they must have seem you Leo directing all that bandwidth to north america ;)
- Bryce Campbell
I'd really like to go to China, but I don't know if I could handle a country that doesn't have the "real" Internet.
- Kimber Scott
Kimber Scott, i too would like to go and tour china -- i just think that would be very interesting, ya the government blocking and controlling the medias is a pain, but whats there to do?
- Bryce Campbell
Yep, must be Leo's fault. Home yet?
- Ace
from twhirl
You can very easily just use proxy servers in China, through for example yor firefox settings. Easy thing to do, then no sites can be blocked by them.
- Charbax
very true leo. for all the people that think there is no value in social networks or twitter they just need to look to china. if these services were not valuable at sharing information and news china would never shut them down ;)
- Rodney Rumford
Interesting! Not too surprised though...
- mahjongmi
China might not like that private user information of their citizen be in the hands of US companies, as we all know, all US companies have to provide backdoors to CIA, NSA and such into all online communications.
- Charbax
Well, you should come to Iran! It's much worse here. It's been quite a long time these web 2.0 sites have been blocked.
- Daryoosh (داريوش)
from fftogo
...and love absolute power & control.
- Corvida
from iPhone
"Yahoo Inc. this week launched a pre-emptive lawsuit against the NFL Players Association, saying it doesn't have to pay to use player photos and stats for its online fantasy football game. A licensing agreement between Sunnyvale-based Yahoo (Nasdaq: YHOO) and the players association lapsed in March, just before the players lost in a similar lawsuit involving CBS Interactive in April. The union is appealing that decision. Yahoo's suit filed June 1 in Minneapolis said that the players union's licensing representatives have threatened to sue if it doesn't pay for the information. An estimated 13 million to 15 million people participate in fantasy football games that gross more than $1 billion a year."
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
My son loves baseball and baseball cards and we read a book about baseball cards together that said that some of the cards used to airbrush the team insignias out of the photos so that they didn't have to pay licensing fees to the team in addition to the player.
- Thomas Hawk
I was thinking about this more (post Disqus comment) and the mid-20th century line occurred to me: "Would you buy a used car from this man?" In Louis' case, he would. :)
- John E. Bredehoft
Luke, the post is edited re Toyota. A quick slip. As for that saying, John, on Tuesday I told Robert I just might do that, with his photo. I clearly chose not to.
- Louis Gray
The post discusses important features, techniques and concepts behind these designs and explains why they are important, with examples from top sites. Highly recommended!
- Jan Horna
This is amust read article. Thanks for sharing.
- Rodney Rumford
What room to I find the most bleeding edge real time web thinking going on? The friendfeed saved searches room here: http://friendfeed.com/ffss -- I'm learning a lot about how people are discovering real time filtering there.
This experience could not have been easy for you and you had to follow your intuition. I do think the blog post should have stayed up as an example to all that this is a new transparent world and certain behaviour intended or not is just unacceptable.
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
Thank you Peter - very good point. There's a possibility I'll republish an edited version of the post later - to be honest I started editing it late last night and also all the comments and it became a big task! LOL. ;-)
- Mari Smith
By throwing away the blog post you also threw all 60 comments into the trash. as a commenter i would be bummed. :( You should never remove a blog post; especially if the facts are correct.
- Rodney Rumford
I am at the Half Moon Bay Ritz fire ring with @lkilpatrick and there are Oracle execs and Sun employees here. They got very quiet when I showed up. Nothing some wine can't solve! :-)
As long as they buy, there's no problem!
- Gregg Le Blanc
That's funny, normally Oracle have something to say about everything, and Sun are just compelled to talk.
- Clifford Kennedy
time to get the booze flowing and see what you can get. watched you on TWIT.TV long funny show tonite.
- Rodney Rumford
Unfortunately they all left before I could get them drunk enough.
- Robert Scoble
I mentioned @rahafharfoush tonight as the person that keynoted at Voices That Matter about her experience as a community manager for the Obama campaign. Here is the book she wrote, looks to be very interesting, great candidate for building 43, maybe try and get her while she is town tomorrow. http://www.amazon.com/inside-...
- Luke Kilpatrick
I will give them a demo of the real time web. Join in here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei... The class starts at about 12:30, so it'll be fun if this is rocking and rolling about that time.
- Robert Scoble
Not to push hard on Twitter, just find the right balance between being informative and abusive.
- Nir Ben Yona
the difference between signal and noise for a brand or company.
