You can draw a Chinese character, and the computer will guess what you're trying to draw.
- Anthony Ha
"Today we are shipping Safari 4 for Leopard, Tiger, and Windows."
- Anthony Ha
handwriting recognition for trackpad!??
- Parth Awasthi
Using SunSpider JavaScript framework, Safari 4 is "multiples of IE8 speed."
- Anthony Ha
ok, but Safari 4 is, right now, slower than Opera 10 and Chrome for Mac... and needs lot of RAM... I'll give it another try, though
- Luca Filigheddu
Snow Leopard feature: crash resistance. Number one cause of crashes on OSX is browser plugins. WIth crash resistance, crashes don't affect your other windows.
- Anthony Ha
"We have an all new Quicktime in Snow Leopard. We call it Quicktime 10."
- Anthony Ha
This is clearly not my cat. If this was my cat he's have one arm shoved down into the printer trying to tear up all the internal whirling bits with his bare claws.
- Soup in a TARDIS
Too Funny! Reminds me of the San Mateo Cat Shelter where one of the cats loves to sleep on top of the laster printer where the paper comes out...
- Greg Lato
1600+ to beat the FFundercats live chat thread. I think with this real time now on all threads we're going to see some truly epic comment numbers.
- Simon Wicks
Ivan, no the picture speaks for itself. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Petr, I have no idea what you mean, but thank you. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
@Kol .. :] that, partially, might have been the purpose.... I don't know it exactly either. :] .. was I reflecting on a cat under the fax, and that it is hard to fax that way ... /?:] ... "underfaxing at its worst" ..
- pb:
there ya have me ! :] .... see, to be honest with you, i saw this pic couple days ago, but i let it go, without posting it ..... what does that make me? :]
- pb:
even a flat cat... faxes just can't handle the hair. You'd have to shave the cat first, else the hair will burn and stick to the drum... a mess! (I am extrapolating from transparencies, mind, i don't have access to a cat to test)
- Iphigenie
Hehe, Joelle. This is now tied for the 'likes' top stop. One more then, hehe. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Hehe, Greg. Blimey! Erm, is that not far from 500 likes now? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Bloody marvelous, Kol. Wish I could like it again... too cute (and help u to 500 likes).
- Roberto Bonini
I couldn't believe it when I logged on from the morning over posting it and saw it was at something 200 likes! You all have a strange fetish with cats and fax machines, hehe. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Am I the only one who saw this and their first thought was - My goodness did someone break that cats neck? It still freaks me out a little
- SteVe C
Steve, it does look a little out of place, but cats are pretty bendy. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
They fax much better if you flatten them first. What?
- The original Kevin
So we can put this post to rest now. :-) 505 likes final count, wow! :-D Good night all!
- Kol Tregaskes
did 3 people really un-like this? now at 506. wtf (edit: uh, oh, yeah, me and 2 + 506 others makes 509. dammit, jim, i'm an artist, not a mathematician)
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
One of the best funny cat pictures I've seen! :-)
- John Collis
Kristian, it appears to be. Hehe, John.
- Kol Tregaskes
ای بابا این پیشول بی خیال نمی شود، بابا پاشو برو دنبال یه بازی دیگه ، از هفته پیش تا حالا تو فکس ولو شدی حوصله ات سر نرفته، پاشو اقلا بپر رو کیبوردی چیزی
- Maryaminaa
It's really only social convention which regards it as inappropriate, same with Xeroxing it, like one does with their b__tocks. Wait are we still talking about cats cats here or...
- sofarsoShaw BAZINGA!
OMGosh 700+ likes now!! LOL. Thank you all 702 of you. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Great lines... "don't worry we still have plurk"?? (on another note he must be my favorite actor in the whole world... had me at "wings of desire" in the 90s...)
- Iphigenie
DMCA notices aren't new on Alex. I guess it just took Downfall parodies to make you aware of that...
- Spidra Webster
Yes, and as far as I know these videos have weathered this storm before and remained up after someone at YouTube wisely discovered that parody is protected as free speech.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Still works for me. Guess because I'm the owner?
- Mark Trapp
I just downloaded this one for my personal collection, rescuing it before it gets DMCA'd. (was the first vid I thought of when I heard about the takedowns)
- April
I don't mind if you save it for your personal use, heck you're well within your rights to do so, but if people are re-uploading it, that's pretty tacky.
- Mark Trapp
(Same comment here:) Ah, wait!!!! It was Hitler's birthday today (yesterday here). At Google they felt they couldn't disrespect him at such a day.
- Ton Zijp
I think it's been unblocked pending response by whatever-they-are-called, but I've also uploaded it to my Vimeo account here: http://friendfeed.com/itafrom...
- Mark Trapp
I sincerely hope that we, as citizens and consumers, realize before it's too late that our plunge toward full transparency isn't reciprocated by governments of supposedly "free" countries that are increasingly authoritarian.
"StatTweets is a like a microblog network, where users can follow their favorite team and use the hashtag #StatMe to request statistics via Twitter. It’s a pretty neat service that avid sports fans would no doubt love. In fact, according to their post on the matter, StatTweets had managed to amass over 63,000 followers from their launch date in December until two weeks ago, when they say their accounts were suspended without warning."
- Ken Sheppardson
from Bookmarklet
Is this whole account getting shut down without warning thing even news any more?
- Jesse Stay
NetMeter monitors your NICs and produces real-time, autoscaling graph of usage that can be placed on your desktop in a hovering, transparent, click-through window. It also logs bandwidth usage for as long as it's installed, so you can see how much you've down/uploaded over periods of time. I use it to keep tabs on uTorrent/eMule/Dropbox etc. without having to look at those programs themselves.
- LANjackal
from Bookmarklet
bear -- "It's often mentioned as the reason people prefer PubSubHubBub over rssCloud. By providing for a fat ping, we erase that advantage. Now the two methods are at least at parity, with an edge to rssCloud because, once CloudPipe is done, it will work for clients that are behind firewalls and NAT, and PSHB does not." -- http://scripting.com/2009...
- Ken Sheppardson
I want to know if there's going to be a cheesy RSSCloud video.
- Cliff Gerrish
Who isn't blocked by him? Welcome to the crowd...
- Bob Wyman
Brett : we're just starting to see Netvibes hooks at Superfeedr for Tumblr and Posterous's hubs :)
- Julien
rssCloud is still *different* in that it addresses pumping data through firewalls. However, there are many (including myself) that consider that a "bug" not a feature. PSHB is server to server protocol and leaves that server to client protocol as a distinct question. Thus, PSHB systems can integrate with long-polls, XMPP, WebSocket, etc. -- whatever is best for the specific application....
more...
- Bob Wyman
Chris, xmpp on AppEngine is amazingly simple. I've worked with xmpp for many years and still can't get over how easy the GAE made it to use.
- Bob Wyman
We're working on some great prototype for PBP on sports sites.
- Julien
It's just a minimal gateway example.. Julien's example or push-bot is more appropriate if you want a more pleasant experience.
