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#gnomedex "Surface" badge sex: - http://ourdoings.com/roberts...

August 21 from Robert Scoble - Comment - Like - Share

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Annother cool innovation at Gnomedex: everyone has a little card. You drop it on the Microsoft Surface table. Then you can drag your contact info to other people's cards. It is badge sex. A lot more fun than business cards. - Robert Scoble

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I totally want one of those surface tables. Let's go MS, drive that price down so I can have one in my living room. - Ryan Jones

Very cool. What Swine Flu?! ;-) - LA

It's definitely a sexy demo. - mikepk

BADGE SECKS!!!! - Andru Edwards

Robert Scoble

Talk about Facebook buying FriendFeed here (on FriendFeed, of course):

August 10 from iPhone - Comment - Like - Share

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I'm not sure what it means, but I hope the goodness of Friendfeed stays intact. - Tom Landini

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About time! - Rob Haas from iPhone

I guess Facebook just got real time search engine! - Robert Scoble from iPhone

What do facebook get out of it? - Ruchit Garg

Fact or fiction? - Jason Cronkhite from iPhone

I haven't seen likes and comments stream real-time this fast before. - ydfeed

It depends on who lays claim to our posted and aggregated material. - jcunwired

it could work. if Friendfeed completely replaces Facebook - Edgar Rodríguez

I think it's a brilliant move, although bringing this into the Facebook walled garden would ruin it. - Derek Shanahan

how much for? - Ruchit Garg

Is it true Robert? - Kevin Whalen

BAD 'n SAD :(( - sid 【ツ】

Great match to take on the Twitter machine. - Ryan Cummins

what is next..facebook killing twitter integration...SCORE....?? - Denis

++Edgar - Ryan

Presumably a technology acquisition then, Facebook is buying the team and the tech. - DGentry

Good for Facebook, BAD for us. NOOOOOOOOOOOO - Nir Ben Yona

I don't like it - Jason Hargrove

Bad news, if true. - LogEx

Just because Facebook bought Friendfeed, doesn't necessarily mean they will do anything with the service. At least maybe not right away. People need to chill out. - Alex Knight

hope it doesn't mess w/ twitter integration - Ken Seto

makes a lot of sense - f.b. now has a power house of real-time all-stars. fixes many of the feature 'wish' lists for f.b. - actually a major positive sign for innovation. congrats to the F.F. team. - michael sean wright

How can i shut down my ff account? - Fotis Alexandrou

I need a few hours and possibly large amounts of chocolate - Bwana ☠

If you are right, that "Facebook just got real time search engine", that is good - as FB really, really needed it for a long time. - Bora Zivkovic

:( - Sinem Co

yes, this is fast. Reminds me of a few hours ago when I was on Freenode - Ian Tindale

There goes your data. - Jason Hargrove

This will probably be bad. like all purchases, it will be an "afterthought" and never be fully allowed to develop and flourish. - Ryan Jones

Man this is really SUCKS!! :((( we all know Facebook strategies on the web :(( Whey will drive FriendFeed to the helll and I'm pretty sure of this :((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( BAD SUCKS SAD :((( - FFTornado

Funny thing is, if you posted about this on Facebook, 99.9999% of it's users would go "huh, what's FriendFeed anyway?" - Richard Matthias

It almost seemed inevitable since Facebook has been copying so much of Friendfeed in recent months. It's good for the founders of FF and may benefit those of us who use both on a regular basis. Maybe they'll just leave FF alone? - Kenley Neufeld

someone tell me what they will do with it? Nothing maybe? Kill it, maybe? - Francine Hardaway

Wonder how they'll integrate, separate services with more interaction or FF swallowed by Facebook. - Steven Cains

Buy as is use it's IP and close it down or run as separate business? Either way, didn't see that coming. - Keith Bennett from BuddyFeed

It was bound to go down. Like we used to say on the block shootin' dice "Big Bank Take Little Bank" - professor daddyo

I do, however, wish tha tmore sites would implement this commenting engine. - Ryan Jones

Fotis: haha, wait too long, and you'll never be able to close your FF account ;) - Jason Hargrove

not believing it until another source confirms... - Benton

Congrats to the friendfeed team. Worried about the future though. - Andy Roth

Whats FriendFeed anyways? - Marco Horta

so that Facebook can maybe copyright the "Like" button? lol - Than R

How are we going to abbreviate it now? FBFF? FFFB? F^3B ? - Harry Wolff

I receive the breaking news via BNO News at this moment: Facebook acquires FriedFeed... - Torsten Eckert

haha you're right Richard - Ken Seto

Wow - Rodfather

I am stuck in Texas and have not confirmed myself. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

OMG. - Nathan Chase

maybe they can implement threads? - Jeremy Toeman

It looks like a defensive move. I think it's better fro FB to acquire FF than incorporating twitter functionalities in their status feature. - Pablo Paniagua

double wow. - Brian Daniel Eisenberg

Friendbook? Facefeed? - Jeff Harbert

If it's true, I suspect FriendFeed as we know it will be gone, but Facebook will be greatly improved. - Costa Walcott

bah. i will go do something else. this news isn't helping - Edgar Rodríguez

trying to look on the bright side - maybe we'll get those iPhone/Blackberry apps for better access to FriendFeed - Stuart Miniman

But if it isn't true we would have heard by now. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

apprehensive about this - Liz Polay-Wettengel

Official: http://friendfeed.com/friendf... - Brandon Titus

I want to hear the $$$ number - moo yu

Congrats to ff team...but how does this work? I have 2 different accounts...and I like it that way...I don't want to share/spam my friends on facebook with what I have here... - brainno722 (Peter)

@robert no we wouldnt have - Jeremy Toeman

It's official: http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009... - Costa Walcott

Originally posted this to your other FF/FB post before you astarted this one: I don't see the point of Facebook acquiring FriendFeed. They are pretty much identical services (well, FF represents just the News Feed portion of Facebook) I don't see how they can incorporate FriendFeed into Facebook. If they really did buy it, then I see this as them going for programming talent more so... more... - Christopher A. Wichura

From FF blog http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009... - Tom Landini

I'm hoping this improves Facebook (just like everyone else). Facebook has gotten horrible stale for me of late. - Harry Wolff

Bad bad bad bad bad bad ::runs screaming down the hall:: - Kandeezie from fftogo

What's looking shiny and new now? :-) - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

This stream itself is the evidence of WHY Facebook bought FF. - Steven Walling

I've been needing a reason to get re-interested in Facebook, this could be it. - JonInteractive

Friend management will need to be enhanced/overhauled. Otherwise, the noise will make the combined product unusable. - Peter Ghosh

No! I am going to cry! I HATE FACEBOOK! I have a Facebook account, but FriendFeed is way better. Life is over! Apocalypse. - Zachary TG

Seriously, how can i shut it down? - Fotis Alexandrou

We'll have to wait for more details to see exactly what Facebook is planning to do with FF. - 321

Bodes badly for FriendFeed. --rj - Roger Jennings

Bad bad bad bad bad bad ::runs screaming down the hall:: - Kandeezie from fftogo

I think this is more of a "send the friendfeed traffic to facebook" than any kind of technical leverage. My biggest concern here: in order to exchange dialogue with people on facebook I need to be friends with them vs. being able to do it on friendfeed without having to friend them up. I find this valuable as there may be a topic or 5 that I want to engage with user "X" on, but I don't... more... - Erik Boles

I am disappointed by this news... I don't like Facebook at all... And I'm afraid they will just kill FriendFeed with their awful cluttered interface... - Fa La La La Lindsay

It depends on how they integrate it. Did they buy it for the search engine, or did they buy it as a potential for extending the reach of Facebook into real time conversations? It's all about the life stream now right? So probably Facebook's attempt to stake a claim there. - Tony "Frosty" Welch

bad days are coming - Ahmet Soyata

Fotis, why do you want to shut down our FF account? - Alex Knight

This is bad news for Yahoo 360°. Oh wait, too late. - Ian Tindale

Bad bad bad bad bad bad ::runs screaming down the hall:: - mary

Crap! - Zachary TG

This is disgusting. - Zachary TG

First of all, I love the name "Facefeed." ROFL Second, this is business boys. Happens all the time. Why do you think innovation keeps happening. FB will integrate or kill off FF, and something else will happen. It's a natural cycle. - Francine Hardaway

For a second I thought it was a joke, but then I checked Friendfeed's Blog. http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009... Damn it. - Alejandro

Nir Ben Yona +1 - Muge Cerman

Turmoil - Ian Tindale

wondering if i should continue aggregating all my online activity in frienfeed now that facebook owns it!! - Gtp19

I can't begin to process this right now. Too much work to focus on. Later when I read this 10,000 mile long thread and have a glass of Cab in hand. - Michele Lorito-Chase

Geeks and fb not a good mach - thomas elton from iPhone

We fear change - Ian Tindale

Not feeling real good about this, hope fully Facebook will do right by the FF community, but I'm not holding my breath. Glad for the FF team though - Kim Landwehr

Twitter dissed again. - JonInteractive

if you look closely at FF the large majority of FF posts are twitter posts, so there was not that much original content on FF in the first place... - Ingmar

So FB failed to buy Twitter, - so they buy FF which is just a UI for twitter.. - Nick Halstead

