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Brian Solis at Bub.blicio.us: Introducing the FriendFeed Team - http://bub.blicio.us/1111126...
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HealingBrush, Tudor Bosman, Lysender and 149 other people liked this
Brian, as always, takes great pictures, even with questionable subjects. The pictures are from tonight's open house.
- Louis Gray
from Bookmarklet
Great pic Louis and tell them I love them all, best product on the web right now
- Thomas Power
Great photo!
- Bret Taylor
Left to right, as if you didn't know already: Dan Hsiao, Casey Muller, Ana Yang, Jim Norris, Tudor Bosman, Bret Taylor, Paul Buchheit (with Camilla), Sanjeev Singh, Kevin Fox.
- Tudor Bosman
yes; awesome photo!
- Tudor Bosman
(Not pictured: Ben Golub, Gary Burd and Ross Miller)
- Louis Gray
Some of our Turkish friends are also there http://ff.im/3mt6T.. Thanks for the pictures
- Murat Buyurgan
Great Photo :)
- Nimaa
You didn't tell me there was a FriendFeed party this week or I would have come out :-)
- Jesse Stay
Tudor SMASH!
- dario
Jesse: I haven't been able to make a friendfeed party for a while. We need a calendar! Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
اینا هم حلقه دارن. رونوشت به مازیار و مهران اینا
- Aly
Rock on, Kevin!
- Josh Haley
Great PPs!!加油，Friendfeed！:)))
- K.D.
That's why I love today's web : you can talk with the people that build the next web, and see those who build your current web. Congrats guys!
- Zackatoustra
FriendFeed Team, I love you !!!! Thanks to you all, I'm very happy everyday!!!
- Renchin(Reina)
So that was the TGIFF ("Thank Goodness It's FriendFeed") party? Perhaps slightly off-topic, but if Camiila hasn't been betrothed yet, have I got a grandson for her ;-))
- ianf ⌘
TGIFF was excellent. Great event and great people.Thanks for the invite and hospitality.
- AJ Kohn
Louis, thank you and thank you to the FriendFeed team for making a killer product and hosting a great open house!
- Brian Solis
I think I spotted Hutch (http://friendfeed.com/bhc3) in an uncaptioned photo wearing a white "San Francisco Classic" shirt: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Yes, Daniel. That is Hutch.
- Louis Gray
Fun party, great food, great hospitality.
- Anne Bouey
Anne - great finally meeting you yesterday.
- Hutch Carpenter
great photo, good to see the whole team together!
- Jeroen De Miranda
oooh i am totally wishing i was there! Robert is right, we need a calendar! :)
- Susan Beebe
Hutch: Thanks. I enjoyed chatting with you, too.
- Anne Bouey
what's with the guitar? lol
- Stuart Evans
(bump) Ana and Casey are now married. Here's a pic of them on the left, between Ross and Jim. Congratulations to Ana and Casey! (per http://friendfeed.com/jessica...)
- Louis Gray
علی حجوانی تو روحت، ای واسه چه موقعیه؟ :)))
- Mehran
:))))))))) مال بعد از عیده. اواخر فروردین فک کنم
- Aly
:)))
- Mehran
Services Need to Stop With the Twitter Kool-Aid - http://staynalive.com/article...
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JoJo, AJ Kohn, Mike Fruchter and 6 other people liked this
OH YEAH!
- Louis Gray
Excellent suggestion. I think you can send it to RackSpace via email to twitter@rackspace.com.
- Ed Millard
Ed, they track this stuff (and Robert Scoble, and employee, reads my blog - note this was nothing personal against him, nor Rackspace). I'm sure they'll see it one way or another. If not my frustrations are successfully vented. :-)
- Jesse Stay
That said, since switching to Twitter from Google Reader I've noticed Robert has missed a few things lately ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Sorry that was my weak attempt at humor because their support email is TWITTER.
- Ed Millard
Ed, OH, yeah, that *is* funny - I totally didn't realize that! LOL
- Jesse Stay
Ed, that was so good I just added it as an update on the post
- Jesse Stay
I answered it on the post. I didn't miss this, I was sleeping. Thanks for playing! Jesse missed that all of our customers can call us 24 hours a day. We also have a variety of other methods for them to find out what's going on. Email isn't a good solution. At least 30% of emails would never get there because they would be filtered out as spam.
- Robert Scoble
from Moopz
Robert, then let us choose. I like to get my notifications by e-mail on problems like this. I didn't even get notice that there was a planned maintenance. From the response I've seen on this I'm not the only one that would have liked an e-mail notification for something like this. I bet even fewer of your customers are having your Twitter account or blog pushed to them. E-mail is still the most widely used push notifications platform. That's a fact.
- Jesse Stay
I think I just had a Geekgasm - did Facebook just bring back the Live Feed??? (breathe, Jesse, breathe)
Susan Beebe, Alfredo, Johannan Edelman and 22 other people liked this
Is it Friendfeed esque?
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
More info: http://developers.facebook.com/news...
- Otto
It is FriendFeed esque.
- Mitch
Yes, and once you select it it stays that way - awesome!
- Jesse Stay
It's such a beautiful butterfly!
- Jesse Stay
No, I don't think it's FriendFeed like at all. The live feed is the same as what they had already. They introduced the new "News Feed", which is what's different. The new "News Feed" is basically everything from the live feed that people are actively talking about. The only FF-like thing about it is the auto-introduction of new stuff without refreshing.
- Otto
It's not refreshing real time for me, I have to refresh and then I see new posts. Maybe they're still working on some issues?
- Jorge Escobar
Otto, Jorge, maybe you're right. Previously, "Live Feed" was FriendFeed-esque. They had a FriendFeed-like feed at one point.
- Jesse Stay
Yes, I noticed that LIVE FEED is on, I love it I must say.
- Owen Greaves
I think their "real-time" is more like the search.twitter.com real-time, i.e. it'll tell you you have 'x new posts' --- FriendFeed continues to reign in this space
- Jorge Escobar
Actually, it is auto-refreshing. Jorge, no, it's not the "x new posts" thing it had before. If you're not seeing it yet it hasn't rolled out to you yet.
- Jesse Stay
You'll see the "View Live Feed" link above if you have it
- Jesse Stay
Ya, it is scrolling just like FriendFeed
- Owen Greaves
That is a step in the direction I want to see, the real-time services
- Owen Greaves
I'm finding the new News Feed is more interesting. Basically, it's just the content that is being liked/discussed. Easier to find conversations, but I'm not sure it's a good thing that it seems to be the default view...
- Otto
It says "View Live Feed" -- except it's not live.
- Jorge Escobar
Jorge, click the "View Live Feed" link
- Jesse Stay
Click on View Live Feed and then it will
- Owen Greaves
yup, clicking it. Nothing. Go back to News Feed and I see an icon that I have 3 new ones on the live feed. Argh!
- Jorge Escobar
from IM
Sweet!!!!!
- Owen Greaves
I was just saying on Twitter FriendFeed technology being used on Facebook. Facebook is going to go more and more real time.
- Rob Cairns
Live feed cool
- Chris Penner
What about comments? Do you see those popping up as well?
- Jorge Escobar
from IM
Comments are real-time, but don't send it back up to the top - I wish it did. It's just a bit buggy, too.
- Jesse Stay
It will come, they are at least headed in the right direction. Look out.
- Chris Penner
Jesse yes a bit buggy but a step in the right direction
- Rob Cairns
Ah! See, I just a had a refresh with Mark Krinsky and then it went dead. I had to refresh to see Jesse's post on "Looks like Friend Suggestions are real-time as well"
- Jorge Escobar
from IM
Now if only there were place to find the items I've 'liked'....
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
But I like this implementation where people choose the information overload or the digested version
- Jorge Escobar
from IM
Jorge, yeah - it's still a little buggy
- Jesse Stay
I'm finding FriendFeed Buggy today, sometimes my comments load and sometimes they don't!!!
- Owen Greaves
is there a way to hide certain types of events on the live feed yet, like friendings and group joining (ie "X has become a fan of Y"? It clutters things up. I thought the prior implementation of it balanced this well, but at present it's either all, or a dated digest...
- Bill Kinney
I wish there were a way to view all the game app updates only, and another view that had everything *but* all the game app updates.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
Tony, you may be able to do something with the filters on the left - not sure if you can filter by app type though (I doubt it)
- Jesse Stay
Unfortunately you can't, the lists you create yourself are sortable only by people, not by app.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
Tony, you can sort by specific app updates though
- Jesse Stay
True, though not really the same thing as what I'm thinking of. Maybe one day.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
What I mean is, If you've become a fan of say "Mafia Wars", you can add updates that come from the makers of that app to a list yes. But that won't include updates that your friends have made using that app. Requesting assistance with missions and what not.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
Facebook's Live Feed is auto-refreshing just fine for me. I'm using Safari for Windows. BTW, I hide all those annoying games. ;)
- Dennis Jernberg
I love FriendFeed but the fact that Bing and Google are making deals with Twitter and FriendFeed is yet another nail in why news makers will NOT support FriendFeed no matter how much we evangelize it. This is why if I were Paul Buchheit I'd spend every waking moment getting FriendFeed's feature set into Facebook as soon as possible.
Andres Montano, Burak Budak, Cliff Gerrish and 27 other people liked this
A question: Does FriendFeed have to compete anymore? Is there any shame in coming 3rd or 4th? I know people who shoot with Fuji and Sony cameras, not because they are the best, but because they like it and it works for them.
- Johnny Worthington
But Robert - news makers have never supported Friendfeed--
- TechFuga
Good point. They don't bother since Fb owns Friendfeed. Remember, FF indirectly already has a deal with Bing becuase Fb has a deal with Bing. And FF is now indirectly owned by micrososft ( thier 15% stake in Fb, remember). I wouldn't worry so much.
- Roberto Bonini
FriendFeed won't win... but there is no reason it should not even run the race.
- Johnny Worthington
TechFuga: not true. I supported FriendFeed and I'm noticing a ton of action over on Twitter that, well, simply isn't happening here. http://twitter.com/scoblei... is just a taste.
- Robert Scoble
Roberto, I was going to make that point also. FF is no longer an independent site battling for market share. They are a technology proving ground for FB with a vibrant community. ;)
- Travis Koger
I finally removed the FriendFeed desktop notifier from my computer. It no longer updates in real time. It's a shame because it used to send me a notification within seconds of someone publishing on twitter or friendfeed - something that the desktop twitter clients couldn't even do because of Twitter API.
- joebrooks
Johnny: the problem is that FriendFeed is going to be just a niche player. It's certainly not the dream community I once dreamed of. Not saying it won't be fun, but already the home page isn't the kind of things I care about.
- Robert Scoble
And, Johnny, that realization is quite different than how I approached FriendFeed five months ago where I was demoing it to tech audiences around the world.
- Robert Scoble
Do you not think friendfeed still wins for easy conversations though? You still couldn't have done this on twitter. I hate trying to talk to people on Twitter.
- Simon Wicks
We are totally going to be niche... and I'm comfortable with that now. The coming issue which not many people talk about is the fact that all my social groups don't mix. I have 2 or 3 sets of friends, with different social norms and contexts. I like being in a few different places. Lumping them all on one service, and feeding them the different slices, is just to much trouble to manage for me.
- Johnny Worthington
Err, Robert. You just said "I once dreamed of". Sure everyone wanted FF to succeed, but not everyone saw it becoming the next facebook, myspace or twitter (or even google). Where FF is now does not detract from its awesomeness, does not give us an excuse to ignore it and it continues to be, for many of us, the social platform of the future. Your dreams arn't everyone elses' dreams.
- Roberto Bonini
Just a quick look at some of my lists and I notice that twitter in generally is about 6 minutes late, and sometimes are published out of order. Is that just my computer, or the same for everyone else? Being 6 minutes late to the conversation is not helpful.
- joebrooks
No, but I saw it as being more important than it is today, which if you are truthful, is not all that important. And, sorry, it's not the social platform of the future. It might be the best feature set of today, but remember Pownce? It had more features than Twitter and was a niche player like FriendFeed is. What happened to it?
- Robert Scoble
@Johnny, what if something like FB allowed you to categorize all your contacts into social groups... not just grouping them as you can now, but properly categorizing them and then determining which parts of your news feed is available to which category etc. I see the problem with FB contacts is that it is mostly the people you are really close to, which also dictates the type of...
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- Travis Koger
I don't think you're wrong... Owing to the overall decline in numbers and use, what you have been doing (and are doing now) is, in effect preaching to the choir. What I don't understand is why your so intent on telling them they are all going to hell.
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
J. Abdul: it's part of my own grieving process. It's also just my personality. I invested a LOT of my career into FriendFeed and now I realize that it just isn't going to be what I was thinking it would be.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert I appreciate that, and like a lot of other people I was right there with you... But at this point you are rubbing salt in the wound.
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
Robert, I would say you invested your time into the idea of what FriendFeed could be, and that gave the idea a far amount of weight. When people look back at history and speak of the move to a real time web, your name will feature amongst the players.
- Johnny Worthington
And for what its worth you and your brother are the reason I, and a lot of other people are here, so, some of this (this turn the whole thing is taking) is hard to watch.
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
Wrong choce of words there Robert. I meant, "platform" as in something you build on. This is a feature set to build upon in future social networks.
- Roberto Bonini
@Robert is FF becoming another Second Life: still alive but only for a few aficionados? FF is the tail of a long tail? :)
- Roldano
@Robert I feel your pain Robert - how many of us in the industry have had that feeling about some technology or company we actually worked for years on. But who knows what Fb will do with FF yet - none of us can see the future in technology. Something game changing comes along and bang, an existin technoloy becomes useful aain
- Arthur Coleman
Simon: for now, yes, it does win at conversations. That's one thing I will keep using it for. But that's like a sub feature of these things and it's only a matter of time before Twitter does comments. Facebook already has comments that work pretty well (albeit not as well as FriendFeed).
- Robert Scoble
@Robert All that being said, I don't blame you one bit for needing to get it out of your system. Its just hard to watch.
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
J. Abdul-Qahhar: yeah, but part of my brand is to tell the truth and not necessarily what you want to hear. I got a TON of shit from people on Twitter telling me to shut up about FriendFeed already. My brand is about what's next, not what is, and, I also live in public. Which means I'm a butthead sometimes and that's also part of my brand. :-)
- Robert Scoble
BTW. Robert, thanks. You made me write that letter :)
- Johnny Worthington
Roldano: if FriendFeed turns into Second Life (which is doing quite well, albeit without the hype) that would be very cool and probably the best possible outcome at this moment.
- Robert Scoble
Johnny: that's why I keep telling you the way I see it. It might not be comfortable, but telling the truth ALWAYS builds stronger communities. Your letter demonstrates why.
- Robert Scoble
IF bret and paul are to be belived, FF is not being orphaned by Facebook. There are new servers in the works, some work has been done to the code etc. i doubt money would be spend on new servers if FF was being left to die. I'm sticking around till we see what paul was hinting at.
- Roberto Bonini
Roberto, saying new servers in FB world is just moving the FF code to a FB server. I don't think any money has been spent, just space/cpu provisioned on an already massive farm.
- Travis Koger
Still - its an investment in FF's continued life. And i doubt they would do that, much less tell us about it, unless they were comitted to FF.
- Roberto Bonini
FriendFeed can't die! Things are so easy to put into FF (Bookmarklet) that newsmakers don't have to make a huge effort to "support" it.
- Nathan Snyder
Roberto: Travis is correct. New servers are just Paul's way of saying that everything is moving over to Facebook's datacenter. I'm sure they got some new toys, though, and that will help speed a little bit (FriendFeed is a LOT slower lately than it was a year ago) but my friends at Facebook say that not much, if any, engineering time is being dedicated to FriendFeed specifically. But I've said enough about that part and can't wait to see what Paul shows me soon.
- Robert Scoble
would be good to organize persuasive reasons for FB to nurture development of FriendFeed in the pure form we enjoy today. Thinking there may be some $$ value just in terms of PR - both internal and external. What else beyond that? What might motivate Facebook to actively support more open-source development of the FriendFeed platform? Could it make good return on that investment as a monstrously successful good vibe buzz machine - "the next Mozilla project"?
- Dan Freeman
Dan: open source community projects haven't seemed to go very far. Look at identi.ca.
- Robert Scoble
true more often than not - some do - but no need get sidetracked debating open-source! The Big Question to brainstorm is: what pitch can Paul polish to persuade FB to sincerely support continued growth of standalsone "pure" FF project
- Dan Freeman
Dan: the deeper problem for Paul is, where can he make the biggest impact on the world? Working on FriendFeed or working on Facebook? If I were him I would be 100% working on Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
FF can compete if news orgs can realize the benefits. Best way to do that is to see a competitor utilizing FF tools, gaining traffic, or doing something that makes others say "I want that."
- TheIndustryStandard
Another question for Paul: how can FF community help (even with the small but significant detail work - and bouncing spammers) ... what else?
- Dan Freeman
Robert, I agree, I can see a time when Facebook will be the equivalent of the telephone directory (white pages etc). Facebook is definitely where a difference can be made, especially with Paul's openness agenda.
- Travis Koger
"I would be 100% working on Facebook" - agree 100% - and Paul definitely has his work cut out for him there. Huge.
- Dan Freeman
Why is FaceBook so hard to like, it's laborious, filled with the wrong applications (Games like FARM, Friggin MAFIA) and is not simple in ease of use terms. I use it but find I spend too much time trying to figure where things are than actually get something done. I must have a learning disability I guess.
- Owen Greaves
LOL @Tony
- Roberto Bonini
Yeah, college students. (p.s. I am one (a college student, not FB dev))
- Kevin L
I don't mind the 'design' of Facebook, it is relatively clean, however the UX is where it is let down.
- Travis Koger
IMO, fb needs to integrate ff feature set and provide much more fine grained control over privacy. I want to be able to have public, less public and private information. I want to be able to control who gets what information. For instance, if I share a funny link it's fine for anyone to get it including google/bing, but if I'm sharing my location info I might only want my family to be able to see that.
- John
News makers using twitter kills the news makers. I don't think friendfeed was ever about Newsmakers looking for a platform.
- Cjay
Cjay: every single newsmaker I know came here looking for it to be a new platform that would take Twitter on. RWW even used it to plan out their editorial in a private group here. When I choose a new platform I'm definitely looking to use it as a platform for newsmakers to discuss things. I saw FriendFeed as being a new kind of talk radio. Actually, what has captured everyone's interest...
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- Robert Scoble
The news makers platform is pure RSS. Twitter and friendfeed feels like the old belt clip pager from the 80's, a quick message here and there, but no way in hell that your going to convey any detail about any news using a platform like friendfeed or twitter.
- Cjay
RSS channels are the "WAVE" of the future. Everybody has a channel, Google wave is a small ripple in a big pond..Google should have never told anybody about it until it was finished. Companies have been using this idea anyway on internal Lan/vpn for years... and all of a sudden Google comes out with wave, like its some holy grail. Change Facebook to Friendbook and call it done.
- Cjay
but I digress......
- Cjay
Spot on Robert
- Ryan Petty
I'll point out that today, FF features are in FB. The news stream is live (if you want it) I want the Status stream live, since I don't want apps in my stream and have made the status stream my default. FB is too cluttered, and the ads are pointless and annoying. I find FF far superior in terms of design, as I do Twitter, but I understand that ads are required for most websites to survive. I just wish that they would be nicer and less obtrusive (and that Friends would stop sending me Mafia Wars Requests)
- Nathan Snyder
New Yelp iPhone app is also out. There's a cool easter egg (Augmented Reality feature). Here's how to do it:
Kenn Ejima, Denise Howell, Doug Schumacher and 95 other people liked this
Download the new Yelp app (came out yesterday). So you shake your iPhone 3 times. That activates a feature called Monocle. A message should come up if you activated it. A blue box will come up saying "the Monocle has been activated." It will create a button in the top right corner. Now you should be able to look at the bars, restaurants, etc. Only works on iPhone 3GS.
- Robert Scoble
waiting Robert.... :)
- Sampad Swain
You point it at businesses, or down the city block. I'll try it right now.
- Robert Scoble
Yep! Works. Took a few tries to get it to activate. Some of the places it shows me have been closed for ages though, guess I need to update Yelp for the area.
- Otto
That sounds so cool. Would love to see a video demo of it Robert!
- Alex Calic
I wonder why it's an easter egg. That sounds great.
- Daniel Ha
I just did it. Very cool. I hear this feature was added for me. I really love it!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Daniel: probably to get it through the iPhone store approval process faster.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Raises the question of whether they would have rejected it if they'd known about it. Or did Yelp tell the reviewers about it?
- Jan Dawson
Very, very cool! Just tried it out. There's not a lot on Yelp near by work (kind of an industrial area), but I did get it to find the nearest restaurant. So cool! :-)
- Josh Bancroft
awesome!
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
as long as Yelp allows iPhone users to rate on the fly.. previously had to sync first (not smart)
- Sam Levin
can anyone grab me a screenshot of this? i want to write about it
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
I do love beating TechCrunch with news! :-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Yes, Mr. Scoble, you beat RWW, TechCrunch, AND Mashable! Damn.
- Ben Parr
I can't get it to work... :(
- Larry Roth
We need a Yelp for Federal, State and Local government services.
- Chris Stevenson
Too bad nobody will ever see it 'cause you mentioned it here and not on your blog ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
I just posted a photo on my friendfeed account.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Installing
- Stephen Pickering
The instructions sound like World of Warcraft.