- Matt M (inactive)
I'm on Skype now, sorry for the lateness, traffic hosed me
- Kevin Marks
Think of all the "mobile" apps on phones that are basically just "alerting" apps of one kind or another. Once we have a general infrastructure we'll see a tremendous number of specialized feeds being generated at vastly lower cost than what it takes to build this stuff today.
- Bob Wyman
@Bob - oops.. I keep slipping back to the Jabber name. :)
- Matt M (inactive)
RT @Darren : Would love to see YouTube PUSH :)
- Julien
Robert - Google profile idea is awesome :)
- Susan Beebe
@Robert : feed readers could already indicated that, because they know what feed is hubbub-enabled
- Julien
If Google Reader implemented PubSubHubbub, they could show that!
- Julien
Today, we have the "web browser" which is a general tool for polling data resources. It seems reasonable to assume that in the future, we'll end up with yet-another-app which is the general tool for handling push data. Some startup will have great fun inventing that general push-client application. Today, most push apps require custom code. In the future, we'll use common apps to handle *all* feeds.
- Bob Wyman
Bob Wyman : isn't it what Seesmic/Tweetdeck will eventually build?
- Julien
It's a shame that email is so fragmented and busted... IMAP already does all this stuff reasonably well. :)
- Matt M (inactive)
Mike, Julien, etc. Yes, just like there were many hypertext readers before TBL's took over the world. (I even had one....) Many people are trying to figure out what the push thing will look like. Somebody is going to figure it out, but I don't think they've done it yet.
- Bob Wyman
Bob - I remember the days before Mosaic and all of the protocol soup that was required to navigate the 'net back then
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Matt, what on earth would the benefit be of blocking real-time push? that makes no sense
- Karoli
@Brett : send them real-time pings every 10 seconds :)
- Julien
Karoli, I meant blocked from a software-development point of view, waiting for browsers to support this universally.
- Matt M (inactive)
Matt, not really. They'll work together. Server-to-Server PUSH, Server to UserAgent Websockets, Long polling, etc.
- Darren
@Matt, Long polling has been surprisingly hard. I think it really became widely known back in '98 or '99 and there has even been the mod-pubsub module for Apache since about that time -- but, it was still too hard. WebSocket will definitely make all this vastly easier!
- Bob Wyman
I've wanted to work with long-polling for a while, but it's so finicky and hard to get right. Jetty and Apache support that stuff with a bit of configuration, but it's never hit a critical mass and become as easy as bog-standard HTTP.
- Matt M (inactive)
Brett : stop moving from left to right, you're making me sea sick ::
- Julien
@bear - I've been eyeing Node.js a bit lately for that one ;) But it's definitely hard to find infrastructure that supports push over HTTP well - and each one has its own way of doing things.
- Matt M (inactive)
Push is hard in the browser right now, but I hope that with one canonical push-capable websocket standard we'll start to see better support across the board for proxies to pass it through, as well as some standard patterns for dealing with it on the server side.
- Matt M (inactive)
Google Profile - could be master social profile ...hmmm
- Susan Beebe
@Susan... "Google Profile" will only be *one* of many profile services. The cool thing about WebFinger is that it allows users to choose between many different "profile" providers that are all discoverable in the same way.
- Bob Wyman
Mobile will be a big driver for "real-time" data. Is it raining? Is my bus late? Is there a traffic jam ahead? Do I have new email? Is there news since I left the office? Has the meeting started? Is Gilmore on live? This is all stuff you want to know when you're walking around.
- Bob Wyman
Palm CEO is a dork - I've never used an iPhone - FAIL ... no wonder Palm is dying DOH!
- Susan Beebe
Google Contact sync on the iPhone/Android is a huge win for me. Mail, Calendar and Contacts are the big things I need on the phone all the time - they are always up to date.
- Matt M (inactive)
Use Google contacts EVERY day... would love a nexus one phone. I use the 'exchange' feature on iPhone for push with my gContacts
- Susan Beebe
We already use Twitter to make phone calls through Google Voice. Works great.
- Ward Mundy
Oh yea, I don't get google voice on my iPhone either Grrr
- Susan Beebe
@Susan, ditto. I started using the Facebook contact picture sync too.
- Matt M (inactive)
What's funny is that all my facebook friend's pictures ended up getting pushed back into google contacts. :)
- Matt M (inactive)
LOL --> "way above my paygrade" :) nice
- Susan Beebe
Is ping.fm heavily used? After Twitter and Facebook integration, it seems like a good idea for a third-place 3rd-party integration bit for startups
- Matt M (inactive)
@bear : I can't be the only advocate for PubSubHubbub at Seesmic :)
- Julien
We MUST have open protocols to ensure that no one can "own" your data. Where you put your data should be based on who gives you the best service, not just who you accidently gave it to first -- and you should be able to move your data whenever you want. The key is open protocols.
- Bob Wyman
i agree with matt on that. appcelerator, phonegap & rhomobile should win because they're built on the open web.
- Josh Fraser
Web apps is a very good answer, Tim. HTML5 et al
- Kevin Marks
This is like the effect the Apple Human Interface Guidelines had on GUI / HCI for personal computing.
- Cliff Gerrish
Developing different apps for iPhone, Android, Palm webOS, et al is like having to develop different apps for Firefox, Chrome, IE, etc
- Ken Sheppardson
Yea, I have 200 bucks in iPhone apps...ouch, plus the 500 bucks for the 3GS and the contract
- Susan Beebe
We'll see more of "apps" that run in the cloud which have their interfaces running on devices. Apps will be independent of interfaces. iPhone, Android, Palm, etc. "apps" will be just interfaces to common back-end apps.
- Bob Wyman
17% smartphone penetration only, more users coming online not tied down yet
- Tim Jones
@Josh - yeah, exactly.. it's like a web app+ (the plus being access to optional per-platform features)
- Matt M (inactive)
Bob: Sure, but the interface should to some extent be a function of the app, not the platform. I want gmail to look like gmail... the same interface... independent of which 3" touch-screen device I'm using.
- Ken Sheppardson
writing web apps for different browsers is now becoming trivial, but it's also taken us 10 years to get here. i wonder how much faster that will happen on the mobile web.
- Josh Fraser
iPhone developers tell me that Android is easier to build apps for
- Susan Beebe
Native iPhone and Android apps both require learning a platform first, which kind of sucks.
- Matt M (inactive)
Josh - I think it will be MUCH faster - cell phone adoption has grown faster than computer adoption ever did - and it has also made drastic advances on a faster timeline.
- Rob La Gesse
Would be slick if there were cross-platform standards for the device APIs, so my HTML5 app could just access GPS functionality, for example, and not care whether I'm on android or iphone or something else.
- Ken Sheppardson
IMHO: in 10 years, phones will ship with pico projectors and virtual keyboards/mice.
- Matt M (inactive)
@rob, i agree. it largely depends on how long it takes for apple to open up.... which probably depends on how well the nexus does on sales.
