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That Not So Fresh Feeling : For My Next Trick ... - http://blog.ryantoohil.com/2009...
"But corn syrup tastes so good!"
- Ryan Toohil
That Not So Fresh Feeling : Evite to Google Calendar Greasemonkey Script v1.1 - http://blog.ryantoohil.com/2007...
"Thanks Webnesto. I've made a couple of small changes and will be updating the script at userscripts shortly."
- Ryan Toohil
It's a real bummer that Bluehost is kicking off Iranian bloggers: http://1fathi.com/1387...
Kamilah Gill, Mo Kargas, منیر کنکوری and 54 other people liked this
thank you dear robert and prosecutor for help us and other bloggers
- 1Fathi
thank you for help
- مـهدی معتمد
Thanks Robert for twitting on this!
- Business Blogger【ツ】™
I would never use bluehost. If I did use them I would switch. Who knows who they'll decide to kick off next.
- Mike Hussein Cohen
Civil disobedience is one thing, but it's not just a voluntary TOS clause: it's illegal in the United States to import or export goods to Iran. Bluehost could be held criminally liable if it willingly allowed Iranian accounts to continue.
- Mark Trapp
Bluehost is otherwise a decent hosting service - this is a great pity
- winckel
Thanks
- M∂s♥ud
Thanks Robert. :)
- Kamangir
Thanks Robert! ^_^
- Tyler Durden
RE "it's illegal in the United States to import or export goods to Iran", would that mean FriendFeed can't include content (literally "importing" it) created in Iran and, oh... say... Google can't index it? Or it it acceptable for intellectual property to flow across the border... it just can't be exchanged for something else?
- Ken Sheppardson
I bet you get no response from them. I had a nice argument with them about this awhile ago. They don't care that people are complaining about them on Twitter.
- Jesse Stay
Ken, OFAC Regulation 31 CFR 560.204 outlines the full extent of US Sanctions on Iran (URL: http://www.treas.gov/offices...). It states:
- Mark Trapp
Except as otherwise authorized pursuant to this part, including §560.511, and notwithstanding any contract entered into or any license or permit granted prior to May 7, 1995, the exportation, reexportation, sale, or supply, directly or indirectly, from the United States, or by a United States person, wherever located, of any goods, technology, or services to Iran or the Government of...
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- Mark Trapp
(a) Such goods, technology, or services are intended specifically for supply, transshipment, or reexportation, directly or indirectly, to Iran or the Government of Iran; or (b) Such goods, technology, or services are intended specifically for use in the production of, for commingling with, or for incorporation into goods, technology, or services to be directly or indirectly supplied, transshipped, or reexported exclusively or predominantly to Iran or the Government of Iran.
- Mark Trapp
I don't know how that affects Google indexing or FriendFeed. I do know it affects transactions, of which purchasing hosting would most definitely take part. I think the "intended specifically" term would preclude FriendFeed or Google from being held liable. Iran isn't specifically intended to be the recipient of the service and/or technology.
- Mark Trapp
Interesting. Thanks, Mark. Personally, I have a hard wrapping my brain around how the whole body of legal language like this originally intended to cover physical goods and services that's now being warped to cover intellectual property, electronic documents, web content, etc. It would seem it's illegal for Apple to allow folks in Iran to buy track in iTunes, for example. How about presenting ads to Iranian viewers if you're being paid to deliver those impressions?
- Ken Sheppardson
I don't know why you're saying physical goods, or why you think it's being warped. It specifically says "any goods, technology, or services." Hosting is a service. Apple can't sell to Iran, and doesn't sell to Iran. There is no Iranian iTunes Store. Ads don't count unless they were specifically intended for Iran. For example, Google should probably be preventing Iranians from having...
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- Mark Trapp
I also work at a web host. We've gotten letters from the government. They are pretty strict on OFAC to the point that we have to screen all signups for country of origin as well as making sure the purchaser isn't a specially designated national (which can be kind of a pain, as there are some common names on that list).
