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Call for interest: blog advertising group - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
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Duncan - looking back at a few that I'm familiar with .... Collective-thoughts.com is still around and more recently GrandEffect.com. My own thoughts are pretty well known. I think direct sponsorship of larger blogs is around the corner. (ala PopUrls and others). The downside of co-ops is, in the latter example, there's a few I read regularly and one or two that I think have the potential of tarnishing the others reputations. Food for thought.
- Charlie Anzman
Charlie, good points. Prompted by Aaron's video I'm throwing this to the wind if you like to see if there's any interest, the rest will have to follow, but you've got to start somewhere.
- Duncan Riley
Duncan, despite Digg panhandling snarkiness, I'd at least be interested. We're at ~250K/mo even with our summer slump and neither me or Bill (tvbythenumbers.com) are currently writing much. I expect we'll pop back to the 400K range when the fall TV season starts. Right now, our best option seems to be Glam, and I'm so-so on that right now for a few reasons.
- Robert Seidman
I've been thinking about this for awhile (as an outsider.) Will be watching the comments, developments here. I think I have an option, will report later.
- michael sean wright
btw Duncan you may be interested in tonights Discussion Points on the blog .. talked about consolidation and advertising (to a lesser degree)
- Steven Hodson
Duncan and/or Aaron - consider me possibly interested. Tell me more if/when it goes that far.
- TDavid
Steve, on Aaron's point that's the direction I'm looking at as well. I don't believe that there's some mass consolidation of blogs out there (despite what some are writing) but there's definitely strength in numbers
- Duncan Riley
@Aaron - I look forward to watching it.
- Steven Hodson
@Duncan as I commented on your post I currently fall below your suggested threashold for membership but I'll be back when that happens :)
- Steven Hodson
Duncan, if you're looking at an affiliated alliance rather than roll-ups that makes sense, but what ad serving tech is out there to easily/cheaply support that?
- Robert Seidman
Aaron, it conceptually makes sense to me, especially selling all the page views in bulk. I'm trying to understand how the serving of the ads would be administered, how the inventory would be allocated, etc.
- Robert Seidman
Duncan, Aaron - Appreciate being kept in the loop here (even thought I don't monetize currently). Aaron's right. There's a lot of ways to handle it.
- Charlie Anzman
Robert, at this stage I'm not really thinking in terms of tech yet, although that's something that may need to be looked at depending on the interest. I'm betting that with 500k-1m or more page views, a player out there, be it an individual or company in ad sales, or even an existing blog network/ owner, may consider selling them for the group as part of their current mix. Scale works at the top end as well, so everyone wins (the bigger the overall pool ,the easier it is usually to sell against it)
- Duncan Riley
Steve, listening to your podcast. Key for this idea is to keep voices independent. Doesn't mean that ad sales have to be though, indeed being able to bring in more money will help keep individual voices
- Duncan Riley
@Duncan concerning the "how to serve" I remember seeing this before but had to hunt up the link .http://www.openx.org/..
- Steven Hodson
Steve, OpenX is a pain. Cheap, but a pain none the less
- Duncan Riley
Duncan, this is what we loosely discussed on UStream a while back. I have spoken, briefly with Cam on this subject and actually progressed down the road to developing a workable model for it. My site is now in the million plus page views per month, and is starting to get more interest.
- Ross Maguire
I'm interested although I'm not really in the tech industry ... doing over 120k pvs on average (and growing).
- Preston Koerner
Bloggers' Interactions With Readers Decrease With Prominence - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
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Real link: http://digg.com/hardwar...
- Louis Gray
LOVED it, thank you for this post Louis (and Hutch)!!!
- Mona Nomura
louisgray.com: Techmeme and TechCrunch's Detractors Prove It - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
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Real link: http://digg.com/tech_ne...
- Louis Gray
Dugg
- Hutch Carpenter
New on SheGeeks: Friends Outweighing Hatred On The Web - http://shegeeks.net/friends...
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Way to remain level-headed on this, Corvida. Your friends do care about you.
- Louis Gray
Corvida: Louis' article really enraged me. I just am tired of dealing with the nasties online. Normal people are always nice. Something about the Internet makes nasty people feel entitled to get in your face. I'm actively working against that. If I see someone be a jerk against someone else I block them. I just have zero tolerance anymore for jerks. They can go someplace else.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, doesn't that count as censorship? It's great to see you and Louis bringing these issues to light btw since you reach so many people...
- Mona Nomura
@scobleizer - cannot agree more. wonder why there are so many oversized egos today
- ming yeow
Corvida, you have an awesome outlook. :)
- edythe
Mona: no. censorship is only done by governments, not by individual citizens. And, anyway, censorship would only happen if I took away their right to publish what they want. That's what their blogs and/or their FriendFeed accounts are for. Freedom of speech does not guarantee that anyone will listen. It also doesn't mean you have the right to pollute my communities.
- Robert Scoble
That's balanced, Robert.
- Chris Baskind
Mona, Robert isn't saying he's going to stop people saying anything. He's just stopping listening.
- Michael C. Harris
... and, beaten. Do you people just constantly hit refresh ?
