Funny, it's impossible to find a movie I can watch with my wife, but she did read that book too. Haven't heard if there's any interest in watching the movie yet.
- Ryan W
Hilarious - may all come to pass before 2018.
- Todd McKinney
Love it. But 2018? I'd except to be able to get Friend.com directly through the HUD in my flying car by then... Only silversurfers (like us) would still use "web browsers" in 2018.
- Tony Ruscoe
Twitter feed not available? That may come to pass at 10:30.
- Bill Bittner
And what's up with "low karma comments"? I thought the karma thing left us in the seventies... but yes, everything comes on cycles...
- Alex von Halem
You've got the Google thing backwards :)
- Paul Buchheit
Hey, I just noticed I'm in the screenshot. :D @Paul: ? What's backwards, where?
- Voyagerfan5761
Actually, it missed one important thing - a HUGE ad, taking up the top half of the screen, for a substance that is just as effective as Viagra (which was banned in 2011).
- Ontario Emperor
I think Paul's saying that in 2018 ff will own google
- j1m
It's comforting that hitting monkeys will still be as popular in 2018 as they are now.
- Ginger Makela Riker
One thing they got wrong: by 2012, Paul will have started his own country southwest of Alaska on an artificial island. It'll be called Free Festivusland, and it'll get the top-level domain “ff”. FriendFeed will then be http://ff/ — no dots or coms or nets or orgs.
- Amit Patel
I think the web will be voice and audio driven in 10 years, or at least it will be available. There's even some startup now that can sense nerve pulses to the vocal chords to know what you'll say before you actually say it.
- Mike Reynolds
I think comments won't be replaced by nested commented, just like @ in twitter, many people like this.
- terababy
Mike Reynolds, now I'm scared. Very scared. I'll get myself in trouble before I actually hear what I'm saying (rather than after).
- Ontario Emperor
For some reason, the Facebook deal makes this future user interface look more likely.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
I think that this helps Twitter get to the next level. Why? Because it brings us deep inside Twitter where we see what they are thinking. It humanizes Twitter. It opens up Twitter in a way that Facebook simply won't be able to respond to.
- Robert Scoble
The pulse of the planet. You've gotta' love that.
- Gregg Morris
James: me too, but at least it shows that there's leaders there.
- Robert Scoble
It shows them to be very deliberate and thoughtful about a lot of things, that's for sure.
- Bill Kinney
If I were at Facebook now I would have a hacker "steal" my internal plans and publish them too. This is great PR for Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
ah crap techcrunch has lost it, stupid journalism and unwanted
- Keith Dsouza
Whether it's good or not for Twitter the whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth from TC perspective.
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
Awesome? Asking for a "full license to the content (including commercial use)", doesn't sound very awesome to me. http://cliq.cc/asfxl
- Darren
Should have turned the docs over to the authorities. Take the high road not the road to more page views.
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
This came up in our discussion, this might actually help Twitter. This is the first time everyone's pretty much siding with them and giving twitter sympathy. We have a great discussion on the matter going on here: http://davidspinks.com/2009...
- David Spinks
It's still in bad taste. What would he say if his company's internal strategy were leaked and publicly scrutinized by competitors? This is a plus for Twitter because they sound like they have things together, but Arrington and TechCrunch just look petty and opportunistic.
- ServInt
Although just about any news outlet would do the same thing, so it's hard to fault him entirely.
- ServInt
it reads to me like Arrington is leveraging possession of these documents to make twitter say "thank you, sir! may i have another?". i just can't get behind that. Dave Winer points out people are interested and want to know about this. true - myself included - but it will all come to light soon enough. is anyone making book on whether there will be a glass houses moment for TechCrunch?
- jeffscott
Robert , cant agree more, this is great PR for Twitter. Maybe this is whole incident is going according to Plan ? If the French site got these tonnes of doc's why did they not pub them too eh ?? after all its a scoop correct ?
- Peter Dawson
I suspect in the end it will be a win win for both parties TC and Twitter.
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
Just like paparazzi pics of Britney Spears topless make her look freaking awesome. TC is the new National Enquirer for nerds.
- jcunwired
Twitter just looks like all the rest of us, innovating away, not really sure where they are going. It all looks very real and normal to me.
