I don't really care about stuff that's outside of my friend group. My friends are already pretty good at bringing me good stuff from outside the group anyway.
- Robert Scoble
This would get rid of all spam and bad actors. Or almost all, assuming you don't follow spammers.
- Robert Scoble
Robert's initial first comment was "be right back", as a placeholder to keep the first slot while he composed his real first comment. Zee was responding to that
- Ken Sheppardson
And it would bring back Techmeme-quality results because it would be based on people you follow and verify. Oh, and even better? The new list feature in Twitter will let you build different kinds of searches.
- Robert Scoble
Ken: but the people I'm following ARE most people and most of them are following too many to keep track of trends themselves.
- Robert Scoble
Most of the 5,000 people you're following are following thousands? I'd love to see the actual numbers behind that... you've done some analysis?
- Ken Sheppardson
want a screenshot of your feed how it looks like?
- ffcode
agreed - that type of search filtering would not only be useful, but the whole point of social network information sharing - using my friends as my distributed search engine for things I am interested in
- Arthur Coleman
ffcode you want me to send you a screenshot?
- Robert Scoble
Ken: informal analysis. I hand followed each of the people I'm following and looked at their following behavior. It is rare to find someone who is following fewer than 200 people now. At least amongst early adopter tech influencers that I like to follow.
- Robert Scoble
Hm... There's an API call to retrieve a list of users a given user is following... would be simple to do a full-blown check....
- Ken Sheppardson
to build a list is also difficult as i have learned from the little experience i have had
- ffcode
StatusSearch did a non-realtime version of this, but they appear to have scratched it at the moment.
- Steve Farnworth
With viewpointapp.com; we are doing real time relevance and filtering within the people you follow. Search and trends sounds like a great idea. We will see what we can come up with!
- Jay
from ViewPoint
It would be interesting to see if the trends differ than the trends posted on the Twitter home page. I'm sure it would correlate to the size of your sample.
- Mattb4rd
I might, Robert. Also, I hope the voice you hear in your head when you read my comments here isn't snide and snarky. I'm genuinely curious about this from a tech standpoint. :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
I've wanted something like this for a long time. I guess I just assumed that it was obvious enough that someone (maybe even Twitter) would already be working on it. Maybe we'll take it up as a side project.
- Ryan Kuder
I think this would be very useful. Twitter Times is going in this direction but right now it doesn't have search or trending topics. Their main focus now seems to be aggregating links/stories (techmeme-style) that are popular among the people that you're following. Here's my personalized Twitter Times page: http://www.twittertim.es/mdoeff
- Mike Doeff
What is being overlooked here and to which I believe I heard mention that Twitter was building in-house was the ability to trend against any topic/individual in the network. Perfect for gaining market feedback on competition outside of your network.
- Gregory Hanson
Granted, it's a little off topic as the main point of the thread was for people you follow, but building an open trending app would broaden market appeal.
- Gregory Hanson
That would be a good tool. But wouldn't it be cool if you got a pair of tech guys, built it out and returned to raise VC money yourself? :) Stop giving away your free ideas!
- Louis Gray
I would love a Twitter-like Top 10 Trends (or 20 or 25) here on FF. I'd be curious to see the difference. Though I'm still pretty new here but people told me you can sort of simulate trends for yourself?
- Christopher Annunziata
from FreshFeed
Louis: I tried building new app at NPR last Friday and I decided I suck at it. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I've been enjoying the "search my timeline" feature in the Tweetie 2 iPhone app -- looking forward to the desktop client getting that feature as well. Totally agree with Robert, though: It seems like search/trends among the people i'm following has an incredible about of value to a user. A user like me.
- Ryan Sholin
Mike Lizun: Works ok though it'd be better if you made trending topics at least 2 words (trending topics always seem to be 2-3 words). I get a lot of one-words that don't give me much. The trend should follow a longer duration of time as well. I am following 2000+ and only see a few tweets for certain trending terms.
- beersage
yeah, i built out the search concept but saw Twitter announce they're doing it. decided to stick to other concepts and chase the $ elsewhere. thanks for the validation of a good idea though
- Gregory Hanson
Wouldn't something similar be interesting on FB or any social network for that matter? Is Twitter more interesting due to the volume of tweets?
- Dave Hodson
Twitter needs to incorporate this in the API, IMHO.
- Dennis Jernberg
Sounds to me like something Facebook would do if they implemented trends.
- James Harnedy
Good idea about the "Trending" element, Robert. As far as search, really FriendFeed got pretty close if only their import of Twitter friends could have been more complete (not just those already on FF). Stands to reason that the FF guys could have added a trending functionality, Alas... BTW, I just noticed that at ~ 2,500 subscriptions on FF, the "Add To List" pop-up craps out. No more...