- Ryan Toohil
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Deploying rails apps
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Is Google Being “Evil”? Plans to Annihilate their Analytics Competition with Ajax? - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
Jill Howard Allen, Dan Morrill AKA Techwag, Sampad Swain and 18 other people liked this
guys, this is BIG. Heck even skip my post and read this one about it http://getclicky.com/blog...
- Zee.
I like what one of the guys said in the Clicky article; it's not Google's job to look after the interwebs. Ultimately, they're trying to make money. Sad thing is, we're all to blame for using Google. But then again, Google are so much better than everyone else, we hardly have any choice!
- Wayne Smallman
yeah absolutely Wayne, that was definitely on my mind writing this piece...but it will come round and bit them in the ass if they end up going ahead with this.
- Zee.
That looks like kind of a b**ch move to me. On the same side, it's eliminating competition. I'm not surprised, but I think it's a bi**h move.
- Candace
bitch move it right, so should have put that in the title.. :P
- Zee.
This will whip up a storm of protest - no longer being able to see what criteria your traffic comes through on unless you use Google's analytics is very bad news.
- David Petherick
Though I can't help but think what Google might do if there is a whole slew of protest over it. Especially if the public starts to paint them in a bad light because of it.
- Candace
I don't get it. If Google does something that is *arguably* better for users, and ends up benefiting their business, why do your needs (or mine) outweigh everyone else's? Particularly given that there are a number of other ways to get that search info (including directly from Google Webmaster Tools). Of course, by giving this argument any attention, I've just bought into the clickbait. I'll learn my lesson eventually.
- Ryan Toohil
Which is why I said I am not surprised, Ryan. Google is a business, and they are doing something to directly benefit their business. Whether we like it or not isn't the issue here. They are working to eliminate their competition and further benefit their business. However, people won't like it. So it will be interesting to see what happens if this continues, and how people react.
- Candace
@Ryan, according to the competition (getclicky.com) there is no other way to get this search info.
- Zee.
There certainly is no reason why doing an ajax enhanced search results page requires the use of a non standard URL string which will incidentally break not just competing products but the server log itself. And I am not sure google does search results that much better than alternative search engines anymore. I have been asked in FF several times "how do you find these things" about things I post, and the answer is simply "by not using the same tools as everyone else, even in search"
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
That Not So Fresh Feeling : 2008 Top Ten: #5 -- Delta Spirit "Trashcan" - http://blog.ryantoohil.com/2008...
"Damn right this is good."
- Ryan Toohil
The half life of a conversation on http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... is going WAY down. Discuss here:
Bill Romanos, Bertrand Doux, April Russo (app103) and 28 other people liked this
I've noticed that items of mine get TONS of comments and "Likes" but only for about an hour or two. Then they just stop getting comments. That behavior is MUCH different than earlier in the year. I believe it's because there is a LOT more flow here lately, but also the algorithm that pops things up is much different than it used to be. Is anyone seeing that?
- Robert Scoble
This really has some deep implications for journalism and blogging brands. It tells me that you are better off doing a ton of short posts, along with a few long ones to keep your brand "meaty" than doing only long, meaty posts that take a long time to write and consume.
- Robert Scoble
I think you are just less interesting... Ooooohhh... Look something shiny, bye!!!
- Brian Roy
What do I mean by "Half Life of a Conversation?" Well, in the old days of blogging one conversation could bubble along for a week, or longer. If a conversation would last a week, the half life would be half a week. Today conversations only last a few hours.
- Robert Scoble
Folks are getting worse at filtering/hiding the noise or caring less
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Interesting. I wonder... have you noticed any corresponding change in the half life of comments on your blog? Are they getting shorter too or staying the same?
- Marcel LeBrun
Brian: that might be true. Not because I've changed, but because the media landscape on the Net itself has changed. In past couple of days I've put up some really interesting stuff, though. But it just doesn't "stick" the way it used to. Why not? Have you watched my RealTime feed? Every second or two there's a new item. Shiny or not, you'll pay attention to the new stuff.