Makes a lot of sense for Facebook. And we find this very healthy ^^ - twitscoop

People need to stop freaking out. The Facebook/Friendfeed buy out was just announced. Wait for details people. - Alex Knight

It could be bad, it could be good. As long as Facebook doesn't try to port their functionality over, I'm fine with it being a financial acquisition. - Adam Reyher

Crap, its official ! - Peter Dawson

This is really bad... a wonderful tool based on killer technology will go over into this mass market teeny poking culture. Bah! - Markus Tressl

then again it is great for linking FB, TW, flickr and so on - Ingmar

Here is the FF post on the acquisition: http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009... - Mrinal Desai

Great, why did I bother creating an account here? I could have held out. - desinole

if this is true, for the love of god, please don't Facebook go and mess up FriendFeed as they have their own system, Facebook is a mess these days, Friendfeed is one of the 2.0 sites that actually has concentrated on doing a few things well, complete opposite to Facebook. - Carl Grint

I suppose Friendfeed was considerably lacking in LOLcats. - Ian Tindale

Cuz we all know that facebook doesn't respect user's privacy and you've got basically everything on ff, youtube, twitter, digg whatever you do - Fotis Alexandrou

http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009... - tollie williams

Paul Buckheit will now be a house husband:-) - Francine Hardaway

Confirmed by FF http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009... - David Peacock

Smart for Facebook but I prefer Friendfeed the way it is.What, we'll be throwing rabbits next? - Janet Fouts

FriendFeed listens to the community. Facebook doesn't. Not to mention they're ENTIRELY different communities. - Adam Reyher

If true, congrats to the FF Founders! - Jason Cronkhite from iPhone

If they keep FriendFeed as a separate site, and still upgrade regularly, this is fine. If FriendFeed winds up in the dead pool, then it sucks. - Steve Sill

Maybe I should rediscover my Orkut account. - Ian Tindale

I was just thinking how Friendfeed had stayed out of recent takeovers, mergers and hence cyber attacks. Will Friendfeed now be taken over by celebs and spammers too? - Nils Geylen

Not sure why this news makes me nervous. Please tell me it's going to be ok Scoble... - Lucas

FF has been FB's incubator for awhile. - Peter Warnock

it's true damn!!!! - Edgar Rodríguez

How can I spam on this thread please ? Any idea ? - Toucouleur

Quickest/Biggest thread ever - Ian Tindale

Facebook has ZERO respect for users' wishes... Friendfeed is incompatible with that. Friendfeed will be going away. :( Their blog post says as much: "FriendFeed.com will continue to operate normally **for the time being**. We're still figuring out our longer-term plans for the product" - tollie williams

Ideally, FB will leave FF to do the sweet innovating they are doing and just take the awesome features and put them into FB - Ryan

This is the first time I've used Friendfeed in a year. Good move on their part. - chantelle

How Much ? $$$ ;-) - Jacopo Gio

I'm heading back to Jaiku where it's nice and quiet - Ian Tindale

So, where do we migrate to now? - Byron McCollum

FriendFeed functionality on Facebook would be nice. The reverse, not so much. They're trying to address two entirely separate purposes and as such, need to remain completely separate. - Adam Reyher

back to the twitter - emresezgin

I want numbers. how much did facebook pay? - Zac Bowling

soon friendfeed will = Jaiku - johnny2009

Hum...let's see what happens. - Chip Hanna

Stay here until FB does something dumb with FF - Ryan

The rhetoric seems a bit too "Facebook will do what they want with us" and not "we will remain FF and continue forward". Seems as if FB went for the tech and we could lose FF as a seperate entity. Boo. - Derek Shanahan

confirmed by facebook press release. - Zac Bowling

Love 'em or hate 'em....Facebook made a phenomenal purchase. - Kevin Pruett

I see a ton of Wall Spam. Facebook users just don't get it when you port your twitter updates over. There is too much for them to wrap their heads around. This will be a hard transition. - Ryan Cummins

And I was REALLY getting fond of FriendFeed. From now on only downhill applicationwise? - Bart

Not happy about this. I use Facebook, but don't like it. It reminds me of AOL from 10 years ago. - David Sharpe

I agree that I don't want FB to mess up FF, but this will also give FF a higher profile and bring in many more users...which we may or may not like, judging by what happened on Twitter. I hope FF doesn't die off like Jaiku because I really think FF offers a more valuable and useful interface. - Cathryn Hrudicka

One thing to consider is this: If we have "trusted" the FriendFeed people not to screw things up, hopefully we can trust them to make sure they're still in control in the terms of the acquisition. - Adam Reyher

What's it going to be called? Failbook? - Ian Tindale

Its going to be called Facebook. - DGentry

I hope this is a joke.. Damn it, I dont like Facebook now there is nowhere to go... F*** - Jacque

I am trying to imagine how this will be a good thing for existing FF users. It feels so right and so wrong all at once!...Maybe at least my kids and wife will finally get what I've been ignoring them for over the past year. - Thom Kennon

FeedFace - Ian Tindale

Is that means we're going to see more extremist groups around, now that FB has acquired FF? - Nir Ben Yona

so where do all the cool kids go now? we need another startup, stat! - h1ro

I am afraid... what johnny2009 have said can really be the future... soon friendfeed will = Jaiku - Ahmed Mubbashir Khan

Damn,I've just"got friendfeed,and i love it.I definately don't like facebook.What does it mean for twitter? - Paul Downing

Any investors want to predict the buyout price? - Kevin Pruett

am gonna wait for google wave... coz in facebook, i cant access the complete stream for a month ago, the site goes down very often while browsing, and privacy issues galore!! congratulations for friendfeed but its jus me!!! - Gtp19

Maybe we´re seeing here one of FriendFeeds biggest discusions ever. I´m sceptic about the future of FF as a standlone service... - Torsten Eckert

What concerns me most is what happens to my friends here (and that I have to interact with my friends THERE). Will we have to be friends to interact in the same way we have the last couple of years? - jcunwired

This is very good for FriendFeed as long as Facebook doesn't corrupt them. I would have preferred to see Google buy FF but I know with their focus on Wave I don't think it would have been a good fit. I like the Facebook platform, but they have done too many shady things in the past for me to trust them. - Adam Teece

all of the conversation is happening on FriendFeed and Twitter - nothing on Facebook. Think we'd scare away Facebook if everyone starts having lots of conversations there - like on Scoble's fan page? - Stuart Miniman

They can or don't have to fix FF's FB app now. - ydfeed

Is Twitter going to buy Myspace? - marcus bösch

Ha Stuart - great point *Facebookers take cover* - Kimberle Kelly

That does it. I'm going back to usenet. - Ian Tindale

What's next- Macy's buying Gimble's? - Thom Kennon

Apple buys China - Ian Tindale

what do you think Robert? - courtney benson

All I can think of is now a lot of people can feel the pain the dedicated Pownce community felt, but at least you're not getting shut down, just yet. - Mike Lewis

I'm not a big facebook user, but my gut feeling is that like twitter buying summize, it will mark the end of major innovations. I hope I'm wrong. But they should totally go with the facefeed mashup name. - motownmutt

I dont see any potential for competition with twitter FB and Twitter serve different purposes as does FriendFeed - iluvblackwomen

Sorry but renaming Facebook to 'Facefeed' is utterly stupid. - Alex Knight

It'll be called ScobleFeed - Ian Tindale

does making google reader more social has anything to do with this buyout??! - Gtp19

yeah this was good for facebook. bad for anyone who liked friendfeed. - Liz

FriendFeed is very good, a better way to use Twitter & etc. Knowing this, I still rarely use FF. Not going to start using Facebook more. - Nicole

Actually, this could be death for Twitter when you think about it. The people I know who are in FB are not likely to add TWO more nets to their lifestream. FriendFeed makes more sense for them. Maybe Twitter just stays as the dumb pipe it's become for many of us here. - Thom Kennon

Echoing what others have said - My guess: Facebook will get better, Friendfeed will get worse, Twitter will matter a lot less. - Matthew Blaisdell

Good for FB UI and search, questionable for the FF community and its independent spirit ... - Bo Stern

last comment 2 hours ago on FF by Paul Buchheit, FF CEO, was just " :)" http://friendfeed.com/paul #friendbook - Jacopo Gio

The main reason why I came to FF was because when I tried to treat FB the same as FF, i was talking to a wall. At least people interact here. At FB, it's all about the cheesy games/apps. - Matthew Horton from iPhone

http://friendfeed.com/sunipey... - emresezgin

Just like most acquisitions, it could be good and it could be bad. I trust that FriendFeed will live on as FriendFeed, only sharing their tech with Facebook. Possibly more integration between the two sites. If you were FF/FB, what would you do? - Nick Humphries

Twitter, Friendfeed and Facebook are three entirely different animals. Facebook eats Friendfeed and poops out little bits of content that once belonged to us. Twitter continues to thrive as the broadcast conversation-wannabe that it always was. - jcunwired

Nick - think again. Its going to go away - read the tea leaves in this statement: "Your data will not go away any time in the near term future - we are committed to our users" - Bret Taylor in this post https://friendfeed.com/friendf... - jcunwired

Please no. I don't like FaceBook... - Svartling

We need a Friendfeed alternative: http://www.fftogo.com/e... - Marcos Marado from fftogo

Facebook must want real time soc-net search badly... - martin smith

The biggest thing here, at least within the Twitter context, is that this merger will combine 'verified' identity (in terms of Facebook user ID being slightly more 'real' than Twitter) with real time status updates. - Dan Patterson