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- Alex Schleber
Yeah you r right, there exists no twitter trends just for your tweet stream/tweet inbox (tweets you receive from other people).
- TrafficBug
Actually we have. http://journotwit.com - take a look at the Tag clouds. Also running http://uktjpr.com for the UK technology journalists and PR community so you can see what's happening right now in UK technology.
- Dan Monsieurle
Rebooting the News at ONA Jay did the show alone--bootstrapping the audio recording--and here it is. The participants pitched in to help. You can hear 18 different voices describing elements of the rebooted system of news. Ev Williams of Twitter on the List Also at ONA, Ev Williams, CEO of Twitter, was asked about criticims of the Suggested Users List by people like Robert Scoble and Dave Winer. In the course of explaining the Suggested Users List Ev said, "we don't think it's our job to editorialize." And he went on to explain that Twitter will soon introduce a new feature: the ability for users to create their own lists of suggested users, which other users could add in a single click. Dave: "They've had better ways of doing the Suggested Users List since before they started doing it...They screwed up the only authority system they had." Jay: The longer I have studied open systems, the more I realize that the only way they come to work is if three things emerge along with the open...
Thanks for the mention, Jay! Sometime soon I'll try to elaborate on the very old idea I mentioned in show #27: A uniform system for gathering structured data from the people formerly known as the audience.
- Ryan Sholin
You know what we need most, is a visual on that... like, let's see the web form.
- Jay Rosen
This was a special--and unusual--episode of Rebooting the News. Dave Winer and Jay Rosen were scheduled to do a live version of the show at the Online News Association conference in San Francisco, but, sadly, Dave's father died the night before. He had to return to New York to attend to family matters. So Jay did the show on his own with a live audience of 35 people. He decided to ask anyone who raised his or her hand to describe "an element of the rebooted system of news," and that became Rebooting the News #27. Condolences to Dave on the loss of his father. (His post is here.) Special thanks to Zack Seward of Nieman Lab who handled the mic, and to Greg Linch who videotaped the session. The following people can be heard on the show, which runs 65 minutes: Burt Herman, former John S. Knight fellow, Stanford University Daniel Bachhuber, executive director, CoPress Vindu Goel, deputy technology editor, New York Times Rachel Elson, managing editor, CBS MoneyWatch Russ Walker, executive...
Sadly, Dave's father did the night before. He had to return to New York to attend to family matters. So Jay did the show on his own with a live audience of 35 people. He decided to ask anyone who raised his or her hand to describe "an element of the rebooted system of news," and that became Rebooting the News #27.
- Jay Rosen
Condolences to Dave on the loss of his father. (His post is http://www.scripting.com/stories... ) Special thanks to Zack Seward of Nieman Lab who handled the mic, and to Greg Linch who videotaped the session.
- Jay Rosen
The following people can be heard on the show, which runs 65 minutes:
- Jay Rosen
* Burt Herman, former John S. Knight fellow, Standford University * Daniel Bachhuber, executive director, CoPress * Vindu Goel, deputy technology editor, New York Times * Rachel Elson, managing editor, CBS MoneyWatch * Russ Walker, executive editor, Grist
- Jay Rosen
Andrew Lih, visiting professor, University of Southern California * Alfred Hermida, assistant professor, University of British Columbia * Danny Dougherty, senior association/web and graphics editor Stateline * Kurt Cagle, managing editor, XML.com * Chris Tolles, CEO, Topix
- Jay Rosen
* Matt Thompson, interim online community manager, Knight Foundation * Giles Wilson, BBC online * Ryan Sholin, director of news innovation, Publish2 * Noah Sloss, communications manager, Commonweal Institute
- Jay Rosen
* Noah Sloss, communications manager, Commonweal Institute * Margaret Rosas, founder and chief strategist, Quiddities * Zach Seward, assistant editor, Nieman Journalism Lab * Mason Lee, CEO, Borange * Jere Hester, director, NYCity News Service, CUNY Graduate School of Journalism
- Jay Rosen
For those interested in the video, there have been audio syncing problems due to speed differences in the video and audio recordings (done separately for various reasons). I'll post the link here when it's ready.
- Greg Linch
"Made using red velvet raspberry cake, french vanilla cream cheese frosting and a chocolate brain, baking extraordinaire Pamela created these awesome Brain Cupcakes, perfect for zombies who’ve gone vegetarian. The extra little splatter gives it that “just scooped out of the skull” look."
- April Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
I find nfl.com fascinating. Isn't this site siphoning users from the websites of the NFL's broadcast partners (ESPN, CBS, FOX)? And they have no ads, so it doesn't seem like they're monetizing it...
