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I think I'm in love. The Olympus EP-1 is almost erotically beautiful. I can't stop handling it. Can't wait to get the 50/1.4 on it. Too bad nothing reads the raw files yet.
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time to sell the 5D on ebay....
- John Hillestad
Why does each new camera need a new RAW format requiring a 'driver update' ?
- Don Strickland
Geez. Kind of a problem if nothing reads RAW. Can't imagine shooting any other way.
- Karoli
No bundled app that can handle the RAW files? So you can at least have them for storage and go from there until ACR, etc. handle Olympus' RAW format...
- Holger Eilhard
It is a very good-looking camera.
- John (bird whisperer)
Here's the thread in the LR forums about EP-1 support: http://forums.adobe.com/message...
- Holger Eilhard
The bundled app handles the ORF files, of course, but I really need Lightroom.
- Leo Laporte
I understand that, using LR myself! :-) I'm just suggesting that you could still shoot RAW and let the bundled app take care of the conversion to JPEG until Adobe/Apple are ready. Then you still have the RAW files to play with, not just JPEGs that came from the camera.
- Holger Eilhard
Okay but can I have the Canon 5D Mark II then :-)
- Richard Bitting
Exactly what I'm doing - and shooting RAW+JPEG. Still an awesome camera. (Keeping the 5D though!)
- Leo Laporte
Hope other manufacturers get a clue that we little rangefinder like cameras with interchangeable lenses.
- Jon Winters
I won't give up my Nikon any time soon but that surely is a beautiful- and traditional-looking camera.
- Akiva
I want this camera sooo bad. How are the HD videos on it?
- Sullivan
The 720p video is excellent. You can see an example at http://leolaporte.smugmug.com/gallery...
- Leo Laporte
Sorry, Leo. Yes, it looks very cool, but I am not aroused by looking at a camera.
- Fleagle
Incidentally - NO rangefinder. You have to use the LCD. One real negative.
- Leo Laporte
Fleagle - you have to hold it to be aroused.
- Leo Laporte
Here is the direct link to Leo's video http://leolaporte.smugmug.com/gallery...
- BRҰANSAҰS
Leo: thats a cute Papillon BTW.
- BRҰANSAҰS
Papillon's are such great little dogs. We have 2.
- Sullivan
I'll shoot some more dynamic video later. Saves as a Motion JPEG AVI file.
- Leo Laporte
How long can the videos be?
- Sullivan
2GB (that's an AVI limitation) so HD: 7min, SD: 14min
- Leo Laporte
Ouch thats short!
- BRҰANSAҰS
Hmmm... Guess you can do multi shots with a large card and put them together. I think most videos I've done were made up of clips shorter than that.
- Sullivan
Leo, there is an accessory VIEWfinder that attaches to the hotshoe. Not the same as a rangefinder but I wouldn't trade the EP-1's physical size for the optics necessary for a rangefinder. Very lustworthy bit of kit!
- Antonio Yon
It's definitely pretty sweet hardware. Rumor going around that 2nd version will be out end of year with a VF. Seems rather quick to me but possibly something to wait for. The current VF that attaches to the hotshoe is only accurate with their 17mm f/2.8 lens btw.
- ronin
I may pull the trigger on an EP-1, but I am hearing horror stories about the slow auto focus. Are you finding this a problem? Should I wait till version 2?
- Sullivan
Is this the one Dvorak sings about?
- Michael Foey
The specs for the E-P2 are out. What do you think? Are the improvements worth the extra $300? Luckily, the announcement came out the day was going to purchase the E-P1. Close call.
- Robert Eden
The E-P2 at least has a viewfinder - I think that alone would make it much superior.
- Brian Sullivan
I want to use one next to a Panasonic GF1 to see which I like better.
- Sullivan
Curious if Leo thinks the upgrade to the E-P2 is worth the extra cash!
- Robert Eden
For The Ladies: This Ridiculous-Ass Shoe - http://damiano.posterous.com/for-the...
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The End of Driving: Mike and Maaike introduce the Autonomobile - http://www.core77.com/blog...
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"Research revealed that self-driving cars, once a fantasy requiring an entirely new infrastructure, are now technologically possible, even inevitable. Savvy robotics are here and real. Advances in GPS, sophisticated sensors, and navigation databases will allow driverless vehicles to operate on the same roads we have today."
- Brad Williamson
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- Brad Williamson
OMG! This is so ingenious! (Sorry, if I'm over-excited, but this is really cool.)
- Kimber Scott
Is that a bathtub in the car? o.o
- Soup in a TARDIS
This makes me think about a futuristic place like that portrayed in "The Prisoner" back in the late 60's. (Though I don't think they had any self-driving cars... just self-guided "capture" balloons!)
- Mark J
The cars in Demolition Man were self-driving. I loved that movie.
- Kimber Scott
from email
years ago i am telling that tramways or railway are obsolete since the futur in town is the automatic electric car. no doubt on it. let's build it !
- Baptiste Cadiou
This makes me sad. I love driving.
- Leslie Poston
Leslie: My future self's first order of business will be to set up a free-range driving park for antique enthusiasts such as yourself.
- aldenoneil
lol
- Leslie Poston
of course then I read THIS kind of story and can fully see the value in this technology: http://www.nytimes.com/2009... Yipe.
- Leslie Poston
in the future it will be so cool that we will all move around in a matrix pod autonomously. heh
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
It's crazy to think that, if this idea is made into a reality, people will be getting hammered in vehicles. That's just wild.
- Brad Williamson
Cool! These look like mini RV's
- stockmanmarc
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Who needs GMail to work if you can send your contacts in FriendFeed messages and share files as attachments?
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I was just on the phone with one diehard GMail user, and we decided this was the best work-around.
- Louis Gray
DM + Attachment. Done.
- Louis Gray
+1
- Sofia @ SoMaFusion
Gmail isn't daed at all :) it is the first time, not like the praised twitter that crash every month.
- abdellah
Yeah, no need to get in touch with the outer world I guess…
- alieb
The outer world should be here. :)
- Louis Gray
@Louis, what are you doing to find your task list? Found a way to access that yet?
- Victoria Plautia
I will admit that I instantly jumped over to friendfeed once gmail went down.
- Phil Thornton
I dislike using FB :)
- abdellah
Victoria, I don't keep my task list in GMail.
- Louis Gray
If Gmail is down for you, try adding the Gmail gadget for iGoogle. You should be able to access your email: http://bit.ly/xkghJ
- Adam Helweh
I can still send and receive mail via Thunderbird.
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
Victoria do you have your task list online? I envy you I am a pen and paper gal (I know I know I live in the stone age)
- Sofia @ SoMaFusion
I get gmail notification through GTalk but can't open the email.
- Santhana Krishnasamy
Thanks for the reminder. Just made my day!
- Peter van Teeseling
So its just the web interface thats down?
- BRҰANSAҰS
Yea but I want to check on my latest mail at least before starting to use workarounds!
- Manuel Mas
I do use the GMail task list exclusively, Sofia. I don't do paper very well, so an online list has saved me several times. Louis - what are you using if you don't use G Tasks?
- Victoria Plautia
Ya I couldn't get gmail to work through igoogle but gtalk seems to work.
- BRҰANSAҰS
Hmmm G Tasks suck I think.
- Manuel Mas
I've got Lightning and Provider for Google Calendar installed in Thunderbird, I hardly use the web interface.
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
Manuel, it's easy for me, since it's right in my inbox... I don't really need anything too powerful for what I need to keep track of. Definitely parts of it do suck, tho :-). It's not very maniputable.
- Victoria Plautia
Yea it needs more options such as time setting for tasks.
- Manuel Mas
Agreed. I also switched to Friendfeed when Gmail went down. For tasks, I prefer RTM (also accessible through Gmail [when it's up] as a custom gadget).
- Rebeca
I want send my friend a movie, of course FF does not allow such kind attachment.
- 我是真砂！
you can also get your tasks in Google Calendar... just click the "Tasks" link on the left
- Trevor
uhm, me! I need it. My entire work life is stored in our corporate gmail. but, i did take the opportunity to redesign something that's been bugging me. :)
- Jenna Bilotta
Jenna, shouldn't y'all be using something like Wave to give you a bit more collaboration power?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
old habits are hard to break.
- Jenna Bilotta
but how do I respond to them in Gmail?
- Jesse Stay
Not everyone has FriendFeed? And like Gmails grouping and power search. Well, I like FriendFeeds transparency. Oh gosh, I'm just glad they aren't mutually exclusive. To me they serve a different purpose.
- James Kuypers
Does anyone use a web based e-mail? I access my gmail on my desktop in Windows Live Mail, it comes to me, I don't go 'up there' to fetch it....
- Technogran
Why would anyone tie themselves to just one email client or to a single service provider?
- Bernie Goldbach
Yahooligans?
- (Garin Kilpatrick)
Yahoo! News was sure, um dismissive, of G's problems yesterday. Ha! Who ya callin a hooligan?
- Gary Walter (gwalter)
Maybe the reason why Twitter succeeds is because people don't really want to have conversations. They just want to be able to scream out into the void and listen for echoes.
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Is Twitter succeeding?
- Brian Sullivan
I guess I really mean that it continues to attract users.
- Victor Ganata
Heh.
- Robert Scoble
"Twitter succeeds is because people don't really" .... have anything to say LOL "They just want to be able to scream out into the void and listen for echoes."
- Lora Lufark
But doesn't FF and Twitter have different purposes. FF for posting something and having a meaningful or somewhat meaningful conversation. Twitter post something that you want to push out to others and not really have a conversation. Different purposes, different apps. Can't we all just get along. :-)
- David Fowler
Heh, David. But that's the thing. I actually think trying to make conversations easier on Twitter is counter productive. Two-way conversation is not the purpose most of its users actually use it for.
- Victor Ganata
Victor, I agree, I think a lot to tweets are designed to drive traffic to websites and not just mindless chatter. Which to me is a great use of Twitter. It is very easy to miss portions of a conversation on Twitter. But not here.
- David Fowler
Just uploaded Facebook for iPhone 3.0 to the App Store for review. :)
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Congrats on getting the new Facebook app for iPhone done, looking forward to getting it.
- Robert Scoble
Ooh, looking forward to it! Hopefully it fixes a few of the issues I'd been having with the current one.
- Jandy
And if they decline it, just post it as an attachment here on FriendFeed. :)
- Louis Gray
Looking forward to trying it out!
- Paula W
looking forward to new the new facebook app.
- Fuad Arshad
I just wish there was a native client for Android.... That is what would make me very happy... but, Congrats, on getting the latest update out the door...
- Robert
Mac Tablet will run a modified/extended version of the iPhone OS according to a developer working with Apple told me yesterday. #apple
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Super..... that means , wait for it: APP STORE!!!!!!
- Roberto Bonini
that's what i was hoping for. Apple Tablet + modified iPhone OS + kindle app = no more kindle / windows tablet
- John Fogarty
from twhirl
Every time I've convinced myself I have no need for a tablet (between an iPhone and a MacBook Pro, I have it all covered), I still find myself pretty much accepting the fact that I'll be standing in line for one.
- Akiva
The same for me Akiva
- Alfonso Pace
from iPhone
at what point does an extended iPhone OS (a derivative of OS/X based on Darwin) become OS/X?
- Jim McCusker
Won't stop me from getting one... but I really want the ability to run full OSX applications on it.
- Jeff Smith
"at what point does an extended iPhone OS (a derivative of OS/X based on Darwin) become OS/X?" when you add about a grand to the price tag
- jackygreen
Is there any connection between Twitter being down & Facebook being super buggy this morning? What do you think? Discuss:
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OMG, I can't even stay connected to Facebook at all. Been trying to chat with a friend (using Adium) and connect...disconnect...connect...etc.
- Kenley Neufeld
I just reset my router twice thinking it was me.
- Kenley Neufeld
A feedback loop that keeps knocking both services down?
- Paul Jacobson
Helen :)
- Susan Beebe
This is teaching us something about the framework of the current Internet traffic patterns. We're watching cascade scale problems from one major Internet program going down.
- Melanie Reed
Mashable article: Twitter Down: Twitter Doesn’t Know Why ---> http://mashable.com/2009...
- Susan Beebe
Just checked with my FB peeps, and the weather over here is much better. Was very hard to get posting done over there.
- Brenda Young
This is the longest outage twitter's had in a LONG time... something is definitely wrong... ouch
- Susan Beebe
Yes, FB is receiving more traffic and twitter says its a DOS attack http://status.twitter.com/post...
- cheapsuits
interesting possibility: a massive DoS attack on all SNS properties at the same time! with no SNS people might go at each other tooth and nail. this would make a great Onion report!
- MikeAmundsen
I'm with Helen on this one - after Scoble's Great Unfollow, Twitter's database is so full of holes they're having to do a massive reorg...
- Andrew Terry
Twitter Status: "Update: we are defending against a denial-of-service attack." http://status.twitter.com/post... -- 11:00 am EST
- Susan Beebe
(can something be *full* of holes or is that oxymoron?)
- Andrew Terry
Andrew -LOL
- Susan Beebe
Posterous seems to be down, too, for what it's worth.
