they must have seem you Leo directing all that bandwidth to north america ;)
- Bryce Campbell
I'd really like to go to China, but I don't know if I could handle a country that doesn't have the "real" Internet.
- Kimber Scott
Kimber Scott, i too would like to go and tour china -- i just think that would be very interesting, ya the government blocking and controlling the medias is a pain, but whats there to do?
- Bryce Campbell
Yep, must be Leo's fault. Home yet?
- Ace
from twhirl
It's the Leo effect ... all that posting .... keep making your mark Leo :-)
- Peter Konnecke
from email
You can very easily just use proxy servers in China, through for example yor firefox settings. Easy thing to do, then no sites can be blocked by them.
- Charbax
very true leo. for all the people that think there is no value in social networks or twitter they just need to look to china. if these services were not valuable at sharing information and news china would never shut them down ;)
- Rodney Rumford
Interesting! Not too surprised though...
- mahjongmi
China might not like that private user information of their citizen be in the hands of US companies, as we all know, all US companies have to provide backdoors to CIA, NSA and such into all online communications.
- Charbax
Well, you should come to Iran! It's much worse here. It's been quite a long time these web 2.0 sites have been blocked.
- Daryoosh (داريوش)
from fftogo
...and love absolute power & control.
- Corvida
from iPhone
"Yahoo Inc. this week launched a pre-emptive lawsuit against the NFL Players Association, saying it doesn't have to pay to use player photos and stats for its online fantasy football game. A licensing agreement between Sunnyvale-based Yahoo (Nasdaq: YHOO) and the players association lapsed in March, just before the players lost in a similar lawsuit involving CBS Interactive in April. The union is appealing that decision. Yahoo's suit filed June 1 in Minneapolis said that the players union's licensing representatives have threatened to sue if it doesn't pay for the information. An estimated 13 million to 15 million people participate in fantasy football games that gross more than $1 billion a year."
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
My son loves baseball and baseball cards and we read a book about baseball cards together that said that some of the cards used to airbrush the team insignias out of the photos so that they didn't have to pay licensing fees to the team in addition to the player.
- Thomas Hawk
I was thinking about this more (post Disqus comment) and the mid-20th century line occurred to me: "Would you buy a used car from this man?" In Louis' case, he would. :)
- John E. Bredehoft
Luke, the post is edited re Toyota. A quick slip. As for that saying, John, on Tuesday I told Robert I just might do that, with his photo. I clearly chose not to.
- Louis Gray
I figured, just thought I'd bring it to your attention
- Luke Stay
The post discusses important features, techniques and concepts behind these designs and explains why they are important, with examples from top sites. Highly recommended!
- Jan Horna
This is amust read article. Thanks for sharing.
- Rodney Rumford
What room to I find the most bleeding edge real time web thinking going on? The friendfeed saved searches room here: http://friendfeed.com/ffss -- I'm learning a lot about how people are discovering real time filtering there.
This experience could not have been easy for you and you had to follow your intuition. I do think the blog post should have stayed up as an example to all that this is a new transparent world and certain behaviour intended or not is just unacceptable.
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
Thank you Peter - very good point. There's a possibility I'll republish an edited version of the post later - to be honest I started editing it late last night and also all the comments and it became a big task! LOL. ;-)
- Mari Smith
By throwing away the blog post you also threw all 60 comments into the trash. as a commenter i would be bummed. :( You should never remove a blog post; especially if the facts are correct.
- Rodney Rumford
I am at the Half Moon Bay Ritz fire ring with @lkilpatrick and there are Oracle execs and Sun employees here. They got very quiet when I showed up. Nothing some wine can't solve! :-)
As long as they buy, there's no problem!
- Gregg Le Blanc
That's funny, normally Oracle have something to say about everything, and Sun are just compelled to talk.
- Clifford Kennedy
time to get the booze flowing and see what you can get. watched you on TWIT.TV long funny show tonite.
- Rodney Rumford
Unfortunately they all left before I could get them drunk enough.
- Robert Scoble
I mentioned @rahafharfoush tonight as the person that keynoted at Voices That Matter about her experience as a community manager for the Obama campaign. Here is the book she wrote, looks to be very interesting, great candidate for building 43, maybe try and get her while she is town tomorrow. http://www.amazon.com/inside-...
- Luke Kilpatrick
I will give them a demo of the real time web. Join in here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei... The class starts at about 12:30, so it'll be fun if this is rocking and rolling about that time.
- Robert Scoble
Not to push hard on Twitter, just find the right balance between being informative and abusive.
- Nir Ben Yona
the difference between signal and noise for a brand or company.
- Ted Bradford II
It's never been more important to keep up with the evolving web :) explain to them how you do that!
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
That there's no such thing as PR any more. They've all been had. It's as though they were being trained to be buggy whip manufacturers.