- Steve Rubel
You android lovers will see that 'Layer' reality browser does the same as Monocle
- Wayne Bentz
Yelp also just launched their Palm Pre app in the Palm app store. No augmented reality that I can find :-(
- Ken Sheppardson
Yelp doesn't seem to have much support for Canadian business according to some reviews
- Alex Knight
Marshall, I just blogged a screenshot. Will be on www.tinyscreenfuls.com as soon as Posterous gets it there.
- Josh Bancroft
Stupid 3GS. You guys think you're so cool. Easter eggs, harumph! *mumble grumble*
- Sarah Lane
Yay it works in Canada too!
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
Nice idea but in my case the locations seem to be about 180 degrees off - i.e. showing behind me instead of in front - but may be down to a fuzzy GPS location or something - will have to keep trying
- Jan Dawson
I wonder why it was "secret", ... undocumented API usage or just to create marketing buzz ?
- Kooleido
Kooleido: I hear it was added at last minute.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Damn, nothings happening. I've shaked it :(
- Stephen Pickering
No iPhone 3G love because no compass? Phooey. :P
- Cheryl Jones
Installed It! Works Awesome! Would definitely use it on my next lunch hunt in Downtown
- Kooleido
Got it to work--just took a little more shaking...was worried I was going to put my phone through the ceiling!
- Larry Roth
Kooleido, how'd you get it to work. I've installed and shaken, but nothings happening
- Stephen Pickering
Oh--and very cool
- Larry Roth
Stephen shake in long and hard strokes.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I hate that the iPhone 3G can handle all this new stuff, but Apple insists that you need the 3Gs. Qik on the jailbroken 3G has been awesome!
- Elijah Nicolas
@Elijah Nicolas The 3Gs is for the built in compass that is required for augmented reality to work.
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
lol if it was added for you Robert it would show the cutest girls in the area instead
- Sherry Reynolds
Didn't I hear that Apple had an embargo on AR apps til next month?
- Brian O'Connell
Very cool, thanks for the info. It appears you have to be logged into Yelp though the app before the monocle option will appear.
- Patrick Looney
just posted about it http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive... good job finding it first Robert!
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
1st sentence typo in your post Marshall ;o)
- Alex Calic
Couldn't get it to work by "shaking it" but I got it to work by moving my iPhone up and down 3 times in a vertical motion. Pretty damn cool.
- Doug Rice
Marshall, how do you get that camera view? I can't seem to get mine to work. I've shaken and shaken
- Stephen Pickering
Well, thats slightly cool.
- Sean Oliver
Stephen, you should probably just keep shaking. In publish, with lots of people around. :) No, I don't know. I don't have a 3Gs so I don't have a compass so I don't have the Yelp AR.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Holy crap. It really works.
- David Sharpe
Unreal... landscape and portrait works.
- Drew Lucas
Yeah this is very cool. Don't know if I want to be the guy standing in the middle of the street downtown using it, but I can see some very practical applications.
- Trevor Childs
Check out our Yelp AR layer inside of Layar Reality Browser ... Android. http://www.GoWeb3D.com
- Dave Elchoness
Scoble, I just published on Mashable: http://mashable.com/2009...
- Ben Parr
Doh! mashable wins with the most link-baity headline again.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Putting up a video on Gear Live.
- Andru Edwards
we have video too :P
- Jennifer Van Grove
@Marshall - We still love you guys, your article's great. :D; @Robert, props. Total props.
- Ben Parr
@Robert thanks it's fun http://bsu.gr/4414782
- briansugar
I made a screenshot here: http://www.flickr.com/photos... It takes a few tries to turn on the option though!
- Daynah
posted about this on Obsessable and my blog. We'll see if Techmeme grabs it and actually puts this FriendFeed thread first, or if they just ignore it until TechCrunch covers it lolz http://www.obsessable.com/news... & http://www.sampletheweb.com/2009...
- C. K. Sample III
ah Marshall got it up first on a notable blog... http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
- C. K. Sample III
I got it to work and man, is it sweet! So smart.
- Leslie Fishlock
Shake the darn thing 3 times :)- they say that break dancin was learnt , robbing hubcaps of a movin car in NYC.. so lets so what the new thing will be by the time th iphone has all the motion sickness activiated apps !!
- Peter Dawson
just got word of a THIRD app with AR live in iTunes store! http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive... I'd say it's official: AR apps have come to the iPhone!
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
I already had 2.0.2, but I'm downloading 3.0 now. I'm not thinking it's going to work in my office, but we'll see.
- RobinDotNet
Ok, that's really cool. It even works sitting here in my office at home.
- RobinDotNet
Downloading now. I am absolutely fascinated by the idea of augmented reality!
- Victoria Harres Akers
This is pretty cool but the shake 3 times thing doesn't work too well
- Jason Wehmhoener
from iPhone
This is fantastic, just activated Monocle. For those having trouble, its best to move/raise and lower the iPhone 3 times vertically instead of just shaking it. I was shaking mine like a madman until I tried the vertical move.
- Bryan
[Video] Yelp iPhone Augmented Reality Application http://blip.tv/file/2524950
- Steve Garfield
very cool - I can't believe stuff actually shows up near my house on the bay - sweet :)
- Susan Beebe
Damn, guess I'll have to upgrade to the 3GS now.
- Damon Cortesi
I am using the app in Indianapolis to find a restauant. As I guessed the augmented reality is cool but not very useful. Other than to help figure out which direction to walk in.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Argh. I wish I had wifi here so I could download it. A trip to Starbucks might be in order.
- ha3rvey (business time)
killer in nyc
- mike "glemak" dunn
from iPhone
dang it - iPhone 3G...
- Jodi
iPhone 3G... not in the States... meh
- Johnny Worthington
It's innovative and that's awesome, but I think this type of interface will be a passing gimmick until more advanced image processing is built into the mobile device. My thoughts on what does matter about it here - http://bit.ly/12wtcY My $0.02.
- Alex Hawkinson
shake your iPhone 6 times, that activates GoogleVoice
- HansVanRock
Pretty damn cool. Thanks for the heads up
- Jim Goldstein
from iPhone
I just got this going on my friend's 3Gs. I don't even know what to say. That is freaking incredible! Makes me want a 3Gs *just* for that feature!
- Michael Lynton
Just tried this. Awesome! Too bad I'm in a po' dunk town with nothing to do. :)
- Bryan Lee
Amazing, how on earth did you find it! It's still 6:00 am, perhaps I'll Yelp for breakfast
- Nalin Perera
Wow, I'll have to say this is phenomenal. Wish I'd had this on my trip to D.C. a couple weeks ago. Yelp just made an incredibly useful app even more useful. I've seen a lot of developers working on this technology lately but it looks like they beat everyone to the punch.
- Mike Elliott
screen capture of it in action http://twitpic.com/fklr4
- mike "glemak" dunn
very cool....it took me a few times to get the blue box, but then it worked. thanks
- Pam Negoro
I just got the yelp AR to work, and I am staying tonight in a hotel, so I went to my window, and held the camera to the window and it was able to show me reviews of the businesses right across the street from me! I am in love with yelp all over again!
- Colide81 (James)
This youtube video should help you learn how to get it Islandwoo, I think its in how you shake it, I tryed several ways but after I watched this video I did it like the guy in the video and it worked. http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Colide81 (James)
Yeah, you've got to learn to shake it just right! :-)
- Nalin Perera
This afternoon, I get a comment: "horrible looking blog you have here sir." so I click through to the author's Web site and it's here: http://www.artificialweb.net/ (Clearly, they are experts)
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When you can't dispute the science, attack the lab coat...
- Johnny Worthington
he he he...
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Wow. I wish they would design my sites. [/sarcasm]
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
From the same person (I think) on August 6: "Can you consider changing your blog layout? is just ugly and so 2003. btw, why not wordpress or something more hip, instead of a free platform. Geez!! your blog looks is just disgusting for a 2009 social media blog. thank you!"
- Louis Gray
Maybe louisgray.com just needs some animated emoticons... He seems to have that down
- Johnny Worthington
:) :P :( ... they need to lose the emoticons
- anna sauce
Or make it all flash, and get rid of all perma-links or anything that google could spider. That would bring you into the modern times of the intarwebz. :)
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
3 words... Rainbow Farting Unicorns
- Johnny Worthington
Maybe if you ask him nicely, he will design your next blog for you!
- Jim Connolly
"why not wordpress or something more hip, instead of a free platform"? Wordpress charges now? They have leverage the use of "default" very nicely.
- Adam Helweh
The thing that makes me laugh the hardest... we probably just tripled his monthly visitor numbers all because LG dropped the bitch slap :)
- Johnny Worthington
Based on that comment from August 6: He is obviously a social media expert...
- Jemm
He's also an expert on the English language. "Hi! My name is Stalyn, I currently live in NYC, majoring in Human Services. You might be wondering what the hell I’m doing talking about web development since Human Services doesn’t have nothing to do with programming."
- Gilbert Harding
so its true then - beauty is in the eye of the beholder :) who would have guessed!
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
Can someone link to his comment please.
- Jim Connolly
I'm surprised there wasn't a blink tag
- anna sauce
Well, he may not be an expert (and I´m certainly not) but, IMHO, he still has a point about the design being a bit dated, Louis (but so is your nemesis´s early tumblelog-like design).. www.louisgray.com may benefit from a little TLC other than the great content. Just my 2p as long as the topic is up for discussion here. (His name is Stalin?! That explains his social abilities I guess..;)
- Thomas Bøhm
::blinks at the guy's site:: Um. Look, don't look now, dude, but Textism did the minimal look about 1024x better. Oh, and, like, don't quit your day job. A-and, also, sir, not to be blunt, but your social skills are those of a twelve y/o boy who discovered girls right around the time they started hating on his insufferably bad manners. Kthxbuhbye.
- James (!?)
If you don't have any haters, you're not being aggressive enough. (I don't have any haters).
- DGentry
LOLZZzzz though your logo Louis the LG, does need a bit more pizzazzz
- sofarsoShawn
Louis, I refuse to visit your site again until you put an animated GIF of a mailbox with a letter coming out. How in the heck am I suppose to know how to send you e-mail, for crying out loud!? WHERE DO I CLICK>!@
- Akiva Moskovitz
I think white space is important to them :)
- Owen Greaves
Clearly.
- James Kuypers
my advise: ignore assholes - it just wastes your time and energy!
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
Never ignore assholes; leverage them to create FriendFeed posts that gets lots of Likes and comments, which you can then redeem for valuable prizes.
- Glen Campbell, esq.
ZOMG!!!!!111! DO ANYBODY NO WHERE THE ANIMATED GIFS ARE? AND, I WANT MOAR GLITTER!
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
Don't forget the spinning globes, the animated JavaScript starfield background, and the JavaScript glittery crap that follows the cursor. Bonus points if you can add an ugly '90s style hit counter, too. ;)
- Tyson Key
HTML <blink> element. 'Nuff said.
- Tyson Key
!!! oh my!
- Jim in Real Time
ha!
- Shevonne
When I, who loves smileys, am forced to say, "ugh. too many smileys!" you know that's a sad state of affairs.
- pea
For maximum awfulness, just add a scrolling <marquee> full of pink text in Comic Sans MS, and as many animated emoticons as possible. Bonus points if at least 3 copies exist on the page, scrolling in alternate directions, and at least 1 also contains a <blink> element.
- Tyson Key
...and of course, the obligatory "Download BonziBuddy Now!" button. ;)
- Tyson Key
Louis - How about when someone scrapes your content (lock, stock, and barrel ...) manages to make page one of Google (someone please cue Matt Cutts ?? ... ) and then makes it look better?! (Ugh!) http://www.eblogzone.net/seo-tec....
- Charlie Anzman
It needs a .biz or .info domain name, to completely drain it of any credibility, too.
- Tyson Key
I didn't know .biz or .info necessarily made a site skeezy. Not everyone could make the .com domain name land rush.
- Spidra Webster
Bujajajaj i gave up on that blog.
- Stalyn☂
a long time ago. plus it was a test site. yet your blog looks horrible for a social media blog in 2009.
- Stalyn☂
Good point, Spidra, although given by how many content scraping sites and scammers/spammers utilise those TLDs, I usually tend to avoid sites using them.
- Tyson Key
Having read through all of these comments, the most intriguing are those from Thomas Bøhm and sofarsoShawn. Now I admittedly have no sense of style whatsoever, so I'm curious - if you were going to redesign Louis' blog, and his logo, what would you recommend?
- John E. Bredehoft
Louis's blog looks "functional" to me, for what it's worth. Of course, I tend to care more about content and community, than the chrome surrounding it.
- Tyson Key
Tyson Key not really, that thing is just ugly.
- Stalyn☂
Odd - the site's empty now, and the "folllow me on twitter" is also 404 http://twitter.com/0stalyn
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
Oh it's you, "Stalyn". You certainly lack class. What are you attempting here? New friends? A "reputation"? A joke?
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
BTW, "Stalyn," throwing around insults from behind a curtain of anonymity is WAY worse than a poorly designed "social media site." It implies you have no idea what "social media" is about.
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
I don't mind Stalyn's comments. Seeing him here is interesting as well. I recognize my blog is not fancy. It was customized quite a bit from the standard Blogger template, but I paid zip for that. I believe most of the access I get is through vanilla RSS. If I want to revamp the site at any point, we'll see what happens.
- Louis Gray
Criticism, as we are all adults, should be welcomed, as long as it is constructive. Saying something is "ugly" or, for that matter, "pretty" is not helpful and therefore irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. Had the person bothered to take the time to provide an opinion that left the door open to discussion then, perhaps, it'd be worth the time to discuss it. As much as I espouse letting...
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- pea
Wondering what Stalyn's background is to have credibility to even criticize (if you call that criticism).
- Jesse Stay
Hah! Clearly it's worked for them. How else could they get any traffic?
- BLOGBloke
...something about: it takes one to know one... and those guys apparently know all about ugly Web sites! .LOLz!
- .LAG liked that
@John E. Bredehoft: Again, I´m nowhere near an expert on web design and I bet Louis has access to far more professional advice and won´t put much value into this anyway, but since you ask I would at least lose most of the dotted lines and the windows xp style bullets everywhere, which are all just unnecessary noise (and adds to the "datedness"). Perhaps even the rounded corners (as they...
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- Thomas Bøhm
Interesting perspective, Thomas. I hadn't even noticed the dotted lines (they're fairly subtle). I definitely like the colors (although that's a personal preference, possibly) - seems very readable to me. Louis' site definitely looks better than the barely-modified Blogger template that I use on my blogs. If Stalyn were to look at my sites, his frownies and blinks would be on overload...
- John E. Bredehoft
You have every right to be as good-natured and forgiving as you are, Louis. I, however.... :) ... like to sanity-check whether those in the kitchen can stand the heat.
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
@ Blog Bloke: I don't need no traffic genius, is just a testing site, i already stated that. @ Louis is nothing personal at all.
- Stalyn☂
@ Richard Walker, your post is irrelevant because there is no heat where I'm cooking from. Anyways, i don't need no hits or to promote anything from this, not even my twitter. I was just saying what was on my mind. I personally think Louis is capable of having a better looking blog at this point.
- Stalyn☂
How Can We Be Creative if We’re Drowning in Data? - http://siliconangle.com/ver2...
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"As much as I love the field of data analytics, I fear that we’re in the middle of data overload and that might actually paralyze us instead of helping us be more creative." - I don't think it will paralyze us, but it can very well distract us to a large extend.
- Meryn Stol
Better tools, like visual analytics that don't require a PhD to use, would help a lot.
- Kevin Pedraja
I think it all depends upon one's attitude toward the data. If it's data for data's sake, then that can squelch thinking, for sure. But if you really do use it to see new patterns and find new insights, and then you step away to *do* stuff, that's fine. Good, even.
- Kathy Fitch
...filters, for everything!
- .LAG liked that
Just remember, make sure you've got an actual hypothesis before you go around collecting data.
- Victor Ganata
Hmm.. I thought this was maybe gonna be an actual, y'know, creative person talking about dealing with the problem of a constant data stream.. but no, it's another 'interactive marketer' discussing what works for him..
- Andy Connell
Andy, the creative types are probably off looking at the moon, dancing, reading or writing a poem, dreaming up a new project, pondering, arguing, making things. The best way to be creative in the face of data overload is to offload some of it, seems like--just step away and be free.
- Kathy Fitch
Start small, pick of the chunks you can deal with. Build over time. Dont forget the golden rule.. keep it simple ;)
- Riaz Kanani
Splash in the data river, but don't soak in it.
- Trent Hamm
Perfectly put, Trent! Splash, don't soak--and definitely don't drown!
- Kathy Fitch
Data does not equal insight. As every online interaction continues to generate more and more quantitative data, the importance of properly executed qualitative research becomes more and more crucial. Change always occurs at the margin.
- Tom Webster
We definitely need to set aside time for creative activities, and also, just quiet, contemplative time. I coach businesses, nonprofits, work teams and individuals in making their lives and work environments more creative, to solve business problems and promote innovation as well as having a more balanced life. I definitely have to step away from the data stream and social media part of...
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- Cathryn Hrudicka
Sounds like you're a good coach, Cathryn. It's sad that folks have to be helped so much to live full and satisfying lives, but we all do lose focus, now and then.
- Kathy Fitch
Best. Comment. Ever. - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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"AT&T: You want answers? TechCrunch: We think we’re entitled to them. AT&T: You want answers?! TechCrunch: We want Google Voice on our iPhones. AT&T: You can’t handle the iPhone with Google Voice!"
- Christopher Sacca
from Bookmarklet
This is literally the first time I've used FF
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no way!!!!
- sean andersen
Real Time!
- Stephen Pickering
What took you so long?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
That's just wrong.
- Michael McKean
Once you try, its hard to see the web any other way.
- sean andersen
Twitter is so dead!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Best App on the web I think
- Stephen Pickering
Will your ghost writers try it too? ;-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Zing!
- Michael McKean
Grins..
- BairdWilliamson
LOL. Aloha!
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
Which browser do you normally use? :-)
- Todd Hoff
It's about frickin' time, Guy! You're the guy who handed Steve Balmer a Macbook Air as a symbol of good design and yet you've been using Twitter all this time? Either start using friendfeed or switch to using Dells. You can't have it both ways. :)
- Alex Scoble
You missed out on the earlier days of FriendFeed, but then it's never too late to start using it.
- imabonehead
I don't think Guy understands he can write comments to his posts, instead of new posts to conversate
- Stephen Pickering
Welcome, we arent experts here but we manage to muddle through some how
- Robert Higgins
Alex: Can I get a Dell through you?
- Guy Kawasaki
Welcome!
- Jason Huebel
If you need help, just ask. I'm a Social Media Expert!
- Glen Campbell, esq.
Guy you just can't resist that Windows 7 can you :-)
- Stephen Pickering
LOL, Guy, I've helped many a person get a Dell. :)
- Alex Scoble
Oh and welcome...and now I'm going to faint...Guy Kawasaki commented on my comment on friendfeed.
- Alex Scoble
I'm a social media expert, too. Like Glen. Honest.
- Brett Kelly
from iPhone
It's just the heat Alex :-)
- Todd Hoff
Alex, YFTE: you faint too easily
- Guy Kawasaki
Ah now he's gettin the hang of it ;)
- BairdWilliamson
Guy, it must be the heat. ;)
- Alex Scoble
Hi Guy welcome :-))
- Johni Fisher
Howdy
- Rodfather
I have always wondered why a social media guru type like you would be solely on Twitter. FF offers a lot.
- Stu Rich
About time!
- Chris Spizzirri
Welcome. Twitter's for Quitters. Its FriendFeed indeed. Ok, I've embarrassed myself enough now. :)
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Welcome to the world of Mobs
- Michael_techie
brinnnnnng it sugar!!
- sofarsoShawn
Seriously? I thought you would have been lurking over here the whole time!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
As a wise FFer once said, "Welcome to the Wild Wild West"
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
hi guy
- sean percival
nice work... don't know if you really need it?
- Jeffrey T. Sooey
Just had to comment on Guy's first FriendFeed-originated post. I'm so excited! (yet not as excited as Alex it would seem)
- Jesse Stay
Welcome, sir.
- Louis Gray
Hello and welcome to FF :)
- WorldofHiglet
nice to see you post here.
- tomit
Welcome, indeed
- Brett Kelly
welcome on board. i expect your feedback / analyse in a few weeks :-9
- Laurent65
Welcome, Guy! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Really! I thought you invented it ;)
- Bulent Keles
Friendfeed consolidates most all of the other social networks into one feed and then echos it out to twitter also, for the masses. FF is a well developed web app! The bookmarklet and web widgets work very well.
- Keith Rowland
Enjoy the ride, pun intended!
- Toby Graham
from iPhone
and?
- Patrick Ostertag
u like it?
- Alemsah Ozturk
@ahsan you surely mean Wild Wide Web ;-)
- Yann Leroux
from iPhone
welcome Guy. I hope you use it frequently. It will be nice to see you around here.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
@Yann, that too ;)
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
at last... welcome Guy :)
- Goktug Gedik
well welcome to friendfeed Guy!
- (jeff)isageek
Yes Welcome Guy, it's a good thing!
- Allen Harkleroad
After twitter of course again Guy :) welcome :) waiting for your great comments and sharings :)
- Taylan Demirkaya
How do you like it?
- Randy Allen Bishop
collectors item.. :-)
- John Serra
And that sums up FF"s problem: you can have a presence on it without ever being actually present.
- Ian Betteridge
but being present w/o watching/reading along to see comments makes it kind of a waste
- Susan Reynolds
from twhirl
This is literally the first time I've read a post by Guy Kawasaki made directly on friendfeed.
- Slappy Line
Most excellent, welcome. Literally.
