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How Enterprise 2.0 Will Reshape Your Business - Harvard Business IdeaCast - http://blogs.harvardbusiness.org/ideacas...
Featured Guest: Andrew McAfee, principal research scientist at MIT's Center for Digital Business and author of Enterprise 2.0: New Collaborative Tools for Your Organization's Toughest Challenges.
- Ross Mayfield
alex dragulescu :: Data Portraits: Lexigraphs I - http://www.sq.ro/lexigra...
twitter word cloud visualization
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twitter word cloud visualization
- Ross Mayfield
Augmented Reality | Beyond The Beyond - http://www.wired.com/beyond_...
Bruce Sterling on AR
- Ross Mayfield
Awesome By Proxy: Addicted to Fake Achievement - http://www.pixelpoppers.com/2009...
It turns out there are two different ways people respond to challenges. Some people see them as opportunities to perform - to demonstrate their talent or intellect. Others see them as opportunities to master - to improve their skill or knowledge.
- Ross Mayfield
Gillmor Gang recording live 1PM Pacific http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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So, what are we talking about on the Gang today?
- Kevin Marks
@KevinMarks, I have something AS related that I'd like to show you next week. I think you'll appreciate it. Cliqset-related.
- Darren
would definitely like to see AS/Webfinger/GProfiles/OpenID being discussed.
- Jamie
I'm available for the Skype call.
- Robert Scoble
Be sure to discuss Information cards if you discuss OpenID
- Jesse Stay
What time is it? :)
- Rob La Gesse
Rob: sorry for running a little late. We'll be starting shortly. Steve, I'm on Skype now.
- Robert Scoble
4:30
- Jesse Stay
1 more minute...
- Robert Scoble
Too late? Nah, nah - it's just earlay, earlay...
- Jesse Stay
glad to see i'm not late. :)
- Karoli
love that 27 in imac Robert
- courtney benson
Mike Arrington is a state now?
- Jesse Stay
the 51st state, Jesse :)
- Roberto Bonini
My quad-core 27" iMac left China today! Can't wait - it arrives before Jason's baby ;)
- Rob La Gesse
If ChromeOS was out today, I would have bought a machine with it, rather than a MacBook for my family.
- Matt Mastracci
Ha.
- Darren
google knoll is now a big part of profiles and now with openid/webfinger google profile is a big item
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Vizard, Scoble, Marks & Calacanis on the Gillmor Gang: Live Now at http://building43.com/realtime
- Cliff Gerrish
Looking forward to buying the Droid this weekend
- courtney benson
It won't hit it for everyone until they have a decent online graphics and financial solution
- Jesse Stay
knol uses google profiles, just as other google apps do - profiles are a service for google apps
- Kevin Marks
They also need to come up with a way to integrate with client-side ID (information cards, selectors, etc)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I see you saw the light at the Kynetx conf... (from cookies to selectors)
- Cliff Gerrish
I think the launch Chrome netbooks will be free
- Jamie
Cliff, my eyes have seriously been opened - I am a new man now. I see a whole new future from that conference
- Jesse Stay
Although I'm still trying to understand it all. It's all still in progress as we speak.
- Jesse Stay
What I think we need is <input type="openid"> for HTML5 so browsers can do clientside ID
- Kevin Marks
Kevin, that would be awesome
- Jesse Stay
how long ago did it start?
- Christopher Harris
<input type="openid"> is the only way OpenID will succeed. It's not usable in its current state right now.
- Matt Mastracci
I don't want clientside, I want personal-cloud-side
- Kurtiss Hare
Matt, agreed
- Jesse Stay
Kurtiss, you need a combination of both - see http://staynalive.com/article...
- Jesse Stay
What people are wedded to is the development IDE - Nobody else has built anything near as compelling as Microsoft's IDE
- Rob La Gesse
html5 on the iphone is because of webkit
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Jesse: that's not "personal" cloud, at least the way I think about it.
- Kurtiss Hare
that was WPF
- Jamie
the seesmic for windows uses WPF
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Kurtiss what is "personal" cloud?
- Jesse Stay
I still haven't installed Silverlight/WPF on any of my machines and I haven't missed any content on the web.
- Matt Mastracci
WPF and Silverlight are converging as front-ends...
- Cliff Gerrish
I love the Netflix watch instantly -- it's silverlight...
- Cliff Gerrish
silverlight is still a subset of wpf
- Jamie
though the lines are blurring
- Jamie
It's a cloud that you own, that exposes "local services" like storage, identity selector config, computation, etc. to services you don't own
- Kurtiss Hare
Does this silverlight porting path just translate video, or the whole framework? If it's just video, it sounds like a WMV->MP4 codec.
- Matt Mastracci
I don't think stream of audio or video via silverlight to a webkit browser counts as a dev platform for iphone
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
has anyone got documentation on sliverlight video playback on iPhone? I didn't see that demo
- Kevin Marks
Sharepoint 2010 supports silverlight
- Jamie
+1 bear.
- Matt Mastracci
Kurtiss - where do you own it? On Amazon? Who hosts that data? If someone else is hosting it do you really own it? The client is the best place for the user to own their data. That can be supported by a cloud service, but your client needs to control it.
- Jesse Stay
Kevin http://www.iis.net/iphone
- Jamie
Jesse: that part's up to you, it can run from your house if you're into that. otherwise it can run from your amazon or rackspace account, whatever.
- Kurtiss Hare
Kurtiss, the average user is never going to be able to do that. It has to be something native in the browser or the operating system for the user to get it.
- Jesse Stay
@Kurtiss - your Rackspace account :) Please me more ;)
- Rob La Gesse
lol
- Kurtiss Hare
Also, a cloud-based service can't provide near the context a desktop client can
- Jesse Stay
Internal enterprise apps are never a predictor of platforms that'll survive. I could list dozens of dead Microsoft products that were "hot" for a while until they were abandoned.
- Matt Mastracci
Jesse, for now, but when the broadband explosion comes....
- Stephen Pickering
Office for Web is .Net right?
- Paul Shadwell
Stephen, even then you're never going to have full control so long as you rely on the cloud for full context. See my article above.