- Eric Johnson
Posterous is working for me (for now)
- Susan Beebe
You can read "panic tweets" from Twitterers about Twitter being down: http://bit.ly/lA7HK
- Gus
@ Andrew - there's a model in Chaos Theory where you take a cube, hollow a hole in the exact centre of each side, then keep repeating the process - end result? A finite cube containing an infinite number of holes :)
- Iain Baker
Susan - Posterous is back for me, too. And was a 500 server error, so probably not DoS related.
- Eric Johnson
So I guess we ought to help the folks at Twitter out and shut down our Twitter clients? I expect that zillions of API calls aren't helping their situation right now...
- Eric Johnson
Facebook, LiveJournal, and Twitter all down, to much of a coincidence to be a coincidence? API calls all the way
- courtney benson
Wondering now if that suggestions a massive DDoS attack launched against a bunch of sites, or possibly also infrastructure issues as well?
- Susan Beebe
@Iain - Really? That's so cool!
- Andrew Terry
Some post mentioned a major core router being down in GA, not sure how reliable that is.
- Jack Wilson, K4SAC
TWITTER suffering a dDOS attack official at 11am EDT
- OLDBEACHBUM
Jack - Thank you, something big is brewing here...not looking good
- Susan Beebe
Ooooh - let's blame North Korea! (or are we not allowed to since they let the reporters go yesterday?)
- amygeek
I'm assuming this will take CNN a few days to report.
- Derek Huether, PMP, CSM
Derek - hahaha good one!
- Susan Beebe
my FF has crashed every time I've tried to subscibe
- WarLord
It does feel like everything's either under treacle or attack. I'm hoping it's treacle.
- Dan Biddle
@biz ---> Thursday, August 06, 2009 Denial of Service Attack On this otherwise happy Thursday morning, Twitter is the target of a denial of service attack. Attacks such as this are malicious efforts orchestrated to disrupt and make unavailable services such as online banks, credit card payment gateways, and in this case, Twitter for intended customers or users. We are defending against...
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- Susan Beebe
Thought that was just my slow Australian connection - or the huge full moon in the sky tonight o)
- Chris Loft
Of course there is, the two sites are highly interconnected and trouble with one will cause problems with any service which continues to access twitter to update their users profiles
- Lillian Banchik
Ohhh... I don't recall Twitter being down for such a long period of time, although I must say I've seen a sudden rise of spam lately.
- Bruno Mertins
God, just figured out that we would all have to go back to talking to one another in person or on the phone if this continues.
- courtney benson
cnet article, "There has been no indication that any of these various attacks are connected. But it's probably not a coincidence that they all coincide with the annual Defcon hacker convention." (Twitter crippled by denial-of-service attack) -- http://news.cnet.com/8301-13...
- Susan Beebe
Baffled I've been trying to post this to you at Twitter -- I knew a hooter / thought - did she have a suitor / or was I too late? /// #haiku #haikuchallenge
- Chris Loft
I wonder how much impact (think overhead) those stupid Spam Bots cause for twitter? 24% of all twitter traffic is due to spam bots - augh!
- Susan Beebe
Courtney - LOL ... that is too funny!
- Susan Beebe
They're probably both the government. Real talk.
- professor daddyo
military is testing inet/SNS preparedness/vulns.
- MikeAmundsen
They're being hit by a DOS attack, http://status.twitter.com/post...
- Rob Fahrni
CNN finally picked up the story. Slooooooow
- Derek Huether, PMP, CSM
About 8-12 hrs ago, Facebook kept giving me "Database Write Failed" errors: "An error occurred while writing to our database. Please try again later or contact customer support."
- Mitchell Tsai
Yep, I've been getting all kinds of Facebook "transport errors" while attempting to wall post, comment, etc.
- Susan Beebe
Derek - that was slow, but CNN is getting better! LOL
- Susan Beebe
Twitter Status Blog - 2nd Update: "Ongoing denial-of-service attack -- We are defending against a denial-of-service attack, and will update status again shortly. Update: the site is back up, but we are continuing to defend against and recover from this attack."
- Susan Beebe
my Blog post --> http://www.susanbeebe.com/social-...
- Susan Beebe
Coordinated attack by FriendFeed? ;)
- Jemm
No way! Remember Paul Buchheit, one of FriendFeed's founders, coined the term "Do No Evil" when he was at Google. The FF team is really cool, no bad dudes over there!
- Susan Beebe
YAY twitter is back up!!! :)
- Susan Beebe
@Susan: I know, just kidding by stating a thing which is way too absurd to be true;)
- Jemm
LOL
- Susan Beebe
FWIW, I always thought Google's catchphrase "do no evil" would have been better when qualifying a statement, like this: "Let the old lady finish crossing the street; don't be evil"
- Richard Walker
See GigaOm's VISUAL on the Twitter outage (web traffic data provided by AlertSite.com) -- http://gigaom.com/2009...
- Susan Beebe
Twitter Status Blog UPDATE [12:46pm EST] : "Update (9:46a): As we recover, users will experience some longer load times and slowness. This includes timeouts to API clients. We’re working to get back to 100% as quickly as we can."
- Susan Beebe
Update: Now FACEBOOK admits they too were subjected to DDoS attack today too!! --> RT @AdamOstrow: Facebook Problems Also the Result of DDoS Attack - http://mashable.com/2009... (via http://ff.im/6fTyC)
- Susan Beebe
Here's a Facebook "Database Write Error" I saw repeatedly last night ~1-3 am ET, before the DDoS attacks this morning. http://ff.im/6fUfO I'm not sure if there weren't precursors to the main DDoS attacks at 6 am today, but Facebook was having weird issues a few hours earlier.
- Mitchell Tsai
Facebook kept giving me the ol' "transport error" messages - tons of 'em too!
- Susan Beebe
Funny. I could not log into Twitter, Tweetdeck or Facebook for over an hour. Then I had this sudden horror that an aweful event, such as a terrorist attack, would flood both sites with traffic and cause this. I went to CNN- there was the story of Twitters DDoS Attack.
- E-Advocate Network
Pretty scary stuff, huh? I wonder who would be behind all this. Hope they catch 'em and lock 'em up!
- Susan Beebe
Susan, I also got lots of AJAX transport errors & long delays at Facebook, but those happena ll the time. This was the first time I've seen the "database write error".
- Mitchell Tsai
I blame North Korea
- Jim Goldstein
from iPhone
To deal with future network problems, we need an emergency backup mechanism to access twitter: carrier pigeons. http://crankypm.com/2009...
- DGentry
Hope they catch them too Susan. I sure was releived to find it was a cyber attack causing the flood instead of people reporting on a real life attack though! I do worry about real time events right now that are lagging coverage due to this: #iranelection.
- E-Advocate Network
Yay!! Google, facebook and twitter are investigating the DDoS attacks today! See Mashable's post about it here: http://mashable.com/2009...
- Susan Beebe
Seriously, even Friendfeend, via Buddyfeed client, was unavailable a few times. I'll venture a guess the DoS attack targetted a whole heap of social media at the one time.
- George Hall (Australia)
That bird pic at the top of the thread is intriguing. Is it public domain?
- George Hall (Australia)
Hardly use Facebook. When I update facebook it's when I do a mass update through Ping.fm, other than that I hardly use it.
- Patrick
Where did you get the dead bluebird icon? I love it.
- shelisrael1
I think this is a definite competitor for the Fail Whale!
- Justin Davey
Are they both routed through the same Bay Area server network? Just askin'. Maybe there's a rapid growth of Twitter-to-FB feeds that's screwing up everything? I also like the dead bluebird & upside down FB graphics!
- Cathryn Hrudicka
I had much trouble w/ FB this morning as well. It got better after the rain stopped. A day w/o SM is a day without sunshine.
- shelisrael1
AP reports that a pro-Abkhazia activist blogger, who uses the account name "Cyxymu," (the name of a town in the Republic of Georgia) is related to the attacks on SNS. Whether the pro-side (Georgia) or con-side (Russia) coordinated the attacks is unknown. "There's very little way of distinguishing which side was taking this action, because either side could hypothetically benefit from...
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- Mitchell Tsai
lots Blogger as well and Livejournal. It was a concentrated attack.
- Rob Cairns
Mitchell - wow, thank you for the awesome insights into the DDoS attack story. I truly appreciate the info and citations you kindly provided here. Good stuff, as always!!
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
Cathryn - I flipped the facebook logo upside down - glad you like it!
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
Thanks for the photo credit details, Susan.
- George Hall (Australia)
I think the dead twitter bird is cute!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
yes, I belive there is close connection.
- eva
Iran
- heretic_twit
wondering what the final verdict will be on the DDoS attack and how we can prevent them in the future .... hmmm
- Susan Beebe
Down but not own.................
- Kevin J Hatton
seems like whatever Google did mitigated the attack on their end, it'd be interesting to see what data google could provide to twitter and facebook on how to protect from ddos attacks in the future
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
from IM
Mike - agreed!! Google's insights would be really important for future hardening of systems to defend DDoS attacks
- Susan Beebe
Fri 8/7 UPDATE: @Twitter: "Due to defense measures some Twitter clients are unable to communicate with our API, and many users are unable to tweet via SMS."
- Susan Beebe
Fri 8/7 UPDATE: Twitter STATUS Blog: "Restoring API and SMS [12:42pm EST] Due to defensive measures we’ve taken against the ongoing denial-of-service attack, some Twitter clients are unable to communicate with our API, and many users are unable to tweet via SMS. We are working as quickly as possible to restore our full service. "
- Susan Beebe
Why do you use Facebook ? I mean it's a site for < 17 years old
- Thierry Lhôte
Ridiculous statement of the day: Jeff Pulver tells NYTimes that for AT&T Google Voice is a much bigger threat than Skype. Seriously?
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There are business threats all over the place. Not many people want to see Google mounting a challenge to their business model.
- David Damore
US Telecoms are a $150 Billion industry. Google is about to disrupt that.
- Charbax
Perhaps Google is to Skype as search is to content producers? Content producers create value but its Google that sits at the center of the web, clicking mandibles, and collecting rents from whomever steps onto a silken thread.
- Todd Hoff
Sure.... Also, someone said that google is going to disrupt a $150 billion telecom industry. Well that was disrupted with the IP networks. I think to think Google can do it all is childish. After today they will go on the defense with their search-and-advertising business. I refuse to believe (without proof) that they can do well in a competitive market place.
- Om Malik
from email
Wait, what fears don't you think Google will ever be able to overcome?
- Matt Cutts
Matt... I think we have argued about this before. :-) So at the sake of repeating myself, why should I believe that Google Voice (and Google Wave) going to take over the world. Just because Google says so? The real world success is yet to happen -- first signs of that are yet to happen. And when that happens we can have a nice conversation - over Fraiche with Scoble as referee.
- Om Malik
Ah.... I love FF for having a way to expand my last Twitter reply. The ridiculous depends on the temporal view. In the US market -a- CLEC for Google Voice is Level 3. Today. Now, imagine DID deprecation. *BOOM* Yes, that's right. All the weight that ENUM has never had could have with the flip of switch that AOL mouthed for years with limited take. Leverage applied to the millions of accounts as a "by the way" menu item is the kind of latent functionality we may see. The war of endpoints is yet to come.
- Jay Cuthrell
1. Google releases Android, the absolute best OS ever 2. Google sets up free wireless broadband using White Spaces (deployed cheaply worldwide using the FON model) 3. Android phones/Tablets and Chrome OS Laptops on White Spaces means the end of Telecoms and ISPs. All this can happen in the matter of a few months.
- Charbax
Charbax.... I think you would *like" it to happen :-) but that doesn't mean it would happen. As they say, in a matter of months I could star in a blockbuster movie. Except it isn't happening any time soon. :-D
- Om Malik
As for Google Wave, it changes the way we work, communicate, collaborate. Effectively replacing email, blogging, im, word processing, web browsing, feed reading, microblogging, even changes the way we search. Puts twitter and facebook instantly out of business.
- Charbax
4. The nice day at the telecom park picnic runs smack into Congressional, FCC, and FTC quagmire that makes up the US market's very own colony of ants. All circuits are busy. Please try your call again later.
- Jay Cuthrell
Telecoms are backwards and lack the ability to innovate. They have grown fat, not having to compete. Apple came in and created the App Store, something the walled garden telecoms could have done at any time. I don't have confidence in Google so much as I have no faith in telecom.
- Todd Hoff
Okay Om... no hits. http://www.imdb.com/find... What's your stage name?
- Jay Cuthrell
When they activate overlay advertising for anyone who wants it on their uploads to Youtube (not just a few beta testers so-called "Partners"), they will be taking over Hollywood and the TV networks as well. The GigaOm show automatically becomes a blockbuster.
- Charbax
Om, I don't recall Google saying that Google Voice would take over the world. Since I've been using Voice, I've found 2-3 killer features for me. The ability to pick a great phone number. The ability to record a call easily (I've already used this a lot) and get an MP3 of the call. And the ability to mark calls as spam--then future calls from that number get an "out-of-service" tone....
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- Matt Cutts
Om - no worries... late for me as well. I just realized you are using email vs. the FF web interface. My context was the "star in a blockbuster movie" reference.