- DGentry
and it's about time.....! :)
- Charlie Anzman
wait, so this whole time the alltop twitterati were chosen by...who?
- David
I really didn't notice much because your twitter feed is included on my FF list - so its like you were already a FF user.
- Chris Jackson
Welcome! Check out ways to sync content here back to Twitter (bookmarks, google reader, etc) but also network in here :-)
- Courtney Engle
from iPhone
Welcome Guy. Hope to see more from you in FF..
- Murat Buyurgan
from iPhone
Welcome. Let's knock of twitter !
- Krishnamoorthy
Welcome to the feeding frenzy! Just wait till you discover Micah's great tools. :-D http://friendfeed.com/ffhacks
- April Russo (app103)
congrats Guy! I think you'll like it :)
- Glenn Hilton
This is """literally""" the first time I commented on your feed. As always, welcome to new users such as yourself. Self + for my improper use of air qoutes.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
from iPod
Welcome.
- Pete Delucchi
from iPhone
as you can see, it is comment oriented. We expect you to read comments and reply.
- denizoktar
Welcome!!! Big hugs for u!!!! <3
- Magdalena Day
Aloha!
- Lisa Duhamel
that's funny.
- DanielthePoet
Glad you have you on FF. Welcome!
- Chris Gardner
Welcome, Guy- make sure to leave the door open behind you, there's a nice breeze!...
- Thom Kennon
Guy has anyone told you you look like Jet Li. Do you do any wushu by any chance ? :P
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
welcome to the dark side. we have conversations here ;)
- BEX
Where have you been? Great service here, hope to see you around more.
- jcunwired
No turning back now. The only question is what took so long?
- Jim Goldstein
from iPhone
WOW! welcome dude!
- Jason Pollock
you are going to love it here! watch out! Its great to have u here!
- Jason Pollock
Welcome, you'll have a lot of work to do setting things up but once you do you will realize it is an awesome tool!
- Brian
Yeah, FF rocks!
- Janice
Welcome Guy! Please introduce yourself. j/k
- AJ Batac
Welcome aboard. Enjoy your new status (AKA: Friendfeeder).
- Nir Ben Yona
Finally :)
- Ozkan Altuner
Guess you passed the 'new adopters' torch. Welcome to the jungle~
- Liza
woohoooo! stick around :)
- Frankie Warren
Guy, at least you don't have someone posting for you like other "celebrities" ;-) Good on you sir!
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
@Guy - welcome! FF is a great place to follow discussions and threads.
- Valeria Maltoni
welcome to FriendFeed Guy!
- MB Linder
Welcome :)
- Fatih Küçükbaltacı
It can be crazy at first but it's more robust than something like Twitter IMO
- David LaMorte
The water's fine, come on in ;)
- Clare Dibble
Welcome Guy...
- Mitchell Tsai
Welcome. Add some more stuff to your feed so we can really get to know you.
- Amani
I beg to differ: http://friendfeed.com/guykawa...
- Edward Zwart
Except Ed, it was via the bookmarklet, not directly into ff like this one...
- Janice
congratulations!
- Steve Borgman
welcome on board :)
- Muge Cerman
welcome to 2009 ;)
- Lee
Welcome aboard! FF rocks!
- dhamza
Dive in, the water is churning!
- LauraLee Dooley
Welcome to the party Mr. Kawasaki.
- David Damore
Bit late in the day aint ya? :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Guy, are you paying someone to write this for you?
- Joe
lmao @ J Deakins. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Better late than never!
- Donna Payne
A marketing master - cool ; )
- Mark Harai
welcome
- Jeremiah Owyang
Come on in, the water is fine!
- Sean Powell
Howdy!
- Jesse P. Luna
Welcome
- Peter Kelley
Welcome Guy
- Jose Luis Santos
I think you'll like it, Guy. Just stay away from that Robert Scoble character and you'll be fine ;)
- dougcoleman
ようこそ、FFへ。コメントしないと！と思いまして、コメントしました。
- Carloe Stamp
Welcome aboard.
- Richard Leiter
from iPhone
Invading FF now are ya? It is obvious everyone is excited about your entrance. Love ya on Twitter!
- Brady
This was so 20 hours ago, I'm no longer excited.
- Geoff Schultz
I only hope this results in something positive. Welcome, etc.
- Evil Librarian
Great More EGO's here
- johnpiercy
Interaction is good! :-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
@Janice oic
- Edward Zwart
It's about time! :P
- Joel Lovato
Meh. ya rookie!
- Robert Kenney
me too.. don't know what i'm doing.
- leslie mills
about damn time
- Brian Appleby
let the addiction begin
- Monique
twitter not enough visuals and too much clicking , i love ff!
- Wsvdesign
Funny thread and yes I read it!
- Myrna
Poor Myrna must be bored everyone pile into her feed and entertain her!
- Geoff Schultz
I'm listening to Howard Dean and Bill Frist discuss Healthcare on Charlie Rose after hearing John Bolton on Jon Stewart destroy my mood about Iran, nuclear and WW3
- Myrna
War is soooooo 20th century. They need to get with it.
- Geoff Schultz
You know there are always laggards.
- Myrna
you'll get addict'd
- Goktug Okan Oguz
Don't worry Guy - you can spam links in here too :) haha, I mean welcome to Friendfeed :)
- Brian Wallace
Welcome!
- Fer Isella
Next you're going to tell us that you switched to Mac last month
- adam garrett
about time...welcome to FF!
- Freddie Benjamin
Welcome here, maybe it takes people like you to bring the finesse of FriendFeed to the world! (can't let @scobleizer do all the work on his own, can you?)
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
now figure a way to have my friendfeed autopost alltop content, maestro!
- adam garrett
I was slow too :-)
- Marco Raaphorst
hi! who are you?
- Terry O'Fee
from BuddyFeed
welcome
- Jacob
logically that's impossible, because i follow you on FF for quite a while now.
- adam garrett
@llort threadkill, not directly on FF, over twitter or somthing else
- Muge Cerman
congrats :D
- eci
have you ever tried siberalem.com ? :)
- Yalcin Parmaksiz
That is classic! I actually just got started a little over a week ago myself.
- Chris Denker
I'm with ya.... just started this afternoon. So far, so good. :)
- Ben Daugherty
late to the conversation, but I do notice that this appearance by Guy was only a cameo *sigh*
- Susan Beebe
What take you so long ?
- TiTi
FriendFeed has been almost completely blocked in Iran as far as we can tell. We have a large number of very active Iranian users, and we noticed a steep decline in activity yesterday. Graph below.
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- Paul Buchheit
:( :(
- Rachel Lea Fox
:-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Related to the election?
- τorƍue
:(
- Ross Miller
that's so bad...
- Eren Emre Kanal
:-(
- Kevin Fox
τorƍue: Yes, as far as we know
- Bret Taylor
این نمودار نشاندهنده افت فرندفید به دلیل بسته شدن آن در ایران است
- Mycaptain
Bret: Is this based on IP numbers located in Iran, or actual activity from those users? If it's IP based, it'd be interesting to see the activity on a user basis and see if they've been able to route around the blocking.
- Ken Sheppardson
:(
- Marina Remi
Could it be related to Twitter being blocked (and therefore the twitter traffic import being blocked)?
- Stephan Osmont
):
- Jim Norris
Some users are definitely going through proxies. This is total # of unique visits from IPs originating in Iran
- Bret Taylor
That tells it's own, sad, story.
- WorldofHiglet
:(((
- Oğuz Serdar
Wow.
- Rochelle
If Twitter were blocked and FriendFeed weren't, I'd expect an uptick in FriendFeed activity, not a 92% drop.
- Kevin Fox
I.e. given all the users who've previously accessed the site from an Iran IP number, how many have been active from different numbers in the past 2 days.
- Ken Sheppardson
Sad.
- Jen (SquirrelGirl)
Instead of "liking" this, shouldn't we have an "unlike" button?
- Steven Melfi
:( Bret: According to Stephen fry, these are the iran proxies: 218.128.112.18:8080 218.206.94.132:808 218.253.65.99:808 219.50.16.70:8080 . Can you track these IPs?
- Roberto Bonini
I knew this day was coming. Too bad.
- Robert Scoble
Steven - same feeling here. I always feel weird "liking" bad stories on FF
- Mike Bracco
How does traffic from China look? Or North Korea?
- τorƍue
:(
- Helen Sventitsky
do not like :(
- Tamara
@τorƍue Twitter has been restored in China
- Stephan Osmont
Hey... we saw issues with blogfa.com as well: http://blog.spinn3r.com/2009...
- Kevin A. Burton
like for spread but not like for the situation
- Imprenditore
I wonder what the international community can do about stuff like this. Eventually the "bad guys" will lose.
- Michiel Sikkes
Hopefully, we'll never see a graph like this for Turkey...
- Onur Şentüre
that's because the government has blocked access to friendfeed,twitter,facebook,youtube and ... after election and after protests in Iran cities !
- Farshad
Man... :( That's really a corrupt government. Hope it gets better soon.
- Peter
That's horrible.
- Barış (beyn.org)
Kheyzaran mentioned over the weekend that both Twitter and FF were blocked for Iran starting I believe on Friday. He is using a proxy when possible to keep us updated
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Bret, any analysis about how many people unable to access FF directly are still able to access it via proxy?
- Daniel Dulitz
:-(
- bookmeister
:( Let the voices be heard!
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
So sad...
- Luka
Sigh :(
- Havang
can you suggest a way in friendfeed to show the situation in iran to the world ? its very important
- Farshad
I doubt any regular North Koreans have computers τorƍue
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Daniel: Well, we are still getting a bunch of Farsi comments and posts. They may be Persians from outside Iran or from Iranians using proxies. We don't have a detailed analysis breaking those down at this point.
- Bret Taylor
The stigmata of evil.
- Tim Tyler
all cominucation devices are blocked .even phone & cell phones !
- MohammadReza
see this for example : http://abcnews.go.com/Interna...
- Farshad
Watching the "guerrilla cyberwarfare" aspect of the elections and reactions has been fascinating. Iran's universities are obviously full of resourceful, passionate geeks.
- John Craft
not good in terms of freedom
- Sheri Fresonke Harper
this is really bad. i hope there's some resolution to this. the people or iran have shown a lot of strength and courage to protest the illegitimacy of recent events. i don't think this will stop things
- Cee Bee
Is it possible that the same folks from Iran that are active on Friendfeed are the ones out protesting?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
please help us , we are under attack ,change friendfeed logo if you can
- فرزاد
we need a new way
- Semiramis
@MVB we all are Protests
- MohammadReza
That's sad.
- EricaJoy
:( Dislike.
- Ruchira S. Datta
:(
- © D/\\/IIID ℠ ®
P.S. Kevin should turn the logo green in support of the Iranian's being disenfranchised.
- EricaJoy
:((
- ramin
For those that are in Iran: Have you tried http://fftogo.com as a workaround?
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
make a room for us, invite your friends we will fill it with latest news
- Farshad
I'm completely for having a fair vote, but I'm not sure that I'd want to try and align FriendFeed with a particular candidate, which is what a green logo would imply.
- Kevin Fox
Many iranians using proxies to access FF. and therefore their IPs changes to fake IP .
- آدمیرال
MohammadReza: Maryam's mom is still able to call her relatives and friends in Tehran, so they are keeping some voice traffic open, if not all.
- Robert Scoble
Farshad, I'm trying to post news here: http://friendfeed.com/world-n...
- Kol Tregaskes
No words for that...
- Frank
thanks kol :)
- Farshad
If Iran thinks they have nothing to fear, then why block Friendfeed?
- Frode Stenstrøm
Frode: because the government is like China: they believe that by retarding the flow of information they will reduce the threat of protests and governmental overthrow.
- Robert Scoble
Very reminiscent of the prelude to the fall of the Shah
- Alan Morris
I don't speak Persian, so I don't know all the searches, but there are still (luckily) a lot of Persian users posting: http://friendfeed.com/search.... If you are Persian and looking for updates, try our search engine to find the few users who still have access.
- Bret Taylor
Frode: and in Iran's case, they are run by conservative religious authorities and they don't like the fact that they are not in control of information flow like they used to be. They like to think they can still control information sources and, since they can't, they try to block places where their citizens can go to share information.
- Robert Scoble
is it a joke? iranian users seems the %90 of friend feed. it could not be real!
- Fırat DEMİREL
Firat: There are no units on the vertical axis of the chart.
- Ken Sheppardson
Firat: This is a chart of traffic from Iran, not of FF's total traffic.
- Kevin Fox
Firat, i doubt that this graph is a percentage graph... probably more likely that it's measuring hits, sessions, or total data transfered (mb, kb, etc)
- Chris Heath
Kevin: what impact did this have on FF's overall traffic?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Iran is the #6 country for FriendFeed in terms of page views per day.
- Bret Taylor
something is cooking out there...
- mehdi
Thanks all for answers. i told that it could not be real.. :) excuse me, i ve just read Bret's notice and looked at breaking point. i saw what i've missed before.. bad news for ff and iran.. :(
- Fırat DEMİREL
These statistics are incredible, especially the normally heavy useage of FF in Iran.
- Curt Mercadante
Bret Taylor, we can tag our pix and vids about iran election by an english keyword such as 'iran' or 'iranelection'. I think it will help to ff non-persian users to find out more about unrests in iran.
- آدمیرال
Iran restored cell phone service Sunday that had been down in the capital since Saturday. But Iranians still could not send text messages from their mobile phones, and the government increased its Internet filtering in an apparent attempt to undercut opposition voices. Social networking sites including Facebook and Twitter were also not working.
- Üstün Üzüm
Do *not* like. :(
- Pete Delucchi
:(
- Russ Jackson
:(
- Mitch
آقا یکی توضیح بده اینکه من(ما) لایک میزنیم! عملا دیسلایک ه ! :(
- younes
Younes says that our likes to this graph mean dislike to tehran's regime censorship
- آدمیرال
I can't find any evidence of Twitter being blocked in Iran. Anyone?
- Martin Bryant
TechCrunch just picked this up: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Robert Scoble
Thanks for the translation آدمیرال !
- Ross Miller
ممنونم آدمیرال عزیز
- younes
خواهش دوست من.
- آدمیرال
martin: those words are not mine actually from a news article from washinton post.
- Üstün Üzüm
On twitter people are retweeting the IPs and ports of unblocked proxies, can we do something like that here?
- Canageek
martin, i'm from iran. twitter is blocked. what evidence you wanna? screenshot!?
- آدمیرال
yes Canageek. we use proxies for tweeting
- آدمیرال
Authorities blocking the internet are just reinforcing solidarity between people, can't they understand ?
- Stanislas Jourdan
Stanislas: not to mention they encourage their smartest and richest people to leave (the ones who have technical skills). There's a reason why Silicon Valley has 10,000 or more Iranians living here. Their government sucks and the people are getting tired of it. Of course if their government was great I would never have met my wife (who grew up in Tehran). So, there is good to come out of a crappy government! :-)
- Robert Scoble
it has always seemed to me that the iranian user base is ENORMOUS here. wow. unbelievable.
- edythe
It is interesting how much civil unrest that is brewing across the globe towards their governments. The knee jerk reactions in attempting to block certain websites shows how much they didn't expect the net to become such a widespread conduit for cutting through the bs and informing those that wish to know. I wish those who take a stand all the best.
- alphaxion
:(
- Roberto
Another way for those that are in Iran is to access through Netvibes (but I don't know if it works or if it's blocked too), adding Friendfeed, Gmail and so on such as modules
- Roberto
Thanks for sharing this, Bret. It's valuable evidence of what's going on, evidence which wouldn't have been available even a few years ago.
- Michael Nielsen
sad
- Pedro Beltrao
Very interesting...so much for democracy and voting rights in Iran...
- freedom fighter mom
If anybody in Iran feels up to it, can you temporarily disable your proxy and run a traceroute to friendfeed.com and twitter.com then post the results here?
- EricaJoy
Bret and Paul, can you let us know if the traffic comes back, which would tell us they've unblocked FriendFeed?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: absolutely, we will let everyone know when it comes back up
- Bret Taylor
from email
Steven: You Like that it was posted, not the content of the post.
- Tanath
Bret, thanks for sharing the info about the dive. Shame, but what could we have expected from the Iranian status quo?
- Jon Osterholm
البته یه چیز هم هست اونکه بعد از فیلترینگ همه با آی پی غیر ایرانی می ان فرندفید و برای همنی آمارشون اینجا ثبت نمیشه ... وگرنه فکر نمی کنم از لحاظ تعداد نفراتی که میومدن کم شده باشه ... بلکه هم بیشتر
- HΛMΣD ƧΛFΛ
Yes, it happend and we have to use proxy to access friendfeed. Look at democracy in Iran...
- Zahra (raoros)
The coversations and comments here are educational.
- Seek Ground
@بی بی, you might try https://friendfeed.com/
- Jim Norris
:(
- imabonehead
Damn.
- Steven Perez
http://mojipage.com register in this website and add ff widget! twitter is blocked in iran so I am posting twitts by a script or choqok(http://choqok.gnufolks.org/)
- ★amin.m★
from MojiPage
Good luck to all of you trying to get around the censorship. I hope the big sites are doing what they can to help out.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Looking at the potential of this event in the future for numerous causes is mind-boggling. Really amazing.
- Charlie Anzman
Come to think of it, does FF have a presence in China? I'd imagine it's blocked there. I've seen Chinese on here, but never sure if that's from China or speakers outside.
- anna sauce
Tnx Bret
- Conformist / Unforgiven
Thnaks :)
- Exir
این چی میگه؟
- Lord hozeh
ببین شب انتخاباتی چکار کردیم با این فرفر. wow!
- ali
چه همه لااااااااااااااااایک!
- ali
:((
- AJ Batac
Damn.
- Derrick
Expected.
- Michael W. May
Yes, Friendfeed is blocked in Iran. Right now the papers and TV channels here are controlled by the government and our access to satellite channels is blocked too. Friendfeed and Twitter are quite vital for us now. Our main source of exchanging information and news is Friendfeed. Via Friendfeed we let everyone know that where people need help and where to go and how to help them and...
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- Selma
Selma: does https://friendfeed.com/ work for you?
- Bret Taylor
Nope, they have blocked all https addresses, we have had to sign in to Friendfeed via anti-filters for the past few months.
- Selma
its a shame. it was one the main media we used to inform ppl. thats why they filtered it. now many users cant sign in
- Myri∂m
Can't we "help" in some way? Providing proxies, I don't know, the kind of stuff pirates do. Pirates, and people trying to make a Revolution happen....
- Zackatoustra
It may not be long before Turkey joins the party.
- Sarp Tüzün
It's very sad to see this happen
- Michael Fidler
tnx all of you...
- emin
internet was our last hope ...but it block...and we cant use it easily...
- Opium
:(
- Caroline
I just spoke with my friend Andres, the main BBC correspondent for the Middle East/Afghanistan, and he mentioned the web is being fire walled in Iran much the same as the the "Great Firewall" during last year's Olympics in China.
- sofarsoShawn
The Iranian websites that people used to exchange information about the election protests in Iran are under cyber-attacks by the government forces and from anonymous sources. Many of them are down right now. These Iranian websites were our few last remaining channels to inform people. What can we do about that? Is there anyone out there who can help us with this?
- emin
i was 53rd active user in friendfeed until this filtering. now i can open FF with proxies and if i can fine. a Vpn but many Vpn here come from companies that have relations with security services, i thunk they allow us to bypass filternig and then, they will arrest who has wrote against their goals
- خیزران kheyzaran
Can't we transfer the data/databases of the sites you, iranian guys, use to any new domain we could buy? I want to help. Not by throwing rocks to "security service" forces, but, at least, by making possible for what YOU have to say to go public, worldwide.
- Zackatoustra
FF is a useful website for Iranian People to get reliable information about demonstration against presidential election.
- پارسـا
so so sorry for iran people... I hope they will win...
- Tanaydin Sirin
and Now Yahoo messenger and google talk blocked in iran :((((
- پارسـا
Some amazing images from Iran - http://ff.im/42pgD
- Brent - Loving Life
Does http://fftogo.com work still?
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Selma: 1- I don't use a proxy but clearing all but one (deleting them all logs me out) instance of each friendfeed.com cookie name and refreshing the page always solves this for me in Firefox. Has never happened on Lunascape or IE. Good luck.
- Alexandros Georgiadis
google block fftogo for iranian users!!!
- ★amin.m★
Friendfeedがイランでblockされているというコトらしい。いったいどういう理由でだか分からないけれど……もし、国内のゴタゴタの影響であればいずれtwitterも、ということになりかねないのかも。／でも、fftogoを使えば迂回できるのかな？
- Sakurai.Catshop
What about email, amin.m? Are you able to post to FF by emailing share@friendfeed?
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I don't know about email. now I am using freegate or another site like http://mojipage.com
- ★amin.m★
Could http://dev.ctor.org/f2p, http://frienddeck.com or http://peoplebrwsr.com work for friendfeed?
- Alexandros Georgiadis
Very sad.
- Parth Awasthi
The reason I ask is because if you can email a post, then try sending it to share@friendfeed and also to YourUserName@friendfeed. Then when someone comments you'll receive an email about it and you can comment back to the thread via email as well.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
No wonder why !
- Pelin
+ don't use your ISP's DNS server, verify your Firewall, search for rootkits.. + If you really wanna use Tor, be 'mobile', check the onion's status, don't be too confident, continue to use encrypted protocols & 'mobile' ports. At least, read Tor's docs and articles about Tor & privacy/security..
