochelle
Rochelle: even better, it's a full employment act for content producers because you need to click six times to get what should take one. Fair point! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Gary: you're wrong. Google knows which FriendFeeder has more inbound links. My pagerank here is seven. What's yours?
- Robert Scoble
Gary: you are wrong, twice. I have seen quite a few places where FriendFeed gets higher ranked than the blog. It makes sense, because the FriendFeed item is getting linked to by lots of people and the blog isn't (I often link here, because the conversation is worth linking to).
- Robert Scoble
I've noticed. My Friendfeed page shows up in a search for my name at about position 3 or 4 whereas for years the first instance of my actual self would show up around page 4. I'm not a content producer nor a particularly active person, so I figured it was FF picking up steam.
- Rob Haas
Gary: finally, FriendFeed is going to prove to be very resistant to spam for a whole lot of reasons, most of which I won't go into here because I don't want spammers to figure out ways around the resistance. But for one, if you block someone here it is a COMPLETE block, not half assed like over on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Robert what exactly were the terms of the contest? Did it expressly say something to the effect that interviews were guaranteed by public vote, influenced by public vote or just that they asked the public to vote?
- Melanie Reed
Melanie: they asked the public to vote and then, apparently, didn't care what the public said.
- Robert Scoble
Robert thanks for clarifying. Well, they're off the hook legally. But they simply didn't understand the implied "rules" of SM, which, let's face it, can be intimidating for the uninitiated. I have no background on how "initiated" the MG SM team were but it is possible, indeed, appears plausible that they didn't even expect that much feedback. Which only goes to show that perhaps many in...
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- Melanie Reed
Robert: Yes. This was about "hearing the message" in the public dialogue that all good advertising campaigns should understand. It just happens faster on the Internet. And it recalls parallels in the "Palace vs. the Death of Princess Diana and the Public Reaction" dilemma. If I was going to teach a SM class to Enterprise SM teams, I would start there with elements they could relate to and then progress to the Murphy-Goode Affair. ;)
- Melanie Reed
FriendFeed ranks very well for me and often appears higher than my blog; however, since my blog is relatively new and fast-growing, those results are changing. My blog posts appear here in FriendFeed in near real-time, then get tweeted out with FF URLs re-directing back to my blog, so I am leveraging FriendFeed's Google juice to promote my blog's ranking and it is working! FriendFeed is one of my top inbound link referrers to my blog - Yay! :)
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
I think Friendfeed posts with more like will definetly get more Google juice. Friendfeed often has a higher page rank than blogs because Friendfeed links back and all the conversation is generally here than at the blog.
- Amir
from iPod
Not just for Google. also Bing, Yahoo, and some up-and-coming search engines
- TransContext Steve
Mac users, rejoice -- well, the BlackBerry users in the lot of you, anyway. RIM's been infamous over the years for all but ignoring Mac support for its devices, throwing out the occasional bone like Media Sync, but they're now going big with a full-fledged Desktop Manager supporting Mac OS 10.5.5 and above when it launches... sometime. The big sticking point right now is that RIM isn't talking about an availability date, all we know is that it'll happen some time in September -- but when that date comes, you'll have a suite that's able to sync iTunes, add and remove apps, perform firmware updates, create backups and restore from them, and manage multiple BlackBerrys at the same time. Nokia, maybe you guys want to take note here?
- zsafwan
from Bookmarklet
Some features that will be present in the first release are as follows: - Sync your iTunes playlists, calendars, contacts, notes and tasks - Add/Remove applications - Update your device when new software becomes available - Backup and restore your device data with such features like automatically scheduled backups and optional encryption - Manage multiple devices
- zsafwan
"Today we are launching version 2 of the FriendFeed API for beta testing. We focused on making the API simpler to use, and we added number of compelling new features." Documentation: http://friendfeed.com/api...
