Publish - no; read -- well, I skim it every year. More often I use the summary info to gauge how the datapile is growing.
- Bill Hooker
I read it every year in growing amazement; how can so many databases be sustained? I guess the answer is they can't. There does however seem to be a low dropout rate over the years... but I realise I've not yet read this years' issue, so maybe that tells a different story.
- Chris Rusbridge
Publish - yes (thanks to Andrew Su). Read : only the "big" ones (NCBI, etc... )
- Pierre Lindenbaum
it's not something I sit down and read cover-to-cover, but google searches often take me there on a semi-frequent basis for tools that sound relevant to my needs...
- Andrew Su
Chris, I doubt many can be sustained over a period and that's a big problem with how we fund infrastructure.
- Deepak Singh
I think I disagree a bit with Deepak on this point. I agree that many can't be sustained, but I don't think that's a problem at all. IMHO, put the tool out there, publicize it as widely as you can (and the NAR DB issue creates a great baseline playing field), and let's see how well it's used. Then it's up to the funding agencies to evaluate usage/impact (which understood, isn't an easy thing), and fund the best ones.
- Andrew Su
Andrew, that's fine, but the way we fund infrastructure is broken cause we don't appreciate it. Nothing wrong with doing something, but even if useful, there is no guarantee it's going to be funded appropriately (the correct kinds of resources).
- Deepak Singh
Plus, I think half these databases exist just for the goal of paper generation. Maybe I am being too cynical but if not half, some non-insignificant number
- Deepak Singh
Deepak, definitely agree with your second comment...
- Andrew Su
Deepak, I also completely agree with your second comment.
- Lars Juhl Jensen
I have mixed feelings about the database + web issues. It's exactly the type of content that I think is unsuited to journal article format. The resources themselves should be valued, rather than their dry, dull, traditional and rapidly-obsolete descriptions. On the other hand, in a world where merit is measured by publication, how else are bioinformaticians to gain attention? :-) If you can get it together once a year, it amounts to a free publication opportunity.
- Neil Saunders
"Google Fusion Tables is a free service for sharing and visualizing data online. It allows you to upload and share data, merge data from multiple tables into interesting derived tables, and see the most up-to-date data from all sources. The Google Fusion Tables API enables programmatic access to Google Fusion Tables content. It is an extension of Google's existing structured data capabilities for developers."
- Ruchira S. Datta
Anyone have any advice on the usefulness of Fusion tables vs Google spreadsheets vs. other online data sharing tools? This got me excited to create a list of all the factors that increase and/or decrease neurogenesis, modify new neuron physiology etc etc as a resource for scientists in my field, since the literature is getting pretty hard to sort through. I started by downloading Pubmed...
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- Jason Snyder
i do this too, except its in a salon and cost $70
- sean percival
I do this for myself, once a month, in front of the mirror. it comes out so great that people often ask me "where do you go to take an haircut?". I usually say: "I am the only customer of my barber ;-)"
- Tzury Bar Yochay
Anyone who has read jezebel.com and seen the retouch bloopers they highlight would find Moore's "no retouch done" claim to be idiotic.
- Archangel ωαřмaiden
from Bookmarklet
"Israel has admitted that pathologists harvested organs from dead Palestinians, and others without the consent of their families – a practice that it said ended in the 1990s, it emerged at the weekend."
- Itachi
from Bookmarklet
"The admission, by the former head of the country's forensic institute, followed a furious row prompted by a Swedish newspaper reporting that Israel was killing Palestinians in order to use their organs – a charge that Israel denied and called "antisemitic". "
- Itachi
I work all the way through Christmas Eve, baby; I'll take off at noon and then return in the new year, after I return from the Rose Bowl
- RAPatton
I work mon- wed then off until Jan 4
- holly
from iPhone
I work Monday, then I'm out until the 29th.
- ÉllbeeÇee
I'm working monday through thursday dayshifts.
- Beau Liening
My schedule is like Holly's. Our library in-service day is on Tuesday. For the most part, I'll be "working" Tuesday and Wednesday. On Monday the archives is open, and I know at least one person is probably coming.
- Laura Lou Who
I am working Mon, Wed and Thursday. Had a personal day I needed to take before the end of the year.
- aden
I'm "working from home" *cough* on Monday... off until the 4th after that.
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
Working Monday if the snow clears, otherwise a personal day. Working Tues-Weds. Unpaid furlough day Thurs, off Christmas. Furlough day New Years Eve. yay.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
Assuming the snow goes away before Wednesday, I'm supposed to work Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday, but then I'm off until Jan 4. My wife is supposed to work Monday, Tuesday and half a day Wednesday.
