Twitter Search is stuck again - 18 minutes so far. What is the over/under for when they fix it or mention it? Discuss here: - http://search.twitter.com/search...
Twitter's Trending Topics all show the latest updates are 18 minutes old. Recently, Twitter Search was down for six hours, and was not even acknowledged on their blog. Since it's a Sunday night, I doubt fastest response. Who has a bet to when it catches up to real time?
- Louis Gray
And in parallel, Spymaster reports: "Our communication channel with Twitter has been compromised. Reconvene at 0600 for further instructions."
- Louis Gray
All searches now say "about 1 hour ago".
- Louis Gray
In the meantime Twitter finally responded to the source tag issues on the dev list
- Jesse Stay
"About 2 hours ago" is the latest data.
- Louis Gray
What is the entry barrier for other Twitter-like apps? Why are there no others competing with Twitter? That might improve things.
- Michael Metz
Mimetz, you're commenting on FriendFeed, aren't you? Seems like pretty good competition to me. It's reduced my Twitter usage, for sure.
- Jesse Stay
Must have stopped updating 2 hours ago. Just ran a search for 'Red Wings' and the newest tweet is "@cvas: Red wings in 5, Crosby will win one at home about 2 hours ago from web "
- David Damore
I don't think of FriendFeed as a competitor to Twitter, in that FF is built on top of the Twitter data stream. Why are there no other Twitter like streams? What am I missing here?
- Michael Metz
Mimetz, they've all tried - Plurk tried, Jaiku tried, Pownce tried, Identi.ca tried. None of them were able to. You're competing for community here, and right now the only networks capable of quickly gaining that community are Facebook, Google, Microsoft, and believe it or not, FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
It has now been 3 hours. James, you have one more hour to be right!
- Louis Gray
I don't understand your Twitter search obsession. Is the earth standing still while it is latent?
- Geoff
Being observant and taking notes (publicly) doesn't necessarily equate to obsession.
- Micah Wittman
@micah have you seen his posts the last couple of weeks? Obsession. Almost Calvin Klein.
- Geoff
Geoff, clever :) I can see how he might come off that way. I'm somewhere in the middle on it. Louis lives and breathes this stuff and he pushes social orgs to be accountable, to be better. I take it as tough love to some extent.
- Micah Wittman
I really don't understand why Twitter can't fix these problems. Are there too many people using Twitter for them to handle it?
- Shawn Hickman
Geoff, I wouldn't call it obsession. I posted first that it was broken (which it was and still is). I second posted that it was down six hours and they didn't say a word. Both are notable for different reasons. Today's incident shows that it was not a blip, it's a pattern, and we should hold them to a higher standard. Want to talk obsession? Let's talk about my obsession with FriendFeed.
- Louis Gray
If Twitter Search is one of the major parts of Twitter and Twitter is supposed to change communication, marketing, you name it, then they need to stop this from happening. And if nobody notices that it's happening, then its importance is a myth. I want this product to work, and when it does, we'll use it. But right now, it's failing everybody.
- Louis Gray
for what it's worth, this has actually been happening almost daily for the last few months (not just recently). most people haven't noticed because usually it stalls for a few minutes and then catches up quickly, but the signs and even a few one hour plus delays were showing up a long time ago.
- Mike Montano
Still down after three hours. People do notice when it's down, I do at any rate, search is an important tool for getting the best out of Twitter. It seems as though the people at Twitter just don't seem to care; a six-hour outage without acknowledgment is very poor, that's 6 hours with a second-rate service. Louis, I value your reports of search being down, at least I know that it's not just a local phenomenon - for all I know the earth could be standing still!
- Chris Loft
The twitter folks seem be oblivious to the search being broken. They are tweeting - see http://twitter.100twt.com/ but no one mentions that search is broken. Sigh..
- Atul Arora
Sorry Atul, we're not supposed to talk about it. Otherwise, we're obsessed. Let's talk about something else.
- Louis Gray
Looks like search has come back up in the last 15 minutes. Hooray.