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
nice, good to see OAuth support, this will enable a larger 3rd party ecosphere around FriendFeed, I hope
- Jeroen De Miranda
After going through the documentation and playing around with some feeds, I love the fact that you can now see the subscriber lists of people who have their feeds set to private as long as you are subscribed to them and authenticate (mimicking the main site functionality). One thing that's absent is a discussion of Direct Messages. Do they show up in feeds if you authenticate? How do we find just direct messages?
- Mark Trapp
Mark: direct messages are accessed using the feed ID "filter/direct". Read more about feed IDs at http://friendfeed.com/api.... Also direct messages appear in the "home" feed.
- Benjamin Golub
Benjamin: ahhh, I see it now. I missed it when skimming that list over. Thanks!
- Mark Trapp
Can you post the wget version of the command line?
- Gabe
Gabe: wget --user=bgolub --password=passwd --post-file=MyPhoto.jpg http://friendfeed-api.com/v2... should work. In theory. Edit: nope. I'm not sure it's possible to do with wget.
- Mark Trapp
Oh dear. And now I'm thinking "Command line Friendfeed UI - I can do that - that would be do-able" ;-) Nice work peeps, especially the subscriber list info! :-)
- Andy Bold
Gabe: wget doesn't support multipart forms as a design decision. If you post a file, FriendFeed returns a 404, and if you post data, the query is too long for wget to handle.
- Mark Trapp
Woowoo, bgolub's password is “passwd” ;-)
- Amit Patel
Amit: I wonder how many people tested that :)
- Benjamin Golub
Thanks to bgolub posting his password, I now have all of FriendFeed's secret documents about notorious users, useless metrics, Justin Timberlake's promoting FF on Oprah's show, hiring Colbert as a spokesperson, Ev Williams being just a “distraction”. TechCrunch is going to love this! ;)
- Amit Patel
Yes big big thanks to the whole team for all their hard work!!
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
from iPhone
Features: Google Voice gives you one number for all your phones, voicemail as easy as email, and lots of cool calling features like voicemail transcripts, call screening and blocking, conference calling and more. The Google Voice dialer is an application that allows you to use Google Voice on your phone. * Send and receive SMS messages from your Google Voice number * Save money with low...
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- zsafwan
Unfortunately, our Enterprise policy forbids third-party installs on the Blackberry
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Looks like a great app. Unfortunately, you still need an invite to access it, correct? If so, anyone happen to have an extra? :)
- Matt Thompson
If you don't have an Android powered device or a Blackberry you can use Google Voice on your phone by visiting www.google.com/voice/m
- zsafwan
You'll need a Google Voice account to use the mobile application. Currently, Google Voice is only available in the U.S. If you'd like to check it out, request an invite http://bit.ly/teOoL
- zsafwan
Downloading, even though I STILL haven't gotten my Google Voice invite. Thanks!
- Shevonne
Only downside is that while you can initiate calls and SMS from the Google Voice app, you still are using the Blackberry phone module to receive calls. Also need to keep your Google voice forwarding to your mobile phone, though not sure you need to keep forwarding SMS messages to that same device anymore.
- Lyndon Washington
@Lyndon - agreed. Very cool and definitely useful. Will be an absolute killer w/ VOIP.
- Aaron Crews
Cool, I so need a BlackBerry or a new phone though, I am stuck with the LG Neon for now.
- Zachary TG
the blackberry app is a bit lacking. I actually had to read the help page to figure out how to send a text message using it. I was happy with the mobile web interface, but this app is definitely a must have if you have a bb and a google voice account!
- acedanger
Geoff: he should have gotten on the final 50 list if he had the most popular video. I'm not saying he should have gotten the final job, either. But yes they did screw up. By not letting the crowd have their day they are no better than Iranian elections. I think the same folks who did the Twitter Suggested User List did the judging here. Lame.
- Robert Scoble
Who is running the PR department over there? Horrible decision by murphy goode winery.
- Abe
Abe: the same guy who does the Iranian Elections and the Twitter Suggested User List decisions. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
For a company hoping to employ social media, it's obvious they don't have a clue.