- Josh Fraser
was UI a part in selling baziilion RAZRs?
- Tim Jones
Ok that's amazing! got roughly 20 emails from people listening to the show!
- Julien
Cliff, maybe - but there are always times where you can't interact verbally with your phone (classroom, meeting setting, bathroom ;)).
- Matt M (inactive)
Thanks for the great show, all... interesting as usual.
- Matt M (inactive)
I think Palm made the best initial choice for a mobile platform overall betting on web-style apps. You can't do everything in HTML/JS, but you can do a *lot*.
- Matt M (inactive)
Missed it again. One of these days I'll set this show straight on RSSCloud!! ; )
- Matt Terenzio
I remember when everyone would complain because it would take Steve 2 weeks to post a show to the RSS feed. Now I just sit back and wait 10 days till it hits the bootleg feed and am grateful for what I can get :)
- Christian Burns
@Matthew because they found hatches that had supplies, do you not watch teh show religiously and read into every little eyebrow movement of each character like I do??
- Zulema ⋅ spicy cocoa tart
Woah. For a second, I thought the first two photos were a before/after.
- Akiva
Everyone always freaks out about how everyone on lost has been on that island for 5 years. But in show-reality, they've only been there 100ish days.. 4 months MAX.
- veo
Wow, i just did a search! that is crazy! I been getting a lot of porn spam replies with nasty profile pics, its quite embarrassing when you come home with a friend and you left your tweetdeck open and its full of it!
- Fee501st
If you let spammers follow you, this is the inevitable end result. This is why I regularly run a scan with http://twitblock.org to prevent that sort of thing.
- Otto
Otto: awesome site, you should send that into TZ for a daily tip
- Fee501st
although if Veronica enters her name into, it might kill it with her follower count
- Fee501st
Yeah, I don't know how it would react to 1.5 million followers, but it's worth a try. Could ask @timwhitlock about it, it's his site.
- Otto
Block and report them. Blocking makes them unfollow you and unable to see your tweets to use as spam. Reporting notifies twitter, and they're getting better at removing them rapidly nowadays.
- Otto
I'll try that, Otto. I've been manually going through and blocking them, but it takes forever.
- Veronica
Should be interesting to see if TwitBlock can handle scanning 1.5 million.
- Veronica
Heh, I find it highly unlikely. Definitely send a tweet off to @timwhitlock just in case, he can probably work out some kind of long-term scanner or something.
- Otto
It seems to be working! I still have to go through and manually click "block" but at least they're all in one place.
- Veronica
yea, they need to add autoblock if so many # of people have that person blocked also.
- Fee501st
V, curious minds want to know - how many did the scan find out of 1.5 million? :)
- Thomas
It's still scanning and is currently at 5772, but I still have to g and look through each one to see if they're a person or not.
- Veronica
Good news, I put your account in and you're not a bot. I marked you "not spam", just in case... :)
- Thomas
lol, same here! Although it say one twitblock user has blocked Veronica! WTF? i guess Dave is upset all about those restraining orders :\
- Fee501st
I'm actually surprised there aren't bots out there that create bogus twitter accounts just to "bomb" people with blocks...
- Thomas
one 'best practice' technique i used to adhere to (when i have more time) is to nip it at the bud. right when they follow you is when to block/screen the spam bots. if you don't they can get lost in your list -especially if you get lots of followers... w/c (thank god) i don't. :) twitblock sounds very useful too :)
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
I used to have twitter email me for each new follower, and I'd then vet each one and block if I thought they were spammy. But that takes way too long. TwitBlock offers me a great post-screening sort of feature. Also, I've noticed that since I've been blocking them, not as many follow me anymore, since they'll get reported more quickly if they do. I suspect I've been taken off the spammer auto-follow lists now.
- Otto
I say poor Veronica is on that list, knowing how popular she is
- Fee501st
This is one of the downsides of a killer app. Twitter only has so many resources right now to fight it.
- Dave Friedel
Hey Barney and Robin, it's Marshall. You may remember me from being the co-host of the most awesome couples night of all time. Seriously, from charades to Barney's fake escape attempt, it was just sucj a blast. I really can't put into words how much fun we had, but maybe a little music will help.
- ★ Soner Gönül
openff.org webdesign concept... (1280 px wide so click through to view fullsize ) / post additional features you think are needed for the home page here!
2. Participation panel with 3 actions: join the team / donate / spread the word
- vijay
3. Latest News panel: I would suggest this to be the friendfeed embed widget for the "openff" group.
- vijay
4. Top Dev panel: Shows most active contributors according to pointers along with their latest twitter updates. The one thing our project can offer is lots of attention for our devs so promoting active devs on a leaderboard is a good way to keep the activity up and running. ( Right now, I'm calling it "dev" board for lack of a nicer shortner name but the final leaderboard will include ALL contributors including non-devs. )
- vijay
5. Scroll Alert: At the right bottom is a small msg that shows up when the viewer still has some scrolling to do on the page warning them that there is MORE content on the page that is available for them to view.
- vijay
I haven't added scrollbars to the mockup. But there will be content below the fold as always.
- vijay
i think the video should be embedded within the page.. but i guess thats the case when the page goes live.
- Gtp19
yep, video will be a pop up overlay as usual. The page behaves the usual way sites these days display content, nothing extraordinary.
- vijay
Very classy. I wonder how it'd map to a "physical" website, though.
- Tyson Key
This is fixed width layout; viewable from 1024 upwards Jason.
- vijay
I think one reason for the relatively low numbers of friendfeed users was that people were uncertain as to how to use it and what value it provided over other web sites. In addition to the intro video, something like the "What can you use it for?" text on the current FF home page is needed but better written and making a more compelling case for signing up.
- Rajit
This will end quickly Forbidden You don't have permission to access / on this server. Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
- Dan owns Comicsforge.com
What will be the licence of server software ? GPL 3 ?
- Thierry Lhôte
sigh. there's gonna be a license flame war. I'll simply say: -1 to GPL
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
for better readability bodytext has to be black (or grey) (just saying...)
- minus-one
body text 'is' gray right now minus-one; nearly the same color as this comment is on friendfeed. Why, does it need still more contrast?
- vijay
from iPhone
it's slightly on a green side here (111,120,108) maybe it's not sRGB...
- minus-one
ah! ok. no probs, I'll fix that up. thanks :D
- vijay
Vij, a sidebar with best of the day entries livestream would be cool...
- Abhishek
that's a good thing to have Abi. Let's add it when we begin the coding.
- vijay
Haven't seen this before. Maybe we'll never need Openff, but if we do, this is gorgeous! Re: sidebar - like the idea functionally, worried another element will crap this up visually. It's so clean the way it is now!
- Auntie Buttinsky Botts
yeah openff seems dead from where I see it. Though it really was buzzing like a beehive when I started working on this.