I'm looking forward to what this brings to Facebook. I have enjoyed both networks but wondered when FriendFeed/Facebook would face-off and/or be absorbed by the other. I think FriendFeed's tech will improve the Facebook experience. - Jacob Sloan

FriendFeed + Twitter = disruptive. FriendFeed + Facebook = one more app for FB . Facebookers dont know the power of FriendFeed. I agree with : "" So FB failed to buy Twitter, - so they buy FF which is just a UI for twitter.. - Nick Halstead "" - Rocky

Most likely scenario is Facebook assimilates the FriendFeed guys, has them work on improving Facebook newsfeed/realtime/status, and lets FriendFeed die a slow unmaintained death. - Richard Akerman

Well, my friends on FB doesn't give a damn about sharing links, news, pics, vids etc. So I'm not sure how I will use FB+FF now. I don't think FriendFeed will exist, just implemented in Facebook. The name FriendFeed will die. And: on FB you don't want the whole world to see everything you're doing, just your friends. And it will stay this way. So the question is: Who will build the new FriendFeed? - Patrik Johansson

Do this mean, by the way, that we (the FriendFeed users) should start to connect with each other on FB? How will they like that? People who get's 2-3 maybe 4000 connections? - Patrik Johansson

Robert, it means all the time you invested building friends lists and updates there will go to Facebook :-) - Loic Le Meur

could someone start to develop a Frienfeed clon , please ? ASAP ! - Rocky

Seems bloody terrible from this users perspective. Good for Friendfeed the company though. - Quasar

Given Facebook's past, this could be really bad. Given FriendFeed's past, this could be really good. No real way to speculate without talking to the FF crew. - xero

+3273 Quasar! (one for each of my Likes, already on a death march) - jcunwired

Robert, do you know if Facebook is going to put on limits here at FF??? Oh crikey... so much for our citizen journalism here.... Admittedly I am bummed. Uber bummed. - Arleen Anderson

EndFeed. - Alex Schleber

your blog is the most important thing you can own on the web. these sites can come and go. it's a great social point but true friends you've made here you talk outside of ff, right? - Terry O'Fee from BuddyFeed

It's a good time to sell to Facebook, cause Google Wave is imminent and is going to destroy all of Facebook, Twitter and FriendFeed. I think FriendFeed employees might even go back to Google eventually as soon as their contracts with Facebook are up. - Charbax

Robert - wow. just wow I am stunned. Sorta sad actually. I love FF innovation and don't want to see that stop !!!!! - Susan Beebe

(RE: Your tweet earlier) When you say the minor league team going to the majors, I don't always feel that this is a positive thing. As in this case, it's like Ferrari being acquired by Ford. I don't think I like this acquisition. - Richard Merritt

the free ride couldn't last forever. I know it sucks that things will change, but they've got a lot more sense than Twitter has about these things.. - Terry O'Fee from BuddyFeed

You must all assimilate to the new FaceFeed - Jonathan.Rivera

From what I'm gathering, this acquisition is more about FB acquiring the talented engineers of FF than it is about the FF software itself. A smart play by FB. Unfortunate for us that value FF. I personally feel that FB is just slowly becoming the new Myspace. Which I don't think I need to explain how lame that is. - Richard Merritt

According to WSJ — FB paid $50 million — a mix of cash and stocks. http://bit.ly/SVTA5 - Richard Merritt

If you ignore all the crappy apps and just comment and post photos, your main feed on Facebook is fundamentally a pretty similar experience to FriendFeed - people post stuff, people comment on it. That is, at-least, the way my network tends to use Facebook. The main difference is that Facebook defaults to being very closed and private while FriendFeed defaults to being very open and... more... - Edward Coffey

edward - pretty much. it's FF for the layman. remember back in the day they used to have forums too? - Terry O'Fee

friendfeed is very cliquey. you have your group of people who usually gather round for conversations. now imagine some of this friendfeed stuff in facebook. done right it will help them a lot. - Terry O'Fee from BuddyFeed

I don't think I am liking this but FB does need to add the "edit" feature like on here. - Marika Dye

FriendFeed is Facebooks Summize. It’s All About Search. http://bit.ly/11ZW6l - paul mooney

Thinking Out Loud: Echo issues during a high profile tech show http://www.talkshoe.com/talksho... - Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic

FF acquisition is expected. But, as a user, I would be bumned, if FF would become a feature of FB. As, I tend to use Twitter as my social network and not FB. - Vasu Srinivasan

It doesn't make much sense talking about 'Facefeed" and 'Friendbook'... Facebook simply bought a cool 12-people company called Friendfeed for its great search technology paying 15M plus some shares, which is really very cheap in this context, given the value of FF's technology (as it is perceived by us). They are also hiring the talented FF team, which makes the deal even more interesting for FB. Probably there are also some deeper hidden motives and implications that I am not able to get. - Liviu Barbat

I would love it if Facebook integrated the FriendFeed features. I would love it if Facebook had FriendFeed's flexibility with Facebook's privacy control. It sucks that the world may lose FriendFeed, but it is great the Facebook will likely get better. - Andrew

Andrew, Facebook will get better - over time. There won't be any Vulcan website meld of FB and FF overnight. - Bill Sodeman

thank god someone understands that, andrew. it's like "i liked this band better before they went to a major label!" ;) - Terry O'Fee

Bill - But we can dream, can't we? :) I mean, what I love about Facebook is that I'm interacting with my friends as my friends, not as usernames and avatars. But I hate their bookmarklet, the weird delays when I post anything, the comment system, and I hate the Photo gallery tech. I love the FriendFeed community, but would love bringing the FriendFeed technology over to Facebook even more. If only Facebook could buy Flickr next... - Andrew

as long as fb start thinking in creative commons terms... one day .. - Terry O'Fee

they are both great services I think will be a good thing - Logan Lindquist

oh NO! I don't spend much time at FB (everybody there's too busy playing stupid games, at least in my little network), and besides it's more private unlike FF. And now they've gone and bought FF? And I just joined! I guess I won't be around here for long, since FF won't... - Dennis Jernberg

I don't like it... - Harry Mahardhika

No mention of Yahoo. Totally irrelevant these days. Sad. - Scott Schnaars

This deal makes sense! Now fb developers do not need to figure out how ff does it because they can just ask! - Garin Kilpatrick

One of my facebook accounts got closed up. Into this account I fed my friendfeed. And into friendfeed I fed for example my socialmedian shares, diggs, stumbles etc. - Wilhelm Bauer

Time for the next generation app. *Taps foot impatiently for Google Wave* - Karen Masullo

I don't think it's about getting Friendfeed it's self; but having the developers and the information about real-time search. - Chris Martin

Robert Scoble

Here is why I have two Twitter accounts and what I'm learning:

July 22 - Comment - Like - Share

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1. Because my main account needs to follow everyone who is following me for DM reasons. - Robert Scoble

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2. But that means I can't closely follow my friends and people I've met face-to-face. - Robert Scoble

3. Following 100,000 means you'll only randomly see Tweets, and you'll miss too much good stuff. - Robert Scoble

4. There's no way you can completely follow more than a few hundred people. So, if you've followed more than 1,000 you need two accounts. - Robert Scoble

5. I've been using this technique here on FriendFeed for more than a year and it really rocks (FriendFeed lets you split your friends up into lists, while Twitter forces you to get more than one account). - Robert Scoble

http://twitter.com/notsecr... is my second account. - Robert Scoble

or use TweetDeck, right? I haven't used it, but I understand it lets you group/prioritize the people you follow - Joshua Maurice

Scoble, this solution doesn't seem to scale. In another year does this mean you'll have a supersecret account that only follows select people from the secret account? - Ryan Jones

so one account for people you really want to follow and one for everyone that you follow back at both FF and Twitter? - bev

Guy Kawasaki does this right?: - Steve Rubel

Robert: makes sense...but what is the advantage of 2 accounts compared to Groups - Edwin Khodabakchian

I use TweetDeck to organize my close friends into a list. That way, it's really easy for me to just follow those who are close to me, but still get DMs from everyone. - Eric Pender

Is there a client aka Tweetdeck that allows you to pull in your Friendfeed friend's lists? - Stephen Kennedy

... or any other BETTER filtering service than Tweetdeck, like PeopleBrowsr. - Alan Veeck

Edwin: none, except that Twitter does not support groups and I'm not going to invest the time to build them in, say, TweetDeck when there's so much innovation going on in Twitter clients. - Robert Scoble

There are more than a few Twitter usability issues that I'd like to see changed in addition to the required multiple accounts, deleting of DM's being easier and organizing of people as well....Tweetdeck allows this but Twitter should have thought of this internally... - Walter Schwabe

This seems like a lot of effort to deal with the problem of courtesy refollows. Why not just follow those 500 people or so on your main Twitter account? If you don't care what people say publicly and they're just noise, why deal with the acres of spammers sending you DMs to shill for some crappy product? - Trent Hamm

bev: right, I think. Ryan: yeah, this probably doesn't scale. But for now it does. - Robert Scoble

My Twitter numbers are strikingly similar to my FF numbers - when it comes to followers / followees. I've never broken 1000 when it comes to people I follow and every so often I go through and prune my list to help tune the noise. I've given up on Twitter and really focus most of my effort on my FF friends. - Brian Daniel Eisenberg