- Frederick Hoey
I would think that we can talk about it for a few more hours....but then we need to stop uttering the words Murphy Goode. Remember the old adage about bad publicity. So let's not give them any publicity at. all.
- Mike Dowden
Wasn't the whole idea to reach out & market to the twitter community? Obviously Martin was able to garner more eyes than anyone else.
- David Bailey
I'm guessing they already have a person picked out that they want and are using this simply as a marketing ploy. Just say no to Murphy Goode. Plenty of other good wines to drink.
- David Bailey
these plays for jobs are really sad, prey on the desperation of new media kids.
- sean percival
Murphy Goode has no idea how badly they've butchered their company. They got more press since he uploaded his video than they ever got before and now its all for nothing because everyone who discovered them will turn against them. The tech community is very powerful and very loyal.
- Justin Luey
in the process, they harvested about 6,000 of our email addresses.
- Ron Hixson
Has the winery given a response to this? Are they even aware they screwed the pooch here?
- Michael Turro
Michael: I have no idea, but they should be watching Twitter Search at minimum for their brand name if they want to play in this field.
- Robert Scoble
I missed this whole story. Is the deal a Wine company was offering a special job and Martin applied and lost?
- Mark
This is the Murphy Goode Winery, who was having a contest to find a social media expert to represent the winery. Mark, right. http://twitter.com/areally... is Murphy-Goode's Twitter account.
- Robert Scoble
Martin had the #1 YouTube video and wasn't on the Top 50 list.
- Robert Scoble
My friend made a very cool video.... more clever than some of the other finalists - and he didn't make the cut. http://tr.im/pMcK
- Lisa Osborne
Was the contest a popularity one as in the most votes wins or was it a best person wins deal?
- Mark
Mark: popularity should at least be considered it seems if you're going to ask the public to participate.
- Robert Scoble
Yeah, but the island reef people waited until the contest was over to pick their person.
- Matthew DeVries
Without a doubt, he should have been on the final 50 list. The contest doesn't seem to have any rules that would exclude him (just took a quick look). This way, they could have used any criteria for not choosing him as a final 10 contestant and/or the winner. By doing it this way, they may get attention, but as you noted, its not good attention and for owners of the winery, I'm sure this is not something they anticipated when they agreed to this contest.
- Jeff Pomeroy
Interesting logical flaw - they selected the finalists based on their measured ability to generate web2.0 traffic. Logical next step is that this person could do the same for their brand. THEN they completely fail to proceed, with the person left feeling 'screwed over, plus thousands of potential clients that left their emails and also feel 'screwed over'. The logical next step is that...
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- Alistair Nicholson
Right, Alistair-- let's source via social media.. then ignore all of the networks. The responses seem to be mixed in the wine community; the social media community seems to be more insulted! Some reactions: http://bit.ly/s9Wei .
- Julie
I think going out of our way to not buy their product is in order...
- Thomas
I support their decision. There are lots of good quality candidates with more credentials than Martin. I'm sorry, I like the guy, but just because he has a powerful internet posse at Revision 3 does not mean he deserves the job. There are lots of great candidates out there--some without a job--that don't have the extra pull of a podcast community to support them. I know I'm in the minority, but I had to say it.
- Fleagle
Unfortunately Fleagle, they don't specify that they're looking for a candidate without "the extra pull of a podcast community to support them." On the contrary, they WANT someone as connected as Martin to prop up their activities in the Web 2.0 community.
- Eric Geller
I wonder if the nature of his past works and the image that it portrayed onto him had anything to do with their choice. Would you, as a business owner, really want the host of such shows as infected, Web drifter, and Internet Superstar to be the spokes internet person for your company?
- Wizetux
And I'm not upset that he didn't get the job, but to not even be in the top 50?
- Thomas
Can we get a "Screw you!" at Murphy-Goode, Leo?
- Mike Nayyar
Eric, if all they want is someone with 'connections', then I guess they did miss the mark here. It's not my company, so I can only assume they have an idea what they want.
- Fleagle
Yes, i would have thought atleast martin would get in the top 50...