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
now chat like gmail or yahoo messenger are blocked too
- egza
I don't know if these can help but I put them here anyway http://www.noiseriver.com/ http://moopz.com/
- M F
Alexandros: Frienddeck could work for certain parts - posts and queries against user accounts are proxied through the App Engine, searches are direct against Friendfeed so they could probably not work.
- Paul Kinlan
Thanks :((
- مـهدی معتمد
:( booooooo
- Duncan Rawlinson
:o
- FKU
DAMN!
- Vicey
whoa, NOT good
- Susan Beebe
We wish the people of Iran well in these difficult times
- Marc
Not good at all. Best wishes to the Iranian FFers. I hope this whole mess gets cleared up quickly and with as little violence as possible
- Kamilah Gill
this is terribly wrong
- Francisco Costa
A government that takes away people's Friendfeed will not last long.
- Goran Zec
WOW CRAZY
- Matt Kaufman
I like that 667 people liked this, that's 667 people hoping it all gets resolved justly and peacefully.
- Steve C
now we are 676 people who liked that =) hoping too everthing gets resolved peacefully.
- Ibrahim Tarlig
Bret, is there any update on this? Is activity still low?
- Kol Tregaskes
Yes, we are still being blocked
- Bret Taylor
:-(
- Kol Tregaskes
:-(
- Arif Siddiquee
definitely DON'T LIKE this... >_< ...would love to be able do more than retweeting proxies
- Daniele
Best regards from Chile to all iranian people, we know a lot about bad government and human rights. Good luck, strength and courage to all of you.
- Roberto Arancibia
:(
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
It's to bad there is such attempts to block free flow of information, how long will it be before there is more amazing differences happening? Such limits, hmm.
- Ray Marr aka Knatchwa
They have to keep the militants in check. Thank goodness for the pipes that were broken.
- tony
بیا بالا ای فید من
- egza
Digg.com is block in Iran now.
- Sahandram
:-(
- Paolo Valzania
:((
- Mitchell Tsai
Interesting censorship- same can happen in America - I would like to talk to you abt Friendfeed and bringing over some large groups do you have time?
- JanSimpson
I've seen those censorship about FriendFeed (Iran). Do you know some interesting and objective blogposts about it?
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
from email
:(
- Rachel Lea Fox
Do you have a similar graph as ff's been blocked in China?
- K.D.
And China now has a similar blockage. You should also check on it.
- Kenyth
Sometimes we forget how easy we have it than other countries. But until people revolt & I mean a HUGE revolution injustices will still go on.
- Gabriella Sannino
ای بابا این فید رو شخم زدن :))
- egza
پرلایک ترین فید فرفره این
- ramin
jeddi?
- HΛMΣD ƧΛFΛ
from IM
آره حامد آمارشو قبلا در آورده ام
- egza
che jaleb , oonvaght por comment dartarin feed kodoome? bebinim mishe feed 2khtare mardom e farzad davan davan ro be oon beresoonim?
- HΛMΣD ƧΛFΛ
from IM
حامد اینجا رو ببین http://friendfeed.com/amirsem...
- egza
ba mobile am ... to bebin bara manam tarif kon :D
- HΛMΣD ƧΛFΛ
from IM
بعد از این فید که هستمی این http://friendfeed.com/funny-p... در رده دوم لایکه ,اینجا شش هزار و خورده ای کامنت داره http://friendfeed.com/ideali... این فید از فارسی زبانان فرفر همین نیما خودمون http://friendfeed.com/nimaa... در لایک 204 تا این هم از آیدا http://friendfeed.com/elaheye... بیشتر از 2400 کامنت داره
- egza
I love http://www.feedly.com -- it is how I read my Google Reader feeds now. Requires Firefox, but if you have it very nice headline display
Pinksy, Jorge Barba, Wes Bright and 104 other people liked this
How do you consume RSS on your iPhone?
- Mike Bracco
Mike: I use NetNewsWire, personally.
- John Fox
Mike: FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
ByLine - syncs with Google Reader
- Brian Roy
John: me too, I use NNW on Mac and iPhone.
- Mike Bracco
I used this a while back... it sure has come a long way.
- Evan Travers
Robert: I never would have thought of using Friendfeed as an all purpose RSS reader. Don't know why it never occured to me.
- John Fox
Scoble: I assume you just mean that you follow the stream of info here - do you use the FF imaginary friend feature to add feeds?
- Mike Bracco
Mike: I follow 25,000 people and their RSS feeds here.
- Robert Scoble
Feels like I lose control when I use Feedly though its a very beautiful interface to GReader.
- Kamath (नमः)
Firefox feels somewhat slow after Safari 4
- jess
Scoble: Gotcha...you probably have enough "real" friends that you do not need to create "imaginary" ones :)
- Mike Bracco
Brian Roy: ByLine is amazing, I use it to read feeds on my iPhone every day. They pissed me off when they changed to that UGLY icon for a while, but finally they release what we have now, which is very nice.
- John Reynolds
i love feedly too
- andy brudtkuhl
Feedly.com is best RSS reader for ease of use and readability without question
- Jonathan Evans
from Friend Deck
Fun that Feedly's founder is here too: http://friendfeed.com/edwk
- Robert Scoble
Feedly.com is best RSS reader for ease of use and readability without question
- Jonathan Evans
from Friend Deck
thanks for sharing, I use "times" but it's a bit "memory" heavy : ) this one could be next!
- ledretch
I have to create *some* imaginary friends since some people on my Twitter don't have a FF account yet. I keep begging them, though.
- John Fox
Robert Scoble: I'm surprised you still even use the feeds in a reader environment since you subscribe to so much here on FF. What kind of feeds and how many, do you still read in GoogleReader and why?
- John Reynolds
I started using feedly again recently. I love the interface.
- Spirit 2.0
Josh: here in friendfeed there's just a lot of noise sometimes. Blogs tend to me more thought out than most of the things people import here, which can include Tweets, short items, upcoming events, etc. Sometimes I just want to see blogs and Feedly brings me that. Also, there are still lots of people who don't use friendfeed (although that number goes down every day, I'm getting 1,000 new followers on friendfeed a week which demonstrates that friendfeed is growing pretty quickly).
- Robert Scoble
Interesting stuff... always curious as to the business model...
- Buzz Bruggeman
Thanks robert! @buzz: more on the business model very soon. Stay tuned.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Awesome find, also going to use it as my start page.
- Chris Lang
Requires FireFox?! No thanks, let me know when there's a Chrome version.
- Martin Johnson
Robert: I thought you were in the FriendFeed can replace Google Reader camp, which made me question the way I was using FF. Glad to hear that I'm not the only one that feels FF isn't the best place for blog aggregation and that blog aggregation is still valuable. Too bad I've switched back to Safari for now.
- Chip Ramsey
I liked Feedly, but FireFox not so much, compared to Safari. Unfortunate that they have to tie it to a browser.
- Oliver Bouchard
I've been enjoying http://feedafever.com/ in Safari (both desktop and iPhone versions). Firefox is far too greedy with memory.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Waiting for a chrome version, once that comes out, I am switching to chrome full time.
- Russ Jackson
Agree: Need a chrome version.
- Ron Hudson
I've mostly bailed on Google Reader altogether: http://bit.ly/N7JTa
- Mark Czerniec
Chip: keep in mind I haven't used Google Reader or Feedly in weeks. FriendFeed actually brings me most of the good stuff I see in my Google Reader feed. But if there's a reason you need to use feeds still, Feedly is very nice.
- Robert Scoble
I'll give it a try, I'm just against adding Firefox plugins as my main browser now a days is Chrome
- Jorge Escobar
Thanks Robert. Installing now.
- Mark Davidson
Quick question: when I read an item on feedly, is it flag as read on Google Reader?
- Jorge Escobar
Love the interface
- Henry Liu
@Jorge. Yes. When you read an article in feedly, it is marked as read in Google Reader. When you share an article in feedly (thumbs up or share with note icon), it will be shared in Google Reader. Finally, when you save an article for later in feedly, it will be starred in Google Reader.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Thanks Edwin. I have to say, I got a lot of errors using the plugin, mainly authentication. I logged out and logged in several times, but every time I click on a story I got an error message.
- Jorge Escobar
I wonder if these errors are because of the 'Scoble Effect' http://bit.ly/TJ5JD
- Jorge Escobar
just installed it. Nice headline display, but I still like paging through with j and k keyboard shortcuts
- Bill Kinney
Feedly appears to have grown up since I played with it about a year ago. I may try it again but Firefox has really lost my love as of late compared to Chrome. When Firefox only crashes individual Tabs in separate memory spaces (which is rumored to happen), then I may love my Mozilla tool once again. Seems like I'm not the only one who feels the same.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
manielse: I agree. I love Chrome and wish Feedly worked in it.
- Robert Scoble
@bill: feedly supports most of the keyboard shortcuts of Google Reader (j, k, s, n, p, etc..). Click ? in feedly to get the complete list. @jorge: yes for about 10 minutes, the registration and authentication service had their heads under the water. Should be back to normal now.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin: awesome! I hadn't much time to play with it, but that is very cool Thanks for the tip.
- Bill Kinney
Started using Feedly again when I got comfortable with Firefox 3.5. Sure is pleasant to browse, I agree.
- Chris Baskind
I've tried Feedly a couple times but I just can't use the "headlines" interface. I like still plugging through Google Reader for what info I still having coming through that channel.
- Tony
@tony: me to. i like to hammer 'j' untill i see stuff i like. it's nice and single-tasky. feedly makes my brain want to read everything at once
- Chris Bingham
So do I. It's becoming my only start-up page. It's Google Reader for lazy people (I'm one..)
- Martin Añazco
ooh, hammering j also works pretty nice in feedly! i'm sold
- Chris Bingham
@Edwin looks like it's working now. I'll give it a spin in the next 2 days and see if I get the hang of it. I have to say the UI is refreshing!
- Jorge Escobar
might take a little getting used to, but the presentation of your feeds is really nice..
- Robert de Castro
I just gave feedly a try but must say that it doesn't offer many benefits over Google Reader. Some of the things I like include the 'Karma' feature, the ability to aggregate articles related to Twitter's hot topics, and of course the magazine look. However, I find the interface somewhat clumsy in that how articles are marked as read is somewhat confusing. Their preferences page should...
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- Angus Burton
Ah, I love feedly too been using for 6 months .. hey, wait a minute, you still read feeds in your reader?
- Beth Kanter
I agree with Angus. I prefer Google Reader's simplicity.
- Curt Mercadante
I am an experienced user of both Google Reader and Feedly, with subscriptions to over 1,000 feeds, and have discovered that I can cover much more ground more quickly and more easily with Feedly than with Google Reader. But Feedly takes some investment of time and effort to learn -- there is much more to it than meets the eye at first glance. Its full value isn't apparent until you dig into the full feature set.
- Sean McBride
What Bryan at the top said. FireFox? That dog don't hunt on this box. You gotta Make the apps work in any browser, or I (for one) am not likely to play with them. Safari, Firefox, Chrome, IE, and Opera.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
You mean you've said goodbye to Google Reader?
- Diego Barros
is feedly working ? here is not ! : /
- Rocky
@rocky. it should work. What is the error you are running into? Can you please open a bug on http://www.getsatisfaction.com/feedly and I will track it down
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I love Feedly. I don't read a lot of RSS feeds, but the ones I do are very diversified, and I think Feedly organizes well. I like the magazine feel to it, and I really like the fact that I can mark a feed read, but save feeds I like to really read or refer to, when I have more time.
- Bonnie Foster
finally, a way to look at RSS feeds that's welcoming...you know, like a normal website :-)
- Julian Seery Gude
One of many Feedly power features: you're subscribed to hundreds of feeds. You want to jump to a particular feed without navigating lists of feeds. Start typing the name of the feed in the Feedly incremental search box, and bingo: there's the feed, ready to click through to. Example: typing "lif" -- three characters -- brings up Lifehacker. Try doing that in Google Reader.
- Sean McBride
LOL: now I don't want to read my Google Reader feeds so that I accumulate enough to see them tomorrow on Feedly...
- Jorge Escobar
Experimented some more with it tonight. I had recently cut a whole bunch of feeds out of Reader because it was getting to be too much. Wish I hadn't now, feedly bubbles things to the surface quite nicely (and better than GReader's own Auto sort feature, IMO). Friendfeed integration is pretty killer too.
- Bill Kinney
for feedly users - the topic search is amazing i.e. http://www.feedly.com/home#tr...
- michael sean wright
Confirmed that Feedly is still not for me. Just rather see an enhanced, smarter GReader with Filters, User Behavior Ranking (not Social Ranking but knows others what this) and Topic groupings (auto hide articles that appear to be duplicates).
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
i'll try it for a few days, i think i like it now, it seems a lo more organized and, most important, it brings discussion and conversation right into the feed reading, and that is a feature i was looking for!
- Ivy /composmentis
from email
love feedly! It's the Only way I use Google reader :) it's my start page baby HA!
- Aline Ohannessian
I don't even know where to start with the reasons I love Feedly. It's an indispensable part of any good information filtering/data gathering tool set.
- Mike Elliott
I began to use Feedly five days ago, after three years of use of Google Reader, and certainly i will not turn back. Fantastic experience!
- Stalkk.ed
I love Feedly too! I started using it a few months ago based on some recommendations here at FF. It was as much an upgrade to me as going from my 4 year old Treo to the I-phone. HUGE.
- Kelly W.
I will have to give this a try. Thanks for sharing.
- Rocque
I tried it today... and yes, looks really great and beautiful, now I'll do a daily test... yes, thanks for sharing!
- Arne Krueger
How does it look on mobile?
- Mathew A. Koeneker
I can't get it to mark articles as read without clicking on the X. I usually go through google reader hammering 'j'. I tried that in feedly, and have also tried to 'm' shortcut and neither will mark articles as read. What am I missing?
- Brian Newman
Brian: j, j, j should mark articles as read (titles turning black instead of blue). If you are seeing a different behavior, then it must be a bug. Could you please open an issue on http://www.getsatisfaction.com/feedly with any potential error message being printed in the firefox error console when you click on j? Thanks.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin - Sure thing! Thanks for the quick response.
- Brian Newman
I noticed a lot of Google Chrome fans yesterday in this thread. Not Feedly but a good tool to look at. If you are using 3.0.189.0+ (currently Dev Build), I'd highly recommend you checking out TPGoogleReader (version 0.3) http://tpreal.dcmembers.com/TPGoogl...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Just installed, pretty nice
- Che Hodgins
Feedly is supreme. Looking forward to the iphone version!
- John O'Day
I find it a bit busy still, but the mini toolbar is great
- Yant
I love it too. I use it for my start page and that's how I read my news each day. Would be nice to see it for other browsers.
- Quasar
I think Feedly is a superb product that goes beyond being a simple RSS reader. I wrote some of my thoughts here http://bit.ly/ysGFT. Once again, thanks Robert for recommending good stuff like this.
- Jorge Escobar
Yup. Feedly is great and I especially like the mini toolbar, makes sharing stuff on Twitter a breeze!
- Jorge Barba
I am 100 percent a non-smoker now. And knock wood and praise Murphy my heart is doing well. :-)
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Haven't you been a non-smoker for quite a while?
- Tad
Rock on Dave!
- Leo Laporte
Congrats to your journey to clean lungs
- Tony
Congrats!!!! That's fabulous news!! Good for you, that's a tough habit to overcome! Rock on Dave!
- Susan Beebe
Cool!!!
- BeeLing
Congrats, Dave.
- Ken Kennedy
From another ex smoker, congrats.
- Mike Lewis
Congrats. Gave up 22 years ago. It isn't easy, but it is worth it.
- David Wright
from twhirl
I quit in September :) Yay
- martha
Congratulations from a Pulmonologist....we can stop yelling at you now...
- Carey Lumeng
Congrats, I quit 4 years ago and never looked back. Good job.
- Scott
congrats Dave, you're an inspiration for many
- Jemima Jordan
tad, 7 years
- Dave Winer
well done. I quit 10 years ago, best thing i ever did, worth persevering at.
- Ken Power
congrats, I quit one and half year and counting, stay strong.
- dan
congratulations, my mother died at 42, she was a smoker, thats my next birthday. I've never smoked, never understood why anyone did. And my mom's death showed me that it was not a good idea to even start.
- Bryan Whitehouse
Congrats on seven years of good living! I remember that time when I thought the worst might happen. It's also amazing that seven years have gone by. Keep on kicking!
- Robert Scoble
Congrats Dave.
- John Blanton
from twhirl
I quit for 3 years, then in 2006, I spent 6 months in Tokyo. Argh.... need to quit again.
- Christopher A Carr
Congrats! I gave up ten years ago. By far the best thing I have done for my health and wellnes
- Marcello Del Bono
A very wise decision...I could only imagine how difficult it was to give up cigarettes.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
I recently restarted smoking after I got layed off. I think perhaps it's time to quit again. What did you use to help, Dave?
- Scott Ohlemacher
Like Scott, I am also a 100% former quitter. The patch just isn't doing enough for me. Your words of advice and/or encouragement would be appreciated...
- Victor Kamutzki
Scott: Dave's doctor told him "quit or die." That was about all the help Dave needed.
- Robert Scoble
congrats! I quit almost 4 years ago.....
- Gordon Corte
Been reformed for three years now. It's still hard, but definitely worth it. Good luck staying smoke free.
- David Imielski
Scoble is right. According to the guy who fixed my heart, I would now be dead for four years if I hadn't quit. The moment he told me the story is the moment I became a non-smoker. http://archive.scripting.com/2004...
- Dave Winer
Dave: I'm glad you quit. Here's to another seven great more years!
- Robert Scoble
Dave: Congrats .. that's one of the hardest things in life to do...
- Bastard Operator From FF
Nicely done, get your teeth cleaned as a reward and they will feel great for a long time.
- Greg Birch
А ингаляция медицинская, хорошая полезная альтернатива курению, и процесс похожий, кто решил бросить - очень рекомендую, я правда себе позволить её не могу, бросил так, но с удоволсьствием бы чем-нить полезным затянулся бы, Гы... бы-Гы - гыыыы...
- otverta
Didn't know it takes 7 yrs to be 100% non-smoker. .. Year #5. "never take another puff". Congratulations.
- The Comic Project
Dave, well done! Proud of you.
- Melanie Reed
Dave, your Madtown pals are proud of you. You are leading by example, again, as usual. Congrats and cheers.
- Dave Martin
I forget what Leo was quoting, but he said it take 10,000 hours to truely master something, so obviously Mr. Winer has been practicing not-smoking for 10,000 hours
- Matthew DeVries
Congratulations!
- godisprofitable
Good for you! Just remember that non-smokers don't smell like ashtray.
- Marco Brandao
You are now huggable!
- Head Ov Metal
congrats!
- sean percival
Good Work!
- Adam Martin
Workin' on it and getting there
- Charlie Anzman
YEAY! Congrats!
- Shevonne
Congrats Dave! You da man!
- imabonehead
Many congratulations Dave!
- jcunwired
Congrats Dave. I'm at 200 days today! Still get the cravings occasionally, but they pass pretty quickly.
- Guy Martin
How to tell who the good guys are, by Andrew Sullivan. "They're the ones who sometimes rescue a beleaguered riot policeman." Great point! RT @rizzn - http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_dai...
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Wow - great picture
- Jesse Stay
Another terrific picture!
- Alex Hellstrom
To be honest, I frequently forget to look at both sides of the equation during periods of violence.
- Bob Blunk
Bob: A good thought - I wonder how many of those riot police really would rather be on the other side?
- Alex Hellstrom
he could be performing a judo hip throw. video is probably needed to verify the picture.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
@Alex i wondered about the same thing. They are in a profession where most of the times they have to probably go against their choice to perform their duty. Not an easy task i must say.
- Bhowmik Shah
Coming from the tail end of the hippie generation I suppose causes me to seek out the other side, especially in times of violence, I'm loving this pic, and what wre seeing from younger generations in Iran.
- jcunwired
They're both Iranians: brothers, countrymen. I'd love to see the greens prevail, but I hope the violence doesn't last.
- Chris Baskind
Is still Love making the world going round?
- Bita
i would love to see this image travel through the media.
- MikeAmundsen
I saw the previous images of this scene and was trying to figure out if he WAS helping or not.
- Kreg Steppe
Police in Iran charged at protesters using their motorbikes, in a bid to break up a street rally. One policeman crashed his bike during the charge and was helped to safety by protesters. An Italian journalist caught the incident on his mobile phone. Video courtesy of Corriere della Sera TV @ http://news.bbc.co.uk/2...
- Chris Zlatis
Keep up the great job Robert, you are helping to report what is going on better than our own state run media.
- Russ Jackson
Now this is an amazing photograph, serving as a great reminder that humanity is capable at once of both terrible and great things. I hope it is one of assistance, much as that very moving video above showed.
- Nick Wade
the video is great, too. shows that, even at crazy times, there are good-hearted people acting to protect anyone in need. i wonder how often this has been happening over the last few days.
- MikeAmundsen
Good luck, Mamoot!
- Ayşe E.
I saw these images last night, and I'm heartened to learn that the protesters were in fact helping this guy :) Thanks Mamoot!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Mamoot, stay strong. Stay safe. You will prevail.
- Uche Ogbuji
Good luck to you in your fight for your rights. I hope you are successful and may God keep you safe!
- Californian
Marmoot we are with you!
- Francine Hardaway
@mamoot: be safe. there are many ways to resist; some very subtle. time is always on your side.
- MikeAmundsen
WOWOWO that is awesome!! that is a good guy for sure!
- Susan Beebe
sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq: watch http://www.youtube.com/watch... and you'll see that they really are helping the cop.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
@mamoot Good luck and stay safe.