- Curtiss Grymala
from iPhone
Mr has to work mon & tues. He'll drive home tues night.
- R1CC1
I work every work day except Christmas.
- Derek Coward
I'm working five hours each day Monday to Thursday, Christmas Day off and then four hours on Boxing Day (wooo double time and a half)
- Bryce Roney
Working full days Mon/Tues, a half day Wed, off for Christmas Eve and Christmas, as well as the weekend. Then it's the same for the following week (though I was originally going to have it off), with days off on New Years Eve and New Years Day.
- Penguin It's Cold Outside
I do and am grateful....at least, I hope I get to work. ;)
- Melanie Reed
i do! monday through wednesday. it's ok, though, as i expect it to be very quiet, so i should be able to finish a project i've been dragging my feet on.
- Katie
At work! And not a single customer for the first hour. :( Gonna be a long day.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
"When you are famous it is hard to work on small problems. This is what did Shannon in. After information theory, what do you do for an encore? The great scientists often make this error. They fail to continue to plant the little acorns from which the mighty oak trees grow. They try to get the big thing right off. And that isn't the way things go. So that is another reason why you find that when you get early recognition it seems to sterilize you. In fact I will give you my favorite quotation of many years. The Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, in my opinion, has ruined more good scientists than any institution has created, judged by what they did before they came and judged by what they did after. Not that they weren't good afterwards, but they were superb before they got there and were only good afterwards. This brings up the subject, out of order perhaps, of working conditions. What most people think are the best working conditions, are not. Very clearly they are not...
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- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
"I notice that if you have the door to your office closed, you get more work done today and tomorrow, and you are more productive than most. But 10 years later somehow you don't quite know what problems are worth working on; all the hard work you do is sort of tangential in importance. He who works with the door open gets all kinds of interruptions, but he also occasionally gets clues...
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- Paul Buchheit
I've read this before and it has influenced me greatly.
- Ruchira S. Datta
It has a lot of interesting insights. Long-term/short-term tradeoffs such as this door example are particularly interesting because people often get productivity advice that I suspect hurts them longer term.
- Paul Buchheit
thank you, Paul, for sharing. I had a most inspirational bus-ride in snowy Estonia while reading this gem of a speech :) The avalanche of insights and concentration into 50 minutes is amazing and humbling. I'll definitely come back to Richard Hammings's speech to relive this perfect hour and concentrate on my dream of supporting creative process with software.
- Baldur Kubo
" By realizing you have to use the system and studying how to get the system to do your work, you learn how to adapt the system to your desires. Or you can fight it steadily, as a small undeclared war, for the whole of your life."
- Hayes Haugen
I'm half way through and although he has excellent insights, nothing so far helps explain lolcats.
- Hayes Haugen
This is another version of Walter Mischel's marshmallow experiment-- in the 1960s, a group of four-year olds were given a marshmallow and promised another, only if they could wait 20 minutes before eating the first one. The researchers then followed the progress of each child into adolescence and demonstrated that those with the ability to wait were better adjusted and more dependable (determined via surveys of their parents and teachers), and scored an average of 210 points higher on the Scholastic Aptitude Test.
- Tom Stocky
Very telling. I heard a wise piece of advice once that said (paraphrasing) - The key to living a happy, content life is to delay gratification.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
And when "Like" means "Like", one might end up not commenting at all.
- Ruchira S. Datta
Bubba of Arizona - yes it does.... :)
- Bindu Reddy
:) Bindu, I think there are a lot of people that wanna fight if they can hide behind a faceless medium that allows cowards to escape consequences for inflamatory statements.
- FF's Bubba of Arizona
not really.. I believe FF attracts ppl who like to exchange thoughts.. no two person thoughts are the same in terms of articulation and/or created in the same manner. So we perceive a difference and at times we can be very rude in articulating that difference :)- Having a difference of opinion is not an argument !!
- Peter Dawson
No, it doesn't, Peter. And there are some people on FF (and other places) that disagree in a cordial, friendly manner. But many others are...well, not so much.
- FF's Bubba of Arizona
Everyone on this thread is wrong, but me.
- Alex Scoble
All conversations on the internet are arguments. This is due to the nature of text as a non-emotionally expressive medium. People read lack of emotions as negatives, thus creating an inherent argumentative tone in any text which disagrees with the opinions of the reader. Thus, all text conversations are eventually heated arguments instead of reasonable debate. The exceptions are few and far between.