- Ted Bradford II
It's never been more important to keep up with the evolving web :) explain to them how you do that!
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
That there's no such thing as PR any more. They've all been had. It's as though they were being trained to be buggy whip manufacturers.
- Cliff Gerrish
Tell them you asked FriendFeed what to tell them
- Bwana ☠
take as many journalism classes as you can...refine your writing skills.
- George Dearing
Old school marketing is dead and Social Media is New school marketing. They need to stop thinking like a company and think like an individual.
- John H. Isaac
That real relationship make a difference.
- Kameya SHows
WAKE UP:: YOU HAVE NO CONTROL> merely an opportunity to participate and direct conversations. The bar of consumer expectations has been raised and they need to step up as the real time web gains velocity. The bullet train has already left the station. ;)
- Rodney Rumford
Traditional PR is NOT dead ... but social media strategies are in high demand.
- Jeff Grass
Social media for PR purposes: Humanize brands, monitor public opinion, two-way communication.
- Jeff Grass
fyi. we have a panel focused on PR from cisco, facebook, six apart and digg next week at www.gravitysummit.com
- Rodney Rumford
Learn the recent case of Dominos and check out the CEO's response.
- Amit Nangare
everything you do or say on the internet is recorded for further evaluation and scrutiny - therefore the smallest detail could come back and bite you!
- shayne catrett
Rodney: you should always include http://www.gravitysummit.com so us lazy people can click and check out your conference. I'll try to be there next week, but I'm pretty slammed with Building43 stuff.
- Robert Scoble
if not already they should become familiar w/ how to adopt, learn and evaluate relevant usage of new digital tools & devices now while still in school - will help them immensely when they enter the workforce...
- mike "glemak" dunn
Cut down on the adjectives and flowery language. Get to the gist.
- Bryan R. Adams
Stop feeding corporate bull lingo. Be real, be fast, be authentic. Social media have shortened the crisis response time for PR
- don manu
That their professors know crap about real PR. They need to know how to pitch, how to work with social media, and how to write engaging press releases (not corporate vomit). Moreover, they need to practice...freelance, intern, or anything to get real-world experience.
- Chris Michaels
Tell them one of the most important skills to learn is storytelling. The industry is about storytelling and relationships regardless of the medium you use. Also highly recommend taking a year off, volunteer, live a year abroad, do something outside of PR. It provides a different perspective when you're back in the industry.
- Christi
If it isn't already required reading, they should read Cluetrain Manifesto. It's a seminal work that points to the future while providing insight into the past and how social media impacts and changes that. Everything since has just been restating the Cluetrain theses.
- Lydia Sugarman
You can't fake the message. Stakeholders potentially have insight and connections to everyone within your firm and will see through discrepencies between what you say and what you actually do.
- Neil Jensen
Regardless of the medium - traditional PR or new media - you will still need to show measurable results that ties to the business objective. Simply saying that you created a Facebook page or a Twitter account for a client does not mean anything unless you can show measurable impact.
- Kaye Monty
ummm Practice uhhhh getting uhhhh the ummms out uhhhh out of their uhhhh speech.
- Andrew Smith
@Andrew, you sound like Michael Arrington!
- Pat Hawks
PR is two-way communication between an organization and all its constituents (who may or may not be customers). If you're not annoying your higher-ups by championing the cause of the public, you're just a stenographer.
- Casey Fryda
Tell them to ignore anyone who makes broad, sweeping generalizations about PR and delivers said generalizations in the form of advice!
- Kevin LaHaise
A minimal PR room on FriendFeed should include google alerts, twitter search, and backtype comments. Laura Norvig recommends making such rooms private, but since the data is publicly available anyway mine is public. You can use it as an example if you want: http://beta.friendfeed.com/ourdoin...
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Tell them all you learned on your visit to zappos
- Arvind
tell them to act with integrity at all times, and to look at the tools at their disposal as merely that - tools. if you act with integrity you'll never fear changing media conditions, new technologies, or anything else that "PR flacks" get attacked with. "this is the whole Law. the rest is but commentary."
- Jeremy Toeman
Remember what you say will be on the Internet and around the world as soon as its out of your mouth, dealing with errors quickly and smartly will be a key part of your job
- Kim Landwehr
Persuade them they'll have to learn to evangelize the benefits of letting go of control, and it won't be easy as a first job out of school.
- Amyloo
Tell them that when tragedy (or the unexpected) happens, don't try to cover up or hide information; just come clean and tell the public what you know. The speed of information on the web makes it impossible to cover up.