- imperator3733
thx Chris Zlatis & Chris Charabaruk = WIN for the video links.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
This one has my vote for the Pulitzer...
- John Fenzel
I bet the guy in green got a beating once he got the policeman to the safety of the riot police
- Viran
They look like family.
- Garin Kilpatrick
It's great to hear that you are safe Mamoot. Keep demonstrating for what you believe in. We all support you.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
:(
- Exir
Thnx Robert for Support, We Will Win
- میر امید موسوی
Stay safe, Mamoot
- Marci Golub
@Mamoot we are all watching and care very much about your freedom!
- Ryan Petty
We’re shipping today: the road to Building43. Please come and join us during launch party today. - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
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We'll be launching Building43 from TechCrunch's headquarters today. We can't fit more people in, but we'll have live video streaming starting at about 4 p.m. Pacific Time today at http://www.kyte.tv/scobleizer -- lots of special guests.
- Robert Scoble
from Bookmarklet
Site goes like at 4pm PT?
- Jason Miller
Friendfeed plays a huge part in the site, by the way (thanks to Paul Buchheit for all of his help over the weekend). Jason: I think we are actually launching it at 5 p.m.
- Robert Scoble
very cool! can't wait
- andy brudtkuhl
^^ yo very (!) interested in how 'things work' for you today - wish you all the best!! :)
- Ronald
Good luck today, I hope everything goes well. Sorry I couldn't make the party!
- Buzz Bruggeman
Buzz and others, thanks! Make sure you join the Building43 room here. http://www.friendfeed.com/buildin... -- you'll get on the home page if you post there.
- Robert Scoble
we'll always support you and love ya rob x
- David Lloyd
Congrats. Just commented on the blog post. I think it's a great movement and I'm looking forward to contributing to it if I can!
- Alexander van Elsas
Can't wait! Here's a good intro video on all this from a local news station who got to interview Robert this week in Blacksburg, VA -- http://www.wdbj7.com/Global...
- Cameron
^^ yeppers, pretty nice intro video, already seen :) :) - I WANT MORE, please :))))
- Ronald
good luck today, can't wait to read (and see video) of more from B43
- erik yuzwa
Well done Robert & Rob L!!! Very excited for all that you guys are doing. Sooooo much potential and ground breaking & practical stuff that is being offered.
- Lyn Graft
Scoble on my question how does Building43 make money: @vedi: we're a cost center right now. I have been on Twitter for more than 900 days and they haven't figured out how to monetize so you gotta give me 900 days to figure it out too. :-)
- Vedran Rudelj
The Scobleizer.com feed to Google Reader is very slow these days. I always find your posts here first.
- Louis Gray
Congrats Robert, looking forward...
- Nir Ben Yona
Louis: that's on purpose. I manually refresh my feed here on friendfeed manually as soon as I post. Why? Because the real time web is important. Google Reader seems old, I find I don't like visiting it anymore.
- Robert Scoble
I consume GReader via Feedly now - if I dont see it on FF first
- andy brudtkuhl
andy: yeah, feedly is doing weird things, though. It keeps posting stuff to Twitter and I can't figure out why or how. Plus I just am addicted to friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
eeewww. Just noticed 4 p.m. Pacific Time, is actually 2 a.m my time. Can't we make it 2 hours earlier, LOL.
- Nir Ben Yona
That's true, but getting your post in Google Reader helps me share it.
- Louis Gray
Can't wait! You guys are doing some great things---look forward to seeing it! Want to share what we're doing with http://www.jailbreakomaha.com
- Jeff Slobotski
Congratulation Robert, already have a reminder for 7 PM EST tonight to watching the streaming, wish I could be there.
- Kim Landwehr
1st off Thank You Robert Scoble you helped me stay ahead of the curve over the years in what's in the technology pipeline. I am really interested in you latest project because I am that small business that would like to have the 2010 website but have yet to get it past say around 1999 level website. looking forward to the future...
- Jim Beall
Excited! I think this idea is really cool and I'm ready to see some more great interviews and demos similar to what you've been doing in the past. I'll be watching the launch. Good luck!
- Brandon Titus
I know I for one will be *extremely* excited to see this puppy launch :)
- Michelle McGinnis
Congratulation to all the Rackers involved and especially to you, Robert!!! I am sooo looking forward and i am already a big fan!
- Arne Krueger
Robert - YAY, CONGRATS!! woo hoooooo!
- Susan Beebe
Susan, save your applause for when we ship it. You might not like it!
- Robert Scoble
Robert: psyched to finally see and hear about the rest of your Fred Wilson breakfast! Although my lucid moments have been shattered by two recent puppies, I'll support the 43 movement with my best blogging thoughts/links
- Mark Essel
Good luck Robert
- Charlie Anzman
Congradulations Robert. Keep doing the great work. I'll be watching....
- Alex Marrow
rockmanusa needs a new website
- David Lloyd
Sounds cool and fun. Looking forward to your launch.
- Michael Williams
Getting closer... very excited for you guys! :) I love Go Live Launchs !!!!
- Susan Beebe
Congrats Robert to you and Rocky! So if i come by the TechCrunch offices without an RSVP can't I just say I'm heard about it on FriendFeed? :)
- Elliott Ng
Isn't it 4pm now?
- Matthew DeVries
WTF, where's my building?
- Matthew DeVries
Ditto what Matthew said... WTF, where's my building?
- Arleen Boyd
Website is Live :)
- Nir Ben Yona
Where is the friendfeed account?
- Matthew DeVries
thank you sir
- Matthew DeVries
So is Chrome your default browser?
- Mats
Nice Job Robert ! Looking forward to hooking up with you in the near future to pursue some paradigm-shifting applications for B23 and RS...
- Mike Schmidt
Hey Robert, fantastic video interview with Fred Wilson. Worth the wait!
- Mark Essel
Congrats, Robert!
- Bret Taylor
Congratulations on the launch, looks great!
- Raj Advani
Congratulations! Looking forward to learning from this site!
- Entreprini
Congratulations! (Now you can sleep!)
- Kay Designer
Congratulations! Even though the sites new, it still looks great. I can’t wait to see where you go from here. BTW. I loved the way Loic took over the show at the TechCrunch party. lol
- Michael Fidler
Reading and commenting on this from the Building43 site. Cool.
- Hutch Carpenter
Got a bunch of stuff to do for a huge Friday ahead, but am very excited about guiding our startup alongside the Bldg43 community - starting out with no bad habits and no pre-conceived notions except embracing the new and the best frees us. Looking forward to learning, teaching and sharing. Keep up the great work!
- Matt Weeks
congrats!!
- Patricia
Congratulations, Robert! Can't imagine amount of work you did for site launch. Interview with Zuckerberg was really great.
- denis
Congrats on the launch, Robert.
- George Hall (Australia)
Congrats Robert, the site is looking good. I'm gonna spent the next two hours watching those video interviews.
- Diego Sana
Just took the the feed with Google reader. Interesting Concept.
- Brent - Loving Life
"All building43 content is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution - Noncommercial " ~ nice touch.
- Peter Renshaw
I spotted a Rackspace logo and put together some other impressions here: http://www.sampletheweb.com/2009... still trying to wrap my head around it all though. Good luck with it!
- C. K. Sample III
New Friend Feed client called Amigo just listed in itunes today http://ax.itunes.apple.com/WebObje... (via @Rumford)
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Good grief. Why is it red when FriendFeed (and, well, everything else on the Internet) is blue?
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva, I hear you - and will see what we can do to provide you with a way to choose a different color in a future revision.
- David J. Hinson
Oh, wow, David, I'm subscribed to you and had no idea this was your work. Congratulations! It looks great. I'll be providing more feedback in the future.
- Akiva Moskovitz
man that exchange reminded me of the Annie Hall scene where Woody Allen just happens to have Marshall McLuhan handy. i'm going to complain about the default wallpaper in OS X and hope Steve Jobs replies.
- Karim
anytime, Steve.
- Karim
just downloaded it. looks pretty spiffy :)
- Tyler Gillies
I almost downloaded that this morning, didn't realize it was new. I grabbed BuddyFeed instead.
- Shawn Kirsch
If socialized health care is so great, why do all my UK friends have private insurance?
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Jeff, when I worked for Siemens, my UK employees fought hard for private insurance. It was non-negotiable for them. When I queried as to why, they explained they wanted to get to the front of the queue ahead of the NHS patients.
- Ryan Petty
I don't get it. I have never seen Gov health care run well (Walter Reed anyone?)..... But most seem to be clamoring for it here. I truly don't understand.... What am I missing?
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
Jeff, for people with no insurance the access to crappily run health care is still better than the option of none.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I agree Tina. But to fix that we beef up Medicaid, not socialize the whole thing.
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
To my knowledge the current proposition isn't to socialize the whole thing. It's to offer a national insurance to those to don't have private insurance. In a sense, it's a beef up of Medicaid just like you've suggested.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
It's like the school uniform debate, everyone gains by having a much smaller clothing expense, but some kids will pop their collars to say I'm too privileged for just that.
- Micah Wittman
I had the same discussion with my dad recently. When I was in the Army, in the middle of a miscarriage, I waited 2 or 3 hours to see a doctor. And when I had a newborn, the health care was just like an assembly line. We never saw a doctor, and just went from one station to the next. My dad told me about how when my mom had kidney stones, she waited 3 or 4 hours to be seen (with private...
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- Michelle Martinez
Because National health care will be a way to get private health care to come down in cost, since most people would be able to get national health care instead.
- Wizetux
Michelle - ER's do really good with life threatening emergencies (that's what they're made for) they pretty much suck for everything else, regardless of who's footing the bill. It's like complaining that my sports car doesn't tow well; that's not what it's made to do. I'm not trying to minimize Kidney Stones (they seriously suck), I'm just saying it's not an ER's top priority... hence the wait...
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
Jeff, I understand what you're saying, but if I had kidney stones, the pain would be enough to need an ER. Honestly, I'm not sure how I feel. Army health care was bad, but I did have a few good doctors. And civilian health care is good, but it has issues, too. I'm not sold either way.
- Michelle Martinez
We have a problem - people without access to affordable healthcare. It is a moral imperative that this problem is solved. Most people who feel this way don't really care if socialized medicine is the answer - they just want A solution. We need smart leaders willing to think outside the box.
- Tad
Tad - people will care when it fails. We're going bankrupt funding the existing Medicaid/Medicare.
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
Tina - It's not "just" adding in a safety layer. Obama said recently that he is willing to consider taxing employer-sponsored health benefits to help pay for a broad expansion of coverage. That's attempting to drive behavior by penalizing Private Insurance. I'm all for fixing they safety net we have (we NEED to), but making it the defacto and punishing private insurance isn't the answer.
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
Note - I don't know what the answer is... I just don't get the Michael Moore push for national health care......
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
There's another thing: even people who think they have private insurance don't in fact have private insurance. If you pay for your own insurance - good luck with that, btw - as soon a syou get seriously ill, the insurance drops you- or denies payment. ANd if, like me, you have chronic conditions, you're not going to get insurance at any price. Then, if you have employer health...
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- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
ya good point Mary. My Cobra premiums if I lost my job are insane!
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
The first Inaugural yet-to-be-named Stay N' Alive Podcast, 8:30pm MST. Discuss here live during the show:
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http://ustream.tv/channel... is where you can watch and listen live
- Jesse Stay
First episode featuring the esteemed early adopter and tech geek, Louis Gray, http://louisgray.com and Kirk Yuhnke, "Tech Junkie", local Tech Reporter at Fox 13 News Salt Lake City (KSTU), http://fox13now.com
- Jesse Stay
The show will be released in edited form some time at the end of the week.
- Jesse Stay
Recording will start 8:30pm MST Monday June 8
- Jesse Stay
Be sure to take the SocialToo SocialSurvey on a name for the Podcast!: http://socialtoo.com/survey...
- Jesse Stay
MST? Mountain Standard Time? I was trying to figure out if this is 5AM or 6AM my time.
- randulo
StayForAWhile? StayForAListen? StayEngaging? StayOnTheRoadDontCrashYourCarWhileListeningToMyShowKThxBai?
- DGentry
What is MST? Could you please put it in relation to UTC/GMT?
- Vlad Bobleanta
very kool. planning to attend the live feed for sure
- (jeff)isageek
Yes, a Google search reveals right away this link: http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zo... :-)
- Jesse Stay
Good luck Jesse! Looking forward to it
- Brian Watkins
I like the video of the live friendfeed stream. Sort of reminds me of the days when the BBC broadcast 'Ceefax' when their stations were off air overnight (I think they still do it occasionally now).
- Greg Gannicott
Thanks Greg - it's just a preview of tonight. I've got CamTwist all set up. I think I may just keep the FriendFeed stream running when I'm online. Perhaps if I can get a standalone Mac machine I can make it more permanent.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, I thought about the value of making your podcast tomorrow and I changed my schedule so that I can be a part of it.... I am looking forward to the event!!
- Bruce Christensen
Thanks Bruce - I appreciate you prioritizing it. Now I have a lot of pressure to make it interesting!
- Jesse Stay
T-Minus 15 minutes?
- Ken Sheppardson
That's what I'm assuming
- John E. Bredehoft
gonna miss it. good luck!
- John Wang
Watch live, http://ustream.tv/channel... - 15 minutes...
- Jesse Stay
Dude. I see your desktop.
- Ken Sheppardson
Viewer count is increasing.
- John E. Bredehoft
Ken, no, you see yourself chatting :-P
- Jesse Stay
O Hai lolz
- Ken Sheppardson
While we're waiting, dumb question - how do you get the music track to appear on the left? It looks like part of FriendFeed, but is that actually a separate app?
- John E. Bredehoft
Should we have audio at this point, i.e. music?
- Ken Sheppardson
ok i have the ustream channel up
- (jeff)isageek
no sound for me
- (jeff)isageek
Ken, not hearing music?
- Jesse Stay
nope
- Ken Sheppardson
now
- Ken Sheppardson
had to reset Ustream, sorry
- Jesse Stay
Works
- Ken Sheppardson
hearing music, hearing jesse - have to step away, i'll be dining during podcast.
- John E. Bredehoft
ok i have sound now
- (jeff)isageek
We're not listening. Don't worry.
- Ken Sheppardson
i am always listening :)
- (jeff)isageek
i have the power to hear all streams
- (jeff)isageek
You catch that iPhone interference, Jesse?
- Ken Sheppardson
we are bearing
- (jeff)isageek
it happens to everyone jesse
- (jeff)isageek
skype decides to always mess up when you really need it to work :) i have learned doing the social geeks podcast
- (jeff)isageek
must feel good to hang up on louis gray :)
- (jeff)isageek
everyone knows what louis gray looks like we dont need to see his face :)
- (jeff)isageek
but what if we want to see the twins? :)
- John E. Bredehoft
good point john
- (jeff)isageek
We're getting sombody's cell phone interference
- Ken Sheppardson
Leo does it with lots of machines :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Bingo
- Ken Sheppardson
audio only is fine with me, if that's how it ends up.
- John E. Bredehoft
you could just do irc chat for the show
- (jeff)isageek
Is that your phone, Louis?
- Ken Sheppardson
its twitter
- (jeff)isageek
Just out of curiosity, does Kirk Yunke have a FriendFeed account?
- John E. Bredehoft
we're getting interference. the standard little cell phone digital modem sorta sounding thing
- Ken Sheppardson
Oh, it's sombody's iPhone getting tweets
- Ken Sheppardson
AT&T bashing. Haven't heard any of that today... :)
- John E. Bredehoft
i enjoy hearing myself :)
- (jeff)isageek
woo hoo get out the popcorn!! showtime
- (jeff)isageek
i put the url out there
- (jeff)isageek
Your level's a little high, Louis
- Ken Sheppardson
that sounded good
- (jeff)isageek
Good, sounded like his mic was a bit hot
- Ken Sheppardson
We still need a filter for that :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
I assume we are live now?
- Louis Gray
You appear to be, yes ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
just a small blog :)
- Ryan Petty
louis also is the godfather of the interweb
- (jeff)isageek
and a ninja
- (jeff)isageek
iTunes is paused. At lest for the podcast.
- John E. Bredehoft
I like "Social Technology And You" STAY
- Louis Gray
Yeah, I think we already settled on STAY, Jesse :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
i think you should go with TWIT
- (jeff)isageek
:)
- (jeff)isageek
If not STAY, then "Twitter"
- Ken Sheppardson
or friendfeed
- (jeff)isageek
The Beatles.
- John E. Bredehoft
FFundercats
- Ken Sheppardson
haha FFundercats
- (jeff)isageek
i am on the social geeks!
- (jeff)isageek
Who is binging?
- Ken Sheppardson
cant wait till i can get a palm pre
- (jeff)isageek
I'm first or second on the waiting list at the store I went to Saturday morning. Was 24th in line, they had 25 units, and three people ahead of me bought more than one :-/
- Ken Sheppardson
yeah since i work for sprint i have to wait to get one
- (jeff)isageek
until the customers get their chance
- (jeff)isageek
The only reasy I wasn't peeved was Jon Rubenstein (Palm's Exec Chairman) and Josh Topolsky (Engadget) showed up at the store I was at :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Their marketing is sorta going in the opposite direction, Jesse
- Ken Sheppardson
The new Pre Facebook commercial - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Ken Sheppardson
During the wwdc keynote, I saw a comment from someone who asked why they were talking about Exchange so much. Definitely different audiences for the two phones (iPhone and Palm).
- John E. Bredehoft
The iPhone feels huge after you handle a Pre for a while :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
They completely rebooted their company and design in 2 years. They didn't get everything in the 1.0 release, no.
- Ken Sheppardson
That's an ActiveSync configuration issue
- Ken Sheppardson
I'm glad to see another legitimate iPhone competitor
- Ryan Petty
Your Exchange admin has to have configured the server properly for the system to work
- Ken Sheppardson
There are a ton of self-signed certs running on Exchange servers.
- Ryan Petty
There were similar issues with the Treo
- Ken Sheppardson
self portraits...
- Ken Sheppardson
ouch, his channel is called TheSocialGeek ?
- Chris Miller
You can see yourself in the mirror and line up the camera
- Ken Sheppardson
hey chris
- (jeff)isageek
Evertying 450 = $70, yes unlmited text and data
- Ken Sheppardson
That is a great price. AT&T is almost that much just for iPhone data
- Ryan Petty
yeah the social geek is close to our social geeks chris :)
- (jeff)isageek
very very close. and now we know when Louis is free to record for gosh sakes
- Chris Miller
haha
- (jeff)isageek
Speaking of small vs big company -- Palm is 900 people, Apple is ~35K
- Ken Sheppardson
You guys should put the link to the stream in the ff post title. I had to search to find where the actual stream was.
- Asad Akbar
It's not a great comparison, but Palm is sorta going after the same folks you see in the Microsoft Laptop Hunter ads
- Ken Sheppardson
Yuhnke's Tech Junkie page at Fox 13 http://www.fox13now.com/news...
- John E. Bredehoft
the compass cracks me up
- (jeff)isageek
The cheer for the compass is what cracked me up :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Chris - the names won't be the same. Don't fret. :)
- Louis Gray
I bought a 13" MacBook for a family member on Saturday. Tonight I told said family member that we'd be exchanging it.
- John E. Bredehoft
Is that a side address mic?
- Ken Sheppardson
PalmOS had TomTom a couple years ago... you just needed a Bluetooth GPS. I used to run it on my Lifedrive and Treo
- Ken Sheppardson
I wonder how long it'll take to get it on webOS
- Ken Sheppardson
Need more vespene gas
- 321
Well, the hardware can't handle it
- Ken Sheppardson
Web 2.0 Startup to take a look at: http://www.liveflows.com
- Louis Gray
Yes Ken, it is a side-address compressor mic. A pretty nice one, it's doing the trick just fine the way he has it, but I'm a nit-picky A/V geek.
- Luke Stay
Link doesn't work.
- 321
http://liveflows.com/ - correct link
- 321
dis/re-connet
- Ken Sheppardson
He's got a nice boom there, Luke... maybe he just needs a Heil PR40 ala Leo :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Jesse: BackType.com (http://www.backtype.com)
- Louis Gray
Not Conan .... but not bad! :)
- Charlie Anzman
Haha, that might be a little overkill for a webcast, Ken
- Luke Stay
How about naming the show, "Quirk of the Week?"
- Luke Stay
"Quirk of the Geek?"
- Luke Stay
Steve Jobs as a guest sounds good.
- 321
Linux
- Thomas
For Twitter quirk of the week - does a whale make a recognizable sound?
- John E. Bredehoft
Hi Mom!
- Luke Stay
How about Ellen's fish from FInding Nemo doing her whale impression
- Luke Stay
STAM
- Ken Sheppardson
can't you embed your ustream on your site
- Thomas
lol, I about fell out of my chair when I saw it
- Chris Miller
@Thomas: Yes, you can.
- 321
yes we are, had a hold with some people out
- Chris Miller
Do you realize that we are watching Jesse read right now? Jesse, is any paint drying at your house? :)
- John E. Bredehoft
We're watching Jess read what we wrote half an hour ago ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
He's almost caught up now.
- John E. Bredehoft
Let's stay ahead of him
- Ken Sheppardson
How 'bout those Lakers
- Ken Sheppardson
cool
- Thomas
If we keep typing, he'll never catch up
- Luke Stay
nice job Jesse
- Thomas King
FriendFeed for the win, Ustream needs to integrate it into their site like they did Twitter.
- 321
It's hard to talk and read at the same time ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
post show chat
- Thomas
Seriously, very good podcast. Glad it was at a later time.