- Otto
otto, interesting idea/theory... never thought of it that way... Sometimes how you phrase something matters. People who are argumentative for example always like having the last word..
- Bindu Reddy
Alex, no you are the only one who is wrong :)
- Bindu Reddy
"“Words are magic. The very idea that by making sounds we can paint pictures in the minds of others is magic. We get to choose whether we practice white or black magic" - Jack Brightnose, Cree Medicine Man
- Peter Dawson
Bindu, the irony of your statement warped the universe a bit, but it still seems intact...oh and no, you're wrong. :)
- Alex Scoble
Ask Scoble ( err robert he invented the Internet )
- johnpiercy
Yes, and what Otto said. Other types like myself, who at least initially wanted to find social connections and interaction, give up on that objective and just change how they use it (for learning or exploring, etc.)
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Fights aggregate attention. So yes. Let's go back to High School. Did anyone pay attention to the geek doing a science fair exhibit? Not many. How about a fight in the quad? I remember one where it seemed the whole school gathered around and watched. This is why conversations don't necessarily make you smarter but are probably more entertaining to watch and, maybe, even participate in.
- Robert Scoble
Yes arguing for the sake of arguing doesn't make you smarter... However FF conversations are sometimes really great in helping see another point of view. Maybe we should have a "smart conversation" icon so we can filter for them :)
- Bindu Reddy
"smart conversation" - what is smart for one , could be dumb for another !
- Peter Dawson
Is this Argument? I was looking for Abuse.
- John Craft
Yes Yes Yes, Umm just what do you want to argue about today???
- ThatDBD
I learn more from an argument than having a discussion. A Discussion sometime leads to an argument but an argument rarely leads to discussion.
- ashish
Not more than any other service, but it does better provide the means to do so :)
- sofarsoShawn
Just because some social media services don't facilitate conversation well doesn't mean it doesn't exist on that service. FriendFeed EASILY facilitates the quick exchange of ideas between multiple parties, so disagreement is bound to surface. Twitter is like sticking PostIt notes on a wall, you can argue, but it ain't easy.
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Are you guys kidding me? 37 replies and no one told Spidra that Hulk is strongest one there is?
- Andrew C
Everyone agreeing isn't very informative. Agruement is good mental execise. Oh, and Hulk.
- Robert Hafer
from iPhone
Can't stand people who think like I do. Or who don't challenge my nonsense.
- A Mitchell
+Spidra - Geeks have indeed argued since well, the Greeks. The concept of the dialogue as a "debate" goes way back (even to Babylonian writings), but Plato perfected it: "Plato further simplified the form and reduced it to pure argumentative conversation, while leaving intact the amusing element of character-drawing. He must have begun this about the year 405-406 BC, and by 399 he had...
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- Adrian
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- Andy Lee
"An extremely rare infection has been passed from an organ donor to at least one recipient in what is thought to be the first human-to-human transfer of the amoeba, medical officials said Friday. Four people in three states received organs from a patient who died at the University of Mississippi Medical Center in November after suffering from neurological problems, said Dave Daigle, a spokesman for the Centers for Disease Controls and Prevention."
- imabonehead
from Bookmarklet
"Balamuthia mandrillaris is a microscopic parasite found in soil that causes encephalitis in humans, horses, dogs, sheep and nonhuman primates. Scientists think people get infected by breathing it in, but it can also pass into the blood through a cut or break in the skin. It can be especially dangerous to people undergoing organ transplants, whose immune systems are purposely weakened so their bodies don't reject their new organs."
- imabonehead
Also deriving a great deal of satisfaction from removing the air bubbles from under the protective film, probably because it's hard work.
- Ruchira S. Datta
Your hands-on review to counter Pogue's is pretty important to me, thanks.
- Daniel Dulitz
How does it feel to read PDFs of papers on it? Is the size and clarity good enough?
- Karthik Raman
Haven't done that yet, though I've downloaded epubs from the 19-th century from Google Books. (There are a few OCR errors, but this is otherwise very nice.)
- Ruchira S. Datta
Just tried reading a PDF of a paper. The text is much more pleasant to read than on the Macbook Air, but there are too many snafus associated with reformatting the PDF (in two column format) to fit the form factor of the nook, so I probably won't be doing this. I expect the Que would be better for that sort of thing.
- Ruchira S. Datta
That's a shame. Some ebook reader should try to get some special formatting hooks into LaTeX. :)
- Ryan Moulton
In case of a large amount of Ebook , I worry about eyestrain.It's good to read about time gap, I think.