I see. the 2 account approach makes it portable across twitter client. smart - Edwin Khodabakchian

With Seesmic Desktop I created groups like "China, Hong Kong, France, Ogilvy, etc etc" and it works fine - Jean-François Amadei

Alan: for instance, if I had spent the time doing that on TweetDeck, now I'm using Seesmic Web. So I'd have to recreate the groups. - Robert Scoble

Robert: What is you 2nd FF account? - Amir

Tweetdeck became a necessity after 100 follows. I have groups and I rarely add to them- which means that me following you on twitter means virtually nothing as I rarely read the main feed. I can see this really corrupting your % followers to followed, which I do care about. Anyways, FF does make this a more feasible situation, to follow lots of people and still interact with them. Whereas with Twitter I'd have to resort to 2 accoutns. - anna sauce

Amir: I only have one, but I have several lists of friends. - Robert Scoble

Robert: Do you recommend that technique to everyone? - Amir

I jus noticed, you don't follow me on twitter for DMs. heart breaking, that must be why you never answer me on twitter :P - Özgür D. Cyric

Has anyone tried http://www.grouptweet.com/? I like its features, makes it easy to have private groups on twitter. - Nagesh C

I do the same, and it greatly improved my twitter experience. now i never miss what my close buds are saying. - sean percival

Looking through the list, I noticed you follow lots of people, but not a lot of feed type accounts. No newspapers, rss crossposts, etc... It's all people, maybe discuss why? - Jim Graham

Seesmic is a good little program, not as "weird feeling" as Tweetdeck. - Gus

will they add tags/filters on twitter? would be nice, but one thing which makes twitter great is its simplicity - diegovanegas

Amir: either that technique or join FriendFeed. :-) - Robert Scoble

I follow millions at a time with my one Twitter account. :-) - http://staynalive.com/article... - Jesse Stay

Jim: because I want to view my news through the filter of people I know. - Robert Scoble

Functionality and usability are key I'd say most of the 3rd party apps that are good give you that work for grouping Twitter properly, I prefer TweetDeck, but it is just a matter of comfort I had tried Seesmic and others, I guess I really liked the go anywhere connectivity of Tweetdeck when it went iPhone. - Patrick Boegel

To me the conflict between DM and tweets proves a weakness in the twitter concept, so why not pushing them to address that. You can set up a massive vote for something like this. - Jcm Manuel

Jcm: if Twitter listened to me they would get rid of the Suggested User List. I'd rather not beat my head against a brick wall. - Robert Scoble

So this new one is basically Scoble using Twitter the way everyone else does? - Jan Dawson

There must be a proper way to combine things. Twitter is all about limitations, but if they force people to have 2 accounts, there's clearly something that sux. - Jcm Manuel

Jan: most of the people I'm following have thousands of friends. This one is more picky. - Robert Scoble

I don't see how you keep up with them both. - Kevin Montgomery

Kevin you can keep up by using tweedteck or seesmic (allow for multiple accounts) - Jcm Manuel

Kevin: multiple screens. And I don't look at 100,000 people very often. The noise there is extraordinary. - Robert Scoble

With your 2nd twitter account, you pretty much can ignore the first one, but use second one to broadcast to a much bigger group. One for socializing, one for broadcasting? - Nagesh C

I know.....I use tweetdeck, but between email, myspace, facebook, twitter......it's ALOT of noise. I'm struggling to actually engage on twitter they way I would like. Robert, do you remember me from the Himmelman/Skin tour? - Kevin Montgomery

I bet that your DMs will diminish on the first account pretty soon, if not already - Nagesh C

That's a great idea, especially for someone like you. How can you even keep up with all of these comments on your posts? FF is definitely much more logical and organized than Twitter. I only use Twitter for those who don't have FF, and then I just have imaginary friends. I hardly ever go to Twitter (in any form). - Californian

Nagesh: the smart people DM me on FriendFeed already, yes. - Robert Scoble

I don't have the problem of thousands of people I follow, but I do know that before I follow someone, I look to the posting behavior. If he/she's posting just a few good messages per day I follow, it it's a spammer like Scoble I don't follow - unless he's called Scoble of course LOL. But my approach is to choose very carefully. - Jcm Manuel

By the way, the whole LINKING between services sux too. For instance, I follow Scoble on another twitter account. But when it linked to friendfeed, it logged in with my other account (I have 2 accounts there as well) - because in the browser you always log in with the account you last logged in (unless the session has expired). I didn't even notice that I didn't "friendfeed" with the account that sent me here. There's very little control over all these things - I make errors like this very often. - Jcm Manuel

Aren't most of the people you've met face to face on Friendfeed with feeds from Twitter/blogs/facebook/etc..? In terms of broadcasting, feed the main Twitter account and use FF to filter, as you mentioned. Seems simple enough, am I missing something? - Benjamin Taylor

Some 2 hours ago I was looking on the Seesmic site if they had some public planning of developments, but I couldn't find it. I would love to know what they plan - e.g. if they plan to add friendfeed to Seesmic desktop. And myspace feed of course. - Jcm Manuel

Loic says they were waiting for FriendFeed's new API to work on FriendFeed support. I'd expect that's coming soon now. - Robert Scoble

ok that's great anyway. I find it strange though that myspace is so often ignored - that's 250 million people as well. Seesmic, Flock... etc. they don't seem to care a lot. - Jcm Manuel

This is the exact reason why the number one new feature Twitter needs is user groups. With user groups you can manage the information and pay attention to what is important. I find it surprising and actually ridiculous that they haven't been able to implement this feature yet. Scoble is right about not investing time in Twitter clients to create user groups; the innovation in this field... more... - Angus Burton

I do the same thing. My second account I call the "PIMP" group, People I've Met Personally. Two accounts is better than Tweetdeck groups because I don't like to be stuck in tweetdeck. - Scott Jangro

for me, Twitter is biz, Friendfeed can serve as both personal and biz. Originally, my 1 twitter account was meant 2 be personal, but now its more than that, its 4 advocacy and social purpose. Therefore I find if I want anything personal, friendfeed and identi.ca would be better serve 4 me! - polou/indigo_bow

I've said it several times in several places, and again here just to hear myself ramble. Tweetdeck misses tweets very often. I've created columns/groups/whatever you wanna call it to follow family and friends. It misses their stuff more than it catches it. So, for me, and several other people I know, it's unreliable... and therefore unusable. I'm not too keen on using Peoplebrowsr or... more... - John

I have 3 twitter accounts and manage a friendfeed & twitter account for someone else, so that makes 4 twitters and 2 friendfeeds I have to keep my eyes on. - April Russo (app103)

@April u r one busy person! - polou/indigo_bow

I have opened a second twitter account to stream there most of my links I feel like to (re)share w/o comments, and reserve the "main" account for more "conversation-like" stuff. Not sure yet if it will work, I am still experimenting. I also realized that I can use that second account to filter my twitter feed when I am mobile (follow real people on one account and news sources on another, for example...) - Ashalynd

It'll be interesting times when Twitter does implement some kind of filtering function and you'll want to merge multiple accounts. - Vincent van Wylick

I usually find that interesting things I find on Twitter already has been filtered through to Friendfeed, so I have to say I care less and less about checking Twitter - Asgeir

Just suspending my experimental automated one. Apparently A LOT of people don't dig that :) The TOP SECRET address is ..... - Charlie Anzman

All of this just so you can get DMs on Twitter? Your email address (and your cell phone number) are right on your blog. Do you have so little faith in email? Or do you want to force people into 140 character messages, so you get less lengthy emails? By creating convoluted systems, you haven't solved anything. You're not addressing an obsessive need to be in touch with everyone through... more... - Joost Schuur

Robert Scoble

All the tech blogs are hypocrites when they are up in arms about Amazon. Facebook and Flickr have been deleting stuff for years like that.

July 17 from iPhone - Comment - Like - Share

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Among others. Twitter has deleted people too. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

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But paid books are a bit different than free stuff on Facebook/Flickr, no? - Abhimanyu Chirimar

Those are different scenarios, though none are good for users. One is a content license, the others are service agreements. Though the click-wrap in all cases reads like you have few rights. - LogEx

Not in my book - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Not sure the sentiment makes sense... Did the tech blogs also criticize FB/Flickr for the same type of practices? - Jolie O'Dell

My stuff is my stuff. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Jolie: when have you seen a tech blog take a stand on the issue and get to the top of techmeme? - Robert Scoble from iPhone

I'll never buy a Kindle. I'm a student. Could you imagine Amazon doing this to a $200+ textbook? - nick

But the point is... in Amazon's case, it is NOT yours. In the other cases, it is yours, but the hosting is at their whim. - LogEx

Nick: my photos cost a lot more than $200 to make but Flickr deletes accounts all the time. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Robert: I upload stuff to Flickr too, but I usually have my own copy on my computer that Flickr can't touch. - nick

But Flickr in that case only removes your ability to access their copy of your photos - you still have full control of the original and other copies. Amazon removes all access you had to content you licensed. - LogEx

Oh Robert, I don't even read that drivel anymore. ;) But perhaps it's getting undue attention for other reasons... No one pays - or pays MUCH - for FB/Flickr accounts/content. - Jolie O'Dell