- Jay Cuthrell
Matt - Google Voice is collectively raising the bar of expectation for every other enhanced voice service out there. Many Google Voice features are associated with small nimble voice appliance companies as well as hosted IP centrex services. However, most are tied to silos of authentication or realms (enterprise). My view? VoIP is a race to zero commodity. Just as the charge for email market has seen rapid adjustment in value/price in the wake of Gmail, Google Voice will similarly impact voice markets.
- Jay Cuthrell
jay just to be clear, the email market was down to zero a long time ago. Google just changed the game from a storage stand point. I think you are right about Google Voice commoditizing voice minutes, but that has already happened. Nothing new there. I just think it is going to be much harder for Google to get traction than most think.
- Om Malik
from email
Sure -- the email storage play is prominent but... I'm less interested in SIP O/T as much as the feature sets exposed for free by Google Voice. It's that blend of features that have formed something of a last hope for appliance and centrex solution providers as a licensed key or allowance in a bundle. Google Voice sets that feature set on that same approaching zero path. Don't forget that Gmail blended spam and virus filtering, POP/IMAP, and other premium features in a free bundle -- much more impacting.
- Jay Cuthrell
As for traction -- total agreement. Highly overt and persistent appearance of Voice buttons on everything that is a web property would be a nice start down the path --- but it's a mobile handset world.
- Jay Cuthrell
Maybe it's because eBay somehow managed to not buy all of Skype: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
- Joel Webber
Pulver knows a thing or two about voice.
- Jim Peake
dchieng » Blog Archive » CrunchPad Specs Revealed - http://www.dchieng.com/crunchp...
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Holden, although I understand your spirit there... how does the extra $100 change your life? In my opinion, $200 is the same as $400 in the same way that $1700 is the same as $2100. Do you work five more hours at your job or 10 more? It's non-consequential. What makes the difference is does this become something you need, and will you pay for it?
- Louis Gray
Goes from a no-brainer at $200 to a "ehh... do I REALLY need it?" at $400.
- ronin
I like it--moving us closer to the world where paper is quaint, antique, a hobby. The problem with the price moving ever higher seems to be that it starts to enter the realm where one could just buy a little laptop. Why this and not that?
- Kathy Fitch
I agree with both points. $200 is the sweet spot although they'd probably hemorrhage losses for a while. But $400 isn't a terribly large chunk of change when it comes down to it. Think of the Kindle. That only does print material (and a small selection at that) primarily. This does web only. The web opens a lot more opportunities than a book reader.
- Zach Flauaus
$400 means it's competing with netbooks and low-cost notebooks - a crowded market if ever there was one.
- invariant
looking good. looking good
- Ritu
Surfs the web.
- ronin
the price doubling is quite a variation. :P
- Joe The Sausage
as previous post on this item "if i can casually throw this in a backpack WITHOUT the screen getting F.U.B.A.R., then me wants one very much! - You (edit | delete)....price not a factor if that is solved.
- shayne catrett
msi already has a tablet out in akihabara japan, i looked at it today it is slightly smaller, but has a keyboard. same price
- Robert Higgins
I'll buy it!!!! *waves arms wildly* looks slick,,, drooools
- Susan Beebe
Looks nice, but I *knew* they were never going to hit their price points. Although I guess it's good to set really hard goals.
- mikepk
I love the "the rumored apple tablet will kill it" stuff. Does anyone remember how long Apple's been rumored to be about to release a slate/tablet/umpc/netbook/tablet PC?
- Joel Bennett
I would like one, but US$400 is NZ$700, so if Apple tablet comes in at rumoured US$800, then NZ$1400 is way out of most peoples league - hate it.
- Geer
I'm a bit surprised of no Bluetooth in the specs. The lack of BT for keyboard and A2PD plus the price hike really has limited my lust for this device.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
SGD575. Hmm.. Now that I have the iPhone, I wonder if I really need this? Hmm..
- Winston Teo
$400 USD is to top of the price point that I believe most people will be willing to pay for a device that will be used to surf the web while watching TV. As any new product, including the yet to be announce Apple iTablet, the price will go down after the initial release and the TechCrunch gets some of its R&D back. I wouldn't be shocked to see the price drop to $350 after 3 or 4 months.
- Casey Russell
1 USB port? Really? One USB port…
- Remo
ronin said it best (3rd comment) "Goes from a no-brainer at $200 to a "ehh... do I REALLY need it?" at $400"
- Chris Heath
Remo, to be fair, the crunchpad is designed to be held. Having USB cords in the way really hampers the way the design is intended to be used. I experienced this experience with the Raon Everrun.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Boy, that looks a lot like an Etch a Sketch!
- Scott Hanley
@burtonator no,I'm not a scientologist.Couple of my good friends are. I'm an athiest+believe most religion has done more harm than good.
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I'm a prophet for the same reason.
- Rosemary Gongora
I am the second coming of Jesus.
- Mark
Amen
- Steve Mott
In my experience Archbishop Nichols is dead wrong that "social networking websites" undermine community http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol...
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The archbishop is totally wrong. But I have never met him at any of the hundreds of meetings I have been at.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
The Archbishops are nearly always out of date and threatened by new technology.
- Sally Church
Well, considering the 'community' use to be heavily structured around a church, this has little to do with social networks and more about people seeking connection outside a institution that they no longer feel is super-relevant. I guess you can't pass the collection plate around on Facebook :)
- Johnny
Like Robert, I think the Archbishop is dead wrong. The internet is extending our community and helping us extend our connections to friends and friends-to-be through time and space. That an Archbishop is decrying social networking probably guarantees that social networking is here to stay. I bet that Archbishops were warning against the harm the printing press would wreak on learning, too, back in the day.
- Jason Miller
Perhaps the point is not coming out very well: the type of community life he is referring to is not what we see today. A key word is "transient". Face to face, small community, porch society, church-bound communities of times past made it harder to "delete" someone off your "friend" list in the time it takes today to click your mouse. A lot of factors are involved here and the space...
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- Melanie Reed
It will be very easy to test the validity of what he is saying: watch what happens to the quality and concept of loyalty in the years ahead. Will it wane? will it become obsolete? He's saying he sees that now. What happens in a society when loyalty is no more?
- Melanie Reed
It's funny, friends of mine I met via Twitter in San Antonio go to @ImagineChurch which incorporates Twitter and other online means to connect people. That's just one example of online community blending into Real Life connections- I can say without a doubt I've connected with my community more via online means than any other.
- Robert J Taylor
from iPhone
Melanie, I think I understand what you're trying to say: the Archibishop's position is more nuanced. However, social networking technology is giving us a social mobility that's not much different from that given us by cars. But it's better because it helps keep us connected to our communities, so long as those communities are online.
- Jason Miller
Jason, yes, you got it. His position is nuanced on the foundational. I am particularly interested as I am a "constant" if you will in scientific terms. ;) You see, most of my relationships by necessity and through circumstance (not of my choice) have been online since I am mainly home bound. I was not always home bound. I have been able to make some rather interesting observations about how people act in regard to what they consider "friendship" when you are not mobile.
- Melanie Reed
What the archbishop is also implying is that we are missing our chances for (propinquity) and are sensing the loss of affection attendant to that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... in our social media world. That "lonely in a crowd" feeling almost everyone has experienced at some point in their lives, if not more often than they would like even now.
- Melanie Reed
Good point, Melanie, I've experienced being "lonely in the crowd" before - usually at formal liturgical worship services. I've made real connections with people online since mid-80s with BBSes and CompuServ. Today's so-called Social Media is just the latest permutation.
- Robert J Taylor
from iPhone
@rackcloud @scobleizer I signed up for a Rackspace Cloud Site Friday and my experience with customer service was anything but 'fanatical' It's was horrible. It's one thing not to know the answer to a specific problem, but to not even care really left me bummed. I'm not complaining just to complain. I owned a furniture store 4 years & know its tough
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totally unacceptable. sorry to hear you had this type of experience. there is no excuse. please email me: lmoorman@rackspace.com. would like to engage on this to make it right.
- lew
Thanks Lew, I will. Jeff Pierce already emailed me and I emailed him back, I'll email you too though.
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: I am so sorry. By the way Lew is our president. The fact that he got here faster than me is why I LOVE working here.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
You always get a few bad customer service reps, I imagine even Zappo's has a very very tiny minority.
- Mark
Well, this was 6 different tech reps in one day, which in and of itself is frustrating re telling your info and problem over again that many times. Robert, I do give kudos to that, and three other managers have twittered and email me.
- Stephen Pickering
3 Quick and Dirty Business Hacks http://gigaom.com/2009... from @gigaom
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Seriously, What is Going on with the App Store? - RWW - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
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Conversation between Apple and developer: "Me: "Is there something we can change or alter in order to regain compliance and get back in the Store?" Richard: "I can't say." Me: "Well if we can't figure out the issue then how will we know whether to resubmit the app. And how will we know whether to invest in any other development efforts? Future apps could be impacted." Richard: "I can't help you with that""
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
I think the world is starting to see why Google was/is so focused on neutrality of the mobile industry. Open devices and open apps are crucial to innovation.
- Christopher Sacca
@Chistopher your line is a concentrate of genius.
- abdellah
Have them make some apps for the Pre...please? :)
- JA Castillo
Yes the Mojo SDK is out. You can download it from https://pdnet.palm.com/wps... come out to http://predevcamp.org/ next weekend to learn how to build apps for the pre. We have palm developers at the one in San fran.
- Luke Kilpatrick
@arrington quit using the iPhone, read why http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
Who's next?
- Scott Magdalein
from iPhone
All the more reason to start studying HTML5. Web apps is where it's at.
- Scott Magdalein
Google Voice is an interesting reason, but not enough to really make a dent. I mean most people still have home phone numbers instead of just using their mobile. In a year or so this might be a good reason, but right now it won't have any significant effect besides more negative sentiment for AT&T.
- Tony
from iPhone
True, in itself, it's not a big deal. I think the precedent that Apple is setting is the deal-breaker...maybe for me, too. It was tolerable when they rejected the tethering app. It was palatable when they rejected various browsers. But rejecting Google Voice when other VOIP apps are still around is a clear dictatorship. If Apple/AT&T don't like you, you're out. And the users lose.
- Scott Magdalein
CrunchPad or Apple Tablet? Why I’m Leaning CrunchPad… - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
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We don't even now what the tablet is yet - it's just rumors right now.
- Steve Rubel
Correct. Which is what I said in the post. Knowing what we know now, there are many questions for both. Just thinking out loud.
- Louis Gray
Something tells me the folks from Twitter will choose the Apple Tablet over the Crunchpad.
- Jose Alvear
And from what I have read- the rumored tablet was an afterthought mention in a larger article about how Apple is cozying up with record companies. So it is even less of a rumor than normal.
- Alyx
Both! :)
- John Fogarty
from twhirl
Archos 9 Tablet will be better than apple for sure at $499 http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Charbax
I'm debating the same thing, but not Crunchpad vs. Apple Tablet, but Mountain Dew Cough Drop vs. Charbroil Laptop.
- Eric Rice
Tech Introvert, the iPhone absolutely changed how I get Internet on the go. A tablet, from anyone, won't fit in the pocket, and neither makes phone calls. In terms of duplication, the tablet would replace the laptop more frequently than the iPhone, I believe - unless it were 3G only and didn't have WiFi. (we'll find out!)
- Louis Gray
If it has wi-fi (CrunchPad)--I'll get one to hang on the wall in most of the rooms of my house.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
I think I'll hold off until there's anything more than vague prototypes or vaporware for either one.
- Trent Hamm
Trent, I too will hold off from buying either until we have more info. :)
- Louis Gray
I'd rather take a DeLorean than a phone booth as my time machine ;)
- Rodfather
I would get irritated if I scratched a CrunchPad, but I would definitely be upset if I did it to a more expensive device like the Apple Tablet. I always thought a Cloud computer should be inexpensive; making it disposable. The only thing wrong with the Apple Tablet is the price. This is a wait and see situation anyway!
- Michael Fidler
i would really like a proper, if a little expensive smaller MB, i'd get that. chuck a iphone based OS on it, im sure they could make a ten inch version...
- Terry O'Fee
I saw Steven Hodson's piece before I saw this one, and hadn't even considered the potential fragility of a large Apple device. I know nothing of the CrunchPad, but wonder if "web only" will be enough of a game-changer.
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
I am seriously thinking of bringing the crunchpad in as a student tool, it just makes sense since everything they need is going to be online anyways. At 300 I can deck out a student with everything they need at the school, apple tablet (depending) distant second, But got approval to purchase 20 crunchpads when they come out for beta testing. Couldn't want this puppy more.
- Dan owns Comicsforge.com
The tipping point: iPhone users turn against AT&T | Wireless News - Betanews - http://www.betanews.com/article...
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"The iPhone crowd has turned into an anti-AT&T mob. Spend 30 seconds on Twitter or perform even the most basic search for iPhone and AT&T information and you're sure to run into some serious rancor from disgusted iPhone users across the country. While the exclusive partnership between Cupertino and the Dallas teleco has never been perfect, user hostility has lately been at a fevered pitch. In February of this year, prominent blogger Om Malik announced he was "breaking up" with his iPhone. "I love my iPhone -- but AT&T's network has failed me. Apparently I'm not alone. If you follow me on Twitter, then you know how often I complain about it; my complaints always result in me receiving similar messages of frustration from other iPhone users. A status update on my Facebook page on the topic unleashed a flood of messages from people expressing abhorrence of AT&T's service.""