- Ami Iida
Ami, I've read plenty of e-books on computer screens and the eyestrain with e-ink is much less, as the display is not backlit.
- Ruchira S. Datta
Second what Ruchira said about eye strain. You can read an e-ink based device for hours
- Deepak Singh
I mostly want one to carry/read articles (PDF) but I haven't decided on one. I could go for the DX if the price drops a bit.
- Pedro Beltrao
I agree with Pedro -- if the DX weren't so expensive I would have one already. I have a 2-hour commute and a huge stack of literature to read, and the DX would make it very easy to put the two together.
- Bill Hooker
Pedro the kindle2 does native PDF now (or so I think)
- Deepak Singh
from iPhone
Will the Kindle2 display pdf files that contains graphs and illustration in "proper" manner? I had one but returned it because it could not display pdf files properly. I am waiting for Ebook reader that would do that. kindle Dx does that but I am waiting for Que and other ebook readers so that I can compare and buy the one that suits my need. Also, I would love to have functionality of having to print straight to ebook reader using wifi or even USB will work.
- ashish
within limits. One of my friends has his entire library on his Kindle. The new firmware is the same as the DX to the best of my knowledge.
- Deepak Singh
from IM
To be fair, I had Kindle2 before the firmware update for pdf was pushed. I am compelled to try it again but probably wait for reasons mentioned before.
- ashish
Not a bad idea. The scientific capable reader is still a bit away
- Deepak Singh
There is a website that will convert any pdf on the web to be viewed an an ebook on the Stanza iPhone app http://epub2go.com/
- Christian Burns
I am waiting for the ebook reader that syncs with Papers in with the same ease an ipods syncs with iTunes. Oh Apple, where is your ebook reader?
- Matt Leifer
and you haven't put in line ordinary book...
- A.T.
"Taking a man’s name opened up a new world. It helped me earn double and triple the income of my true name, with the same work and service."
- Ruchira S. Datta
"Truth be told, if just a name and perception of gender creates such different levels of respect and income for a person, it says a lot more about the world than it does about me."
- Clare Dibble
This hit the feminist blogosphere a little while back. I was interested by the absence of discussion of race and class as well as gender. James Chartrand was such a ... , well, it's not etymologically an Anglo-Saxon (Germanic) name, but it does rather nicely signal upper class male whiteness. Mr. Chartrand's essay stands rather well with this NYT piece on "whitening" the resume --...
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- AliceS
I recently read that women lawyers with masculine names made more money and/or had higher positions than those with feminine names.
- Gabe
Nucl. Acids Res. (16 December 2009), gkp1019. Protein Analysis THrough Evolutionary Relationships (PANTHER) is a comprehensive software system for inferring the functions of genes based on their evolutionary relationships. Phylogenetic trees of gene families form the basis for PANTHER and these trees are annotated with ontology terms describing the evolution of gene function from ancestral to modern day genes. One of the main applications of PANTHER is in accurate prediction of the functions of uncharacterized genes, based on their evolutionary relationships to genes with functions known from experiment. The PANTHER website, freely available at http://www.pantherdb.org, also includes software tools for analyzing genomic data relative to known and inferred gene functions. Since 2007, there have been several new developments to PANTHER: (i) improved phylogenetic trees, explicitly representing speciation and gene duplication events, (ii) identification of gene orthologs, including least...
- Neil Saunders
"It the perfect Christmas present for normal women everywhere. Scientists have devised the ratios of the perfect face - and they correspond with Miss Average. Beauty, they say, can be broken down to the distance between a woman's eyes and the distance between her eyes and her mouth. Get them just right and she will be just right too. Best of all, the proportions correspond with those of the average face. The study is one of several in recent months which have boosted the stock of real women. Other research has shown that men prefer 'normal'-sized women with a few curves to those who are fashionably thin and, apparently, don't hanker after girls with legs that go on forever. In the latest study, researchers asked a panel of men and women to rate the attractiveness of photos. All were headshots of the same woman, but with different distances from eyes to mouth or between the eyes. She was at her most attractive when the distance between the pupils of her eyes was just under half, or 46...
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- RAPatton
from Bookmarklet
"Applying the ratio, which is also known as Phi or the 'divine proportion', to faces, the 'perfect' face shape is one where the measurement from top to bottom is 1.618 times the measurement from side to side. Or the measurement from the top of the nose to the centre of the lips 1.618 times the measurement from the top to the bottom of the nose. Researcher Pamela Pallett, of the...