- Robert Scoble
There is a concept called "spreading yourself too thin". It may be causing this. That is what happens when you try subscribe to the entire Firehose or as I call it here in FriendFeed, the Water Main. /snark
- Rolf Schewe
What were we talking about?
- Chris Baskind
Marcel: same effect. I rarely get comments on my blog after a day. In fact, almost always, old comments are spam.
- Robert Scoble
lol@Chris +1
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
content online now is more disposable than ever, here today, gone in 15 mins
- sean percival
Rolf: what I'm noticing is that all of us are being spread too thin and I think that has deep implications for people trying to build audiences online.
- Robert Scoble
Sean: exactly. The funny thing is that everyone who is commenting on this blog has built a brand in my head (reputation, credibility, engagement, etc). How did you do that? By interacting with me over thousands of news items. THAT too has deep implications for news distribution and brands too.
- Robert Scoble
That's very interesting - I have been wondering this myself lately - just intuitively - where the attention span or half life of a post is trending. I may do a little analysis on it since I do have commenting stats available for millions of blogs in a time series, I could probably see if half life is changing. Are you noticing changes in the volume of comments or just the time span over which they occur?
- Marcel LeBrun
Maybe everyone is following your advice and subscribing to larger and larger numbers of people, increasing the flow and increasing the competition for mindshare?
- Brian Sullivan
By the way, have you noticed how I use both FriendFeed and Twitter to start a conversation? Look at my Tweets: http://twitter.com/Scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
Marcel: volume of comments is going up, time span over which they occur is going down. It's like a mob comes by, then leaves.
- Robert Scoble
I hardly get ANY comments on friendfeed, ever. But I can always join an active conversation and have interaction that way.
- Christian Burns
Brian: that is VERY possible. I wish we had some way to study the behavior of crowds here and on Twitter. Unfortunately just looking back at the data is very difficult.
- Robert Scoble
Christian: I just looked at your FriendFeed and didn't see much I could engage on, or comment on. If there were, I bet you'd get more comments. Note my call to action, "discuss here:" -- that's the secret to getting people to engage on your FriendFeed items. Also, some things are just facts "I'm eating dinner" and some things start conversations "I hate eggplant."
- Robert Scoble
personally I think the most interesting question is what are the implications of everyone being conditioned with this model as their expectation for consuming information.
- Brian Roy
Re: comments. Useful blog posts of mine get comments for months and months. Commentary on something someone else does, not as much. I think it comes down to how much value you are adding to the conversation, especially as distribution and discovery get easier through things like Friendfeed.
- Sam Pullara
It is almost as if conversations are becoming more circumstantial or opportunistic and less intentional. Like this one... I didn't plan to come here and talk, but I saw you comment go by my IM feed and it was a topic I have been thinking about... so jumped in.
- Marcel LeBrun
Robert: Indeed. I proposed a revamped comment/reply system in the FriendFeed Feedback Room to possibly help alleviate some of this (in my opinion). Formal relationships between comments and replies. i.e. reply links after each comment. Replies can show in your feed and be archived. No ambiguity with message prefixes or lack thereof for whom they were directed. More control. Conversations can be more concretely mapped. Not a cure-all but can be helpful I think.
- Rolf Schewe
Robert, re: your comment to Broan on some way to study the behavior of crouds... if you could measure/trend anything you wanted on twitter to study this behavior... what would you want to measure?
- Marcel LeBrun
Interesting discussion. Twitter is a great way to spread yourself around, but 140 characters is hardly enough to build relationships. Taking the time to actually speak to one on one to most followers may have benefits in the long run.
- Jim Sparrow
Its interesting to see the life and rebirth of articles here, but I agree Robert, I rarely see content older than a week rise to the top again. Its very much like Digg in this way. Its too bad becuase its easy to miss some gems here without them getting community promoted a few times. Lately I've been clicking through to people profiles and viewing their likes/comments, finding lots of good older stuff here. Thanks for pointing this out on your own feed a few times. Its like curated aggregation. :)
- sean percival
Stuff is falling off quickly and I do think that has to do with the quantity but I wonder if here on FF there is a bit of a stigma to drag up something from a week or older.