- Jesse Stay
"turns out, microsoft developed the killer app for chrome os" - office web apps
- Jamie
enterprise == large user count behind a firewall with a private network
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Jesse: What's the difference between the way that Windows/Mac OS X exposes my local services and the way a "personal cloud"-based OS could? It's Chrome OS' destiny ;)
- Kurtiss Hare
I've just finished installing SharePoint 2010 and now installing the Office Web Apps so I'll let you know shortly.
- Paul Shadwell
Robert, make sure you get that enterprise lecture from Steve before going on about Chatter
- Ross Mayfield
if chrome os enables a personal VPN experience that I can then allow individuals to "peek into" that would be a huge win
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Kurtiss, a personal cloud is never going to know what you're doing on Barnes and Noble vs. Borders.com at the same time. Please read my article above.
- Jesse Stay
Paul: NO. Office for Web is ALL JavaScript.
- Robert Scoble
"very loyal to office" == it's a huge pain and cost to translate all those proprietary docs to something else
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Jesse, cloud based services can bring context using social web - bring context in form you contacts and activities
- Kevin Marks
Kevin, only to an extent. You still need the client to control that process.
- Jesse Stay
Kevin, Jesse's talking Action Cards.
- Cliff Gerrish
Robert Office Web has Silverlight "extras"
- Jamie
better fidelity, smoother zooming etc
- Jamie
Kevin, I saw the demo but haven't the docs for it. Just passes the video off directly to the vid player on iPhone. Here is the demo URL http://www.iis.net/iphone
- Jerry Schuman
Robert: Do you think they did that for increased cross browser support?
- Paul Shadwell
many companies are just scared to move to the web It seems an insecure place to them and they take the IT guys (who get paid to manage Exchange) word for it. "You don't want to do that. It's insecure." Few CEOs outside our business will challenge talk like that.
- Matt Terenzio
I truly love that indictment. LOL...it's only Obama, Congress has not a damn thing to do with it.
- Karoli
I have multiple clients that draw on my twitter, Poco and other cloud contexts. phones, laptops desktops use them
- Kevin Marks
yea, like obama has control over the senate and house or the huge military infrastructure that bush had 8 years to setup
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
BULLSHIT, Jason.
- Karoli
Jason, agreed. Not that it's a viable sol'n.
- Kurtiss Hare
Jasos is a die-hard libertarian. Love it.
- Jerry Schuman
Karoli +1
- Ross Mayfield
obama set stem cell research free, that's crucial
- Christopher Harris
My 20-year old innovating son thinks you're full of shit. His diabetes doesn't kill him.
- Karoli
ok, adding politics to this discussion just ruined it and reminds me of the bad version of gilmor gang
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Standard of living has increased with population. Not saying there aren't challenges.
- Matt Terenzio
Some companies can't innovate because they pay too much for health care
- Ross Mayfield
Let's get back to tech please!!!!!!!
- Peter Mullen
Ross +1 back to you.
- Karoli
Microsoft won't stop innovating, but they'll be innovating in the wrong direction (closed platforms, etc.)
- Matt Mastracci
Jason sounds like Ehrlich's genocidal nonsense, not any Libertarians I know
- Kevin Marks
when all the normal workers - not those that are like most silicon valley startup wonks - can stop worrying about where the money for the next health bill comes from, then they will be able to spend time making work more productive
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Tim O'Reilly talks about Microsoft being a major player in the open web...
- Cliff Gerrish
Kevin, did you get the URL for the IIS demo?
- Jerry Schuman
Microsoft innovates but it's not accessible to the murmuring rabble. Like me. at least, not yet (other than Silverlight)
- Karoli
Microsoft is the greatest squandering of wealth in the History of business
- Stephen Pickering
Microsoft is a leader in the Information card space, and they're doing some amazing stuff with .Net, etc
- Jesse Stay
(note that I write this from a *nix-based MacBook Pro)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: see Craig Burton's rant on MSFT's implementation of cardspace.
- Cliff Gerrish
Microsoft is the new Newspaper business
- Matt Terenzio
Cliff, I'll look at that
- Jesse Stay
There's not a company that Balmer wouldn't buy. Gates had to come in and not allow him to bid more than 42 billion for Yahoo
- Stephen Pickering
How about Silverlight/Gestalt - running Ruby/Python in the browser.
- Cliff Gerrish
ahem
- Ross Mayfield
Gestalt is a dead end (I blogged here a while ago: http://grack.com/blog...)
- Matt Mastracci
and how is Salesforce managing this change in direction and focus... open source and open protocols I suspect
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Client wars have been going on for 2 decades.. it doesn't matter. You will have multiple native and web based clients from now until the cows come home.
- Jerry Schuman
warlords of tech, each guarding their own fiefdom.
- Karoli
The apathy of the user community regarding clients was evidenced by the failure of "Write Once, Run Everywhere"
- Jerry Schuman
it all boils down to Tower Defense!
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I think you just hit the nail on the head bear :-)
- Paul Shadwell
Robert it already exists.. DOM manipulations
- Jerry Schuman
Jerry: DOM Manipulations + Action Cards gets you there.
- Cliff Gerrish
the major change comes with context awareness. We're almost there.. very close in my estimation.
- Jerry Schuman
Jerry: Action Cards are all about contextual browsing.
- Cliff Gerrish
There are no generic enclosures is what I think Dave meant
- Matt Terenzio
meta data is data - it can be included with other meta data or consumed as is. what is key is removing the silo mentality -- open data api's to allow neutral use cases
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
twitter has always been a feature to be included in other apps -- they *are* a pipe
- Karoli
yes, they have rolled out a number of new features but they still have fundamental stability issues when followers drop off your account, when api calls still return random errors and other quality of life issues
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
btw: all those things you just mentioned extended Twitters discrete extensions of the backend. You're seeing twitter manipulate and compartmentalize their schema
- Jerry Schuman
bear, not only that, but they're anti-community. by sending that message, they tell me they intend to be a pipe for my data, not a host.
