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For those of you who use Twitter, do you like seeing people you subscribe to tweet a link to each post on their blog? Or does that annoy you? (e.g., if you wanted to be notified of their blog entries, you'd subscribe to their blog's RSS feed)
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Personally, I've assumed the latter and thus have avoided tweeting a link to every new post of mine on my blog. But I'm noticing that the former seems to be the norm... and if people really appreciate such notifications (maybe they don't use a feed reader?) then I'm happy to accommodate.
- Adam Lasnik
For me, it's really easy for me to unfollow people who fill their twitter stream with redundant information. FriendFeed aggregates RSS feeds, if I really wanted that.
- John μller
It depends on the percentage if their tweets that a self-links. If it's almost all they do, it's annoying.
- Brett Kelly
I don't really mind that. What is annoying, though, is if people post their location (via Brightkite etc.) every couple of minutes.
- Horst Gutmann
fact is that tweeting brings more readers... since I have 10 times more followers than subscribers
- Ihar Mahaniok
Twitter is also much more spam-bot friendly than your RSS feed == Twitter is better ;-)
- Horst Gutmann
It is helpful if I am a reader of their blog, and know that they will respond to @replies on the topic.
- Mike Chelen
if they post all the blog entries on twitter, I drop their RSS feed and follow only the tweets.
- righini riprova
Adam - If it's not overdone, think it's fine. Just more ongoing 'in-the-moment' discovery. Have even been known to do it myself .. occasionally :)
- Charlie Anzman
I think it is cool in moderation. You have to mix it up. I respect when people post things from their blog and other sources in the same space. I am much more inclined to click their links if that is the case.
- nickgs
I auto-tweet from my personal blog. Then again I don't blog every five minutes.
- Ian May
It does not annoy me if the tweets are on the edges of the blog and not necessarily in the main body.
- Lester Greenberg
Isn't that the whole point of social media site - to share interesting content?
- Dilip Dand
I don't mind if it's in reference to something else, or even something really interesting, but yes, that's what Google Reader is for!
- Californian
I really don't mind all that much. As long as it isn't spammed too often I can live with it.
- John Ford
from Nambu
Don't mind, not as annoying as the same re-tweets by 10 people your following
- Stuart Evans
It's annoying if they send too many posts and if they don't give a good comment about the link.
- Anurag Nigam
The latter for me
- Brandon Mendelson
Depends on the context for me. If the subject of the post complements the views of the tweeter, that's fine by me, but too many irrelevant or offtopic and I'll unfollow without a second thought.
- Stuart Gray
It doesn't really bother me. In fact, there have been times when I missed a post on RSS but then caught it on twitter. Typically if I see a blog tweet I'll read it I have time, but if not I know I can catch it later on RSS.
- Alex Hellstrom
Wow, the diversity of opinions here surprises and intrigues me. Thanks, everyone, for the thoughtful input. I'm still undecided on what to do, but leaning towards tweeting more of my posts now (particularly given that I don't blog that often AND I do tend to tweet at least daily).
- Adam Lasnik
I don't mind it at all. I have some friends who have set their blogs to auto-tweet whenever they have a new entry but also use twitter for comments and @replies. It is just one of many different pieces of content and, since it is under 140 characters, easy to ignore in its redundancy with my GReader. I say go for it!
- Miss Elle
Agreed with Anurag too, the tweet should contain substantive context to help determine if the post will be interesting to me.
- Mike Chelen
Booman Tribune ~ Harassment of ACORN - http://www.boomantribune.com/story...
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"ACORN hires felons because felons need work. If they don't get work they will be sorely tempted to revert back to a life of crime. I can't believe it is appropriate to use their work-release program (which is a public service) as probable cause to raid their offices. And those 300 fraudulent registration cards? They're supposed to get weeded out by the staff before they are submitted to the Board of Elections. But, in some states, ACORN is required to turn in any and all cards they receive. In that case, they try to bundle the ones they consider suspect in a pile. You want to know how you get a fraudulent form? One ex-employee of ACORN reached by the state investigator told him she began making up names for her forms on days when it was too hot to work outside. ACORN canvassers are paid by the hour. Ex-employees also said they were expected to collect 20 complete forms a shift or risk probation and termination, the investigator said in his affidavit."
- Admiral Anika
from Bookmarklet
85+ of the Best Twitterers Designers Should Follow - http://mashable.com/2009...
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ooohhhh . . . gives me new people to follow
- Lindsey is Fierce!
Sometimes I suspect that POTUS is Barack Obama's secret identity--just a cover for his real life, in which he is a crime-fighting superhero.
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I think that would totally work as a TV show.
- Alex Scoble
Mild-mannered President of the United States by day. Foiler of muggers, vampires, and Dr. Evil by night. :)
- Amanda
Now, I know I haven't done any drugs. I'm a clean guy. I drink every so often. Even so, I just took a drug test for my new job, and it has my heart pounding and breathing shallow and worried what the results will be.
Kol Tregaskes, Penguin It's Cold Outside, Katie: Whelmed Overly and 15 other people liked this
Is it the kind of drug test where they actually give you drugs? Because that would explain your reaction.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I have the funniest drug test story ever . . . but I can only tell it in person
- Lindsey is Fierce!
I had to take a drug test too, and even though I'm 100 percent clean it still had me nervous.
- Sue Radd
Was there a guy standing next to you to make sure you weren't using someone else's urine?
- Derrick
Remember the old Broadway song?? "The Secret Service Makes Me Nervous" :)
- Roberto Bonini
The worst for me is the pee-in-a-cup test. Since I know they're waiting for me, I get wicked shy-bladder.
- Jon, the Beartato of FF
from fftogo
I drank a liter of cranberry juice before I went. Hopefully, it cleaned out my system enough.
- Mike Nayyar
When I took mine a few years ago, I was thinking "I hope no one switches the samples!"
- Bwana ☠
Interestingly it could also be called "intelligence test"... :P Failing a drug-test tells enough about a person, anyway...
- Jemm
Have you had any poppyseed muffins in the past few days? LOL
- Steve
I had one before my new job, too. And I had, without thinking, taken Benadryl the day before. I was petrified that it'd show up as methadone or something and I'd be screwed.
- Nine
I think the nervousness says one of 2 things: 1. lack of confidence in its accuracy or 2. feelings that this is an invasion of your privacy.
- April Russo (app103)
Valium and percocet are a nice combination to calm you down. Or, you could just smoke a joint, but it makes some people paranoid.
- Cristo
The nice thing about Valium and Percocet is that you can get away with taking those if you have a prescription. MJ showing up a drug test will most likely get you fired.
- Alex Scoble
He already took the drug test.
- Cristo
Ok - we'll give you a pass on saying you haven't done any drugs but that you use alcohol. ;) But anyway, +1 Chris.
- Anthony Citrano
it's that poppy seed muffin you had for breakfast
- mike "glemak" dunn
BTW I love how dumb it is what they choose to test for. But that's another story...
- Anthony Citrano
Had to take a test once where a guy was in the urinal with me...at least I thought he was there to monitor my test.
- Steve
It's the only test I know I can always pass! I've passed it about 30 times over the last 9 years.
- David Cook
from fftogo
Update: I passed my test, which I knew I would. Now, when I said I didn't do drugs, I should have clarified: I don't consider mary jane a drug. But I haven't done that. Plus, I've never been well at ease with drugs tests. I feel like that's the sort of thing to stay between me and my doctor.
- Mike Nayyar
My Hollywood Family- The Shocking Truth - http://queenofspainblog.com/2009...
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Prove that Techcrunch did not pay @biz $10,000 to get on Twitter's suggested friend list. They sure were not more popular than @leolaporte two weeks ago.
Wayne Sutton, Iván Abrego, Jay Neff and 114 other people liked this
Leolaporte deserves to be on the list -- he had twice as many followers as @Techcrunch did a week ago. Twitter's list is corrupt.
- Robert Scoble
Interesting suggestion but hard to prove or disprove.
- Liz
I'm out of the loop. Where is the list?
- Will Johnston
How about prove that they did?
- Omar Gallaga
Will: you go to friends/suggested friends on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
wow's he's totally left you for dead, he's a smartie that arrington
- Bob Sonin
Omar: that is easy. Twitter has no criteria for getting on this list and mostly added big brands onto the list.
- Robert Scoble
Why $10,000? Are you just making up a figure or are you privy to some information? (As an aside, I see Brooke Burke on the list with 62,000+ followers. Wow, when did THAT happen?)
- Omar Gallaga
Bob: I will have the final revenge. In a year all the influentials will be on friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Yeah, I'm liking this, on the 'guilty until proven innocent' premise that Techcrunch seem comfortable in applying to all and sundry, including FB and Last FM within just the last week..
- Andy Connell
Scoble, interesting assertion, but... I must ask: who the f*ck cares? :)
- l0ckergn0me
I'm on the list, and I certainly don't have $10,000 to give anyone. Do you think I somehow bribed them, Robert? Hmm?
- Veronica
l0ckergn0me - I echo that sentiment completely.
- Mitch
who cares?? i'd rather follow that interest me. not how many followers they have..
- Terry O'Fee
Couldn't this also be taken as a statement on the morals of TechCrunch?
- MarkCarras
guilty until proven innocent?
- Mark Collier
I just noticed Robert's not on the list. Oh my God, I think I just figured it all out!
- Omar Gallaga
Robert, if you're so big on meritocracy, why have you, or the friendfeed founders driven by my ff posts without a 'like' or 1,000 retweets by now? You follow me. I've tweeted big news or quality stuff, and watch the "A-List" wait to see it from another "A-lister" before they'll retweet. Power liking some small fries mixed in with friends just so you can point to your proof is bs. Why hammer Twitter for the 1,000th time?
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
so now we know Twitter's monetization strategy
- practicehacker
Way to spread FUD.
- Veronica
way to spread BS :P
- Terry O'Fee
Mark - yeah, gupi.. too complicated?
- Andy Connell
Hmm, never checked the list before. Wonder if new users use it a lot, or maybe I'm the only one who doesn't.
- Will Johnston
Ed: just today I Twitteted several people with fewer than 50 followers.