- Cliff Gerrish
Tell them you asked FriendFeed what to tell them
- Bwana ☠
take as many journalism classes as you can...refine your writing skills.
- George Dearing
Old school marketing is dead and Social Media is New school marketing. They need to stop thinking like a company and think like an individual.
- John Isaac
That real relationship make a difference.
- Kameya SHows
WAKE UP:: YOU HAVE NO CONTROL> merely an opportunity to participate and direct conversations. The bar of consumer expectations has been raised and they need to step up as the real time web gains velocity. The bullet train has already left the station. ;)
- Rodney Rumford
Traditional PR is NOT dead ... but social media strategies are in high demand.
- Jeff Grass
Social media for PR purposes: Humanize brands, monitor public opinion, two-way communication.
- Jeff Grass
fyi. we have a panel focused on PR from cisco, facebook, six apart and digg next week at www.gravitysummit.com
- Rodney Rumford
Public Relations now REALLY means public relations, you have to communicate at a whole different level, traditional PR is not dead but spin is.
- Patrick Boegel
Learn the recent case of Dominos and check out the CEO's response.
- Amit Nangare
everything you do or say on the internet is recorded for further evaluation and scrutiny - therefore the smallest detail could come back and bite you!
- shayne catrett
Rodney: you should always include http://www.gravitysummit.com so us lazy people can click and check out your conference. I'll try to be there next week, but I'm pretty slammed with Building43 stuff.
- Robert Scoble
if not already they should become familiar w/ how to adopt, learn and evaluate relevant usage of new digital tools & devices now while still in school - will help them immensely when they enter the workforce...
- mike "glemak" dunn
Cut down on the adjectives and flowery language. Get to the gist.
- Bryan R. Adams
Stop feeding corporate bull lingo. Be real, be fast, be authentic. Social media have shortened the crisis response time for PR
- don manu
That their professors know crap about real PR. They need to know how to pitch, how to work with social media, and how to write engaging press releases (not corporate vomit). Moreover, they need to practice...freelance, intern, or anything to get real-world experience.
- Chris Michaels
Tell them one of the most important skills to learn is storytelling. The industry is about storytelling and relationships regardless of the medium you use. Also highly recommend taking a year off, volunteer, live a year abroad, do something outside of PR. It provides a different perspective when you're back in the industry.
- Christi
If it isn't already required reading, they should read Cluetrain Manifesto. It's a seminal work that points to the future while providing insight into the past and how social media impacts and changes that. Everything since has just been restating the Cluetrain theses.
- Lydia Sugarman
Don: I would challenge whether social platforms have shortened the crisis resposne times for ALL corporations, brands and public relations entities. Amazon would have served to be more in-tune and responsive two weeks ago, but I do not feel that Domino's could provide much more than sorry in the initial wave of Boogergate.
- Patrick Boegel
You can't fake the message. Stakeholders potentially have insight and connections to everyone within your firm and will see through discrepencies between what you say and what you actually do.
- Neil Jensen
Regardless of the medium - traditional PR or new media - you will still need to show measurable results that ties to the business objective. Simply saying that you created a Facebook page or a Twitter account for a client does not mean anything unless you can show measurable impact.
- Kaye Monty
ummm Practice uhhhh getting uhhhh the ummms out uhhhh out of their uhhhh speech.
- Andrew Smith
If they are graduating soon, the only PR they will be doing in the near future is: "Would you like fries with that?"
- Steve Wilhelm
@Andrew, you sound like Michael Arrington!
- Pat Hawks
PR is two-way communication between an organization and all its constituents (who may or may not be customers). If you're not annoying your higher-ups by championing the cause of the public, you're just a stenographer.
- Casey Fryda
Tell them to ignore anyone who makes broad, sweeping generalizations about PR and delivers said generalizations in the form of advice!
- Kevin LaHaise
A minimal PR room on FriendFeed should include google alerts, twitter search, and backtype comments. Laura Norvig recommends making such rooms private, but since the data is publicly available anyway mine is public. You can use it as an example if you want: http://beta.friendfeed.com/ourdoin...
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Tell them all you learned on your visit to zappos
- Arvind
tell them to act with integrity at all times, and to look at the tools at their disposal as merely that - tools. if you act with integrity you'll never fear changing media conditions, new technologies, or anything else that "PR flacks" get attacked with. "this is the whole Law. the rest is but commentary."
- Jeremy Toeman
Remember what you say will be on the Internet and around the world as soon as its out of your mouth, dealing with errors quickly and smartly will be a key part of your job
- Kim Landwehr
Persuade them they'll have to learn to evangelize the benefits of letting go of control, and it won't be easy as a first job out of school.
- Amyloo
Tell them that when tragedy (or the unexpected) happens, don't try to cover up or hide information; just come clean and tell the public what you know. The speed of information on the web makes it impossible to cover up.