- Bryce Campbell
If the goal of this was to connect to users in the new media, I would've thought having a built in base would have been a plus for him...
- Thomas
Never mind the fact that he actually knows a bit about wine and can speak knowledgeably on the subject. Or the fact he has previous experience not only producing content but the technical side of it.
- Johnny Worthington
Fleagle: That *is* all they want. They have said that before. That's why we're both angry AND confused.
- Eric Geller
Pretty simple then I guess. If that's really all they wanted, then they dropped the ball here.
- Fleagle
Let the Bad PR spread across the wires, then who ever gets the job will really have their work cut out for them.
- Wizetux
They didn't just drop the ball, they let go of it while holding it over a cliff.
- Eric Geller
Looking at their rules for applying, the only thing I can think of at this point is that maybe they thought there would be an issue with the "irrevocable and perpetual right to use your name, likeness, appearance, voice, biographical information and video anywhere in the world, without your further consent" part.
- Thomas
I think they already failed at the Social meida
- Fee501st
Thomas: If you're saying that Murphy Goode had that thought, then I'm confused. It's their rule, why would they disqualify someone if that person applied knowing the rule?
- Eric Geller
Because he's well know (relatively), maybe they thought that clause would be an issue with him. Not saying it's really what caused it, though... http://www.areallygoodejob.com/finepri...
- Thomas
Thomas: I agree with you that Martin could have had that thought, but that's for him to decide. Murphy Goode shouldn't disqualify someone because they assume that their own rule will be a problem. They should let Martin take that into his own hands. (Which he did by applying anyway.)
- Eric Geller
Kevin Rose just tweeted about this - even more bad press for the winery...
- Thomas
I think maybe the biggest blunder on their part was of course posting the top 50. It would be different if they just announced the winner I think. That way, even though most probably would've disagreed, you'd have to respect a little bit that it was their decision to make. But not even having Martin in the top 50 is probably going to bite them in the arse in the coming days.
- Fleagle
I definitely agree on that point. If you put something to a vote and then have a top 50, make sure the top vote getters are on the list - even if you don't intend on picking them.
- Thomas
hmm. Anyone else see a comparison between the Iranian election and this selection process?
- Wizetux
Getting to be the #1 most popular video on the topic should have earned Martin a spot on the top 50 list. I'm not saying it should have gotten Martin the final job, either.
- Robert Scoble
Wizetux: I think they must have the same person who decided on Twitter's Suggested User List doing the judging. Really lame. Yes, it's the same thing as an Iranian Election. Exactly.
- Robert Scoble
Murphy-Goode are getting great exposure and all they have to do is give a valid point of view as to why he wasn't chosen. So...?
- Michael Turro
If you look at the digg comments, I'm not sure that's the exposure they were looking for... :)
- Thomas
I wonder if anybody at Murphy-Goode knows they screwed this up - they could spin this as the very reason they NEED a social media consultant.
- Michael Turro
Need to correct myself, actually they did have to name the top 50 since the top 10 will be pick from the top 50, still doesn't explain why Martin wasn't on it, guess he wasn't what they were looking for.
- Kim Landwehr
this reminds me of that election in iran
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Michael: that would be a great spin, but that would require having someone who understood what was going on and the time for that kind of spin is when a story is just getting going. I would just apologize and say "I don't know how we missed Martin." But then I would have made sure the guy with the #1 YouTube video would be on the list in the first place.
- Robert Scoble
True enough... number one is hard to "miss"
- Michael Turro
if their objective was to find someone best fit for the job, they didn't present the voting facilities in a representatively clear fashion. why bother creating a voting system? it implies that number one would be in the list.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
They should have given the top 50 vote getters an automatic bid and then augmented with 10 or so of their own choices that might not have made the top 50
- Michael Turro
apparently @areallygoodjob uses twitter to broadcast their thoughts. there's no interaction or @ replies. i have a feeling they may be elite-ist snobs.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Elitist snobs? In the wine industry?