- Robert Scoble
Veronica: prove it is FUD. THAT is why this feature is corrupt.
- Robert Scoble
REALITY CHECK, ROBERT: NOBODY CARES. :)
- l0ckergn0me
Please... prove it's true. Is this just TC you're accusing, or everyone on the list?
- Veronica
Robert, you made the accusation. I think it's on you to prove there's something to your finger pointing beyond just... you know... your finger.
- Omar Gallaga
Veronica: I am not on the list. Neither is @leolaporte. We both had more followers than you did (and more than many on the list). Now I am wondering.
- Robert Scoble
@techcrunch and @veronica don't appear on my suggestedfriends list so is it a random list then?
- Iain
l0ckergn0me - Reality check .. YOU don't care...
- Andy Connell
Veronica - let's forget about Robert's question - being on that list provides more eyeballs and more pageviews for those on the list. for those of you on the list using twitter as a marketing platform (i.e. all of the list) - it provides more traffic and you know what that equals.
- Allen Stern
Note too Veronica that I did NOT say you paid. It is just that the criteria for getting on the list is corrupt.
- Robert Scoble
HAH! This is the funniest thing I've heard all day. Are you really just that bored this afternoon to accuse people of spending money to be on a suggested users list? #1 As Chris says, who the frak cares. #2 Do you honestly think someone like me or iJustine have that kind of money? #3 Wow, man, I thought we were cool.
- Veronica
I've made several "who to follow on Twitter" lists for the publication I work for and it's never just about who has the most number of followers. Maybe they just find the people on their list more interesting/appealing to newbies, from their point of view. Why do you assume the criteria is only "most followers?
- Omar Gallaga
Allen, I understand that. But the fact of the matter remains that I (I cannot speak for anyone else) never asked to be on the list, nor did I ever pay anyone to be there.
- Veronica
Veronica: I did not accuse Techcrunch of paying either. Read my question VERY carefully. I did accuse Twitter of making a feature that looks corrupt.
- Robert Scoble
Robert... Do you have any proof that this occurs? Is there any accounts of this occurring in the past (anecdotal or stated). I'm don't know either way but asking people to prove a something didn't happen without an established cause of suspicion is intimidation and, frankly, wrong.
- Johnny Worthington
use a twitter client bypass the suggested list. twitter don't own u :) u decided who to follow. the end
- Jay Martinez
from twhirl
If you are not accusing us of paying, then how are the criteria "corrupt?"
- Veronica
Veronica: the fact that Twitter is picking its stars with subjective criteria is corrupt.
- Robert Scoble
thanks veronica - yea my point is the marketing and "top of mind" that being on that list gives you special folks - i am not discussing the money point, robert is.
- Allen Stern
Robert -- aren't you the one always laughing it off when people unfollow you and saying that the number of followers you have isn't as important as the number of people commenting on Friendfeed? Now you're saying that if Twitter bases this list on anything other than number of followers it's corrupt? Or is your initial question in some third language I can't parse?
- Omar Gallaga
Veronica: prove you did not pay. You can not. The feature is corrupt. I can prove I did not pay to get on top of friendfeed. You can no longer prove that on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Um, Robert... they onus is on you to prove they did... sorry.
- Johnny Worthington
And what if they decide to rotate the list? If you're not still on there, will you continue to throw around accusations? Sounds like sour grapes, and you're better than that.
- Veronica
Omar: yes. Who follows you does not matter. But that does not change fact that this feature corrupts the integrity of Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
I agree with Johnny. C'mon, Robert! Show us some of that investigative blogging! Prove that TC (or I, for that matter) paid to be on there. Would you like me to send you my banking statements?
- Veronica
Omar: it is corrupt because you can no longer trust Twitters' follower numbers. The people who are most popular on Twitter did not earn their position through objective criteria. That is corrupt.
- Robert Scoble
I asked if you think a feature like this should be based solely on number of followers. Is that the only criteria you think is fair for making suggestions on who to follow?
- Omar Gallaga
Veronica: you did not earn a position higher than @leolaporte. So why are you defending this feature?
- Robert Scoble
Omar: it should be based on objective criteria everyone can figure out so no questions of propriety will stick.
- Robert Scoble
Allen is on point with his comments. Being on the list does equal more $. Regardless of how folks got on it. But again this list does show that who you "know" is critical in the social web.
- Kipp Bodnar
Perhaps, Robert, it is not a position to defend? Does Veronica use Twitter as a revenue tool? If not, this is moot.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
I think you should enter some criteria to generate the suggested user list (likes etc)
- Iain
What criteria besides number of followers? That's the only one you've brought up.
- Omar Gallaga
Robert the influentials won't be on FF, it's just an aggregator, the influentials will have their own quality medium with distribution
- Bob Sonin
I do not know why Veronica is on the list and not @leolaporte so now I am wondering what is going on and no one can prove money and gifts did not get exchanged.
- Robert Scoble
I'm not defending a feature. I'm defending myself from being accused of paying a company to feature me.
- Veronica
Robert, you're a bank robber. Prove to me that you aren't. See how dumb that sounds?
- Veronica
I heard he stole $10,000.
- Omar Gallaga
That is easy: I have not received a gift from a bank I did not earn.
- Robert Scoble
In that case Robert, you are traveling the path of Joseph McCarthy. Rather than presenting evidence of corruption, you are throwing around accusations and telling those you accuse to prove you wrong.
- Johnny Worthington
Prove it.
- Veronica
Johnny: people are getting gifts from Twitter they DID NOT earn with subjective criteria. Why?
- Robert Scoble
@Scoble your headline is linkbait - but your point is valid - the recommender is crap. They should buy @mrtweet
- Chris Saad
I think Robert is making weak arguments, but his base point is sound--if there is an algorithm that is making those picks, then it's not very transparent. If the list is editorial, it would be nice to at least know who has made the picks.
- Eric Florenzano
Tell us what you think the criteria should be, Robert. Other than "being Robert Scoble."
- Veronica
@ev posted that they just picked some names. It's not really that big of a deal.
- Christian Burns
Veronica YOU received a gift from a corporation you DID NOT earn. I did not receive such a gift. This feature is corruptible.
- Robert Scoble
Great question Robert... maybe you should lead with that rather than dropping corruption accusations. I actually think there may be some underhanded work in a few selected cases but unless I have evidence, I'll ask questions first, set up witch hunts later...
- Johnny Worthington
Why didn't I earn it? Also, it's not a "gift," it's a recommendation.
- Veronica
I say the feature is done by hand and the appearance of impropriety is nothing more than lack of research by an intern.
- MarkCarras
@Veronica Robert is not suggesting he should be on the list. He has always actively worked to flatten these tools, not do land grabs which he could easily do. Suggesting that's what he is saying is not very productive.
- Chris Saad
Chris, it's hard not to take personal affront to this bad logic.
- Veronica
@Veronica, as I said his initial tweet is linkbait - it's clearly an exaggeration - but his underlying point is valid.
- Chris Saad
Johnny: note that I did NOT accuse anyone of anything. PLEASE read carefully! I just am pointing out that some people are receiving gifts without earning them. This is why Fast Company forbids me from accepting gifts. So MY integrity does not get called into question.
- Robert Scoble
@techcrunch prove to us that you are not plotting to take over the world while you pretend to drop out and take pictures of tropical beaches. I bet you aren't even going to answer me.
- Christian Burns
In that case, I'd like my gifts BACK
- Chris Saad
If someone added up all the pro ff posts, anti-twitter posts, link direction, they'd assume Robert was into the FF funding.
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
This is absurd. What gift, in tangible terms, is being given?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Chris -- in a separate post Robert said " two weeks ago I was more popular than Techcrunch and @leolaporte was a lot more popular than me. Today Techcrunch is way more popular than either of us" -- that's flattening the tools?
- Omar Gallaga
Robert, your inflammatory remarks and accusations (and they are that, no matter how many times you tell us to READ CAREFULLY) come off as really childish and insulting. If you have an issue with a feature of Twitter, there are better ways of pointing it out than accusing people who considered you acquaintances, if not pals.
- Veronica
I just can't believe I am not on the list! I sent @biz 5 bucks too. WTF?
- Beebo Wallace
Veronica: you did receive a gift. Advertising is sold by 1,000 viewers. Ask Ryan how much 1,000 people are worth. You did NOT earn that gift by any objective measure.
- Robert Scoble
Must have some troubles with the American to Australian translation but without this thread for explanation, it sounds like you wondering out loud if Techcrunch paid biz to get on the list...
- Johnny Worthington
@Omar ok well that's an even lamer way of expressing the point haha
- Chris Saad
Beebo: obviously $5 wasn't enough.
- Robert Scoble
It's well-known you can't "prove a negative". Or make logic with such as "clearly, pigs fly, because we have a black president" - more to the point, that list stinks, and bad -- McCain and Tony Robbins are on my list, and a bunch of corporations.
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Robert, you keep avoiding the question of what you think Twitter's objective measures should have been if not just number of followers. What do you think they should have been?
- Omar Gallaga
I've been saying for years that recommendations should be based on interest overlaps, still, no one listens. www.socialwhois.com
- Chris Saad
@scoble just admit you are asking Twitter to implement APML Profiling and Matching and let these people chill out
- Chris Saad
Insulting people is a great way to get a point across.
- Veronica
I think it is definitely a gift. You are gaining followers who are in turn being effected by your content. They aren't mailing it to you with a bow on it as in a physical gift, but they are making it much easier for you to generate revenue or web influence power.
- AJK
Robert, there is no such thing as CPM for Twitter because followers -- and recommended user spots -- are not bought and sold. Period. You think they are? Prove it.
- Ryan Block
Who gives a frak? Honestly. Accusing @techcrunch of paying $10,000 is stupid. How do we know he DID? Did Twitter contact you and say "the only way you can be on the list is if you pay $10,000?" And all the bagging on Veronica isn't necessary. It's a stupid list. GET OVER IT.
- Zach Flauaus
Veronica: it is interesting that you feel accused. This feature sucks. Some day you will see why.