- Andrew Smith
Andrew: same effect is happening, like Sean noted, on Digg. TechMeme blocks old articles from showing up again. Twitter? Yeah, right. YCombinator? New, new, new. Slashdot? New only, pretty much. Google Reader? New only. This isn't a FriendFeed only thing, it's just that FriendFeed is where a lot of people are showing up and it's increasing the flow so I'm noticing this effect.
- Robert Scoble
I was intrigued by your inital video on the topic. An interesting perspective, and one I agree with (even blogged about it!). Than said, I think overall internet activity/interaction has been especially slow this particular week due to the holiday.
- faryl
[sidenote:I've noticed what you've done by combining twitter with friendfeed to fuel conversations , and it's actually what pushed me to give ff a deeper look. The challenge is, as a new blogger, I'm leery to risk duplicate or over-tweeting resulting from ff updates. Still trying to find a system that works!]
- faryl
faryl: yeah, that's a problem. It's why I only post top-level FriendFeed items to Twitter. It's interesting, though, that the two audiences are often the same but people answer me first mostly on Twitter. I find that interesting too.
- Robert Scoble
I definitely agree - conversations survive for a short while - 1 to 2 hours tops. So, you're idea makes great sense and is really good advise. Chart the activity and you'll see most conversations die down within the same hour they were created. Folks are moving on to other "hot" items much faster now. Also, more people here, rooms have exploded in use, so all these fragments, including new FF Lists, will change user behavior, including conversation half-life stats, i.e. user interaction around 1 post
- Susan Beebe
Regarding what I'd study, I find it fascinating watching how a news article spreads from person-to-person. I'd love to watch a specific URL go through the social networks on places like Twitter or Facebook or here. I'd love to study how long an item continues getting conversation and whether that time is changing over time. But I'm not sure what else I'd study.
- Robert Scoble
I read this several days ago when you posted it, and I thought i would wait a few days and then post to see if I could extend the half life a bit. Guess what happened? I forgot about it. This is one of your better articles, and we are drowning in information. I like to read something, and spend some time thinking about before commenting, but now it seems like if you wait the conversation might be over! My reader fills up several times a day with over a 1000 articles. It's crazy. Nice Job!
- Michael Fidler
Good question. As behavior changes, perhaps FF can add something similar to FFholic and Best-of to keep interesting conversations alive longer. (a) A combination of "real-time" with your "x likes, y comments" idea (b) Maybe we need to revisit the "super-like" or "read me" idea - only 1 super-like per day
- Mitchell Tsai
I'd be curious what time of day and what days of the week were most 'popular'. I'm mostly online after work and mostly catch up on the day's postings in the evenings. Not sure how typical or not my activity is.
- Helen Hoefele
Perhaps if we (FF) were able to add the IM notification activation after you post a comment on a post, that could help sustain those stronger conversations. That way you could continue to be notified even if you weren't the originating author and allow the discussion flow to continue.
- Amani
Read the correspondence between Thomas Jefferson and John Adams to appreciate how far we have fallen in the domain of sustained and interesting conversations. That's one point. The other point: Friendfeed seems to be recapitulating the development of Usenet in terms of increasing compartmentalization and specialization (rooms are equivalent to newsgroups). Perhaps one needs specialization to develop a sustained and meaningful conversation.
- Sean McBride
Robert, it's pretty much typical to all forms of news, it has a currency of 30 minutes then it's superseded. If you want to have a more engaged conversation, then you have to control the medium fully, you can't have it both ways with FF comments on your blog etc. Quality wins most of the time.
- Bob Sonin
Sean: I'm pretty convinced that you can only have a meaningful conversation with three other people. More than that and the conversation starts falling apart.