- Rod
OK, I'm in front of the class now, so they will see what you say.
- Robert Scoble
Hi, I'm Derrick. Don't be scared of the Swine Flu.
- Derrick
I honestly thought his site had issues (style sheet missing, etc)
- Bwana ☠
I've always thought Dave Winer's site was the epitome of simplistic
- Bwana ☠
Probably, but, from a purely visual sense it's hard to look at. (unless you have a big enough following and everyone plows through it anyway.
- Glen Group
Ask them whether they know the difference between B2B communication and B2C communication and whether social media has a role to play in either. And why?
- Darren Smith
Heyo Class! Be careful not to fear monger. I had to recently change a blog post title due to realizing it was "black hat" copywriting
- Mark Essel
Class, how would you deal with the recent Facebook Terms of Service mistakes? Did Facebook do a good job (with the vote) or could they do better?
- Andy Bold
Don't follow Scoble or else you'll become one of us
- Bwana ☠
Or if the class could answer questions here
- WorldofHiglet
yeah that'd be cool - have them ask us a question Sir Scoble
- Bwana ☠
Robert makes using FF easy, just follow him and a few other super filters and all their hard work in finding pearls will be revealed :D
- Mark Essel
Shel Isreal did that last week over Twitter. Search #UMD.
- Roberto Bonini
any question we can Google or twitter/FF for help with
- Mark Essel
class: how many of you had heard of Mr Scoble before today? How about 1 year ago?
- WorldofHiglet
That screwing up the MBR of all of your hard drives is the stupidest thing to do, next to hitting an officer while arrested? :P
- Daan Berg
from twhirl
Is there really a class on the other end of this feed? Let me see if I can find a good PR link-> ok here's my 2 cents, be genuine that's all. http://messel.typepad.com/my_webl...
- Mark Essel
What's great about using this is the class can come back to this if they are too busy listening to Scoble now!
- Glen Group
PR while representing a company is still a matter of building individual relationships that people can trust. We're a skeptical lot, so stay clear of heavy spin doctoring.
- Mark Essel
In case you guys don't know Robert Scoble (I just started learning about the cool stuff he does recently), check out this background info-> http://messel.typepad.com/my_webl...
- Mark Essel
Beware of people starting their line with: "Reading The Story from Robert McKee while sipping another Pepsi Max, as my new Nokia 5800 started ringing..."
- Nir Ben Yona
Mark, we know he's really talking to a class, because if he were just sitting at his computer he'd be jumping into the conversation more. No photographic evidence required this time.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
psychology, at least minor in it, every major should.
- Monique
You blew me away with it, since you showed I have joined
- James Armfield
:) great idea, Robert - interactive classroom FTW!
- WorldofHiglet
Well I'm too late for this, but it just seems people are tired of Spin. They want authenticity and truth from companies. Companies lose people's trust with spin. John Wooden said he rarely scouted other teams. He said he was trying to compete with himself and make his own team better instead of trying to dissect the weaknesses of the other teams.
- Stephen Pickering
This class was very interesting to speak to. Twitter's CEO is speaking there on Thursday. I told them to Tweet everything he says. :-)
- Robert Scoble
How good is this class? The students themselves convinced Jack from Twitter to come and speak. I like student initiative!
- Robert Scoble
nice - i speak at colleges a lot and always leave feeling good about the future :)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Be "a real person" and write in friendly tone and concise way. :-)
- PRBristolco.uk
If you could pan the picture to the right on that beach, you would see Krakatoa in the distance - that's in Indonesia, where everyone wore speedos back then
- Jesse Stay
I don't tend to tweet pictures, but if I did I'd probably go with pic.im, since I use tr.im for links (same company, same account).
- Voyagerfan5761
from fftogo
went to check out pic.im. first thing on the main page: photo of an erect penis. now that's an unexpected answer to "what are you doing?".
- Hendrik Neumann
twitpic provides an option to view the pictures in their original size, other services simply shrink your pictures
- topo
Don't tweet photos much but when I do I use twitpic - usually it's the most convenient.
- Julie
Tarpipe.com, it's like Yahoo Pipes for your photos. Tarpipe posts my photo to flickr and then tweets the flickr url. That way my photo is in just one location, and in an established photo sharing site. I don't trust all these overnight barebone twitter services. Here is my current workflow: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Daniel Sims
i like http://www.tweetphoto.com but hey... i happen to have designed the site. ;) I can't say what all the functionality is; but i will say it is a richer experience than any of the sites mentioned. ;)
- Rodney Rumford
My kids keep me going - it's one of the reasons I love being an entrepreneur. I get to hear the pitter-patter of their feet above me all day long, and can go up any time I want to play.
- Jesse Stay
That is interesting name. What's the origin?
- petar vucetin
of course they should. they should be practitioners and eat their own dog food. anyone that does not and tries to sell their services/products is full of it.