- Graeme Sutherland
I'm with Molly Wood on this. Dick move Tech Crunch.
- Tom McCoy
Twitter may look awesome but I think it makes TechCrunch look awful. When you use the word "stolen" it's like you don't think they were but they were. This is TechCrunch profiting off stolen goods which is illegal when it comes to tangible items. I think they should have turned them over to Twitter with a hey dude I think you might want these back.....
- Jerranna
I guess what I'm wondering is why any of it was "secret" to begin with. If they want me to invest in them, this is the kind of thing they should be telling me.
- Matthew DeVries
I have to agree with Darren, I don't like the concept that Twitter wants "full license to the content (including commercial use)." Their "content," as I understand it, are the thoughts and musings of all us tweeps. Sure, lots of people, myself included, also use Twitter to promote an article or some other sort of publicity. But what about the more random thoughts that are posted? I...
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- Ian Paul
Not sure it makes them look awesome, but it certainly is not hurting them being talked about. I mean as a user, at the end of the day, do you feel good about the poor security job by a company trying to be a major media player?
- Patrick Boegel
I feel conflicted. On one side, I do not agree with what Techcrunch did. I understand why, but the ethical issues have me filing this under my long in the tooth file called "I have personal issues with what journalists sometimes do, but appreciate the fact that they do it." (Watergate, anyone?) Moving on... I am also fascinated. Twitter have, literally, made a monster. For a while it...
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- Andy Bold
Phase 1 - Release documents showing what we'd like to do. Phase 2 - Do something else. Phase 3 - Profit
- Keith Barrett
from Android
Looks they know who they are but is it deliberate?
- ashish
Re: my earlier comment about licensing content. I just got to the document where Twitter discusses content licensing options. I like the issues they're pondering and the consideration for the average user. Let's hope that kind of awareness remains. I'm impressed by the process Twitter is going through, and the thoughtfulness these documents express. But does it make them look awesome?...
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- Ian Paul
"Audience size: 1st to a Billion = Awesome" - I imagine the Twitter guys throwing up the horns and headbanging when they read this to themselves.
- Bryan Zirkel
It's a link farm. There's no conversation going on there. But hey, we need one of those. Just like we need a World Wide Rolodex called Facebook. It's all good.
- Stephen Pickering
i think it's a bull$hit story, for new bogus cyber laws, and also to distract from the Goldman Sachs/Quantum Trading Shakeup scandal ; see http://ff.im/5dh9T +++ and also btw: http://ff.im/5jNoC LaToyah Jackson Twitter-Follow autoUpdate delayed by Twitter
- ewing2001akaNicomedy2010
Again, I think Twitter could have stolen the thunder away from TechCrunch here and just published it all ahead of time. They had a huge opportunity.
- Jesse Stay
I think I would call this in favor of Twitter. They have been very close to the vest about their plans to the point that people have speculated (too long) that there are no plans or they are too scattered to have any plans. In the absence of communication / information, people have been filling in the "blanks" with their own information and most of it has not been good. So, by giving us...
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- Brenda Young
I will let you know my personal opinion after getting my “advisor shares” :)))
- Nir Ben Yona
Actually, the "Twitter Papers" stolen and leaked make them look like a company in the thrall and haze of early momentum trying to figure out what do next...trying not to be stupid and squander what they, and many of us, sense is an historic commercial, consumer and social moment. Their apparent bouncing from suitor meeting to suitor meeting to acquisition analysis and back to competitor...
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- Thom Kennon
Feldman has gotten hold of all 320 pages it seems, heh
- Mark
I love the idea, a lot of my hopes for twitter may not be (such) a pipe dream anymore. It would be great if they came through on 1/2 of the ideas "posted" by TC.
- Adam
Twitter is now claiming on their blog that they do not agree with what arrington posted regarding their consent.
- Bill Kinney
Bill: Actually, they seem to further equivocate, saying they didn't give "permission for these documents to be shared". That could simply refer to them giving the thief permission to "share" with TC... not denying they let Arrington publish them with, my guess is, agreed edits and redacts. Schonfeld is very quiet about all this. Would be interesting to sweat him out a bit...
