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Eco-Friendly Van Meets All-in-One Mobile Home | dornob #shareit - http://dornob.com/eco-fri...
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"The Volkswagen Microbus is a classic - even to those of us born after its time. Arguably unlike the newly remade Beetle, this remake of a VW classic is remarkably true to the original on the outside - but on the inside it is a bio-diesel hybrid stuffed full of high tech gadgetry and eco-friendly innovations."
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
*swoon*
- Ňicķ
sounds awesome. live the hippie dream, only it probably costs about $50,000 or something.
- Thomas Hawk
It's kinda cute. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Not a fan. Then again, didn't like the original ;)
- Mo Kargas
Afraid not Thomas, $129,000
- Steven Cains
Super cool VW Bus making a comeback...
- Walt Ruppar
First of all, I'll cop to wanting one of these. That being said, Jason is right. This is for rich hippies (who probably aren't hippies at all). The VW microbus became the darling of the Flower Power crowd because it was cheap, easy to repair, and big. You could camp in it. Is there a car today that fits this bill?
- Chris Baskind
wow, you can buy an awful lot of pot with $129,000.
- Thomas Hawk
I don't know a self-respecting hippie that would prefer this over a really nice indoor greenhouse. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
@Chris, Most cars today aren't as simple, but with the wealth of knowledge online, it just takes more time. The minivan/SUV can become a camper van with a few mods. They'll never take the place of the VW, but they're an updated version of the 70s panelvan conversions (hopefully without shag carpeting & a disco-ball).
- Steven Cains
Nope: there will never be anything that simple again. That's not all bad: I can't imagine a 1960s VW Minibus would satisfy *any* federal safety standard these days. You're right. A used minivan might be the closest thing.
- Chris Baskind
Very Cool. You can't drive your house but, you can sleep in your Van !!!
- Eric Logan
Want.
- Ken Sheppardson
Want!!
- Sarah Perez
Very intriguing. How much steel is in that thing? Chris, that would be my next question after fuel consumption: how safe is this thing? And I agree, when we can go back to making transportation that costs less than a small home, we may have achieved something amazing. ;)
- Melanie Reed
However, I have heard (and I'm not remembering where at the moment) that there has been a movement growing of people seeking alternative housing and substituting things like this as the new "mobile" home.
- Melanie Reed
AWESOME!
- tomit
@drewdomkus ... you need this for your move!
- tomit
So wanting one! Cute ^__^
- Nia
Hehe, it's dinky, isn't it? :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
lovelovelove!
- esther ♥ ♫
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- Kol Tregaskes
It looks like it could almost fly in the first pic. ;-) Well, maybe not. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Looks a bit different than the 76 Kombi @imbutafool and I owned several years ago
- ThePicMan
Oh, shit, it's so beautifull!
- Igor Kuzmin
Everyone is loving this! We should have an FF one and use it to travel to all the FFers around the World (like Pea seems to be doing ;-)). Hehe. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
cool idea, kol. the ff-stream of this tour would be alltheawe. just imagine the photos.
- esther ♥ ♫
Look it is my retirement home.
- John Flynn
Oh no, don't say that, John. That puts me right off it. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I want one!
- TranceMist
I've owned 5 VWs, two of which were split window vans. I'd love to have another, this is awesome!
- Rick Bucich
from twhirl
I have had more VWs than other cars...starting with a 71 Superbeetle, and a Split Window Microbus. I would LOVE to have something like this.
- Kreg Steppe
Good for grandparents to visit grandchildren and children through the European continent (or another one as well)...nomadism-revival!
- Isabelle Ayel
wow i posted this a while back and now can't seem to find it for some reason. friendfeed's search function really sucks!
- Cee Bee
Want. Cannot afford.
- Jules
So after reading this article yesterday, I found myself this evening in front of a local place that specializes in reconditioning old VWs. It was closed, but there's an awesome red and white microbus out front with a For Sale sign on it. Ugly, underpowered -- and probably dangerous, by modern standards. Want. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
Cee, really? I find FF search is pretty good.
- Kol Tregaskes
I love this Mobile...owned a few Vdubs, lived in a VW camper, but this is off the hook..I would become a true nomad with this...
- bcultral
It's just so cute, LOL!
- Kol Tregaskes
love it
- chance
Perfect for the recession :-)
- Richard A.
I'd like to have something like this, something small. What do you really need? A bed, perhaps a TV and room for your computer. Then you can live anywhere you like, in theory.
- Kol Tregaskes
so cute ;)
- sakura
Richard, agree. No council tax bill, no utility bills, just petrol I guess?