- Carter Rabasa
There will be a live, in-person, face-to-face (audience participation included) Rebooting the News with Jay Rosen, Saturday Oct. 3 at the Hilton San Francisco 4:00 pm, in the Union Square 15 & 16 room and YOU're invited. The room holds about 40. Dave Winer's dad died last night so he won't be there. I will be and others rebooting the news will be.
The we are in is called Union Square 15 & 16. It's on the 4th floor of Tower Three at the Hilton. If you're a journalist, or a start-up, or just someone with new media dreams, you are welcome. You don't have to be a member of Online News Association or an official participant in the conference, just come.
- Jay Rosen
Dave and I paid for the room ourselves, so that's why we can say that without fear of contradiction. Address: 333 O'Farrell Street, San Francisco, California, United States 94102 Tel: 1-415-771-1400 http://www1.hilton.com/en_US...
- Jay Rosen
I'll bet that's the Hilton on O'Farrell. Wish I could get down there (3 hours away). Your timing makes it tempting.
- USelaine
Thank you Jay, I'm planning on attending.
- Peter Mullen
"I have been in the Internet media space for 16 years and will start by stating the obvious: The CPM has done more to stunt innovation and drag down quality products than any single thing on the Internet. Maybe it works in other mediums, but it sure as hell doesn’t work on the Internet. Having been both a small and big publisher (now small again), it’s been my experience that the collective focus on CPMs and counting eyeballs by marketers, agencies, and publishers has led to a whole mess of unintended consequences that have produced a series of “solutions” that work for none of those parties. And perhaps more importantly, it’s been terrible for users." (Via Mark Hartnett, who is on freaking fire this week.)
- Will Sullivan
But this is interesting: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/technol... "Dr Cokley said aside from imagery, he was disappointed to see most Queensland media outlets silence their citizen contributors. "What was missing though was the commentary of the citizen supporters. I saw very little of that in terms of what...
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- Bora Zivkovic
This is an exemplary editorial from the Grand Rapids Press welcoming @TheRapidian, a citizen journalism site, to the local news scene http://www.mlive.com/opinion... No snark, no hostility, no insinuation that the "only the pros know" and a sense that in the rebooted system of news such sites will be a valuable part of the ecosystem
Is there a place where someone's been collecting the links to all the new rebooted news/media endeavors? Like a list of interesting new experiments, hyperlocal news sites, blogs that took over when the paper died, etc.?
- Bora Zivkovic
I hope this was not the reason your subscibed to me Robert. It's not like I'm the tech pundit of the cosmos, But i have a few ideas that you californians totally missed the boat on.
- Cjay
I wonder if anyone is working on a good curation system for the real time web. So far I haven't seen one that puts it all together.
- Robert Scoble
I don't quite get it... Does a curation system create a topic and then you are able to drag in bits and pieces from other sources?
- Nicholas Orr
Congratulations on your son, Robert! Is it true he is RSS? Just to clarify, are you saying that this is a service and a client/reader that allows all your tweets, photos, posts, and all the comments from all of those show up in one place?
- Susie Wee
This sounds a bit like Gist to me. Only problem, is that Gist is complete brain overload and as it offers so much it kind of becomes useless. Not to say that it won't get better or someone else won't do it better.
- redeye
redeye: nope, Gist is great for keeping track of people. An important part of curation, for sure, but not the important parts.
- Robert Scoble
I also didn't get it. Is that something like your post in friendfeed and then all related content from all the other services (photos, videos, facebook comments...) are like comments threaded under?
- Martin Adamek
Susie: yes, our new son's name is Ryan Soroush Scoble.
- Robert Scoble
thinking about it some more - kinda sounds like Google Wave + Robots...
- Nicholas Orr
Nicholas: except I haven't seen a really great publishing tool in Google Wave yet. Certainly nothing that comes up to the quality of Tumblr or Posterous. And I haven't seen a great Twitter reader in it yet either.
- Robert Scoble
Martin: right. Except my curation tool would NOT have a forum turned on underneath like FriendFeed does (by default). It would be optional. FriendFeed got so close it isn't even funny!
- Robert Scoble
Yeah true - I was really thinking about the concept of a wave and it's replay/edit abilities - they seem like good things to have...
- Nicholas Orr
Robert, you're not trying to centralize things that can't/shouldn't be centralized are you (as in conversations) ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
Alexander: hmm, I'm trying to get one place to post all my thoughts on what's coming across my screens. So far the industry hasn't given me that.
- Robert Scoble
I understand the need. You can already post in one place, but the problem is that not everyone follows you at that one place, right? I personally kinda like that conversation is distributed and hard to catch. It's like real life. Before you know it we will have aggregators that aggregate other aggregators that....