- Karoli
i've become so accustomed to their slowness of innovation, i certainly don't take the recently developed features for granted like I did when G or FF innovates...sad, really.
- Kurtiss Hare
still looking for those 'features'. closing conversations, making retweets a metric, and adding lists...?
- Karoli
While I might agree with ppl discounted MS I think discounting Ray Ozzie is a HUGE mistake. Especially if Ballmer gets forced out of MS.
- Rob La Gesse
it's all DATA SOUP. Apple had it right with the Newton ;-)
- Jerry Schuman
Authoritative ecosystems of record will still rule the day.
- Cliff Gerrish
Cliff +1
- Karoli
tweetie iphone is stil the best way to access
- Jamie
:) The Newton rocks! (still)
- Rob La Gesse
Gah Jerry - Newton Soup was the worlds slowest data model. Nice idea, lousy implementation.
- Kevin Marks
my commodore 64 is still in the garage...
- Karoli
Kevin, blame the processor ;-)
- Jerry Schuman
my C64 is right next to my pc and the mac :)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Great show guys! Like Mike, I like the Pre
- Peter Mullen
bye...good show even with the politics. :)
- Karoli
Thanks, sorry @Ross for not mentioning SocialText.
- Robert Scoble
short show :-(
- Jamie
We should do an enterprise shootout between all these new social enterprise systems
- Robert Scoble
Jamie: gotta make Turkey! :-)
- Robert Scoble
ah we dont have thanksgiving here
- Jamie
don't mind shorter shows if they are focused. except for the "into the ditch" diversion of the political discussion this was a nice tightly focused show
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
SocialText...unfortunate name. Brings to mind the "journal" that was punked by Alan Sokal.
- Christopher A Carr
I love SocialText, when I use it :-)
- Jesse Stay
I do.
- Aron Michalski
I do.
- Aron Michalski
Is Enterprise 2.0 a Savior or a Charlatan? - http://bardoli.blogspot.com/2009...
In this post, I want to describe what I saw at the conference, what I believe to be the missing components of the full Enterprise 2.0 picture, and also discuss how becoming "Driven to Perform" by understanding Strategy-Driven Execution is the best way to justify the value of Enterprise 2.0 in your organization.
- Ross Mayfield
The Enterprise 2.0 Value Propositions Agenda - http://blogs.zdnet.com/collabo...
some crock in this post i should find time to comment on
- Ross Mayfield
Stalqer Peers Into Your iPhone For A New Level Of Location-Based Creepiness - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
Sets up an email account that runs a background process to constantly share your location, imports Facebook graph and any public location information.
- Ross Mayfield
Android 2.0 - http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009...
screenshot walkthrough : Boy Genius Report
- Ross Mayfield
The App Store Effect: - http://gizmodo.com/5378390...
Are iPhone Apps Headed for Oblivion? - The app store effect - Gizmodo
- Ross Mayfield
Ozzie on the realtime wave - http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009...
Interview with Steve Gillmor
- Ross Mayfield
Christine: What's the Secret Success of MINT.com? - http://www.christine.net/2009...
The Real Numbers Behind Aaron Patzer's Growth Strategy
- Ross Mayfield
If your startup isn't using Socialtext for free, you are either stupid, going out of business, or both http://www.socialtext.com/product...
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What an awesome selling point! Nevermind, that most people never even heard of Socialtext.
- Admiral Anika
Thanks Anika, I'm trying to fix that
- Ross Mayfield
Clearly Anika needs to read my blog more ;)
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Daniel, I need to read blogs more. I even have yours in my GR and I don't think I've looked at GR since July.
- Admiral Anika
Gillmor Gang recording live 1PM Pacific http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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I hear Phil Windley and Craig Burton are going to be on today's Gillmor Gang.
- Cliff Gerrish
Sounds like a great show!
- Rob La Gesse
Hi Steve
- Keith Teare
i've been missing the live action but the transcript from the last show was a fun read
- Brian Hendrickson
"[Google] Wave is saying, okay, our structure model is (unintelligible) " lol @kevinmarks http://bh.ly/0w
- Brian Hendrickson
@Scobleizer - got a Wave invite for me?
- Keith Teare
i want a wave invite...she whined.
- Karoli
Does whinining work?
- Cliff Gerrish
guess we're going to find out. LOL
- Karoli
So the discussion is SideWiki, not Wave -- Google still the topic.
- Cliff Gerrish
SideWiki is a blogging tool.
- Kevin Marks
wonder when SideWiki will come to my chrome. want it.
- Christopher Harris
I was just about to say that. SideWiki. . .
- Ron Hudson
Although, it's not really a wiki.
- Cliff Gerrish
dont believe the hype ;)
- sull
Seems like SideWiki, Echo and Disqus all do something similar.
- Cliff Gerrish
The web will become like Wings of Desire - We will all be able to listen to everyone's mind.
- Arnie Klaus
Just wrote a Sidewiki entry on "Category Archives: Real-time" http://bit.ly/12HDF
- Ron Hudson
We are thinking about you!
- Arnie Klaus
Amorphous
- Arnie Klaus
you guys should call up Leo Laporte and bring him into this conversation
- Brian Hendrickson
I don't even understand the concept of chat gathered around the Gillmor Gang any more. Do they mean the comments on this post?
- Matt Terenzio
Tina says KEVIN NEEDS TO SLOW DOWN!
- Cliff Gerrish
invisible backchannels
- Kevin Marks
Okay.
- Matt Terenzio
sorry wasn't making fun of you kevin!
- Brian Hendrickson
The difference between Sidewiki and Echo and Disqus is that Disqus and Echo give control over what get displayed to blog owner.
- Robert Scoble
I wrote a side wiki for the /realtime page. There is no way to edit it?
- Ron Hudson
But Sidewiki isn't something you add to your blog, it's just a portal that a small subset of users use to look at it
- Brian Hendrickson
I'd like to see SideWiki allow WebHooks, so when you submit a post it can also update another service ... Kind of like Posterous
- Ideas At Random
Control is an illusion.