- Rodney Rumford
you bet they should..the smart ones realize in order to take a larger piece of the interactive pie they have to be savvy on all social media fronts..tools,adoption,metrics,integration etc..
- George Dearing
How would anyone consider using a social media vendor who is not using the platforms themselves?
- Chris Frost
I'm sure Twhirl is fabulous and I really appreciate @Loic and his engaging method of development, but I just can't beat TweetDeck's multi-column layout. It's ideal for a 30" cinema display but equally at home running full screen on MBPro
- Conor Ogle
TweetDeck uses too much memory for my computer, so I use Twhirl
- Qbat
Neither, I still prefer Twitterific on a Mac. If I had to decide between these both: probably Twhirl, even though I hate their scrolling implementation.
- Holger Eilhard
I used twhirl all the time till I started using TweetDeck a week ago but now I'm back on twhirl
- Dennis R.
from twhirl
I like them both but prefer tweetdeck for single account mgmt. Twirl works well for multiple account mgmt
- Tim FitzGerald
I go back and forth between the two. TweetDeck: love the multi-column group management, but hate the memory usage and inability to sync group lists across machines. Twhirl: I like the FriendFeed and Seesmic integration, but I miss the group list management offered by TweetDeck. To TweetDeck's credit, they are soliciting input on what issues to tackle next; group sync and memory issues were on the list.
- Brian Shoemaker
I prefer the Tweetdeck interface but am using Twhirl because I need to manage multiple accounts.
- Herb Hernandez
I'm shopping around for a second monitor just for twhirl.
- KyleHase
from twhirl
tweetdeck seems good, haven't invested enough time reallly to know, but initial impressions were good. Twhirl has good features, but UI is terrible.
- Sam
from twhirl
At home, Tweetdeck. What about when mobile though? I used tweetdeck on a UMPC at MBC09 (saves my mobile phone for other duties!) and will have a bunch of mobile PC devices at SXSW to do the same (i'm testing them) Seems to me that Tweetdeck + powerful browser on the go would be perfect for microbloggers.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
I prefer to use clients that extend beyond twitter.. Preferably Friendfeed and Facebook as well. feedalizr is good. Any other alternatives?
- Abhishek Kumar
from feedalizr
Twhirl feels clunky and it's UI is too complex. Twitterific is perfect for day to day personal use, but Tweetdeck is great for corp accounts.
- Giovanni Ghignone
I use TweetDeck primarily, but it needs Twhirl's lookup feature in the worst way. That one feature keeps me going back and forth. Oh yeah, and multiple accounts. Love Twhirl for that.
- Gimme Blu Frog!
neither of them, They just don't feel right to me. I developed my own which has what I need.
- Darren Stuart
I use Twhirl more, just got Tweetdeck a day ago, like the layout for management. I love Spaz though, sorry!
- Jay Cameron
I started as a big Twhirl fan, til the day it wasn't working. I desperately seek for an option and tried TweetDeck. It was too big in my screen, too annoying with its sound alerts, but then, ok: it got me! groups features became very handy and good to use Twitter for working tasks. I still think TweetDeck could benefit from some Twhirl features - specially after Seesmic acquisition, but can't see myself going back to it anymore.TweetDeck is my favorite one! =]
- May
i'm liking the new twhirl has some great features and looks like the tool for seesmic users for sure, tweetdeck would be my pick if i was following loads of people
- Adam Gersbach
@Abhishek Kumar I did crowdstatus.com and have built an AIR client based on it but its still not ready as I am in an arms race :p
- Darren Stuart
I use Thwirl 'cause they support Identi.ca, and I can use Identi.ca to post on twitter too. Otherwise i think TweetDeck is a better client for Twitter.
- Norbert Evenich
from twhirl
I use both. Twhirl allows both of my accounts open side-by-side and it's integration with Seesmic is VERY cool. Tweetdeck's layout has superior advantages - especially "sub-groups" and topics to follow.
- Stan Dubin
TweetDeck + real-time FriendFeed in a small browser window: best way to waste time on teh net.
- bnoise
I like Tweetdeck but recently added a second Twitter account so now using Twhirl. If Tweetdeck had multiple account functionality (and Friendfeed connection) I would switch back.
- Henk de Kruyff
from twhirl
I'm using Friendfeed Realtime and Tweetdeck if I'm not on my Samsung NC10 Netbook.
- Marius Quadflieg
I love Twhirl, but it only lacks the groups of users feature of Tweetdeck. I love Tweetdeck, but it lacks the notifying popup for each twit of Twhirl.
- americanm
Tweetdeck on my personal laptop (usage times vary - not always on). Last night app wasn't working right!
- Susan Beebe
I prefer Tweetdeck. Don't ask me why, call it design or robustness but I like it better.
- Carlos Lorenzo
Some sort of hybrid of the two would be perfect, until then I use both.