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
How is it that there are places in San Francisco where I can literally get no iternet service on my iPhone from AT&T? No 3G, No Edge, No nothing. Or why is it that when driving over the Bay Bridge my wife's 3G phone shows a 3G signal but my newer fancier 3GS phone defaults to Edge in the exact same vehicle? AT&T's service sucks. Having to reboot your phone just to get it to try and get a better signal is frustrating as hell as much as I love my iPhone.
- Thomas Hawk
Because as I've said several times before, AT&T doesn't have the infrastructure in place in most areas. They are still working on upgrading their own and Cingular's old infrastructure. Last year when talking to AT&T engineers, most of them said that they use T-Mobile or Sprint at their main phone. One client tends to switch to whatever carrier he's working for at the time. He's been a contractor for AT&T for a year and is very disappointed. He has no coverage within 30 miles of his house.
- Anika
One of the biggest WTF moments in telecom was when Apple announced the partnership with AT&T. It wasn't just that the infrastructure wasn't there, it was who won the contract nationwide. Trade magazines predicted users would be upset within the first year because of this, while touting the phone at the same time. Even at the beginning of this year, RCR (now defunct) had articles urging...
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- Anika
But, I will say that I'm kind of shocked that service in the Bay Area is lacking. One person I tried to get work from a couple of years ago said they were doing a huge build-out up there and that SF would be the first major city with full AT&T 3G service.
- Anika
I lose all AT&T service at my office at least twice a day. That's the main reason I'm not upgrading my first generation iPhone right now. I'm holding out as long as I can in the hope that Apple will open up the phone to other providers.
- vicster
If Verizon can get the iPhone under their roof, I'll switch back over in a second.
- Justin Korn
I haven't had any trouble with my ATT service since switching, but once my contract is up, I very well may go back to T-Mobile. I didn't have any problems with them, and their plans were cheaper, with better customer service.
- Jennifer Dittrich
Verizon will never get the iPhone until Apple decides to change the chip in the phones. Verizon's network runs on the CDMA system rather than the GSM system that AT&T is currently using. So for all of you out there hoping and praying for Verizon to get the iPhone, you might as well wake up from the dream, because I don't see apple changing the chips any time soon or Verizon going to the...
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- Wizetux
Changing the chip in the phone would not be a big deal in my opinion. Many phones on the verizon network are world phones. Which means they will run on GSM or CDMA why could apple not adopt such a chip and then just make one phone for everyone.
- Zach Scott
I just wonder if AT&T could do anything to improve reception in SF. Why doesn't Apple exert more pressure on AT&T to create a better experience for their customers? It's particularly bad along the waterfront.
- Thomas Hawk
@Zach: many of those phones have dual band chips in them. It has been told that it would only cost Apple an extra 5 cents per phone to have a dual band chip put into the phones, but that would also require Apple to change the production method that they have add in place for the last 3 years. And if I had to guess, it is part of the AT&T / Apple agreement that the phones would not be...
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- Wizetux
@Thomas: it would probably mean that AT&T would have to put in more towers in the SF area. But if I had to guess, no one want's those towers in their backyard or they would take away from the beauty of the waterfront area so the city won't allow them to put them in.
- Wizetux
More towers sound good to me. I love photographing Towers. The Sutro Tower is one of my favorite things to shoot in SF.
- Thomas Hawk
You have to keep in mind that it's also a long process that includes approval form the the landlord & city. A long process from finding a city to actually building it. We work on a small part of that process and sites are often finally built 6 - 12 mos. *after* we've done our part. One AT&T site (upgrading Cingular stuff) we worked on at the beginning of April first started in July '06. we just got it back because the structure changed. If it's upgraded by the end of the year, it will be a surprise.
- Anika
Yes, AT&T is in trouble, even though Apple just reported that iPhone sales were up 600+% in Q3 2009. Clearly, the iPhone mob—made up of a small subset of Twitter's estimated tiny userbase of 10-15 million users—has taken to the streets with pithforks and fires.
- David Chartier
from iPhone
Ugh I'm so tired of hearing how much the AT&T network stinks when the only people I hear complaining is the SF metro area people. :P
- Nate Pilling
Nate it stinks in LA and NYC too.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Just seems like the big metro areas are echo chambers. :P I'm surprised AT&T doesn't have indestructable networks in place in those areas simply because of that fact.
- Nate Pilling
Nate, it does seem repetitive, but it just boggles my mind that I can be in San Francisco, a large tech heavy city and literally get no service. That really sucks. Maybe AT&T needs to think about blanket wifing small highly concentrated urban areas if they can't keep up with the usage and need to take some pressure off their 3G network in heavy use locations.
- Thomas Hawk
I guess it doesn't help that the tech podcasts I listen to are all out of the SF area. I agree, it is very strange, but there are a proportionally large number of iPhone users there, it makes sense. Still, it gets a little old. Plus I'm feeling really grumpy right now, so hey. ;)
- Nate Pilling
I've honestly never had any problems in Orlando. The case for my iPhone (incase power slider) seems to cause some reception issues because of the extra battery, but it's always been snappy, even on edge.
- Ryan Massie
It's sucks in Seattle too.
- wiredgnome
I love my iphone. There were a couple of things that we were disappointed with in the beginning such as downloading pictures I think from another phone or something and they said the app would not be available until August. We did get the 16G and at the time Wal-mart did not have them out on display because they said there were some things that were not ready but we wanted the 16g so it...
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- Tricia Edwards
Nate - In PA most of the time (all over). Stayed with Verizon and the so-called 'non-smart' (this cracks me up) LG Env Touch because AT&T doesn't come close to the coverage in the areas where I am. Not an iPhone but very cool and social apps built-in with a growing Verizon app store in the offing. AT&T was clearly not ready for this. LG makes a solid product in this space.
- Charlie Anzman
I've been whining about this for well over a year... (and Anika has been offering some great insight into what's really going on - lord knows, AT&T won't admit they have a problem or give any honest info). Here in coastal LA (Venice) I get 3G about 20% of the time; EDGE about 60%; GPRS about 20%. That'd be bad enough even without the crappy call quality/dropped calls, terrible...
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- Anthony Citrano
Maybe someone needs to map the "no service" areas... at least in the SF area... if there were an iPhone app, this could easily be done by all the users. Save the GPS data, then upload to the map when internet service is restored...
- Paula W
We had a lot of trouble in our old apartment fairly close in Chicago, but it was a solid brick building built around or before the turn of the 20th century. The building itself is practically a dead zone. In our new place in the Jefferson Park neighborhood, AT&T and 3G are stellar. Sometimes it's less about sheer network performance and more about the building materials you're buried under.
- David Chartier
I had HUGE problems with dropped calls in my suburban NJ location. I called AT&T weekly and finally got a callback from their networking department saying my problem was resolved. My bars went up and my number of dropped calls went down to almost none. In fact, I can even get calls in my basement which didn't happen at all before. My advice is to call often until you are satisfied. The squeaky wheel...
- sean808080
I wonder if there is an issue with the newer IPhones and the network. I rarely have an issue with my 1st generation IPhone. AT&T does need to do something to get people happy with our service again.
- ChiliMac
@ChiliMac Anika can probably answer that better, but it's not that complicated: AT&T simply does not have a national 3G network. They are far behind their competitors. Think of it in terms of supply vs. demand. Their core "supply" of 3G bandwidth is lower than probably any of their competitors (especially in big markets). Yet the demand is skyrocketing for several obvious reasons, not the least of which is market penetration of 3G devices such as the iPhone 3G and 3GS.
- Anthony Citrano
AT&T is pretty much the way to go in the middle of America. Verison is so-so and Sprint is about useless.
- Robert Hafer
from iPhone
@Zach, except that we have to pay thru the nose just to get a data plan at all. Ugh. We need another carrier (not just another rebadge like Koodo or a reseller like Virgin) up here to force Telus, Rogers and Bell to fight to the bottom.
- Matt M (inactive)
If AT&T was able to support half of the phone that they have on their network it would be different, but I drive 52 miles on the interstate one way every day... and I drop calls at least 4 times on the road... Maybe one day AT&T will have some competition for the iPhone and will have to do something to the network to keep people happy. But if Verizon was to get any type of iPhone I would cancel my AT&T and pay my cancellation fee before the press release from Verizon could get cold.
- Thomas
Since I am all cloud, I have noticed the OS doesn't matter to me. I tote apps on a thumb drives and I get what I need anywhere.
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What are your favourite apps?
- Tris Hussey
Google Chrome and web apps. I run XMind and Evernote as desktop apps on a USB key.
- Steve Rubel
from email
I agree more than ever, despite my Mac OS X preference.
- Louis Gray
Much agreed on the OS agnosticism here (esp with a locked-down work laptop). Is FreeSMUG (http://www.freesmug.org/portabl...) pretty much the best analog to PortableApps?
- Sam Harrelson
I'm good as long as there's a remote desktop app. I could work on an OLPC
- Rodfather
I can't get away from the graphics/video/design production apps. Still need a PC to run most of those. Cloud is out a bit further for workflows involving these.
- SolidSmack
@Louis I am on a PC at work for the first time in five years - and a desktop too. I requested one. That's a first time for me ever (I have been on notebooks since 1995). At home I use a Mac and on the road I do too. In between I use my iPhone. It's liberating not having to carry a notebook, even one that's just 3lbs.
- Steve Rubel
from email
Chris - re: your comment on MS/standard/ActiveX, I think it's the other way around. For general consumers, they are more likely to avoid sites that display content in ways they can't access it - as opposed to changing their browser to meet the demands of those sites. Granted that won't be the case for business users, but I think that sites that attempt to force users into adopting a specific browser will just be further marginalized.
- Jim Tierney
Holden, definitely. Run Chrome on a stick and Evernote.
- Steve Rubel
from email
omg rubel you = straight P-I-M-P
- sean percival
The most portant question is still, what do you do if you are without web access?
- Robert Hafer
from iPhone
@Robert It's very hard for me to be without web access (and access to the apps and data I need/use) with an iPhone.
- Sam Harrelson
Nope, no tethering. I'm even leaving my laptop behind when I travel for conferences (which is amazing). Basically, the iPhone has become my primary computing device and my various laptops are entry points (I'm a Middle School teacher, so on-the-go mobile is incredibly impt for me). Wrote about the apps etc I use here: http://bit.ly/YImRr
- Sam Harrelson
from IM
@Chris, I keep a copy of Portable Firefox for Mac on the same USB drive. Otherwise, I just run their instance of Safari in private mode and I am good to go - or I use my iPhone.
- Steve Rubel
@Robert - simple, use USB drive apps or my iPhone.
- Steve Rubel
@Sam, my iPhone is slowly becoming my primary computer. If it starts connecting to full size monitors and keyboards, lookout.
- Steve Rubel
I still can't find a descent inventory app for my iPhone. The wine cellar at work is wireless opaque, so I can't update numbers to a web app. The ones that call themselves inventory apps are just 'list of stuff I own apps'. I tried Bento but it doesn't do running totals (that i can figure out) on the iPhone version.
- Robert Hafer
If you're into netbooks, you might like to give Jolicloud a try. I'm just about to install it on my Asus EeePC 701.
- Dan Monsieurle
@dan Jollicloud is available? Thought it was only via OEMs.
- Steve Rubel
from email
Nope they are giving out a 1000 accounts a day right now, starting to really get out there. I have it on my asus eeepc, pretty slick OS.
- sean percival
I don't understand how people get Much done without fundamental UI tools like drag and drop, and newer innovations like Quicksilver/LaunchBar, etc. Web apps are great for some specific tasks, but after that a powerful OS with software that can dig in deep to shared resources is killer.
- David Chartier
from iPhone
OS still matters to me as the cloud has to run on an OS... can't escape it
- Bwana ☠
@David, my needs are limited. With the exception of PowerPoint and mindmapping apps, I can do what I need in a browser 100%.
- Steve Rubel
from email
Steve, just out of curiosity, do you know http://280slides.com/ ?
- Meryn Stol
@Meryn, I do - but many decks I create are confidential, so I use PPT.
- Steve Rubel
@Luke sure I worry about security but I am very choosy about where I store data. Business info, for example, is on Edelman servers.
- Steve Rubel
Music and multimedia is an open question, isn't it.
- Steve Rubel
from email
Music wise, I keep a few of my "desert island" albums on Dropbox and the iPhone. All of my other music consumption is via Pandora, Last.FM, AOL Radio and numerous podcasts that I download via the iPhone. I do have one laptop that I use as a syncing station for my iPhone but it's become just a place to grab backups which I then upload immediately to Dropbox.
- Sam Harrelson
Definitely can't say the same for myself
- LANjackal
You can upload all your music to the cloud too, and not have to lug it around. (try lala.com)
- April
I tried running portable firefox when using a shared PC at work, but found it painfully slow via the USB drive.
- Jonathan
I wonder if you use photoshop or do some programming. Probably the all cloud solution is not indicated yet for these tasks.