- Chris Loft
Search is back up, but there is a 4 hour hole that may never be filled. Just like the 6 hour hole from the other week. Call me obsessed, but I care when utilities lose my data and don't work correctly.
- Louis Gray
Agreed. When it's user-generated data - it's OUR DATA.
- Micah Wittman
If a tree falls in the forest and there's no one there to hear it, does it make a sound? Louis is the only one these days continuing to report on the major issues still surrounding Twitter. I'm grateful he is.
- Jesse Stay
Nothing works on twitter, and it's as true as it was two years ago.
- Richard A.
Battery life no better for me but wi-fi on WEP finally works with 2.1!
- Geoff
I've consistently been able to go more than 40 hours between charges since the 2.1 update. they definitely did some work to cut down WiFi and 3G polling when device isn't being used and/or is in a very weak signal area - like when I'm in my office office or my home office.
- Jon Price
Hey now, don't rip on Stanford. They have...a tree. The on field mascot that was best described by an inebriated friend of mine as "a reject from a 3rd-grade art class project". Though they do have a great team name, The Cardinal, which isn't the bird but rather, um, a color. Nevermind.
- Kevin Briody
I went to UCLA undergrad and Cal for grad school. Love them both but lord I hope my son gets into Stanford! Is this wrong?
- Geoff
People should take advantage of what they create in the social media. It's their time and content - monetize it. I wrote about it last night: http://tinyurl.com/5jo9pg
- Geoff
Why is there a dollar bill taped to the floor at FriendFeed's headquarters? (I was there today to pick up some stickers for our lunch tomorrow in Seattle). See the picture to see FriendFeed's ingenious bit of social engineering. - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
Until they get so used to seeing the dollar that they don't look anymore and then trip on conduit..... ;P
- Jeff P. Henderson
What are you going to be in Seattle for? Is it an open lunch?
- John OBrien
Robert, just curious... why post a duplicate link when there's already a conversation in the published flickr photo thread? http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Alan Le
Wipeout (a Chevy's sister restaurant) has $5 bills stuck to the floors underneath the bar stools, so you can laugh at all the drunks trying to scrape them up. ;)
- Kevin Hessel
I thought this said "Why is a three dollar bill taped to the floor..." and thought Robert was making homophobic insinuations about the FF team.
- Dan MacTough
from Alert Thingy
Thomas Hawk and I need your help. The WordPress bloggers are having way too much fun with getting FriendFeed likes and comments into their blog, and we using Blogger (both the old or new) can't yet do it. I am offering a $250 bounty to the developer of a solution good enough I can integrate into my blog. This would not replace Disqus, but go alongside it, as seen at the Inquisitr. Thomas and others, feel free to add to the bounty...
- Louis Gray
I'm thinking it would need to be a javascript solution of some kind, I can't see how you'd get it done any other way. And this would need some kind of remotely hosted back end to do the work. Not impossible, but fiddly :)
- Glenn Slaven
So as silly as this sounds, what makes more sense... all Blogger blogs switching to WP, or somebody instead making a widget? :-) I think universality is what I'm going for here.
- Louis Gray
FriendFeed Widget FTW! Ben Golub where are you at buddy?
- Susan Beebe
actually Robert, I've come back to this as I object to it. If you find something interesting, comment or like it. There's no need to make people feel that they should be clambering for you attention
- Scott O'Raw
Scott: you missed what I'm really doing: trying to get Twitter people to add their Twitter feeds to FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: it was the "are yours interesting enough to rate?" part which read as "are yours interesting enough to rate by ME?"
- Scott O'Raw
Scott: well, yes. By personalizing it I make people look here.
- Robert Scoble
Love Twitter. Obsessed w/ FriendFeed. FF replacing time @ *other* news sites. True *human feed." Comment misuse worries still...