- Iain Baker
I can't decide, I like Tweetdeck because its nice and big and love the muliple colums, but I like twhirl because I can pick up Friendfeed, Seesmic and TWitarmy.... hard to decide
- Kim Landwehr
I use tweetdeck because of the groups. I have a tab for my favorites and one for people in my country/language (Netherlands). I don't care much for other features like video or integration with other services. Ideally tweetdeck would have the possibility of one column with tabs and save groups and searches.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
Robert, this goes back to your recent "real-time web" post: how do you gather together the outcomes of discussions on the various sites? Someone could post a great comment on the post at scobleizer.com, but it wouldn't show up on your FriendFeed unless you or someone else did an equivalent of a re-tweet. What's the preferred reply etiquette these days?
- Paul Robertson
I had thwirl, but never really used it much. I did switch to tweetdeck a while ago (for the second time and have grown to like it a lot. However, I use mobile apps most (slandr/twitstat mobile).
- Arne Hulstein
Tweetdeck is lifesaver by allowing groups.
- Kenley Neufeld
I don't use any Twitter clients. I use Twhirl for Laconica
- LouCypher
While my first choice is still the Web, for TwitApps I am a Twhirl Girl.
- Martha
I would love to have all in real time browser windows. Think about FF meets socialthing - having friends not only from FF but also importing them from each service you have an account on.
- bnoise
twhirl will always rule for me until someone else allows me to do ff in the same client. Although Tweetdeck has some great features, the future of client apps is clearly in supporting multiple networks, which only twhirl does, so it's no contest.
- Todd Brunner
from twhirl
If TweetDeck handled multiple accounts, I'd probably switch back. I like grouping folks so I'm not forced to unfollow those who leash bouts of Twitterrhea ;)
- Carolyn
I switch between both depending on the mood of the day.. The one feature I am waiting on is the group feature in Twhirl.. then hard to judge..
- Bill Moore
from twhirl
I still just use the web interface, or Cellity Tweeter or one of the WAP/mobile web-based clients, if I'm Twittering on my phone.
- Tyson Key
TweetDeck. No doubt.I love groups and searches for monitoring things. Especially once I wrote backup/restore scripts so I could move settings between machines.
- Scott Kingery
Twhirl, because A) I don't have the money/extra hardware to donate to using tweetdeck full screen, and it annoys me to horizontally scroll and B) because I find the group function useless. I don't want to see every last tweet I just want trends, so groups just add more columns to watch. Only thing I liked about tweetdeck was twitscoop, great for watching for events.
- BCK
I rotate between Twhirl and the Firefox add-on, Friendbar.
- Doug
DestroyTwitter is a really nice program as well.. and fast...
- Jaap Willem
from twhirl
Twhirl does FriendFeed, laconica, and seesmic too. Support bit.ly + api for stats. winner hands down.
- Glenn Batuyong
Will have to try the new Twhirl, but if its anything like the old, then I will probably still prefer Tweetdeck's multi column interface
- Peter Efland
Until Tweetdeck supports multi account I won't even consider leaving Twhirl
- adolfo foronda
I just tried twhirl again and shut it off immediately and went back to tweetdeck. I like the groups in tweetdeck a lot. It allows me to follow a group more closely as it lowers the noise for that group.
- Shamir Katsu
Alert Thingy just made a new release too. TC wrote them up. From the post, "...AlertThingy has added support for six more services: Ping.fm, Basecamp, Huddle, TwitPic, TwitterSearch, and Yammer. That makes for a total of 13 services, which already included Digg, Facebook, Flickr, Jaiku, TinyURL, Tumblr, and Twitter."
- coldbrew
I use twhirl 4 multi-accounts and tweetdeck 4 main account. I also use 3 monitors running on the same computer & tweetdeck dedicated to one.
- Moses Kpetigo
I like twhirl because it supports identi.ca as well as FriendFeed. If TweetDeck supported FriendFeed, I'd make the switch. Oh, multiple accounts - Twhirl does that, TweetDeck is lacking
- Colin Charles
from twhirl
They're both unfree. Don't use either of them. Use a free one. If there is no free one, then don't use one till there is.
- Gregg H.
Gregg: what do you mean? I haven't paid for either one.
- Robert Scoble
Agreed- both are free. Who is paying? I think twhirl is great for general use and multiple services (as you pointed out), Tweetdeck is good for those that really, really want (or need) to organize their stream. The interface is daunting however and I found Tweetdeck was slow to update. Now if you are talking iApps- Twitterfon FTW! I also love the "get more people to talk about it!" line- Scoble continues to tell it like it is.
- Alyx
from twhirl
Twhirl is much improved! Tweetdeck is too big and I don't like it.
- PC Easy
from twhirl
Robert: Free, as in freedom. But, I suppose if you're using a completely user subjugating OS that has no respect for your freedom like Mac or Windows, then one more little freedom killing app like this won't matter anyway.