- Rod
OK, I'm in front of the class now, so they will see what you say.
- Robert Scoble
Hi, I'm Derrick. Don't be scared of the Swine Flu.
- Derrick
I honestly thought his site had issues (style sheet missing, etc)
- Bwana ☠
I've always thought Dave Winer's site was the epitome of simplistic
- Bwana ☠
Probably, but, from a purely visual sense it's hard to look at. (unless you have a big enough following and everyone plows through it anyway.
- Glen Group
Ask them whether they know the difference between B2B communication and B2C communication and whether social media has a role to play in either. And why?
- Darren Smith
yeah that'd be cool - have them ask us a question Sir Scoble
- Bwana ☠
Shel Isreal did that last week over Twitter. Search #UMD.
- Roberto Bonini
class: how many of you had heard of Mr Scoble before today? How about 1 year ago?
- WoH: Minding her Steves
That screwing up the MBR of all of your hard drives is the stupidest thing to do, next to hitting an officer while arrested? :P
- Daan Berg
from twhirl
What's great about using this is the class can come back to this if they are too busy listening to Scoble now!
- Glen Group
Beware of people starting their line with: "Reading The Story from Robert McKee while sipping another Pepsi Max, as my new Nokia 5800 started ringing..."
- Nir Ben Yona
Mark, we know he's really talking to a class, because if he were just sitting at his computer he'd be jumping into the conversation more. No photographic evidence required this time.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Report on and write about something you are passionate about
- Jamie Ginsberg
I think I blew the class away with the real time feed. I gave them a homework project to get involved here.
- Robert Scoble
Well I'm too late for this, but it just seems people are tired of Spin. They want authenticity and truth from companies. Companies lose people's trust with spin. John Wooden said he rarely scouted other teams. He said he was trying to compete with himself and make his own team better instead of trying to dissect the weaknesses of the other teams.
- Stephen Pickering
This class was very interesting to speak to. Twitter's CEO is speaking there on Thursday. I told them to Tweet everything he says. :-)
- Robert Scoble
How good is this class? The students themselves convinced Jack from Twitter to come and speak. I like student initiative!
- Robert Scoble
nice - i speak at colleges a lot and always leave feeling good about the future :)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Be "a real person" and write in friendly tone and concise way. :-)
- PRBristolco.uk
If you could pan the picture to the right on that beach, you would see Krakatoa in the distance - that's in Indonesia, where everyone wore speedos back then
- Jesse Stay
went to check out pic.im. first thing on the main page: photo of an erect penis. now that's an unexpected answer to "what are you doing?".
- Hendrik Neumann
twitpic provides an option to view the pictures in their original size, other services simply shrink your pictures
- 我是真砂!
Don't tweet photos much but when I do I use twitpic - usually it's the most convenient.
- Julie
Tarpipe.com, it's like Yahoo Pipes for your photos. Tarpipe posts my photo to flickr and then tweets the flickr url. That way my photo is in just one location, and in an established photo sharing site. I don't trust all these overnight barebone twitter services. Here is my current workflow: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Daniel Sims
i like http://www.tweetphoto.com but hey... i happen to have designed the site. ;) I can't say what all the functionality is; but i will say it is a richer experience than any of the sites mentioned. ;)
- Rodney Rumford
My kids keep me going - it's one of the reasons I love being an entrepreneur. I get to hear the pitter-patter of their feet above me all day long, and can go up any time I want to play.
- Jesse Stay
That is interesting name. What's the origin?
- petar vucetin
of course they should. they should be practitioners and eat their own dog food. anyone that does not and tries to sell their services/products is full of it.
- Rodney Rumford
you bet they should..the smart ones realize in order to take a larger piece of the interactive pie they have to be savvy on all social media fronts..tools,adoption,metrics,integration etc..
- George Dearing
How would anyone consider using a social media vendor who is not using the platforms themselves?
- Chris Frost
I'm sure Twhirl is fabulous and I really appreciate @Loic and his engaging method of development, but I just can't beat TweetDeck's multi-column layout. It's ideal for a 30" cinema display but equally at home running full screen on MBPro
- Conor Ogle
TweetDeck uses too much memory for my computer, so I use Twhirl
- @LarsenTweet
Neither, I still prefer Twitterific on a Mac. If I had to decide between these both: probably Twhirl, even though I hate their scrolling implementation.