- Michael C. Harris
Robert: Do you moderate all of your comments? ---which I think is great due to the sheer volume of responses and feedback you probably get. Not that many people take the time to do so :)
- Mona Nomura
Michael: yes.
- Robert Scoble
Mona: yes, I do now. I used to let anyone comment. In fact, on my blog, I still let most any random jerk still post there. But I'm definitely decreasing my tolerance for that kind of behavior.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, thanks, that made me laugh.
- Michael C. Harris
we are losing tolerance with you too Robert
- Noah David Simon
Robert: Now that I think about it, I see how your patience can run thin. Especially in the www where it's avant-garde and people use individuals like you and or Louis to gain exposure..... It's fascinating
- Mona Nomura
Mona: yeah, one tool of an attention-hungry person is to start a fight. Think about high school. Did anyone pay attention to the geek? No. But did everyone pay attention to a fight? Yes. Humans are attracted to jerks and bullies (and salacious stories). It's the downside of our culture.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: You think? If anything I think it's opposite on the internet.. People recognize attention whores and disregard them...
- Mona Nomura
Mona: I think that's true long term, but short term they definitely love a good fight.
- Robert Scoble
@Louis @Robert Thanks for those words. You shouldn't get yourself worked up over this Robert. You're strategy for ignoring them is the best you can do, but those people just aren't worthy putting the type of energy necessary into getting angry with them. It's terribly draining and it's more negative for you than it is for them.
- Corvida
...maybe the FF crowd is the exception.
- Mona Nomura
Mona: in general the FF crowd is absolutely wonderful. I think that block is going to let this community go on for a long time without getting polluted. Corvida: oh, I have built up a thick skin about this stuff, but there's no reason why I need to have it forced in my face anymore. They can take their vitriol to some other neighborhood.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: That's why I am SO addicted to FF... quality > quantity and most of the individuals ignore the negative attention whoring individuals. It's quite refreshing and I have to admit, I prefer the FF interactions over real life... wow. maybe i need new friends =\
- Mona Nomura
Corvida, awesome response at SheGeeks. I think this demonstrates that social media is not inherently good, and the banality of evil can be amplified as well.
- Elliott Ng
The same people dishing abuse will also be the most vocal when it comes to them being blocked.
- Ross Maguire
The world is full of crazies, both on- and offline. Thankfully, they seem to be an annoyingly vocal minority, but their reach is sometimes disproportionate. Most of all, they love seeing themselves talked about.
- John Samuelson
With all of the amazing things to learn and share with each other it saddens me that cowards (and that's exactly what they are - insecure, socially awkward cowards) have to hide behind their computers and spew ignorance-laced venom. I love FF and the social communities for the building of my personal and community knowledge. People that look to destroy that special creation (knowledge, community, etc.) are dead to me. Rock on Corvida.
- Morgan
Scoble can I have a private conversation with you somewhere? I won't take up much of your time.
- Corvida
Corvida: call me anytime. +1-425-205-1921
- Robert Scoble
Robert: =O Can I call you too? haha
- Mona Nomura
Mona: my cell phone number has been on my blog for years. I get very few calls at all, which is just great, and almost all of the ones I get are very high value. You can call anytime too!
- Robert Scoble
wow, that's insane! people don't crank call you?!
- Mona Nomura
Mona: I get a couple a month. Think about it. If you call me I have your phone number and can crank call you back. (I don't answer calls that don't use caller ID).
- Robert Scoble
but... that's so personal! Maybe it's because I've always separated my real life with my internet life I'm more apprehensive. Actually I'm thinking of inviting myself to the dinner you're planning to have with your family and Louis'.. I'm a good babysitter HA
- Mona Nomura
Coming in late on this one. I've noticed it more and more that people are becoming abusive on the web (in chat rooms, in comments on blogs...including TechCrunch), it's ridiculous and I'm glad to see people are trying to take a stand against it. Stand strong Corvida...the FF community has your back!
- Justin Korn
I agree 100% with Robert Scoble. "I just am tired of dealing with the nasties online. Normal people are always nice. Something about the Internet makes nasty people feel entitled to get in your face. I'm actively working against that. If I see someone be a jerk against someone else I block them. I just have zero tolerance anymore for jerks. They can go someplace else."
- Joao
Well said, Corvida. *hugs*
- Yolanda
I am so glad to see Louis and Robert speak out publicly on the issue.
- Russellreno
me too!!!
- Susan Beebe
Great article...but even better discussion. The FF community has become just that.
- Chris Nixon
The greatest part about Louis and Robert is they involve themselves in discussions.. As I become more immersed in the Twitter/FF community, I've noticed most "A-listers" are one sided... I truly adore FF... actually I think I'm in love with it. Like.. I want to marry FF and have FailWhale babies together <3
- Mona Nomura
@Chris Nixon, agreed. I'm glad to be here among thoughtful people. What went down in Corvida and Wayne's interview is just disgusting. Corvida, your continuing to do your work with dignity will always draw people to you and away from what I hope is an ever-decreasing hateful minority.