- Gregg H.
Tweetdeck it is for me ... sadly it just got borked and refused to work on my Ubuntu 8.10 desktop
- Murali
falling in love with Alert Thingy... similar than Tweetdeck and more usable
- Luca Filigheddu
Robert - interesting post but it doesn't sound like a war to me. Aren't both clients offering solutions to different problems?
- Iain Dodsworth
Now, if AlertThingy would work on my machine, I'd give that a try, but unfortunately, it doesn't populate the window with posts on my end. :(
- Alexander Kucera
I am still trying to figure out which one I like best, but for the most part I think twhirl is best for sending and TweekDeck is best for viewing.
- Chris Patterson
I use them both but mostly use Tweetdeck. It would be great to have better picture submission with Tweetdeck and a reduced memory footprint as I have to shut it down regularly as it becomes sluggish.
- Kirti Vashee
Just stumbled upon this post and want to add, that I found a way to sync TweetDeck groups betweed different machines using Dropbox and junctions. Just put the Appdata Directory of TweetDeck into Dropbox as a junction and on the other machine make a junction from the Dropbox directory into the Appdata directory. Quite geeky I know but that's how I keep different apps' settings in sync and it works well :)
- Dennis R.
a local one that knows the prices on the web and adapt his prices based on that. If he is very talented and connected with the other photographer this a very goog thing, because he will get your old camera and sell it to somebody else. I got one like that in the area, but this is in Switzerland ;-)
- Frédéric Sidler
If in NY, Adorama or B&H; helpful to buy from someone who understands cameras (and, esp lenses). If mail order, then either of above or Amazon (Amazon is return friendly, so low risk if issues arise)
- Barry Graubart
I've used B&H since the early 80s. JR.com is excellent, also.
- John Craft
I ordered from Adorama - website does not show stock levels. Two weeks of being told by surprisingly rude service staff they had no stock, I sourced one elsewhere. Successfully cancelled Adorama order and yet next day UPS arrived with Adorama stock. Strange, expensive experience.
- Conor Ogle
I purchased my 5D MK II from Crutchfield. Normally I would buy from B&H, but they were not accepting orders in early December due to the backlog. I ordered one on Dec. 1, it delivered on Dec 28th. Great customer experience from Crutchfield. http://www.crutchfield.com
- Francis Shepherd
I've had bad experiences with Adorama and Abe's of Maine, similar to Conor's. From Abe's, I had a "credit card verification" call, because I was shipping the SLR to a different address than my credit card. That was a day after the order, the next business day (a Monday), I got another call saying my AMEX didn't go through! With virtually no spending limit, I told them that's impossible....
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- Paul Salzman
from twhirl
(I meant $20 more than Abe's) and ordered with the same card, btw (some reason I couldn't edit the comment).
- Paul Salzman
I bought mine from Adorama and had an excellent experience. I know people complain about stock levels, and I would too if I was on the wrong end of that waiting period but I ordered mine, and it was shipped the next business day. I've also purchased a lot of camera gear from Amazon and BHphoto.com, great experiences with both of them as well, just didn't have the 5D in stock when I wanted to buy.
- Michael
i would look at Fry's Electronics. it is where i buy most of my stuff
- Rodney Rumford
Rodney: I would never buy a camera like this from Fry's. First of all, they don't carry a lot of high end gear. Second of all, I've gotten too many things there that were previously opened. Third, I want to deal with someone who understands cameras at least a little bit.
- Robert Scoble
Adorama or B&H. I give the edge to Adorama because their customer service is top notch.
- Carlos Ayala
I don't mind waiting for items which are not in stock. What I don't appreciate is a website which is alone in NOT showing items are out-of-stock/backordered and then processes my order before contacting me after 2 days to advise stock situation. I prefer Calumet (certainly in the UK) though their online stock level information isn't perfect either. I don't need any sales service - I have chosen exactly what I want before I start my online transaction - I just want to pay and secure delivery.
- Conor Ogle
well depends on how u define best.If all u care is the lowest price then there are several of those I bet.If you care bout if the product is genuine & service etc then there are a few of those. So the thing to ask really is What criteria to use to buy a specific product from one of many retailers.
- Baba
I bought my Nikon D300 from 17photo.com; the main reason was while Amazon, Adorama, BH, Ritz etc said that they are backordering (because of popular demand and lack of the product at the very beginning) less-known stores like 17Photo were offering it "in stock" And as a Turkish guy living in Istanbul, I dared to order my D300 (and a couple of accessoires) from 17Photo (shipped to Portland) And I was very happy with the results
- Ozgur Poyrazoglu
Right now, Adorama seems to be leading the pack in terms of getting 5D mk iis. I'm an affiliate for adorama, b&h etc and Adorama's not only selling the most, but they seem to be delivering within a few days even if their site says not in stock - please read my blog post http://bit.ly/lR5b where Adorama customer service contacted me out of the blue! They're working customer service issues around the web it seems. They're even posting on forums now. Good CS.