- Kol Tregaskes
I Love this
- Nima
Who is this Canadian designer Alexandre Verdier? Seems like he is on Facebook, Linked In but I can't seem to find anything else about him.
- Brian Sullivan
We had a wesvalia built Micro when I was a kid. I loved that thing. It was a little flimsily built; but boy it was perfect for my family of campers and road-tripping warriors. Too bad this one is so pricey
- Bill Rawlinson
Bumping some old good posts. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
eww yuck i accidentally created a new VB.NET project, i feel dirty - need a shower
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@robcthegeek @nkohari Imagine a distributed team writing a report where each chapter's a kanban card.You could manage the artifact & process
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After my hell w @verizon &watching @sprezzatura's co-hells w @verizon & @comcast, I wonder how anyone gets service who doesn't work@home.
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Whole day gone already? Crap. Oh, wait, my computer was set to GMT for testing. Whew.
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Run for Cover - David Sanborn, Marcus Miller: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Starting to be able to skateboard w/kid to school. Anything to entertain the neighbors...
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Oh come on! Dell lease buyout price on two 3-year old laptops was over $1500! I called and said, "ARE YOU CRAZY? I CAN BUY NEW ONES FOR THAT!" They said, "Oh how about $368?" I now own my $160 laptop they wanted to charge me almost $800 for. Jeez!
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whether or not global warming is anthropogenic, isn't it worth trying to reduce pollution? oh no - i guess not. why would we do that?
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Hmm. Went to check to see if others are complaining about Apple shipping old OS on iPod Touch, but the discussion site is down. #applefail
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Awesome. Apple removed a thread from their forum where we were discussing the fact that they sell iPod Touches with the old OS. #applefail
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In Glacier National Park. Just saw a family of 4 bear cubs & their mom climbing a tree just a few feet from the road!
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FB buying FF is bad news for FF users.
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Agree totally Dave
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Why do you think so Dave?
- Tim Akinbo
10000% agree, its dreadul and the big boys like Leo and Scoble cant seem to see it!
- Mark
Leo laporte says "This is a big step toward an open Facebook. This has been their goal all along: a distributed Facebook." What a Crock of SHITE
- Mark
They bought the people!
- Mark
yeah... but it is also a smart move, they got the team..
- Rob Sellen :o)
I'm trying to give the FF team the benefit of the doubt...but I'm having a hard time with it as well.
- Ken Kennedy
Born to be sold, we were used to say in the new economy era.
- Federico Bolsoman
They bought the people. We Stick with that. FF guys are Smart/fast and have deep Google knowledge
- Marco Massarotto
from iPhone
Woah. I step away from the computer for a couple hours and this is what happens?
- Travis B. Hartwell
I agree an independent Friendfeed might be preferable for we few brave FF users. But the writing was on the wall. For most users it's Twitter or Facebook or nothing at all. Aligning with Facebook is smart long term thinking if FB is planning to open up as I am convinced they are.
- Leo Laporte
from BuddyFeed
Let's hope that FB doesn't block people from using the 'competeition' while on FF.
- shelter watch
Seems everything's headed for an autumn war Facebook <> Google Wave
- Jordi Soler
At first I like the idea of FF & FB, but now I'm starting to think it's bad for FF
- Ray H
hmm, an open, new version of FB that uses all of what makes FF great would be nice.
- Dusty Edenfield
Leo's got the right idea, and independence is a myth
- Steve Gillmor
Well, how could it possibly be a good thing?
- Fleagle
Agree, I'm not a Facebook fan although I try but.. I'd definitely take FF over FB anyday.
- Sharon Dexter
I prefer a FriendFeed folded into Facebook versus a FriendFeed that quietly fades away, which is the direction this was going.
- Mike Doeff
Totally agree - facebook is so tedious and slow. FF is wonderful.
- Zphotogal
+1 mike
- Riaz Kanani
We imagine FB with the SEO juice of FF, thus intercepting search traffic...
- Marco Massarotto
from iPhone
I can certainly see the best ideas from FF being folded into FB but not sure what that says about the future of this site and the data it contains
- Keith Harrison
Except for the whole FriendFeed dying slowly in the obscure ghetto of the digirati part. As Mike said, FF in FB is better than no FF at all. FriendFeed users are far better off having it than watching it its gradual anemia grow worse and worse until one day it vanishes.
- Curtis Schweitzer
While this may never happen, consider it a possibility - your entire FB feed now available in FF.