- Ayşe E.
Mona N, I thought you wanted to marry Google. Now you want to marry FF too.
- RAPatton
I'm a poly-sns'er =\
- Mona Nomura
mioNews now has keyboard shortcuts! They will be documented soon, but the keys are: j/k for next/prev entry, shift-n/shift-p for next/prev item on the left-hand-side, r to toggle read/unread state, s to share, c to comment, l to like, h to hate, and o to open the entry in a new window. Enjoy!
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When adding a friends folder the comments window pops up whenever I use 'c' in the name (same with share and 's')
- pb30
pb30 - can you tell me what browser you're using?
- Patrick Lightbody
Nevermind, I just figured out the problem. We're pushing the fix live now.
- Patrick Lightbody
Great news Patrick.
- Jon Erickson
note to duncan: not classy to attack former employer. - http://valleywag.com/5023010...
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Hmm... very interesting.
- Larry Kless
Yikes.
- Shawn Farner
Had to make a post about that. But I'm sorry, it's in dutch. ;-) http://tiny.cc/tIF0j
- Ton Zijp
Everybody is out to eff everybody else. Can't this %(# get done legit?
- Robert Barr
Dance off.
- Hao Chen
Sounds like there is lot of lack of class going around here. Maybe some skullduggery and fraud as well?
- Brian Sullivan
The internet is very serious business. Websites and their former employees are even more serious business. We should all be aware of this.
- Candace
@hao chen. hilarious!
- Eric Eldon
LOL @ Hao. That made me think of Starsky & Hutch. I agree, a dance off is the only way to settle this dispute.
- Shawn Farner
I think Hao was refering to Colbert vs Rain dance off. http://www.comedycentral.com/colbert....
- Alan Le
I like jason's link but I don't agree with his commentary. Arrington declared war after all.
- Alan Le
maybe this is just one example of something duncan didn't like that caused him to leave. if he produces a blue dress "dug" by MA, ima hurl.
- Brooks Bayne
+1 for a Dance Off. "You know the rules. Keep it safe. Keep it sexy." http://youtube.com/watch...
- Mike Doeff
Duncan does not appear to be attacking his former employer in that post.
- Scott Jarkoff
all is fair in love, business and social media boosting
- sean percival
note to calacanis: who asked you? LOL
- Bwana ☠
It's a clever way of attacking. But it draws blog posts and attention. Sigh, what a world.
- Ben Parr
I am really feeling something about Karma these days.... do to others as you wish to have done to you
- Ian D. Nock
from twhirl
Before we all go breaking out our jump to conclusions mat, let us remember there are always two sides to a story: http://www.duncanriley.com/2008...
- Bwana ☠
OOooooo touched a nerve there Duncan!
- Susan Beebe
Jason, I didn't "attack" anybody, I simply aksed, on my personal blog, that given that I was cut off, why they kept begging me for Diggs, a reasonable question. Point out exactly where I attacked anyone Jason?
- Duncan Riley
I have no horse in this race but I do find it interesting that Jason attacks the whistleblower and not the person actually committing the "crime".( Hmmm.
- chartreuse
I'm a bit surprised that TC is still implementing a Digg Army. It's not uncommon to have a group of folks who will Digg stories for you or your site. But it seems like a strategy for a up and coming site, not a well established one. Duncan himself did say that Arrington was one of the hardest working guys he's met. So ... perhaps Mike just isn't resting on his laurels - which isn't a bad thing. I do wonder whether Duncan asked to be removed prior to posting this shot.
- AJ Kohn
ahem can we leave the high school lunch room yet?
- Fred Grott
AJ, Michael told me never to email him again, so I couldn't asked to be removed. Writing a blog post was my only alternative to being spammed.
- Duncan Riley
@Duncan: Understood and that does make (some) sense. I'm a fan Duncan and clearly don' t know all the ins and outs. But ... to be fair, could you have emailed Biggs or Ha direct?
- AJ Kohn
Biggs had a hissy fit that I was at Macworld for TechCrunch, and I've never spoken to him since. Ha I don't know. Besides, they weren't sending the emails individually, it was a group email to diggthis@techcrunch.com
- Duncan Riley
Duncan, you should be a politician the way you're trying to spin that post as a way to stop spam. :-P You definitely could have emailed another TC or CG writer and they would have passed the message on. You can't tell me you write about social networks and couldn't find one to contact someone on.
- Shawn Farner
Shawn, I believe that ultimately they may have still wanted my Diggs, why else would I have been cut off from all the other email lists but not that one. But I'll note again: I didn't attack them in the post, I simply made an observation (calacanis links to Valleywag, not my post). Trust me, if I was going to attack them, this wouldn't be it. I've never been known for subtlety :-)
- Duncan Riley
@Duncan: Makes sense. Me, I don't see a problem with the post. Sort of a don't do anything you wouldn't want to see in print type of scenario. Crowd-Digging isn't anything new. Hope you're off the diggthis list ;)
- AJ Kohn
I appreciate Duncan's defense but personally I would just come out and say - I'm trying to make TC look like dicks. No one would blame you :)
- Chris Ridenour
I'll put it this way - Duncan's the only guy from TC that ever treated me like I was a human from the time I started at Mashable on. After I signed on with Pete, someone at TC went thru and forensically removed all my comments from before I joined, removed references to my personal blog from CrunchGear (they blogged about me a couple times), and generally let us know at Mash thru the grapevine what they thought of us (it isn't very nice stuff).....