- planetMitch
Update: even while typing my comment above, adorama contacted me via twitter to say: "@planetMitch We're getting them in every 10 days or thereabouts.helen.oster@adoramacamera.com. Adorama Customer Service Ambassador" No other photo vendor i know of is using Twitter/forums to help customers.
- planetMitch
Amazon, J&R or B&H. I used to get stuff from Adorama too but now they charge tax for both NY & NJ so now I only get the occasional small item from them that I can just pick up from their storefront.
- ronin
B&H - since I'm local I can physically go there, and mail orders get to me in 2 days. I've bought a few things at Adorama. And if I want something on a Saturday I go to J&R (since B&H and Adorama are closed for Sabbath).
- Tom Harrison
B&H is a great online vendor (for those of us not local). I hate to say it, but the brick and mortars like Keeble & Shuchat in Palo Alto, and Pro Photo in Portland have a tough road ahead. What I do not do is pick their brains and buy elsewhere however. If I go in those stores and poke around solo, I'm OK with buying elsewhere, but I only engage a salesperson when I know I'm about to give them some business.
- Ryan
I am totally biased, but I recommend B&H :)
- Shmully Litvin
this question could be construed as a way to get people to talk bout Vendors for free thereby advertising them.Maybe Scoble is finding a new revenue model to get more moolah for his Brand.Possible that the mention of these many vendors gets more traffic without actually pushing the vendor. Nice way to market.
- Baba
Without question Hunts Photo. Gary Farber always come thru when you need your equipment no matter what the wait line is like.
- Juan Pons
Rodney: you must live close to a "good' Fry's, because my shopping experience there has been consistently bad. Poor service after sale, unknowledgeable salespeople, horrible product-return experience and bad housekeeping. The only thing I buy at Fry's is components, when I need them in a pinch. Certainly would never buy anything high-end there. If Costco sold the 5D Mark II, I'd buy there before Fry's!
- Paul Salzman
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Most of my electronics are purchased through B&H. I've also used J&R and Adorama, but always check B&H first. Now if only the economy could turn around, I would love to place an order for this item!
- jcunwired
B+H: Closed on sundays, closes randomly for religious holidays, frequently out of stock. Crutchfield: Order once, they will spam you forever with catalogs. Adorama: Good. Abe's of Maine: good, Buydig.com: If it's in stock, it's cheaper. Most camera places will give you the BS "Credit card verification phone call" which is actually the "upsell you on accessories" call. I hate this about buying camera gear -- it never happens with computer gear. Stay away from Fry's for this sort of thing as well.
- netik
I have a wonderful local store who I occasionally do work for (I do their monthly newsletters and geek stuff) http://www.acephoto.net Their website isn't much, but every person there is a pro photographer and he's been a Canon Authorized dealer for over 15 years and has a loyal following in the DC Metro area.
- David Silvernail
Did you get the input you were looking for ? Presume I can guess which article you are referring to !
- Murali
Robert, I use B&H and Amazon almost exclusively. Adorama can be OK, but I don't prefer them as their automated communications regarding order and shipment status sucks compered with Amazon and B&H. My only knock about B&H is their bizarre hours of operation due to their observation of the Jewish religion.
- Jeff P. Henderson
I live in NYC so I'd probably walk over to Adorama or B&H with the price from their site in my hand
- Bastard Operator From FF
Amazon or B&H. My current camera is from Circuit City (before this dying thing) because they had a crazy deal at the time. Otherwise, I trust the two I named.
- Jordan Hofker
Online, I'd go with B&H. I've never been disappointed by their service. Local, I'd go to Keeble & Shuchat. I came an inch from putting myself on their wait list. Opted for a different Canon.
- Rick Bucich
B&H, Amazon, or Adorama (in that order)
- Matthew Hunt
Got mine from Amazon, the only camera dealer that 1) has never defrauded me and 2) doesn't turn off their online store on days I like to shop.
- William Storage
Amazon all the way. It's their business to perfect the online retail model, and they are doing a very good job. If you have Prime, or a friend with it, you can have the camera to your door much quicker and cheaper than any competitors.
- Tyler Brownfield
I went with Amazon for our 5D Mark II. Arrived in two days, as usual, free shipping. I'd also check with Dell, especially if you have a biz rep -- Dell can usually beat anyone's price if they like you (e.g. you order lots from them), but shipping may be a bit slower. Back when the 30D was new, I got two from Dell for about 20% less than Amazon's lowest price.
- lilbyrdie
I live in NYC, so I buy outside NY. BeachCamera.com is usually cheapest. B&H is great if you don't live here though.