- Robert Scoble
I feel accused because you accused me, and everyone else on this list. Not indirectly, directly. Oh, someday I will see why? When I'm not longer ON the list? Actually, Robert, that will be fine with me because I won't care. Because I haven't invested in BEING on the list.
- Veronica
Zach: I did NOT accuse anyone of paying. I am accusing Twitter of designing a corruptible list. Friendfeed's list is defendable. This one is not.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble obviously "deserves" some sort of recognition. If he doesn't get it, others must be paying. Right?
- coldbrew
Read about this and other social media revelations in Robert's next e-book, "Scobleized: Destroying Relationships, Throwing Out Baseless Accusations and Talking Down To Peers."
- Omar Gallaga
@Everyone who is saying the discussion is pointless just doesn't get it. These things are worth $. They seriously affect the way twitter works and who gets attention. Attention = $. Social tools are about finding niche audiences. If Twitter is biasing towards celebrities or given individuals (for whatever reason) it changes the medium and the message. Stop pretending that these things don't matter.
- Chris Saad
@Omar - LOL.
- Veronica
Robert... do you think that Techcrunch did pay biz $10,000 to get on the Twitter's suggested friend list?
- Johnny Worthington
This whole discussion is rather petty and absurd.
- coldbrew
@Johnny *sigh* he was making a point by giving a clearly exaggerated and baseless example. Our inability to prove it either way IS THE POINT
- Chris Saad
has anyone tried to find out how the suggested friends algorithm atually works or are we assuming its a manually generated list cos they haven't said much about the suggested friends feature?
- Iain
Perhaps the problem is that Robert should just say what he means. Also, still waiting for that objective criteria. Waiting... waiting...
- Omar Gallaga
Veronica: well since there is no objective criteria for being on the list and since being on the list is a gift of tens of thousands of in earned followers and since you don't care anyway why don't you tell Twitter to make the list based on objective criteria and pull yourself off of that list until it is? That is what I would do (friendfeed fixed its list after that kind of pressure). Not to mention I can not accept unearned gifts anyway.
- Robert Scoble
Chris.. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want my name used in this way. My issue is not with the point Robert is trying to make, it is the way he is going about it...
- Johnny Worthington
Scoble: "Prove that Techcrunch did not pay @biz $10,000 to get on Twitter's suggested friend list." That's not accusing @techcrunch paid $10,000 to Twitter? Twitter designed that list for who they (read: employees) think people should follow. Perhaps it was money, but I highly doubt it.
- Zach Flauaus
How has your follow rate increased since being on the list? My assumption would be that it has increased significantly since being on the list.
- AJK
Yeah, this is like a high school kid whining about his brother having all the friends, and mindlessly laying blame.
- coldbrew
@Scoble accusing @techcrunch is not making things personal. @techcrunch is a big boy and Arrington and Scoble are friends. It was clearly a statement to reveal ambiguity in the process - @Veronica no need to read any more into it than face value.
- Chris Saad
Haven't logged into Friendfeed for a long time, but this is rather insulting, Robert. You're seeing dollar signs and personal gains in # of twitter followers?
- Derek Reiff
@coldbrew I think everything is reminiscent of high school... I'm in the damn place. lol
- Zach Flauaus
Johnny: no I do not think Techcrunch or Veronica paid to get on this list but there ARE brands on there. Did they pay? I have no idea. But this feature is as corruptible as shelf space at Fry's.
- Robert Scoble
Robert -- you're saying that you would have asked to be removed from such a list had you been included? What if you and Leo were both on it, but this phantom "objective criteria" you keep mentioning was not transparent?
- Omar Gallaga
One man's corruptible is another man's monetizable.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Definitely Chris! Recommendation algorithms MUST be based on something else than "popularity". We've discussed this, you and me, often, and I still believe that these algos could be 100 times smarter using "personal relevancy" — I'm sure you still share this opinion with me :) I hope I'll be able to provide a proof-of-concept thingy (yes, the one you've seen) still experimental but surely optmizable.
- directeur
Omar: yes. I would be forced to remove myself from thiis list if added.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: To me it looks like a list of people who aren't going to overwhelm new users and people that are going to be interesting. The reason your not on the list is because you would flood a new user and might make them want to leave the service. And all Leo does is promote TWiT and doesn't really present much value to the newer users except to lead them to his show. Honestly Scoble there is nothing corrupt about this. This list wasn't designed for us anyways, it's for new users, just let it go.
- Jimminy
I'm checking out of this conversation now :)
- Chris Saad
Robert, that's cool, but again without the context of your friendship with Mr Arrington and this thread for explanation, .normal' people will think that the list is corrupt and, by extension, cast dispersions on the name of the people on it (which I think is a part of Veronica's issue). While your point may be valid about the integrity of the list, please be advised that your words will have an effect on those not on the inside of social media.
- Johnny Worthington
I am not allowed to accept gifts worth more than $100 and being on a list decided on subjectively is a no no for journalists. Especially those at Fast Company.
- Robert Scoble
@directeur - is it popularity, an algorithm, or just a random sampling of people the folks at Twitter have heard of? it doesn't seem to be randomized whatsoever.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Robert. you have more than enough people following now. Why does this bother you so much? it's rather sad.
- Terry O'Fee
Good point James. I never thought of those reasons for the picks. I think Robert posts stuff of great value most of the time, but the point is still very much on target.
- MarkCarras
Terry: the integrity of the tools I use for my living concerns me a lot.
- Robert Scoble
Robert -- did you ask to be removed from this Forbes Web Celeb list? Seems like that was quite a gift: http://www.forbes.com/2007...
- Omar Gallaga
Mark, sure, it definitely is not random! It can't be random and show the same faces all over the web (friendfeed, twitter..) You've described very well "popularity". But the fact is, that me "directeur" (a given user) would really like to see people who'll share my interests, this is imho the next step in socialmedia: connecting people "smartly", and providing content for users smartly too! and this could really be done (I've crafted 3 modest proofs of concept) using notions like APML. This is really DOABLE
- directeur
his ego would be mended! :P
- Terry O'Fee
I have no stake in whether Tech Crunch did or didn't pay someone to get @biz on the suggested list on Twitter, I do however believe that the twitter suggested list it self encourages herd following , and that those who have a massive jump in following over a short period, have a very shallow following, while those who acquire their followers over time have a much deeper following
- Kim Landwehr
I understand Scoble's point. His post is misleading and deliberately provocative, but the underlying point is fair: "Twitter's suggested friend list generates lots of followers for those who are on it." Decoding his original post: "1. Two weeks ago, @techcrunch was less popular than @leolaporte. 2. Then @techcrunch ended up on the suggested friend list. 3. Now @techcrunch is more...
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- Stephen Mack
The fact that we're having this discussion is just sad. Just one blogger's opinion, though.
- Ben Parr
Mark: I totally agree that Robert posts stuff of great value but he can throw controversial ideas out that he can't back up sometimes, case in point. The main reason that I don't see him on the list isn't quality but moreover the quantity of his tweets. I wouldn't want to be on the list either just out of respect to new users.
- Jimminy
Well, directeur, your model is incorrect unless it places Scoble at the top of everything. If it does not, you're taking a pay off :-)
- coldbrew
ben - i agree. instead of using this for what its meant for, people cry that they dont get on the top of the list. it's hillarious..
- Terry O'Fee
coldbrew :) No, Robert will be just like you in this system. BUT, there's something else and I've had the pleasure to discuss it with a very smart guy: AUTHORITY. This is NOT popularity, it's smarter (should be - because the current used definition in socialmedia is wrong) more specialized and could be done too (collaboration planned with that smart guy)
- directeur
directeur: The issue is that they can't predict who someone would like. We're talking about something that none of us should be using. It's an introductory tool not something you use once you have developed your network. It's impossible to create a recommendation that works using a non existent data-set. The only way they could modify it is if they ask the user some questions about themselves during registration, that's not user friendly. Would you like to be trown a bunch of questions when you sign up?
- Jimminy
James, very smart question, and yes it's doable. The content submitted by a user, the content a user likes, comments on, retweets is a very rich dataset that could be used to establish an APML profile.
- directeur
thank you, jason. probably one of the smartest comments ive seen on this useless conversation...
- Terry O'Fee
Robert, would you be in the same position on this if you were on the list? Or would you promote the list and the fact that you made the cut?
- Debi Jones
i wonder if he would of posted it on his website too...
- Terry O'Fee
Firstly, can you prove they did?
- sofarsoShawn
directeur: You didn't get me though, it's for new users they have no data, they haven't retweeted, followed anyone, hasn't liked or commented on anything yet. And the majority of people aren't going to have an APML. Therefore trying to pick people off of this nullset is impossible. Honestly if I want to follow someone on twitter I'll ask my current followers for suggestions. Starting out Tabula Rasa on a new service though it's not possible.
- Jimminy
Looks like we have a good old fashioned weekend BitchMeme going on here.
- Mike Doeff
what bugs me is it's impossible to find people/friends/followers with interests and careers outside of tech. I've been trying since October to get a good list of science posters, and I have a grand total of 1. Kiki Sanford, and she never retweets, so I can't poach people from her.
- Matthew DeVries
I don't follow @scobleizer because he's a twooshbag. But I did learn that @brookburke twitters, so I'll be following her.
- kchu
terribly done yes. Paid no. Twitter should just buy MrTweet or one of the location based twitter recommendation services so it would provide people close to the new people or related interests instead of throwing random bigwigs who don't respond, not related to their interests.
- BCK
Wow I can't believe you are getting so bent out of shape about this "corrupted feature" Scoble. I respect what you do but I had to stop following you because it was just too much and became annoying after a while. But seriously, who cares? Why is being followed considered a "gift?" And why would you tell them to take you off this list if you were recommended? That's just stupid. Being followed is like me walking up to you and saying, "Hey I read your blog." Is it not? I can't believe you reacted this way.