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
... Duncan never participated in that foolishness, and I've always appreciated that. MA declared war first with Duncan, so if he wants to play the game, he can't be too upset when things like this crop up. In short, Duncan's been nothing but classy, in my book. I won't participate in this particular blogfite officially, but I will refute Jason's position that this is indicative of Duncan's class.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
I know nothing about nothing, BUT it is usually not cool to air dirty laundry in public. TC could be secret Nazis but it still doesn't look good to say that you can't email them or reveal company tactics.
- Andrew
Jason - do you consider what you are doing to DEMO attacks? Pot meet Kettle.
- Mark Lepzig
Thx Mark. Andrew, honestly, I wrote a post the other day with my last thoughts on the matter and that was going to be the end of it, then I noticed one of my inboxes getting fuller as I was trying to clean them up (I have more email rules + boxes then friends on FF :-) ). I just like their hide though: slam me in private, then expect me to digg them. I'll give Michael credit, he has balls. Any further spam aside though, consider this my last on the matter.
- Duncan Riley
Topix-a local news community - http://qik.com/video/123607
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Topix is kicking FriendFeed's ass. 125,000 comments a day!!! How are they doing it? They are focusing on local communities and anyone that doesn't read Scoble. In this video Topix' CEO, Chris Tolles, talks about what is going on in his business.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble is moving on from FriendFeed?
- Pat Hawks
Pat: no. But everyone else who isn't in the tech early adopter world is probably on Topix.
- Robert Scoble
How big is their community and how long have they been growing it?
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Yes, pretty much what I was saying yesterday, FF doesn't have a very diverse user base.
- Ross Maguire
It does seem like a nice cross between Google News and fav.or.it
- Pat Hawks
Topix used to be the only source I could find for local news. But I don't like how it happily embraces partial-text feeds and don't bother to add context at all, to the point of some entries being a vague headline with no text!
- Phil G
And before you say it, I know, FriendFeed is like that too. *sigh*
- Phil G
I don't know any non-early adopters that are using any of this technology...yet - maybe we define them differently. Topix provides more of an innate value prop for their time than FF does now, but I think that will change as more people begin to understand the value of a global federated conversation. Working on some music promotion use cases now :)
- Erica Toelle
http://www.topix.com/topix... More than a million people, 360,000 forums
- Robert Scoble
I think we should conduct a poll. Everyone here because of Scoble raise your hand (Raises hand).
- Roberto Bonini
There's 5 topics in my area just ostracizing the city and its inhabitants, 12 more doing the same for religion, and the rest are classic local news stories (murders, robberies, gangs, etc.). I think I'll stick with FF, Digg, SDR News, and NPR for my news.
- xero
Topix made a lot of its progress by being the default commenting host for many, many newspapers. It's majority owned by Gannett, McClatchy and Tribune Co. to begin with, but they've enlisted more competitors as partners. My company, MediaNews, joined up last year. Almost every paper in the Bay Area outside the SF Chronicle is owned by MediaNews (the fourth-largest owner in the country), and they all use Topix in some way to host their comments. Instant community (though poorly harnessed by the media).
- Kevin Hessel
I always find a lot of comment on my blog posts coming from Topix. At first I was puzzled, then I realized it was Topix's geo-specificity that made it so cool. I guess I need to pay more attention to Topix.
- Tom Guarriello
First topic I saw on the forums - "The Suite Life of Zack and Cody" - Last comment by "X-RAINBOW KRISSY-X". I'll be sticking with FriendFeed, thanks though. Honestly, it's not a bad news source at all, but I feel more comfortable with the topics at FriendFeed when it comes to discussion.
- Vince DeGeorge
A post I stumbled across the other day drew a distinction between hyper-local and hyper-personal style news aggregation. Topix at first seems to fit into the hyper-local mode when you restrict it to your city or zipcode. But there's also search that will bring up all the stories about your search term - no matter where they originated. Subscribe to the feeds for a bunch of search terms, and you've got yourself a hyper-personal aggregator. (Wish they'd use full text instead of partial text feeds, though.)
- Tom Landini
Oh, I love this poll (not): http://www.topix.com/forum... -- yeah, that's news. Glad I wasted my 5 minutes looking at that item from the Topix front page.
- Craig Eddy
I guess for non-tech people everything they see on FF is just noise, where to us the Zac and Cody conversations et al is just noise. Topix may end up being used as a tool by tech people, but probably not as a conversation forum. Then again, this begs the question of FF's growth beyond the tech/early adopter community.
- Kevin Bondelli
I have found Topix in my blogs log several times
- paul mooney
I still feel Topix is a little old fashioned, but they are generally under-rated, where as they should be what a lot of the 2.0 aggregation sites aim for. Community + they give back, no reposting full feeds, full links back etc...