- Tamar Weinberg
Trying it out again. They need to enable searches to be pulled into other windows or something. One thing I love about PeopleBrowsr is being able to see everything side by side. If I could have this option with twhirl I would use it more often.
- Brandon Titus
from twhirl
Some good new features. They really have thought about this.
- Pete Gilbert
from twhirl
Allready tried it out and I love it! I highly recomend Twirl as your Twitter and Seesmic client
- Spyros Papaspyropoulos
from twhirl
Twhirl is looking good I like the linked comments, tweetdeck layout better though wish Twhirl would have a way of connecting the windows so they all move together like ImgBurn
- David
from twhirl
I couldn't remember why I stopped using thwirl to begin with, and now I remember. It's addicting. With the new features, i fear for the worst.
- adam garrett
from twhirl
I haven't got it to work yet :( 32bit Vista. It gets installed but when I try to start it the process starts but nothing "pops up". It runs in the background but it doesn't show. Have tried to uninstall twhirl and air, and the install it again, rebooted the computer several times, but still the same :(
- Qbat
Works fine on my machine, seesmic posting and all. :-)
- Richard A.
How is this conceptually different than Digsby?
- Patrick Moorhead
Awesome! I had stopped using Twhirl but it might be time to try it out again.
- Martha
good ol' loic. :P i dont like twhirl with FF (nothing to do with the program, just prefer the webpage) but that's handy.
- Terry O'Fee
cool! sorry for reply late & thank you for following me on twitter.i'll try to continually tweet valuable info. for you. have a nice day! regards,
- Yasuyuki Goto
Is this video available for download by any chance? I had loaded the Kyte video and started watching it, did something else, and came back to find it reloading/stalled
- Paul Jacobson
from twhirl
Its getting better release by release
- BCK
from twhirl
thanks for this. am embarrassed to admit that, thanks to this video, i JUST NOW realized I could access friendfeed through my twhirl client. maybe I'll finally start conversing more here (instead of just posting). THANKS!
- amzam
from twhirl
Does anyone have it yet. I heard monday but I saw somewhere that someone already had the new twhirl.
- Sweyn Venderbush
Maybe someone here has some input for the startup/dissappearing problem many people have with twhirl. Go to this site and see if you can help us: http://getsatisfaction.com/seesmic...
- Qbat
I just got it and am using it right now...
- Tim Wright
from twhirl
@sweyn I installed it a short while ago. I am still exploring the new functionality and enjoy the saved searches and Seesmic improvements the most.
- Paul Jacobson
from twhirl
Don't mean to seem dense, but what version is this in the video? I have 0.8.7 but can't find a newer one on the twhirl.org site...
- Craig Eddy
I wish it had the same option to create a group of people you are following like tweetdeck has.
- americanm
from twhirl
OK, so I'm trying out the new Twhirl. It's come a LONG way since I used it last. WOW! When will it be possible to POST videos to Seesmic via Twhirl? That would be great to have.
- Lisha Sterling
from twhirl
Qbat: I have 32 bit Vista Ultimate and working fine so far.
- Patrick Moorhead
from twhirl
I still can't abide by the FriendFeed window in twhirl. It almost gives me a head ache for some reason. Too much info/text on one window perhaps. Not sure what it is exactly. But definitely digging the ping.fm integration and the new seesmic stuff. Also, the big "Exit Twhirl" button on the Accounts dialog, placed right where one would normally find the "OK/Cancel" buttons to close the dialog, has bitten me almost every time I've been to the Accounts dialog.
- Craig Eddy
Amazing, but on a 15' screen, it implies to have 3 Twhirl windows over the web browser. Not very convenient, especially for FF :(
- Jérôme Flipo
Everything I have ever written on Friendfeed has been from Twhirl. Baffles me why some would prefer the site. New Twhirl features look killer, but I'd be using it anyway because of the Friendfeed integration.
- Todd Brunner
from twhirl
Good news, Linux users! The new twhirl not only works on linux, it even records video properly for sending to Seesmic. Awesome.
- Lisha Sterling
from twhirl
looks great, will be interesting to try it out and see if it can get back into the fight against tweetdeck
- Peter Efland
thank you all for your good comments and Robert again for making the video!
- Loic Le Meur
Yes.. thanx to RObert and Loic =) can't wait for my twhirl to work =) it looks really great and I hear only positive things about it.!
- Qbat
The new Twhirl is great, and might replace TweetDeck for me now.
- Josh
from twhirl
The new Twhirl still has the same old bugs. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
does it still take up as much memory as firefox? if so, no go.
- Richard Lawler
video chopped and then crashed browser... doh
- mikepk
I wonder if the two biggiest bugs are fixed. 1, that you can only see a few recent tweets everytime you restart Twhirl & and if you click on someone who has their profile on private, then it prompts you to log in again.
- PC Easy
from twhirl
cant wait for it to be released. like very much the short searches
- natadd
from twhirl