- funkyboy
@funkyboy : why not? intellectual property or industrail property matters could, will rise. So what? Clouds will just get mature enough to help businesses. For now, I'd say that The Clouds are still in their early years. If somehow, part of the CPU implied in the many daily compilations of larges set of code, or implementation of any sort if real continuous integration process, if somehow some part of that CPU could be saved from server machines dedicated to that, that would be those costs saved.To start.
- Zackatoustra
from IM
I am switching machines & OSes every other week. All I see is Firefox Tabs. It is available in every platform and now that Weave is being developed. I don't need to export my current working tabs to my home/back to work.
- karthick
@funkyboy Have you ever heard of SUMO Paint? While it isn't quite Photoshop yet, it does show that the old excuse of not being able to do stuff like that in the cloud won't live much longer. http://www.sumo.fi/web/
- April
@funkyboy and @April Russo - also check out pixlr: http://pixlr.com/editor/ - it''s pretty freakin sweet for an online app
- Bill Rawlinson
What are you doing to back up your cloud in case it dissipates?
- David Libby
@David everything I do is backed up in multiple places.
- Steve Rubel
Sounds like a business opportunity to me, Steve. In all seriousness, I think if it required fewer steps (backup, different web apps, numerous logins, memory stick, etc.), it could be a very viable option for many people. There needs to be an uber web service that does all of that for you with a few clicks. A personal Network Admin. Oh wait...Google...could that be you I hear at my door? :-)
- Michael Chin
I might have bought my last iPhone. Here's why: http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009... Well, that and AT&T sucks. Dropping calls all the time now.
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still looks like the iPhone's ugly sister
- Roger Oldham
HTC Hero is the the one to keep an eye on. However AT&T will get this issues resolved, just going through growing pains with the recent success of the iPhone 3GS and other smartphones. I wouldn't leave just yet.
- Sloan Bowman
Looks like a nice phone !!!! but i do not think i will give up my iphone
- Aaron Thorn
Roger: it feels like 1993 to me. Remember that year? The Macintosh was WAY ahead of Windows. But here Google is catching up quickly thanks to having an ecosystem that's building Android in. It's the ecosystem that's getting me interested.
- Robert Scoble
I'm already looking for excuses to switch thanks to AT&T
- Jesse Stay
Well, that and the fact that AT&T is so bad.
- Robert Scoble
If you use Google services (like Gmail, calendar etc), using an Android device is a brilliant experience. Everything syncs. Check out the Hero. I'm waiting for the HTC 'lancaster' -- or, indeed, anything with a physical QWERTY keyboard.
- Ewan MacLeod
Robert since when do you base your choices on looks? What whats should be foremost what matters. Agreed?
- Sloan Bowman
is the iphone screen big enough to watch videos on it whilst, say, sitting on an exercise bike at the gym
- Mark
The Hero UI reminds me too much of Palm Pre, my girlfriend has the Pre and it's absolutely terrible. I don't see why so many people were excited about it.
- Colin Anawaty
Colin: Were is the keyword there ;-)
- Sloan Bowman
Until Android gains serious adoption by phone manufacturers (and app development community), Palm Pre nicely fills the gap, and Sprint's network for both calls and data have been stellar. Pre is great, by the way.
- JCunwired
At&T was the deal-breaker for me, but then I actually like my G1. Android app still lag well behind iPhone apps tho...
- Curtis Phillips
Trouble is that with GSM in the U.S. you have a choice of AT&T (bad) and T-Mobile (worse). We switched to Nokia E71 over a year ago and haven't looked back. Free tethering with JoikuSpot, too.
- Ward Mundy
Ryo: I agree the iPhone simply is a very limited device. I'm a huge Symbian fan but Android is my number 2 pick by a long shot. I don't care about appearance. I want power and freedom to get the job done. The iPhone simply can't stand with the others when it comes to that.
- Sloan Bowman
HTC can make anything look good
- Kashif Khan
Ryo: what happened in 1994? Windows NT. What happened in 1995? Windows 95. Game over, Microsoft took over from Apple's lead. Same is happening here.
- Robert Scoble
where does rim fit into this discussion?
- Tobias Lewsadder
I just want a android phone which has working 3g with AT&T. Just need Lancaster (Memphis) to come out
- Ryan
all the best apps and games are on Iphone though, not other platforms
- Mark
Patrik -- the apps will come-a-stormin' as people adopt.
- Ewan MacLeod
N97? Anyone? :)
- Holger Eilhard
Sloan: Symbian is dead. Sorry.
- Robert Scoble
N97 lacks native SIP.
- Ward Mundy
Robert: sure, that bit is interesting... be great if they focused a tiny bit more resource on the industrial design & UX tho'
- Roger Oldham
RIM is fine as long as it continues to have the best keyboard and Exchange integration. But I think long term it has problems too.
- Robert Scoble
Holger: have you actually used an N97? Sorry, isn't even in the game.
- Robert Scoble
Why Rob? business people always need to email and thats awesome with blackberry
- Mark
Pretty damning comment for poor Nokia!
- Ewan MacLeod
To me it's a Palm/iPhone/Android world now. The rest have to get on board (IE, compete!) or go away.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I was referring to your comments about the N97 a few months ago. :-)
- Holger Eilhard
really thinking about buying one. the fact that it doesn't have to be bought at one provider is rather nice.
- Pim de Groot
"Palm/iPhone/Android world"... certainly true in the U.S.
- Ward Mundy
Is Nokia's OS miles behind Apples?
- Mark
Looks nice. Love my iPhone I just wish I could get my MMS pictures without the dreaded Failure encountered during view message errors
- Matthew Noreen
in my consultingi have always pointed people towards the iphone for fun and personal use and the blackberry for business purposes. does the pre or any android based phone fit in the middle?
- Tobias Lewsadder
Re: Palm/iPhone/Android - No Sh!t - that is an understatement.
- Don Strickland
I've always wanted an iPhone, but have no AT&T coverage. Now that they've bought Alltel assets, they should be coming here, but are likely 2 years out. That leaves me with Verizon. Android also intrigues me, but until they get a device on Verizon, I'm still out of luck.
- Shawn Kirsch
Holger: I thought they woudl do a better job on the OS. I also didn't expect iPhone 3GS to come along or the Palm Pre to turn out as nice as it did. I also didn't expect that Google would be able to excite developers. All of which are bad trends for Nokia.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I've been hoping for a critique on Pre and WebOS from you for some time. I know lots has been on your plate...
- JCunwired
Of course nokia if they were in this thread would say "we sell a zillion phones a day"
- Mark
Tobias: you're wrong there. iPhone works great for business too. The only question is whether you can get used to the optical keyboard. I type thousands of words a month on the iPhone. No RIM needed. Android, though, looks like it'll be my next phone, unless someone comes up with a game changer.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I was waiting for that and no my friend its far from it ;-) But you can think that if you would like.
- Sloan Bowman
Mark: yeah, and DOS was once #1 too. Who cares?
- Robert Scoble
I tend to think Motorola, or any would-be smartphone manufacturer without an OS, should get down on its knees and thank Google for Android. And I'm still not sure Palm survives, even post-Pre.
- John Craft
Mark: From a UI standpoint absolutely. From a feature standpoint its been years ahead for a long time. Yes its has its problems but I can do so much more with my Symbian phones than I can with my flashy iPhone 3GS. I'm not biased just being honest from my perspective.
- Sloan Bowman
I actually asked you if I should get an iphone yesterday Rob and you said I had to decide myself. It's such a hard thing though.
- Mark
Google crippled SIP in Google Voice. Waiting to see if they do the same thing with Android.
- Ward Mundy
Robert: Have you ever thought that Android could have use for business purposes too? That's something that I was oblivious to when Android first hit the market.
- wiredgnome
Mundy: Crippled as in how? I love my GV
- Sloan Bowman
Crippled as in can't make a connection to GV via SIP.
- Ward Mundy
Sloan: I have a lot of Nokia phones too and have been a Nokia fan for a while (they still do better video) but the market does not care about having a Zeiss lens or MMS. Who cares? I watch teenagers in UK. They only text. The bleeding edge users are on the iPhone and Android. Developers like: http://www.youtube.com/scoblei... NRU. That app was built for Android first, then ported to iPhone. You can't do THAT with your N97.
- Robert Scoble
Amir: I think Android is going to get lots of business users excited. Just like Windows did in 1995. Apple's risk is that they didn't learn from 1994.
- Robert Scoble
Oh I played with an N97 (the guy wanted to sell me one so I wouldn't go to the O2 store for an Iphone) he said it was just as good. It wasn't, and it felt like a piece of shit
- Mark
"Have you ever thought that Android could have use for business purposes too?" - Amir, see http://www.youtube.com/watch... . I have my G1 syncing to a Google Apps account, and given the costs associated with licensing and supporting Exchange, Android + Apps is a threat to Microsoft and RIM. Gmail's contacts format needs more work, though.
- John Craft
Never trust "the guy" lol...
- Colin
robert: what about bis/bes? arent those important in the business environment?
- Tobias Lewsadder
The Android Samsung Galaxy looks quite good, and unlocked, but still over 400€.
- Nils Sandin
Well he was a salesman in a rival store :D
- Mark
Mark: I thought it felt good when I first saw it, but they didn't redo the OS deeply enough and didn't make the Web really usable, like iPhone does. That's why iPhone is taking over. As people move from texting-only to understanding the web is important part of their mobile device they need something usable. Nokia isn't usable. Period.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Do you think Apple's mistake/risk in '94 will lead them to a different perspective on Android?
- wiredgnome
Android will revolutionise the enterprise because you can finally control the experience for the end-user. Imagine being able to take an HTC Hero and install a 'Citibank' approved and managed version of the Android OS.
- Ewan MacLeod
Yeah Rob, the problem is here in the UK, People like me don't want to CALL people anymore, we want to SMS people and we want to check Facebook on a nice browser on the phone.
- Mark
Robert: I hear you and trust me I know exactly what you mean. I'm amazed by the apps on my iPhone. I'm just trying to bring that into the Symbian world where its capable but has been neglected for so very long. I am able to share my life easily and with high quality with my Symbian devices. For me this is a powerful thing. You can do it on the iPhone but one app at a time ;-)
- Sloan Bowman
Amir: it doesn't look like it, because Apple is very secretive and very closed to outside innovation. But they do have the best developer platform out there (which shocks even the iPhone team internally). That's already one difference between 2010 and 1994. Apple pissed off developers back then and stopped focusing on them. Right now Apple is VERY focused on developers -- their ads show it.
- Robert Scoble
Discussions like this really show off the beauty of FriendFeed.
- Ward Mundy
God if Nokia came in this thread they could learn a thing or two from this one
- Mark
Amir: I think Android will overtake iPhone very soon if Apple doesn't change the way things are going. They are too closed about what they do and what they allow us developers to do. Its going to bite them.
- Sloan Bowman
Bingo!
- Ward Mundy
Mark: I wish they would. Doing my best to make sure that happens.
- Sloan Bowman
Nokia are reading, I guarantee it.
- Ewan MacLeod
Mark: Nokia doesn't care internally. THAT is the HUGE problem.
- Robert Scoble
Well they need to fucking care. I've played with their latest and greatest and its NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
- Mark
a game changer to me would be apple incorporating iwork into the iphone.
- Tobias Lewsadder
Mark: Nokia believes that having market share is all that matters, not in having OS leadership. They dropped the ball. I don't know if they will be able to find it again.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Correct. Do you think if Microsoft was in Apple's position [being oblivious to outside innovation] they [Microsoft] will be able to thrive like Apple did with the iPhone?
- wiredgnome
Robert - agreed. I had to give up my beloved iPhone because AT&T doesn't have service in my new home location. I even bought a cell booster to supposedly help but it didn't. No service at all but according to the AT&T coverage map, I'm in the "moderate" coverage area. Now I'm fighting the early contract cancellation due to no service. Sucks but I'm hearing a lot of AT&T coverage and dropped call issues lately. The woes of cell service and the electronic world - isn't it great?
- Sharon Dexter
Robert: Untrue, I know several people at Nokia that care immensely. They realize the problems but I don't think they have the expertise to see how to fix it yet. I know some very great minds are working on it.
- Sloan Bowman
Mark: now you are getting where I've been coming from for the past two years. There's a reason why I wait in line to buy iPhones when I get Nokia phones given to me to try.
- Robert Scoble
Sloan: well, Microsoft has the same problem. And, sorry, they don't communicate to the world that they care. They are arrogant and go on stage and poopoo the iPhone and Google. I was there in the audience when they announced the N97.
- Robert Scoble
And when people come to them and say they have a problem they hem and haw and don't admit they have a problem. I've heard this over and over from people who go to Nokia and meet with execs there.
- Robert Scoble
If they really thought they had a problem they would pull a Nokia and rebuild their OS from scratch. That's the only way they can solve this problem.
- Robert Scoble
Apostol: like I said, it's an iPhone/Palm/Android world until someone changes the game.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I had voiced this opinion as well, communication is key and they are getting better at it. Making a good presence on twitter and other networks with real people listening to real users.
- Sloan Bowman
But they paid good money for that OS.
- Ward Mundy
With RIM hanging on due to business users. Check this out: http://online.wsj.com/article...
- Robert Scoble
Sloan: nope, that won't help Nokia. I feel very happy with communication from Nokia. I get tons of devices to try. I get access to people. But the OS sucks and that won't stop being a problem. Nokia needs vision again and needs to ship a great product again.