- vijay
The Great Google Wave invite thread. Anyone who wants an invite post your Gmail address here and anyone who has invites available please use to invite the people on this list. There are also a bunch of requests in the Invites group here: http://friendfeed.com/invites
I have a few but holding them for a few people who have already asked me. I'm at kolint [at] googlewave [dot] com btw. A pain I know but if you can, could you update your comment when you have an account or just delete your comment. Ta! :-) EDIT: Try this site for invites: http://googlewaveinvites.com/
- Kol Tregaskes
Are people on this list getting invites or at least been told they have an invite on the way? You might have to be patient, it could take a long time for one to come through.
- Kol Tregaskes
Adam, yep agree. Maybe because I did that (month ago though) helped me get mine through from Vijay so quickly!
- Kol Tregaskes
@Kol, the invitation process seems to be based on nominations. For example, everytime someone nominates/invites you, you get bumped up the queue for an account until you're at the top and you get sent an invite by the team
- Ema Nymton
Ysabel, ah I see, So lots of people must have nominated me. Darn, so a few users I have nominated could be waiting a looooong time. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
if that voting system is right I'm very annoyed. I asked for an invite months ago, now all the numpties are all over it I'm not going to get a look in. It's like I've been sat at the front of a shop queue and everyone's just walking right past me into the shop. I am British but I detest both queuing and waiting, so this is pretty tough going
- Toby Graham
Like most other people, yesterday I wasn't aware of that I «needed» a Google Wave invitation this badly...but now I am!!! quackofdawn at gmail dot com
- noname
neternity@gmail.com and i promise to send a wave of 100,901 twitter followers to your doorstep each of whom will have averaged 1 tweet in their existence - this might not get me an invite but surely it will get some notice - must have that something special - my google wave invite special sauce ingredient is twitter juice PS Not to be construed as an offer, not valid in any of the 53 US states, do not try this at home, caution: contents are hot.
- Ross Button
Purdy Please! (expecting [dot] rain)
- Jeremy Kunz
Anyone have already a wave invite?. I'm a developers anxious to take a look at wave. jmiguel.rodriguez at gmail.com . Thank you very much in advanced!
- jmiguel rodriguez
trentono gmail com...thanks in advance, mysterious stranger...
- Trent Olson
lol at this point i gotta think that by the time an invite makes it this far down the list i may already be at the top of the official invite list but doesn't hurt to try right? marco [dot] nunez @ gmail - thanks!
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
I'm also trying. As Marco said, it doesn't hurt :) iamclem at gmail. thanks!
- Clément Simon
Hello, I would love to have a google wave invite too. ilteris@gmail.com thanks!
- ilteris
Oops! You said gmail address: marybaumcreative (at) gmail. Although I run marybaum@marybaum.com through gmail servers too.
- Auntie Buttinsky Botts
from email
I'd love an invite. I was sort of expecting to get one from Google, as I have been in all of their other betas, but to no avail :( carlton.prest@gmail.com
- Carlton Prest
Plesae send an invite! jwatson820@gmail.com
- Jonna Watson
damn, the pretty please guy will get one for sure, that steve guy @hotmail.com is likely last on the list - but we all will get one if that scobilizer guy notices that we are all here and asking and so cul cuz we are all on friendfeed - maybe if we twitter too it might help - hello google !!!!
- Ross Button
how do we know which ones are sent? I'm just doing my own thread.
- Vezquex
meemmtype at gmail dot com Thank you!
- Jonathan Kong
I would also like an invite if anyone has one -> aaron915 at gmail.com
- Aaron Berman
I'll take one if you can give it...desktopsbyduck@gmail.com
- RICHARD E. MOORE
id love an invite - allen074 - at - gmail.com - thank you
- Allen Stern
I've been too busy to get on FF the last few days....figures something important happening and I missed it! I knew about Google Wave but didn't know there would be a thread to post a request. In any case, better late than never, I'd love an invite at madeliene2007 at gmail.com. :)
- Bonnie Foster
re.renus@gmail.com somebody please send me a invitation... ^_^ : )
- Emad
wimmulder@gmail.com. Am really excited to try this out for a collaborative research project I'm working on. Hoping someone has an invite to spare!
- Wim Mulder
giuliocc@gmail.com . Keen to see if we can shake M$'s cage about messaging and collaboration.
- Giulio Campobassi
Would love an invite - jonathonc at gmail.com
- Jonathon
VitaArdiyana (at) gmail (dot) com, Thanks before Kol. I will delete my comment when i have my google wave account.
- Vimala Vita
Just digging into the comments now but let me begin by saying that you did an incredible job with this thread Kol, 473 (474 after I post) comments!
- Nicholas Kreidberg
Google Wave : Could anyone invite me ? : jean.charles.blondeau[at]gmail.com Thanks
- Jean-Charles
Would appreciate an invite. joe@joeperrin.com (Thanks!)
- Joe Perrin
System Messages Invite Status: 17559 invite requests in the system. 7 invites confirmed as received by requester. 199 invites claimed as sent from giver.
- oliv21
How does anyone know if someone has already been invited? You could go back and edit your comment when you receive an invitation, but since that takes days, it could be ages before you know.
- marziah
I've not even had a nomination, RK. At google dot com I'm suezanne , in the event anyone wants to make a nomination. I've asked before on friendfeed. It's kind of humiliating to beg.
- Sue - Friendfeed is best
i have decided that if i do indeed get an invite, i will decline, forward my gmail account to windows live and put ie back as my default browser and i will bing it
- Ross Button
@Ross: why punish yourself for something you didn't do? :)
- François Dongier
I just want some google love; just like the rest of us do; but n,o they wave at us as they have their private, invite only party; thumb to nose, fingers a waving - that's the google wave; we need a tshirt
- Ross Button
al86shaw@gmail.com :) Not expecting anything, but thanks anyway!
- Alan (Giraffes)
Send to me plz ,,, mxina.com {a} gmail {dot} com
- Mohammad Sharifi
Has anyone received their invite? I haven't yet.
- Rodericus
from email
I'd love an invite to Google Wave pls. non-geeky bf got one before me! that's just not cricket.. hehe :) icetigerza (at) gmail
- Kim
Hello, if there's any invite left, you'll make me more than happy ;-) matthieu.beauval [at] gmail [dot] com, thank you !
- matthieu beauval
Of all the people posting here the chances of me getting an invite are slim but I'm still willing to try. If someone wants to shoot an invite over to jcallahan126@gmail.com I'd REALLY appreciate it.
- John
from iPhone
Aww Did I miss the Wave of invites? Come on Kol... Hook me up! :)
- JR
It looks like it, although you might be able to use the hyperlink on the front of the Wave homepage to request an invitation, if it's still available.
- Tyson Key
Google Wave Anybody? I needz one plz... walt {dot} ruppar {at} gmail [dot] com
- JR
from iPhone
allanbesselink<at>gmail<dot>com ... please!
- Allan Besselink
I'll wager that some of the folks on this list have received their invite by now, or no longer want one - I have 16 invitations at this instant. It's probably easier for me if you DM.