UH...Amazon is deleting products consumers have purchased. Facebook and Flickr have been deleting unpurchased, free items. If you think that makes people hypocritical then I suggest you consult a dictionary. And if you think deleting paid vs. free is identical then I suggest you pull your head out of your proverbial ass. ;-) - Scott Jarkoff

I think the difference is paying for a specific piece of content and losing it without warning. It's very weird, though, how Amazon's been making such bad PR moves this year. Are they sharing an agency with Microsoft up there? - Omar Gallaga

Scott starts with an "UH" and ends with "ass." I think he wins Jerkoff Commenter of the Internet for July 17th. - Omar Gallaga

Robert: Wouldn't it have been more reasonable for Amazon to just simply stop selling the titles in question to new customers? - nick

There's a huge difference between a free service and a purchased good. Besides, why on earth would you upload your only copy of something to facebook or flickr? IF flickr deletes your photos, you still have them. In the Amazon case, you don't have the book anymore. - Ryan Jones

analogy: I buy a book and take it home; Books Inc finds out they didn't have the right to sell it to me, so they break down my front door, enter my house, and retrieve the book. - Stuart Liroff

Scott: my photos cost a lot more than any book on Amazon. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Neither Flickr nor facebook deletes your files from your hardware. You still have the originals. Even if they delete your account, you still have the originals. And any image you have downloaded in the past, if they receive a DMCA notice and delete it off their site, they don't access the hardware of everyone that downloaded it, deleting files. THAT is the difference. - April Russo (app103)

Cost isn't the issue. It's amazon providing you a book, vs you providing flickr with photos. - Ryan Jones

1) This isn't a "tech" question - it's a business question; 2) there is a difference between accepting payment for content then deleting it, and deleting copies of content you upload to a site; 3) to address one question without addressing different questions isn't hypocrisy, except perhaps based upon your expectations of how others should perceive this issue. - Kevin Boulas

Stuart: I am NOT saying Amazon is right. I think deleting anything of mine is bad and should be illegal. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

but legally, is the facebook account or flickr account really yours? Most likely not. - Ryan Jones

@Robert: if your only copy of your photos resides on Flickr or Amazon then that is complete and utter failure on your part. You should be saving your _personal_ photos on a removable HDD, cloud storage or somewhere where you have complete control of your _personal_ data. Facebook and Flickr are *obviously* not those types of services. - Scott Jarkoff

Ryan: legally your book isn't yours either. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

None of these scenarios have been fully tested in the courts. But these are the liabilities of the cloud and the rent/license models, as opposed to owning and hosting yourself and treating your local copies as masters. - LogEx

Scott: you are so wrong it isn't funny. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

And as April mentioned, neither delete the data from _your_ hardware but off of _their_ servers. That is a *huge* difference - remote deletion is evil, pure and simple. - Scott Jarkoff

@Robert: Hate to break your "I'm always right ego" but *YOU* are wrong. If you think I'm so wrong then kindly explain _why_ you believe I'm wrong. - Scott Jarkoff

Scott: all of these deletions are evil. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Robert, you are right that they are all evil, but there are significant differences in kind if not degree. - LogEx

Robert i seem to recall at least one blogger being up in arms about the deletion of his Facebook account ;-) so i'm not sure where the hypocrisy comes in. i think most people would agree that just randomly deleting *your stuff* is evil -- it's just MORE evil when you've *paid* for the stuff that got deleted. - Karim

Does Amazon reserve the right to do this in their EULA? Do Flickr/Facebook? - Kamath (नमः)

Tell me what other company deletes not only files you paid for and bought from them, but your own personal data too, from your hardware? Along with the books disappearing, there was at least one student that was reading one of the books in question as a summer reading assignment, that lost all his notes and annotations when the book disappeared. - April Russo (app103)

i've purchased songs on iTunes that, for one distribution reason or another, later became unavailable for purchase in the U.S. iTunes Store. Apple was nice enough to not go on my hard drive and delete the songs when that happened. - Karim

April: books are NOT yours. They belong to the copyright holder. You are granted a license to view them. Obviously now that right can be revoked at any time. - Robert Scoble

Those notes and annotations were his, and he has every right in the world to expect those not to be deleted by some company. - April Russo (app103)

Scott: my photos on Flickr don't just include my photos. They include the comments me and others have made. And any links that blogs have made to them. If you delete them you delete my work and that is work that CAN NOT BE BACKED UP. - Robert Scoble

Robert: You are absolutely wrong yet again. *BOOKS* are yours, period. No license involved. *eBooks* (the type sold for the Kindle), on the other hand, are licensed with some draconian anti-piracy TOS and DRM. So in that case, true, you do not own them. This is the krux of the reason I refuse to buy a Kindle. - Scott Jarkoff

April: deleting this stuff is wrong. Period. Whether on Amazon. Whether on Twitter. Whether on Flickr. Whether on Facebook. Not saying that Amazon is right. Just that these are all the same issue. The only reason we're up in arms about Amazon is we're used to having books on paper where our viewing rights can't be revoked. - Robert Scoble

Paint it all the same brush if you want, but everyone here seems to see a distinction but you, Robert. Putting stuff in the cloud onto a service you don't own always carries a risk. Buying a product from a reputable company and then having it taken away without warning is a whole other deal. Why do you want to lump apples and orange? Are you anti-fruit-diversity? - Omar Gallaga

Scott: wrong. Books are yours only because they are printed on paper. You are NOT allowed to photocopy them. Why not? They aren't yours. You are legally granted a right to view them, but the words in them are NOT yours. - Robert Scoble

Omar: well, now, buying books on a DRM'd device carries a risk too. - Robert Scoble

Ha ha... reminds me of an old post of mine: http://logicalextremes.blogspot.com/2007... (New High-Tech Book License) - LogEx

Robert: You did not pay to leave comments on Facebook or Flickr. You did pay for that book on your Kindle which was just revoked by the license holder. - Scott Jarkoff

And I seem to recall tech blogs being up in arms about Facebook and Flickr's various missteps in matters of privacy and account deletion. Don't you read your own press? - Omar Gallaga

Scott: I paid with my time which is far more valuable than any $20 fee. - Robert Scoble

Robert: Heh, absolutely. That's why I don't have a Kindle. Doesn't Apple reserve the right to do this with apps? I thought I remembered them doing something like that before with an app that was pulled from the store, but I may be remembering it wrong. - Omar Gallaga

Omar: yes, a few tech blogs try to raise this issue once in a while. - Robert Scoble

I would like to see anyone revoke my right to possession of the hard cover edition of Animal Farm and 1984 that I paid for. I'd like to see them enter my home uninvited, unannounced, and without permission, and not only take my books, but take the hand crocheted bookmark I made that's marking my place. Are you telling me that the seller has the right to do that if a publisher cancels a deal with them or it is found that the publisher didn't actually have a right to sell the titles? - April Russo (app103)

Robert: While they can not be photocopied, they can be borrowed by friends to read. eBooks have no such capabilities. I think even you know the distinction and realize there *IS* a difference. - Scott Jarkoff

April: the only reason that book publishers haven't been able to do that in the past is because they can't get access to your house legally. Now... - Robert Scoble

Robert: The non-hypocrite blogs? You should just go ahead and name names. Does it rhyme with "Garrington?" - Omar Gallaga

Scott -- you can lend your Kindle to your friends. - Omar Gallaga

The first-sale doctrine also allows me to transfer ownership of books and other content I own... not true of most licensed/rented works. - LogEx

Scott: yes, this is why I haven't been pro DRM in the past, even when working at Microsoft. But now we know the dangers of a DRM'ed world. Welcome to the world where you can be erased. Where your books can be erased. Where your photos can be erased. Where your Tweets can be erased. - Robert Scoble

there's DEGREES of wrongness, Robert. crimes and misdemeanors. losing a free tweet about the ham sandwich somebody ate is not on par with losing a masterpiece of English literature that you paid for. - Karim

Karim: wrong. Last week the tweets I made cost Rackspace thousands of dollars to get. Thanks for making them sound cheap. - Robert Scoble

Omar: True, but the difference being when you lend your Kindle you're essentially lending your entire bookshelf to someone, leaving you the inability to read a purchased eBook. - Scott Jarkoff

Karim: I'm glad you think your Tweets have no value. Mine DEFINITELY DO. - Robert Scoble

Robert, did you just put your Rackspace tweets on par with the literature of George Orwell? - Karim

Karim - you don't believe Robert's tweets are masterpieces of English literature? The hell is wrong with you? - Omar Gallaga

You still own the content you lend to service providers in most cases. that's why data portability is so important. Insist on your service providers giving you the ability to extract your content with the enhancements that have been made on the site ideally. - LogEx

Karim: no, I didn't put them on par with George Orwell's work, but some of my Tweets have cost a lot of money to make. Glad to know you think that going to England is free and that my time is free. It is not. And to make my Tweets equivilent to ones about eating food makes you a jerk in my mind. - Robert Scoble

Robert: back your data up. Flickr photos should be backed up *before* they're posted to Flickr, but certainly can be after using the right tools. Same with comments on Flickr. Facebook, with their utter dislike for RSS, makes that far more difficult. Point being - backup your data and do *not* *solely* rely on a service provider to protect your data. And backing up comments is entirely possible on Flickr using RSS feeds and other such tools. - Scott Jarkoff