- Thom Kennon
In my opinion TC shouldnt public any of these docs ,,,,they are stolen and there is no way that this site or another will use them
- Johni Fisher
what do you mean Johni? gawker have stated tonight they will post the whole set of documents if someone sends them to their inbox
- Mark
TC is doing Twitter a favor. By controlling what gets out Twitter remains happy, it remains controversial, and Twitter gets more exposure than they could ask for. Otherwise you can bet they will end up on wikileaks somewhere (and they probably will anyway).
- Jesse Stay
Jesse Stay: do you see an opportunity in the way that these docs landed on the TC table ... sorry they should protect Twitter and help them to find the one that made that, TC has an important space today in the tech world and they sould protect companies like Twitter
- Johni Fisher
Johni, even more so, TC has a responsibility as a journalist to report the news, and protect their sources at the same time. I imagine the reporting here and discussions with Twitter were done in a very business-like manner, offering Twitter the opportunity for a ton of exposure if Twitter in turn would agree not to sue them. The other alternative would be the entire documents would end...
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- Jesse Stay
Jesse : if there is fire somewhere will you join ? or try to help ?TC has much more than just responsibility,I cant see any other way to publish these docs with out the 100% OK of Twitter ,and if some one will ask me ,I am sure that all this story is with the 100% ok from them ,TC will not take any risk on that ,,,its funny that most of us are belivers :-)))
- Johni Fisher
Johni, I'm saying this leak is the best thing that could have happened to Twitter. There's no fire, and Tech Crunch is only helping to make it better. What would be worse is it appearing on Wikileaks with no exposure in any way by TechCrunch. Twitter's trying to downplay it right now because they have to or their investors will be all over them. Twitter couldn't ask for better exposure though. Controversy is what makes products.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse:If Twitter are not ok with the action it should never be on the Air ,sorry that I cant agree about TC helping Twitter and not losing the big news to other bloger ,,,LOL TC has much more to lose than other bloger ,,, and if I was Twitter founder I would make 20-50 million usd just by asking TC to pay quickly with out the court ,,,,I am sure that this story if Twitter will act with...
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- Johni Fisher
"Stolen" indeed. These docs were written to be leaked.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Yeah, no typos, no mistakes in grammar, no margin notes, revision notes, just pages and pages of pure gold.
- Matthew DeVries
It look like Twitter is going public ... lets see
- Johni Fisher
Anyone that previously thought the they don't have a plan to generate revenue is now proven wrong. They certainly spend a considerable amount of time thinking about that.
- Joe Buhler
A little too much to think of twitter as "the pulse of the internet", but they do look awesome. Wonder if it wasnt all just a big PR stunt.. it came on a very good timing!
- Leonardo Saraceni
and seem to have a clue as to how to get there too, Joe.
- Bill Kinney
I have issues with TC's decision to publish this info but I'll admit that I read every word of that last post. I'm blown away by how much information was revealed. My head is spinning digesting all of the info and wondering how all of those potential partnerships will be impacted.
- Mike Doeff
stolen is the key word. not leaked, but stolen. it pisses me off that @arrington is trying to make this whole thing look like he is doing twitter a favor by helping them with their security isuues and so on. the right thing to do would have been to email @ev or whomever and tell them they had been hacked. delete the documents off of his computer and report the story with twitters permission. if it were leaked info, i think @arrington could do whatever he wanted with the info.
- Tobias Lewsadder
another issue is the burning of bridges... did @arrington shoot himself in the foot by doing this? will twitter ever grant him an interview? will twitter ever come to him with breaking news? will twitter investors like kevin rose ever trust arrington? and... after the whole @leolaporte issue where everyone was hating on @arrington and he stated that he feared for his personal safety, is...
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- Tobias Lewsadder
How does this conversation change in light of this from @ev? http://twitter.com/ev... In my eyes, it says "TC are either misleading their readers, incompetent, or full of BS."
- Andy Bold
And I am reminded of all the -is vitriol too strong a word?- directed at last.fm reference their data sharing without, as far as I can see so far, any real evidence displayed by TC. How is it that TC will publish "secret" Twitter docs, but not post any docs supporting the last.fm allegations? Inconsistent and sloppy.
- Andy Bold
Mostly it makes TC look like a bunch of assholes.