- Duncan Riley
Fun fact: Thousands of web sites have more traffic/users than FriendFeed, but you won't catch me on them.
- Bwana ☠
Topix actually looks interesting. I doubt I'll sign up on it but it's worth Bookmarking.
- Outsanity
I wanted to like Topix, but I agree with Duncan - feels old fashioned. I signed up a long time ago, but found no real use for it. Maybe I should look again.
- Mack D. Male
Agree with Mack...lost interest upon initial viewing and have not returned since the 2007 revamp.
- Andy Angelos
Wow... I just emailed them about my hometown being incorrect. They responded within the hour! Talk about service!
- Mike Wills
Mmmm. Tastes like Usenet.
- Ernie Oporto
Had a look at the UK area and it looks like it is full of racist comments and not somewhere I would want to hang out. Shame.
- John Cooper
First off: Great video, Robert! Thanks for this; I'd never heard of Topix before, and now I'm intrigued. Second: No, Topix is not a Friendfeed clone; different market. Third: This is finally where I can really get local news, and a window into local opinion. Fourth: Yes, the conversations leave something to be desired. This opens an opportunity for improvement, no?
- Brent Newhall
Great interview
- Mark Nassal
Mahalo.com Being bought by MS??
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What? No.....
- Pat Hawks
are you sure??
- Fred Grott
MS will not get Yahoo and they need some search winner, why not Mahalo.com?
- Fred Grott
Heard something similar, but it was TimeWarner
- Ken Sheppardson
Microsoft trying to buy Mahalo would make sense but, I doubt it's true. I haven't heard anything close to that.
- Candace
lets see does Jason have a recent to valley trip planned?
- Fred Grott
Wait a second, Microsoft just bought Powerset. Why would they go and buy yet another search engine when they just acquired one?
- Candace
link to source?
- Matthew Wayne Selznick
@CandaceHolly because microsoft is confused over what they are? at least that is what the internet would have you believe :D
- The Geek Media
Will it be MSN Mahalo or Windows Live Mahalo? :)
- Morton Fox
I think this might have contributed to the rumors: http://scobleizer.com/2008...
- Robert Scoble
yeh right!!!
- Jeremy
request for source generates sound of crickets chirping
- Matthew Wayne Selznick
@Matthew - A google shows no sources at all. I think it was more an open ended question backed by a reason that we're not aware of yet.
- Candace
As If !!!! But microsoft is on a spending spree when it comes to search engines, remember? And there was that indicator from Scobles interview linked above, remember?
- Roberto Bonini
weird how jason isn't in on this discussion!
- Gavin
But notice that Robert Scoble is
- Fred Grott
I just Twittered Jason, but I don't expect him to comment. Most CEOs won't comment on rumors unless they are true, and even then, they usually comment on their own schedules, not someone else's.
- Robert Scoble
That said, if Microsoft bought Mahalo and Powerset that'd be the first signs of a search strategy inside Microsoft in years. It'd be smart to do.
- Robert Scoble
Where is jason when you need him
- Akshay Dodeja
This simple FF question is going to snowball into a blogging rumor mill within 12 hours. I'll bet money on it.
- Candace
I heard it was Pfizer or Nabisco
- MG Siegler
Hum, I guest Stevie is anxious to buy anything and everything that is associated with the word "search"
- Shane
Maybe someone should set up a Rumor Mill room on FriendFeed.
- Mike Doeff
It's on the Internet so it must be true.
- Charles Barthold
Powerset is shown to work great on factual, structured data. Why wouldn't Mahalo with its human editors and coordination + Powerset be an excellent combination?
- Mattie
I hope it's true, Jason congrats if it is!
- E.B.
guys be serious a minute, if MS want to buy technology (cuill?) not grotto-workers
- Virtualgoodz
it would make sense and would be inline with this: http://www.techcrunchit.com/2008...
- nik
i don't know any reporter who would run this as a post, unless they're shooting it down as an example of an unfounded rumor. we'll see who writes a post entitled something like "Rumor: Is MS buying Mahalo?" personally, i've run stories that i've doubted, but i've always had more to go on than this, and i very heavily qualify myself. if anyone here wants to write a rumor-mill post on this, be my guest -- but you'll experience the backlash that causes reporters to not run such unfounded stories. geez.
- Eric Eldon
@ Mike Doeff: Done- http://friendfeed.com/rooms... . @Robert Scoble - think wider: Live Search + Yahoo + Powerset + Mahalo = very compelling search offering.
- Roberto Bonini
Grotto-workers?
- Lon Harris
from twhirl
Who says a reporter would cover it? I said bloggers. Big difference considering the majority of bloggers aren't journalists. As far as this rumor..first, we've had zero source to go on. Second, not one word from the person who would know for sure. I chock it up to a rumor but..I think this rumor is about to get fun.
- Candace
@Candace - A rumor that makes sense!!!
- Roberto Bonini
@Roberto - a rumor that makes sense is still a rumor. Though this would be a great experiment. How much of a buzz could a rumor on friend feed start? Hmmm...