- John E. Bredehoft
Yeah, nice job. Feedback via DM :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
FF DM :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Yes
- Luke Stay
you don't talk at the end, you talk at the side
- Ken Sheppardson
There are different types
- Ken Sheppardson
typically, you want a mic like that facing down, with the flat part facing you
- Luke Stay
can't see the pic.... it's, like 3/4" by 3/4"
- Ken Sheppardson
that one is pretty directional
- Luke Stay
oops i missed it! doh!
- Susan Beebe
what is your shows outline
- Thomas
get rid of the chat so we can see you and how you have it lined up
- Ken Sheppardson
i.e. get rid of pic-in-pic
- Ken Sheppardson
you're talking into the right end, you just need to make sure it's not pointed at you like a handheld would be
- Luke Stay
good job, you got the hang of the easy video flipping. we debated video but kept it out for bandwidth concerns
- Chris Miller
You also want to keep it close to your mouth
- Luke Stay
What model is it, Luke?
- Ken Sheppardson
Not sure
- Luke Stay
ustream says you can poll visitors during a show... have you figured it out?
- Thomas King
I used it for some ADR for a short I did a while back, but I don't remember what exactly it was
- Luke Stay
:-)
- Ken Sheppardson
yes
- Ken Sheppardson
what's the make/model?
- Ken Sheppardson
that sounds better
- Thomas
is that different than the one you had?
- Luke Stay
what is your show about
- Thomas
Check out this pic: http://cn1.kaboodle.com/hi...
- Ken Sheppardson
You can see the capsule behind the screen
- Ken Sheppardson
Just above the logo. Talk into it
- Ken Sheppardson
tried your social too... broken? doesn't like my twitter id
- Thomas King
looks like we're live still :)
- Susan Beebe
Susan, it's the post-show show!
- John E. Bredehoft
:-)
- Ken Sheppardson
there ya go
- Ken Sheppardson
can you hear me now
- Thomas
Luke? Whadya think?
- Ken Sheppardson
Perfect
- Luke Stay
Yeah, Jesse, just face that capsule as Ken said towards you and stay close to the mic
- Luke Stay
yeah... uh... you're talking at the back of it now
- Ken Sheppardson
you have to rotate it
- Ken Sheppardson
Lift it up, Jesse
- Luke Stay
it is. the Heil PR40 he uses is an end address. Yours is a side address
- Ken Sheppardson
ere ya go
- Ken Sheppardson
there you go
- Luke Stay
Try to find some SFW video of Howard Stern and look how he uses his. You should use yours the same way
- Luke Stay
I'm trying to start me a show on ustream, but I do not have a web cam yet
- Thomas
yup
- Thomas
Hahaha, I was waiting for that
- Luke Stay
I tell you... if you're still looking for names... I think "The Howard Stern Show with Jesse Stay" is the way to go
- Ken Sheppardson
you need my address
- Thomas
I'll take one off your hands
- Thomas
You'd get press
- Ken Sheppardson
Here you go Jesse: http://dckaleidoscope.files.wo...
- Luke Stay
Notice how close he keeps it to his face
- Luke Stay
excellent!
- Luke Stay
yeah... uh... now you just have to fix the levels
- Ken Sheppardson
Id' say not quite that close
- Ken Sheppardson
perfect
- Ken Sheppardson
It also gives you a nice leading line to your face with the boom pole
- Luke Stay
get a wireless lapel mic
- Thomas
just a suggestion
- Thomas
Wireless lapel won't give the quality he's getting now
- Luke Stay
I like the boom. It's not like you're trying to hide the fact that you're talking into a mic.
- Ken Sheppardson
Linux equivelent?
- Thomas
We should turn this into a Microphone How-to for The Mighty AfroWhitey :)
- Luke Stay
Thx for answer to iTunes question.
- John E. Bredehoft
Talk to Chuck?
- John E. Bredehoft
Wunnerful wunnerful...
- John E. Bredehoft
Full Sail
- Thomas
That's quite flattering
- Ken Sheppardson
LOL at bulge.
- John E. Bredehoft
I like what city lights did to the logo
- Luke Stay
Charles Schwab Ad style
- Ken Sheppardson
or whoever it is
- Ken Sheppardson
you read my mind
- Thomas
trippin
- Thomas
Trippin' with Stay
- Ken Sheppardson
Superman
- Luke Stay
Countdown could actually be useful in certain circumstances.
- John E. Bredehoft
I totally just had a Strongbad flashback
- Ken Sheppardson
If anyone is viewing this thread after the fact, the show has ended, but Jesse is playing with various visual effects.
- John E. Bredehoft
I saw the recording of that
- Thomas
Must watch - http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail...
- Ken Sheppardson
Why am I still watching this?
- Luke Stay
You're related. You have to watch it.
- Ken Sheppardson
whats your taste?
- Thomas
I have never heard that Stay N Alive cover that you were playing before the show when audio was off.
- John E. Bredehoft
Please do the entirety of the next show in Kaliedescope
- Ken Sheppardson
Just realized I hadn't subscribed to you yet, Ken
- Luke Stay
Thanks, DJ Stay!
- John E. Bredehoft
Why aren't you dancing?
- Luke Stay
haha nice music "stayin' alive" LOL :)
- Susan Beebe
Transition time
- Ken Sheppardson
wipes
- Ken Sheppardson
star wipe
- Ken Sheppardson
gotta run... cool kick off show!
- Susan Beebe
please tweet reminders :) for next show
- Susan Beebe
So what's the schedule? Weekly? Same bat time, same bat station?
- Ken Sheppardson
Are you going to get an on air light for your basement like the one Uncle Jesse got in Full House
- Luke Stay
Then they got locked in there but no one would come down because the light was on
- Luke Stay
good times
- Luke Stay
Can you overlay Matrix and Kaleidoscope?
- Ken Sheppardson
What is this software again?
- Ken Sheppardson
cam twist
- Thomas
"Stay Tuned"
- Ken Sheppardson
cool re time
- Ken Sheppardson
after the mike tech show
- Thomas
Alright, I should go do something productive, great show Jesse!
- Luke Stay
last.fm link to radio version of n-trance song http://www.last.fm/music...
- John E. Bredehoft
Yeah, have to check out myself. keep at it, Jesse :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
I'm gonna do something unproductive. Good show!
- John E. Bredehoft
There... I see a woman in a red dress...
- Ken Sheppardson
he's on ustream
- Thomas
he's off the air now
- Thomas
for the 7 or so people earlier today that said AT&T tethering wasnt happening.. http://www.engadget.com/2009...
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"Yuh-HUH, we are SO going to do tethering. Someday. And we're not telling how much it'll cost ya." :-)
- Josh Bancroft
Seattle tops Boston as North America's No. 2 tech spot - http://www.techflash.com/Seattle...
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Google Gets Serious About Blog Search. Look Out, Lijit! - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
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Hey Louis - wrote up my thoughts about this on my blog: http://tins.rklau.com/2009... Short version: I think that we're addressing different issues, not really solving the same problem. And Lijit's stats and content networks are pretty slick.
- Rick Klau
Rick, I will look again. Micah didn't like my approach either. Hmmm.
- Louis Gray
Ferguson takes on Krugman - http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2009...
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Man, Mankiw's really got it in for Krugman these days... although frankly I think Krugman has it coming to him.
- Christopher Smith
To my 39,000 followers on friendfeed I pass you 39,000 kisses. Considering only 11,841 people live in Half Moon Bay, where I currently live, I think that's pretty cool. Oh, and I don't ghost post like Guy Kawasaki does. Every single post here and on Twitter is written by me and me alone. Well, except for that time that Arrington got my iPhone...
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Redirects from Friendfeed to Twitter count as "written" as well.
- Louis Gray
...he typed "I am an idiot." Ahh, the fun we have with each other.
- Robert Scoble
So.......... I didn't get a kiss from Scoble?... *sigh*...
- Johnny Worthington
*blush*
- Rodfather
I never had any doubt that your a real person and not a team of PR agents. And thank you for checking out my blog. (Sorry it's crap)
- dthree
Robert - The kiss thing's kind of scary - a hug's fine... :)
- Jim Connolly
Got a post into the "Best of the day" for the first time today and now I've been kissed goodnight by Scoble. Be still my beating heart.
- Sharon McPherson
Really a nice firm handshake will suffice ...
- Brent - Loving Life
Saying posts are human-authored is precisely what a bot or ghost writer would say, now isn't it?
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
Thanks for the kisses - and all those other stuffs.
- Chris Loft
Robert: Are you running for Friendfeed's mayorship position? might be interesting...
- Nir Ben Yona
Nir: mayor? Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
hahaha wave as you leave port :)
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
from fftogo
To all those Robert-Scoble-followers: you can get some kisses from me too. Although I live in Amsterdam (600.000 inhabitants) it kind of felt like I had to experience that feeling too. Thank you Robert, for sharing this. :-)
- Ton Zijp
I will like the post but pass on the kisses... thnx :)
- ralphsaunders
Awww - party at Robert's house! :)
- jcunwired
Go see if my childhood house still stands in Half Moon Bay- 335 Filbert St. When i was there there were about 4 streets total it seemed, one stop light, and you ran through a field to get to the cliff that overlooked the beach.
- Steve C
Thanks!
- Sue Radd
Yea! Robert Scoble is the best! ❤ - We've been adopted!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Don't we have to go out for lunch first? ;)
- metalerik
You kissed a boy and you liked it...... ;-)
- Scott W.
Beso's back at ya dude
- JuneM
Aw shucks! how sweet, :) Robert loves <3 his FF buddies and we love him back! :)
- Susan Beebe
Did you ever see the movie with Paul Newman 'Judge Roy Bean' The reason I ask BoBo is I would like to call you BoBO. If I may! But the demise of BoBO was the great part! Tell me you saw it!
- ZuDfunck
LOL...Death to all Ghost Posters!! J/k, Kawasaki is cool, but Scoble is über cool!
- Harold Cabezas
Guy Kawasaki is a duche... all he does is find lame links... say bla bla and links to alltop. Who the hell wants to go to a news website. That is so web 1.0 hasn't he heard of rss?
- Kasper Retvig
Feelin the love over here in Idaho.
- Robert Freeze
Robert, I unsubscribed and unfollowed Guy just the other day because he just doesn't 'engage'. There is next to no conversation from him/his PR agents, and pretty well everything is just links back to his websites. I have no problem with people marketing their websites, but I want conversations, not just link vomit.
- Travis Koger
Aww, and I'm not even in SF right now! Hola desde la pintoreca Buenos Aires.
- Jesse Hattabaugh
Charlene Li and I were just comparing notes about Microsoft's Bing. She raves about these things:
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1. She is writing a blog post up about it now. I beat her to it cause, well, friendfeed is faster.
- Robert Scoble
lol!
- Taylor Marek
2. She liked how she gets cash back. Was raving about getting up to 25% back on some computer purchases she made this week.
- Robert Scoble
3. She says the travel search functionality is better than Kayak or other travel search engines.
- Robert Scoble
Steve Rubel, Steve Gillmor and I were talking about Blogging "feeling slow". It's part of the core of Steve's comments on RSS.
- Louis Gray
hmm
- Taylor Marek
Louis: the reason it "feels" slow is because you have to write your whole post before you publish. Using friendfeed I can post my thoughts iteratively (and with participation from everyone in the world) and that is a LOT faster.
- Robert Scoble
You're hitting on something powerful Robert. :)
- Taylor Marek
Is this a case of social media scooping blogs out?...
- Taylor Marek
The bandwidth in the hotel we're at really sucks, by the way, so hope she'll get her post up (we're going on an aircraft carrier tomorrow).
- Robert Scoble
Taylor: I don't think so. Charlene is big in social media too. It's just that lots of those types are still stuck on Twitter, where you can't "bundle" your thoughts together into something that resembles a post.
- Robert Scoble
This is one thing of friendfeed I like (instant responses), both you and Daniel B. turned me on to this idea...
- Taylor Marek
4. She too praised the video search engine.
- Robert Scoble
Blogging "feels slow" because it is hard work to create a coherent, structured argument that can be rapidly understood by readers. Sometimes an argument requires a little thought to construct, and is more convincing when linked to other supporting URLs and posts. Can't believe I'm making an effort to "defend" blogging here...LOL
- Elliott Ng
True, there is that end as well. I was just pointing at the speed side of things. :)
- Taylor Marek
I do wish I could "wikify" a post. I have resorted to changing the authorship of a post so that different people can contribute to it.
- Elliott Ng
I also agree with Robert's point that you have to keep hitting the POST button to publish...there should be a better way to liveblog.
- Elliott Ng
Charlene did say that it won't be a "Google killer" but that it will hit Google where it hurts, by taking some of the best searchers that Google has and bringing them over to Microsoft. Also, she told me that Microsoft has tons of users who are still loyal to Hotmail and if they can convert some of those hundreds of millions of people to Bing that Bing will do very well for Microsoft.
- Robert Scoble
BTW, Parislemon broke the news: Bing.com could be 病 (bing4) "Disease" in Chinese. I think that's Branding FAIL IMHO.
- Elliott Ng
Does Bing have an email client?
- Bob Heath
From what I could see in the video, it looks very promising and I'm interested in what I can do when unleashed.
- Taylor Marek
Its a valid strategy for MSFT to go "vertical" and tackle specific sets of highly valuable search queries...e.g. shopping, cars, travel, local, video, etc...and they can just suck their own network traffic in to feed the engine. But this is a "small" play and doesn't seem to reach out beyond its own network to challenge Google's hegemonic role in the center of discovery/search.
- Elliott Ng
BTW, i believe (needs confirmation) that Bing Travel is based on Farecast (which they acquired last year for something like $120 mm) and Farecast, like Kayak, are both powered by an travel metasearch infrastructure provider ITA Software (again needs confirmation). So the search results should be pretty close in quality and comprehensiveness.
- Elliott Ng
So, why is Google Wave getting a ton more PR than Bing? Easy. She says that Bing is an incremental improvement where Wave is a totally new thing. Google is going after Microsoft in other places (she praises Google's Docs and Spreadsheets, for instance) and the competition is interesting but Google is making the bigger moves, so gets more PR. What do you think?
- Robert Scoble
Totally agree with that last comment Robert. Bing seems very incremental and actually they have been pursuing the "vertical search" strategy for a while. Curious to see what ever happened to semantic search and Powerset. Maybe they are doing cool stuff and just keeping quiet about it because no one wants to hear about semantic anymore...too many broken promises, too overhyped.
- Elliott Ng
Wave is a the hot new product...and the dynamic between MSFT and GOOG is now purposely set up as a dialectic. American culture loves these moments, david v goliath etc...it just fits the narrative so well.
- Zachary Adam Cohen
Elliott: I agree, blogging in the realtime world feels slow but you can get complex arguments across much more clearly. In realtime it's much harder to be heard. I bet by the time I've typed this out on my iPhone a load of comments have followed yours and people joining in will have to really look hard to find the comment I'm replying to. That's more a limitation of FriendFeed but my point is realtime is 'shout shout shout', whereas blog posts can stand alone as blocks of clear, concise news or opinion.
- Martin Bryant
How does Bing compare to Cuil?
- dthree
+1 Martin Bryant.
- Elliott Ng
IMHO cashback does not help. Online shoppers are smart, they get the best deal from where it is for a given item. Once that transaction is done its done. Unless you are selling the actual items and build a brand like Amazon you cannot build community to keep coming back. You cannot build search users by giving cashback on product purchases, you get search users by improving search.
- Kiran Patchigolla
Nice to visit the 3D world of FriendFeed threaded realtime discussions. Back to the 2D flatland of Twitter for me now. :)
- Elliott Ng
FriendFeed is dead. Wave will put it to shame. FF has advantages and disadvantages vis a vis Twitter (liking & comments an advantage, limited adoption/more complexity are disadvantages). Twitter is customized content delivery, Wave is seamless discussion, and FF is their awkward cousin. I'm not leaving; I'm just saying.
- Chris Spizzirri
It's kinda like GNU - BING expands to BING Is Not Google :)
- Yuvi
David Darrow, be nice. :)
- Matt Cutts
Chris: there is a disturbance in the force, that's for sure! I can't wait to try it myself. Maybe this is the new shiny thing. Hey, how come a new one always seems to come out right about when I get 40,000 followers? ;-)
- Robert Scoble
@Robert I know that I would love to be playing with this one very much but chances are I'll be stuck with the rest of the rubes waiting until it goes public :)
- Steven Hodson
Steven: me too. Funny how many people who I've run into today who are familiar with it. I was invited to be at Microsoft today but decided to go on the aircraft carrier instead.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert that would have definitely been a hard choice but damn an aircraft carrier .. how often do you get to go on one of those in your lifetime .. that would be like me being invited to Google or MS <snicker>
- Steven Hodson
Chris: I don't think Wave kills FriendFeed. FriendFeed can integrate themselves into Wave very easily. They could even reimplement it whole cloth on top of Wave. But it will make it easier for competition to spring up offering the same or better features. I'm saying this everywhere but realtime web is the future. FriendFeed has a head start. Hopefully they can leverage that.
- invariant - farewell FF
Funny how many wave comments there are on this bing post.
- dthree
Steven: I've been to both Google and MS and they are sorta like aircraft carriers except without the cool planes and the ocean and the nuclear power plant. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble, You do realise that this all thread is you praising Wave core features: rapid conversation merged into publishing, integrated comments, low bandwidth demands?
- Bertil Hatt
Bertil: The difference is that Bing will be with use on June 3 ;)
- Nicholas James
Seth Godin is the top social media blogger? Give me a break. He doesn't participate. Chris Brogan wins in my view. - http://www.noop.nl/2009...
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I think that Seth is the top marketer blogger.
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
from IM
although as you said he doesn't participate.
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
from IM
i think its based on a number of stats Scoble, rather than participation. But of course, i'm just pleased we're in the top 20 of the list :)
- Zee.
Zee: stats are lies.
- Robert Scoble
well they make me feel good :)
- Zee.
Zee: Seth Godin is a great guy, great author, great speaker, very well known, etc. But no way is he the top social media blogger.
- Robert Scoble
Agreed. Like Godin's insight but he isnt regular enough. Also really like Jeremiah!
- Richard Zeidel
I subscribe to Seth's blog and have yet to figure out why there is such a fuss about him. Chris seems to put more effort into his posts and write things of significance.
- Chris Luckhardt
lol but what do u mean with the stats zee?
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
from IM
Often attributed to Mark Twain: "There are lies, damn lies and statistics."
- CAJ, somewhere else
have you subscribed to us yet Scoble? Would love you to give us a chance for a couple of weeks. Think you'll be highly impressed
- Zee.
Seth is good for those little sparks that get your own thinking going. But yeah, wouldn't put him in the top SM blogger category.
- Virante
Richard: yeah, Jeremiah should be in top two or three yet. Zee: I'm following you here on friendfeed, is that what you mean?
- Robert Scoble
sorry i mean at TheNextWeb.com - check out our recent content, i'm sure you'll be impressed.
- Zee.
Zee: what's the friendfeed URL?
- Robert Scoble
If you turn off comments (engagement) and blog about engagement (with comments off) then you get lots of linketylinks (Google love) in. Helps with those stats :)
- Laurel Papworth
@virante agree with you. I think Seth is more intellectual from Brogan and he is not social media blogger. And I don't say that Brogan isn't great! In fact, he is!
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
from IM
Love your post. I stopped following Seth a while ago for the same reason. He does not participate in the conversation. He writes posts high above from the mountain of Social Media Gods (SMG).
- John Flynn
http://friendfeed.com/thenext... and we have a group with content from all over here: http://friendfeed.com/the-nex... (nearly 6000 members)
- Zee.
The # of people he follows and learns from is an indicator as to his view of his role in the conversation...I mean monologue,
- Kevin Murray
In fact, thinking about it, it is hard to pick between Brogan and Owyang. I should have named both.
- Robert Scoble
Agreed. Great stuff, but Seth's not interested in conversation. Since that's the case, how can he possibly rate high in the social media space?
- Leo Bottary
I like the perspective Seth brings to Social Media, but I agree that he's not participating as much as others. How are we defining "top"?
- Joel Zehring
I think the behaviors of many people claiming to be the "best" of something will be monitored more closely now that FF is around ... I watch the number of people "these bloggers" subscribe to and watch for their participation ...
- LPH™ and his dog P™
methinks that Seth is not blogging about Social Media, but about marketing.
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
from IM
That list doesn't seem particularly focused. Bunch of great sites there that don't seem SM to me. I can't believe they didn't run them past me first. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
Joel: the blog that made this list is using popularity ranking algorithms. Judging people by popularity will take you down a bad path.
- Robert Scoble
Seth is like God. He disappears for a long time then pops up with the old miracle. He's a good helicopter view of what's going on whilst people like Scobles and Chris Brogran are the day to day practioneers. You need both.
- Ross McMinn
Definitely Brogan is much better. I think Godin is miscategorized here. That said he's not conversing much in any space, just thinking out loud, which is great, but not so much social.
- Bailey McCann
I think we need universal portable influence metric - something peer mediated - micro celebrities need community validation.
- Richard Zeidel
Zee would be in the conversation. At least if I were having the conversation.
- Matthew DeVries
I don't even know Chris Brogan - maybe I should..
- Arnaldo M Pereira
I like it that Seth doesn't participate in everything. It makes it easier to follow him. Has anyone tried to email him or connect through his "Tribes" projects?
- Joel Zehring
what apostolos said. seth is marketing, not social media.
- James
Joel, that's like saying Chuck Nevitt is the best basketball player, because he's so easy to follow, cause most of the time he's on the bench, and the 3 minutes a season he got to play, he moved very slowly.