- Robert Scoble
Bob Robot: I agree that quality wins. The problem is, where do the curves between cost to produce cross with the curve of readers? Obviously as I spend more to produce an item I will get more readers, but it is not a straight line. Compare $1 of time to produce an item vs. $15 vs. $100. I bet that spending $5 will bring me the most readers and that spending $100 will get me more, but won't get me 20x more. So, why should I spend $100 worth of metaphorical time?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: interesting, your theory of threes for the limit of optimal conversations. Sometimes two really strong minds exploring each other's differences and contrasting thoughts in an area of mutual expertise can produce the best conversational results (which is why my mind flashed to Jefferson and Adams).
- Sean McBride
Sean: try it out someday. Sit at a table with three other people. You'll probably have good conversations. Add a fifth person and it starts to bifurcate. Get to seven and it definitely will. Have 70? Noisy room.
- Robert Scoble
the volume of an expanding participants pool, the urge to be noticed by being the next 'early adopter' paid in terms of followers, a desire to show your passionate/on top of it all run run run. Hurry. No time to linger. Got another thought to share. Dedication means you need to keep moving
- MaryAnn Chick Whiteside
Agreed with Susan and Sean: more people = more conversations, fractured off into different areas. Perhaps the real question is whether the discussions on Twitter, Friendfeed and increasingly most blogs are really what we call "conversations"? A conversation requires talking and listening; it's easier to talk than ever, but harder to listen.
- Taylor Davidson
Robert, only you know the raw material costs and benefits involved in production but if you are building a trusted, credible brand, you need a mix of $1, $10, $100 items. The cost/profit will look after itself if you stay true to the brand and what it offers consumers. Focus on the totality of the offering and make sure you are getting supported by those who products/services you are supporting, or else don't. Quid pro quo.
- Bob Sonin
Bob Robot: that is exactly what I told the Washington Post's online crew when they had me come in and show them FF and Twitter. It's hard advice to stay true to, though, especially in a world where $100 items disappear within hours.
- Robert Scoble
It's the right thing to do and you will be rewarded in time; people have been and will continue to pay up for the perspective/insights of thought leaders in all sectors.
- Bob Sonin
I would say FF and Twitter have to a large extent reinvented the BBS and chat room. When people have a free few minutes during the day, they read their FF or Twitter feeds, bang out a comment or two and go back to their jobs or lives. We are becoming chat room moderators.
- Steve Wilhelm
I have noticed that almost every time someone new subscribes some existing items get liked or commented on. Now that just about everyone in the world is already subscribed to you - maybe you are missing that effect? ;-)
- Brian Sullivan
Brian: I see all. I'm actually watching this all happen with multiple accounts too. I think it's because I'm too noisy as well. I click so many "Likes" and "Comments" that I'm pushing my own items out of view very quickly. If I were smart I'd stop clicking "Like" on other people's items so that my own items would appear in more people's accounts for longer.
- Robert Scoble
Also, I'm watching from my other account and I see that things don't pop back up to the top because they are getting activity the way that they used to. That's a HUGE change in FriendFeed's "bump" algorithm.
- Fast Company
Yeah this post no longer bubbles up for me either-- in fact it seems to have disappeared from my main feed-- even though there is a lot of activity on it (and my activity as well) and not much else happening. It would seem to indicate that some sort of algorithm change.
- Brian Sullivan
Even if the algorithm hasn't changed it would seem to clearly be deficient.
- Brian Sullivan
I remember somebody from FF once indicated that after a certain number of comments/likes the bubble to top activity was suspended. We seem to have reached that here. I think that part of the algorithm sucks. Clearly a post only 2 hours old should not die.
- Brian Sullivan
I have missed a lot of good posts because of this, Brian. It makes no sense. An item is getting activity....so we bury it? I only saw this because it was posted on Twitter. To comment on the half-life of conversations: I tend to comment on stuff that was posted within the last day. Older then that, I probably don't bother. Not really a conscious decision, it's just how I came to operate.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Good discussion. Two different issues seem related here. 1) How long a discussion stays "active" being defined by new comments. 2) Visibility of original comment and following comments. Best of feature is potentially rich tuning tool here to discover best, deepest convo. Agree w/those that suggest this is an attention issue, however, relative visibility (one to all others) is driving comment opportunity because of visibility, or not.