- Holger Eilhard
I like them both but prefer tweetdeck for single account mgmt. Twirl works well for multiple account mgmt
- Tim FitzGerald
I go back and forth between the two. TweetDeck: love the multi-column group management, but hate the memory usage and inability to sync group lists across machines. Twhirl: I like the FriendFeed and Seesmic integration, but I miss the group list management offered by TweetDeck. To TweetDeck's credit, they are soliciting input on what issues to tackle next; group sync and memory issues were on the list.
- Brian Shoemaker
I prefer the Tweetdeck interface but am using Twhirl because I need to manage multiple accounts.
- Herb Hernandez
tweetdeck seems good, haven't invested enough time reallly to know, but initial impressions were good. Twhirl has good features, but UI is terrible.
- Sam
from twhirl
At home, Tweetdeck. What about when mobile though? I used tweetdeck on a UMPC at MBC09 (saves my mobile phone for other duties!) and will have a bunch of mobile PC devices at SXSW to do the same (i'm testing them) Seems to me that Tweetdeck + powerful browser on the go would be perfect for microbloggers.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
I prefer to use clients that extend beyond twitter.. Preferably Friendfeed and Facebook as well. feedalizr is good. Any other alternatives?
- Abhishek Kumar
from feedalizr
Twhirl feels clunky and it's UI is too complex. Twitterific is perfect for day to day personal use, but Tweetdeck is great for corp accounts.
- Giovanni Ghignone
I use TweetDeck primarily, but it needs Twhirl's lookup feature in the worst way. That one feature keeps me going back and forth. Oh yeah, and multiple accounts. Love Twhirl for that.
- Gimme Blu Frog!
neither of them, They just don't feel right to me. I developed my own which has what I need.
- Darren Stuart
I use Twhirl more, just got Tweetdeck a day ago, like the layout for management. I love Spaz though, sorry!
- Jay Cameron
I started as a big Twhirl fan, til the day it wasn't working. I desperately seek for an option and tried TweetDeck. It was too big in my screen, too annoying with its sound alerts, but then, ok: it got me! groups features became very handy and good to use Twitter for working tasks. I still think TweetDeck could benefit from some Twhirl features - specially after Seesmic acquisition, but can't see myself going back to it anymore.TweetDeck is my favorite one! =]
- May
i'm liking the new twhirl has some great features and looks like the tool for seesmic users for sure, tweetdeck would be my pick if i was following loads of people
- Adam Gersbach
@Abhishek Kumar I did crowdstatus.com and have built an AIR client based on it but its still not ready as I am in an arms race :p
- Darren Stuart
I use both. Twhirl allows both of my accounts open side-by-side and it's integration with Seesmic is VERY cool. Tweetdeck's layout has superior advantages - especially "sub-groups" and topics to follow.
- Stan Dubin
I like Tweetdeck but recently added a second Twitter account so now using Twhirl. If Tweetdeck had multiple account functionality (and Friendfeed connection) I would switch back.
- Henk de Kruyff
from twhirl
I'm using Friendfeed Realtime and Tweetdeck if I'm not on my Samsung NC10 Netbook.
- Marius QúådflÌÊg
I love Twhirl, but it only lacks the groups of users feature of Tweetdeck. I love Tweetdeck, but it lacks the notifying popup for each twit of Twhirl.
- americanm
Tweetdeck on my personal laptop (usage times vary - not always on). Last night app wasn't working right!
- Susan Beebe
I prefer Tweetdeck. Don't ask me why, call it design or robustness but I like it better.
- Carlos Lorenzo
Some sort of hybrid of the two would be perfect, until then I use both.
- Iain Baker
I can't decide, I like Tweetdeck because its nice and big and love the muliple colums, but I like twhirl because I can pick up Friendfeed, Seesmic and TWitarmy.... hard to decide
- Kim Landwehr
I use tweetdeck because of the groups. I have a tab for my favorites and one for people in my country/language (Netherlands). I don't care much for other features like video or integration with other services. Ideally tweetdeck would have the possibility of one column with tabs and save groups and searches.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
Robert, this goes back to your recent "real-time web" post: how do you gather together the outcomes of discussions on the various sites? Someone could post a great comment on the post at scobleizer.com, but it wouldn't show up on your FriendFeed unless you or someone else did an equivalent of a re-tweet. What's the preferred reply etiquette these days?
- Paul Robertson
I had thwirl, but never really used it much. I did switch to tweetdeck a while ago (for the second time and have grown to like it a lot. However, I use mobile apps most (slandr/twitstat mobile).
- Arne Hulstein
Tweetdeck is lifesaver by allowing groups.