- Matthew DeVries
Arnaldo M Pereira: Check out Chris here ==> http://friendfeed.com/chrisbr... He's very active.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Exactly, Social Media and Seth Godin? WTF? And how come RWW team is not in the 1st three?
- Sasha Kovaliov(.com)
lol +1 to Matthew
- Bailey McCann
I'd say Amber Mac would be up there, but I guess she's more like the little girl who gets every freakin new toy on the planet the day it comes out, tells everyone it's a great toy, then tosses it aside, and goes back to playing with movable type.
- Matthew DeVries
Good guy, but last I checked Seth doesn't even tweet!
- Ryan Miller
from Nambu
Ryan: we were on a radio show together and he told me he doesn't Tweet. I tried to get him on friendfeed and he didn't have any part of that.
- Robert Scoble
Seth is tops in several areas....just not social media; not even close..I'm sure he would agree
- Daniel Kenney
agreed scoble.
- Ted Bradford II
Seth is definitely a top blogger..but because social media is about conversation, then you're right...others have a right to that honor.
- Bill Reichart
Seth is a snake oil salesman, but Chris Brogan sees him as a role model. I've predicted that Chris will be the first to Tweet from the Lincoln bedroom in the White House.
- paul mooney
Maybe they should call him the top social media spammer. He's broadcast-only. Woot for Chris Brogan though.
- Dave Saunders
+1 with taryn930
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
from IM
Seth Godin uses email primarily to respond to people - he doesnt believe in the other media and he has explained that in some of his interviews. Chris Brogan on the other hand uses social media channels extensively and in my opinion should rank higher as a social media exponent.
- Mahesh Patwardhan
blogger or not.. moot question... is seth a good "social network" or "web2.0" (as much as i dislike that term!!!) media personality... *no* he's hardly a participant - he's more a "dictactor" - one way communication (mostly)... still worth reading i guess if you're into that sort of marketing guffy stuff (i'm only into technical stuff :) ...
- simran
I like Chris Brogan and Perry Belcher too!
- Vicki Z Lauter
I agree that Seth, smart as he is, is not representative of social media blogging. Having said that, what makes us so sure Chris Brogan, and I love Chris, Or Jeremiah, who I also love, are more engaged than Susie from Detroit? Because their numbers are higher hence the stats ranking. Why are their numbers higher? Because they're sort of viral. I often wonder how people become popular....
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- Sheryl
Chris Brogan I know about and I follow on Twitter and FF, I just Googled Seth Godin, wasn't sure who he was....
- Mike Nencetti
I don't feel like I should weigh in or anything, but I wanted you to know I'm listening and I'm here. I really love what Seth does. I read him religiously. He's NOT a social media blogger. He writes about marketing. That said, he writes about the part of social media that matters to me: how humans can be more human. So, to me, he's still #1, because he's writing about humans, and that's...
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- Chris Brogan
see what I was tolding ya? 1) Seth is not a social media blogger 2) both Chris and Seth are the best on what they do ;-)
- Apostolos Papadopoulos
from IM
For the record, Wolverine is the best at what he does. I'm just a working schlub.
- Chris Brogan
I like and respect what both Chris and Seth have to say tremendously. Not sure I care that much about who is the "top" blogger or whatever because either way I'm gonna keep reading their stuff and learning.
- Miguel Rodriguez
I do appreciate that Chris is present here (hi Chris!) and feel that his participation in "the discussion" adds another dimension to his insights. I wonder sometimes why Seth limits his interaction. When he's on camera being interviewed, such as by @loic most recently, he seems quite comfortable.. why that comfort doesn't extend to places like FF and twitter I am still scratching my head over.
- Miguel Rodriguez
Seth reminds me of Yoda, Chris reminds me of Obiwan. First one's cool, simple, philosophical, and ass-kicking. Second one's down to earth, practical, trained in highly useful Jedi stabs for day to day fights. Follow both, learn from both.
- waraney rawung
How would you classify Gary Vaynerchuck in the Marketing/Social Media environments?
- Owen Greaves
I watched a video of Seth essentially saying that much of social networking is superficial. http://blog.angelaconnor.com/2009...
- Angela
waraney - I think you nailed it :-)
- PXLated
I had an interesting connection w/ Seth. Back when I was doing Biznik Live interviews, Seth's answer was to ask about our listener numbers. ("10k gets my attention"...Understandable from a guy who is #5 in Google out of 3 billion hits for "blog") However, when I sent him a video of Bizniks discussing Tribes, he liked that & agreed to an interview. It was an experimental brady-bunch style video interview on the importance of Tribes in business. Edited version: http://tinyurl.com/r9f9qz
- Leif Hansen
@ChrisBrogan I bet being compared to ObiWan just made your day ;) I think I'm probably more like Luke -whiny guy with father-figure issues who gradually grows into his vocation through the grace/luck of the force and of friends and some serious hard knocks with his own dark side. Though I've got plenty of Solo juice flowing through my veins as well :)
- Leif Hansen
I agree with Chris, but Chris and Jeremiah are still up there IMO, especially when it comes to Social Media specifically.
- Jesse Stay
Apart from the fact Chris Brogan is hardly even here lol
- Rob Sellen :o)
Is Gary V. on that list?
- Jesse Stay
That's my point...shouldn't he be on the list?
- Owen Greaves
But seriously, oranges are so much better than apples. Come on guys...
- Leif Hansen
We know Scoble doesn't like lists. He really doesn't like those where it's easy to find holes in the lists. If this were written as "200 Social Media Blogs" with stats, and without rankings, it'd be easier. I was just surprised to see I was included at all.
- Louis Gray
But Louis, You are a legend here :)
- Owen Greaves
Great point about Godin not participating. In my niche there are some "experts" who have huge following numbers, but follow very few themselves. If you don't interact with your followers are you really participating in the conversation?
- Richard Byrne
Godin doesn't need to participate... he has sneezers. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
@Rob Sellen - Yeah, I'm not really deep into FriendFeed. I use it, and try to stay on top, and I get that lots of people say it's a big next stage. This is where Seth and I agree and are somewhat alike: we both believe you don't have to be present at EVERY conversation at every touchpoint. He picks his places; I pick mine. I just find the velocity of the social web to be more my speed. He likes email. No foul.
- Chris Brogan
Nothing wrong with that... ;o) .. just thought it odd for someone to say somone is the top social media blogger and not be in the social media sites itself... after all, that's exactly what scoble has said in the title here ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
concur - chris brogan is the man
- mike "glemak" dunn
Why Mike, do you think that? what is it that Chris does that's so different to anyone else?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Not a chance. And Seth doesn't make it as top marketing blogger either.
- AJ Kohn
@Rob - oh, I'm in tons of social media sites. I just don't spend all 14 of my working hours in each one. I don't use Utterli, Plurk, Jaiku, Hyves, Orkut, Digg, Sphinn, and 300 other folks either.
- Chris Brogan
like scoble you mean? or was that 7 hours lol? I never said you weren't in any, just that scoble posted that here... and you are not here as much, nor is seth.. so scoble to me was just replacing one for another, if that makes any sense? :o/
- Rob Sellen :o)
Woot woot "Seth Godin is the top social media blogger?" - nawwwwww.. he's the world's biggest liar.. hey after all he did write "all marketers are liars" !! He connectes with people because of his views and he also disconnects to people b'coz of that too.. As for interaction and collobrative particiaption.. hes got his nose still stuck n da air.. yeah Chris wins hands down !
- Peter Dawson
One thing I will say about Seth, ha can say a lot in few words... other times he says things that are a bit broad... but if it makes you think, that is the point. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
So Scoble chose FriendFeed. I've chosen Twitter. He also really loved the hell out of Facebook and used it up. I didn't. Which tools you use doesn't make you a better or worse social media person. How you get the job done counts the most to me.
- Chris Brogan
I agree... just thought it odd in the context of friendfeed you know. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Agree Chris. Darth Maul's double-edged sabre is as useful as Yoda's tiny one. I'm a beginner at social media, and trying to keep in touch with what's new and what's useful. You, Scoble, Seth and many others have been very helpful for a rookie like me.
- waraney rawung
What is a social media blogger, and why don't I get on this list? I've been doing this longer and better than any of you guys. Geez Louise what's a guy gotta do to get a little recognition.
- Dave Winer
Which reminds me, a lot of early adopters in Indonesia are using FriendFeed, but they're not really into discussions in FF. On the contrary, geeks in Indonesia love and are very active in Twitter and Plurk (sometimes behaving differently in each site), with Facebook as their personal online central nerve.
- waraney rawung
It's all subjective anyway. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
@DaveWiner - here here. You're who *I* read, anyhow. : )
- Chris Brogan
shouldn't that be "hear hear" sorry... lol. that's coming from a deaf bloke! ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
@Rob - Beats me... what do I know? : )
- Chris Brogan
I wouldn't even call Seth a top marketing blogger, jeez
- Sally Church
lol... I see that alot, and wonder if it should really be hear hear... makes more sense that would. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I think it probably is. Like "hear hear" me?
- Chris Brogan
yeah, what I was thinking...even if I can't "hear hear"" lol... . ah well. we learn sommat new everyday...
- Rob Sellen :o)
Gotta run, Rob. Thanks for the chat hidden in Robert's rant. : )
- Chris Brogan
lol.. welcome mate.... hang on.. does Robert NOT rant? ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
The 'what tools you use' debate is interesting. While I agree that, as long as you get the job done, the tools don't matter, there's also the ability to understand new paradigms. It's difficult to talk about and grok something without really immersing yourself in it. I didn't get blogging until I really did it. Ditto Twitter. Certainly FriendFeed. They *are* different ... meaningful...
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- AJ Kohn
I really like the comment on social media being about connection vs. the technology that allows it to take place. That is one reason I enjoy friendfeed so much more than twitter & even facebook. Much easier to connect and join conversations with people. I find myself looking at stats of who I am listening to much less in here than twitter. The result, better conversations, more...
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- Kevin Murray
I think Seth is great at what he does, I'm just not sure "Social Media Blogger" is the right description. Perhaps evidence that that's not his focus is that a conversation of this magnitude can go on without his commenting/participating. For anyone interested, here's a post from my blog about something recent I have disagreed with Godin about: http://tinyurl.com/po62js
- Brian Broveleit
Chris Brogan rocks!
- Morten Blaabjerg
thats ok Morten..as long as it's not while sat in the corner on his own ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
lol - what's so impressive about @chrisbrogan is that he responds - or at least gives the impression that he does. He works like a maniac. And he _gets_ what _it_ is. This makes his posts small gems of insights, even the less revolutionary ones.
- Morten Blaabjerg
lol "gives the impression that he does" - what does that even mean morten?
- mike "glemak" dunn
Agreed that Chis walks the talk and puts out great stuff.
- John Blossom
Seth Godin is practical and sees through the hype - something that most social media commentators are guilty of.
- BLOGBloke
Social Networking/Media Sites Staying Relevant: (humor) http://www.youtube.com/watch...&
- Kevin Murray
Seth may be an expert in his own realm. Social media is certainly not it, but I have heard Seth make some valuable points about how to not use social media. Obviously Chris is doing something right, as evidenced by showing up to speak him mind, and pay Seth some respect. You gotta respect guys like Chris, Robert, Dave, and Louis (who are the ones on the tip of my tongue right now) -...
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Ditto Robert! What is it with the "online marketing copywriters" all wanting to act like they're the top social media bloggers now? Oh... that's right... social media is the hip thing! Thus they flock to it. I respect Seth for particular forms of copy writing, but lots of better social media bloggers... like Chris Brogan, like Leslie Poston, like you, and others.
- Arleen Boyd
I agree Robert. (And thank you, Arleen *blushes*) Mahalo
- Leslie Poston
Amen x heaps! Seth is a genius... but certainly doesn't spring to mind in the context of "top" in social media. Chris is for sure in my top 5!!
- Mari Smith
Chris Brogan is the best example of what bloggers should try to achieve, IMO. Like any great writer, his stuff is worth reading even if you are not close tot he subject of a particular post. That means a lot.
- randulo
Agreed. Seth stuff is good, but he does he even get social media?
- Warren Whitlock
@glemak There are limits to one's attention span when you've got a lot around your ears (like Chris has) but it means a lot that you give the impression that you're listening and responding, even though you may not always be on your high marks. Noone can be. It's only human. But appearances still matter and are greatly appreciated. Chris is good at that too.
- Morten Blaabjerg
gotcha - level of attention
- mike "glemak" dunn
Thanks to those who mentioned me. Scoble is for sure one I looked up to and still do.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah isnt the best at what he does - he's just the only one who does it! ;) - let's not be exclusionary - thank you to all the top minds for sharing.
- Richard Zeidel
I think Chris Brogan is THE man. Many of the social media experts are now engaging only with those who are also 'experts' and not with the new comers or followers. Brogan, on the other hand, very rarely to missed a conversation. As for marketing bloggers, I still stand behind Kyle Lacy as the best one.
- Gambit Fauri
Seth "gets" social media tools but he is not the top participant--where Chris is. I am dubious, however, of claims that Seth is not a conversationalist. Have you ever sent him an email? He personally takes time to respond to every email thoughtfully and quickly, which is more than I can say for a number of social media stars (or even myself).
- Jeremy Floyd
Lately I have been reading more of Chris has to say, that said does it really matter who is the top?
- Chet Woodside
SCOBLEIZER - Do you grant variance from the "No deleting your comments and altering the thread mother fuckers" rule if you're doing it simply to kill a thread from your "My Discussions" filter so it stops popping like popcorn on your notifier?
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: that is an interesting problem. I wish clicking "hide" were good enough for that.
- Robert Scoble
As do I.
- Matthew DeVries
Godin doesn't allow 2-way participation, thus negating the openness principle of social media (no replies on his blog, not on twitter). He's just repurposed the blog to act as a writing platform for material for his books. He's very tactic based and without a huge depth of substance, but that's what people like; though it's not necessarily good for them.
- Aaron Shields
as a technologist, focused on emerging media yet appreciating the fine art of marketing - i learn little from seth (noise) and tons from chris (signal) - that's my experience of course, your mileage may vary ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Our flying Dutchman makes the Reich Museum look like a tourist trap. Should be on the top 5 things to do when you are in Amsterdam. Very bright, clear thinker. If you ever get fired for being "too open with your ideas" Chris you can work for me!
- Chad Harris
Agreed, Brogan all the way.
- Jim Gaudet
Brogan is amazing
- Peter Efland
Chris Brogan is an active interlocutor in ways Godin isn't. Still, who is #1 isn't as important as who is providing content that you need. I respect Godin. Have read lot of his books. But still, Brogan is my fav.
- Prof. Pamela Hood
Seth is a pure-play Social Media thought leader. Chris participates in the SM stream so he gets my respect for walking the walk and talking the talk.
- Michael McDermott
I'll give props to Chris Brogan in this so-called "social media" space, insightful, valuable, interesting. And I will give a lifetime achievement award to Dave Winer, I was reading Scripting News BEFORE the word "blog" was coined by EvHead and MegNut. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Winer "teach" you how to blog Scoble? One thing that continues to exist that I wish would go away, but probably never will is this whole "leaderboard" mentality... is there some contest? <sigh>
- .LAG liked that
I agree with Scoble, Chris is here in the trenches and impressively dedicated.
- anthonycospito
Methinks Brogan is sending his cousins over here. :-)
- BLOGBloke
In my view the better a Blogger is the more comments they will receive. Seth Godin does not even have comments enabled on his blog.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Shows how "social" he is at the very least. I don't completely agree that a blogger needs to receive comments to be "better" - but you can't really be a "social" media blogger without being "social".
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Glympse vs. Google Latitude in location sharing battle - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
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Glympse definitely adds something to the service. I would like to see customization of public notification based on geography - If you don't want to advertise the location of your home, shade off a portion of the map that includes Half Moon Bay. Add to this auto-tweets when just going online and offline ("Robert has just shown up on Tasman Drive in Milpitas" | "Robert is off the grid") and it starts to get very useful.
- jcunwired
Blocking things out just makes them more interesting. It might actually get someone to physically stalk you just to see what you're hiding at the end of your trips every night.
- Robert Scoble
wow, commenting on friend via your blog Robert. These are good business applications, but like you said, most people are concerned about their privacy...
- Anthony Farrior
I think most people do not want to indiscriminately share their location automatically at all times, even with a wide group of 'friends'. Not storing history is important (like Latitude and Loopt), and easily being able to announce a location while staying off the grid the rest of the time is important.
- LogEx
Like a firewall, shouldn't you block everything and just define the areas you want to be trackable in?
- Jim Bergman
Latitude doesn't always update in real time for me, hope this is an improvement
- AJ Leon
Jim - similar to my suggestion. There should be private zones and public zones definable by user. I'm not so much concerned with myself, but the privacy of others and their locations. Lets say I tweet "Having dinner at my fiancee's house", anyone in my contacts list can now get that exact location, adding significantly more risk to an unknown party's privacy.
- jcunwired
Very cool. I like that the service uses no traditional accounts (to send or receive), so it's very simple to use and easy to share. So like if I went hiking, I could post the glimpse url to FriendFeed for all to watch my progress.
- Daniel Sims
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Biz writes, "Every time someone wrote a reply Twitter had to check and see what each of their followers' reply setting was and then manifest that tweet accordingly in their timeline—this was the most expensive work the database was doing and it was causing other features to degrade."
- Louis Gray
But on FriendFeed, every time you see an update, FriendFeed checks if you subscribe to someone, and if you have hidden any service, or even any specific blog from any service.
- Louis Gray
FriendFeed knows when you post an update who can see it and who can't see it, based on who is following, and what services they have opted into or out of. And when you think of how many different ways the database has to be set, the unlimited power is very impressive.
- Louis Gray
FriendFeed checks by list, by service, by name of service, and can even check by if something is liked or not, how many times, has comments, and how many, and who from, if you use the search. There is a ton of data behind the data.
- Louis Gray
Math is hard </barbie>. Sorry, but this seems like a serious cop out to me. If FF can design the DB to function as quickly as it does with as many selection parameters, surely Twitter could do the same (if, that is, they have the proper backend platform to do so, and it doesn't look like they do).
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
And yet, FriendFeed continues to add features and have near-flawless uptime without slowness.
- Louis Gray
I agree...it is a major copout. We have been using that technique in online chat systems since the early 1980's. It is not difficult and does not take as much power as @biz seems to be implying.
- Semipro
"near-flawless uptime without slowness"? You can't be serious…
- Glen Campbell, esq.
I am serious. They had downtime last week, and that was a blip. And what slowness, Glen? (Referring to FriendFeed)
- Louis Gray
Their whole feed was delayed several hours last night!
- Glen Campbell, esq.
Twitter's was. Not FriendFeed's.
- Louis Gray
my bad — I thought you were talking about Twitter
- Glen Campbell, esq.
My comments should have run together. Tina helpfully interrupted. :)
- Louis Gray
Yeah, the "And yet, they continue..." sorta started down the road to Ambiguity.
- Ken Sheppardson
Please accept my abject apology and a free libation of your choice at our next (first?) meeting
- Glen Campbell, esq.
(Edited for clarity) and Glen, look forward to that happening.
- Louis Gray
@ in the middle must be a lot less frequent than @ at the beginning thus saving processing power
- Matsis
But a beginning @ is index 0, there's no seek time compared to an any position @.
- Micah Wittman
also I believe a fair comparison would be twitter removing the @ replies to all (lame) with FF removing FoaF entries from lists other than the home feed. And twitter search is real time - that's probably eating up processing power
- Matsis
Good point re: Friend of a Friend, Matsis. FriendFeed already has to check if you have it enabled or not, and then if you have it enabled for a specific friend or not, and then, execute. I neglected to mention that.
- Louis Gray
Leather: When the "see all @ replies" was an option, Twitter had to decide how to handle @ replies (whether to propagate the tweet to you or to hide it, depending on your setting), which is expensive to the database. So, either they make everybody see all @ replies (which changes the setting of 98% of the users), or they sacrifice the 2%
- Andre P. Siregar
Micah I think twitter's point was that they didn't want to go check the setting (too much work for them) so they removed it. We b*itched and moaned so they gave back something less than what was. Or in other words, if the feature is available, and Oprah has a back and forth with aplusk (say replies 10-15 times), twitter dies. Also what Andre said :)
- Matsis
This is a good lesson for all comp sci students. The @-reply was not a feature Twitter had when they first launched. It's sort of a hack from the community that later got incorporated. But the architecture didn't anticipate this feature. And now it's hard to change the foundation when the house has been built
- Andre P. Siregar
Andre, I also think it's fair to say (many have stated this many times) that the whole of twitter's original architecture wasn't built with the anticipation of its current use.
- Micah Wittman
I think it all has to do with the schema-less design on top of MySQL FriendFeed is using. They're simply making smarter choices ahead of time, rather than reactive choices.
- Jesse Stay
So, by the presumed logic, no one's going to a see any new features that involves a follower dependent setting regarding anything tweet in stream. Well, ok then.
- Micah Wittman
Jesse, I have no doubt Friendfeed made smarter design decisions. When Twitter started the whole micro-blogging thing nobody really knew back then how it was going to grow and be used (now Twitter is much more than just about "I'm having lunch"). So when Friendfeed started, I'm sure they took some lessons learned from Twitter and others
- Andre P. Siregar
Micah, yes regarding Twitter's original architecture. IIRC, Digg went through the same re-architecting exercise a few years back when their users started to skyrocket.
- Andre P. Siregar
It's typical to have to re-architect a system once you realize how much the userbase is skyrocketing. Ideally you've constructed it in such a way so that you can rip out modular pieces and replace them as necessary. It seems to me that the whole of Twitter's backend is a much more serially constructed system, which is why they have to have complete system outages still now at three...