- Bas
I am sure they are not assholes, but their editorial policy is spotty at best, and broken at worst.
- Mark
The funny thing about Arrington, is when it all gets too much for him he goes on vacation. He is publishing stolen documents and getting slammed for it, but of course its all about him, so he proclaims he is running away to las vegas.
- Mark
Of course he thinks he is a martyr now for publishing this. He tweeted something like "taking the sword in the back" for the good of the industry. You better believe if it was a blog with less influence than TC, or less power than Arrington there would have been cease and desists and other legal things from TWITTER.
- Mark
I thought there was some kind of law against stealing and/or publishing internal business documents. Espionage. Maybe Twitter's business model just became suing TechCrunch?
- beersage
@Mark - Twitter has more "Charisma" in my opinion... meaning more folks would come to Twitter's defense if they sued TechCrunch than consider them 'evil.' They'd probably have to show that the release of the documents has damaged their business.
- beersage
Take a look at that Twitter blog post posted a few hours ago, it seems to suggest they might go after people who publish internal documents
- Mark
They aren't suing anyone. They engineered this. They're posturing as part of the rouse.
- Matthew DeVries
But why would they leak documents in which they say Marissa at google is a pain in the ass?
- Mark
Because she does, in fact, induce rectal pain?
- Matthew DeVries
I highly doubt Twitter set this up as a hoax. It makes them look incredibly dumb for lack of security.
- Kevin Whalen
from email
From what I've read it's all good press,all power to ya Twitter.
- Richard Kawane Sr
Small minds talk about people, great minds discuss ideas. Can we move the conversation to open vs. Closed and transparency in modern businesses. What about the effect social media is having on this shift.
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
Indeed. If felt a bit like nosing around into someone's secret diary but it does make them look smart, deep thinking and a bit dreamy (which is not necessarily bad.) I am not sure I am ok with TechCrunch publishing it though. And I loved this: “unusually happy place to work in”.
- Ina Ghita
ScottBourne: welcome to our legal system where if there are two conflicting interests things sometimes get warped. There's lots of legal precident here for stolen docs to be sharable publicly because of our First Amendment. Twitter would probably lose a suit, according to the legal analysis I've seen. This is why journalists and lawyers aren't liked, though. No one ever said this business is nice.
- Robert Scoble
Wreaks of publicity stunt to this skeptic...
- Dale
IMO, dealing in stolen good is just that. publishing them doesn't change anything. sure, there are times that some have purposefully stolen documents with the express purpose of publishing them - sometimes to expose crimes, etc. it's still stealing and some go to jail for such actions no matter the motive or outcome. finally publishing stolen Twitter docs doesn't come close to journalistic acts of publishing stolen government docs in an effort to thwart crimes so don't even go there.
- MikeAmundsen
I side with Twitter on the whole thing (mostly since they admitted to being in the wrong), but to an extent, I question the validity and integrity of the documents, since nobody outside of Twitter has seen them (Barring whoever supposedly submitted them to TechCrunch, and the few people who read the related blog posts).
- Tyson Key
Gotta agree with Dale... this seems pretty contrived. And coming off the heels of techcrunch, where real-time media is all the rage, it seems like a planned way to build buzz on the Twit
- Mark Gordon
it is good PR for new hire: great ambitions
- Jadito
The perception from the docs is that they are diligently planning and internalizing their growth. That said going from 25 million users to 1 Billion in just 4 years would be breathtaking -- and far beyond the faster than any communication paradigm ever in the history of the planet.....Is this planned? That seems unlikely. Should they have been posted by TechCrunch -- no.
- Shane Pearson
They will achieve such ambition if they are bought by a bigger one. What is freaking.is if they change their privacy policy like Facebook did.
- Eric Gourmet
It's obvious that Laporte can not monetize Twitter and his edge...
- Eric Anderson
Perhaps everyone will go for self-hosted "open microblogging"?
- coldbrew
When I launched www.namechk.com on April 1, I exclusively used Twitter to get the news out. CNET picked it up, Lifehacker, Mashable and many many other blog/news sites. Site traffic has compounded daily and RT's on Twitter were through the roof. In 12 days we had over 2000 bookmarks on delicious and almost a hundred thousand unique visitors from StumbleUpon alone. I don't think Twitter is peaking, I think the crowd is learning how to leverage Twitter properly - its use is maturing, not peaking.