- Sue - Friendfeed is best
fifiquimbo(at)gmail(dot)com. I would love one, thanks!
- Fifi Quimbo
I have 8 invites to Google Wave, if someone is interested, please DM with e-mail address. Ciao, Andrea
- Andrea Romoli
"Bliss is the name of a BMP image produced from a photograph of a landscape in Sonoma County, California, southeast of Sonoma Valley near the site of the old Clover Stornetta Inc. Dairy and Babe's Burgers and Franks. [1][dead link] It is so named because it contains rolling green hills and a blue sky with stratocumulus and cirrus clouds. The image is used as the default computer wallpaper for the "Luna" theme, which is included with Microsoft Windows XP. The photograph was taken by the professional photographer Charles O'Rear,[1] a resident of St. Helena, Napa County, for digital-design company HighTurn. O'Rear has also taken photographs for Bill Gates' private Seattle stock photography company Corbis and Napa Valley photographs for the May 1979 National Geographic Magazine article Napa, Valley of the Vine. Although O'Rear's focus was on photographing winemaking in the Napa Valley, the hill in Bliss didn't have grapevines when the photograph was being taken in 1996. The photograph was...
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- Benjamin Golub
from Bookmarklet
I'm starting to be annoyed by all the commentary on Friendfeed by people who never liked Friendfeed. Is it just their chance to say "nah-nah I told you so?" I feel like they should leave us alone to use the service how we see fit, especially since Friendfeed isn't part of the "my social media is bigger than yours" contest anymore.
Eric: there has always been waves of - to not put too fine a point on it - willy-waving, around here. Since the FB merger it has a bitter tinge to it for those of use who actually like it here.
- WoH: Minding her Steves
Starting to be annoyed? I crossed that bridge 18 months ago. :)
- Louis Gray
I still haven't crossed beyond the Bridges of Madison County.
- Micah
Michah did you know there is a great casino just south of those bridges? #justsayin
- WarLord
My all times faves are those who must posit out loud "SHOULD I LEAVE FRIENDFEED I GET NO ATTENTION?" link baiting our good natures as invariably people respond
- sofarsoShaw BAZINGA!
You mean there's a casino where the house doesn't always win? Directions please ;)
- Micah
Michah one exit south of Madison on 35 in Osceola, IA. go for it
- WarLord
Anyone can have an opinion, but so can I. I am allowed to have an opinion too. Trust me, no one is listening to me like they are listening to Robert Scoble or Dave Winer. Call me crazy, but I have a problem with the opinion that people want to tear down this service. Some of us live in this social media town. They may have built the Interstate highway around this place, and it may be...
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- Eric
It's not about tearing it down. But we report on California the same way. The schools suck. More people leave every year than come in. Etc Etc. I'd rather not pretend everything is hunky dory if it isn't.
- Robert Scoble
I also totally disagree that no one is listening to you.
- Robert Scoble
I agree with both Eric & Scoble, it's really about striving for what is better & making that which is good better, innovation happens, but in whose court will it land. Scoble's critique, brazen and perhaps misguided as it was at least prompted a reaction that's progress there.
- sofarsoShaw BAZINGA!
You're not wrong Robert. I understand you guys need to have this discussion. It's fine, but the level of discussion seems to be boiling down to making fun of Friendfeed. It's an also-ran, a nobody, get rid of it. Everyone there is a nobody. Where is J.Lo, P Diddy? If you didn't notice, some of us geeks might not respond well to being bullied out of Friendfeed. We were in the marching...
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- Eric
Robert, I can see your point, but when you say, "FF is dead." can scare people off. I love FF and will go down with it. I do admit not posting a lot here and spending more time at FB, but when people hear something is dead does send fear in them and they stop using it or they just don't even give it a chance. Everyone has an opinion and that is mine.
- Mol, FF Music Lover
Eric: that's why I've been so pissy. The truth is that many of the geeks I like listening to have already left and aren't here anymore. Visit http://twitter.com/scoblei... (I've done more than 6,000 of those since Facebook bought FriendFeed). How many of those people are here? Almost none. Out of 50,000 people who follow me here how many are actually here? Virtually none. So,...
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- Robert Scoble
...we have to leave and go somewhere else. I've largely chosen to invest a lot of time in other communities. Twitter in particular is where I've seen most of the developers and geeks and influentials that I like listening to, and studying, hanging out. Today I was at Apple talking with the guy who runs the iTunes iPhone App Team. He's on Twitter. He's not here. Why isn't he here? For a whole lot of reasons. He's also on Facebook. Why not here? Well, that's why I start "FriendFeed is dead" discussions to...
- Robert Scoble
...rile you up so you figure out what FriendFeed is good for. Maybe it no longer is good for me. Maybe it'll just be for an ultra small audience to hang out in. That's cool. But that's not what I signed up for and why I invested thousands of hours here. Anyway, I've said my bit about it. Now we'll see what happens. Onward.
- Robert Scoble
Friendfeed isn't even close to being over anyways. Uniess I have missed something. Sure, it was bought by Facebook, but that doesn't mean Friendfeed is just going to go POOF! That is unless it starts doing magic tricks.
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
Scoble, it is fine if it isn't the thing for you. Personally, I use Twitter, Facebook and Friendfeed for different things and reasons. If you don't want to be a part of Friendfeed anymore stop trying to come in and convince others that they need to leave FF and go to wherever you think they should go. I'm not totally saying you are doing that, but I do get a bit of a vibe that you are.
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
Mathew: sorry. But I helped make FriendFeed by doing that over and over and over to people over on Twitter. So there. You obviously didn't mind when I was evangelizing FOR FriendFeed, or did you? I had a lot of hate over there for doing that.
- Robert Scoble
Well, I didn't discover your presence until I came to Friendfeed, it was actually Steve Issacs who brought Friendfeed to my attention. It isn't that i don't like you trying to convince people to use another service, but I don't like people trying to convince others to leave one service entirely and move to another. There are many people who pretty much tell me that Facebook sucks and I should leave it, but I don't care, I like what i use it for and that is that. Same with Friendfeed.
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
This is what I'll miss when it's all over, these discussions. THIS is why Friendfeed. THIS is why it's important. This conversation we just had, with so many others included, intelligent people, being able to follow the whole thing easily, without the need to track down @ symbols # tags or scroll down down down to find the active discussion. We didn't need to link to external services,...
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- Eric
You helped make it. You make me so sick. You really have an inflated idea of yourself, Robert. Perhaps you did, but that doesn't make you into some sort of god here. People ought to just ignore you more. I don't know why they don't. I'd barely heard of you until I came to FF, either. Just a few negative things scattered around about you on Mashable and TechCrunch (which I've since learned that I can't trust so much).
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
@Eric Maybe we will get lucky and ALL THIS will be what Facebook pretty much becomes.