- Cliff Gerrish
Echo and Disqus can bring the sidewiki feed back into it
- Kevin Marks
I's not controlling conversation I object to just reaching across a network and changing the way my content is displayed. I have no objections to a client side mashup or even a peer to peer
- Matt Terenzio
You do have control over what you write. You don't have control over what OTHER PEOPLE write.
- Ken Sheppardson
SideWiki is MOST dangerous because it isn't RSS-enabled, and there's no way to properly monitor it.
- Ike Pigott
SideWiki has a feed for every page and for every user, wrong Ike
- Kevin Marks
Y'all realize Diigo has been doing this same thing for a couple years now, right? Folks just haven't objected because they don't know about it. There will *always* be side converasations you don't know about that you can't control.
- Ken Sheppardson
framing is wrong. I format my content to browser size (just devil's advocate, I don't do that)
- Matt Terenzio
Kevin, I have yet to see the feed.
- Ike Pigott
It's not "framing", it's a browser add-in. Only those who've chosen to install the "app" see it.
- Ken Sheppardson
Scoble seems to advocate ignorance as a blissful state.
- Cliff Gerrish
Nice nodes, Robert
- Ross Mayfield
what do you want a feed for, Ike? Which page?
- Kevin Marks
Gillmor suggests by his actions just now that there needs to be a judge(ment). Where is the referee.
- Arnie Klaus
You could build a similar service that displays the comments from FriendFeed related to a specific page in the sidebar. IT's the same API http://ffcheck.com uses. Would you object to that, Robert?
- Ken Sheppardson
I'd be interesting if SideWiki was a wiki
- Ross Mayfield
why would that make you interesting?
- Brian Hendrickson
as long as they don't change the display of my content, I think it's fine.
- Matt Terenzio
SideWiki is really more of a palimpsest.
- Cliff Gerrish
What is the difference between sidewiki and just twittering with a #scobleizer tag?
- Ron Hudson
I am choosing to go to site A and I am choosing to install sidewiki. Why should site A control what I see there?
- Ryan
You still have control over that frame, Robert. You don't (i.e. shouldn't) have control over my sidebar.
- Ken Sheppardson
I'm stuck on bandaid.
- Jay Cuthrell
cuz bandaid's stuck on me
- Jay Cuthrell
Yeah, Ken you are right
- Matt Terenzio
Robert - remember when I closed my FriendFeed account and you argued that I deleted YOUR comments stream?
- Rob La Gesse
Nobody's modifying what you're trying to display. There's a supplemental app that's displaying additional information about your page, Robert. And you have nothing to say about it, nor should you.
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert's totally right. Rock on
- Stephen Pickering
Ken, bullshit
- Stephen Pickering
You'll have to make a logical argument, Stephen. Epithets don't work.
- Ken Sheppardson
It's his page
- Stephen Pickering
That was MY post that the comments were attached to. I deleted that linkage - which affected you, and you were pissed :)
- Rob La Gesse
It's my browser and desktop.
- Ken Sheppardson
It's defacing his page
- Stephen Pickering
Kevin, I just tried plugging URLs into that API, and it doesn't pull.
- Ike Pigott
He delivered his page to my browser the way he wanted, once on my browser I can do anything to it
- Ryan
you need to escape the :// stuff
- Kevin Marks
Google Toolbar = evil :)
- Rob La Gesse
Aren't all audiences shared, and the audience owns itself?
- Ross Mayfield
You already do anything you want with pages in your browser.
- Cliff Gerrish
But ken if a plugin said, here Google take this page I want and add all the extra metadata to it and return it to me. That is wrong. It's different than a local client gathering content and displaying the way the enduser wants. technicality, but that is law. and I'm no lawyer
- Matt Terenzio
sidewiki isn't part of anybody's blog. it is an abstraction layer that becomes visible when a sidewiki user visits the blog
- Keith Teare
Do I have the "right" to install ad-blocking plugins? Do I have the "right' to install Greasemonkey or Stylish to change fonts and background colors?
- Ken Sheppardson
I did escape it: http://www.google.com/sidewik...
- Ike Pigott
Robert is trying to say sidewiki is like yelp gluing reviews to restaurant doors.
- Ron Hudson
Sidewiki is defacement
- Stephen Pickering
Yeah, why do all these geeks even have Google toolbar, anyway?
- Matt Terenzio
Who needs Sidewiki?
- Jonathan Brown
no, you need the full URL with trailing slashes and everything
- Kevin Marks
Spamwiki?
- Arnie Klaus
No one
- Stephen Pickering
actually, Robert's password IS his phone number :)
- Robert J Taylor
But *I* as the reader, am the one making the choice to "deface" the page. It's not as if every visitor is being forced to read those comments. It's MY CHOICE to see them.
- Ken Sheppardson
I did that too, Kevin. It didn't resolve, didn't pull in the very comment I left.
- Ike Pigott
100% correct Ken
- Ryan
SideWike is Google stepping in the same pile of dogshit that others have stepped in before.
- Rob La Gesse
Imagine if Yelp went around gluing reviews to restaurant windows! Absurd!
- Ron Hudson
There's money in blogs?
- Jay Cuthrell
How about Instapaper, which bookmarks your page and reformats it for mobile browsing. Is that "allowed"?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken that would be fine if you were the only one who could read your defacement or see it
- Stephen Pickering
I feel VERY sorry for the first company to get hammered in SideWiki during crisis communications.
- Ike Pigott
Your defacing it and the public can see it
- Stephen Pickering
Robert we are with you.
- Ron Hudson
btw, I'm using Sidewiki on this FriendFeed page
- Ross Mayfield
Ike, they will be hammered somewhere else anyway
- Kevin Marks
No you are not Stephen, if someone doesn't have sidewiki installed they can't see it
- Ryan
No, it's not the "public", it's all those users who've made the choice to view a conversation in a sidebar related to your page.
- Ken Sheppardson
Not defacing the site - but MOVING the conversation - which affects branding, value, etc
- Rob La Gesse
so its not defacement for all
- Ryan
But if they do have sidewiki they do
- Stephen Pickering
So you don't ever talk about blog posts or web pages on FriendFeed then, right, Stephen?