- Tim Akinbo
It is really hard to see how FB will do more than incorporate staff and ideas from FF. FriendFeed's design of being a very open aggregator is very different than FB's walled garden ethic. I also think part of what attracted me to prefer FF over FB is the clean interface, as opposed to FB fire-in-a-bordello presentation style. I hope FB really listens on the UI side and not just on the aggregator side, or works just mines out the staff.
- David Lounsbury
This is a good thing for FF and FB both. This will lead to a more open FB and steal Twitter's thunder.
- Tim
"the writing on the wall?" ... that's just hyperbole, Leo. Paul Buchheit himself said in his interview w/ Scoble that they could have kept the service alive "for years"...there was no financial issue forcing this, like tr.im or something. And while I suppose there are those that believe the most popular site/music/art/people are always the best, I think that's both a shallow way of...
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- Ken Kennedy
Like 4 Ken
- Marco Massarotto
from iPhone
What I care about most is having a Facebook profile that is *actually* public, viewable by non-users.
- Andrew Roche
I definitely DONT LIKE IT grmphhh !
- laetSgo
@andrew that's one thing FF team is very good at: climbing Google :)
- Marco Massarotto
from iPhone
DOnt like it either. I'm off to a self hosted http://sweetcron.com/ or wait for a http://kakuteru.com/ invite.
- Mario Valente
One thing that can be said about social communities - its the people who build the product. Had we not given excellent feedback to FriendFeed developers in creating our perfect world FB wouldn't have had an interest. Its our fault. :(
- jcunwired
i'll agree to wait this one out before being totally devastated about Facebook buying FriendFeed
- Chris Heath
Let's leave "en masse"
- Giorgio Burlini
from iPhone
Motion carried, motion passed.
- Zachary TG
Facebook is banned from my work computer.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
Live *open* BadHair podcast in 8 minutes. (347) 843-4661. Call in if you have a comment or question re FB/FF. Starts in 3 minutes.
- Dave Winer
Wait and see ...
- Kate Foy
It means you'll have to share. wahhhhh
- Andrew Smith
I think it is a bad idea. I don't like to use Facebook except for frivolous reasons. FF has been good for reliable information. I suppose I'll stop using it so much now. We'll see.
- Barbara K. Iverson
I want to see where this is going but definitely my favorite social site just got folded into my least favorite.
- Braden Douglass
It depends entirely on what direction FF would have taken next (and what direction it will take Dave). Think most of us that have been around FF since almost the start (when it was a MUCH smaller place) miss that but this actually might be a good thing.
- Charlie Anzman
Agreed if they lose the FF interface.
- Wei-Yen Tan
If we put all our faith into a single platform or a single solution [Twitter/FB/Goog] then we lose touch with people, processes and where history is taking us. In this case, we’re headed more in the direction of where .tel and Identi.ca are stumbling, consciously or not: towards a non-web-centric, permission-based polycephalous set of systems, where discussions and messaging transpire...
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- A Mitchell
Google Wave is coming to replace all this stuff. And Google Reader will get more social features including item recommendations through comparing users likes, and so Google will win this. Good time to sell.
- Charbax
Interesting convo we had there dave, thanks for letting us call in and participate.
- Chris Heath
But the real question is who will take over who? Isn't there a possibility that FriendFeed will takeover Facebook! I hope FB make it work as I like the idea of FF but it doesn't have the critical mass of people talking about what I am interested in!
- Phillip Molly Malone
I agree it's probably bad news for FF users.FF has reliable info. I don't want it to become chatter.
- Leigh Marriner
I'll admit to being a recent convert to FF but it was the best social site I have used yet (and I have used them all). I am sorry to see it lose it's independence. This will not end well for FF groupies. But my reading of the tea leaves is that FF options as a standalone service were not good. I guess this is a sign of a maturing market. Can a Larry Ellison acquisition be far behind?
- Michael Liss
simply but clear
- Gioia Feliziani
I agree with Dave's original assertion. I'm struggling to imagine the value Facebook could add to FriendFeed, and I can certainly imagine the downsides. Having an aggregator that sits independently on top of the commercial pile, while fleeting as a free service, is a valuable one.
- Allred
disagree.
- Gus
I have my suspicions too. But Facebook have been wanting to open up more for some time (e.g., they're eliminating regional networks), and I'm guessing they see FF as the key. I'm betting they'll fuse the two services soon. But let's hope they use FF to improve FB. But there's always a big chance FB will ruin FF. Stay tuned...