- Barbara K. Baker
Robert: is this one of those Shavian 'two countries separated by a common language' things? ;)
- Scott O'Raw
He didn't "like" my "Working now" twitter message?!?!?!?! :P
- conedude13
You are such a pot-stirrer Robert! lol... I think Scott meant "rate" in the old skool 80's usage of "do you rate?" rather than "are they interesting enough for me to slow down and notice and go to the effort of clicking like" which I'm guessing is what you meant. Mine probably aren't - but I'm okay with that - I'm never going to win a Nobel Prize for Twittering! :) Keep stirring the pot Robert - you make people think! :)
- Lucretia Pruitt
Aww man...I fell for it. I thought Scoble cared about me... :(
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I should have explained I live in the UK - hence the George Bernard-Shaw quote. Rate, I took as to measure against others or a pre-determined scale, and for that reason I didn't like seeing anyone set themselves as arbiter of such.
- Scott O'Raw
@scott - that is what he means - same meaning in US English
- Geoff
I think I could have something interesting. But maybe not for everyone.
- Daniel Schildt
I think it's for others to judge whether Twitter msgs are interesting. Like FF though
- Ronald
I love the discussion view. I just wish there were an option to view "me" and my discussions so I could see others' comments too
- Daniel Shaw
Geoff: so if that IS what Robert meant is that a good thing? That someone should set up as the arbiter of quality for other peoples' messages?
- Scott O'Raw
hahaha. Robert is trying to herd cats into the FriendFeed pen, but as he opens the gate, the cats already inside decide they want out
- Karim
Karim: it's not that the cats want out, necessarily, just that there's no real need for self-appointed shepherds.
- Scott O'Raw
Hmmm. So I guess Scoble's follow-up campaign, "Are you MAN ENOUGH for FriendFeed?" shouldn't be attempted, either? ;-)
- Karim
EXT. CATTLE RANCH - DAY: A cowboy winds up a coil of Cat6 patch cable around his arm. COWBOY: "You know, there are lots of social network aggregators out there... I tried Twitter. Sure, it was pretty. And that might be ok for city folk, or women. But a man like me needs a robust, dependable service, with big, hearty CHUNKS of comments. That's why I use FriendFeed..."
- Karim
The API was one of the things keeping them afloat. The dev activity was refreshing. They're going to be turned-off now I think.
- Andrew Dobrow
This is indeed troubling because it endangers the entire Twitter 'ecosystem' which I (& many others, I expect) have always considered to be what makes Twitter so 'special' The Twitter management team must be very careful to NOT 'kill the goose who laid the golden egg'
- Thomas Ho
from fftogo
If only 5% of apps are using that API call, it can't be causing much trouble. So why remove it? That's what I'm wondering.
- Morton Fox
Geoff: yes, but not every friend of mine automatically gets to your feed. Only those I "like" or that I comment on. Those are actually pretty high quality people. You can see those people here: http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
Geoff, you cant hide from the Ninja - they know everything and see everyone - even your hidden friend feed items!
- Chris Heuer
from Alert Thingy
Both. I definitely agree with Scoble that picking the right people to surround you is extraordinarily important. In fact, it would be nice to know who all of the nominees would be surrounding themselves with before we make a choice.
- Alex Haar
The best managers/directors of anything choose a team wiser than themselves. I tend to think although Obama appreciates the Internet more than other candidates may, his team is the major factor in the execution of his tech-strategy.
- shanebe
I don't know how to describe these photos. Wow starts to.
- Robert Scoble
I "liked" it, but not really. Got to go put more food cans and water bottles in my garage now.
- Geoff
the bride in her dress against the rubble...
- edythe
A comment on the site claims they are photoshopped ... not sure if they are, but they look good anyway
- Peter Cattell
If photos are posted somewhere with comments enabled, someone *must* post a comment claiming they are photoshopped. It's the law.
- Michael Randall
from twhirl
Personally, I don't have anything better to do, so I'm not doing anything... with twitter for the day. :)
- Grant Bierman
The people that Tweet more in defiance does that make them Twitout-Outers?
- Joe Dawson
In the end, it could be that absence makes the heart grow fonder. Then again, the same could be said when Twitter has downtime...
- Ontario Emperor
twitter has reply and DM - two things FF needs? or can they just both be good at what they do?
- ben rogers
from twhirl
There are advantages to implementing threaded conversations or DMs, in theory. I bet threaded conversations are a lot messier on the eyes than this implementation is, but it'd be worth seeing. DMs are fine as well, unless full profiles with contact information are made available.