- Ken Sheppardson
then they choose to see that content, it wasn't forced on them
- Ryan
OK, at the count of three, everyone uninstall Google Toolbar. Then they will just build it into Firefox. And BECOME MS
- Rob La Gesse
Kevin, you're right -- but THOSE posts and comments will be more easily sortable, findable, and addressable. SideWiki is way too chaotic. And since all the SideWiki comments live on GOOGLE domain, they will show up in search eventually!
- Ike Pigott
Ken, hell yes, I do, but that's on FriendFeed and not on somebody's site
- Stephen Pickering
"we had no choice" is the critical aspect that isn't being addressed by wider audiences
- Jay Cuthrell
If I told you that I was using the FriendFeed API to retrieve and display all conversations related to the page I'm visiting in my sidebar, would you object to that, Stephen? See http://ffcheck.com
- Ken Sheppardson
yes Ken, but just because you ask me, I can't legally send a copy of something to you. Not saying they do this here, but I bet they want to soon if they mix it with search data and deliver ads, for example
- Matt Terenzio
They don't all live on Google's domain - that was my point about http://oneforty.com where SideWiki shows the TechCrunch RWW et al posts
- Kevin Marks
people who publish web pages need to host a more friendfeed-like discussion experience if they want to counter the sidewiki effect
- Brian Hendrickson
Steve - that IS an economically feasible plan
- Rob La Gesse
I just made a comment on this chat using side wiki http://bit.ly/V8TWq but I don't see anyone else's
- Ron Hudson
Ron - what I said
- Brian Hendrickson
Quoting @GinaTrapani: "Prediction: Google Sidewiki will go the way of Google Knol (ie, you'll never hear about it again)"
- Mike Doeff
SideWiki is poised to become Yahoo message boards or YouTube comments
- Robert J Taylor
SideWiki is so Cuil.
- Ike Pigott
Good. There will be a hell of a push back if it does take off
- Stephen Pickering
This whole industry that attempts to monetize content by framing it in a particular context, i.e. wrapped by ads, is sorta doomed, IMHO. In the long run.
- Ken Sheppardson
Brian I don't see your posts. just mine
- Ron Hudson
Yeah, so what's next, Ken, Google will put its own ads on my site?
- Stephen Pickering
No. I'm saying ads are dead.
- Ken Sheppardson
I posted a direct link to a Sidewiki comment I added here.
- Ike Pigott
please move on.
- sull
Ike - when I clicked the link then I saw your link, but not mine or anyone else's
- Ron Hudson
everything is a "backchannel"
- sull
Ron, I refreshed the page, and no one else's SideWiki entries are displayed.
- Ike Pigott
Don't backchannel me bro!
- Robert Scoble
Which URL did you use, Ike? I think there are number of different URLs/views.
- Ken Sheppardson
Scoble uses the backchannel to request we not backchannel him.
- Cliff Gerrish
Life is a backchannel.
- Ken Sheppardson
I have no idea what that means.
- Ken Sheppardson
"Don't backchannel me bro!" tshirts would sell well I bet.
- Jay Cuthrell
"Don't backchannel me bro! - Robert Scoble" - heh
- Rob La Gesse
pretty soon we won't know what is true and who said it! we are doomed!
- Matt Terenzio
What about DotSpots? Introduced at least year's TC 50 and finally launched a few weeks ago... http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Mike Doeff
I have to take several ibuprofen every day for my backchannel problem.
- Jerry Schuman
Ken, find me the feed for this link: http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_b...
- Ike Pigott
SideWiki turns blogs into Fox News
- Rob La Gesse
Mike -- DotSpots is the same issue as well. Very good catch.
- Jay Cuthrell
So, what does SideWiki with Wikipedia mean?
- Robert J Taylor
Sidewiki is the new standard for comments on all websites. Just install a Wordpress plugin for bringing Sidewiki entries into your blog comments.
- Charbax
I see yours now Ike, I commented on a different url. SideWiki #fail
- Ron Hudson
No Rob... SideWiki turns blogs into subway cars, in a town that sells permanent infrared spraypaint.
- Ike Pigott
All systems need calibration or the noise takes over.
- Arnie Klaus
ooooookay
- Jay Cuthrell
we know that, but is it legal?
- Matt Terenzio
Ike - nice
- Rob La Gesse
"You're so 10 mins ago" <- this is Real Time, after all :)
- Robert J Taylor
knew VRM would make it in here!
- Matt Terenzio
Sidewiki will never take off and even if it does, there will be so much push back just like the digg framer that they will discontinue it
- Stephen Pickering
Jay, yeah DotSpots raises the same issues but nobody is talking about them because they're relatively unknown (unlike Google)
- Mike Doeff
I hope Google puts SideWiki in Firefox. That will be the start of the anti-trust investigation
- Rob La Gesse
Sidewiki or something like it will absolutely take off, you just won't know about it.
- Ken Sheppardson
I see the other comments now
- Ron Hudson
Can't we sell in the sidewiki?
- Arnie Klaus
My browser is not your place of business, Robert.
- Ken Sheppardson
plugin functionality is quickly being surpassed by things like Comet/AJAX, so what's next.. who can write AJAX?
- Jerry Schuman
but my site is my place of business (so to speak)
- Robert J Taylor
Your browser isn't but when you can use it to deface his website, it is his place of business
- Stephen Pickering
Jeez... we're going in circles yet again..
- Ken Sheppardson
Google isn't as well known as we'd like to think. Sidewiki should be enabled on every news article ever created. Every news article should have a Wikipedia stub. If Google assists, fine... but I'd rather see the overlay be outside control of any one company.
- Jay Cuthrell
Friendfeed can easily bring sidewiki entries inside friendfeeds feeds
- Charbax
I wish that death spiral would accelerate.
- Jerry Schuman
I'm drawing a moustache on Robert Scoble right now.
- Cliff Gerrish
This is about as useful as wave. I'm out.