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Leather, here is what Bret talked about for their MySQL implementation: http://bret.appspot.com/entry...
- Louis Gray
This thread is fascinating. I'm learning.
- joey
And though I wasn't on Twitter to see it, Robert suggests that they've been seeing these problems since he had about 1500 followers.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob: that's absolutely true. Twitter was crashing even back in 2006. The architecture they chose was always horrid. It's getting better, actually, but still is having sizeable problems. Friendfeed has been down twice, once for an hour, and once for more than an hour because of a power failure that took down the entire data center. (At least that I remember). Twitter seems like it was down every day in 2008 and even this week has been down more than friendfeed has ever been down.
- Robert Scoble
It's hard to compare the two systems DB functionality because of the lower traffic FriendFeed has compared to Twitter.
- Rick Cogley
Rick, you can compare them based on the time of their lifespan though, and FriendFeed is doing much, much better. See the interview Scoble and I did with them last year when they had a very similar user-base to FriendFeed's.
- Jesse Stay
Rick: absolutely NOT true. Friendfeed today has MUCH higher traffic than Twitter did two years ago.
- Robert Scoble
It is easy to look at the total user base and make excuses for Twitter, but what I'm talking about is the fact that FriendFeed is accomplishing much more complex tasks, and not missing a beat. Even when they are 10 times bigger than they are today, I expect they will scale smoothly, because of their talent and their track record.
- Louis Gray
Leather: I'm assuming the difference is with the amount of WRITE operation in the database (which is much more expensive than parsing)
- Andre P. Siregar
I would love to read how friendfeed has architected itself to avoid the problems twitter is having.
- ian kennedy
Traffic may be one thing, but I would venture to guess the activity in the database is higher in FF than in Twitter for the same number of users
- Andre P. Siregar
ian: on friendfeed there is more metadata to study and filter with. I can say "show me all items that mention Obama" on both services, but only on friendfeed can I also say "and display only those items that have a like or more." That is how friendfeed can remove a major amount of spam (and I use it all the time). Spam doesn't get likes. Another way?
- Robert Scoble
On friendfeed I can delete any comment underneath one of my items. So I can help keep my corner of friendfeed clean. And if I see any underneath, say, your items, I can let you know about it. But what about on Twitter? We can't do shit about spam except report it and hope that @biz or someone gets to it.
- Robert Scoble
Leather: Twitter is more than three years old. Friendfeed is just about 1.5 years old. You aren't factoring that in. Go and compare the two services all along at the same age. I don't compare my 1.5 year old to a three year old, and neither should you. That's a HUGE mistake you are making.
- Robert Scoble
When Twitter was 1.5 years old it had fewer users than friendfeed and was FAR LESS COMPLEX yet it was going down about 100 times more often than friendfeed is today. Twitter's architecture was NEVER thought out very well and we're still seeing the artifacts of that.
- Robert Scoble
Leather: I'm comparing friendfeed today to where Twitter was 1.5 years ago.
- Robert Scoble
Leather: true, but friendfeed is a LOT more complex than Twitter ever was and it also has more users than Twitter did when Twitter was 1.5 years old.
- Robert Scoble
Leather: then what are you arguing with me about? Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble, yes the filtering on advanced searches is impressive (it even supports simple exclusions). I am impressed that they can keep it all running with every page updating in*real*time. Is each page an open session?
- ian kennedy
ian: I believe it is. Leather: go to compete.com or any traffic site and compare. But adjust the dates.
- Robert Scoble
Leather: keep in mind I've been on Twitter 907 days and I'm not going to do your homework for you. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Louis, you're absolutely correct about FF accomplishing much more complex tasks much more effortlessly. Overall the leaders of this team are more effective. We had a saying back when I was consulting ISP startups "The network IS the business plan" In an online business that depends entirely on its systems for potential revenues, the architecture of the network becomes a model for the...
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Leather: believe me, Twitter didn't grow that fast until the last year. The first two years Twitter grew slower than friendfeed did and had a TON more problems (and was even less complex).
- Robert Scoble
Leather: 900 != 700. Heheh. That's a huge number of days in this world. And, anyway, both traffic and complexity are higher on friendfeed and amount of time down is MUCH lower here. So, by either metric friendfeed is winning HUGE.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, here's the screen capture from Compete.com: http://twitpic.com/57bgl Y'all seem to be forgetting about non-Twitter-account web traffic. FF is flat; Twitter skyrockets. And yes, FF is "younger" but is built on top of Twitter so it did not start from the same "zero" point -- nor does it have as many API calls -- nor is it as accessible off-the-laptop (iPhones excepted).
- Kathy E Gill
Kathy: you have NOT shifted the graph to show equivilent times. At 4/2009 Friendfeed is STILL far younger than Twitter was at 4/2008. Shift the graphs and come back. Also, at 1.5 years into its life Twitter didn't have that many apps either and Twitter's API is far more simplistic than friendfeed's is. Twitter didn't take off until after it was two years old. Friendfeed is already growing faster. And who cares what it is built on top of? Twitter was built on top of blogs and we don't hold that against it.
- Robert Scoble
Kathy: Benjamin Golub of FF wrote fftogo.com. FriendFeed on any phone.
- Johnny Worthington
Twitter started March 21, 2006. Friendfeed started October 1, 2007. You must shift the charts to compare apples to apples.
- Robert Scoble
I just don't understand why it's so hard to compare apples to apples. If you want to compare the two companies, you have to compare them at similar stages in their lifecycles. it's really simple.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob: because our tools make it hard to do the comparison. But I was there and saw how Twitter grew. Twitter was crashing before it even got to the famous SXSW and I only had something like 1000 followers then (and that was in March of 2007).
- Robert Scoble
I use fftogo almost every day. and I use the IM on the other days (twitter isn't really even sophisticated enough to keep their IM service running)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Not to mention email
- Johnny Worthington
I don't know about that Robert. We can grok how to compare money from today to money in 1920. We should be able to adjust stats about companies in our brains. We don't compare the revenues of a 3yo company to the revenues of a 30yo company, right (unless the 3yo is performing Outrageously). I haven't heard a single person disagree with what you've said about "the old days" of twitter either. So I can only assume that it must be true. These problems don't sneak up on a company.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob: Twitter's management will admit they've always had technical problems. Remember, their architect was fired (Blair) and @ev admitted that it was a test project that they never expected to get so big.
- Robert Scoble
Ok, well the first step to getting well is admitting you have a problem, right? Never expecting a thing to get so big is a lack of vision, and not a very good quality for a management team IMO. Since they never expected it, and now that it is, they should be stepping aside as they are certainly no longer qualified to lead it. And THAT is the true sign of success of management teams....
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Choose Success, not failure. But, it's interesting to note that "fail whale" and twitter are synonymous. Fail is practically in the name. And that needs to be corrected. It affects team spirit and morale, and causes it to become a vicious cycle.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob: you have to go back in @ev's history, though. Remember when he started Pyra? They made Blogger. Remember how often it was down? A lot, just like Twitter. How slow it was? Very. How much spam it had? A lot, just like Twitter. Yet it made Ev a lot of money, just like Twitter will. So, since he's been down this path before, why not repeat? It actually doesn't make sense to over...
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- Robert Scoble
And that's where I come back to the lack of vision. If you "aren't sure" then you don't have the vision. You're right that it doesn't make sense to over engineer something if you have doubts, but if you have doubts, why jack with it? But in some sense it does make sense to over engineer things, because in a pinch you can often sell the company for the technology that's running it to someone who has a different vision for it, someone who knows what to do with what you've built.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Robert, I was talking about now, but I see your point about comparing two years ago. However, it's still hard to compare two different systems, different db's, different programming languages, different ways of indexing data, etc, in my opinion. It's pretty apparent that FF has been very stable, comparatively, however.
- Rick Cogley
lots of testosterone on this thread, did we at least all agree that twitter's "organic architecture" sucks now just like it did from inception & friendfeeds "designed architecture" should scale nicely just like it has from inception?
- mike "glemak" dunn
Mike, yes, agreed on that. ;-)
- Rick Cogley
FriendFeed enthusiasts in Scoble's network agree that it's better than Twitter! Film at 11.
- Christian Crumlish
What do you think of the new xing features and iterative redesign today? #xing
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- Ryan Petty
To all you friendfeeders who tell me to create lists and filters: No! I'm busy and therefore lazy. I want a system that will learn from me, rather than me having to teach it. What say you?
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friendfeed is not the system you seek.
- Alex Scoble
I slightly mean this in jest, but as a reaction to the comments in here http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Jeremiah Owyang
I agree, actually.
- Helen Sventitsky
Jeremiah you're just lazy ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Jeremiah: I just want to share my lists with you. That way I can do the hard work and you can be lazy. :-)
- Robert Scoble
jeremiah - i started w/ lists when they first were offered by friendfeed awhile ago, i view it as one of its strongest features, great way to categorization those whose presence you follow, then i drop in and out of interactivity based on my availability :)
- mike "glemak" dunn
robert - it would be nice to share lists, i also miss the ability to expand lists which went away in the beta
- mike "glemak" dunn
mike: all the old features better come back before they move the beta over to the real site. I am finding some of these little missing things very frustrating.
- Robert Scoble
I'm still not using lists. Filters are great, and very easy.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
That's why I'm using filters that other people have created. I don't have to do the work, and I still get to use it.
- Elizabeth Parmeter
The problem then would be that you, or others, would complain that the system is "learning incorrectly" and giving you what you don't want. A little effort is always necessary to achieve refined customization.
- Nathan Chase
Eric: the best thing I ever did here was create a list. The signal level there is 100x better than my "everyone" list.
- Robert Scoble
I don't understand: if anyone else were making this statement, or if it were about anything else (say, email and folders) no one would be offering to make his email folders for him. No one would say email should learn from him.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
FF does learn from you; that's what FoF is; but to expect it to do it all independent of effort (or even at least trying prepackaged filters)???? I suppose some people really are fans of getting exercise vicariously too, but I don't understand them either.
- David HC Soul
Jeremiah, Facebook's old model did this. It quasi-intelligently took many variables into account (many of them user-tweakable through customization) and displayed the old (pre-Friendfeed clone) Home page... taking into account the things users liked, disliked, geographic regions, and I'm sure many other factors that are undisclosed. Yet, Facebook (for the worse, IMHO) has abandoned this model in favor of the "drink from the fire hose" model of twitter.
- tollie williams
I'm too lazy to read all the comments. Scoble will you summarize?
- Jeremiah Owyang
Didn't Facebook try that once?
- Jesse Stay
Owyang: Do you have a toilet integrated with your lazy-boy, by chance?
- coldbrew
Coldbrew, if you revealed your real name, do you think your attitude will change to a non-sucky one? You're really rude.
- Mona Nomura
Johnny Worthington's consulting services are required here. He educated me on these manners. I now have a pretty decent system going!
- Mike Nayyar
But the point is, list / filter creations should not be complicated. Most users are too lazy. And I agree with Jeremiah.
- Mona Nomura
<- Frustrated that this thread is rehashing the first thread. Building a sub list and [Like]ing items is plenty of effort in and of itself to inform a BoD list. The current FF "lists" feature is great but doesn't need to be a prerequisite for useful Best of Day content.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Daniel - I didn't understand any of that LOL
- Mona Nomura
Mona - Jeremiah doesn't want to do *more* work (i.e. creating lists). He's already implicitly agreed to the work of subscribing to FFers and clicking [Like] on the occasional FF item. That body of work should be more than enough for an intelligent FriendFeed Best of Day recommendation engine to give him the news he needs. Lists are great for completely separate reasons and while they provide a workaround to the Best of Day problem they are not an excuse for shortcomings of the Best of Day page.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I totally agree. You are lazy.
- AJ Batac
Seriously, you are looking for something like a complex learning algorithm similar to Amazon's recommendation engine
- AJ Batac
FTR I agree with Jeremiah as well. I'm just playing devils advocate. Jeremiah is the least lazy of almost anyone I know.
- Jesse Stay
It's not an easy problem AJ, just an obvious one. Surely you think Paul et al are up to the task...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I agree, but I seem to be in a minority. I think people should be categorized for me. Either by the system or my their own choosing. If I disagree with where they put themselves, I can make modifications after the fact.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Daniel, agree. I'm sure Paul and team are up to the task. But this takes time.
- AJ Batac
well I want a Ferrari , but I think both of us are pretty much out of luck
- Kim Landwehr
It also kinda sucks that Jeremiah had to start a new thread to refresh the discussion spawned by the old one. The vastly longer discussions enabled by the beta interface are quickly exposing the weak points in the single-thread conversation UI we're given.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
It's way too much to sift through, frankly.
- Mona Nomura
coldbrew, right. and i have the fridge and microwave next to me so i NEVER have to move.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Mona: If you weren't so full of yourself do you think you might be able to understand that some people appreciate some separation between public and private lives? My point was that lazy_as_a_lifestyle has a point at which it becomes ridiculous, what my username is irrelevant no matter what you write. Sorry I can't conform to your way of doing things. Let me guess, I'm using FF incorrectly?
- coldbrew
Owyang: Awesome! Have you seen the Homer Simpson trick of how to get your beer to you from the other end of the coffee table?
- coldbrew
Coldbrew: I gives you a hug. *jeremiah hugs coldbrew*. :) Btw, I really need a cold brew! *jeremiah reaches over from lazy boy to fridge*
- Jeremiah Owyang
Brew: (since you call me "owyang") no, send me URL to hopefully a youtube video of said Homer trick.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah working from home: http://haacked.com/images... (I kid, I kid!)
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Daniel, no THIS is me working at home http://fotosa.ru/stock_p...
- Jeremiah Owyang
I think it's a rare case that Jeremiah even gets to be at home.
- Jesse Stay
While I have no problems creating lists etc, I do agree that FF (or any such tool) ought to be able to start getting intelligent about what i like based on the metadata that I leave on the site
- Anand Sharma
I'd like to think a learn filter could be helpful, but I wonder how well that works on scale, Facebook certainly fails on their new friend recommendations as it auto assumes I want to fan what my friends have fanned.
- Patrick Boegel
Facebook also fails to remember when I tell it once that I really don't want to friend this person it's suggesting. Why do I even bother clicking if it's just going to come back next session? What happens when I up/downvote sidebar ads? They're training me to do all of this crap but I see no persistent results that I can directly connect to my actions.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Agreed Daniel they have a huge problem with those sidebar votes, they are not getting more relevant in general.
- Patrick Boegel
I totally agree with this. Friendfeed already knows who are my eight favourite friendfeeders, so why not let me create a list or feed or whatever that is literally "give me only the stuff from my top x buddies"? That would solve it.
- Marcos Marado
from fftogo
You want something to learn from you... without you teaching it. Hmmm... Is this some sort of Cylon technology we haven't heard of?
- Bwana ☠
Well, there's always Techmeme
- Bwana ☠
@Bwana - i think the personalized version would be called Mememe
- Daniel J. Pritchett
You can create all the filters and lists you want, if you're not following the right people, it's all futile. From your original post, it looks like you don't like the people you chose to follow. So if creating lists/filters is too hard, how about unfollowing those that bother you? Too hard?
- Bwana ☠
I'll wager Jeremiah's problem is more that he follows people with interesting jobs who don't always share interesting links. If Scoble [Like]s a lolcat, should it show up on my feed or not?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Using FeedScrub on some of my RSS feeds definitely makes them more focused. Piping FF via FeedScrub seems v. clunky though.
- Yan
The only way a lazy person can use FriendFeed is to use Techmeme
- Bwana ☠
Social media platforms that don't develop powerful recommender systems for news, discussions and people are going to disappear quickly from the scene. Friendfeed needs to do much more much more quickly on this front. Feedly is already making important strides forward in refining its news recommender system.
- Sean McBride
Developers and software companies that argue that people shouldn't be too lazy to perform tasks that could be performed by software are in the wrong business. Few of them survive in a competitive environment which rewards products that automate human tasks (like finding the most relevant information for a particular person in a particular situation). (Actually, none of them have the slightest chance of surviving -- they don't seem to get what software is all about: more work, less effort.)
- Sean McBride
I love Friendfeed beta the way it's currently designed with real-time updates, infinite filtering options, and ever-updated conversations around topics of the day. That being said, I don't think it will ever reach mass adoption unless it significantly automates the discovery of content or presents a significantly dumbed-down version of what it is. It is too powerful a tool to be adopted en masse. Too much chaos expecting to be ordered. Not everyone's IQ is Scobleized.
- Ryan Miller
Ryan FF is for the outliers. It's not going to be a mainstream tool in it's current configuration. I don't recommend many clients to use it.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Here's a question, does FriendFeed have to go mainstream to succeed?
- Bwana ☠
Depends, Bwana. I don't know about you, but I'm having a dollar a month worth of fun on FF and would certainly pay that.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Bwana. No it doesn't have to go mainstream to succeed. BTW: most of the employees are ex-googlers, many who have cashed out. This appears to be a a labor of love
- Jeremiah Owyang
Bwana, that's a great question. I've got a lot of real life friends over here from Twitter but cannot get them conversing. They prefer convos on Twitter or Facebook.
- Sally Church
I agree, that would be nice I suppose, but what would that learning be based upon? It's almost impossible to have a system learn from people who are predominately lurkers for example.
- David Leip
from Nambu
C'mon Jeremiah, give it a try!
- Mike Reynolds
jeremiah - i do the opposite, i've been recommending friendfeed to our editors and j-school's i've spoken at recently as a great example of an emerging tool that easily allows content publishing, filtering and conversation tracking...
- mike "glemak" dunn
@Scobleizer - can I have your lists? I spend plenty of time in Google Reader, Twitter, & FB but could learn much more w/ your lists.
- Courtney Engle
Courtney: nope. I am too lazy. :-(
- Robert Scoble
lists are better than no lists. period.
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Bwana: despite not the desired solution, unfollowing people is a possibility. Yet, the issue remains: if friendfeed knows who are those I read the most from those whom I follow, why don't friendfeed tell me who are those who I should unsubscribe?
- Marcos Marado
I also had some troubles to set my lists & filters. Not that I am lazy (not for that ;-) but I didn't know how to proceed, what was the methodology to make efficient filters : reduce the noise and improve signal.
- Stanislas Jourdan
Fortunately, a friend helped me showing his own lists and filters. (thanks Jérôme!)
- Stanislas Jourdan
Do you go to Google and magically have the results for what you're thinking about appear?
- AJ Kohn
Pritchett: Most of us got that from the beginning and simply took the opportunity to give him a hard time. Others, took it way too seriously, weighed-in and acted as if they are the product manager. I know, internet IS serious biz.
- coldbrew
Bah, the comment that predicated my last 2-3 comments has vanished, making me look slightly nuts. I'll cut mine to clean the thread. Sorry coldbrew.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Single best list to create: pick your five most interesting Friendfeeders and make a list of just their likes. Incredible signal to noise ratio.
- Leo Laporte
Leo Laporte -- it would be extremely easy for Friendfeed to automate the algorithm you just mentioned as part of a Friendfeed news recommender system. Most Friendfeed users are not going to take the trouble to create this filter by hand. But they would click on a single button to produce a ranked list of the new/unread items that are most personally relevant and globally important for them.
- Sean McBride
I too have laziness in excess, and am not inclined to create filters and lists. Some kind of learning algorithm that delivers only the content I desire would indeed make the whole system more streamlined for me personally. Such code is, of course, the holy grail of pretty much all content providers and distributors. Maybe friendfeed will take us there one day, or perhaps google will, or even an as-yet-unstarted company, but each day without it brings us closer to it.
- Slappy Line
Exactly waiting for drop down lists & a manageable UI to make list making understandable/manageable, we're not the one's coding here. Further the filter options are inadequate to say the least
- sofarsoShawn
Slippy 2.0 -- Feedly is already there, leaving Friendfeed and Google Reader well behind the curve. I've come to the conclusion that Friendfeed and Google Reader just don't get the news recommendation thing (although I still admire and use them for other features). There is a good chance that FF and GR will suffer the same fate as Bloglines.
- Sean McBride
It's easy. Click on the name of someone you like. On the right you'll see their number of "likes." Click that. Then subscribe to it. For best results put it in a list called "Likes" that you can then just click it in your list of lists on the right. Whenever I see someone with good taste in likes I add them to that list. Surfaces everything interesting very quickly.
- Leo Laporte
Like that tip Leo - thanks
- Iain
LOL check out the Beginner's room: that tip is in their and many others abound
- sofarsoShawn
Leo: I created a "Likes" list of a few of my favorites in the early days of the beta. However, the UI doesn't allow me to manage the like subscriptions using the (add/remove friends) link for the list. I can neither subscribe, unsubscribe, or simply list the likes on my list. This is a problem to me. It's my favorite list, but it's tainted by this UI bug. A cool, yet unexpected, feature is that it's available on the current production site as well.
- Anthony K. Valley ©
I hadn't noticed that Anthony. You can't manage Like lists! Weird. That's a serious bug. I'll submit that to the bug room.
- Leo Laporte
I prefer to make my own list and categories, I found that many times when the list is made through an site or algorithm, a lot is missed or assumed. Besides I am not sure what the list would be based on unless it is likes. That brings up another problem, that many times when I click on like, it means I thought the article was interesting, not that I necessary liked the subject. Plus not I am assuming that many people don't necessarily use like a lot.
- Kim Landwehr
prefer my own lists and filters, but it would sure be nice to have an easy to find collection of some of the best ones for several different areas of interest. Then lazy people could use those, and more importantly newbies could find high signal, and quality people to subscribe to, as well as quality examples of how to make powerful filters.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
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