- Eric Bland
hmm.. look at it the other way: some new users are joining twitter and the twitter team is simply trying to improve the experience of those users so they put together *a* set of profiles to help. This is how it works in startups. Over time, they will improve that feature so that it is more transparent, targeted, effective but you have to start somewhere. I do not think that twitter is trying to bribe anyone: they are way beyond the point of needing to do that. Too provocative Robert!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Honestly, I would never recommend @scobleizer, or any frequent twitterer, to a n00b twitter user because he would scare them away. Scoble is for hard-core users.
- kchu
The burden of proof lies with the party making the claim, as this is obviously not a case of prima facie. And even if it were true, who the hell cares? This is fascinatingly idiotic.
- Mouse
This entire thread reads like petty, petty bickering, mostly on the part of Robert. It's this kind of narrow minded, stubborn soap boxing that gives blogging in all its variants a bad name. I imagine what really happened is a few folks at Twitter saw some fun twitter peeps with a high profile name and a nice signal/noise ratio and decided to throw them on a list without much second thought and then moved on to more important business of the day.
- Joost Schuur
One thing I take away from this is that true journalism will never be dead. Robert saw something intriguing, something that didn't add up, something suspicious. In the Edward R. Murrow days, someone would have methodically, slowly, and doggedly chased the story, built the story and told the story. Bloggers however, have a whim and fire off a post. Yeah, it will precipitate the truth, as twitter is forced under the pressure of 100,000 voices to come clean or explain the algorithm, but I guess.....
- Matthew DeVries
.....I just find Murrow's way to be more elegant
- Matthew DeVries
OM NOM NOM ... hmmm these grapes are very sour today...
- Terry O'Fee
Robert Scoble is playing the Bullshit card on TC! I see a war coming...
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The only thing to be answered by this unanswerable question is: you get tons of followers by being on Twitter's suggested friends list.
- sofarsoShawn
Hell, I can't even prove that *I* didn't pay @biz $10,000 to get on Twitter's suggested friend list.
- Glen Mistletoe
I was on that list (@cinevegas) and did not pay to be on it. Somebody actually alerted me that I was since I didn't even know.
- Roger @ CineVegas
Also this feature is a month old, why now are you attacking it?
- Roger @ CineVegas
Lord all mighty. All of you don't get it do you? Twitter is about community, conversation, relationships. You are all to narcosistic to see that. Quit arguing like children. Just Twitter or shut up. Ge'ez! Act like an adult already.
- Norbert Davis
What if it's just who Twitter happens to want you to follow? Was it corruption when the video store workers would all post their weekly pics? Was "Steve" on the take because he pick 5 Warner Brother's films? They should tell how that list is compiled, but you don't defame to force candor. This isn't fucking Nam, there are rules.
- Matthew DeVries
The fact that this conversation happened on FriendFeed was not lost on me.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
it screws with the integrity of everything on twitter. in every way. i have 18K followers, but am not on the list. maybe i got all those followers in some side-deal with twitter that wasn't disclosed? or one day i lose 10K followers and my competitor gains 98K. is it because @biz was given some stock? or they didn't like something i said? it could all be totally innocent but it still taints everything.
- Dave Winer
#followfriday = Communism
- Andrew Smith
The thing is that the Twitter Suggested List is simply corrupt because there isn't an actual method behind it.
- Tyler (Chacha)
Robert is simply saying the the list isn't based on popularity.
- Tyler (Chacha)
I think that is a valid statement (I think I've ended the comments.... boo)
- Tyler (Chacha)
ITS A CONSPIRACY I TELL YA! THE WORLD IS OUT TO GET US!
- Tyler (Chacha)
Twitter needed to pick some suggested names that would be most likely to get a beginning tweeter to continue tweeting. If Twitter decides that Hammer is the way to get people to continue using the service, that's Twitter's prerogative.
- Ontario Emperor
As long as it's obvious and transparent that this primer list completely due to some person or some committee's fancy with no metric whatsoever, then Twitter is doing nothing wrong. Have they admitted this? It should be apparent on the page itself.
- Matthew DeVries
It's brilliant way for twitter to expand it's user base from tech geeks to the larger populace overall.
- sofarsoShawn
It is quite reasonable for companies to make subjective recommendations to their customers. The Apple iTunes store, for example, provides several very subjective music, video, and app recommendations on its front page. Robert's employer just recently published a very subjective list of fifty companies that they thought its readers would find interesting. Time magazine compiled a list of 100 people they found interesting in 2008. Wait, wasn't Michael Arrington on that list?
- Steve Wilhelm
Robert's argument are weak at best, founded on the assumption that Twitter's "suggest" feature should only be based on a user's # of followers. While it would be nice to know how they choose who makes it on the list, I honestly don't think Twitter has to disclose it. This is a parallel to Flickr's "interestingness" meter, which decides who make it onto their "Explore" page. The fact they don't tell you exactly how the photos are chosen, doesn't mean that it's corrupt.
- Trevin
Coming to this late, but just want to thank Chris Saad for laying out the objection to an arbitrary list of recommendations in clear and sane fashion. (As opposed to inflammatory fashion, which resulted in all this hot air.) Saad's right: attention = $.
- Ian Wilker
None of this will matter when celebrities and sports figures get on Twitter, and Twitter really goes mainstream. Scoble's 63K and Laporte's 90K will be dwarfed. Reality check: Twitter is much bigger than Scoble.
- Mohamed J
@Mohamed J I would much rather have scoble who is real on Twitter than some PR person for a celebrity.
- Michael McGimpsey
from twhirl
MichaelMG: I haven't seen the suggested users list but @TechCrunch, @aplusk, @the_real_shaq, @mchammer are not run by a PR employee. Plus, Scoble is too noisy for the Twitter newbie (who is most likely not a tech head).
- Mohamed J
Leather ♥ Donut - ftw.
- kchu
A few questions: 1. Does 'suggested friends' imply impartiality? To me 'suggested' or 'recommended' connotes a subjective opinion while 'popular' or 'top' implies a strict numbers-based ranking. 2. If a service's 'recommended friends' list is created by number of followers and is in itself the most effective way to get more followers, then how can this help but be a feedback loop? How...
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- Kevin Fox
Put a different way: Why do we assume that Twitter should only recommend the most popular people?
- Kevin Fox
Isn't this more about one person wanting a different set of criteria for 'eminence' in a list vs a set of criteria decided by another person(s)? Sounds like you should make your own list to your criteria; folk love lists and someone is bound to look at it. Their list, their criteria ... your list, your criteria.
- Colin Wheeler
Even when you are on holiday you are causing trouble Mike
- Chris Saad
just seems to me that twitter made a selection of accounts that might be of interest to a new user, trying to cover a wide range. Perhaps their criteria are not as ominous as you make it, perhaps they looked at a stream that someone new could feel would be accessible to newbies?
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Pay @biz :)
- Josh Lam
@michael arrington HAHAHA!!!!! While I agree with scoble's premise that the list is fundamentally flawed. I do think this whole conversation is very very funny!!! Now has twitter responded with how they are making the list?
- Benno
i am convertible to 1 e-token of intangible 'value' in this imaginary perceived point value system of social media numbers
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
& i rate your performance by the # of sounded claps i make @ a given rate per sec w/ respect to the db emitted. right this sec, this is convertible to 1/3rd the popularity rate unit counted in the perceived cumulative total + 1 in regards to the gross popularity total i just made up and substituted from other people's realities assumed to be true. this is my derived perception of social media popularity that may change at any time and may be replaced for another assumption.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Ah the smell of conspiracy in the morning.
- Robin Wauters
I think twitter should replace all the little avatars with Tom from MySpace.
- Wes Hoogenboom
Wow this stirred up a lot of shit. I actually have to go with lockergnome, why should we care. This article: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technol... clearly states that the suggestions are staff picks and therefore subjective. The people that sign up and start following the twitter staff picks most likely are going to be annoyed and bored with most of the tweets because they dont know those people and because they werent served with suggestions by interest..
- Kahlil Lechelt
This should be re-named as "pre-selected list", not suggested. Twitter is just trying to quickly increase usage for future monetization.
- William Mougayar
if recommend is synonymous of "most followed", then #1: @scoble you say the contrary all day long (followers are pointless) #2: this feature itself is useless since we just need a search engine "by number of followers". I therefore assume that twitter tries/is trying/intends to/ put value other than simply nr of followers. and how can you do this with objective measurable inputs? Finding someone interesting or not is based on your own standpoint. So the feature is controversial per se
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
I'd pay 10K to get a profile there, do i twitpic a check in?
- sean percival
To market my brand, I'd pay 10k, get put in front of 1m faces, and another mil or 3 over time after this post gets thoroughly read. All this attention is worth quite a bit more than 10k, wouldn't you say.
- Zax Stevens
My first thought was that they would sell spots on that list if they hadn't already. Robert's topic is provocative only because Twitter's added a feature that looks so baldly commercial. Not that there's anything wrong with it!
- Michael Pilla
Here's a simple test: Go to 2 different Twitter accounts you may have (e.g. personal/business). Check that list. It's the same! So, this isn't a "Recommended list" in the way that FF or APML might do it. It's not related to who you follow/don't follow & what you like. It's just a list that's marketed by Twitter- let's take it as it is.
- William Mougayar
"Robert -- did you ask to be removed from this Forbes Web Celeb list? Seems like that was quite a gift: http://www.forbes.com/2007... - Omar Gallaga" So Robert, how about it? Did you pass on the "gift" Forbes made you?
- Alexander Kucera
Wow, longest conversation every!
- Sweyn Venderbush
from twhirl
Omar and Alexander: I didn't pull myself off of the Fortune list because 1. that didn't end up getting me much of anything, certainly not provable. 2. It was a subjective list done by a professional group of editors and it was presented as subjective. 3. it reflected real-life popularity. In fact, one could argue that being high on Twitter and friendfeed follower lists is why I got onto Fortune's list. Before two weeks ago those follower lists had integrity. Today they do not. But no big deal, I'm over it.
- Robert Scoble
I didn't see him on the list.
- Patricia
This is eerily similar to a high school election.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
Twitter has a suggest list? don't remember the last time I used it if ever
- Jeff Quinton
Biz Stone - From The LA Times: Twitter co-founder Biz Stone acknowledged that offering “suggested users” wasn’t the ideal solution and suggested that the service might evolve to cater to particular users’ interests. “Right now it’s sort of like staff picks at your local bookstore,” he wrote in an e-mail.