- Ron Hudson
There will be so much push back on this you won't believe it. This will be taken to court and Google ruled against
- Stephen Pickering
Charbax: And FriendFeed in a sidebar can essentialy replace Sidewiki
- Ken Sheppardson
What nonsense that guy just said
- Stephen Pickering
I just pushed SideWiki into my Friendfeed, and my Friendfeed spools into my SideWiki profile, and it hasn't caused me any probl
- Ike Pigott
Transient logic... next big push.. data push first.. logic push next.
- Jerry Schuman
it is a document that is being passed across the web, despite how complicated the creation and distribution is. ultimately it is html and javascript
- Matt Terenzio
Sidewiki needs to bring in Google Reader comments related to the "post"/page it's displaying. That'd be slick.
- Ken Sheppardson
the document comes from a location, or multiple locations
- Matt Terenzio
Sidewiki already brings in relevant related blog posts from blogsearch/google news
- Charbax
Isn't the location metaphor broken, just like the silo metaphor.
- Cliff Gerrish
we're resurrecting "compound document" architectures ala OpenDoc
- Jerry Schuman
Right. Firefox? What?
- Jay Cuthrell
I think anyone disclosing that would be subject to whisteblower status.
- Jay Cuthrell
Someone has to host all the web's comments, I'd rather it be Google than Facebook.
- Charbax
Charbax - I would prefer it is distributed
- Rob La Gesse
maybe microsoft is the new microsoft and google is slightly changed google
- Matt Terenzio
Okay... I'm out. (please allow me to continue with my fantasy that anyone noticed I was in)
- Ike Pigott
Bye Ike.
- Cliff Gerrish
Do we truly care who hammed a nail? Or do we mostly care that the nail was hammered properly? (pertaining to "identity")
- Jay Cuthrell
I'd prefer that comments be distributed, and when you view an "entry" or some chunk of content, all the associated, linked comments on and items related to that item can be pulled from wherever they live and displayed for me, subject to filtering I define.
- Ken Sheppardson
You can just load the comments from Google's Sidewiki server by simply copying from the RSS feeds.
- Charbax
we don't want nails, just weak glue
- Matt Terenzio
"please show your comment card"
- Jay Cuthrell
Webmasters should not be able to filter comments. That's the whole point. Power to the people, not the current establishment of the web
- Charbax
NASCAR?
- Jay Cuthrell
I love the fact that if you run Kevin's twitter id through a twitter sentiment tool he's categorized as "post-graduate" ;-)
- Jerry Schuman
that was google worthy :)
- Jay Cuthrell
The NASCAR problem is the zillions of identity logins available on sites supporting openid.
- Cliff Gerrish
Cliff - yeah that was the first google hit :)
- Jay Cuthrell
Hey Ken, are you coming to IIW?
- Cliff Gerrish
I wonder how NASCAR feels about that? ;-) I didn't get that as a top hit relating to mechanical engineering or marketing elements related to car racing.
- Jay Cuthrell
I might... I should.... Nov 3-5 at the Comp History Museum?
- Ken Sheppardson
Amazing. http://www.google.com/search...
- Jay Cuthrell
Can you /sidewiki/ sidewiki?
- Jay Cuthrell
Damn you Steve!
- Rob La Gesse
Ownership of content is dead.
- Ken Sheppardson
Yes, Ken. I'll be at IIW.
- Cliff Gerrish
This event was Tricasted thanks to NewTek!
- Rob La Gesse
Could you check the audio sync before posting this on Youtube? all the other Gillmor Gang Youtube videos seem to be out of sync
- Charbax
Good show.
- Mike Doeff
This show was TriCasted :) ... like that
- Robert J Taylor
i'll have to pick it up on the rerun. deadlines and doctor's appointments intervened.
- Karoli
Charbax google is working on fixing
- Steve Gillmor
Google/YouTube is looking in to the sound sync problem. It's happend on a number of other videos too.
- Cliff Gerrish
Is there an rss feed to download the videos from YouTube yet?
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
Christian: You can be notified of a new upload via this RSS feed: http://gdata.youtube.com/feeds...
- Jack
Really interesting show.
- Amyloo
Still listening to the show, but one idea that doesn't seem to have been brought up on the sidewiki debate is the fact that I can create a custom CSS template for a page (Scobleizer.com for example) and even further change and/or modify a website's appearance and look. What happens when Google creates a proverbial "sideCSS" widget to allow everyone easy access to modify the look of...
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- Chris Aldrich
Doesn't RSS already strip all the formatting from a website in order to transport one level of value?
- Cliff Gerrish
Not every site has RSS. haven't you heard it's dead?
- Matt Terenzio
@Ross all the best and many happy returns!
thanks!
- Ross Mayfield
Activity Streams: Realtime and Streamtime - http://www.gravity7.com/blog...
Gravity7: Social Interaction Design by Adrian Chan:
- Ross Mayfield
The democratization of IT | Software as Services | ZDNet.com - http://blogs.zdnet.com/SAAS...
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“It’s really a thought process more than an underlying technology. How am I going to build my technology so it can be used by the widest audience?”
- Ross Mayfield
Kim Feraday: On people as platform and organization as community - http://kimferaday.typepad.com/my_webl...
It also means that organizations must begin to evaluate how they can accommodate organizational restructuring based on emerging communities, and how best to stimulate their growth and success.
- Ross Mayfield
A Virtual Revolution Is Brewing for Colleges - washingtonpost.com - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...
Kathleen Forden liked this
When this happens -- be it in 10 years or 20 -- we will see a structural disintegration in the academy akin to that in newspapers now. The typical 2030 faculty will likely be a collection of adjuncts alone in their apartments, using recycled syllabuses and administering multiple-choice tests from afar.
- Ross Mayfield
Gillmor Gang 1PM Pacific http://www.building43.com/realtim...
Stephen Edgar, Francine Hardaway, Derrick Peters and 35 other people liked this
11 viewers for a test pattern, and I seem to be one of them.
- Cliff Gerrish
Getting ready to rock 'n' roll
- Tina Chase Gillmor
It is a nice test pattern though.