- Candace
ok sure, this is a fun conversation. i can think of some other ones, too, like this http://digg.com/comedy...
- Eric Eldon
If Mahalo is snapped up by Microsoft for some undisclosed fee, it will be a clear signal that Microsoft is on the warpath. Startups everywhere, beware!!!
- Roberto Bonini
At least GOOG would have access to the Vatican Library. That'd go a long way towards their goal of organising the worlds information.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
Seems a bit crazy...
- Alex Barredo
@ Alex: Ain't nothing too crazy to be true.
- Roberto Bonini
@Jason Shultz. At least I'd be able to do Google searches to learn what's really inside of the Vatican Library, instead of relying on Dan Brown novels.
- Eric Eldon
he was on Leo's TWiT last night....
- Tanya
seems like it would be a smart move by MS, hedging bets on the future of search by investing in a variety of areas, which is more than google has done recently
- craig
No comment.
- Jason Calacanis
Three more Tesla's for Calacanis... lol
- John Denver
no comment means yes. If there were no discussions then calacanis wouldve just said no. Gotcha Jason:)
- Grant
or "no comment" means come visit Mahalo... driving traffic
- Adam Hansen
very curious indeed. i'll see if i can get the inside scoop....
- mike fabio
I can't believe there's this much discussion on this without any comment from anybody. Incredible.
- Charlie Anzman
I can't believe people still think Mahalo is a search engine. Jeez, it's a wiki/directory with a search feature. Edit: and lately, it's been more of a current news/blog than anything else.
- Paul Short
life is grand...
- fijidaddy
The other night I actually was pondering this very acquisition idea. Though I've never really used Mahalo for anything, I enjoy Calacanis and Mahalo Daily. Is it search, wiki or news?
- THX152
and the train has left the station... the comments, rumors are flying at "friendfeed" speed.
- michael sean wright
=D
- sean percival
THIS TIME Jason is ALSO going to take the money.
- Rob Sterling
/me envisions Mahalo Live! lulz
- rob friedman
Unlike. Fake rumor. See >>> http://www.parislemon.com/2008...
- Mike Reynolds
The “Participation Premium” - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
Tapio Liller, oliver gassner, Sarah Perez and 93 other people liked this
Nice post, in total ageement
- Patphelan
Wow. Great post Robert. Hope you & family had a fun 4th. I sure did!
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Brian, thanks. we had a great time. Nice and relaxing.
- Robert Scoble
Good point. That's driving good-quality participation instead of spamming attitudes. That could really improve the conversations.
- Marcello Del Bono
Robert, I agree with this, but regarding your comment on Allen's thread, the fact of the matter is that there are still 9 default people that get recommended when someone signs up. It's true, there is a "participation premium", and for good reason, but the big names still get rewarded simply because they're big names. I just wish I could see active FF users get highlighted now and then....
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- Raoul Pop
It's not a conversation if there's no participation. Good points, Robert.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Raoul: active FriendFeed members get featured all the time. You should learn how "Friend of a Friend" works. Anytime I like or comment on someone all 15,000 followers of me get to see that person's post and they can easily subscribe to them by hovering. The recommended list is totally useless for me, by the way. So I do wish they'd make it a lot better.
- Robert Scoble
What's amazing to me Robert is how much influence your *Likes* have. After you like something of mine, I usually see a rush of Friend adds. It's a very interesting dynamic to watch unfold.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
This is a great post!
- George Smith
@Raoul I definitely agree with you on the idea of changing who gets displayed in the first Recommended list. @Robert regardless of whether you pay attention to the Recommended list isn't really relevant IMO. The fact is that I would bet the majority of new arrivals to FriendFeed do indeed pay attention to it.
- Steven Hodson
Well, there probably has to be a combination of both - you can participate all you like, but if you don't do it in a meaningful and public way, it won't really matter. Still, a heartening thought that participation can be more important than name recognition alone. Gives some power to us little people (popularity wise, anyway).
- Erin
FF offers a remarkable way to participate. In fact, it's downright unique. Which is probably why FF will be HUGE. It has a pliancy of participation that's just unmatched, and it keeps getting better. Encouraging post.
- phil baumann
Yep. But, isn't "Participation" your full time job description? If it isn't, what is?
- Yuvi
Nice post. You're spot on with the analysis. The two of you use FF differently. Both of you are highly valuable to me as information sources, but in very different ways. Mike is a conversation starter. You carry and share conversations and link people that wouldn't otherwise connect. FF is smart to have both of you as recommended follows.
- Christian Anderson
Yuvi i spend everyday trying to figure out what my job is. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: you're doing for free what no "community manager" could ever do. I'd like to know how much engagement on FF, Twitter is directly related to the Scoble effect.
- Christian Anderson
So Robert, is there a certain point where you loose interest in a site simply because of the onslaught of new users? Does the signal-to-noise ratio go down as more users discover and start to use a site from your perspective?
- Jim McCusker
@Robert: Figured it out yet? ;) You are the only *classical A-Lister* whom I know as being really "approachable", as in I can tweet at you and expect to get a response (or leave a comment here and there's a reasonable chance that you'll respond).