- Dennis Jernberg
+1 for A Mitchell's insights. If tr.im and FF have taught us anything, it's that no matter how many open api's there are, a closed platform is still a closed platform, and it can disappear overnight. We need a decentralized yet federated way to do all that FF did (and more). If it's not decentralized, we don't have redundancy. if it's not federated, we lose community an conversation.
- Don Faulkner
from BuddyFeed
another +1, Don and A Mitchell. I just finished a blog post along almost exactly the same lines, Don...decentralization and federation are both key. Good news is, this is historically how things go...nerds only, then mainstream joins, but centralized (think AOL, Compuserve, Prodigy...services and email that couldn't talk to each other). As the systems mature, then value of decentralization becomes apparent. This week could actually be an important milestone in speeding up that process *here's to hoping...*.
- Ken Kennedy
But Facebook buying friendfeed is great news for the 250+ million fb users! (And most ff users have fb :)
- Garin Kilpatrick
It would have been better (slightly) if they were acquired by Twitter. I'm not a Twitter fan, but I think FF would bring more to twitter, it would be a better fit and the users and the interface would have a better chance at "integration"
- Mario Valente
I've read its good for FF, it's bad for FF. It's better than being sold to google, it's better than being sold to twitter. Myriad variations on a theme, which leads me to conclude we haven't got a clue what the future will bring.
- Mark
FB will better integrate FF than Google or others ever would -- one hopes. let's see what happens and go from there. Good news is that it will generate a ton of news for you peeps to report on.
- Gavin Adams
It's simply time for a distributed story for this type of application. You shouldn't need to rely on any providers who can be down or might be bought.
- Christian Scholz
"Google Wave is coming to replace all this stuff." And lock you into yet another platform owned by one company.
- Ian Betteridge
@Ian...Wave is a federated, decentralized, (to be) open-sourced solution. It's complicated, but it's at worst an architecture lock-in (ie, it might be hard to move a large corpus of Wave-annotated data out of the Wave infrastructure). Unless Google is pulling a flat-out lying fast one...there won't be any reason why you can't run your "own" instance of Wave and connect to the rest of the Net. So not standard company lock-in.
- Ken Kennedy
Ken, to be honest, I'll believe it when I see companies other than Google taking the code and running an equivalent service. Flat out lying? No, probably not. But "only able to do something useful if you're connected to Google in some way"? Probably.
- Ian Betteridge
@Ian, I hear ya, but I've read enough of the technical specs to lay my money on the other side of that bet.
- Ken Kennedy
At least Google is one company that's not likely to turn coat on its social community and sell out.
- jcunwired
Really? I think the old Jaiku community would disagree with you on that. And the people who stored their bookmarks in Google Bookmarks, too.
- Ian Betteridge
why?
- Thomas Power
Sorry - I meant Google Browser Sync rather than Google Bookmarks. One is dead, the other alive and well(ish). But the point is that Google has a track record of killing or abandoning services when it suits.
- Ian Betteridge
True, Ian. Google's "do no evil" doesn't keep them from killing things that aren't panning out for their world domination strategy. They're marginally more saintly than Facebook.
- Sean Gallagher
Is it because of the Facebook ad approach that Dave W and Scoble are looking to jump ship on FriendFeed?
- Sean Gallagher
Sean: I'm not jumping ship. But I will follow early adopters wherever they go.
- Robert Scoble
Or Google Notebook. Even given that and Jaiku, though, which did do a blow to my faith in Google, I would rather a Google-FriendFeed than a Facebook-FriendFeed. Mostly because I think they'd let it do its own thing rather than assimilate it. They left YouTube pretty well alone. Oh well.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
disagree with FF and LI nxt year bottled up inside Facebook this forces Google MS and Apple to get seriously social and start playing rather than just watching. Google-Twitter, Apple-Facebook versus Microsoft-Bing now that's a battle I want to (socially) watch with all you guys. Oh what fun. Can't wait.
- Thomas Power
I'm not sure Facebook or FriendFeed are entities whose well-being I value so highly; users, I care about, and having FriendFeed developper work their magic, their talent and their stand for open standard to benefit 300M people sounds more important to me then having them spend more time tailoring the digerati's private network. I'm far for believing you can't improve FriendFeed, but I'd...
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- Bertil Hatt
@Bertil_Hatt: if there's one thing that FriendFeed isn't it's a private network. Facebook is the one who, on the other hand, operates like a "walled garden" or a private condo.
- Miguel Caetano
Only if you believe the FF has a sustainable business model?