- Warner Crocker
Cliff - it is a CLASSY test pattern though :)
- Rob La Gesse
Timing. LOL
- Warner Crocker
Bret Taylor of Facebook will join us to talk about open sourcing Tornado
- Steve Gillmor
I don't recognise that test pattern but the zone plate parts are showing some hf loss...
- Kevin Marks
Cool! From what I know so far, I think I'm in love with Tornado.
- Raphael, Raphael
I'm in the Gillmor Gang studio.
- Robert Scoble
Please stand by. Technical difficulties are being worked on.
- Robert Scoble
I'm enjoying the test pattern. Heard Steve's voice, so I'm sure we're closer to a b-cast. :)
- Karoli
Karoli: yup. Getting closer.
- Robert Scoble
10.9.8.7.
- Robert Scoble
Look - a @building43 t-shirt! :)
- Rob La Gesse
Puppets are all the rage right now. :)
- Karoli
buffering, unwatchable
- Mark
The feed is coming in crystal clear for me....
- Mike Kelly
Mark: sorry. Is anyone else seeing this problem?
- Robert Scoble
There was a bit of a glitch, but all's well now.
- Ken Sheppardson
Working well for me.
- Jason Huebel
Cool.
- Robert Scoble
crystal clear here :)
- Adnan
Actually....the audio quality is much better than the old GG episodes!
- Mike Kelly
Really curious to hear from Bret how he'd tie XMPP into Tornado... where he sees the intergration points and overlap.
- Ken Sheppardson
Is Kevin Marks still with google?
- Adnan
Is there an audio only feed?
- Shaun Trennery
Shaun: close your eyes. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
LiveJournal growth/uptime was a lot like the present Twitter headache.
- Jay Cuthrell
Kevin is now with British Telecom. VP of Web Services
- Ken Sheppardson
:) Thanks Robert, bandwidth here in South Africa is limited. My pigeon is fast asleep.
- Shaun Trennery
Tornado chat room demo instance http://chan.friendfeed.com:8888/
- Ken Sheppardson
Real-Time Remastering....wow..talk about Gillmore Gang 3.0
- Mike Kelly
Whoo! name check
- Jack
Transcoding on the fly circa 2001 :) Nice!
- Jay Cuthrell
Thanks Steve
- Shaun Trennery
Waiting for the tech geek hitler moment when someone says that Google Wave is dead
- Ross Mayfield
Jack: waiting for your remastering magic! :-)
- Robert Scoble
"Some guy named Jack" :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
This is greatly enjoyable and informative. Thank you all.
- Harry Wolff
bingo
- Ross Mayfield
what method does tornado use to pull updates that it pushes realtime?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Wave is XMPP based... hence my earlier question RE how he'd tie XMPP into Tornado... where he sees the intergration points and overlap.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ross: that one was for you!
- Robert Scoble
:-)
- Robert Scoble
;-)
- Ross Mayfield
I'd love to know when noreply and donotreply goes away from Facebook notification emails.
- Jay Cuthrell
Mochiweb (Erlang web framework) has some pretty easy to use support for long-polling too. Use it at http://replies.twitterfall.com for the streaming API there. I think Facebook use it for chat? (guess)
- Jalada
Agreed Steve.......This is now officially WAY over my head.... ;-)
- Mike Kelly
So, Bret... any plans for a near-term Tornado meetup?
- Ken Sheppardson
Has there been any discussion on any top line scaling metrics they are shooting for now? i.e. transcations per second, etc.
- Jay Cuthrell
Thursdays between 1 - 2pm SFO likes to fly jets over the NGL studios! We must have a talk about this
- Tina Chase Gillmor
lol, love the Canter picture
- Ross Mayfield
agreed... great Canter action shot :)
- Jay Cuthrell
I believe that was at LeWeb several years ago. But Marc was famous for sleeping at conferences.
- Robert Scoble
thanks... I'll take credit for the Canter photo. Not for taking it but for choosing it
- Tina Chase Gillmor
awesome! :)
- Susan Beebe
jazz?
- Jay Cuthrell
yeah, what was that? :)
- Susan Beebe
new Kenny G intro music...
- Mike Kelly
Someone was on hold and it leaked out.
- Robert Scoble
I seriously want that Calliflower hold music MP3
- Ken Sheppardson
That's a great blog - I follow it
- Jesse Stay
whats the future of friendfeed?
- Adnan
Ask him how scaling for Facebook compares to scaling from Google?
- Jesse Stay
robert - do you have a public blog reference for digg using casandra?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Cassandra uses Thrift too, which supports Python, so the two go together well.
- Jalada
Can't wait to work with Brett in Platform
- Jesse Stay
Mike: I saw it on one of the Digg guys' twitter accounts. I'll try to find some details.
- Robert Scoble
Rob, thanks for saving me the time! :-)
- Robert Scoble
BTW, Brett's saying it wrong - it's not "the Facebook Platform". It's "Facebook Platform".
- Jesse Stay
reading that too!
- Susan Beebe
His Colleagues would correct him on that :-)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: on what?
- Robert Scoble
Robert, on pronunciation of Facebook platform - there's no "the"
- Jesse Stay
exactly
- Jay Cuthrell
Ahh.
- Robert Scoble
They're very picky about that - it's "Facebook Platform" and not "The Facebook Platform". #littlethings :-)
- Jesse Stay
Any questions for Bret?
- Robert Scoble
The same "Rackspace Cloud" vs "The Rackspace Cloud" argument :)
- Rob La Gesse
Yes, they definitely can.
- Jalada
We're using Pubsubhubbub at http://rssfall.com but it's trivial to add rssCloud support and we're going to.
- Jalada
When will we get to see some of the FriendFeed-like real time features in the Facebook stream?
- Jesse Stay
And when will that work with the API?
- Jesse Stay
Q: What impact will today's release of @Mentions on Facebook have on their infrastructure, performance?
- Susan Beebe
"Pub hub sub bub"? Nice :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Listening to this is so very interesting if you remember things like "ATG Dynamo" and the personalization wave of the .com days
- Jay Cuthrell
Can anyone ask Bret if Friendfeed plans to open source more of their code. Would love to see how Friendfeed handles the aggregation of all the user feeds.