- Michael Turro
kinda contrary for them to use social media in the first place, huh? freermor, their twitter says they use the web as their twitter client.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Why did they even stage a fracking "contest" if they've already made their decision about who they want?
- Matthew DeVries
There was a small mistake there wasn't there? did you spot it?
- Mark
what does Vay Ner Chuk have to say about this?
- Chris Pugh
Their fine print states "Murphy-Good retains the right to exclude candidates from the hiring process or terminate the successful candidate for any lawful reason", but if they were going to exclude him after the voting then they should have not even posted or accepted his video in the first place.
- Alan Hoskins
Alan: they should have explained their thinking. Personally I wouldn't have had a final 50. I would have only posted a final three. Then if he didn't make that list it would seem better. But that's after the play quarterbacking. Now they have a bit of a mess on their hands and they have saddled their new social media expert with a mess that won't go away.
- Robert Scoble
I think we're probably seeing a classic case of a traditional business mired in traditional processes trying to leap into the interwebs without actually being willing to embrace the change in attitudes, content, image, and style of outreach that may accompany it. It reminds me of people who want to optimize Web pages, but are unwilling to use the language that searchers use. They want...
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- Brad
I want to learn python. Is there a way I can write a script to query the Purphy-Goode site (e.g., for a site that explains why the #1 vote getter isn't good enough for them?) once a day for something? Twice a day?
- Jason Miller
Neil - Like the Iran election taught us, you don't fake an election by declaring a landslide victory for your guy, You do it like W Bush did in 200, where you work it to an ~50.00000000000001% win, where the other side may not like it, but it's a plausible ending. W stole the election intelligently.
- Matthew DeVries
http://www.empirereport.org .. Report in there will remind folks that included in the terms of the offer, Murphy-Goode is NOT required to hire ANYBODY - Hello? Perfectly reasonable, on their part? Perfectly reasonable to understand that and take advantage for oneself? WHAT WILL THE REACTION BE ... IF THEY DON'T HIRE ANYONE?
- Bob Kennedy
I know this is late in the game, but we're talking about this with the wine community (and anyone else who is interested) on July 21st at 12 Noon EDT: http://tr.im/wine My impression was never that the votes were more than a cheer at the sidelines from fans and friends, like Lance passing you in the Tour de France. Now every action on the socmed space will need a EULA, a TOS and a long list of diseases and possible side effects, so they should start hiring folks from the pharm industry as soon as possible.
- randulo
As Tara Hunt will put it: They've just lost a great deal of whuffie.
- Jorge
Where's my vote? Note to PR: It is 2009- If you want participation (key word) in your brand, then deliver and reciprocate (key word #2). We all know this.
- E-Advocate Network
I got that very same vibe my last semester in school. BitTorr+Modded xbox+Gigabit Wifi on the Home network==Cable/Dish is dead. As of now I invoke the FiF(http://www.students.stedwards.edu/jschanz...).
- Adi
what's TV? my computer is hooked up to an LCD screen. With a wireless remote and keyboard (and MS Media Center remote). I can't tell what is this "TV" and what is Web content.
- Brad_King
TV is not dead, but it will be called youtube ;)
- Stanislas Jourdan
Until everyone has speeds on a par with cable or fiber internet cable and dish tv are going to be around for awhile. I can't realize what many of you have in your home setups with DSL speeds.
- jcunwired
I am constantly amused by people that think THEIR own experience is universal. There are still a LOT of people that still pay $100+ for TV via Cable and will for many years to come (not me btw)
- Don Strickland
@Don: I don't think people *will* pay because cable and tv networks will begin to create experiences like the Netflix box, ect. The experience will be far easier than say my set-up at home (which isn't even really difficult, you know, if you know what you're doing ;). The plug-and-play interface for Web/Streaming (eg hulu, netflix) and other devices will be here far sooner than "years to come". But yes, like Records and Tapes, some folks will still opt for paying the extra $50-100 bucks.