- Gary Walter (gwalter)
FF is F'ed
- Shivanand Velmurugan
"FF connected me with new friends that I would never have known. FB connects me with old friends I could have done without. :(" - jcunwired http://friendfeed.com/jcunwir...
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Exactly
- Shevonne
The best comment I've heard today!
- Bonnie Foster
its actually quite easy to ignore someone you could have done without. *sigh*
- Sidney
Wow. Some of you apparently live terrible lives, filled with terrible people you seem unable to avoid, with the possible exception of this one website, I feel terrible about that.Of course, it's also possible you've wildly overestimated the difference between the people you know here and the people who know you in real life.
- Richard Lawler
Or it could be, you're wrong.
- Bwana ☠
Nope, you're the ones who keep saying everyone you know and everything you do on facebook sucks. That must be terrible.
- Richard Lawler
Yes Richard because clearly I can make friends from all over the world on my daily stroll through the park. Or not.
- vijay
Richard: That there's a possible incompatibility between networks centered around personal relationships -- or at least people you've physically encountered -- and networks based largely on interests, seems pretty clear to me.
- Christopher A Carr
Yes, it's confirmed. You're wrong.
- Bwana ☠
bingo
- Jim Goldstein
My life wouldn't be the same without vijay
- Rodfather
If everyone you've physically encountered sucks, the problem just might be you.
- Richard Lawler
Hear, hear. This news sucks.
- Adi
Oh Lord....not this guy :)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Richard: I suppose there's nothing stopping you from deleting your ff account now and heading on over to Facebook full-time.
- Christopher A Carr
I like this post, but I love all my social networks equally lol.
- Ryan Peach
Luckily, unlike so many here, I can keep using any website I want the same way I did before without devolving into a baseless bitchfest about what might happen someday somewhere. Or, I could have kneejerk reaction based on irrational fear. hmmm
- Richard Lawler
And you're very good at keeping your assumptions to yourself
- Bwana ☠
Richard: Were friendfeed to say that it's going to survive, or at least that FB will have a more open, public facing side to it as a result of the acquisition, then I think the bitching would subside. As it stands, there's not much reason to think that anything of friendfeed will survive. If Facebook perfectly met everyone's needs, there would be no friendfeed.
- Christopher A Carr
On the bright side, I can have a kneejerk reaction on FB and remove baseless bitches from my friends list. :)
- jcunwired
Except, they haven't really said anything. So thinking anything will or won't survive is premature. If Facebook perfectly met everyone's expectations there would be no need for war, sickness or evil deeds. Every online community is the same as every other one, if friendfeed, for whatever reason, doesn't keep doing what you want ti to do, you'll use something else. It hasn't ever been perfect and it never will be.
- Richard Lawler
I told you Richard. You're wrong. "Taylor and Cox say that the Friendfeed product will live on independently, and eventually Friendfeed will be merged into Facebook. But the Friendfeed team is not being kept whole. Some employees will now report to Cox, others to engineering head Mike Schroepfer. In my opinion that means, long term, the Friendfeed product itself is unlikely to be a big priority." http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Bwana ☠
Well, you told me what techcrunch's opinion is, because that's what I wanted to know. Thanks! (there's sarcasm there)
- Richard Lawler
Ok let me slow it down for you. The team is splitting. The product is going to merge with Facebook. (No sarcasm)
- Bwana ☠
Richard: "Every online community is the same as every other one..." That's nonsense.
- Christopher A Carr
I can wholly identify with JC's statement.
- JA Castillo
Wow Bwana...you are really bitchy in this thread...I think Richard is making some good points. If you are having issues with the people you 'accept' on Facebook there really is only one person who you can point the finger. You. Facebook makes it quite easy to NOT get involved with any person.
- Sidney
Thanks. Appreciate the feedback.
- Bwana ☠
I accept friends in Facebook because if they took the time to want to be friends with me, I feel obligated. I'm also not one to hurt a person's feelings by turning them down. That's what its like in a closed community like Facebook. Friendfeed is totally open - I can read, share, participate and like without having any obligation whatsoever to the people I interact with.
- jcunwired
Sidney - Refusing to see that there is a clear difference between the people and the atmosphere of Facebookers and Friendfeeders is either foolishness or stubbornness. There is a world in facebook, full of garbage, that people think is "ok" because it evolved from other crap.
- Matthew DeVries
Same here. Wisely said!
- Nia
There is the matter of censorship too. You really have to post some very illegal crap before FF will step in a mod it. Facebook bounces you for saying breastfeeding.
- Matthew DeVries
I couldn't have put it better myself. Just got back and saw the news. Still digesting it.