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
Kamilah: yeah, this is the kind of discourse we are going to expect, huh? Listen, this is why people are leaving. They have to put up with personal attacks like this. Sigh. I'll tell you what I've done for FriendFeed. I gave dozens of talks all over the world where I personally showed it off. At many big conferences. Many small ones. I talked about it OVER AND OVER on Twitter and on my...
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- Robert Scoble
Even the FriendFeed team admits I've done more than anyone else to get them into the position they did. You might ask Paul about that. Even better. He said it when I interviewed him after they sold to Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
@Kamilah Actually, I will have to say you are being a bit harsh. Robert did do good things for Friendfeed, he did bring many people here. We may not agree with what he is saying now, but it is his opinion and he is entitled to have it and voice it.
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
I did not say he couldn't have an opinion. He needs to learn how to not talk down to people. When I asked him a question earlier, he told me to go learn how to hide things. As if I hadn't been here since May 2008. WITHOUT ever hearing anything from him about it to get here in the first place.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Yeah, he can be like that. I don't know, I'm just tired of people bickering back and forth here. And it all stems from the acquisition.
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
Kamilah: you were being rude and I was rude back and then you escalated your rudeness. That's cool. I'm out of here. What did you do for FriendFeed to help make it a success? How will you turn around the line at http://siteanalytics.compete.com/friendf... ? It won't be me. I gave dozens of talks, invested thousands of hours here, talked about it incessantly on Twitter and my blog...
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- Robert Scoble
Scoble & Kamilah: It was straightforward, harsh, but I'd even hazard perhaps fair, who here can't say that aren't guilty of some degree of making things personal ie this post itself. @Scoble fast forwarding to today, I agree you factored in largely building FF up, but now you're perhaps factoring the same tearing it down? Yeah, it's wait & see. But I believe! Remember the butterfly. (oh & good night!)
- sofarsoShaw BAZINGA!
sofarsoShawn: you are ascribing to me too much power. Anyway, I will see you later. It's clear I'm getting too emotionally wrapped up in this. The geeks aren't here and that bums me out.
- Robert Scoble
The geeks aren't here? goes back to writing her dissertation ----->>>
- Katy S
Apparently FF's "dead" because the geeks are gone, having pronounced it dead the day Facebook took over. But while it's still here, I'm still promoting it to my relatively small Twitter following, and especially the NaNoWriMo group (as NaNo's around the corner). http://friendfeed.com/nanowri... As for that Facebook group, I just joined it.
- Dennis Jernberg
Dennis: that was a test statement, by the way. So far two people disagreed with it. Not really a good sign that I'm wrong, huh? Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
It depends what type of geek you mean, Robert. And people are probably scared off the threads this evening, too.
- WoH: Minding her Steves
Well, Robert, it is close to 2am EST, I'm willing to bet that plenty of the east coast and central US folks are in bed.
- Katy S
Eric, reading this, I couldn't help but liken parts of this convo to what it was like to do IT in the Springs. Or anything, given that everyone in Denver thinks that the Springs is some inferior city or that no one in CA thinks outside of this state, or that Silicon Valley is its own world unto itself. For anyone to declare that FF is dead smacks of this same weirdness around anyone...
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- Criz
... so my take on it is to continue building your own community where you feel comfortable. If that's here on FF, then stay at it. But I agree that all the talk of FF is dead might drive away some from using it... but then again, another audience may just jump in, right?
- Criz
I don't like how people are attacking Robert for his opinion. I disagree with him, but I'm not going to personally attack him like some people here have. Robert has just as a right to his opinion that you all have. We may not agree with it, but attacking him personally, IMHO is not cool. I still like Robert and think he's cool. I disagree with a lot of the things he says, but he just...
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- Mol, FF Music Lover
I'd like to know which geeks are gone, because the last time I checked everyone here is pretty much a geek in someway and if all the geeks left then everyone would be gone.
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
I'm not a tech geek, but I consider myself a pop culture geek. I love music, movies and TV shows. Some people my call me a Britcom geek because I love British sitcoms.
- Mol, FF Music Lover
Exactly, there are so many different types of geeks out there that you can't say that the geeks have left.
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
Mathew: sorry, I can say that. I've been tracking geek traffic here longer than anyone. And just because there are a few of us still here doesn't mean that the crowds are still here. I have 50,000 followers here, but they don't come here anymore and that's provable.
- Robert Scoble
Technically FF is FB now, so they /are/ bigger than everybody else...
- Chris Heath
I doubt all 50,000 of your followers are gone. And aren't a majority of those people just those who barely used the service to begin with? When you have that many followers on ANY service, you are going to have that issue. For example, you can't say that all your Twitter followers add something to your feed, you have those spammers, those that tweet about meaningless things and people who have barely used the service.
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
It's the built up to the Release of the Storm 2 and the new Android phone from Google.
- George Mag
Verizon hasnt made a peep about the Storm 2. I think they are going all in on this Droid push.
- William
Ha! i wouldn't open my mouth about the storm after the first go 'round. but an android phone there's something. but knowing vzw's track record i just wonder how they are going to screw this phone up.
- rob sakowitz
If it weren't Android 2.0 with a full keyboard, 5mp camera, and Verizon 3G I might not have taken notice. I think Apple is ripe for plucking and this might well be it. Of course, there are 85,000 reasons not to leave the iPhone. The Android marketplace has a lot of catching up to do but at least it's an open platform.
- Leo Laporte
I-don't care for the Android interface. Unless they've made it actually functional in *some* respect, then it's kinda pointless to advertise it. Also, bashing the touchscreen keyboard is a bad idea. Many people like it. I can go with either, myself, but a lot of people have gotten used to, and prefer, the touchscreen. With auto-correction that actually works, it's just as fast, if not faster.
- Otto
The fact that most of the discussion of Droid I've seen doesn't even mention the Palm Pre... except perhaps to say that Droid uses the same chipset... just reinforces my view that all the talk of de-throning the iPhone is a little pointless, and instead we're going to have fragmented, niche alternatives to the "mainstream" option, the iPhone.
- Ken Sheppardson
The people who are going to lash back at Apple are already doing so. Things aren't going to get any worse. AT&T is as bad as it'll ever be. The app store is as closed as it's going to get. Apple has nowhere to go but up, in that respect. While the geeked-out vocal minority might march off on some anti-Apple crusade, I don't see how "Anti-Apple Backlash" crosses the chasm, so to speak.
- Ken Sheppardson
I think the "openness" issue only matters to a tiny segment of their audience. There are 85K apps for the iPhone in just over 2 years. What is the upside of openness from a user perspective? At some point, it's all just meaningless techno-babble.
- The original Kevin
Android and webOS are to iPhone what Linux and OS X are to Windows.
- Ken Sheppardson
FriendFeed Death Watch - Hour 24: We have been able to keep it alive for a full day... well done team. I'm going to get some sleep but if anything happens, page me on my beeper.