- Jim Connolly
Robert: I view the Suggested Users feature on Twitter as a Staff Pick in iTunes. They have no relevance to anything else. It's just what the guy behind the screen wants to pin. I was very sad to read this. I love the idea that the individual user is beginning to rise over traditional mainstream media. It's something I've worked toward for the past 3 years. However, I see this as the death of journalistic integrity.
- George Force
Robert: You speak of Twitter's Suggested User feature being corrupt, however, within the same action you lay down egregious accusations. What ever happened to the days of fact checking? You have to keep in mind, no matter what your intentions are, you swing a big stick. Thousands of people are going to read what you say. If you do not intend for something like this to be taken as media, then you need to make clear what your intentions are.
- George Force
Everyone has been waging war to try to win the popularity contest, and they've focused so hard on this that they've forgotten the basics. As the paradigm shifts, we are starting to create a high tech sewing circle where the words slander and libel have no meaning. We all need to work a little bit harder to try to remember that there are real people with real emotions on the other end of the wire.
- George Force
George: read again. I did NOT lay down ANY accusations. I did not accuse anyone of anything, I just said this creates a situation where we can not be sure how they got on this list. Please read carefully. This feature is corrupt. Why does Ryan Block have 1/10th as many followers today as Veronica? (They used to be about the same). Because Twitter "picked" Veronica to be popular. That's subjective and ruins the integrity of the follower system.
- Robert Scoble
George: right. Subjective systems pick stars for weird reasons. Do you pay to get on the iTunes list? I don't know, but given the music industry's past of payola I really wonder. How did the brands get onto Twitter's list? Did they pay? Why Veronica and not Ryan Block? Ryan ran Engadget. He deserves to be on the top of any list too. This system is stupid and lame and not well thought out (which even Twitter admits in the Los Angeles Times this weekend).
- Robert Scoble
I understand that you want change on Twitter. I don't blame you for that. But why should they listen to what you have to say? You go onto their platform and out them publicly more than once a day. Twitter doesn't owe anyone but their VC anything. If you hate Twitter so much, then stop using it. It could easily be said that you're giving friendfeed a gift by going to Twitter and talking about friendfeed. Are you receiving a check from friendfeed?
- George Force
Your whole argument could then be boiled down to, "Twitter made a poor choice in thinking about their recommended accounts feature and it is poorly thought out." Good thing this was just an FF thread and not a blog post.
- coldbrew
There is no reason to say vile things about a service on their platform due to a matter of preference. If you don't like Twitter, stop using it. It's that simple. Twitter works very well for what I need it to do. friendfeed serves another purpose entirely. Twitter does not need to be friendfeed. You said in a different post about how we need to stop focusing on followers and start focusing on who's talking. I would say we need to stop focusing on followers and start focusing on what we're saying.
- George Force
George: I do not receive checks or any compensation from friendfeed. I didn't receive any compensation from Twitter when I talked it up a LOT two years ago (my readers got sick of me talking about Twitter all the time back then too).
- Robert Scoble
Now I'm going to go watch some guy get kicked in the groin on YouTube!
- George Force
coldbrew: who said this is not a blog post? :-) There's no real definition for what a blog is. Friendfeed is blogging. So is Twittering.
- Robert Scoble
George: I totally disagree. These are communications platforms and one of their uses IS complaining about how they are built. I used to use the telephone to complain about AT&T too. So there. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'd like to wrap up my opinion about the whole subject in 2 sentences: 1) Who are you to recommend people to me? 2) Recommending people to me means that you know me, that you know what I'm **interested** in. i.e. Every recommendation algorithm that **IGNORES** the user is by definition stupid.
- directeur
Jason: I did not make any claim. Go and read it again. This time read it. Don't react emotionally. Read it like a computer compiler would. Parse each word. I will admit I was sensational and stupid. I did NOT call out Techcrunch. I called out Twitter. That's different. I did say that I am not sure how people got on the list. Why did Veronica get on this list and not Ryan Block? You can't explain it. Neither can I. So, that opens up the door to corruption and graft. Perception does matter.
- Robert Scoble
The only fault I can find with twitter is that it has created a new breed of egomaniacs.
- jcunwired
Because my name was used in Robert's post (and we discussed this ad nauseum on Gillmor Gang) I'd like to weigh in. I know it sounds like sour grapes when I say anything about this. And I suppose some of it is. I did enjoy being at the top of Twitterholic. And there's tangible benefit to it - it gives you cred (some, not a ton). I suppose Twitter leaves me off its recommended list because I'm not always a fan of how Twitter does business. That, in itself, points to a problem with how the list is generated.
- Leo Laporte
Why does perception matter? Because you are not even able to unemotionally read a sentence without reading meaning into it. Now, try to read a sentence (like what Twitter is communicating by making Veronica a star and not Ryan Block or not Leo Laporte) and add that same emotionality into it. THAT is what I was trying to point out.
- Robert Scoble
I do admit I made that point in a stupid and lame way, though, and for that I'm sorry. But it did get you to engage on this and think about it and for all the hurt feelings this morning THAT is a positive thing.
- Robert Scoble
If you don't think number of followers is important, then the "suggested list" is irrelevant. And I think that's what Twitter is saying. "Who cares if Whole Foods is acquiring thousands of unearned followers a day? We just want new users to have someone to follow." My point is that Twitter has immense power to influence the course of Twitter. This simple suggestion list thrusts some users forward for arbitrary and opaque reasons. This is why an open solution is ultimately better for us all.
- Leo Laporte
Leo: I prefer to use the words "algorithmic" and "objective" instead of "open" but I get what you're getting at.
- Robert Scoble
Look, Robert, I'm not trying to bust you up. I respect you and what you've done for the community. What I'm saying is that "Prove that Techcrunch did not pay @biz $10,000 to get on Twitter's suggested friend list," sounds an awful lot like an accusation. That's it. Hence, the focus on quality. People need to stop a second and think not about WHAT they're saying, but HOW they're saying it.
- George Force
@scobleizer That's because you want to preserve Twitter. I don't think _any_ private micro-messaging solution is adequate. It needs to be open, like email. No algorithm is going to make a proprietary solution acceptable in my mind.
- Leo Laporte
George: the point is that I don't know what the criteria is. So, you can't prove anything about anything on this list. That causes a perception problem for everyone involved. I know people who WOULD pay to get on this list. Why? At some point thousands of followers will mean money. I used to work for a magazine with 110,000 subscribers that made millions every year. This list ruins integrity of community. It is corruptible.
- Robert Scoble
Goodness gracious, folks. I'm in la la land right now and I still understand the point Robert was trying to get across. Pour out the Scoble haterade for two seconds.
- Shawn Farner
Leo: ahh, I see what you mean by open. I thought we were just talking about the recommended follower feature. Now that you are talking about the entire system I totally agree. I have on my to do list to take another look at Identi.ca. We should start another thread about whether or not that's the answer and if not, why not.
- Robert Scoble
I have to agree with Jason H. Robert, you DID accuse TC of paying off Twitter. You creatively arranged the words to make it look like you are not directly making an accusation, but we can read between the lines. You do have something against TC, but that is your issue to resolve, don't bring it here. Ba a man and either say it out loud and to Arrington's face or shut the hell up about this. If you have a problem with Twitter then bring it against them. Sack up or shut up. Investigate or go home.
- Norbert Davis
Robert, I'm not disagreeing with you entirely, and I'm certainly not becoming overwhelmed with emotion. Would you be interested in having a round table with myself and Ben Heckendorn on my podcast? Leo would also be welcome.
- George Force
I'm not trying to get ratings or promotion. I'm interested in this subject.
- George Force
Norbert: Mike Arrington (founder of Techcrunch and I are friends. I picked Techcrunch because he would get what I was trying to say. He speaks out against corruptible systems elsewhere (like his competition with Demo conference, which companies pay to get on stage). I didn't accuse anyone of anything. I did say that this system raises the perception issue. This is why journalists aren't allowed to own stocks in the companies they cover and why they aren't allowed to take gifts. This is a corruptible system.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble could post about the air-land speed of a European Swallow and get "engagement" much like TC and their one-word post, "Twitter."
- coldbrew
Twitter needs the cash, good for them. It's about time they found a way to make a little $. Also, I don't think popularity is the best indicator of a friend. @Techcrunch has been good to me, Leo on the other hand...(-;
- tarafireball
"And, therefore, Twitter is a witch. Burn Her!"
- coldbrew
Spill it, tarafireball. What'd Laporte do?
- coldbrew
Its amazing that this topic gets more comments than the ISP/wireless bill, that will affect us all.
- Joe K
Here's Arrington's post with 442 comments: http://www.techcrunch.com/2008...
- coldbrew
This post wouldn't have gotten nearly the attention with a less incendiary title. Even "I can't prove Techcrunch didn.t..." probably would have blown over quick.
- Bruce Lewis
It'd be interesting to see some eye-tracking type analysis on threads like this to see, on average, how many comments people read before commenting themselves. Seems like there's a whole lot of repetition.
- Ken Sheppardson
That's not entirely fair, Lewis, I wouldn't continue if I didn't have some assurance that some smart folks would chime in.
- coldbrew
There are 256 comments on this post. I guarantee you I'll not be reading them all before I post this.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Rasheen, it is a summary about how they chose the Knights of the Round Table. Hint: The Black Knight always wins, b/c it is merely a flesh wound no matter what happens :-)
- coldbrew
FTR, I read every last comment (like always), sigh.
- coldbrew
As someone who moved away from just numbers to quality numbers, it's all a tempest in a teapot to me. I can reevaluate my relationship with either TC or Leo at any time, but the specter of payola makes it feel like 1999 all over again.
- Scott Pierce
I am amazed at the level of BS people are spewing here to grind their personal axes - also amazed that some people would take this so personally as an attack when it clearly wasnt an attack on them at all. Robert, in a rush to post like he often is, did not craft his words carefully enough and issued a challenge using incendiary language and referencing a friend (who will survive the debate clearly). This sort of thread is what makes Andrew Keen squeal with delight...