- Brad_King
Early adopters (I am one) love to proclaim the thing they just stopped using is now over. I should do some kind of timeline depicting the years between first predictions and fade to black of various technologies. I suspect the typical range is around 10-20 years or more ... and sometimes the old actually outlives the 'new'. I'm just saying, predictions of doom for old tech just make me yawn now.
- Don Strickland
@Don: well, I'm not sure what "doom" you think I predicted. I was writing about the convergence of this stuff at Wired a decade ago (and my media center has been my tv since 2003). As I pointed out, the advent of the truly integrated set-top experience like Netflix + even Apple's foray into this, along with the business behind this, will likely push consumers towards this. In other...
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- Brad_King
Brad, I could design and set up such a system in my sleep. However, there's a good chunk of the population that doesn't have access to the kind of bandwidth required to set up a full entertainment system relying solely upon internet content. Unfortunately, I must rely on dish much of my content for the foreseeable future.
- jcunwired
@jcunwired: absolutely true. I am from + live in Appalachia, in the second most poverty-stricken state. I am familiar with the divide; however, we crossed the 50 percent threshold for broadband in the US a few years back. It's simply a matter of time and my guess is the business model for this will begin to change once we're at 70 percent. (Those cable companies aren't worried about those folks who live in rural areas.)
- Brad_King
@Brad: well, I guess my response here is more to @vezquex and others who shout the end is near. So to be clear, I actually don't disagree with your "TV isn't TV ...". I DO disagree with Verquex, Adi and similar. I also watch most 'TV' on my mini (with 3 tuners), or another mini driving my 46" 'TV'. But the end of yesterday's TV will only come when SOMEONE offers a solution easy enough for all the folks that are NOT interested in computers hooked to 'TVs' ... imo.
- Don Strickland
I predict, the media center stuff we see today will get more complex (unfortunately) for a few more years (like 'PCs' 78-82) and then some disrupter will rock the market (kind of like Mac rocked DOS) 3-5 years from now. Then around 2015 - 2020 today's TV giants will actually start to topple and fade.
- Don Strickland
Sports & Live News. Got that on Boxee? Yeah, let me know when live broadcast on the Internet doesn't mean the Gilmor Gang.
- Cristo
@Cristo: I get every baseball game live through MLB.tv; and I get breakdowns and highlights. I don't need cable for that.
- Brad_King
Brad, are you watching the Lakers vs Nuggets game today?
- Cristo
@Cristo: nope (although I wouldn't anyway). That's because ESPN and the NBA put together a bad deal. They already have in place a 2015 deal to stream those games online. NFL (http://www.nfl.com/gamepass), MLB (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb...) have better deals in place. And they get my money.
- Brad_King
@Cristo: My argument isn't that this is happening full-force today. Simply that we are much closer to a time when the TV/Cable/Web are merged together making the indistinguishable. We're a good 10+ years into this and we're getting very close, closer I suspect that most think.
- Brad_King
Brad, I don't really care. I'm part one consumer, and another part developer. I tend to be practical about what I design. I'm fine with an all Internet future, but I'm realistic about the barriers. I like to watch CNBC and sports, so since I can afford to waste the money, I will continue to pay them until there is an alternative. Fred Wilson is not offering an alternative to me, although I sometimes find his blog posts entertaining.
- Cristo
@Cristo: Oh, then I guess you don't have a DVR or ever owned a VCR since time-shifting isn't important. I didn't realize that. ;) I am too busy to arrange my schedule around an 8 pm television show. I watch when it's most convenient to me. I didn't realize I was that odd.
- Brad_King
Brad, I've designed and built DVRs. :) Most DVRs were built off work I've done.
- Cristo
@Cristo: then live tv isn't a big deal to you (which was my point); if it's not live, there is little difference between streaming on-demand from any source. the argument that I'm not watching the NBA "right now" is a non-starter in terms of the larger argument. or have I missed something?
- Brad_King
Live TV is a big deal to me. I want to see the game, when the game is on, and I want to see the stock market reporting while it's relevant. It's like asking whether you mind seeing only yesterday's Twitter feed, not that I really want to see any Twitter feed.