$1000's? It doesn't cost anything to load your twitter RSS feed into a desktop feed reader, leaving it running in your tray to archive all your tweets. It also doesn't cost you anything to import them here, either. If your words are that important to you, make backups. Then the most you will lose is a URL, which doesn't belong to you any way. - April Russo (app103)

Scott: you go back up all your Flickr photos and move them to some other service with all the comments intact and usable. Go ahead. Try. - Robert Scoble

Robert: If you would slow the number of times you tweet then maybe it wouldn't cost Rackspace thousands of dollars. ;-) - Scott Jarkoff

April: glad you think the value in Twitter is just the Tweets. It is not. It's also the distribution and my friend network. - Robert Scoble

Scott: no, if I Tweeted less the cost per Tweet would go up! :-) - Robert Scoble

But surely you entered into using these services knowing that you are at their mercy. - LogEx

Scott -- I hate to agree with Robert (shudder) but that's not realistic. Especially not with average users. You're putting the onus on regular users to jump hoops instead of the companies to make these tools readily available. Way to stick it to the little guy. On the other hand, I think buying a book to own and having people post comments on some photos you posted on Flickr carry with them two entirely different expectations of permanence. - Omar Gallaga

Logical: and when I bought my Kindle I knew the same. - Robert Scoble

Robert: I already do backup my Flickr data - my uploads, my comments, my favorites and the comments on my posts. - Scott Jarkoff

Omar: expectations are different, yes, but they shouldn't be and that's what's wrong in my view. - Robert Scoble

Robert, i can't help what's in your mind :-) but i didn't say YOUR tweets were on par with ham sandwiches. i was trying to illustrate the fact that different things have different value. losing a dollar is not as bad as losing a million dollars. losing a million dollars is not as bad as losing your life. you can't just equate it all and saying losing anything is evil. - Karim

+1 Karim - Todd Hoff

Scott: congratulations. Flickr is also a social network. And it's also a distribution platform. I embed my Flickr photos on my blog and so do other people (my photos are all over Wikipedia for instance). Back THAT up. You can't. - Robert Scoble

Omar: Completely agreed about the backing up. I'm just trying to get the point across to Robert that its _possible_ to do. Maybe that's a service someone needs to work on - backup all your social networking data to the cloud and then download it at will. - Scott Jarkoff

Robert -- Ah.... but like usual, that's not what you said. That's what you expected us to psychically extract from your initial post (or after several hundred FriendFeed comments, whichever comes first). Glad we got here sooner rather than later. - Omar Gallaga

Karim: losing my work matters more to me than losing an unauthorized copy of some other author's work. - Robert Scoble

You are free at any time to go start your own. If permanency of hosting and full control is that important to you, do not rely on a 3rd party service that could just as easily be gone with your data tomorrow (remember magnolia? enetation? AOL Pictures? the other billion services that went >poof<?) - April Russo (app103)

April: do the same with a book company then too. - Robert Scoble

Robert: See, this is why you need to clarify your position before making such generalized statements like what you used to start this thread. - Scott Jarkoff

Scott: that's why FriendFeed has comments. :-) - Robert Scoble

Angrykeyboarder: Been there, done that, thanks. ;-) - Scott Jarkoff

Scott: http://backupmypics.com/ - Omar Gallaga

Robert: If, as usual, your intent was to ignite conversation, congratulations - you've more than succeeded. But that still doesn't mean you're wrong. - Scott Jarkoff

I don't buy DRM protected digital content. I don't trust it. - April Russo (app103)

Omar: Nice! Now all they need to do is add in the other things Robert wants tracked and he'll have the holy grail of social networking backup solutions. - Scott Jarkoff

Scott: everything I do is to get a conversation going. It's my prime directive. - Robert Scoble

Robert: Wakarimashita. However, you're still wrong in this case. - Scott Jarkoff

Scott: and so are you. - Robert Scoble

House wins. Everybody loses. - Omar Gallaga

On that note, time to head out with the family to see Harry Potter. Hope everyone else enjoys the rest of the conversation. Cheers! - Scott Jarkoff

Omar: +1. - Robert Scoble

Robert, ok, so for YOU, losing your tweets is worse than losing the works of George Orwell. do you expect everyone else to feel the same way? - Karim

Karim: yes, most people will feel that way. Their work is more valuable than a book they probably have a copy of anyway on their shelves. - Robert Scoble

i'm wondering why you feel that way when people pay nothing for tweets, but shell out money (the sweat of their brow) for a book. if they were that valuable, Twitter's business model should involve printing them and selling them like books. :-) - Karim

Karim: everyone who got that book pulled got their money back. So there goes that argument. - Robert Scoble

But the student that got the book pulled didn't get his work back. - April Russo (app103)

which argument is that, exactly? if you're talking about *value*, one has a price tag, the other does not. - Karim

Tweets have value for the people creating them, not necessarily for anyone else, though. That might be the difference. But that doesn't mean that all Tweets have no value. Just because some are about eating a sandwich doesn't mean all are. And, by the way, I've been handed at least two Twitter books with all that person's Tweets in them. - Robert Scoble

Karim: my tweets have a price tag. Just because you aren't paying for them doesn't mean someone isn't. Thank you Rackspace. - Robert Scoble

April: exactly. It's the work we do AROUND other people's work that has more value to us. I'm more bummed about that student losing his work than I am about the other issues being discussed. - Robert Scoble

you keep shifting the argument between you, Mr. Edge Case Who Gets Paid to Tweet, and people generally. if we took all your tweets and put them in a book, i seriously doubt it would sell as well as "1984" or "Animal Farm." your tweets may be more valuable TO YOU, but i doubt many others would feel that your tweets are worth more than Orwell's novels. - Karim

We could find out. Put all your tweets in a PDF and sell it for $6.99 on lulu.com and see if you can sell as many copies as those 2 books combined. - April Russo (app103)

Karim: that's not the issue under way. My Tweets have value. Period. To say they don't is being a jerk. By the way, I have published books and ones that have sold decently well (but not close to Orwell's) and I'd rather have my book stolen than my Tweets. - Robert Scoble

AGAIN, Robert, not saying your tweets are worthless, just that you shouldn't equate the loss of something with a huge value with something that has a small value to everyone else (even if it has a big value to you personally). think of the crayon drawings of your children. you'd be heartbroken if you lost one. the rest of the world, not so much. a Van Gogh, on the other hand... - Karim

Well, some small good came out of all of this. My daughter is in her room reading my copy of Animal Farm right this minute. While I did read it to her when she was about 7-8, this will be the first time she is reading it herself. - April Russo (app103)

April: that is a good thing. - Robert Scoble

the sad fact is that if someone breaks into your house and steals your child's finger painting, the police are going to treat it slightly differently than if someone breaks into your house and steals a 10 million dollar Van Gogh -- EVEN IF you swear up and down the fingerpainting meant more to you personally. - Karim

Karim: yeah, but here's the rub, the major reason that Van Gogh's cost so much is because of scarcity. Thanks to the Internet information and content has no scarcity so those days are over for the most part. And, anyway, copyright law is pretty clear that Amazon is legally able to do what it did, so is Facebook and Twitter and Flickr and all the others who delete stuff. Maybe THAT is our problem! We've let lawyers write bad laws and now we're learning the depths of just how bad they are. - Robert Scoble

Robert: What are the edge cases in your own personally generated content? How do you view that content in terms of control and assignable rights to it if you have placed it into the hands of a services provider? - Jay Cuthrell

As a witness / victim of the dot.com bubble, I kind of go into things as if the company could flop tomorrow. The only exception so far has been Google. - adam garrett

Google too will go, but they won't just flop, they'll teraflop. - Micah Wittman

I just don't see how you can conflate the digital equivalent of Amazon picking the locks on the doors to let themselves into people's homes and replacing a couple of books on their bookshelves with the money those books originally cost, with a free service deciding for even an arbitrary reason to remove whatever copy of some content you uploaded to their servers, and then using that contrived logic to bash a large group of people by calling them hypocrites. - Shannon

If I am not mistaken, the flicker policy has also been complained about, but the Amazon situation is new so people are more likely to complain about it now. People tend to fight one battle at a time. - Kim Landwehr from BuddyFeed

Not sure if its been mentioned but Amazon sent an email out saying that they pulled the books because someone other than the publisher actually made the books available and that even if this sort of thing happens again, they won't react the same way - Patrick Aland

Maybe not in your book, but Amazon just took your book away! - Californian

News Update. Still bad idea, but not as bad as before. http://technologizer.com/2009... - Ian Paul

Robert Scoble

Bad parenting Friday night: - http://ourdoings.com/roberts...