PS... Doctor Mario kicked major ass on my GameBoy... That is all
- Johnny
PPS... Despite many years and the Nintendo DS and iPhone, I still play my GameBoy on occasion... That should be declared dead too... but it isn't... New isn't always better... or required...
- Johnny
On the other hand, no amount of evidence is sufficient for many people to change their beliefs - especially when they believe in things which can't be proven or disproven.
- iTad
from fftogo
Actually, though popularity is a poor way to arrive at truth, it is still an amazingly effective way to "win" an argument.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
It depends on the context of "win an argument". It many scenarios the number of people who believe you won the argument does determine who won the argument (if that populous is the arbiter of the contest). See what I mean?
- Micah
...Unless the argument is about how many people believe something.
- Matt Plummer
I think there is SOME relationship between truth and belief, rather than ZERO. But I agree that _argumentum ad populum_ is a fallacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...).
- Stephen Mack
Discussions aren't about winning, though, Jemm. They are about learning. Arguments are about winning.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Unless some portion of the people who believe something do so from their own observation, correct?
- The original Kevin
And it's possible that two people can observe the same thing and interpret it in different, even opposite ways, right?
- The original Kevin
Even observation alone doesn't make something true, though.
- Victor Ganata
I'd argue that observations are more valid than mass opinion though, at least in the context of an argument (unless it was an argument over what more people believed).
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Depends on the nature of the observations, and the origin of the opinions. All generalizations are bad, even this one .
- Tinfoil 2.0
I want to propose some kind of meta-belief about belief in the belief that would only be true if it was believed.
- Andrew C (✓)
Heh, LogEx, it's not a generalization at all, as Stephen Mack so kindly pointed out, it's an actual logical fallacy.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Right, but some guy on another thread, said, in effect "My observation validates my argument." Who was that, again...?
- The original Kevin
I thought some German dude long ago proved that every system of logic has inconsistencies. I would say that for every argument, observation is necessary, but not sufficient to demonstrate truth.
- Victor Ganata
Andrew, yeah. Nick, is it really possible for truth and reality to be two different things? I just think that human perception of reality always fails to encompass the complete truth.
- Victor Ganata
It's just nice to see so many agree that there is such "thing" as truth.
- Gus
Much of the truth is probably inaccessible by human reasoning, but it certainly exists in an abstract sense.
- Victor Ganata
Saying "much of truth" is assuming that truth is quantifiable or can be portioned. :) Facts and truth are different things.
- Gus
Well, there are statements that are true and can be logically proven to be true, and statements that are true but can't be proven to be so, and I think there are more of the latter than of the former.
- Victor Ganata
@Victor Who can argue with the fact that you think that?
- Gus
Yep, some statements are just unarguable, at least from the standpoint of formal logic.
- Victor Ganata
Like when engineers believe they are UI designers?
- Chris Greene
As the saying goes, fifty million Frenchmen can be as wrong as one. Same goes for any other nationality. Propaganda and advertising exploit this fallacy using the "bandwagon effect".
- Dennis Jernberg
Truths and facts are not subjective. What we think they mean and what we do with them is.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
"Truth" often changes over time, as do "facts." Even the most objective people are subject to the limitations of current knowledge. Many things we accept as "facts" today were either disputed or unknown in the past. The history of scientific discovery is rife with certainties that later turned out to be false.
- The original Kevin
In a philosophical sense, truth is very very difficult to define. Better men and women than us have tried.
- Matt G
Kevin, I would say that the truth was always the same, just that our understanding of it was limited by our knowledge at the time. In my view, truths are absolute, so if what you thought was true turns out not to be so, it is an error in judgement and not one of the cosmos.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
I would argue that a fact is something that is beyond subjective interpretation. (i.e. The earth orbits the sun.) A truth is the accepted wisdom of a people based on the subjective interpretation of the body of knowledge at any given time. That is probably not the "official" philosophical definition...
- The original Kevin
Yes, MVB just said something similar. I do not see fact and truth as frungible by the observations of man.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
The fact that people have different definitions and ideas of truth means that it is not ablsolute really. I am being pedantic though.
- Matt G
Opinions and observations are obviously not absolute. This does not mean that truth isn't absolute. Lack of understanding of a truth does not invalidate the truth.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Truth stands outside of perception, viewpoint and subjectivity.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
I agree that is how it should be, but I think that perception is reality! In a metaphysical way. What is is what humans believe and know.
- Matt G
What reality is, is another question that we have wrestled with since time immemorial. Does reality exist outside our perceptions, viewpoint and subjectivity? Do we even have the capacity to understand reality? Given that all of our senses are subject to various filters and indirect links in to the brain can we ever truly trust that what we see, feel, touch, smell and taste is truly real? Are we in the Matrix? I don't have answers to those questions beyond my beliefs.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
Yes it is about questions and thats a good thing I think. I will go and criticise you on another thread now, cant think anymore.
- Matt G
Yeah, the search for truth often results in more questions and less truth.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
Rum and metaphysics & Friday night is a match made in heaven! Thats perception.
- Matt G
Truth is that particular universal which witnesses all states at all times.
- Gus
Then how do we establish that something is a fact, since all our perceptions and measurements are subjective?
- Victor Ganata
Not all our measurements are subjective. We can quite accurately measure the passage of time, for instance. No subjectivity needed for reading a digital clock.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
I think Einstein and others may disagree with your passage of time statement.
- Brian Sullivan
No, they wouldn't. They would not say that measurement of time is a subjective factor, what they would say is that how time passes depends greatly on the speed of the observer. But there's nothing subjective about a highly accurate clock on earth and one on a fast moving satellite. The interpretation that you make when you realize that there's significant drift between the two might be subjective, but those measurements are not.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
"There is no truth, only interpretations"
- empireofno
Alex, how do you measure ticks of a clock? It all depends on the reference frame of the observer. That's the whole point of relativity, that the passage of time depends only on the reference frame of the observer, and nothing else.
- Victor Ganata
I said digital clock, Victor. :) And our atomic clocks have a very high degree of precision and accuracy. In fact nothing else we measure in this world comes close to the precision and accuracy of our modern scientific clocks.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
Another example of something that requires no subjectivity is the periodic table of elements. It's such an amazing piece of knowledge in it's conciseness, accuracy, precision and breadth of knowledge. It truly is a marvel of our modern world.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
I'm not gainsaying the fact that inanimate objects can have identical precision and accuracy of measurement. My main point of contention is that human perception is inherently subjective. The whole premise of the time dilation experiment involves two clocks with identical mechanisms, with identical precision and accuracy. But the result of the experiment is that what I see on the same clock will be different from what you see.
- Victor Ganata
And while I agree that the table of elements is an awesome example of the power of observation, it doesn't by itself prove that electron orbitals are fact.
- Victor Ganata
In order to make the claim "It's all subjective" or "There is no truth, only interpretations" you must first assume your claim is absolutely true - unless you are lying. In other words, you cannot make a "truth claim" that denies truth without contradicting yourself even before you open your mouth.