- Cristo
The largest screen in my house is my monitor. I leapfrogged the tv. Who needs one?
- Ben Ackles
socialcoop, sorry you don't have a 120" projector for watching movies. Someday man, someday.
- Cristo
@Cristo: Right and you can stream and get on-demand those games in the NFL and MLB right now online; the NBA just locked itself into a bad deal. If you haven't experience MLB.tv during the baseball season, you don't know what you're missing. I am watching them live (oftentimes multiple games) at one time, with archives of the games I couldn't watch live.
- Brad_King
Brad, when you trade stocks, what live financial news are you watching? i easily pay for all my cable bills when I trade. I'll bet you a dollar Fred Wilson watches CNBC in his office on a plasma screen. Of course, he wouldn't respond here because he only supports his own services, like Twitter.
- Cristo
@Cristo: you keep going around and around without understanding my point. I think we're having two conversations so have a great night with the projector screen :)
- Brad_King
Brad, the projector comment was for forsocialcoop. If you have a valid argument about what I've been saying, please say it. Otherwise, it's okay you don't, have a good night.
- Cristo
@Cristo: I know who it was for, was being funny. And I did. You clearly just didn't read it and understand. It happens.
- Brad_King
Brad, you never addressed live news specifically financial news. I don't care about steroid baseball.
- Cristo
@Cristo: I have done work at a university (and just took a job there) that developed a live, interactive streaming platform for cable companies a few years back. It's being tested and deployed. Just like the NBA has a bad deal with ESPN, news agencies will be migrating. And - as I said earlier - I think it's 3-5 years before TV/Web are indistinguishable from each other because you will have the functionality streaming. I never argued it was here today.
- Brad_King
@Cristo™ I'm spoiled with the screen I have already. The 20" Cinema display is treating me just fine... By the time I care, the TV will be as extinct as GM.
- Ben Ackles
@Cristo: btw, I don't disagree with your premise. Just that in a few years, "live" won't mean TV.
- Brad_King
I'm a pragmatist. Screens and monitors should be separated from their media sources. Whether it's a 20" Cinema display or a 120" projector screen, the content should be the same. I'm just realistic about cable not going away anytime soon (5-8 years). I'm looking forward to live being on the Internet. IPTV has been in development at Microsoft since 1996 though.
- Cristo
@Cristo: I don't believe much "goes away". There are issues with control and such that I don't like; however, we've had some neat interactions with developing products + usability. If I was a shareholder, I'd feel good. :) (I am not a shareholder.)
- Brad_King
Brad, okay. You win. I'm going to finish watching the Lakers vs Nuggets now.
- Cristo
One thing that old fashioned broadcast TV has that digital over the internet doesn't have to the same degree is anonymity.
- Chuck Baggett
@Cristo™ "live" is in Beta today and will be in production tomorrow. 5-8 years is laughable. I'd give it a year or 2 tops. Between UStream.tv (Live - clearly beta quality) Hulu (Pro) & Vimeo (Pro-Am) you can throw away your tv (figuratively).
- Ben Ackles
socialcoop, you're right. Why would I have any credibility. I have no experience in the area since 1995.
- Cristo
@Cristo: I win because I agreed with you :) I don't actually think we were discussing opposite sides. Or did *I* miss that?
- Brad_King
I think what people fail to realize is that it's not the technical challenges that fails to bring live TV to the Internet, but the business challenges. Obviously all TV could be on the Internet today if there were no barriers.
- Cristo
@Cristo: That's what I thought we agreed upon :) It's a business proposition + when the companies decide to push the issue (and I'm guessing it'll be cable companies that push it, like they did with the bundles services), there will be a quick change. That's why I don't think it will be far off. The digital transition and the fiber laid -- it *feels* close. (If 3-5 years is close - and that's for the start, not for ubiquity of that kind of service.) **agreement high five**
- Brad_King
I'm still using old school TV. Satellite, no DVR, no fancy channels. Rendered useless anytime there's a storm (a nightly occurrence).