- Chris Heuer
Q1: is twitter adopting a pay to play model for being featured anywhere on its site? Q2: Will the user community (especially new signups) be better off if they are open about how they are doing it? NO DOUBT - FAIR DISCLOSURE ALA ADVERTORIAL Q3 Does this sort of advertising (and the sort that has GaryVee using adsense to promote his twitter account) have a positive or negative impact on folks or does it matter at all? does this use of money as power to get attention take away from open/meritocratic ideals?
- Chris Heuer
one disclosure piece - last week I contacted the folks behind twitter counter to see if we (aka me for Social Media Club) could buy a 'follow us' ad on their top 100 page - as the noise gets louder, we need better ways for getting noticed. http://twitter.com/socialm... was in the top 100 there for several months until recently being kicked off list by hollywood celebtrities joining conversation - Q4 should celebrities and companies be on separate lists - should we have user 'types' to differenentiate
- Chris Heuer
I own twegomaniacs.com. I will gladly accept $10,000 from anyone who wishes to be placed on that list :)
- jcunwired
How is this at all different from Google Reader's suggested content bundles, or the defaults that are included on start pages (some of which actually do pay to be there). Frankly, I'd have no problem if Twitter did charge for these spots, though I'm confident they haven't done so thus far. People are clearly willing to pay (see twittercounter) ... it's a good biz model
- Adam Ostrow
Robert, the fact that you claim over and over again that you didn't make any claims, makes it even worse. The implication is there, even if you didn't mean to suggest it. A lot of people read that implication as an assertion. You are a polarizing person, and people aren't going to be carefully parsing your words anymore. You must realize this by now, and if you don't recognize this passive aggressive aspect of your nature, then that is the real issue here.
- Joost Schuur
Why does it even matter if Twitter is 'broken' just because they don't have a perfect way to recommend followers at a time when they've just started opening up to non techies? Twitter suggestions have been available for a few weeks now. Can't we just let the system try and balance itself out for a while, before we freak out? Twitter is going to improve the system on their end, and some...
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- Joost Schuur
Joost: OK. It was a lame and stupid way to make a point but I think we are all adults here and everyone can see I wasn't asserting that corruption had already taken place. I just wanted to point out that this is a corruptible system that is rewarding significant gifts to some people in the community.
- Robert Scoble
It doesn't matter that Ryan Block has 13,000 and Veronica has 110,000. You are right. Onward!
- Robert Scoble
FWIW, I follow you, and everyone else on my list, because you post what I find to be interesting content. Leo is also there, Techcrunch is not, Veronica is not. Isn't it more important to have a fan base that is fascinated by the work you do than the random choosing of an arbitrary list that few people take seriously? I'm not a fan of suggestions in this regard anyway, not unless there is a compelling reason why I might be interested, and Twitter doesn't provide it, so its useless to me. No big deal.
- jcunwired
PC Easy: so not being on this list is punishment for bad behavior. Got it. That is why I hate subjective lists.
- Robert Scoble
Haha, we run mrtweet. We were #5 two weeks ago, and we were absolutely shocked by the massive increase in numbers by everyone. It is pretty puzzling for us - we are pretty sure we did not get recommended at all, since our growth remains very consistent. Oh well. ;)
- ming yeow
This is why the top Twitterer lists have ABSOLUTELY NO VALUE ANYMORE. I think Twitter really screwed up by using the suggested users.
- Bill Romanos
@ Robert: A) According to Merriam-Webster a gift is "something voluntarily transferred by one person to another without compensation". So no, since you call being on Twitters recomendation list a gift, Veronica did not earn it neither did TechCruch and neither did Leo. B) Your statement "Prove that Techcrunch did not pay @biz $10,000 to get on Twitter's suggested friend list." sure sounds like an accusation of coruption. C) Your ranting is really only damaging your reputation and FF by association.
- ChiliMac
Who even uses this feature anyway? I know I don't. I'm only going to follow people I find from other people I follow. That way I'm getting people with similar interests not what Twitter or FriendFeed THINK I might like to follow. PS. I just checked out my suggested user list and TechCruch wasn't on there. Maybe because I already follow him. But, in that case, if Robert knows he's on there doesn't that mean Robert doesn't follow him?
- ChiliMac
ChiliMac: Re "Who even uses this feature anyway?" Every new Twitter user sees this list. After you sign up, you're first asked if you want to try to import friends from another service (i.e. Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo mail, etc.) The next screen is 20 users selected from an apparently larger (~100ish?) list --with all 20 checked--and a big "Finish" button. Following everyone in the random(?) group of 20 is the default for new users.
- Ken Sheppardson
I think Roberts problem is not that they implemented this feature but that the way it has been implemented. If the selection method was clearly paid or algorithm based then I don't think too many people would have a problem with it. It would appear at the moment that the criteria is just "people that I think are good". That is open to abuse as it has a bearing on the influence certain...
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- Anton Mannering
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I bet $10 you are mentally handicapped :D
- coldbrew
Wow, I think you can get posted in Who's Who for only $35. Who cares?
- Todd Kulick
Well, it's either pay up or join the train of Twitter users who wave through the system and are fast approaching 40,000 followers even though you've never heard of them, nor have they ever added anything of value to your life. Coercion is a bitch.
- matt
gila kuasa, gila nama... (power crazy, name crazy!)
- Pajama Domain
How do I get on this list? I have all this money that Obama gave me to spend to stimulate the economy. Can I stimulate Twitter's economy? Where do I mail the check?
- Stephen Antonucci
This is a provocative post, Robert. iJustine did give Evan cupcakes. I remember their public exchange and acknowledgment. Was that a coerced coincidence or just innocent cavity propagation? I think the real power of the "suggested" followers "scam" is choosing high profile folks while including the lesser folks you have been calling out. The nobodies who are now the most popular proves...
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- David W. Boles
There are a lot of comments, so if this is duplicating what someone else said - so sorry :) If you want a great way to get a REAL recommended list, head over to HubSpot's Twitter Grader - get graded and there will be a recommended list below.
- Mitch Canter
lolololol
- "Joey"
Not trying to bash anyone, but I'm curious as to why people think that twitter is under any obligation to make their free service "open". Twitter seems to be saying that they reject the meaning of twitter follower counts as defined by others. Twitter's ultimate goal, I think, isn't to be a public service so much as to be a profitable company. "Their house, their rules" so to speak. If people want an open system, then they would probably prefer services like those that Leo Laporte proposes.
- James Brodman
James: For me it sorta boils down to a monopoly power argument. What's wrong with Twitter not being open (and thereby controlling the "micromessaging" market/protocol) is the same thing that's wrong with AT&T controlling the phone service market or Microsoft controlling the operating system market.
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert, by your metric, wouldn't any celebrity (tech geek or otherwise) also have an unfair (and unmeritorious) advantage in getting followers? Thus, having unfair influence? Veronica, you did get a gift. However, I am not sure you can earn a gift.
- Rob McNealy
"promotional consideration" disclaimers are standard practice in TV game shows. Why not on Twitter?
- Michael Markman
Why $10,000? Do you a have a copy of a check or a receipt or some such?
- Chuck Baggett
Religions who accept evolution as fact. - http://www.zee.me/blog...
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This is based on the US population right? Because I'm sure this varies wildly based on nation
- Mo Kargas
If The Church Of The Flying Spaghetti Monster was on there it would be the highest. :P
- MarkCarras
proud of my Buddhist brothers and sisters
- William Harryman
Is this the traditional Darwinst theory or does it also include off-shoots and derivatives?
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
Sorry - this should correctly read: 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100...
- Louis Gray
Traditional Darwin's theory is 150 years old and out of date and NOBODY "believes" in it any more. But evolutionary biology is thriving. While there are interesting debates about details within the discipline, there are no serious "offshoots" of it.
- Bora Zivkovic
wait - 8% of JWs think evolution is correct??
- Chris Cotsapas
Wait, I'm so disgusted by this thing. Are we seriously saying that less than half of all Americans believe that evolution is fact!?!? That's the real shame here.
- Greg
This is a good discussion: http://scienceblogs.com/gnxp...
- Bora Zivkovic
So Jehovah's Witness is not exactly Darwin's witness. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, and I damn well deserve to be. Tase me bro. It keeps me on the tips of my toenails. I'd be curious to see where Taoists and Sufis rate on this chart. Strange that the two best ones were left off. Is it that the researcher was not evolved enough to know this?
- david beckwith
I wish this broke Anglicans (Episcopalians, etc) out from other protestants ,,, curious where they stand
- Bastard Operator From FF
The mainline group is disturbingly middle-of-the-road, it really should have been broken out, at least into two groups.
- xero
in my conversion, I was taught that using our mind and common sense was important while interpreting the Bible
- Bastard Operator From FF
You also can't just look at the Bible itself. You have to look at how and why it was constructed, how it has been translated, and who did all of that. What were their motivations. What were the times like when they wrote it? How much of it was political or just wise at the time vs how much might be "divine". I feel pity for anyone who believes that the Bible et al, in the non-native language is 100% the divine word of the deity, letter for letter. They're just incredibly naive. Metaphors are a grey area tho
- xero
Agree with Louis - evolution fits in with every religion. Who's to say God didn't use evolution to create man?
- Jesse Stay
I'm sorry, Sean, but if you used your mind and common sense, you'd negate the fundamental tenets ofa religion. You have to blindly accept and not question what you are supposed to know by faith (i.e., without your brain). The Christian Bible, the Quran, the Talmud, all of them depend fundamentally on the notion that faith is what cannot be proven or understood. This is why Buddhists rank higher than any other religion. For one thing, it started as a philosophy that was turned into a religion.
- Greg
That's it. I'm moving to Buddistan.
- Bill Strathearn
That's interesting. I never knew a Muslim who didn't accept evolution as a scientific fact.
- Admiral Anika
+1 Louis!
- Zach Landes
I like to think of myself as a Buddhist Mormon. I think you can do that, philosophically at least.