- Kenley Neufeld
I don't use any Twitter clients. I use Twhirl for Laconica
- LouCypher
While my first choice is still the Web, for TwitApps I am a Twhirl Girl.
- Martha
twhirl will always rule for me until someone else allows me to do ff in the same client. Although Tweetdeck has some great features, the future of client apps is clearly in supporting multiple networks, which only twhirl does, so it's no contest.
- Todd Brunner
from twhirl
If TweetDeck handled multiple accounts, I'd probably switch back. I like grouping folks so I'm not forced to unfollow those who leash bouts of Twitterrhea ;)
- webojunk
I switch between both depending on the mood of the day.. The one feature I am waiting on is the group feature in Twhirl.. then hard to judge..
- Bill Moore
from twhirl
I love Twhirl. This may seem weird, but tried TweetDeck and it seemed too masculine for my tastes.
- Julie Bovee Hill
I still just use the web interface, or Cellity Tweeter or one of the WAP/mobile web-based clients, if I'm Twittering on my phone.
- Tyson Key
TweetDeck. No doubt.I love groups and searches for monitoring things. Especially once I wrote backup/restore scripts so I could move settings between machines.
- Scott Kingery
I rotate between Twhirl and the Firefox add-on, Friendbar.
- Doug
DestroyTwitter is a really nice program as well.. and fast...
- Jaap Willem
from twhirl
Twhirl does FriendFeed, laconica, and seesmic too. Support bit.ly + api for stats. winner hands down.
- Glenn Batuyong
Will have to try the new Twhirl, but if its anything like the old, then I will probably still prefer Tweetdeck's multi column interface
- Peter Efland
Until Tweetdeck supports multi account I won't even consider leaving Twhirl
- adolfo foronda
I just tried twhirl again and shut it off immediately and went back to tweetdeck. I like the groups in tweetdeck a lot. It allows me to follow a group more closely as it lowers the noise for that group.
- Shamir Katsu
Alert Thingy just made a new release too. TC wrote them up. From the post, "...AlertThingy has added support for six more services: Ping.fm, Basecamp, Huddle, TwitPic, TwitterSearch, and Yammer. That makes for a total of 13 services, which already included Digg, Facebook, Flickr, Jaiku, TinyURL, Tumblr, and Twitter."
- coldbrew
I use twhirl 4 multi-accounts and tweetdeck 4 main account. I also use 3 monitors running on the same computer & tweetdeck dedicated to one.
- Moses Kpetigo
I like twhirl because it supports identi.ca as well as FriendFeed. If TweetDeck supported FriendFeed, I'd make the switch. Oh, multiple accounts - Twhirl does that, TweetDeck is lacking
- Colin Charles
from twhirl
tweetdeck is broken for me right now... not sure why. Only displays @replies and searches; NO feed and no DMs (not complaining there!)
- Susan Beebe
They're both unfree. Don't use either of them. Use a free one. If there is no free one, then don't use one till there is.
- Gregg H.
Gregg: what do you mean? I haven't paid for either one.
- Robert Scoble
Agreed- both are free. Who is paying? I think twhirl is great for general use and multiple services (as you pointed out), Tweetdeck is good for those that really, really want (or need) to organize their stream. The interface is daunting however and I found Tweetdeck was slow to update. Now if you are talking iApps- Twitterfon FTW! I also love the "get more people to talk about it!" line- Scoble continues to tell it like it is.
- Alyx
from twhirl
Twhirl is much improved! Tweetdeck is too big and I don't like it.
- PC Easy
from twhirl
Robert: Free, as in freedom. But, I suppose if you're using a completely user subjugating OS that has no respect for your freedom like Mac or Windows, then one more little freedom killing app like this won't matter anyway.
- Gregg H.
Tweetdeck it is for me ... sadly it just got borked and refused to work on my Ubuntu 8.10 desktop
- Murali
falling in love with Alert Thingy... similar than Tweetdeck and more usable
- Luca Filigheddu
Now, if AlertThingy would work on my machine, I'd give that a try, but unfortunately, it doesn't populate the window with posts on my end. :(
- Alexander Kucera
I am still trying to figure out which one I like best, but for the most part I think twhirl is best for sending and TweekDeck is best for viewing.
- Chris Patterson
I use them both but mostly use Tweetdeck. It would be great to have better picture submission with Tweetdeck and a reduced memory footprint as I have to shut it down regularly as it becomes sluggish.
- Kirti Vashee