- arjo
thanks rob and rob!
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
*boom* moment is when the homepages change
- Jay Cuthrell
Jesse - great question!
- Susan Beebe
Will friendfeed keep using their mysql blob store system or will they move to something more native to the FB platform?
- Ian Kallen
arjo: I will try to get to that.
- Robert Scoble
Facebook supports activitystrea.ms already
- Jesse Stay
Ian: I think the answer is clear that the future is Cassandra and other systems built to deal with 300-500 million users.
- Robert Scoble
De jure versus De facto? :P
- Jalada
that's why at the IETF they learned the hard way that implementation trumps a lone spec
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
"Drool: "Tornado comes w/ built-in support for Facebook Connect, Twitter, Google, FriendFeed and OAuth + OpenID." -- http://friendfeed.com/chrisme...
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert - Question for Bret --> What impact will today's release of @Mentions on Facebook have on their infrastructure, performance?
- Susan Beebe
assuming the thing enclosed is relevant to the stream presentation method
- Jay Cuthrell
You can learn more about Facebook's activity streams here: http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index...
- Jesse Stay
thanks Jesse!
- Susan Beebe
maybe Facebook RTVR will be available for timeshift realtimers (like DVR/Tivo for stuff)
- Jay Cuthrell
Nice show guys - thanks.
- Rob La Gesse
epic GG -- thanks!
- Jay Cuthrell
Thanks GG ! :)
- Susan Beebe
Interesting show, thanks :-)
- Jalada
Great show!
- Mike Doeff
really interesting stuff. thanks.
- Karoli
Thanks to Bret Taylor, great show. No drama, either!
- Robert Scoble
heheh
- Jay Cuthrell
Thank you all! Great show!
- Harry Wolff
great show!
- Adnan
hahah :)
- Susan Beebe
I'd love to see more GG's like that. That was a great show.
- Jesse Stay
Robert, you should have blurted out "You Lie!". Add some controversy :)
- Mike Doeff
Great show guys, thanks
- Ivan Kirigin
Best one in a long while - really good stuff
- Susan Beebe
Jesse: I'd like see more but I value the mix over the homogeneous
- Jay Cuthrell
The mix of what will it be is why I show up
- Jay Cuthrell
excellent show - enjoyed the pace and the questions
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Bravos! Wonderful show. Thank you.
- Dave Martin
I agree Susan. I hope that Steve has more geeks on and fewer arguers in the future.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - well said! no drama queens - geeks only! :)
- Susan Beebe
Kevin, Robert, Bret & Canter - thanks for a great show. Thank you all for showing up
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina - thanks for the Canter photo -- best LOL of the day :)
- Jay Cuthrell
Maybe next time. I hope it went well.
- Michael Fidler
Unofficial MP3 of this show: http://www.archive.org/downloa...
- Jack
Does anyone have audio/video of the newsgang live from earlier this week?
- Michael Breslin
Michael: There's a repository of bootlegs at http://www.archive.org/downloa...
- Ken Sheppardson
Another link for a bootleg of today's show: http://friendfeed.com/jackx1...
- Mike Doeff
Yeah I know about that, unless I'm mistaken it doesn't have the newsgang live from tue 09/08
- Michael Breslin
I've only been recording episodes of the Gillmor Gang so unless someone else has recorded NewGang you will have to wait until Steve puts it on YouTube
- Jack
Mike: That link is to the same file as in the bootleg feed
- Jack
Ken: All those files are linked to in a shiny feedburner interface here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/bootleg... Plus its a handy RSS feed
- Jack
Ideas Project - Adina Levin - http://www.ideasproject.com/idea_pe...
Strategic marketing and product planning innovator Adina Levin says businesses will increasingly turn to social media tools to share ideas and communicate developments to colleagues and clients. Transactions, she says, can be facilitated and enhanced by knowledge of key innovations that customers can learn about in real time.
- Ross Mayfield
Hacking the AppleTV: Get Your Boxee On - http://www.appletvjunkie.com/2009...
looks simple enough
- Ross Mayfield
Live Football Streaming & TV Schedules - http://www.livesoccertv.com/schedul...
football as in soccer, great resource
- Ross Mayfield
A Collection of Social Network Stats for 2009 - http://www.web-strategist.com/blog...
Web Strategy by Jeremiah Owyang | Social Media, Web Marketing
- Ross Mayfield
LIVEdigitally Blog Archive Signs You Live in the Silicon Valley Echochamber - http://www.livedigitally.com/2009...
I've been laughing about this for two days
- Ross Mayfield
Social CRM: Shifting power and rapid burn | IT Project Failures | ZDNet.com - http://blogs.zdnet.com/project...
As United and Amazon can attest, risk of failure is present in the brave new social world. However, empowered social groups do not need permission to congregate and act, leaving little choice for organizations regarding participation in this world.
- Ross Mayfield
Business Social Networking: Public and Private - http://www.cmswire.com/cms...
There is a Place for Both
- Ross Mayfield
Jeff Jonas: Your Movements Speak for Themselves: - http://jeffjonas.typepad.com/jeff_jo...
Ramana Rao liked this
Space-Time Travel Data is Analytic Super-Food!
- Ross Mayfield
The cultural implications of E2.0 integrations: - http://kweiss.wordpress.com/2009...
ignore at your own peril Emergent Trends in Organization Change
- Ross Mayfield
The powerful and mysterious brain circuitry that makes us love Google, Twitter, and texting. - By Emily Yoffe - Slate Magazine - http://www.slate.com/default...
Jack (a.k.a. Jeber) liked this
Actually all our electronic communication devices—e-mail, Facebook feeds, texts, Twitter—are feeding the same drive as our searches. Since we're restless, easily bored creatures, our gadgets give us in abundance qualities the seeking/wanting system finds particularly exciting. Novelty is one. Panksepp says the dopamine system is activated by finding something unexpected or by the anticipation of something new. If the rewards come unpredictably—as e-mail, texts, updates do—we get even more carried away. No wonder we call it a "CrackBerry."
- Ross Mayfield
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