- Yuvi
It's so true, it all boils down to interaction.
- Fredrik Nordmoen
Participation is key.
- Thomas Hawk
Robert Scoble: I just want to let you know how much I appreciate seeing your feedback and constant participation on FF. Because of this sole factor, I would much rather meet up with you than Mr. Arrington (I follow and respect you both) over a cup of coffee or during a photowalk. To be honest, I don't know how you keep up with it all, but keep it up!
- Justin Korn
Link to related conversation: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Sprague D
what makes Robert and his posts become more viral and engaging is that he does not post and run. He engages in conversations, and unlike Arrington, he is rarely confrontational and doesn’t have the same arrogance. I have followed him for a while, but became a real advocate after his trip to DC. I thought his coverage was engaging, informative and it was awesome that he included your son.
- Fred Neil
Jim: that is a question that needs its own blog post. I generally find that early adopters do tend to get bored but what gets us to leave are jerks and spammers. I think FF might be more resistant to all of these negative effects but we'll have to see.
- Robert Scoble
What Justin said.
- Yuvi
Great points Robert, thanks for not stealing ALL the points I wanted to make in my next post :)
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
fail bird http://www.seanpercival.com/blog...
- sean percival
Robert: trying to inspire new blog posts? not me! ;-)
- Jim McCusker
I liike that Mike Arrington just liked this. :-)
- Robert Scoble
@Robert and he left a comment on the blog post itself :)
- Steven Hodson
I agree about the participation factor. But I do think that this post and the "Off of the tech entertainment train" post should both be encapsulated in <ego></ego> tags.
- Tom Quinn
Robert, the thing is, you ARE a 'popular kid' in this niche, whether it's on your blog or on FriendFeed. 10x your blog readers puts you BOTH in the top fraction of blog rankings. You call it the "Participation Premium," I call it "people keep you on their friend lists if you're not dead weight."
- Andy DeSoto
Robert, great read the only thing I disagree with, is the comparison to Twitter after four months and FriendFeed after four months. As the logic goes, if hundreds (maybe thousands) of Twitter users are jumping the ship, (or, as I imagine, there is quite a bit of overlap), then the logic follows that many of them would land on FriendFeed (and hence follow you). Even though I consider...
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- David Adewumi
Scobleizer theorem of social media = participate indefinitely
- Kerem Ozkan
David: I don't think many Twitter users are jumping ship. I think a lot of them are finally seeing the utility of using both twitter and friendfeed together. But I do agree that it is easier for newer services to get quick adoption because of Twitter. The next big thing will happen even faster than FriendFeed did.
- Robert Scoble
I think the difference from Twitter to FriendFeed is that the casual Twitter followers never made it to FriendFeed. I don't know many casual Twitter users who continue to use Twitter with all it's issues.
- Sal DiStefano
Exactly right. Investment of yourself pays dividends in many ways.
- John Federico
I do see the utility of using Twitter and FF together. I'm sure both will help break the hot apps of the near-future. Just goes to show that discussion is not exclusive to how many people you know, but that the internet, in many ways, is leveling the playing field in discussion and influence.
- David Adewumi
Robert: BINGO BABY! you nailed it with this post... thank you for writing it! Not only is participation key for conversation, but also evangelism of the service; plus, community management. I would expect those as a bare minimum...not, "Oh gee, hey these guys are popular in the blogosphere; on some other service elsewhere so let's tell everyone to follow them here" (doesn't make sense, especially since *some* of them don't even really use FF yet except to aggregate a couple of feeds (cross-post / backup).
- Susan Beebe
This was a great post! As a natural worrier, I held my breath for a while after you said that this community is friendlier than any other. Surely the taint of the general way the Internet seems to operate will eventually ruin this place too? (I really hope not!)
- David Muir
ReadWriteWeb Integrates FriendFeed & Twitter Into Our Comments - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
Hutch Carpenter and Ross Maguire liked this
"We've discussed whether to use services such as Disqus, YackTrack and SezWho, which enable people to track and rate blog comments. However our conclusion was that those types of apps are unsuitable for a large multi-author blog like ReadWriteWeb - there are question marks over ability to handle the load, what happens if the service goes down, SEO, and other issues. And to be frank, personally I haven't found the user experience of any of those apps to be very compelling"
- Duncan Riley
I'm surprised by Richards call here, but interested in other viewpoints.
- Duncan Riley
Glam Turned Down a $1.3 Billion Offer: Report - http://www.inquisitr.com/671...
Ross Maguire and krug liked this
So in general, based on those you have talked to if asked whether you'd advise going Glam, you'd say yes?
- Robert Seidman
If you're in the right demographic, absolutely (womens stuff mostly). Really good CPM at one stage, even on low traffic, not the best quality sites
- Duncan Riley
Too many investors can/will/did spoil the deal, IMO. They should have sold for the 11-fold ROI. They're not gonna peak much higher than this and soon after they will slide down. What are they holding out for?