- David Gosse
We're already here. Found it was a good place to chat and find new content.
- Richard A.
David: If twitter continues to fail to address their hiring, scalability, user-notification, and reliability issues, they are peaking. The follower numbers game is killing them. Further, if they don't start having someone AT twitter start to USE twitter, they're going to lose because their competitors are all over it.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Hey Rob! Thanks for the feedback (and your support of namechk). I agree with your analysis about Twitter's scalability issues and that could in fact kill them as you say. But that aside, I think critical user-mass has been achieved and those users are just now figuring out how to leverage Twitter.
- David Gosse
My question would be, what is the next thing and is it already out there?
- Adam Martin
David: Yes you're correct that people are figuring out how to leverage it. But as with anything cool online(or IRL) as soon as the masses figure out its cool, they come in and use up all the cool In just the last couple months I've watched twitter surge in number hungry spammers. hard to cut through all the noise there. But it's doable. :) (and you're welcome!)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I don't think the management at Twitter really cares. They are going to cash out shortly for a billion or more and they just want to keep feeding the celebrity hype machine until that happens and keep from stumbling bad enough that everyone stops hyping.
- Robert Scoble
I think Scobez hit the nail on the head there.
- Chrimmus Tad
Sell twitter for a billion? Then that would mean facebook is worth twenty eight trillion dollars.
- Richard A.
What company is going to pay $1B for Twitter. That is an absurd idea, and it will never happen in 2009.
- coldbrew
Ugh A billion $$ for a hosed up system that's really just a name and a hype machine. Hope it's worth it ;) But You're absolutely correct on that one Robert. They would be fools to hang onto it. I don't think that Twitter has the (human) resources to pull it together long enough to hold out for an IPO.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
coldbrew: you have no idea how much hype Twitter is getting. That translates into BIG dollars. I hear it everytime I turn on the TV and radio.
- Robert Scoble
I can think of a lot of media organizations that would love to get their hands on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter is only valuable as long as it's stand alone, and as long as the community is involved. Buying that community for a billion would be a waste of money. Buying FB for that would be a smart investment.
- Richard A.
I have no idea? Ok, you are right. Good supporting argument...
- coldbrew
@scobleizer Very true. In fact, associates of mine who DO NOT EVEN OWN A COMPUTER talk/ask me about it. "So, do you Twitter?"
- Aaron Kurtz
coldbrew: just watch and see. Twitter is going to sell for many hundreds of millions of dollars and possibly more than a billion. Even in this economic climate.
- Robert Scoble
Hey Scoble, how long have you been saying that?
- Joel Bennett
Joel: a while. Twitter already turned down somewhere around a quarter billion of Facebook stock.
- Robert Scoble
I also feel that the push marketing (spam) on twitter needs to be addressed. I receive a lot of follow notifications from people who are just looking for a "follow-back", so they can tweet large amounts of URL spam at me. Combine this URL shortening services, that masks the true destination of the link, make this a really unpleasant experience. I am now a lot more careful about who I follow. Twitter feels like it's quickly sliding the direction of MySpace, in terms of signal to noise ratio.
- Michael Roberts
$1B != Hundreds of millions. Your usage of hyperbole is astounding, even for a blogger. I will bet you Twitter will not sell for over $500M in 2009 (if ever).
- coldbrew
Maybe Twitter doesn't want to sell. Maybe they want to compete...
- Joel Bennett
coldbrew: when I say "many hundreds of millions" I'm thinking above 500 million. Wanna bet? Might be fun way to give some money to charity.
- Robert Scoble
Just b/c Twitter turned down an amount does not mean they are worth more. It may have been a stupid decision, though it was at FB's $15B valuation, so getting paid fluff doesn't sound like a good exit either.
- coldbrew
I'd be interested in viewing a charity bet off...
- Patrick Boegel
catrett: I assume he is referring to the likes of the NYT or News Corp.