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- RAPatton
The average person _doesn't_ have an averaged face. That's the point. If _my_ left eye is 4 mm lower than the right, and _your_ left eye is 4 mm higher, than the average of us two would be right in the middle, but fat lot of good that does either of us.
- Andrew C
(again, this is why averaging a bunch of people produces a composite that is usually markedly more attractive, if perhaps less interesting, than any individual component.)
- Andrew C
Baby, you're so average, oh yeah
- RAPatton
from iPod
Andrew, only two ratios were measured in this study. One would expect those ratios to each be normally distributed. So at least for these particular ratios, one would expect the mean to be the same as the mode (i.e., the largest number of people fit these proportions).
- Ruchira S. Datta
"Gathering sequence information from biological publications is a tedious activity if done manually. The Seeker would like Solvers to develop a means of doing this by using publicly available software and a bit of additional ingenuity. Preexisting solutions that fulfill the criteria well would also be considered by the Seeker."
- François Dongier
from Bookmarklet
I just saw this - sounds really interesting, but I'm always daunted by the prize money.
- Mr. Gunn
Right, I think the worries expressed in another thread (http://ff.im/cpbmx) a couple weeks ago are still valid here. Eric Jain: "I'd be concerned that they end up amending the original specs repeatedly after seeing your submission (a typical problem with up-front specs)". Deepak Singh; "I wonder if anyone on this list has actually used Innocentive." How does it work? If you answer that you are interested in the challenge, do you get really precise specs?
- François Dongier
"InnoCentive will notify you within a commercially reasonable period of time after termination of the Exclusivity Period [90 days] whether a Seeker accepts your Proposal and wishes to exercise an Option ("Acceptance")...Upon Acceptance of your Proposal by a Seeker and payment of an Award to you (see Section 5, "Payments"), you hereby assign and convey to InnoCentive all rights, title,...
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- Ruchira S. Datta
"During the term of this Agreement and at all times thereafter, you shall not disclose to any third party nor use for any purpose other than for the performance of this Agreement, any Confidential Information (as defined below) without the express written consent of the owner of the Confidential Information. ... During any Exclusivity Period and after Acceptance and exercise of an Option relating to a InnoCentive Challenge, any Work Product or Proposal relating to said InnoCentive Challenge. "
- Ruchira S. Datta
If a proposal of mine is really good (which is presumably why they would accept it), I don't think $25K would be enough to never work on or talk about it again. My freedom to work on my own ideas and share them with the wider world is very important to me.
- Ruchira S. Datta
I'm not that concerned about transfer of intellectual property of the solution from solver to seeker. I think that's pretty natural and common practice. I'm more concerned about spending a month on a problem to then find out that my solution is not quite acceptable, even if it meets the specs ;-)
- François Dongier
"Q: What if a Solver tells us something that we already know? A: You are not obligated to pay an Award to acquire IP that you are already aware of. Much like the terms of a standard non-disclosure agreement, you would be exempted if you can reasonably demonstrate that you were aware of the IP through independent means. Not only that, your Challenge statement can specifically request...
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- François Dongier
Francois, it's common practice in companies. The company is paying you for that period of time. Here, you may or may not get paid (as you noted). Also, note that I currently don't work for a company, and this is one of the reasons.
- Ruchira S. Datta
Ruchira, I'm also exploring this from a freelance perspective.
- François Dongier
One of the best thai restaurants in Mtn View. Just had dinner there a couple of days. Great soups and a very good lunch place
- Bindu Reddy
from Likaholix
I used to like this place a lot, when I lived over that way!
- Ruchira S. Datta
"Human geneticists have reached a private crisis of conscience, and it will become public knowledge in 2010. The crisis has depressing health implications and alarming political ones. In a nutshell: the new genetics will reveal much less than hoped about how to cure disease, and much more than feared about human evolution and inequality, including genetic differences between classes, ethnicities and races."
- Itachi
from Bookmarklet
See rebuttal by Luke Jostins at The Sanger Institute "The Economist has a rather distressingly bad article by the evolutionary psychologist Geoffrey Miller, about the supposed general failure in human disease genetics over the last 5 years...." http://www.genetic-inference.co.uk/blog...
- Duncan Hull
I didn't drop out but here is part of my experience in this post from years ago. It was discouraging to hear the professors talk. Needless to say i don't code. :-) http://www.altamirano.org/marketi...
- Antonio Altamirano
Thankfully I'm in the other 50%, but I can see why many would change their major or drop out. I saw it first hand where many 1st and 2nd year Mechanical Engineering students changed their majors to something 'easier'. The most common reason was difficulty with the required advanced Math courses. Calculus being the road block for many.