- Robert Scoble
Nokia is just not the company i think about when i want a smartphone. they made good normal mobiles, but apple and HTC/android are the ones that pop into view when you want an internet phone.
- Pim de Groot
N97 just shows they finally caved to the providers.
- Ward Mundy
The last few statements in this conversation is why Microsoft, Nokia and Blackberry should pay close attention to Android and WebOS, because they will be taking market share from them. iPhone too, but theirs is more a carrier issue than device functionality.
- JCunwired
Apostol: What do you mean by that regarding the N97? What do you think is so bad about it?
- Sloan Bowman
What about screen size? I find the the screens on the iPod Touch too small already. Can't imagine having a smart phone with an even smaller screen. Will trend to bigger screens ever occur?
- Thomas Sheppard
Ward: just because you threw money down the toilet doesn't mean you should keep doing that. Palm learned that. Nokia will too.
- Robert Scoble
I'll take an open system any time over a closed one. And I think it sucks bigtime that Apple decides what carrier I use. It's a great piece if software, but it sucks as a mobile phone. Android and this Helios phone look promising.
- Alexander van Elsas
from iPhone
Couldn't be happier with E71. Over half my calls are SIP, and they're all free. All I need is WiFi.
- Ward Mundy
Thomas, there's a fine line between a phone and a portable media device. Any larger than iPhone and it gets to be a bit unwieldy as a pocketable device.
- JCunwired
Good lord, Robert, this is you and me agreeing here :)
- Ian Betteridge
The game will change I agree but to what direction is anybody guess now. If you want my opinion it won't be Apple that does it. I'm actually surprised you like the iPhone at all Robert. You seem to be a multitasking kinda guy to me. At least very heavy into communications.
- Sloan Bowman
If you do decide to bail on the iPhone I'd be interested in the switching cost (the effort it took to move to a different mobile OS) and what kind of non-obvious lock-ins exist on the iPhone.
- scott anderson
Apostol: It has a great battery IMO. I push mine very hard and it last all day no problem. Are we going to get into the battery war here? G1 iPhone are you serious?
- Sloan Bowman
I agree there has to be an optimal screen size but in education they are talking about mobile learning using these phones (Mobiglam being an example of an early system) and I can't see it working on any smaller screens.
- Thomas Sheppard
Apostol: No its not blazing by any means but for me it gets the job done and done well. I am able to communicate via email (personal, Exchange) Sync my google contacts live with Google Sync over Mfe. Have twitter open if needed, chat and last and entire day doing it. Not to mention document my life with my wonderful photos and videos and push them to the web without touching a computer.
- Sloan Bowman
Ward, the E71 is a bit of a "hidden gem". For anyone wanting a "BlackBerry-like" phone with a keyboard, it's a really, really sweet phone.
- Ian Betteridge
Ward: Right there with you. Google voice and Gizmo SIP make an powerful combination. Of course other SIP providers are just as well.
- Sloan Bowman
google has a great opportunity with the chrome os and android. their flawless integration, if done right could be HUGE!
- Tobias Lewsadder
Bottom line I don't disagree things don't need to change with Nokia but I do disagree when people say they are worthless. The communication power of a Symbian powered device are endless. But trust me I'm up for any platform that can offer this to me. If that is Android, iPhone then i'll support it.
- Sloan Bowman
Great discussion. Here are perspectives from a few developers that may show some chinks in the iPhone's armor: http://furbo.org/2009... http://www.marco.org/143265621
- Sterling Zumbrunn
The industry is about choice. Open choices are always the best door to enter so you don't get hit in the ass by a door closing.
- Sloan Bowman
I find the iPhone much easier to program for than Android as I only have to test on a small set of models -- Android is not so simple, especially with these new hybridizations of the operating system. I'm worried it'll become as painful as Windows programming. That said, Apple really needs to fix the App Store approval process.
- Raj Advani
Raj, that's true now, but will it be so in the future? Apple is likely to follow the same slow-diversification path for the iPhone as it did for the iPod, I suspect.
- Ian Betteridge
Sloan, I don't think anyone would disagree with you there. But the fact remains that both Nokia and Microsoft let the smartphone world pass them by in thinking that symbian and winmo were the OS of choice while others caught up (and surpassed). Unless and until this changes they will be worthless devices strictly within the context of smartphone useability and functionality.
- JCunwired
indeed, plus the 3gs and 3g have enough differences that there are 3gs only apps. But i agree with Raj overall the hardware specs are the same
- Kashif Khan
jcunwired: Agreed but clearly stating that its dead is dead wrong. People said Mac was dead too remember. Look at it now, all it takes is innovation and dedication and we will have a more rounded solution. Call me overly optimistic but I have faith the Symbian Foundation will change things. If i'm wrong I will be the first to admit it. Trust me I have plans for a HTC Hero in the palm of my hand the day they come out ;-) I bought the iPhone 3GS a couple of weeks ago and like it but wouldn't say I love it.
- Sloan Bowman
Prasson: Oh I promise you the next iPhone will probably be incredible as far as hardware goes. Surely they will include a flash, surely right.
- Sloan Bowman
Still looks like he has to touch the screen multiple times to get things to happen. Same problem with Windows Mobile phones.
- Jeremy Gollehon
My 3G used to hold a rock solid signal. My 3GS is horrible. 20% drop rates confirmed by Apple Genius - they have a tool that can tell. This is my second one, the first was unbearable. I suggest everyone make an appointment with the Genius bar or drop into AT&T this week. Overwhelm Apple and AT&T with the complaints and testing. Maybe (probably not) it will get their collective attention if they have to spend an entire week troubleshooting.
- chris tirpak
Unlocked N97, baby!
- Thom Kennon
Didn't you say that when the Pre came out too? I think you may have "Oh Look! Shiny!" disease...
- The original Kevin
would verizon be the right answer for the iphone. every verizon phone i have played with was so locked down. i remember comparing my wifes razr to my brothers who is on verizon. it was a totally different os. will verizon give apple and the iphone users the freedom needed for a revolutionry product like the iphone?
- Tobias Lewsadder
With competition, Android phones will soon cost less than $200 towards $100 UNLOCKED, which is the real advantage here..
- Charbax
Also, in theory, Android phones should be able to run VOIP and IM only, with absolutely no Voice and SMS contracts needed, but only a month by month pre-paid data only plan required.
- Charbax
You can already do that in the UK, with a Skype Phone on the 3 network. Skype-to-Skype calls are free once you're bought the phone - you don't even need a data plan.
- Ian Betteridge
After using Iphone(1st gen,3g and 3GS) for nearly two years, I feel no other phone can beat it in browsing the web and it is more of information output device than data input device. The touch keyboard is still very usable to type. I have not used any other smartphones but I feel they lack the smoothness of the Iphone UI. It is not multitasking but the process of going to other program...
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- Ashish
Ian Betteridge, the Skyping that you are talking about is fake. You still need a voice and SMS contract plan. VOIP should be VOIP, it should be located on the data plan. In Europe we can have $20 month-by-month pre-paid only data plans, with absolutely no contracts just perhaps a 10GB or 20GB monthly data usage limit.
- Charbax
Android UI is not only developed by Google, but is now developed by thousands of embedded Linux engineers in each of dozens of companies. So obviously Android UI should provide the best possible UI. Anyways, all smartphone UIs are the same. What matters now is freedom to do what you want with your phone, and the price of these devices can only be brought down by increased competition. Android only enables that.
- Charbax
Try supporting this on your iPhone... without paying AT&T through the nose: http://mundy.org/whereib
- Ward Mundy
Texas Instruments OMAP3, Qualcomm Snapdragon, Freescale i.MX51 or Nvidia Tegra all would have been 3-4x more powerful ARM based processors. So I'd much rather have an ARM Cortex A8 based device. Lots of Android phones are coming out in the next few months by many other manufacturers than only HTC and Samsung.
- Charbax
Awesome thread. I'm struggling to find one device that does all I want. I'm testing a bunch right now (fringe benefit). 3GS is probably the best overall. Tweetdeck for iPhone is the koolest app I've ever used. Palm Pre has a slick UI and does great with Office 07 attachements, but apps are limited & no good roaming package for me over in Asia + no tweetdeck (yet)...N97 is interesting.....
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- MarkHirsch
The iPhone is the best gadget I've had in a while but lately the AT&T service really sucks here in NY/NJ - it drops calls and email replies don't get received. Really getting ticked off with it.
- Sally Church
Golly gosh O'trousers Friendfeed is quieeeeet tonight
- Mark
AT&T really, truly sucks - big time.
- J.D. Deutschendorf
T-Mobile's pretty great, in my experience. I understand that varies greatly depending on where you are, however.
- Keith Bourgoin
You really can't go wrong with Verizon and a Blackberry.
- Bryan R. Adams
except for the blackberry part..
- Chris Heath
I haven't had many problems with the Blackberry. Push email (that works) is king.
- Bryan R. Adams
AT&T seems to be in meltdown re: providing, even voice bandwidth. i left them for Sprint, big improvement. I discovered that Sprint has a "free roaming deal" with Verizon so their footpints are the same.
- Steve Bell
I am so glad I saw this thread. I am going to check out the HTC Hero. Hope it has a release date soon in the US. My iphone 3G is good, but I want more w/o having to pay $400 to upgrade and get AT&T's service.
- Amani
@Scoble - I really, really, really want the HTC Hero but from what I understand it's 3G bands are the ones that AT&T uses in the US so the most recent speculation is that it will end up there. So you'd be stuck with Ma Bell still anyway. I wish this could have gone to US T-Mo, I'd be all over it.
- Bryan Zirkel
Hey Chaps, in the UK the Iphone has unlimited data plan built in monthly cost, the Hero has 500mb a MONTH plan built in. That's a 3 minute youtube video every day and a few emails.
- Mark
AT&T service is dropping calls almost everywhere now.
- wiredgnome
Realized the problem with too many phones around... blew one up today...Plugged the AC adapter for the mophie 3GS battery/case into a N97 since they for some reason have the same custom connector & poof.. blew the N97...
- MarkHirsch
Probably will stop me from buying my first iPhone
- Kenneth Younger
I wonder how many people and companies are changing their passwords and policies this morning because of #twittergate and http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... ? I know I am, I was doing a few of the stupid practices that caught Twitter.
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Does anyone have a good blog post for how to come up with strong password names and policies?
- Robert Scoble
taht's great, I am also willing to change my password.
- Madhav Tripathi
1Password on the Mac...
- Holger Eilhard
not for corp use but for personal use 1Password is perfect
- Mike Bracco
Holger: beat me to it :)
- Mike Bracco
Mike: Sometimes I'm faster. Rarely, but happens :-)
- Holger Eilhard
I will write a blog post about it.
- Madhav Tripathi
Robert on the network side of things there are programs that generate strong passwords. But you can develop a "feel" for it. I have to create them all the time. Just don't use "memory aids" they lead to social hacks
- Melanie Reed
You're okay if you don't use 3rd party apps to login to Twitter, right?
- Steven E. Streight
I like this one. http://www.pctools.com/guides...
- Logan Lindquist
Sorry, should have linked to the TechCrunch article about how the hacker broke into Twitter: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Robert Scoble
Steven: this isn't about your Twitter account's security. It's about your security on the Web.
- Robert Scoble
Here's some password policies you might find interesting: http://www.nersc.gov/nusers... , http://www.comptechdoc.org/indepen... , http://www.sans.org/resourc...
- imabonehead
I have no need because my passwords have always been 12+ characters, include caps, random characters, and numbers. I'm sure most people that use FF are the same way. The engineers I work with bitch about my choice of passwords all the time.
- coldbrew
The sad reality is any password can be hacked. It's just a matter of time as in attrition. But you can make it harder for them with strong passwords
- Melanie Reed
Yeah, we've always tried to make sure our hosting customers understand how important it is create good passwords, but many still use bad passwords, hopefully all of this recent press will scare them into using better passwords. Most people don't care about their password until something bad happens to them. It's similar to people who ignore making backups and then find out the hard way.
- Scott Beale
I use Lastpass.com to generate and save passwords.
- mrshl
Just pick a couple good ones that you can use for different things. Practice typing them so you can remember the keystrokes easier. The more you use them the easier it will be to remember. Use keepass or FFox to keep track of them.
- Logan Lindquist
1Password hands down for ease of use and strong password creation on OSX and iPhone
- Jerry Schuman
I wrote this regarding Twitter, security & the cloud: Here's my thoughts http://www.thetechnewsblog.com/2009... #twittergate
- Jim Connolly
Melanie: it's the social hacks that will catch the most people. Not the strength of the passwords. Notice that he didn't need to guess the passwords, he just needed to use the ecosystem against itself.
- Robert Scoble
I agree 100% about 1Password, one of the best Mac apps out there: http://agilewebsolutions.com/product...
- Scott Beale
Roboform on Windows. Otherwise 1Password.
- Herb Hernandez
Very few. People and companies generally don't make policy changes until they're bitten themselves.
- Darren
Good point about social engineering, Scoble.
- coldbrew
I ended up writing this http://blog.siliconverse.com/2009...
- Ruchit Garg
Robert: yes. its the easiest hack to employ
- Melanie Reed
Or there's a business requirement . e.g. Customers inquire about policies based on what they've read in the news and impose requirements on their partners.