- coldbrew
I think both Steve and Robert have the situation spot on. Twitter, like Facebook, is now for the masses, not the geeks or influencers, and someone (like NewsCorp did with MySpace) will buy it at the height of its popularity and watch it drop to a lower place in both users and buaa. But the big question to me is still unanswered. Where do the geeks go whten Lady GaGa and Kraft Macaroni and Cheese take over the noise on Twitter?
- Mark Edwards
Mark: we both know the answer to that. You're a geek, right? It's here, Reddit, StackOverflow, and hopefully Building43 in the future. Of course if I have my way Building43 will be built using friendfeed so...
- Robert Scoble
Scoble: At least nobody will ever accuse you of being a pessimist.
- coldbrew
So to what charity and at what amount will all these people agreeing with Scoble (and including Scoble) donate? What is the date by which this must occur. Put your money where you mouth is.
- coldbrew
btw, I don't agree with Steve's point that superficiality rules based in part due to anonymity, any "corporation" or brand being very successful right now has identifiable individuals at the helm, not just an autobot
- Patrick Boegel
everyone ends up on Friendfeed - Twitter on steroids
- Thomas Power
How about if I win you donate $100 to Red Cross? If you win I donate $100 to a charity of your choosing (not your own pocket!). Let's say "Twitter sells by end of the year for more than $500 million (I win). If they don't sell or they sell for less you win.
- Robert Scoble
I'm game for that, but I need a bit more time to select the charity. You must also write a blog post at some point afterward detailing why you are donating to w/e the charity is (my 'handle' should not be included). Deal?
- coldbrew
If FF is used correctly, Twitter just becomes a mere piece of the puzzle, rather than the entire puzzle.
- Fleagle
An interesting article on where Twitter is going (or not going)
- rob
Fleagle: Exactly how I see it. I expect that we'll start to see more and more services like Friendfeed as well. The whole internet has always been built like this. Layer upon layer
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Twitter.com is peaking. The use of "twitter" type service has just gotten started.
- Jeremy Felt
Strands has a lot of great sites. Strands Music is awesome, but weird in that I used to listen to it daily. Went back about a month ago and it didn't even have my login information.
- Admiral Anika
Yet again another US-centric site :(
- Glenn Slaven
Can you link with your bank account?
- Didier Lahely
Didier, yes, it's very much like Mint
- Alan Cheslow
I been using it since from a month, to understand my spending pattern. It’s also possible to check current balances and receive text alerts after signing up here.
- Monica
If I'm already an active mint.com user, is Money Strands worth my time setting up?
- Alan Le
I'm with edythe & alan. Is this a companion to mint, or should I think about jumping ship?
- Don Faulkner
I'm a sucker for almost any new webapp - I'll try it. Mint is terrible (incorrectly categorizes everything and does not learn from my corrections) and Quicken is very buggy.
- Chris Rogers
Chris, MoneyStrands is definitely way better than Mint.
- Admiral Anika
If Twitter had a wisdom of the crowds element -- if all the ramblings and questions actually were answered intelligently, that would be HUGE. It would become an instant Wikipedia type store of knowledge. And if your circle of friends were A-list, then an A-list store of knowledge.
- Alex Hammer
Not sure who you follow, but I have asked and the twitter hive mind has responded many times.
- Christian Burns
I guess it depends on the size of your hive. My hive-mind is more like a few autonomous bumblebees.
- Ken Morley
Depends how you define expectations. If I ask a question, I hope for an answer. But I only expect to get an answer roughly 50% of the time.
- Bill Bittner
Agreed. I put questions out there, without any real expectation for an answer. Sometime I get an answer, and that's good. Most of the time there's just silence.
- Sandra Fernandez
I don't like the silence of it sometimes. Sometimes I really do want to know a least 10 people's opinion.
- Corvida
Alex H: Isn't what you're describing Yahoo Answers. Albeit better quality answers. And you can also get quality answers in the Answers section in Linked In.
- Bill Bittner
I've answered questions on LinkedIn, but never posted one. Mine seem to small for that, somehow.
- Sandra Fernandez
I know this is an oldie, but curious what you think of services like @lazytweet, @toask, and @qna which provide Q&A on top of twitter. Maybe these will help make clear tweets that are expectant of an answer (disclosure, I built lazytweet).
- Ryan W
maybe it's just the chatty people I follow - but they ask questions, expect answers, and answer me a lot too... huh.