- Jeff P. Henderson
If I were entering college now, I would try to go to Olin. I really like their approach.
- Paul Buchheit
nice post, I'm looking for the number of engineers (or per thousand capita ratio) graduating in Greece (or greeks graduating around the world)
- George Tziralis
Many of Computer Science professors at Stanford were luminaries in their fields, but weren't very good at engaging students in the subject matter. Brilliant researchers don't always make the best teachers. I think this contributed a lot to the dropout rate.
- Jess Lee
How does this compare to drop-out rate for all US college students? And does "drop out" mean "of college entirely" or "take a break then come back" or "and choose another major"? The discussion may be lusty but I really don't like discussions that start on a figure w/ no bother to compare it to anything else, or link to info about how it's calculated.
- Wade Dorrell
In CA we have two types of public universities. The UC schools require the professors to do research, where as the State University schools do not. I think the State University schools are much better for undergrad tech education as you get much more attention from your professors.
- Jeff P. Henderson
The UC Berkeley College of Engineering started the Center For Entrepreneurship and Technology http://cet.berkeley.edu to address some of the issues Dodge talks about.
- Ruchira S. Datta
Engineering is hard and requires above-average intelligence. Think about it this way: Statistics tells us that probably 50% of people will be below-average. Wouldn't you want those 50% of the students to drop out before actually becoming an engineer? MIT just doesn't admit that half of the population in the first place, but most schools don't have that luxury.
- Gabe
People have a lot of options for (a) careers (b) money (c) power (d) image (e) attracting mates in the US, compared to China/India. Engineers are not valued very highly in the US compared to businesspeople, doctors, and lawyers.
- Mitchell Tsai
@Gabe: You would think that all the people that go to study Computer Sciences or seek other Engineering degrees are above the 50% average to begin with.
- Amit Morson
somestimes it's a scoail or maturity thing - was for me. I get by. Wished I finished.
- Alan Wilensky
from Alert Thingy
It's because of the fact that people with higher standards of living pursue less demanding challenges offering similar ROI (I = investment+involvement). That's why there's so many non-US students (especially from lower income countries) in engineering and why they're much less inclined to fail.
- Nenad Nikolic
from twhirl
Engineering sucks. I think there's a point where any engineering student realizes that even with a degree they're looking at a pretty mediocre salary working in a really boring job. Add this to the difficult coursework and boring courses, well, engineers are good at math. It adds up to being a raw deal. That being said, if you get into engineering at Stanford or UC Berkley, your ROI would look a lot better then mine. I'm sure a large number of engineering students consider dropping out, even after Calculus.
- Will Higgins™
All I can do is nod. For a couple of years, not a day when by when I didn't consider jumping ship, for all the reasons commenters here have mentioned: long hours, heavy workload, fickle job market, salary barely comparable with what I could expect with a business or law degree. But here I am, a month away from (finally!) finishing my EE degree, and I couldn't be happier.
- Derrick Burns
Continued from above: Basically, I think so many give up because they were looking to get something out of being an engineer: money, prestige, etc. But it's simply too great a commitment on several levels. You really have to pursue engineering because it's something you want to do, something you care about.
- Derrick Burns
I dropped out because Chemical Engineering was not what I was expecting. I wanted more Chemistry, less Math. I switched to IT Management and found it much more interesting. Mind you, I'm Canadian.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I remember having a crisis in my final year of Electrical/Computer Engineering. Dropping out was a non-option, but I did consider completely abandoning 3.5 years of engineering study to switch fields and schools during my senior year. In hindsight, I didn't understand what engineers really did. My vision at the time was closer to industrial or product design than engineering. I had to take it on faith in my first two years that I was on a path to do what I was envisioning.
- Kelly Norton
I suspect that more than 50% (even at good schools like GATech, I have friends who have done this) are in the wrong field. Many of my friends went into programming because they enjoyed computers and I've told them they would hate it because they don't like math. They don't listen. :)
- mjc
still others go into engineering due to parental expectation, which I find ridiculous, but understandable
- mjc
Amit: one of the properties of being in the lower 50% is not knowing that you're in the lower 50%. That means many of the applicants do not know they are unqualified.
- Gabe
Extensive aptitude/personality testing could fix this
- Aaron Eaton
Engineering is a tough subject. how does that compare to other subjects?