- Mohamed J
Duncan, thanks for the info
- Robert Seidman
do you think web companies have started overvaluing themselves? *thinks of yahoo*
- Tyler Gillies
Tyler, the biggest thing with these guys is the $115m they've taken in (which is insane BTW given it's an advertising network so they should have recurrent revenue). $1.3 is a great price, but it's not a huge multiple to the investors. Problem is in the future is it going to be worth more?
- Duncan Riley
This is the best FriendFeed app I know of. Beautiful design, innovative features (record and post video, filter by service, inline commenting)...via feedalizr - http://feedalizr.com
@baratunde, Ross Maguire, Taylor and 14 other people liked this
Downloading it to give it a try right now, though I do love my AlertThingy!
- Stephen B
from Alert Thingy
Wow, this is slick. Thanks for the recommendation....via feedalizr
- Ian Linkletter
I love AlertThingy too, ukstevieb! Though I like to try new apps (addicted to AIR). Sadly, feedalizr is great but some UI oddities appear now and again. Is alpha after all ;-)...via feedalizr
- Matt Harwood
This looks pretty and all, but it's difficult to tell exactly what it does. There's not even a legible screenshot so far as I can tell.
- Prunella
@Matt : that's the reason i switched back to alert thingy.
- Mladen Srdić
from Alert Thingy
thanks for the tip...just installed, and so far so good. AlertThingy has been bugging me lately the way wide images mess up the ui, cutting off all the alerts on the right......via feedalizr
- Trent Olson
wow
- Duncan Riley
from twhirl
Is there no way to collapse comments in feedalizr? I have to scroll like 5 pages to get through some of my feed's comments.
- Mark Trapp
@prunella - it's like AlertThingy. @itaforma: not that I know of, but that would be nice!...via feedalizr
- Matt Harwood
giving it a try
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
pretty nice! ...via feedalizr
- Jamie
trying it out. will let you know if like better than twhirl...via feedalizr
- Photo Larry
wow this is coolthanks for pointing out!...via feedalizr
- Morgan
Yeah, looks good...via feedalizr
- Ross Maguire
Only failure is a lack of Twitter account support from what I can see + it's a little fat (wide). other than that, very nice indeed...via feedalizr
- Duncan Riley
It looks like it has twitter support Duncan...via feedalizr
- Ross Maguire
Duncan, it has twitter support! Hit the twitter logo up top and fill in details. Can post to twitter (but not "read" twitter)
- Matt Harwood
@Duncan: and you can reply to tweets by clikcing the little back arrow button next to the tweet...via feedalizr
- Trent Olson
Mine hangs when authenticating, WTF? (OS X version)
- Shannon
from Alert Thingy
Feedalizr just underwent a huge facelift and makeover. Much better now.
- Phil G
I agree Phil, I tried it before and wasn't too keen. Now I'm in lurve (needs room support though - I'm sure it's coming)...via feedalizr
- Matt Harwood
I dont see any inline support for Twitter though, my twtr + FF contact list doesn't match up so I still need to import from Twitter. Working on fixing this though :-)
- Duncan Riley
from twhirl
Thanks. It's very cool. I tried Alert Thingy first and every external link clicked launched my html editor. Curious. ...via feedalizr
- Prunella
I still prefer web
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I like it too, matt!!!! :D...via feedalizr
- Adam Robertson
Prunella: sounds like you have html files set by default to open your html editor on your system. Don't think that's an issue with AlertThingy :-)
- Matt Harwood
I'm not really feeling it. Might try it again after a while once they add some more functionality like collapsing comments and such.
- Vaughn
from Alert Thingy
very nice indeed...via feedalizr
- acedanger
Giving it a try now.. I like the concept :)
- Brad McCrorey
I uninstalled it already. It kept jumping to the top every time someone posted something new. I couldn't even finish reading one set of comments before I was cut off. I still prefer web as well.
- David Cook
Why totally uninstall mate? It is alpha with many bugs, sure, but its general design is so much smoother than the twhirl experience (no offense to Loic :-) )...via feedalizr
- Matt Harwood
Wow, this is extremely slick. Thanks for the heads up!...via feedalizr
- Evan Sims
doesnt alertthingy also bump stuff to top with new comments too? I wish some app would know not to do that...via feedalizr
- Photo Larry
well, that was a fun hour or so with Feedalizr, before it seemed to crap out on me. I'll have to check back on it again in the future (maybe the next time AlertThingy craps out?)
- Trent Olson
from Alert Thingy
I had the same experience Trent Olson. Gave it up... maybe until a later alpha or even a beta. It's very slick though.
- Prunella
@Matt Harwood thanks, I had considered that, however links in any other (non-browser) application have no problem activating the link in an actual browser. I'm no application developer, but it strikes me as something that can be controlled.
- Prunella
Matt: "Why totally uninstall mate? It is alpha with many bugs, sure, but its general design is so much smoother than the twhirl experience (no offense to Loic :-) )..." I am suscribed to all you tech-savy people on FF and I have all kinds of different RSS Feeds on my Outlook 07' that alert me to all kinds of new software and websites to try out. If I like it, I keep it. (ie: my love for...
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