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James Bond on TV. Glass of wine in my hand. iPhone in my other. I am a bad parent. :-) - Robert Scoble

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no, it would be bad if wrestling world was on - Beth Kanter

You're joking, right? - David Damore

Did you learn this from your parents? Aren't you supposed to be getting ready for the PDF Conference? - Eric

Wow, your living room looks worse than my bachelor pad. - Ryan Jones

Eric: I am not going to PDF this year. - Robert Scoble

Bad parenting...why? Only if you haven't given your kids iPhones as well. - Mike Bracco

At that age I was playing Tetris on Friday night. - Eric

Ryan: Milan has been here. Heheh. - Robert Scoble

Ryan: Milan has been here too. Heheh. - Ariel Bravy

James Bond is fine keep him away from FriendFeed! :) - Bryan Lee

Dang, you were the only famous guest who made me purchase a ticket to that PDF Conference, false advertising by the PDF. - Eric

Kids in bed. Downed glass each of wine AND beer already. Watching CNN and twittering with the wife on other Macbook. - Lon Cohen

Mike: my 15-year-old has his own. Milan needs to steal one of ours. - Robert Scoble

We all just finished watching Captain EO on YouTube. The kids now have a new favorite movie produced by George Lucas :-) - Jesse Stay

You should make a surprise visit to the PDF :) - Eric

hey, at least you didn't run off to Argentina! - Julie Bovee Hill

Eric: I didn't know they said I was coming. - Robert Scoble

Julie: that is only because you didn't ask! :-) - Robert Scoble

They showed your picture, I believe. - Eric

Scoble: Gotcha :) I had the debate the other day with coworker who limits tech their child has. If I have kids I am going to give them access to any tech they want. - Mike Bracco

Everything I read about teens and tech makes me wish I never have a daughter - Ryan Jones

Only bad parenting if you were watching Keeping Up with the Kardasians - Stephanie Segel

Mike: Milan can turn on an iPhone and play his favorite app. Crazy what 19-month-olds can do. - Robert Scoble

So, you don't like Nintendo Wii? - Eric

Eric: no Wii here - Robert Scoble

You are anti Nintendo or something? - Eric

Where is your Surface? That seems like a gadget you should talk about. - Eric

Eric: nah, we bought one for our nephew. - Robert Scoble

The surface is the sweetest gadget that will never make it mainstream. - Eric

Eric: I can't afford a Surface. That is Arrington you are thinking of. - Robert Scoble

Scoble: Very true. I think it speaks to transformative effects of iPhone. Just making it simple and easy makes adoption take off. I have non technical friends who now upload video via their mobile on the iPhone. If you asked me if they would be doing that 1 year ago I would say no way. - Mike Bracco

Lol, that's what I'm saying, if you can't afford a Surface, then Microsoft isn't your friend. - Eric

Mike: an idiot could upload video off the new iPhone. Agreed. - Robert Scoble

iPhone is so damn over rated. - Eric

Eric: when you can't afford a rich person's toys just stay alive. I remember when Steve Wozniak showed me his $40,000 color printer. Today a $70 one does a better job. - Robert Scoble

Scoble: Just think of what's going to happen when makers of other electronic devices start figuring out how to use the iPhone as simply an interface/remote control for their device. It's going to make things that much easier. - Mike Bracco

I have heard rumors that surface's goal is to be at the $3000 price within the next 2 years. - Ryan Jones

Right, all these fancy toys will come down in price. - Eric

Eric: it is. Would it make you happier if I had a Palm Pre or a Nokia in my hand? - Robert Scoble

Nokia - Eric

I am a Nokia kind of guy, but still I don't think they are the best either. The N97 is pretty cool... - Eric

I still want my crunchpad - Ryan Jones

Hang out a second. I will get my Nokia. But it sucks compared to the iPhone even if its camera is better. - Robert Scoble

The N97 is very cool but totally sucks. NOKIA doesn't think the web is important. - Robert Scoble

Eric: It's all about the platform. I see the iPhone OS and Android as the two players. I don't really see a place for a third platform - IMHO. - Mike Bracco

The problem with the iPhone is that people think it's the end all, be all of mobile phones. I don't think any phone should be the end all be all. That's when its value diminishes. - Eric

Eric: How many platforms can you ask a developer to develop for? - Mike Bracco

Eric: the iPhone is just the beginning. - Robert Scoble

Right, I agree. There should only be one. - Eric

Scoble, if I had a gazillion bucks, I'd develop a device that blows iPhone away and it wouldn't be a phone. - Eric

Eric: It doesn't matter how much you would spend, it's about adoption. iTunes is the key to manage content and the apps - you couldn't buy that. - Mike Bracco

That's the problem with these applications for the iPhone, they were never meant to be for a phone. The phone is to talk, text message, and maybe a few photos. If you want to play video games, get a PSP or Gameboy. - Eric

I truly believe iTunes is over rated! - Eric

Eric: But what did they say the computer was for in 1998 - I'm sure it's a lot different than what people say now. - Mike Bracco

Yeah, something better can be made, we'd just have to pull people away from iPhone. Apple doesn't do everything right, certainly iTunes is not the way it should be done, but people don't have much other choice. - Eric

Zune seems to be on the right track, where's the Zune phone? - Eric

Mine are playing video game while I WORK.Hope you are doing something far more fun ;-) - Crystal Clear

The iPhone is not really a phone. It's a general-purpose UNIX computer that happens to fit into your pocket and has many of its functions deliberately limited by Apple. - Victor Panlilio

Eric: love the fact that you say the phone is to "Talk, text message, and maybe a few photos". Will Milan's generation know what the word "camera" means? - Catherine Ventura

Catherine: yes, that is a thing on the iPhone. - Robert Scoble

Robert Scoble to Robert's feed, building43

Every day I want to learn something new about the Now/New/2010/3.0 Web. Let's learn about microformats today here:

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http://microformats.org/ is the home page. - Robert Scoble

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Who has a great example of using microformats? - Robert Scoble

Google search for Microformats: http://www.google.com/search... - Robert Scoble

So far the biggest problem with microformats is that most companies only offer 1 way support. They provide one for you, but don't take yours from elsewhere. Details: http://www.dotcult.com/who-sup... - Ryan Jones

I'd love to have someone on Building43 to explain them. Anyone game? - Robert Scoble

The Operator Firefox plugin was very useful for testing microformats. Hcard is useful when available. - Jauder Ho

cork'd is a great example of hreview - we have building them into sites for about two years now - Pat Strader

I would nominate @kevinmarks for this assignment given his work on RichSnippets - Dilip Dand

FriendFeed uses the rel="me" microformat on the services page (e.g. http://friendfeed.com/paul...) to tag links to my other services. The Google Social Graph API uses these links to find you around the web. - Paul Buchheit

i wrote a recent introduction if anyone is interested i can share, but do not wish to link drop - Pat Strader

Pat: please do share! - Robert Scoble

I'm interested pat - courtney benson

it is very basic http://matterhornmarketing.com/marketi... - Pat Strader

Pat, thanks, it will help I'm sure. - courtney benson

Google Profiles also uses this to guess links that belong to you. - Jauder Ho

we build in hcard primarily as we deal with a great deal of tourism "directory" type sites - Pat Strader

I'd love to have Tantek or Kevin on Building43 to explain microformats and show how to use them. - Robert Scoble

i made some moo stickers if anyone wants some, let me know, microformats stickers have been hard to find for me! - Pat Strader

Thanks Pat! Basic or not it is more than I knew 5 minutes ago! - Marshall Huwe

dan cederholm used them years ago with cork'd - hreview - Pat Strader

Pat - problem with that URL please resend tks - courtney benson

marshall no problem, im very excited about them, just needs more evangelists - Pat Strader

Scoble, besides Building43 ;) What is a great website to keep on top of the 2010 Web? Are there any web resources that you're particularly fond of? My favorites are Mashable, Read Write Web, and TechCrunch. - Sam Houston

courtney - try this http://snip.li/bc13f8 - Pat Strader

tks, I'll try now - courtney benson

Sam: Stack Overflow, but that's more aimed at programmers. Hacker News. And then there's a ton of people I follow. I put the best ones at http://www.friendfeed.com/scoblei... - Robert Scoble

Cool, thanks Robert! :) - Sam Houston

If someone wants to set up a local (SV) meetup, I'd be there. Trying to digest as much as I can since format adoption appears inevitable. - Rick Bucich

Calais 2.0 showing some potential ... Calais 2.0 unveiled by Thomson Reuters http://blogs.zdnet.com/semanti... - Willi Schroll

here's something about iPhone you may not have thought of:http://patriciahandschiegel.tumblr.com/post... - Patricia

i think with google now saying they will use them in some capacity will increase the adoption rate for developers - Pat Strader

Rick, Tantek had a #microformats meetup going for a while. Check out the microformats site. - Jauder Ho

Brian Suda's book is a good read for those so inclined - Pat Strader

Pat, you've given me enough info to be dangerous. As a sales and mkt person that has a lot of potential for "true geektacular" - courtney benson

courtney great, glad you got something from it - Pat Strader

its pretty exciting stuff - Pat Strader

if you want a couple sheets of the moostickers, just let me know...i printed 900 for blogpotomac, but they didnt arrive in time to take them.... - Pat Strader

if only eventful etc crawled for hcalendar... - Pat Strader

Thanks Jauder! - Rick Bucich

The question I have about microformats is "how do you know you need them?" I know when I need to use DIV's or when I need some JavaScript but I'm still not along to the place where I know all the places I need microformats. - Robert Scoble

I'd rather see HTML change to be separated into a set of semantic elements and organizational elements, then CSS adapt to work better with that separation, way more than I'd like to see microformats try and do this same thing through hackery of CSS. - xero

robert i simply started wrapping any address, or review or event as a part of workflow - Pat Strader

I'd love to come and explain microformats for your audience, Robert - Kevin Marks

There's the 4th Birthday party this Friday - http://microformats.org/wiki... maybe Robert could do a video or 2 from there. - Debi Jones