- Louis Gray
I think FF as it is right now (wihtout @ or DM) allows a much smoothier approach to conversation than twitter!
- julian_marain
from twhirl
LEt them each be what they are, the synergy is great. FF is a goog backchannel to other content.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
What I find extremely ironic is by everyone posting and tweeting about Twit-Out,they only bring more awareness to cause. Who's the loser now?
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Do a Summize search, or a Google search, or Friendfeed search on Twit-Out. It doesn't matter how many people actually participate, look at the reach.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Apropos the post itself, not Twit-Out: it's pretty sad that this was my first exposure to Geoff's blog and it'll probably also be my last. I don't have any need or desire to read a blog whose owner thinks this post was a good idea as written.
- Chris Anthony
I think exactly like Chris, first and last time on that blog.
- Gadiel Rivera
I definitely do not want to see DM added to FriendFeed. You know what we call a 'DM' in these parts? E-mail.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Just hoping to stir the pot. Experiment complete and successful.
- Geoff
In my case, I'm collecting a lot of data on the deficiencies of using FriendFeed as a mobile microblogging platform.
- Ontario Emperor
I think that they are trying to get a life . . . without Twitter ;)
- Lyndon Washington
@Geoff While turning a lot of people off from reading any more of your posts. Nice.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Geoff, this wasn't stirring the pot so much as giving the pot the finger while casting smug looks over your shoulder at the other cooks.
- Chris Anthony
@ChrisA Come on, this is just fun dialog, right? btw, I like the Lost in Translation image on your blog.
- Geoff
@Andy C. Honestly, a very small fraction of Twitter users are participating. However, they are mostly power users, the ones that keep everybody's stream rolling. I'm not boycotting, and as I watch my stream, it's around 25% of what it usually is.
- Shawn Kirsch
@Geoff, thanks! I guess so; I just put up with enough of the "LOSER" crap in high school to last me several lifetimes, you know? I thought we were past that.
- Chris Anthony
@ChrisA yes, unfortunately I do know about being called a "loser". The "loser" image did its job of getting people fired up. I'll tone it down and get back to real blogging about MessageDance.
- Geoff
someone sent me this: friendfeed is a python house, because they came from google. google + friendfeed is custom written on http://webpy.org/ platform
- Geoff
3.0b5 is beachballing and crashing significantly less than the last version of 2 I used.
- Devin Dawson
from Alert Thingy
@Devin Depends which build you have. I had the same problem, updated, gone.
- Charlie Anzman
I'm experimenting with no extensions and I haven't had a single crash, or a lick of memory issues. The problems is the greatest strength of Firefox also appears to be its greatest weakness. I think eventually there is going to need to be more "control" over extensions with strict testing. Everyone being able to make extensions "willy nilly" is hurting the Firefox brand.
- Vince DeGeorge
@Vince Mozilla is working with the developers of popular extensions to provide them with memory-leak- and crash-data. I'm hoping for Firefox 4 though, which will be based on Mozilla 2, which will be a big change in the underlying architecture, though. They will fix many of these problems, as far as I could read from the information available so far. But you can't do much against badly written extensions.
- sebmos
fred - what version are you using? 3 beta 5?
- Dave Martin
I've lost more important blog posts and personal data through browser hangs, inadvertent page navigation, and so on that I'm willing to remember. Browsers jshould ust backup form data to the file system until it's submitted. This is a huge productivity hole in Web apps in my experience.
- Dion Hinchcliffe
from twhirl
I am just gun shy of losing edits in FF forms for my posts and comments. I always select all and copy periodically
- Alan Wilensky
from Alert Thingy
I write blog posts in Gmail and email the post via MessageDance. Gmail saves the draft constantly and MessageDance lets you attach images, files, images in-line, and tags/labels. Here's one I posted last night: http://tinyurl.com/3lg8h7
- Geoff
Isnt it amazing that if you adress a large enough community, someone comes up with an app!
- Alan Wilensky
from Alert Thingy