- Dave Martin
As Steve Gillmor always says, Track. I think that would go a long way in mitigating much of the noise as well as the reply upgrade needed on FriendFeed that I mentioned earlier in this thread. It won't be solved by one single tool or feature. This has more to do with how we manage these mass conversations.
- Rolf Schewe
Conversations are an outlier to the GTD method. Think about it: it's not tidy to go back and have a conversation. We get in, comment, and get out. We might go back if it's something we have a passion for, but otherwise, we stick around, see who says what, and we run for it. Phone calls don't last for weeks. Is this the new phone? (Answer: yes).
- Chris Brogan
Rahsheen: the "Best of" Feature here on FriendFeed keeps these popular conversations around for more than a day. That's where I'm now visiting first in the morning. I think they separated out the "pop up" behavior to over there, because it was confusing people about why they saw some items over and over. I actually like the new behavior more, but it does cause the the conversation half life to go way down. We'll just have to find ways to bring it back up. I'm playing with them to find best practices.
- Robert Scoble
The interesting thing to me is that the longest thread around is this one which discusses the short life of threads. Perhaps it is just that this is really chat on a board in the old sense of Compuserve rather than anything that is really new. The board may be broad and diffuse in its topics but it is a board. From BBS to BBS in twenty years.
- Simon Lucy
I think this has come about because the tools to keep up with the conversation have lagged behind the tools to facilitate the conversation, if that makes sense. When following the tragedy in Mumbai, scanning through the hundreds of Twitter updates each minute, I realized it was impossible to follow as a conversation as 1) the noise of having so many sources, and 2) the inability to ascribe a viewpoint to those sources made it difficult to feel engaged as anything more than a voyeur.
- Ryan Toohil
as Jeff suggested on Scoble's "Lurker..." thread, "time of day" has a lot to do with the sustainability of a FriendFeed conversation --a function of when the original post was made in relation to the actual number of people online. An interesting measure would be to see how many times a conversation can make the journey around the globe, staying alive as prime conversation time turns with the sun...
- Brad Kligerman
If the intensity and sustainability of discussions on Friendfeed is dependent on skimming only the most recent posts at any given time, then this model of group communication is flawed and operating at a primitive level. A serious discussion can easily span days, weeks, months and years, but the user interface has to promote that kind of consciousness and concentration. Rooms based on special interests are a start.
- Sean McBride
Just joined friendfeed so I'm lacking experience to comment on ff convos. however I see this shortened half-life phenomenon happening in both twitter and regular blogging, even facebook. I try to keep up with the conversations but if I don't post a comment NOW then tomorrow or the next day, the dialogue on that post is probably over. w/o doing any research, I have a guess that the average normal buzz on any topic/post is between 8-24 hours. and then people move on.
- Jenn Castro
@Robert - funny how you were talking with the Washington Post's online crew about Friendfeed and twitter. Just this past SUnday I was walking the sports editor through the steps to use twitter (via Tweetdeck) so she could tweet with us during the Redskins game.
- Amani
As someone still fairly new to FF, I am still wondering at what point would contributing a comment get you labeled as a necromancer. I am usually afraid to comment on anything older than a day out of fear that either nobody will read it or even worse, dragging up "old stuff" will annoy people. Personally, I don't mind others dragging up old stuff if there is something relevant to contribute, and I am a part of many communities that feel the same.
- April Russo (app103)
But I am also quite aware that it isn't the norm and that the majority of communities have an unwritten protocol that "forbids" adding to a conversation after a certain span of time. I don't know what that time is around here. Hopefully I haven't crossed that line by contributing to this conversation.
- April Russo (app103)
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Mitchell Tsai, Frederick Johnson, Jimsang and 14 other people liked this
this is my first time listening to gillmor. i don't like it. steve gillmor is a rude interviewer. i bailed after 11mins. he's pushing friendfeed to clone twitter. they don't want to. he should let it go or build this clone himself
- @baratunde
Baratunde: you should listen after I come in. I want some of the same things. My four features I want? 1. XMPP so I can get FF in real time and talk with it via Google Talk. 2. SMS compatibility so I can get to it during disasters on my cell phone. 3. Much better filtering and querying abilities (aka Twitter's Track). 4. Ways to privately message people. That sure sounds a lot like I want FF to clone Twitter, but on the other hand, I don't want to lose FF's unique features, either.