Kevin, I see you're attending the July 18 event http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event... anything sooner? - Rick Bucich

the point of microformats is to give common ways for people to express things on the web that are used a lot, like addresses, reviews, tags and events. They do this using standard HTML. - Kevin Marks

that would be a great event - Pat Strader

Robert, we can chat about them at the SFAMA meetin on thursday - I think it fits into the panel's cope too. - Kevin Marks

Kevin: yeah, let's do that. I'd love to take advantage of your free time before you get totally crazy busy with some hot startup. - Robert Scoble

I loved melody piece on su.pr. And I've been using it all day - Zachary Adam Cohen

How would someone find out who has adopted the format? i.e. review sites using hReview. I know of Yelp but also notice that Insiderpages is being pulled into Google & Yahoo Local. - Rick Bucich

rick thats a great question, i have tried to find out who might be looking for them myself - Pat Strader

Rick, Pat use the Operator plugin. - Jauder Ho

yes, i have it use it quite a bit, i was trying to find places that might be going out and looking for them, not necessarily implementing - Pat Strader

i use both operator and tails plugins are there others? - Pat Strader

It doesn't appear that Operator supports hReview, am I correct? I'll check out Tails - Rick Bucich

What is something simple I can do to incorporate microformats into my blog? - Robert Scoble

start using them? - Tyler Gillies

This guy seems to be exceptionally authoritative on microformats or "microstructures" as he calls them: @luebken on Twitter and his blog, http://leubken.com, has a great post on "Overview of microstructures in use". - Mike Elliott

the simplest thing to do, Robert, would be to make your contact info in the sidebar into an hCard; you're already mostly supporting hAtom from your template - Kevin Marks

Is this like one of those CGI voting scripts on a website? A widget? You could make it be reviews of each of your videos, Robert. Why put up contact info to the masses? Reviews makes sense. - Prokofy Neva

I have not looked much at hReview but this shows a hcard mockup (do view source) http://bit.ly/1vfp3i You should be able to use this right away after substituting your info. I did notice that Google does extract this into their excerpt for search results. - Jauder Ho

another example site is linkedin using hresume http://steve.ganz.name/blog... and there is a wordpress plugin http://wordpress.org/extend... (not sure what platform is needed) - Mike Chelen

A List Apart blog just posted a good article about RDFa, which you could use for semantic markup when a microformat isn't necessary or doesn't exist: http://www.alistapart.com/article... - Chip Ramsey

The future of microformats: the direction I think it should take: https://friendfeed.com/search... Ultra-minimal; minimum tag clutter. - Sean McBride

Robert, Kevin, please hook up with @marksilva before Thursday to discuss SFAMA panel. @scobleizer @kevinmarks - Mark Evans

Robert Scoble

Yo @RyanJones of course I have a huge ego. You can discuss just how huge here:

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The point I was making wasn't about my ego, though. It was that most followers on Twitter don't engage and don't take action. So they are useless. People who just want to collect useless followers are the ones who have the real ego. :-) - Robert Scoble

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take it easy on the new guy..lol - mohamedosman

Of course. I got your point, i was just giving you some ribbing about your ego. - Ryan Jones

Woah useless is a strong word Robert :) - Chris Saad

Chris: they are bots. Do you think bots are useful? - Robert Scoble

Well when you said followers I imagined people - but if you are talking about bots that's different - Chris Saad

The bot problem will go away as soon as the twitter sheeple stop blindly re-following everybody that follows them. - Ryan Jones

Deciding not to engage IS taking action. - Andrew Jordan

I don't think that the "Collect The Followers" issue is exclusive to Twitter though - and I'd expect FriendFeed to have exactly the same problem in the long run. I don't mind silent people following me, it's the uselessly-noisy ones that I don't care for. - Ian Betteridge

I love it! I have a huge ego, please discuss here. Bots are not useful, but are preventable. Bots couldn't take hold if we didn't autofollow them. ie: if we don't "bot" back - Chris Foley

That's not true! The Iranian election shows that people take action on Twitter. The point is that its less centralized because you can't have a single, collected repository for the actions taken/conversation. It's just more ad hoc and less engaged. But it also allows for more variety of responses because people aren't tied to a single conversation thread! - Steve Lynch from twhirl

If MySpace, Twitter, Facebook, etc took away the X has Y "followers, friends" number and removed the popularity competition too, it would help. - Ryan Jones

Note Scoble's profile... "I'm also the trouble maker..." Lol. - Nicole

To be fair, Ryan, I don't think Scoble's that interested in number of follows as an ego massage. I think from various conversations that it's more of an experiment in social media - he follows everyone and filters later. Others (like me) do it differently, but that's not to say his method isn't valid for him. - Ian Betteridge

Agreed, Ryan. I think the reality is that you don't really have 96,000 followers, Robert. A lot of those people are bots, spammers or people who don't use Twitter anymore. But why care so much about the numbers? - Steve Lynch from twhirl

The funny part is, as I type this.. at least 2 bots just re-tweeted scoble's last post with @RyanJones in it. - Ryan Jones

Chris: followers that don't "follow" aren't very useful. They also aren't really followers, are they? Maybe we need a new word "watchers" or "not fan, not follower, just want to watch the mess here." - Robert Scoble

As of 9:23 AM PST I have 1,846 Twitter followers. I am currently following 1,246 I receive DM's from about ten of these followers, and only one or two per day respond to my tweets. The rest are just "building their inventory", with an empty promise that this will give them some kind of credibility. So far, Twitter has been useful for contacting key participants in seminars, conferences and workshops. - Nicholas Chase

I think the word followers is MUCH MUCH better than 'Friends' - so is the async nature of Twitter and FF followers rather than Facebook 'Friends' - But i agree with your point that bots and spammers are not very 'useful' - Chris Saad

But then again, neither is a follower count to measure influence or engagement - a real influence metric is LONG overdue - Chris Saad

Steve: numbers are interesting because systems like WeFollow.com and many journalists use them. The world keeps forcing me to consider numbers. But I keep pushing back. Is having 50,000 unengaged followers really useful to anyone? - Robert Scoble

I think one of the more interesting numbers is how many people click the links you tweet. - Ryan Jones

Ryan: exactly. Engagement is interesting and engaged users are useful. I try to be useful to lots of other people. That's why I follow so many and I do what they tell me to do. That's how I ended up here, after all. Louis Gray told me to use friendfeed. It took me a while, but I did eventually listen. That's how you change the world. Having people who don't do anything following you isn't going to change anything. - Robert Scoble

Your ego exceeds the character limit for friendfeed comments LOL - KyleHase

The higher the number of people I follow the more difficult it is to weed out, information from noise, applications like Tweetdeck and Seesmic desktop help, but they require constant tweaking. When I see an interesting tweet with link, I often click on link, but it is unusually for me to do an @ reply, if I think what I read is interesting I will post a comment. - Kim Landwehr

How would you know if any of them did anything or not. Just because they don't 'engage' in conversations doesn't mean they don't act on or read any of your posts or follow any of your links. You could be educating the masses without knowing it. Just carry on, and stop worrying about numbers. - Gilbert Harding

Gilbert: I've been telling people for years to come to friendfeed and discuss hundreds of different things with me. 42,000 have joined me here. That's less than half of my Twitter numbers. So, that tells me that half of them aren't engaged with me. Why are they following me if they aren't there to engage at some level at some time over a year? - Robert Scoble

Because they are shy? :P - Adrian Scicluna

Robert, maybe you're like a newspaper to them. Most people read the newspaper but never engage. I know it's a dying media but a lot of people still consume passively. - KyleHase

I only follow people I find interesting, and because I'm a programmer, most of them are too. I don't want to follow people just to increase my numbers. - RobinDotNet

Robin: yes, most people are like you. But what about these other 50,000? :-) - Robert Scoble

Maybe they sign up and follow you and then never go on twitter again. Although I get follow requests from people who haven't tweeted ever. I don't understand it. I'm too busy to dick around and read tweets from thousands of people I don't have anything in common with. - RobinDotNet

I don't have a huge number of followers but over 60% of mine are people that I have met in real life and have a direct connection with. I don't go out of my way to follow someone unless I have had some previous contact with them. - Luke Kilpatrick

ego, I luv my ego! they r healthy ones - polou/indigo_bow

You know, I was kind of disappointed when FriendFeed added subscriber/subscribing counts to profiles in the new version. It was refreshing to have a service where numbers were underplayed. - Jared Smith

It really seems like the more followers I get on twitter, the less interaction. I'm almost to the point of not bothering following any more people - they rarely engage anyway. - Jannifer @wordsforliving

I just removed the auto-follow facility I was using. Got fed up of being re-followed by the same people over and again! - Adrian Scicluna

I just expanded on this conversation with a blog post: http://www.dotcult.com/why-twi... - Ryan Jones

Ryan: good blog on the topic. - Robert Scoble

Wow Robert I agree with ya... You challenge people and that's a good thing... Keep on doing what you do.. More people need to mix it up instead of trying to be the most popular eith followers... ha ha ha - Chris Henderson

Yes. Robert has an enormous one - WorldofHiglet

Robert, I don't think you have the extroverted ego, others have. I will repeat the example I was just giving at the other post - When you first came to Israel, everyone could have a direct talk with you free of charge and without any PR interference (although i'm sure you could ask money for that), but this year, when Brian Solis is about to arrive, people need to pay a lot of money to have a chat with him - and frankly, this guy cannot teach me a thing. - Nir Ben Yona

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