- Charlie Anzman
Well said guys!
- Susan Beebe
Actually, I love most of my Facebook friends, or I wouldn't have (re)connected. But FF is a different community.
- Glen Mistletoe
I like Facebook friends, I don't like that think it's ok to kidnap me, poke me, or ask me what Fantana girl I'm most like. I don't like that they think I'm the misanthropic curmudgeon with the problem when I ask them not to "It's what Facebook is for"
- Matthew DeVries
LOL
- Thomas Power
It's interesting to see ho people use different networking sites - for example - I use FB for personal connections and family and the rest are business related.
- Graham Bunting
I like my friends, but you are definently right. I just got on friendfeed any advice on making friends?
- Ryan Peach
Smart!
- Martha
Great insight!
- William Phillips
@Carnage4Life I don't think that advocating for creative commons is the same thing as advocating unattributed plagiarism for commercial ends
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@ColinSteele @edla @cloudcamp @sfoskett: the phrase "Server hugger" has been around for years in Grid Computing: those who won't share thrs.
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At Google Searchology event, the shoot down the idea that they are becoming more "semantic." (Despite embracing some Microformats and RDFa)
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Nonsense, read the article again. You have grown an ideological hangup on the term Semantic; it merely describes a difference in approach and orientation towards web published data architecture. "everything" is not only "everything", it can be broken down into specific "somethings" . The Semantic web is a specific something: a new consensus on data architecture; that's exactly what it means.
- Igor Goldkind
I listened to of live on real time. No need to go back and read anything. His meaning was clear. There's nothing interesting about re-publishing somebody's pre-baked ratings. Unique value in search has to go beyond simple subscription.
- Cliff Gerrish
The value from search is derived from relevance; more relevant results is a better search. Semantic delivers very simply better search results. Which is why Google has adopted it and put their sticker Rich Snippets on it.
- Igor Goldkind
"embracing some micro formats and RDFa" is like being a little pregnant. Those terms are a description of organizing meta data in triplets; once you do it, you've gone Semantic.
- Igor Goldkind
No. It's a tiny part of what they do, and the least important. Subscribing to a xml feed is hardly going "semantic." You can see why they'd reject that terminology, it's too ambiguous. I suggest you call it the web of logical propositions. You're attempting to rebuild Russell's kingdom of logic.
- Cliff Gerrish
Except that contextual, nuance and syllogistic associations are also possible using Semantic. The connections are meaning-full ones not merely inductive or deductive.
- Igor Goldkind
I'd refer you to Wittgenstein's Philosophical Investigations for a better understanding of the limits of that kind of reasoning.
- Cliff Gerrish
Because Wittgenstein is determining data architecture standards for the web?
- Igor Goldkind
Because Wittgenstein understands the limitations of propositional logic as a second order language in the context of ordinary language.
- Cliff Gerrish
But Semantic analysis isn't just propositional logic.
- Igor Goldkind
Is it also a floor wax?
- Cliff Gerrish
Well it certainly isn't merely flippant; you need to hear what the practioners are doing. It's usefulness is emerging as more and more people adopt.
- Igor Goldkind
Not 'merely flippant,' but mostly flippant? Yes, and Google's usefulness is emerging as more and more people adopt too---- oh wait, they already have a dominant market share. Seems to me that 'microformats' is explicitly the approach of creating adoption through grass roots organizing. What you're talking about is just a replay of the meta tag crisis.
- Cliff Gerrish
You'll find most SEOs recognize the re-emergence of meta tags as important for ranking. microformats and rdf are both grassroots in the sense that anyone with data can mark up. You appear to equate rigour with elitism.
- Igor Goldkind
Re-emergence? Meta tags are not used in ranking by any reputable search engines. RDF is the opposite of grassroots. I support the microformats approach, it is both rigorous and grassroots.
- Cliff Gerrish
If you support microformats then you support the Semantic Web; about time too. A meta description tag is what Google coughs up as the 160 character description of a website on their SERP. Unless you register with the ODP which Google defaults to unless you've inserted robotex. You need to read more about OWL and ontologies to understand how the different RDF structures reveal more patterns in the relationships between classes of data, thus revealing more data about data. It's the organic nature of Semantic.
- Igor Goldkind
There's nothing organic about the "Semantic" web. And support of microformats does not equal support of the "semantic" web. It's the opposite of support for RDF. While I agree that there will be more and more structured data published to the Network. It won't be by virtue of the academic exercises you cite. One of the reasons the phrase "semantic web" is so meaningless is you stretch it to cover every case.