- Lucretia Pruitt
Pretend twitter users did provide answers. Can you imagine the citation? "I read it on twitter, so it must be true!"
- DGentry
I've just read your enormous post and I still don't really know what a community manager is. I challenge you in one sentence, using plain English to explain what a community manager is.
- Charlie
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Good post... I agree with l0ckergn0me: it's about scope and awesomeness. Either of those gets large and the ability to adequately engage and speak to a community diminishes.
- Clay Newton
Charlie, here's one sentence. A community manager is someone who communicates with a company's users/customers, development team and executives and other stake holders in order to amplify the work of all parties. Second sentence, just in case you'd like it: They probably provide customer service, highlight best use-cases of a product, make first contact in some potential business partnerships and increase the public visibility of the company they work for. Thanks, by the way Charlie, I've added to post.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
My 2 cents: At the very beginning, when the startup consists only of founders you can select CM out of them. If you don't have a person that can pull it (meaning someone with marketing, PR, BDM skills) your startup is going to be in trouble anyway - it means you have just engineers on the team. Another issue: CM is not a PR2.0, it's CRM 2.0 - back in the days CRM was about getting input...
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- Marcin Grodzicki
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Marshall, thanks for thinking I was useful enough to quote. It turned into great article and well informative. How informative? Well, we just got a part-time Community Manager and the first thing I did was have him read this article, the comments, the Digg comments, and go from there. :) In our case, as a marketplace for video games, systems, and accessories - the community is more than...
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- Sachin Agarwal
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For me this new job description signals two important developments: first, the increasing confluence of PR and marketing; second, the end of thinking of the consumer as standing behind a huge wall that is only semi-permeable with (unidirectional) tools like market research (that's the way Rob Kozinets put it and I like this metaphor very much). So I would add that Community Managers...
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- Benedikt Koehler
I've settled on "Network Facilitator", but noticed the need back when I was heavily involved in NZ MovieFest - if a community is fostered, it flourishes into something is not only worth money, but worthwhile. Of recent times, I'm seeing more and more community managers - and not just for start-ups, but for larger companies as well. Bring back community, eh?
- Jo Booth
Yoouuu cannot say filth flarn filth flarn filth in front of people! ---Bill Cosby
- Michelle Marie Miller
Some studio execs sat around and thought, "Hmmm... what can we do to make Eddie Murphy big again?" This was the best they could come up with.
- Vince DeGeorge
Exploring The Monetization of Artificial Intelligence Recommendation Engines : Strands Founder Francisco Martin (Part 1) - http://sramanamitra.com/2008...
Removed due to insanity, more like. Glad I was on FF and got to see it b4 it was removed. Actually: I'm not sure I should be so glad. Some things are better kept under the rug.
- Alex von Halem
Goes to show: you can't remove something from the internet. If you act like a douche in front of a camera, you're going to have to live with it. Thanks for the laughs, Bill.
- ben bloch
SocialThing says: "We have had to temporarily disable a few of our services, due to user growth. We hope to have them back up soon!" - http://www.socialthing.com/
Some of them, I think I'd be okay with it. I think there's a sign of a larger scalability problem if they did, though. Service import, as far as I know, is horizontally scalable.
- Mark Trapp
FF can do what it wants, and I think that goes for most sites in their developmental stage. Until advertisers come in and rape the site, or FF figures out a premium service that you can pay for, they have no real obligation to the user. Although, as a friend of the feed, I would feel a lil empty without it, lol.
- Anthony
It would be totally unacceptable to me if was paying for FF. Does any one still use socialthing? They have not added any new services or features in a long time.I have not been back to there site in months since i discovered FF.
- Mike Fruchter
This is why I bet on FriendFeed. The team is extremely important. Also, location. Why? Scaling expertise. The guys who started FriendFeed started Gmail and Google Maps. They know how to build systems for hundreds of millions of people. This stuff isn't easy, as Twitter is demonstrating to us. FriendFeed makes me feel more and more confident I made the right choice every day.
- Robert Scoble
Does anyone have any predictions on what FF might offer as a premium service for an additional fee?