- Robert Scoble
Baratunde: start listening at about 33 minutes in.
- Robert Scoble
I have to agree with Baratunde. I've just started to listen to the gillmor gang and steve was rude. It didn't really feel like Steve was interviewing the founders of FriendFeed but tell them how to run their company....via feedalizr
- Chris Rodgers
Chris: that's exactly what he was doing. And I think he's right to do so. I hope they listen.
- Robert Scoble
Plus, a big reason a lot of us do this is to have our side of the story heard. If we don't get to do that, then this turns into a job and/or a PR event. Screw that.
- Robert Scoble
Baratunde: you should especially listen at about 50 minutes when Marc Canter gives Steve Gillmor crap and he explains himself. "All the heroin has been taken off the streets."
- Robert Scoble
If I'm the FF guys, I don't mind very direct criticism. FF is on to a good thing -- they have plenty to be proud of -- and this sort of feedback is as good as pricey market research. It'll show them where the next level could be.
- Chris Baskind
Baratunde - I agree with you. Gillmor is a bit of a snob and very interrupty.
- Dino
I've listened to a few of these shows now, and though I agree that Gillmor is very rude and agressive I think he gets a very difficult job done, there are quite a few big ego's he has to deal with on his show
- Stephen B
from Alert Thingy
The last few minutes of the show were funny too, where Gillmor thanked the FF guys for putting up with his BS.
- Robert Scoble
known steve for years but can't listen to him podcast, to cantankerous, feel the same about mike vizard & he's a good friend :(
- mike "glemak" dunn
Wasn't that rude. Though the stuff with Chris Saad - wow. I was listening live on Ustream and it was *awkward*
- Jamie
Now that I'm coming down to the end of this episode. I'm glad I gave it a chance and listened to the complete episode. Gillmore raised some very good points but he is still very brutal to listen to.
- Chris Rodgers
Was my first time listening to Gillmore as well. The devil's advocate, "squeaky wheel" attitude works for him to a point. Some interesting arguments got fleshed out but I don't think I could listen to him for as long as I did in this interview. Things got better when Robert was able to chime in.
- James
Robert! No wonder you seem so bitter or angry lately. Get off of that show man. FIrst time listening, and it was BRUTAL!
- E.B.
from Alert Thingy
I listen to the Gillmor gang for the same reason I listen to right wing radio sometimes. To remind myself that I am sane :)
- Deepak Singh
I was a long time Gang listener, but I stopped when they went to Podshow, lost Jon Udell, and started splitting the show into 18 pieces. I've tried to go back a couple of times, but I just don't enjoy Calacanis or Arrington. It's just not a thoughtful show any longer.
- Ryan Toohil
@ Ryan listen to the show with Chris Messina the other day. Brilliant stuff
- Jamie
Agreed. That was the best Gang I've heard in a long long time (like Ryan, I miss Udell, Carr and the likes).
- Deepak Singh
horrible quality - horrible interviewer - but it´s about FF, so I had to listen *gg*...via feedalizr
- Dieter Schwarz
whoops. i left this thread for a bit. I will give the show a chance and listen through till the end in the next few days. thanks
- @baratunde
i finally listened to the rest of the show. you were right robert. it got better and more interesting. i get gillmor's style a bit more. still think he's a bit coarse, but listening to the entire show allowed me to see where he was coming from and why. i have a lot of respect for friendfeed for participating in such an exchange. i definitely learned a lot from all of you
- @baratunde
IMHO, placing Friendfeed in a "Twitter box" in terms of discussing it (by the show, not by Robert!) does a disservice to the company (Friendfeed) which should be judged on its own merits.
- Alex Hammer
Finally listening to this one. I suspect there's a vast global conspiracy to keep me from hearing this.
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
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