- Cliff Gerrish
microformats were developed as a direct consequence of the Berner-Lee's call for a Semantic web. You need to go back to http://w3c.org to read the definitions in the white papers that were published back in the late 90's. On the contrary, I think you're re-defining what organic means. The data that is being structured to meet Semantic criteria represents the most significant change to the architecture of the web since the invention of html. It's going to be a whole new game and a much better one.
- Igor Goldkind
I support the benefits of structured data, I just don't support the semantic web.
- Cliff Gerrish
I haven't read everything posted here, but supporting structured data is supporting the semantic web. The semantic web is a web of data where the data is structured and linked.
- Juan Sequeda
Or perhaps it's just a web that uses restful protocols.
- Cliff Gerrish
No, as Juan points out, a web that is built on structured data is a Semantic one, that's the definition that was determined at the onset of Semantic development. That's why it represents such a big shift. Check my posting on the definitions of structured (not patterned), and unstructured data.
- Igor Goldkind
The web is built on unstructured data with bits of semi-structured, structured and APIs. It is fundamentally and essentially unstructured. That is its strength.
- Cliff Gerrish
You're using 'structure' in a different context.
- Igor Goldkind
Doesn't your semantic ontology owl, hoot and a change contexts on the fly?
- Cliff Gerrish
Yes, when it's relevant. Ontologies also replicate.
- Igor Goldkind
Signifiers connect to contexts across boundaries-- whether it's 'relevant' or not. The thought of 'ontologies' breeding troubles my sleep.
- Cliff Gerrish
Semantic markup (specifically RDFa) permit the signifiers to physically penetrate the info silos. I suggest you avoid the latest Terminator film if you're worried about losing sleep ;-)
- Igor Goldkind
Thank you. I'll avoid it. Nothing is "physical" in the Network. Everything is done by reference.
- Cliff Gerrish
I mean direct access to a database as opposed to Google's index
- Igor Goldkind
Google's index *is* a kind of database you have access to. (BigTable).
- Cliff Gerrish
Except that it ranks databases. That's the politics you're looking for.
- Igor Goldkind
I'm still not clear on your concept of "direct access" to distributed structured data. Explain how that architecture could be supported.
- Cliff Gerrish
Because the current web architecture that you appear intent on preserving is location specific. Databases can only be accessed from the index of their locations sheperded by Google. Semantic markup identifies data as uris, so the component can be retrieved directly with the right application. Soon that 'right application' will be Google, along with a few others.
- Igor Goldkind
That's REST. Google doesn't have anything to do with REST.
- Cliff Gerrish
REST isn't a web standard, it's a style. The difference being a style that doesn't work without standing on a foundation of standards like HTTP, URL XML/HTML/ etc. OWL 2.0, RDFa are standards.
- Igor Goldkind
So REST is non-standard? Not approved by the politburo? A standard is something used by more than one person with published documentation.
- Cliff Gerrish
REST is an approach,not a standard. HTML is a standard and the w3c has an approval criteria for its standard. No politburo, just the guy who invented html and its standards likes to keep it kosher.
- Igor Goldkind
It's the guys who write HTML interpreters that hold the keys, not the guy who "invented html"
- Cliff Gerrish
The 'keyholders' are the users (interpretors) who adhere to standards of best practice.
- Igor Goldkind
No, the browser with the most users, regardless of standards hold the key.
- Cliff Gerrish
So MS is the keyholder for the w3?
- Igor Goldkind
MSFT matters much more.
- Cliff Gerrish
To whom, it's shareholders?
- Igor Goldkind
To its users, through what viewport do most people view the Network?
- Cliff Gerrish
"I don't lack opportunities. I lack the talent to balance them all for maximum gain." Oh Man, tell me about it...
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Okay http://reputationcurrents.com/blog... is up! #identity #reputation #currency How should we grow it?
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So why are people coloring their avatars the color of Hamas?, and what color should a supporter of ahmedinijad use?
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Ahmedinijad just uses the whole Iranian flag ;-) (bonus points if you don't have to look it up to know what colors that is)
- Joel Bennett
red, white and green with some sort of image/symbol in the middle if i remember correctly
- karl prosser
Things we said today - http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009...
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It seems that many don't understand how separate and unique each individual's FriendFeed experience is. This results in misunderstandings and generalizations about the entire community and, by extension, the service itself. At a glance, I can usually tell how well a discussion is going based on who I'm subscribed to in it.