- Darren
If you need cross-platform then I'd look at http://www.keepassx.org
- Jerry Schuman
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- Mark
Unfortunately most companies don't change passwords until they have too, the IT department doesn't want to deal with the calls when someone can't remember there password.
- Kim Landwehr
my 14 character alphanumeric pass for my gmail account was hacked about 2mo ago. After fixing, Ive gone and changed all passes; & none of them are of the same ilk. my twitter account is the simplest; cause i care less if its hacked.
- clarke thomas
The best thing to happen to corporate security was the public insecurity of Microsoft software int the late part of the 90s and earlier in the decade.
- Darren
I use Roboform Password Manager to navigate and automatically login to websites using complex passwords: http://www.eenmanierom.nl/wachtwo... (Dutch post but Google Translate is nearby).
- Patrick Mackaaij
a lot, I hope.....
- Alex Griffiths
FTR, I use Keepass (hosted on sourceforge).
- coldbrew
I had to this week my XBL account was hacked.
- Dylan Richardson
I had to change everything and cancel 2 cards.
- Dylan Richardson
I use GRC to gen and never use anything less than 20 chars unless the site doesn't support that length. Sometimes I use the first 20 in a 64 bit key, sometimes I use the last 20, sometimes I pick the middle 20. Sometimes I use 21, 22, 23, 19 char length. I also lie on all reminder questions.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
I use a hosted version of clipperz (http://clipperz.com/), totally random passwords, web accessible from anywhere and hosted on my own server.
- Justin Yost
same here, Justin. I use lastpass which generates random passwords, and has one master password, which is a very secure one.
- Tim Hoeck
A couple of months ago, my gmail was hacked. They then quickly went and changed my Itunes account over to another email and started buying iphone apps. In the about an hour and a half, that they had control over my email they spent almost $1000. Luckily they made the mistake of changing the name and language on my account. I don't use the email much anymore but g reader so I spotted it....
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- Rasmus Lauridsen
for years, private corporate systems have had security measures like password strength policies for a domain, password age policies, secure connection requirements, logon policies that deny multiple logons, locking out user accounts after multiple password failures, etc. etc. etc. this incident with Twitter is a huge wake-up call.
- Karim
What first caught my eye was this article was written by Nik Cubrilovic. I had wondered what had happened to him, and hoped everything was well with him.
- Lloyd Budd
Yeah, Nik was in the TechCrunch office when I was there the other day. I figured a big story was underway cause Arrington told me to stop wasting Nik's time and to go bug the interns. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Making an awesomely strong password wouldn't have prevented this attack. It was using the same awesomely strong password that made the attack possible. And who hasn't done that? There's just too many apps that require passwords out there.
- marziah
I typically use KeePass to generate as strong a password as I can. I try to keep passwords to a minimum of 20 characters and use letters, numbers and symbols...some sites allow this some do not. If there is a password character max I will use that max (within reason). The problem I have is with some of the accounts I want to be able to access from my Blackberry. Having a 50 character...
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- Sean Brady
I use RoboForm to create all my passwords. I have them backed up and honestly couldn't type one out if I tried, they all are 14-16 chars long
- George Handlin
+1 George. A good pw generator like RoboForm or 1password can save you a lot of grief later on.
- Bill Sodeman
interesting experiment, make accounts at free websites and have really awful passwords and see how long it takes to get hacked!
- Mark
I agree with Sean Brady, makes it tough entering on the blackberry. Especially how sometimes it will cap the first character and when it's masked, makes it even tougher. Wish there was something I could host on my own server that would work with all my machines (Win/Mac) and my phones. I don't like the idea of storing on some hosted service. Thinking of trying RoboForms hosted service since they are trusted and I've gained personal trust for the application.
- George Handlin
It makes me anxious not knowing my password is for a particular site... so I've always been wary of things like 1password or roboform. I also need something that I can pull up from any computer, which rules out 1password. I've heard good things about supergenpass
- Mark Philpot
Take a look at Clipperz then, if you can get to the internet you can get to Clipperz (http://www.clipperz.com/)
- Justin Yost
Justin - @jtyost2 - I just checked out www.clipperz.com for the password mgmt, looks promising, but wish there were better integration w/ Firefox somehow. It's pretty cumbersome to get started.
- Alex Schleber
Yeah that is a drawback.
- Justin Yost
thanks 4 reminder should do it now arrgh!! as we speak!!
- polou/indigo_bow
Robert due to all the virus issues we went to a more secured password format 3 months ago. We use a minimum of 8 characters numbers letter and mixed case password plus you can not use your name. We force our users to change their passwords every 3 months.
- Rob Cairns
I think for a security policy to be effective it has to be secret...
- Alexandros Georgiadis
KeePass (Win) and KeePassX (cross platform) is excellennt! Strong public encryption and publicly available source code. I would love to go with LastPass, they have a beautiful cross platform syncing solution, but since they are closed source (for now) I'm holding off switching to their product.
- Daniel Chow
I stopped using the same password years ago. To help me keep up with the various passwords, I have been using KeePass on Windows, Windows Mobile and OS X for several years; I'm waiting for iKeePass to become available.
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
http://www.yubico.com/home... for hardware PW protection, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US... FireFox addon LastPass is for software app, https://www.grc.com/passwor... for GRC's ultra High Security (put it on a usb flash and copy paste), http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2008... geeks know everything!
- Rich Weaver
Yep the 'ecosystem' is undoubtedly insecure. I believe this type of hacking also has elements of social engineering to it. I dislike the "secret questions" as today when most people's personal information is transparent online what purpose do those questions serve, except to weaken security? Can we please opt out of dumb security questions... someone start a petition or something!
- ASKJDOG
Great Post, I learned more about improving my security in 15 minutes than I would have at a 2 day seminar. :)
- Robert Higgins
I hope the lasting legacy of twittergate is better security thanks to articles like this one.
- Stephen Mack
I use http://passwordmaker.org/ for most of my password, it means I only need to remember a single password and it generates a unique password for each site I use (by hashing my password with the url). For the remaining sites, I use http://passwordsafe.sourceforge.net/ and dropbox to sync my password database across machines.
- Wilka Hudson
I see many people using/recommending password generator sites. I also recommend these, but one day I thought - what if the password generators are hacked? --> http://robotterror.com/site...
- Robert J Taylor
Password Maker (the first link) isn't just a password generator site - I use it as a FireFox plugin. It's also open source, so if you're really unsure about the safety of it you can have a look at the code yourself. I realise that's not a very good answer for an non-coders, but it does mean that if it was hacked *somebody* would notice and it would be all over blogs like Bruce Schneier http://www.schneier.com/blog/
- Wilka Hudson
Also, for you those of using Firefox - you should look at this: http://cubicledenizen.blogspot.com/2008...
- Wilka Hudson
I think unless we develop somethig better than passwords we will never fix the problem. Using different strong passwords is good but it's no better than locking a cycle up outside a store, they just ensure that only dedicated people hack your acount/steal your cycle, which in general are the worst people to hack your account.
- Darren Rollett
Some people on here have informed the world what their password policy is and what tool they use to generate passwords. If this had been a conversation down the pub then probably not a problem but if I want information on high value passwords FriendFeed would probably be the place to go due to the people who use the system.
- Darren Rollett
Nobody has mentioned https://mashedlife.com - it uses a bookmarklet to log you into your sites. That way you can use anything for the password. Cliperz looks like a similar system.
- Daniel Siva
My new Dell Studio XPS is noisier than my Mac. Gets hotter. Has better screen. Other quick comparisons:
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The fit and finish on it isn't nearly as nice as the Mac.
- Robert Scoble
Overall it feels plasticky.
- Robert Scoble
The Dell has better speakers. The Dell has a much more common VGA port. Which, of course, means it won't work with my Apple 21 inch monitor.
- Robert Scoble
I just gave my son the same computer, really is squishy feeling and upgrade options are minimal especially the power supply
- Robert Burgin
Which model? I just ordered the 16"
- Chris Mayer
Robert: yeah, battery doesn't last nearly as long as a new Mac, either.
- Robert Scoble
How's the battery life? I'm getting about 9 hours with my new Asus eee 1005HA and am loving the backlit LED screen
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
from iPhone
it's not apple-to-apple (pun intended), how should we compare such kind?
- Toni @ NavinoT
Better screen? Wow
- Zoli Erdos
On the other hand, the Dell runs Windows better than the Mac does and now I have a machine just for doing email, which makes me more productive.
- Robert Scoble
Zoli: yeah, Apples really don't have the best screens on the market. You should see the top of the line Lenovo. It blows the Mac screens away.
- Robert Scoble
I disagree I dual boot windows 7 on my Mac and it runs faster than any pc I have run Windows 7 on just my opnion though
- Robert Burgin
Talk about screens, I am baffled why so manufacturers offer matte (antiglare) screens. The world is not all about vids and pics... some just want to work, and glare is horrible on most fashinable glossy screens
- Zoli Erdos
Brian: this Dell model only is supposed to get about three hours of battery. I think the reason it gets so hot is because it has a bigass video card in it and a fast centrino processor.
- Robert Scoble
PP35L is the Dell model number.
- Robert Scoble
Lenovo... hm... I'm cheap.. was eyeing the Ideapad U350 - lightweight, but not top-of-the-line
- Zoli Erdos
I don't think Lenovo is as near as good since IBM sold them imho
- Robert Burgin
It's 16inch model, Robert. I'm thinking of getting that model when Win7 comes out. You recommend?
- Gregory Schultz
i have the studio xps desktop, really nice machine. so overloaded its great
- sean percival
I got it with the 256GB SSD, hoping that will extend the battery life a little (plus add a lot of performance).
- Chris Mayer
I am a HUGE Mac fanboy but et me tell you Windows 7 really has me liking it, I just hope they don't mess it up before they release it love the way they took the drug dealer approach, give you a taste get you hooked now pay me lol
- Robert Burgin
Robert: Windows 7 is very nice. I'm actually leaving Vista on here for a few weeks just so I can remember what it was like again. :-) So far I don't care that much. But Windows 7 was faster and has a nicer UI.
- Robert Scoble
I'm going to wait until they ship with Windows 7 and then I'm in.
- Craig Shipp
Well in my opinion Windows 7 is one of the best OS's Microsoft has put out, liked 2000 pro allot to but this is a really good OS
- Robert Burgin
I'll be putting Win 7 on it as soon as I get it. I have it on all my machines with very few problems.
- Chris Mayer
Which Mac Laptop are you comparing it to?
- Tim Child
i have the dell xps m1330 - its even a refurb and i would put it up against the macbook/pro anyday. it has hdmi and vga, i wont go into all the specs because everyone has different but in the 5 mos i've had it, i have zero complaints.
- Allen Stern
What about resell value? How long is its average lifetime?
- Jesse Stay
Adi: yes.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Hey Robert, give this a test on your XPS and google chrome. It's rendering everything in Javascript! It's taxing my quad core pc, your poor laptop might pass out ;) http://www.chromeexperiments.com/detail...
- Mark
I bought a Macbook Pro 17, 2 weeks ago. First timer Mac. But I guess I am not cool enough. Just put it back on eBay and am back in Windows' arms :-) Had way too many Windows only programs which wouldn't run well on Parallels. Windows is great, but man I wish someone would make as beautiful PCs as Apple products. Considering XPS 16 or HP HDX 16t. The 16t is better value feature for feature, but XPS 16 looks so much better. Hmm so many choices :-)
- Ritesh Lal
I suppose if you want things done buy a PC. If you want style buy a mac ;)
- Mark
Dude, Scoble is getting a Dell and JungleDisk for backups and a couple of Seagate drives - http://ourdoings.com/roberts...
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JungleDisk's great!
- David Schmidt
I mix Microsoft LiveMesh and Jungle Disk backups. It's pretty neat having cross-platform sync and remote backup.
- Ryan Massie
Price point?
- sofarsoShaw BAZINGA!
$1200.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Mozy FTW
- Jeff (Team マクダジ )
Do you get JungleDisk for free if you use Rackspace Cloud Files?
- Ryan Massie
Apostol: a new hard drive is being put in my Mac but I needed a Windows computer anyway.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Nice, I'm convinced already, I hate the new Macbooks & Jungle is prime cloud
- sofarsoShaw BAZINGA!
What Dell model did you get? Just got my Studio 15 and pretty impressed.
- Steve Farnworth
Steve: it is an XPS, will tell more when I get home.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Sounds good!
- Steve Farnworth
The new XPS laptops are very powerful. Might be the one with Core 2 Duo P8600 2.4GHz processor and NVIDIA GeForce 9500M graphics. Also like their external looks.
- Nir Ben Yona
JungleDisk rocks. 20Gb+ backed up for $6ish a month. Also use Live Mesh, to sync between 2 desktops and a laptop.
- John McArthur
I was a big Jungle Disk fan, but lately I've been using Dropbox far more (https://www.getdropbox.com/). The big advantage for me is that Dropbox saves to a local file which syncs to the cloud in the background, while Jungle Disk saves directly to the cloud. The Dropbox way is faster and feels safer as I have local copies on all of my machines (work and home) as well as the cloud copy.