- Gus
I didn't make that claim, so I don't have to defend any sort of contradictions.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
I'm not claiming "it's all subjective" or "there is no truth, only interpretation." I'm only claiming that our ability to comprehend truth is limited by the fact that human perception is subjective, and much of truth is inaccessible if you're only using formal logic.
- Victor Ganata
I agree most facts and states in the Universe are inaccessible to humans. However, a limit on knowledge does not necessarily mean a limit on sensing truth. A child can sense truth. A child can be right about something while the rest of the world is wrong.
- Gus
Question [ 01 ] - Andrew Branagan in Carteret NJ reports an Adobe "Patch Tuesday Headache"... Good (Wednesday) Morning, Steve, Just wanted to point out that even though adobe DID release their quarterly update, they are not making it easy to distribute the update. They are dragging their feet on releasing a .msi package for version 9.2. When you go to their site and enter your...
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- Leo Laporte
Question [ 02 ] - Two Listeners had related questions: Patrick McAuley in Guelph (near Toronto), Canada has a Man-in-Middle Question: Hi, Steve. I'm not really a techie, but I have been listening to Security Now for a couple of years now and I've learned a lot about keeping myself safe online. Last week's show with Alex subbing for Leo was a great one, but a bit scary, as you revealed...
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- Leo Laporte
Question [ 03 ] - Jean-Matthieu BOURGEOT in Tarare, FRANCE had an interesting idea for securing public WiFi hotspots: Dear Steve and Leo, Listener from day 1, love the show, been learning soooooo much with you guys. Here is an idea for securing public WiFi hotspots that came to my mind (not sure if that would work): On public WiFi hotspots, users obviously do not need to have their...
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- Leo Laporte
Late to the show, but Leo: did you happen to mention to Steve that you don't use anti-virus software on Windows? (re yesterday's MBW)
- Ken Sheppardson
Question [ 04 ] - Jason Learmouth in Sydney Australia has some thoughts about the "Broken Browser Model" Hi Steve and Leo, I listened with great interest to your discussions on the state of play with secure browser sessions and the session hijack trojan that is out there stealing people's money. Steve, you mentioned in one of your listener feedbacks that the authentication needs to be...
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- Leo Laporte
Ken: Steve and I talk about this all the time. He doesn't use AV or security software either.
- Leo Laporte
Neither does Bruce Schneier - Bruce doesn't even use a firewall, but I'm not that crazy.
- Leo Laporte
Question [ 05 ] - Dale Willer in the Kansas City area asks about ARP Spoofing on a home network?... In episode 217 it wasn't clear if the ARP spoofing attack and the scenario presented in that episode is a threat on a home LAN behind a router. My first impression was that it was only a threat at public hot spots such as airports, Starbucks, etc. Later in the episode I wasn't so sure. Please clarify. Also, one way to protect against this at a public hot spot is to always use your VPN, if you have one.
- Leo Laporte
Interesting. I always just install AVG free when I set up a new machine, but I don't think I've had my AV software flag a threat in the past... sheesh... 10 yrs or so...
- Ken Sheppardson
Question [ 06 ] - John Clayton in Billings, Montana reports that Astaro has upgraded their free home-use licenses! Hi Steve and Leo, I know that Astaro is one of your longest and most loyal advertisers on the show, so I thought your listeners might be interested in this news: For the longest time I had used Astaro on an old PC as my home firewall using their free home user license....
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- Leo Laporte
Question [ 07 ] - Alan Goldstein in Franklin, Mass comments on our "Broken Browsers" Hi Steve, I'm a Spinrite owner and fan - it has saved me many times, including helping me get more than an extra year out of my Pentium 4 desktop - that's a great return on my $90 investment! This was a great episode and it made me think that both Internet Explorer and Firefox should do more to clearly...
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- Leo Laporte
I have a small business and have forms on my website that collect cc#s from customers. I've been using Wufoo forms. I create the forms on Wufoo and embed them with Java Script code on my website. Wufoo Claims that any info entered into their forms are 128-bit SSL encoded even if the page I'm embedding the form on is not using https:// .. I was wondering if Steve could comment on Java Script embedded forms.
- Jeremy Snavely
I bought an inexpensive godaddy SSL cert and it causes browser warnings in IE7. It works fine in every other browser but not IE7!
- Jeremy Snavely
Tease: Microsoft ships its biggest update ever, Comcast has its eyes on you, and Steve answers your questions.
- Leo Laporte
ENJOYING THE SHOW FROM GEORGIA haveing a pleasunt day and yall
- daveccorey
hey leo is there any freind feed aps 4 iphone that u know of
- daveccorey
Leo, what was Steve Gibson talking about in episode 218 regarding security essentials changing the hosts.ini file? I cant find any info on this and I havbe three computers that can't browse the web after installing it but can still resolve dns, ping to the net and even get windows updates. I'm pulling my hair out on this one and security essentials is the only thing they have in common.
- Scott Fiduccia
Dell's distinction between "For Home" and "For Small and Medium Business" drives me nuts. How 'bout you just show me all the options and let me decide for myself?
Item 1: Update on our Windows 7 launch party Ed Bott, Mary Jo Foley and Tom Warren are all onboard. Will be held at 6:00 pm the day of the launch at "Antarctica" ... everyone is invited Windows 7 giveaways Related: PC market share stats from Q3 2009 - and whether Windows 7 will help
- Leo Laporte
They seem to be running anywhere from $100-300.
- Steve Mesik
Item 2 Zune HD: The morning after Some misgivings about Microsoft's excellent digital media platform Hard to recommend something that competes with the iTunes/iPod ecosystem
- Leo Laporte
Noooo! If we lost Paul we've lost the war. :( haha j/k
- Steve Mesik
Item 3: Microsoft's Dangerous Sidekick failure Hey it could be worse *cough* Snow Leopard
- Leo Laporte
New HitchHiker 6 Book author is Eoin Colfer an Irish Man
- Paul Roche
Item 4: Windows Mobile 6.5 What went wrong ... and can Microsoft fix this?
- Leo Laporte
Audible pick of the week: And Another Thing... by Eoin Colfer New sequel to the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (Part 6 in the trilogy) http://www.audible.com/adbl... "An Englishman's continuing search through space and time for a decent cup of tea."
- Leo Laporte
Tip of the week: Going to Windows 7? It's time to adopt AAC, H.264 Last year, I recommended MP3 over AAC for audio and tentatively recommended H.264 for video. But if you're moving to Windows 7, there's no reason to look back
- Leo Laporte
Software pick of the week: DisplayFusion Multi-monitor enhancements for Windows (XP, Vista, 7). Primary reason: Different wallpaper on each screen, or one image that spans both screens There's a free version and a paid version that does more http://www.binaryfortress.com/display...
- Leo Laporte
Tease: This week on Windows Weekl 126... It's one week til Windows 7 and Paul's ready to party, Danger Sidekick users Danger!, and the case for AAC. Windows Weekly is next!
- Leo Laporte