- Alexander van Elsas
Alexander: actually I don't know of some place that lets me put everything I do into one place. Not nicely, at least.
- Robert Scoble
I've seen a few dozen real good Real Time curation tools over the years. Onespot had one geared towards the blogosphere. Nowpublic, I think it was, has a tool geared towards journalists trying to decipher the twitterstream
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
@Robert. You are right (FF got close). That is what all these services you mention attempt. Waste of energy and duplication. It would be better if you would simply own a place on the web where you can do all that. Anyone connected to you would (if you grant them access) see your flow of information as soon as you are connected. #user-centric-web.
- Alexander van Elsas
Maybe it could be a relay - whatever comment is made on FF is made on your thing and vice versa, except your thing relays to FF,Facebook,Twitter,RSS,etc :) As Alexander says, unless people actually connect your thing the people wont see anything. Some people only know one thing..
- Nicholas Orr
@Scobleizer You are right on the Money. We need the 6 things that we like from the 6,588,555 things Check this out:... http://post.ly/5sPB
- Vasu Srinivasan
Released that yesterday -- http://docs.40twits.com/ -- not all that you describe but a lot of it. More coming in River2 possibly today. We had a good start in Radio, which I think you used.
- Dave Winer
Seems like this could be solved with a fairly simple web application that can post a selection of tweets, liked items, etc. to a blog API as a draft entry.
- Ankush Narula
Billion dollar opp is at http://www.pmex.net because gold and silver are the only thing in life that matters.
- James
Welcome Baby Ryan!!! My baby Ryan (17 years!) and I are honored to welcome another superstar to our planet! Love, hugs, and lots of kisses to Baby Ryan, Mommy Maryam, Dad Robert and big brothers Milan & Patrick and of course Grandma!!! My guess on Ryan's arrival (predication) was only 23 hours off. I thought he would arrive on Friday, Sept. 18th at 11:45 pm. Love to all, Kelly & Ryan Kim
- Kelly S. Kim
What a moment, eh? I remember when my daughter came into this world, it was so exciting there were no words for it. Congrats on your wonderful baby boy!
- Michael J. Carrasquillo
Congratulations! Welcome to the world, Ryan. :-)
- Yvette Ferry
Congratulations Robert and Maryam! And welcome Ryan. If I was having a baby today, I'd begin a blog for him/her straight away as an online diary they could look back on when grown up.
- Sandra Large
الهــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــی چقده ناز نازیه.اینو فارسی نوشتم مریم جان بخونن ....راستی به باباش که نرفته:)) خوشگلتره:)) پس به شما رفته
- joupy
I was a c-section six week preemie in an era when that was seriously life-threatening, they didn't know if I would make for the first week. It always gets me a see a c-section / preemie come howling into the world. Welcome, little guy!
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
from iPhone
Beautiful baby! Congratulations daddy man :)
- Gary
:) Congrats Robert... best wishes to your family! Get her name in twitter and ff!
- Business Blogger【ツ】™
Right ON! I am so happy for you. I have 4 kids of my own and they are my greatest joys. Take care and I hope all goes so smooth for him and mom.
- Robert Anderson
Congrats! I wish a long and healthy life.
- Muammer Okumuş
Robert, you newest addition is too freaking adorable. I hope you and Maryam are doing well. Congratulations! Here's to a long, prosperous future!
- Mike Nayyar
This trend called "coworking"--freelancers sharing a space and costs--could have implications for journalism http://editdesk.wordpress.com/2009... and the newsroom as cafe idea we've discussed before on Rebooting the News. Also called "storefront journalism."
Is this Airship Ventures in the Bay Area? I do want to do this.
- Andy Bakun
Just landed, it was amazing!! Yes this is Airship Ventures. The largest zeppelin of only 3 that exist in the world. We went out of Oakland and around SF and the bridges.
- Rachel Lea Fox
from iPhone
Let's hope it remains a strong service under the new brand. I don't do much planning or report generation with Mint (I browse them every once and a while, but the way they are setup as flash really makes them kind of hokey for anything but casual use -- that is, it would be nice to get an entire report/breakdown as a PDF, one of my credit cards does this at year's end), but it's really useful to see all my accounts at once.
- Andy Bakun
My only real complaint, and its with financial institutions and not with Mint itself, is that I wish I could easily get my financial information out of the various websites without having to provide the full-access username and password. A "remote key" or simply a downloadable dump with a read-only password would make a lot of sense here. I mean, the banks are kind of encouraging bad security and web sites like Mint by having such shitty websites themselves.
- Andy Bakun