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Of course, this is just a generalization. Sometimes, those I don't subscribe to say good stuff that causes me to subscribe to them. Mostly, though, I'm not subscribed for a reason. The point is that all these people talking about the FriendFeed Community are basically talking out the side of their necks.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Seems like I have missed something. I was out of commission in bed for almost three days and come back to a few posts like this. Can someone fill me in?
- Amani
It's like when people complain it's "Scoblefeed". You know what? I rarely see posts of his in my feed. What I see is not what you see. I don't get what it's so hard to understand about that? Even with my husband, he'll ask me if I saw something and I say, "Nope. I've blocked that person or I hide their [insert service] posts." He's finally getting that we won't see the same content.
- Admiral Anika
I browse and have my attention grabbed by both commenters' names and topics / post titles that grab me.
- Patrick Jordan
Scoble is the biggest variable just because it's the easiest to see. He brought a huge number of people here, but in my view, he is just not a huge influence on FriendFeed. His posts get 100's and 1000's of comments, but I don't know those people and don't even comment on most of his threads because it's like throwing a penny in a well. Don't get me wrong, Scoble is cool an all, but he is absolutely NOT the center of my FriendFeed universe.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I agree with Rahsheen, and from what I've seen in the short time I've been here, Scoble isn't trying to be the center of anyones FF universe.
- Glenn Trtanj
Yeah, let me say that I can't recall R. Scoble claiming to be the king of FriendFeed or anything, it's just his followers that skew the FF experience around him. It's kinda gross and it's not really his fault. Both Scobles add value to my FF :)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Rahsheen: you are the center of my universe.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble has his own Reality Distortion Field™ ? Cool.
- Glenn Trtanj
LOL @Robert
- Admiral Anika
from fftogo
I don't get why folks (whoever they are) claim that Robert S. is trying to be the center of anything. He seems unusually and good-naturedly engaged to me (and generous, too). For my feed he fits right in. And to your original point, Rah: yeah. :)
- Ayşe E.
You know what would be cool, to drop into other's feeds and see what they see- instead of just what Rahsheen has posted, what his friends + Rahsheen has posted, similar to Twitter's user + friends page.
- anna sauce
I just try to read more people's stuff and push along the best ideas. You can see how I do that at http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
Anna: you can do just that here but I forget the URL.
- Robert Scoble
I think if you search for "friends:<username>" it gives you that user's view of FF...just a guess, though
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I love how truly dynamic FriendFeed is. I can have things I'm interested in appear on my feed while others might only see a story if I "like" or comment on it. I figure that it is up to those we trust/subscribe to to help filter the web for all of us.
- Miss Elle
nope, you don't have to search to see what other people see. Just go to their feed and add /friends. So if I want to see what Rah sees I just go to http://friendfeed.com/rahshee.... But that is assuming that he keeps all his friends in one place, like in the home feed. If not, I'll never see what he sees.
- Laura Norvig
Wow. I do keep everyone in one place, but it seems most people don't. Thanks Laura! :)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
your welcome - it's one of those things that became impossible to navigate to with the new design but is still there. We can all see what scoble sees too ... if we dare ... http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Laura Norvig
CouponCasino?
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Hey thanks everyone. I had a feeling it was possible, just didn't know how it worked.
- anna sauce
I just spent a few minutes watching scobleizer's live feed. I can't pick anything out of the river as it flies by. I believe he's said he keeps people sorted into lists: two relatively large lists, and one list of about 200. I'm also going to guess he aggressively hides items he's not interested in. Those strategies are absolutely essential when following so many people.
- DGentry
But there is always the 'Q'-button that'll stop the time. Even in Scoble's feed. :-)
- Ton Zijp
I usually do see a lot of Scoble in my feed, but it ain't Robert, and I also see more Rahsheen in my feed than Robert too.
- April Russo (app103)
I've had a rather unique experience on FF in that whenever I want to make generalizations (especially in the beginning) Josh was able to set me right. Now that I've been on here a while, I can see similar reactions to things and I think the only solution is to stay. And ride it out. Tweak your feed until you have a hard time stepping away from it. I have come a long way and I can only assume that there is yet more to come. I'm really enjoying the people I've met here.
- Trish Haley
Yep, it's the generalizing that is the issue. Just look at that recent TechCrunch post about FF being like syphilis. Such sweeping generalizations were made there.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Great post Rah...
- Johnny Worthington
I'm here, let the discussion begin.
- Geoff Schultz
Such complaints are extremely similar to those leveled against Twitter, because in both cases the user experience depends entirely on who an individual chooses to follow or subscribe to.
- Mike Chelen
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