- Jesse Stay
@Greg - I can't really agree to that. I haven't read a text yet that ever really says to not question. They generally say to have faith for the things you can't answer. It's the humans teaching the religion that say to not question.
- xero
@xero Sorry, but just show me where in any religious text it says that by thinking you will know peace, or God, or have salvation. It's quite the opposite. In fact, many of the parables of Christ show someone thinking instead of doing and be reviled for it. You can't be a true thinker and be religious. A day's worth of honest and fearless thinking will remove any doubt as to religion and religious texts. They are machines to control thinking and to root out independence.
- Greg
Well the Qur'an tells you to question and to think. That thinking and the search for knowledge are the highest goals you can achieve besides being nice to your family.
- Admiral Anika
@Anika, from my studies (admittedly without help of an imam or sheikh) the Quran is the most open as to the limits of questioning and thinking. Al-Hajj 22:76, Al-Baqara 2:108 but most of all Al-Maeda 5:101. I know that the line all questions go back to Allah for decision is a common refrain throughout the Quran. This is a circular proof and cannot support the notion that thinking is highly vaulted in Islam.
- Greg
1 Thessalonians 5:21 "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.", James 1:5, Most all of early Proverbs, Ecclesiastes 7:11-12, D&C 46: 18, D&C 130: 18-19, D&C 131: 6
- xero
Christian teachers tend to dissuade followers from questioning things, because it invariably leads to a length of time of doubting everything. Which means you might leave (and so does your money). But good teachers know you have to go through that and arrive at your own conclusions to have any real faith in anything. Good teachers help you through that time. But if you attended public school, you know there is a shortage of good teachers.
- xero
@Greg: I don't think it was ever just because they were "thinking", it was generally because they were "doubting", which comes from thinking with limited knowledge.
- xero
Wow I thought for sure Muslims would have "scored higher" then 45%
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
Vatican just renewed support for Darwin's work.
- Phil Boiarski
I posted to my blog on the subject http://xeronos.livejournal.com/2608...
- Greg
While i can get behind evolution on a small scale there are many thing which i feel don't make sense. The leap from single celled organism's to me is just to fair of a jump. If we take survival of the fittest as a guiding principle there's bit of the way we are that to me make no sense.
- Jamie Vidamour
PSA: Going forward Mark will be 30%-35% more snarky.
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Very blue-footed.
- Morton Fox
That's a nice pair of boobies, Mark.
- Yolanda
Yes! I look forward to that. Is there any way to make that 50% or more because I think that would please me more.
- ♥patricia♥
I did vote for Obama. I have a lot of hope for what he might be able to do, but my biggest hope is that all the racists of this country will finally leave it. That, and we can start talking about race as Human rather than by heritage. McCain's speech tonight was the best one of his entire campaign.
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Those are some solid points, truly that makes wonderful sense, So what did you think of those threats, or the claims there was an assasination attempt being planned?
- Raymond Marr aka Knatchwa
I would like to hope so but we still have a long way to go.
- Carmen
not one of..it was his best.
- Carlos Ayala
question: where would they go?
- .LAG liked that
Ship them off to Iraq
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@John To acknowledge differences and factors brought into play by race is not to be racist. To be racist is to believe that one race is inherently superior to another.
- Neal Jansons
I didn't vote for Obama because he's black, John - that's a false assumption (good attempt at logic, though). A vote for anybody other than him would have landed McCain in the white house - and the neo-cons will *NEVER* get my support. EVER. Oh, and you might know that I'm a registered Republican - so stick that in your pipe and smoke it. :)
- l0ckergn0me
one can only hope!
- Jim Goldstein
Because McCain could be himself and not play to the Right. That was his biggest mistake. He should have played to the center, he could have pulled in a lot more votes IMO. There was way too many disenfranchised R's out there who had had it with the Party.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
This was my first vote ever for a Democratic Presidential candidate. I'm very proud of the outcome. The Republican party messed up big time this time. Obama was the most conservative candidate of the two.
- Jesse Stay
Long live USA, Rise and Shine America
- imran
Ok - just checking (i'm not the judge of such things anyway..)
- John Foss
Love you, John. Wish "you" had run in the election and not the guy grabbed by the dark side, Your speech tonight was great and a reflection of what I think is your real self - so, please help to rebuild your party - and the country - and prove that you are the Patriot I believed in way back in 2000.
- David HC Soul
Damn, Pirillo went for Obama? Wow.
- Robert Scoble
WORLD ENDS.
- Akiva Moskovitz
@thepuck - racism can be more subtle than thinking you are superior. If you differentiate and think you are of a different group, the seed is planted.
- John Foss
better yet, let's focus on more important differences than skin color.
- John LeMasney
I think you're a little out of touch, l0ckergn0me.
- Trevor Carpenter
it was definitely the best of mccain
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
different races = different life experiences and imho justice will take that into political account
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
chris posted:“I did vote for Obama. I have a lot of hope for what he might be able to do, but my biggest hope is that all the racists of this country will finally leave it. That, and we can start talking about race as Human rather than by heritage. McCain's speech tonight was the best one of his entire campaign---->I voted for McCain but i realy dont care for him that much..I have no issues with Black vs white,I have no issues with Democrat vs Republican.But i am VERY CONSERVATIVE and vote that way normally
- Edward D Webb
As I've asked before, "Where was THIS McCain throughout the campaign?" This was a more genuine, humble person who finally saw the forest from the trees about our universal struggle, who finally took control of his supporters, and gave a little bit of inspiration and reflection. When the race was finally over, it appears the RNC just released him from captivity and he could finally speak as himself.
- Glenn Batuyong
He tried being the real him back in 2000 and it didn't work out. This time, with old age creeping up, I think he got nervous and listened/relied to much on his advisors who led him astray.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
The one similarity no one can really say is each has the same blood flowing through their veins, even if on the outside they look different, we as human beans all work the same, it is only on the shallow view of only seeing the outside that is different and basing false assumptions on that.
- Raymond Marr aka Knatchwa
McCain is not a neo-con. The whole invented "neo-con" thing was a stupid attempt to brand Bush and Co. as extreme right even though they passed far more left-leaning legislation and spending than right-leaning. It's a pejorative against conservatives that sounds innocent, just like an Arab calling an Israeli "Zionist." Most of us understand the true meaning when those terms are used.
- Chris Mayer
While McCain is not a neo-con, the term wasn't invented last year. Bush and Co. were neo-cons and the people they alligned themselves with coined themselves that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- PC Easy
from twhirl
I agree. The McCain speech was actually very good.
- Dave
I am from Indiana and didn't vote for Obama but I was glad to see it close all night and didn't mind that he won. When looking back at the Clinton wins I was embarassed for the states below Indiana. They had no problem voting for a white democrat with Clinton but clearly couldn't yet handle a black democrat With Obama. This is just sad.
- gfurry
True story about McCain's speech. Thank god he didn't orate that well during his campaign :)
- David
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the Yes on 8 vote embarrasses us all in front of the world. Though it changes the typical CA split from North vs South to East vs West.
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If Obama wins I am leaving the country in the morning.
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Why? I thought you were supporting Obama.
- Veetrag
Are you implying that a McCain win will ground the airline system? THREAT LEVELS: HIGH!
- Daniel J. Pritchett
which country?
- Zee.
And if he doesn't, will you leave as well? :-)
- Phil Windley
Very confused Scoble? Leaving because you feel confident, worried, unsafe?
- ryangraves
And if he doesn't you're cancelling a trip in frustration? =)
- Brandon Paddock
the same!! Why???
- obolonskyi
I think you can start looking for a ticket from now. But, I'm not there, so I may not be right, who could say?
- Markingegno - Donato
very funny. already ticketed I assume.
- Josh Haley
We are leaving for China in the morning.
- Robert Scoble
And if he doesn't win you're gonna cancel your trip?!?
- Andy Sternberg
where to?
- Jim Goldstein
But you'll be back in a day or two. :-)
- SeanMc74
you tricked me! :)
- Zee.
reason being...?
- Caleb Cherry
OK. You're going on an overseas trip anyway, and you're predicting the result
- Ian May
he's messing about - he's assuming Obama will win and is leaving the country because he has to anyway
- Zee.
we are leaving if McCain wins too. I am voting for Obama. Just having some fun with everyone!
- Robert Scoble
a lot of people said that about Sarkozy's election last year in France... And there're still here ;)
- Simon Robic
He's of course going to sit down at a table with Chinese communists. So it begins (j/k :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
good one
- Nikola Filipovic
Jenius! :D hahah...
- Markingegno - Donato
If Obama wins I'll have a delicious breakfast tomorrow!
- Phil G
A self-fulfilling prophecy with a dash of wish-fulfillment.
- Andrés David Aparicio
:)
- Alensa
I was also thinking of taking a short vacation to Ensenada -- to celebrate!
- Wilma Stoneflint
I don't get it. Are you going out of town?
- Tucker W.
why??? this is interesting, i thought u supported Obama!
- Junal Rahman
read up Junal
- Zee.
Junal we have a trip to China that starts tomorrow. It has been planned for months.
- Robert Scoble
ha! Good one! Let's hope!
- Craig McCreath
haha, I still don't think everyone understands the play on words of your post :) Have a great time in China!
- Justin Levy
:))
- پارسـا
I love it!!!
- Aisha Boyd
It means Robert already has travel plans. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
Guess it's time for the Candians to pull out the couch for Scoble!! I think you should give it a chance before fleeing the country the day after election.
- Les Zaldor
the real question is: if McCain wins, will you be allowed to get back to the US again? :)
- dario
Ok, this was actually kinda clever. I like. :)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
If McCain wins, I'm leaving the country! In the MORNING, TOO!!! :-) Go McCain! Down with Rev Wright's puppet
- Rocky Barbanica
Hey Rocky, Happy Rev Wright Puppet Day
- Christopher Galtenberg
@Rocky, I didn't realize you're a conservative. That must be fun working with Scoble.
- Trevor Carpenter
I think you made that post to get people to come to see what you meant, great job!
- Avil Beckford
Say hi to shel.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
On the other hand, if Obama wins we can then blame him for all of our problems, since he believes the government should control us.
