"heliumflashheliumflash - "Marylin Monroe has a perfectly fine body by today's standards. And a good actress. Respect earned." My girlfriend is a model (not saying it to earn points, just trying to make a point) and almost every tut, coaching, and training she gets would suggest that a voluptuous body is considered fat by the "today's beauty standard." I'd still hit that in a split second. Babe Ruth was still fat. Ate three hot dogs per game, put down two dinners at night. By your standards, FAT. But still earned respect. George Foreman was a beast in the ring who beat the shit out of people, then the next day would do a cookie eating contest. By your definition, FAT. And he bitched about his weight all the time. Made jokes too, just to be honest. It's one thing to be disappointed in people, which I think is ok in this situation. But call me next time you are suffering from pneumonia but you refused treatment from your fat doctor because you don't respect him." - Robert Garcia