- Sean Carmody
Google Chrome: Redefining The Operating System - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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"What is an OS? When I worked at Microsoft they showed an OS as being layers. UI is top layer. Kernel and Drivers being bottom layer. Both are considered OS. Pedantic OS arrogance is worse than any of my many sins."
- Robert Scoble
Microsoft has nothing to worry about until Google provides warranties and a support line. This will be another toy for the tech oriented to play with. And then for next 10 years we will hear "THIS is the year that the Google OS is ready for the desktop"
- Patrick Allmond
A competitive OS space is GREAT for the consumer and will continue to drive more cost effective options and hopefully innovating features. While Microsoft has been the number 1 option for enterprise customers for many years, perhaps in the future there will be other serious options that also entertain SERIOUS interoperability, and first class support services to match.
- Clifford Kennedy
Chrome will revamp the Open source market. More tools built on Linux will enter space. And finally consumer is the king, since open source is free
- Michael_techie
Hah, @c0diq I answer your complaints about my links and lack of content and other FriendFeedisms here:
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The value is in the comments.
- Robert Scoble
http://twitter.com/c0diq complains that I link to FriendFeed where he has to read -- horrors -- comments!
- Robert Scoble
But I do my links very specifically. I WANT you to read the comments and PARTICIPATE!!!
- Robert Scoble
Not to mention that when you do that, you are adding metadata that helps the new real time search features that are MUCH BETTER here on FriendFeed than are over on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Gee, with mine, the complaint was the extra level of clicking to get to a news item I had aggregated in Friendfeed and relayed to Twitter.
- George Hall (Australia)
Also, if you add comments, they all are bundled up and you can permalink to them. Like this bundle. Here, you can link to it: http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
That is something you can't do in Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Also, in Twitter, you can't see real time, so you can't "chat" with other people about the topic under hand. Hi George, yeah, I get that complaint once in a while too.
- Robert Scoble
My Twitter followers didn't like so many news links aggregated and piped over to Twitter all coming at once (10 at a time).
- George Hall (Australia)
Also, if you want scoops you should follow my "like feed" at http://www.friendfeed.com/scoblei... because that's faster than techmeme or reading RSS feeds a lot of the time.
- Robert Scoble
I know this guy
- net
Agreed, seeing the comments "up top" along with the content is very valuable (at least in FriendFeed's current implementation!)
- Jonathan Coffman
net: I wish he'd come here and engage with us about why he doesn't get this.
- Robert Scoble
he is sitting beside me - oh no he taking over my keyboard
- net
Quite a few advantages to Friendfeed, just some Twitter users haven't quite adapted to it yet.
- George Hall (Australia)
In fact, I wish anyone who sits on Twitter and doesn't get FriendFeed would come here and explain why they don't get it.
- Robert Scoble
It's like melons. I refuse to try them, even though I might like them. Getting them to come over here and checking this place out is hard.
- Mark
he's is part of the ScreenJelly crew launching next week
- net
Keep rocking Rob! FF is THE place to interact better with comments.
- Fer Isella
Oh well, at least my Friendfeed subscribers still get to read news links from Australian news.com.au and Australian ABC news right here.
- George Hall (Australia)
Net: URL? What's that?
- Robert Scoble
www.screenjelly.com
- net
net: if you put http://www.screenjelly.com it becomes a link.
- Robert Scoble
I use twitter exclusively on iphone, opening a friendfeed link is painful
- Sylvain Rebaud
(I'm lazy, gotta make it easy for me).
- Robert Scoble
FF should fix that link thing too so it hyperlinks www not just http
- Mark
I needed something interesting to read on FF before I finally created a FF account. This only happened after someone I followed mentioned Scoble then I followed Scoble and then he mentioned he was going to be on Stategy Room so I watched that. Then more of Scobble's links to FF and chat happened so I create an account and could participate
- Nicholas Orr
the founder wants to show it to you next week - and then you can explain the value of ff over twitter
- net
net: I will be in London next week unfortunately.
- Robert Scoble
okay - they will send you a link
- net
net: I just saw he uses an iPhone. Come on, that's no excuse. I use an iPhone with FriendFeed all the time.
- Robert Scoble
I don't have a problem going to friendfeed if only there was a link to story before the comments
- Sylvain Rebaud
I like to read the story first then the comments ;-)
- Sylvain Rebaud
specially for you from http://www.screenjelly.com
- net
I wanna use friendfeed with a CrunchPad
- Mark
Sylvain: a lot of times when I link over to here I'm linking TO THE COMMENTS.
- Robert Scoble
the stuff that sticks on your screen
- net
wow you spelled my first name right !
- Sylvain Rebaud
you're the only american that can spell a french name right ;-)
- Sylvain Rebaud
ff is like a chat room on steroids
- net
Sylvain: well it's right here on my screen, not hard to get it right!
- Robert Scoble
he's french - he can't help it
- net
wait I thought you were on iPhone, you master copy/paste now ?
- Sylvain Rebaud
Sylvain: I'm on my desktop at the moment. I was on iPhone most of today, though, and yes copy and paste rocks.
- Robert Scoble
to go back to original complaint, I don't know how people have time to read twitter and friendfeed comments
- Sylvain Rebaud
Sylvain: I don't recommend shoving FriendFeed comments over to Twitter. Too noisy.
- Robert Scoble
I think friendfeed should find a way to bring up to the top valuable comments and not from everybody
- Sylvain Rebaud
Scoble - you just got Sylvain hooked on FF - he's sitting beside me tapping away :)
- net
I dont have time for this .. damn
- Sylvain Rebaud
net: one person at a time! :-) Wait until he finds the other features.
- Robert Scoble
FF is taking over my skype/im/irc channel .. no way
- Sylvain Rebaud
Likes going to Twitter doesn't hurt.
- George Hall (Australia)
Sylvain: one person's noise is another person's treasure.
- Robert Scoble
welcome to FFA Friend Feed Anonymous - new support club
- net
right, you said past following 300 people your life is miserable
- Sylvain Rebaud
Quick question, would you buy one of these for $1000 ? http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Mark
I am surprised you saw and responded to my post ;-)
- Sylvain Rebaud
Sylvain: here in FriendFeed you can put your friends into lists. So you can have lists with lots of people and lists with just a few.
- Robert Scoble
Actually, since buddyfeed is the only iphone client for friendfeed which doesn't crash all the time, I use the web browser on the iphone to read FF. Never have a problem with the links at all.
- George Hall (Australia)
WTH, everything I type in FF goes to twitter !!!
- Sylvain Rebaud
Mark: Steve Jobs has me wrapped around his little finger.
- Robert Scoble
Sylvain: you gotta change that in the settings here. I don't have mine going over to Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
now you say that ! ;-)
- Sylvain Rebaud
Sylvain, you can adjust your FF settings to less goes to Twitter. I had to do that last night.
- George Hall (Australia)
I'm down to only blog posts, techcrunch news and geek.com items going over to twitter now.
- George Hall (Australia)
ok it should be off now. Robert: Why dont you "Link to source site instead of FriendFeed conversation (does not apply to comments)" ?
- Sylvain Rebaud
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple... Funny to read old blog posts and see how spectacurlaly wrong so many "sources" are.
- Mark
Robert: you want to follow http://twitter.com/screenjelly we're launching next week!
- Sylvain Rebaud
Sylvain - you're such a FF virgin - spamming all the internet via twitter..:)
- net
I feel dirty
- Sylvain Rebaud
Sylvain: because my style of using FriendFeed is to link to comments. I think the comments actually add more value than the source articles a lot of times.
- Robert Scoble
LOL!
- George Hall (Australia)
Lolling to Sylvain being an FF virgin and feeling dirty.
- George Hall (Australia)
Aw, come one...keep this one going. I hate being the thread-killer...
- George Hall (Australia)
Sylvain now says he doesn't like "friend of a friend" feature. He doesn't realize he can turn that off. Click on "hide" twice.
- Robert Scoble
FF, is so customizable you can turn on or off anything you don't like. Its better than "theres and app for that" iPhone
- Luke Kilpatrick
I just joined FriendFeed and like it a lot.
- Mathias Staricka
Mathias - welcome :)
- Brett Kelly
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Is sharing only FriendFeed posts preferred to sharing comments as well? In Twitter, @replies are hidden from the main feed, is it worrying to contradict this practice?
- Mike Chelen
Really Secret Scoble - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
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If you really want to get good value from conversations, keep them to less than 20 people round a dinner table.
- Mark Littlewood
Interesting perspective in the smaller groups. I manage 3 twitter accounts and the latest I am only following 500 and it is the one I actually pay attention to the most because it was more select in terms of who I followed. You actually get to know people a little better per Mark's comment.
- Lyn Graft
Mark: actually I found that a group of four is the best for conversations. Any more and the conversation starts to split and get distracted.
- Robert Scoble
How many groups do you have Robert?
- Lyn Graft
I'd call this account "justrobertscoble" :) I've read your post, sound practical. After we all tested twitter for two (some of us three) years, we understand that the more we follow people the more we get lost in tons of conversations, that I (for example) not even sure I'm interested in. I don't see how any of this will change without groups. It's just too much content to digest each day. (will, i can always unfollow people I guess)
- Orli Yakuel
Lyn: just three.
- Robert Scoble
Interesting. Um, I have a secret Twitter account where I follow key people I'm interested in my industry who share valuable links and relevant information that can be used to keep track of big picture trends in a focused way. However, I don't respond on it, just keep the signal to noise ratio high so patterns are more easily discernible.
- Sally Church
So what I am hearing here from this conversation is twitter user base is inflated (I myself have 2 accounts). I however never felt the need to have 1000s of followers as most of the stuff is gibberish. I am following a very selected amount of people and I am very selective of the people that follow me. If I am engaged in conversation and I see that person that I value engaged in...
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- Richard Gallo
I was thinking about this very topic today, I have consciously kept my follows as low as possible for since I started on twitter, but have recently been considering jumping on the wagon.... Now I have a secret twitter account and starting to ramp up the numbers to experiment.
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
I love how you have Ijustine in your secret twitter group. I guess you need to keep up with all her valuable insights right? CaliLewis?
- Mark
@mark - yes - those are some of the most amazing times, dinner, a small group of folks and some interesting conversation. :-)
- Dan owns Comicsforge.com
it is just become clear to me that you actually opened a group on twitter. and for that you needed to open another account, hmm... it's not easy to navigate between two accounts (even with desktop client)
- Orli Yakuel
The maximum size of a group, in which you can "know" everyone, probably depends on the richness of the communication channel (bandwidth, opportunity for response, "liveliness" [real time?], etc). This reminds me of W L Gore & Associates lattice management approach and the way that, as business units grew, they would deliberately subdivide them to remain below of size limit of about 150, if I remember correctly.
- John W Lewis
I hear the small group argument entirely. Very good point -- I hate big conferences since I feel like I have to say hello (and goodbye) to everyone for that reason. The networking events are even more difficult. You have friends who expect you to be with them during the evening but you also want to say hi to older friends and meet new faces.
- Tamar Weinberg
This sounds like a few other business ideas: if you make a resource scarce, then everyone will want one. Or to put it another way: "There is a sucker born every minute" - How do _I_ get in ? :)
- Ric Johnson
Davis: I don't think you can prevent it from loading. I'm playing with Google Friend Connect to learn what Google is going to do to get into the social networking business. It's a little forum down there.
- Robert Scoble
Sorry, I have to speak up along with Davis - it's positioned part-way down the page (and incompletely anyway) on my iphone. The last blog post page I tried keeps crashing Safari mobile (after a minute) each time I try it.
- Micah
This reminds me of child 'rearing'. When I was much younger and my kids were little one of the things I learned when they would engage with multiple pals at the same time, still holds true today for me as an adult. Even numbers are always best with regard to interaction. Odd numbers and someone gets left out, like it or not. Pairing is natural, and I mean that literally. Multiples of 2...
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- Sheryl
weirdest thing on this one is I saw your "other" scoble account a while back, but thought it was someone else trying to mess with you in some way so never paid it any attention... :)
- Jeremy Toeman
Curiously, given that "Really Secret Scoble" spells out RSS, this hasn't hit my RSS feed, and I happened to bump into it on FriendFeed. Ever since you made the changes to WordPress, there have been issues.
- Louis Gray
I echo Jeremy as well. I thought it was a "Really Fake Scoble".
- Louis Gray
Same here. Initial impulse was to DM Robert through FriendFeed to ascertain whether it was real. Then I thought, "Duh! Search FriendFeed!"
- Hutch Carpenter
hmm... doesn't this just point to the lack of "groups" support in twitter!? I use @troynt greasemonkey script (http://userscripts.org/scripts...), which provides groups support among other things.
- Shivanand Velmurugan
I've had two groups in both Twitter and FriendFeed for months now. One is called "Influentials" (which @scoble is part of) and the other "Cool-Friends" which are people who share similar interests or affinity. I always keep 3 tabs (one for all, the other two with these groups) and have gotten a lot of value out of that approach. On Twitter I have the lists as columns in Seesmic Desktop.
- Jorge Escobar
honestly I do have multiple twitter accounts 4 different purpose, but sumtimes they do overlap, yes u r still the same person, but u r selling a brand, or a company or a non-profit or topics that r different. U need to keep track or straight.
- polou/indigo_bow
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