- Paul Dizmang
deep, Paul. exactly what I heard him say... uh, never
- Christopher Galtenberg
Dork! Careful, they might through you in a state run start up over there ;)
- jamesdkirk
sailing to international waters then turning right around, nice.
- adolfo foronda
you wont make your flight. Incendiary items are not allowed.
- Sean Oliver
Leaving not a problem...try getting back in :)
- John Nogrady
is this how scoble creates traffic... makes an arbitrary statement without cause or reason... then he reads all of these comments and feels better about his day? I really don't get it.
- Caleb Cherry
funny, I'm planning on leaving if Obama loses!
- Luis Valdes
really? I srsly thought you were pro-Obama, technology, pro-Net Neutrality, and civil rights. In any case, I respect your choice, just honor it.
- Joe Manna
@Caleb, it's a soc-web experiment demonstrating how people don't bother to read comments
- Christopher Galtenberg
Who cares?
- Karin
You could take a slow boat to China.
- Donna Boley
Someone is going to the reeducation camps...
- Ben Jackson
from twhirl
Robrolled!
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Just in case you were serious :) I sympathize...this election is a loser no matter who wins.
- Chris Rossini
It is funny how many thought this was an anti-Obama post. It is not. Also Rocky bet me $100 that McCain will win. I will collect that in the morning too. I love taking money from Republicans! :-)
- Robert Scoble
enjoy your time in China!
- Nancy Babyak
That's because you're traveling to China in the morning
- Jesse Stay
what you're not saying is if you'll come back from China if McCain wins!
- Jorge Escobar
Interesting to see who follows you closely enough to know about the China trip and who doesn't. Clever post Robert! :) Enjoy the trip... looking forward to hearing about it.
- Lucretia Pruitt
If McCain wins, were closing the border here in Canada.
- Gene Moreau
At least getting back into the country will be a breeze! Obama will remove all border restrictions! :)
- Ben
اوباما برد رابرت جان پاشو برو از اون کشور :)))
- پارسـا
Color + Design Blog / How Carrots Help Us See The Color Orange by COLOURlovers - http://www.colourlovers.com/blog...
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fantastic colors :)
- Mahdi Ebrahimi
Killer Pumpkin!! - http://i40.photobucket.com/albums...
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:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Now that Twitter, Facebook, and FriendFeed are giving us "real time" views, I find I'm "Media Snacking" much more. Watching the streams...
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Robert, do you believe this will adversely affect your productivity ?
- Mo Kargas
Mo: yes.
- Robert Scoble
Everything, if left uncontrolled, adversely affects productivity. ;)
- Vincent van Wylick
Hmm, me too. I'm beginning to think that perhaps it's going to be better turning it off, except for rooms of interest, or in times of important events, like the recent debates.
- Mo Kargas
Robert, it's slightly odd to have you up on East Coast time. With that said, 8-10 am ET is probably the easiest to enjoy the realtime view as it's not nearly so busy.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
The concept of Life Balance has changed. It's now about going this way and that every day/hour/minute - but in a way that it all evens out in the end.
- Pete Steege
om nom nom nom!! ... Mo - that was the original intent of the "Real-time" feature design. See Bret Taylor's FF blog post on this yesterday.
- Susan Beebe
I'm going to project the feeds onto my bedroom roof so i can open my eyes every hour on the hour and see what's happening. Seriously tho', as soon as this streaming goes mobile globally how can we switch off?!
- Steven Livingstone-Pérez
from twhirl
Having been rather ruthless with my time on Soc Nets the last 3-4 weeks (according to Rescue Time), my productivity has gone up and I have more energy. RT was nice during the debate, but have turned it off since. NO more distractions.
- Sally Church
Thanks Susan, yesterday is still today for me, I'm still drilling through all the blog posts on the feature ! :)
- Mo Kargas
twitter in real time? (have I missed it, or you meant third party applications?)
- Orli Yakuel
If I recall correct, it is now possible to surf to twitter.com and have realtime updates without a page refresh, like in friendfeed.com/realtime
- Bart Muskala - AdNerd Sr.
anyway, twitter in real-time or not, it still adversely affect my productivity. I'm an addict (soon to be in rehab)
- Orli Yakuel
My sex is on fire!
- Joe Dawson
It's definitely affecting my productivity. I have been staring at friendfeed for like half an hour now.. snap out if now .. snap, snap
- | Balu |
weblivz, good idea, is that mirror on your bedroom ceiling? No it's FriendFeed...
- Amit Morson
@Amit Morson Hmmm, this is potentially a whole new deeper, darker idea of FriendFeed we're talking about now :)
- Steven Livingstone-Pérez
from twhirl
Orli and Bart - twitter recently launched their election site which was in "real-time". Also there's a 3rd party application http://TwitRefresh.com which refreshes the twitter for you, pretty cool.
- Susan Beebe
right... it was their election site. It's all coming back to me now :)
- Bart Muskala - AdNerd Sr.
Wrote about the implications a bit here http://tinyurl.com/4y5eef
- Steve Rubel
@weblivz: I guess that's why FF have "rooms"
- Amit Morson
Susan, yeah, I've veen using tweenky for a long time and I loved the real-time feature, but I understood it's coming really soon to Twitter itself: http://flickr.com/photos... (twitter plan screenshot)
- Orli Yakuel
I don't even see the matrix anymore. All I see is blonde, brunette, redhead...
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Turn off your mind, relax, and float downstream... :)
- Ontario Emperor
Good lord, I instead find myself strongly motivated to disconnect from the Internet, read a few classics very slowly and carefully, and meditate on them in silence and solitude. The chitter chatter and jibber jabber become tiresome very quickly. It's a real distraction from serious thinking. (Permit me to be an ornery contrarian for the moment.)
- Sean McBride
I recently spent a weekend without my computer, reading some classics. Ironically, I was reading them in Stanza on my iPod Touch....Aaaah, curling up with a cup of hot cocoa and a good...MP3player?
- Robert Clockedile
Robert - I am currently rereading Ralph Waldo Emerson's essays on my Samsung Blackjack. I hear ya. :) And I've been listening to the Odyssey in MP3 format on the same device. It is possible for human beings to construct more meaningful expressions than the tweet.
- Sean McBride
never heard that phrase before "media snacking" LOL!
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Alien Technology raises $38 million for RFID technology - http://venturebeat.com/2008...
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local news!
- Eric Rice
Tina Fey As Sarah Palin In VP Debate On SNL (VIDEO) - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008...
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holy jesus i just peed myself
- Eric Rice
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McCain takes credit for bill before it loses - Politico.com Print View - http://dyn.politico.com/printst...
Brandon Titus, Christian, Rusty Keller and 15 other people liked this
"Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and his top aides took credit for building a winning bailout coalition – hours before the vote failed and stocks tanked. The rush to claim he had engineered a victory now looks like a strategic blunder that will prolong the McCain’s campaign’s difficulty in finding a winning message on the economy."
- Clint Ecker
from Bookmarklet
One more call for a "Love" button :-D
- jcunwired
D'oh!!!
- Internet's Tad
Made worse by the fact that the majority of the "No" votes were Republicans. Who knows, maybe it really is a better idea that the market tanks... after all, free markets mean success AND failure. Japan did this once...
- Glenn Batuyong
This is 100% free market. I don't agree because some people will be affected because of this, mainly employees of the failing companies. But the solution needs to be far more elaborated..
- Jorge
Jorge, I'll say it before and I'll say it again. We haven't seen 100% free market since the New Deal, and we don't want to. Capitalism without regulation is the same as begging for an aristocracy based on economic wealth, the destruction of the middle class and poverty like you and I sitting here posting on FriendFeed cannot imagine.
- Aaron Krug
Jorge, 100% free market is a very scary thing. Luckily we have no such thing here in America any more.
- Clint Ecker
hehe way to kick yourself in the back, McCain camp
- Glenn Batuyong
On NPR: "The Republicans have been playing russian roulette with the economy." I think we just hit the chamber with the bullet in it."
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Now watch as they spin this to blam the Democrats. It's already started.
- Jim McCusker
Jim: I blame @johnculberson (he's a Republican in the House, from Texas). He lays out that he was against it all weekend long on his Twitter account.
- Robert Scoble
And with the Dems failing to stop them with THEIR Congress.spare me the BLAME game everyone and fix the problem.frickin' sheep!
- Live4Emma (L4S)
What were the Dem whips doing today?
- Simon May
Robert: Culberson is just one Republican (with a Qik account) who's part of the republican fall-out against the bill. Perhaps more people should read the bill and make up their own mind... Here's a summary of what's in the bill --> http://tinyurl.com/54lewt
- Jim McCusker
can google buy a bank?
- jeneane sessum
Robert, I am on edge and saddened that the bill didn't pass as well, but reading @johnculberson's tweets it seems like he was just against the bailout because he'd rather remove the mark to market regulations and let the banks weather the storm. Anyone have any information on why that wouldn't work?
- J. McConnell
Anti-war veterans unfurl 'Arrest Bush/Cheney' banner at National Archives | Countdown to Crawford | Los Angeles Times - http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/preside...
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"Bush and Cheney’s serial abuse of the law of the land clearly marks them as domestic enemies of the Constitution. They have illegally invaded and occupied Iraq, deliberately destroyed civilian infrastructure, authorized torture, and unlawfully detained prisoners. These actions clearly mark them as war criminals. Accountability extends beyond impeachment to prosecution for war crimes even after their terms of office expire"
- Alan Cheslow
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You're fired, Jack. The lab results just came back, and you tested positive for Coke.
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haha!
- Anna Haro
this will never get old. know that.
- Admiral Anika
I went to Emory (aka Coca Cola University) and a construction crew brought a Pepsi machine on campus. School threatened to pull the contract.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
And the construction crew was never seen again.
- Mark Wilson
HA HA HA HA! JMS FTW!
- josh neff, geek at large
+1 JMS
- Mark Wilson
lol
- Jay
That reminded me of this pic: http://beta.friendfeed.com/e...
- Jemm
Good way to dig my out-of-job situation hehe 9/
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
tina, are you serious??
- edythe
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