- Mike Reynolds
@Brad_King @Cristo™ I agree. The technology exists, but the business model is lagging. History repeats itself. 1. Record labels 2. Newspapers 3. Television. 1. Past. 2. Present. 3. Future.
- Ben Ackles
Arrington you could not be more right about twitter desperately needing PR help
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
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It may be the largest, but it's the lowest resolution. Which bites.
- mark zero (Jason)
TV is more than just a screen, but the STB will probably be gone in 5 years. While I believe On Demand will be the primary source of content discovery in the future, live TV and the experience of browsing are experiences that many people enjoy and will continue to enjoy.
- Alex
Don't see how they can not support the Curve. There have to be more Curve users out there than anything by a fairly wide margin.
- Matt
Kills me how it supports some models but not others
- Bwana ☠
VERY glad to finally see a Blackberry app, but disappointed that 8300 Curve is not supported. Is Curve not the most common BB? Almost there Evernote!
- Adam
FYI...I installed this on my Curve 8330. Installed fine. Haven't tested uploading new notes yet. When doing a search, the app just opens up the web browser and takes you to the mobile site. I don't care for that.
- Matt
Matt, I assume you are working with OS 4.5? Interesting...
- Adam
Yep, 4.5. Tested uploading a photo last night. Worked w/ no issues, and everything synced up. Seems like it may run a bit slow, but I haven't used on 4.6 to compare. I've read of others installing on 4.5 and getting some error messages, but then still having it work. I've had no error messages at all up to this point, knock wood.
- Matt
Works fine for me so far on an 8830 with 4.5.0.77. The voice not did save as a .amr file though, which won't allow me to open it in the free client version on the Mac.
- Rob
My Evernote is about 2.5GB now. (I'm a premium user). How does this version work? Does it sync ALL notes?
- james
@james: it does not sync all notes. All note viewing/editing is done by launching the mobile website in the BlackBerry's browser. The BB Evernote app currently only facilitates note creation. You can create a text note, picture note (either from a saved picture, or directly from snapping the camera), audio note (except it uses a voice CODEC instead of MP3 or AAC for the note), or...
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- Christopher A. Wichura
@Christopher .. thanks for the descriptions . on hearing that .. not really sure it adds anything i don't already have. I already submit evernote notes via an @m.evernote.com email address, for text and photos.
- james
Well, it lets you tag, comment, etc. on the items before you post it. When you E-mail stuff to Evernote, you have to go back later to tag it.
- Christopher A. Wichura
"How many phones should you make? Every time a company launches a new smartphone, they have to make a decision on how many to make and balance the need to have stock, create a demand for the product, and not leave so many on the shelf that you lose money overall in the batch. Is this decision the key to market survival in a recession? Getting a lot of coverage in this area is the upcoming launch of the Palm Pre in the US. The relaunched Palm (effectively a new start-up with an old name) looks to be going to market early June with around 30,000 to 40,000 units in the retail chain. That's not a lot for a mass market device, but for a small start-up with limited capital it's arguably an impressive number."
- Martin Bryant
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You should build one. Saturating the market with 25 different models (Nokia - you listening?) every six months, each one being separated by one small feature, just adds confusion. Take the Apple route - release a great platform to build on.
- Andy Bold
The article is more about how many units of each handset to produce but your point is valid too Andy - Nokia do make far too many, it's very confusing for people.
- Martin Bryant
At a preview of the Nokia N97 in Dubai last week, Henri Mattila, the head of marketing for Nseries handsets in the Middle East, said Gulf countries such as the UAE and Saudi Arabia would be among the first in the world to get the device.
- zsafwan
from Bookmarklet
Try taking a look at ipadio. I'd be interested in what you think. Lets you broadcast live to Internet from any phone, anywhere, and share the file as you choose (geolocate, social sites etc). Uber cool. http://www.ipadio.com. If you're not ijn the UK and want a local number to use, drop me a note.
"I'm an admin of the group called I'd smack that ass so hard because she can't see who is smacking it and we would love if you would encourage other women to assume this position."
- Noah David Simon
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