- John Cass
from twhirl
I actually sit on an advisory board for ASU (arizona state) Poly - I can tell you that what I see is students becoming disillusioned by all the stuff they have to learn before they can go out and create something "cool". The challenge is keeping them engaged through the pre-reqs/early coursework. BTW - IMHO the problem with "drop out and learn X" is that they've intentionally skipped the fundamentals that make good engineers. Just because you can code doesn't mean you can engineer... two different things.
- Brian Roy
Is Computer Science part of engineering? Because it didn't take much training in Computer Science for me to start doing cool stuff. I wrote my first game and posted it onto the internet my freshman year (Core Wars). By my Junior year, I had designed a programming language and integrated in it into a MUD. Pengtoh had contributed to Linux by his sophomore year. On the other hand, I always flunked electrical engineering classes, and couldn't stomach math past linear algebra.
- Piaw Na
I switch from Engineering to a Computer Science degree. Apart from the fact that I wanted to program, there were two reasons. 1) The load was very high (it was close to 40 contact hours/week in first year). 2) The maths was hard - I'm ok at math, but combined with the high load I found I struggled when I wasn't too interested in it.
- Nick Lothian
"the US should staple a Green Card to every foreign student's engineering diploma and encourage them to stay in the USA."
- Clare Dibble
Same as Nick here. Dropped out due to difficulty and lack of passion for the field. Went back later to finish a BS in Computer Information Systems.
- Bill Sanders
I wonder what percentage of medical school students drop out. Engineering is a hard discipline, if you want to be a web dev or a study IT or "new media" instead. Making engineering "softer" because today's students don't like to work hard and expect results instantly will just create generations of mediocre engineers and will not make the US more of an engineering power.
- Kevin Goldsmith
from twhirl
engineers are boring and dry, pay is low, classes are full of non-social ppl. (and almost no girls). Why not study finance, or something, girls and pay is much better.
- imran
Engineering is fun! The big thing is that school's curriculums are frequently irrelevant. For instance, a lot of CS majors require irrelevant Math or Physics not because it's a requirement to do good software (they aren't), but because those classes serve as weeders. The result is, for instance, we get lots of CS majors who can't communicate or string a sentence together. If we rearranged the CS major so that we didn't impose a stupid requirement, we'd get a bigger diversity of candidates and less dropout.
- Piaw Na
Engineering is the best!!!! and for those who says it sucks or that the pay is not good (or that we are boring and dry), its probably because you are in that 50% of retards that dropped out of it. No other profession gets paid as much as an engineer right after graduation, and there is usually more demand for engineers than for anything else. I just think people are too lazy to even try anymore. I dont know why, even graduate school is fun in engineering. Aerospace is the best!!!!!
- Mike hawk
life in a conceptual box is the result .. content with that, you will stay with it .. not content, universes open up
- Gregory Lent
life in a conceptual box? do you even know what you are saying? universes open up when you quit engineering? If only you were to see the world through the eyes of en engineer, we see everything from several different perspectives, not just that of people like you. If anything, engineering has really opened up the world for me as it really is. Stop making those type of remarks. Instead get back to engineering school so you can see what it feels like.
- Mike hawk
I think I know the boxes Gregory is talking about from some of his other comments. Whether you've gone to engineering school is orthogonal to whether you can get outside of them. So it's pretty much irrelevant to this thread.
- Ruchira S. Datta
I dropped out the day I learned it had nothing to do with driving a train. Now I'm stuck with this silly hat and overalls :(
- Christopher Harley
I bet you the pre-med numbers are similar, but I'm not sure universities necessarily track undergrads who aspire to go to med school. In general, how many freshmen actually stick with the major they pick when they start college?
- Victor Ganata
"A photo turns up of you nakedly doing something that would shame you and your family for generations. Bestiality, perhaps. How many people in your life you would trust with that photo? If you're like the rest of us, you probably have at most two. Even more depressing, studies show that about one out of four people have no one they can confide in. The average number of close friends we say we have is dropping fast, down dramatically in just the last 20 years. Why?" (According to them: Segmented society.)
- ⓞnor
Among mounds of silly, crass humor, cracked.com strikes a chord every once in a while.
- Tudor Bosman
"You don't wait for a girl to verbally tell you she likes you. It's the sparkle in her eyes, her posture, the way she grabs your head and shoves your face into her boobs. That's the crux of the problem. That human ability to absorb the moods of others through that kind of subconscious osmosis is crucial. Kids born without it are considered mentally handicapped. People who have lots of...
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- Paul Buchheit
from iPhone
hilarious -- loved the bar charts. must remember to start tracking and histogramming the insults that come my way...
- daisy
If Bay Area public transit were better, I would see more of my friends from outside the East Bay than I currently do.
- Ruchira S. Datta
I love that we're sharing this online. I feel closer to all the people who Liked this!
- Seth
Thanks RSD- too bad the key comes at the end:You want to break out of that black tar pit of self-hatred? Brush the black hair out of your eyes, step away from the computer and buy a nice gift for someone you loathe. Send a card to your worst enemy. Make dinner for your mom and dad. Or just do something simple, with an tangible result. Go clean the leaves out of the gutter. Grow a damn plant.
- Mark A Jensen
"The work in Nature magazine suggests the mind can win over hormones.Testosterone induces anti-social behaviour in humans, but only because of our own prejudices about its effect rather than its biological activity, suggest the authors." Very interesting!
- Ruchira S. Datta
From the article: "an alternative hypothesis proposes that testosterone has an important role in status-related behaviours in human social interaction; it can also explain the norm-violating behaviours. According to this hypothesis, testosterone induces status seeking, in particular in those social situations that constitute a potential challenge to a person’s status."
- Ruchira S. Datta
"Previous evidence suggests that this impact of testosterone on status concerns is most likely to occur in situations in which subjects’ social status can be challenged and they can avoid this threat with appropriate behaviours. This is exactly the situation of a proposer in the ultimatum game, who faces the threat of rejection if she makes an unfairly low offer. By making a fair offer,...
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- Ruchira S. Datta
It is shocking that testosterone is affected by environmental factor, I wonder "a hero likes lust".The papers have been quite rewarding for us,have a harvest.
- Ami Iida
There was a smudge that wouldn't come off with my wipe cloth thingy, so instead of licking my finger I just licked the spot directly. Good news: my cell phone is clean. Bad news: it now has a restraining order against me.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
"Even though it’s exactly the same E Ink technology that the Kindle and Sony Readers use, the Nook’s screen is achingly slower than the Kindle’s. It takes nearly three seconds to turn a page — three times longer than the Kindle — which is really disruptive if you’re in midsentence. Often, you tap some button on the color strip — and nothing happens. You wait for the Nook to respond, but there’s no progress bar, no hourglass, no indication that the Nook “heard” you. So you tap again — but now you’ve just triggered a second command that you didn’t want."
- j1m
from Bookmarklet
Wow, harsh. Pogue systematically extinguishes every last bit of anticipation you might feel about using this thing. Then he goes on to slam it for being slow and buggy. Then, for balance, he concludes with additional reasons why Kindle is better.
- 253 other people
How incredibly disappointing. The worst is this: "Furthermore, the book is gone from your own Nook during the loan period (a maximum of two weeks). And each book can be lent only once, ever." Do publishers seriously think that book lending among friends is such a great threat that they feel they must hamstring such an important feature? My wife and I read a lot of the same books, and the requirement to buy a book twice to do this is completely absurd.
- Joel Webber
I was actually quite excited about the lending feature, until I found out how badly crippled it really was. Another example of marketing getting ahead of engineering?
- Aaron D'Souza
More like marketing getting ahead of legal :P
- Joel Webber
I was disturbed by reading this review, but have been enjoying my nook since it arrived yesterday. I've been interacting with it and have also read a book chapter, and am not bothered by sluggishness. There might be two reasons: 1) Never having owned a Kindle, I don't have any expectations that are violated, or 2) There was some software problem with the version Pogue tested that has since been fixed.
- Ruchira S. Datta
About the lending feature, I was well aware of this before I made the decision to buy, it was quite clearly stated by B&N. I give credit to B&N for getting even this much from the publishers, that must have been quite difficult to negotiate.
- Ruchira S. Datta
If it were anywhere close to what Pogue describes I think it would have started bothering me in the time I've spent with it, so I'm leaning toward explanation 2. Pogue must have gotten a bum version to review, which is very unfortunate.
- Ruchira S. Datta
But regarding the closing statement about heritability of IQ, check this out: "$13 Christmas Gift = $13 point gain in children's IQ" http://www.gnxp.com/blog... Heritability depends on which environmental variations have been tried.
- Ruchira S. Datta
"Heritability is not a statistic for individuals. If you are using your knowledge of heritability to understand a single individual you are a biographer, not a scientist." Arguably, not yet -- 23andMe and other similar companies are betting that there is enough data out there to be able to derive significance for individuals.
- Tudor Bosman
Tudor, I think what they (and indeed I) would like to be able to derive is the genetic component of traits and predispositions. That is what the word "heritability" evokes, but not what it actually means--it has a technical, statistical definition that only applies to populations.
- Ruchira S. Datta