- Anthony
hopefully they will bring the services back online soon
- Tyler Gillies
I'd love to delete my nearly-useless SocialThing! account, but there's no capability to do so. :-/
- Voyagerfan5761
Yes, Mark is right on spot to notice that. :D
- Daniel Schildt
Wow... so this is what its like to have Robert Scoble "in your face".
- Brandon LeBlanc
from twhirl
I'm sure many startups would LOVE to go on FastCompany.tv, but there's no possible way that you could keep up with the the sheer volume of them, is there?
- Eric Florenzano
So Robert, when can we get you out in Salt Lake City? I'll show you around to some cool new and established startups. We've got quite the scene, Geek lunches and dinners weekly, events going on often.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
and why does his head look squished? :)
- Steven Hodson
actually, the play button on his lips would have been more apt.
- bvs
Morgan: I just need a pitch. I only have a few slots a month, August is being planned now. It's easier if you come to San Francisco, or are here already, but I'll be traveling around quite a bit this year (trips to Seattle, Washington DC, Los Angeles, New York, China, Amsterdam, Boston, Paris are already on my board. So, why should you be on?
- Robert Scoble
Salt Lake City? Right now I don't have any plans, sorry. Can you come out to SF?
- Robert Scoble
Hey Robert, This sounds really interesting. I am in the midst of launching my startup and we would like to work with you on Fast Company TV. What are the next steps. btw the site is Mugasha.com
- Akshay Dodeja
I will be in San Fran June 13 - 22 and would like to grab lunch
- Akshay Dodeja
I'm in San Francisco right now (for Google I/O), but I can't bring all the Utah startups out to San Francisco unfortunately. I'll show you what I'm working on next time I'm out though once it matures a little more.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
Email. scobleizer@gmail.com. My calendar is public and is here: http://www.google.com/calenda... -- that timeframe isn't very good, though, which is why I'm already planning out August (heck, most of September is already planned, for that matter). Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
Jesse, you around tomorrow? Wanna come to Disqus with us? We'll be going there at 3 p.m.
- Robert Scoble
Hey Robert, I just sent you an email :)
- Akshay Dodeja
Robert, ooh, that's cutting it close. My flight goes out from SFO at 5:25 pm - think I'll have time to make it out to SFO afterwards to get on my flight? I'd love to come.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
Oh, that is cutting it close. You'll probably make it, but that's within the golden hour, so that's tough. Do you need to return a car? Or do you just want us to drop you off?
- Robert Scoble
You can just drop me off - I don't have a car. Tell me where to meet you. I have one small suitcase and my carryon - is that okay?
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
hey robert - thanks for the response. you should have us on because we're a small company making tons of online video for a wide range of businesses with a new video ad format and real revenue to boot. i'll email you at the above. we're in SF which is nice.
- Morgan
Hey Robert, I sent you an e-mail about messagedance.com being on FastCompany.tv. Get back to me whenever you have a few seconds of free time.
- Danish Khan
from twhirl
Jesse: yeah, that's fine. I'll be at the Revision 3 studios until probably about noon. Then I gotta run to Pacifica to pick Rocky up. Then I can pick you up. Call me tomorrow at 425-205-1921.
- Robert Scoble
Matthias I'll be in China probably in October. Still arranging things, though.
- Robert Scoble
You can just drop me off - I don't have a car. Tell me where to meet you. I have one small suitcase and my carryon - is that okay?
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
sorry for the dupe - Twhirl's bugging out on me
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
Will do - I'll call you tomorrow. I can be flexible on where I meet you.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
Hi Robert - will you be in the UK at all? Just emailed you our pitch if so.
- IanBlackburnold
IanBlackburn I'll be in Paris in December for the LeWeb conference, but not sure I'll get to London/UK this time.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks Robert! Hopefully see you earlier than that :-)
- Matthias Henze
Robert: I think we will be going to LeWeb actually - can we meet up there?
- IanBlackburnold
Ian, yes, would love to meet you at LeWeb in Paris!
- Robert Scoble
Great! I'm looking forward to it - I'll ping you closer to the time to fix something up if that's ok.
- IanBlackburnold
I'll shoot you an email right now to plan something for September if you are available this time (I failed at least twice in April in SF) to interview the Profy team. Hope it'll work :)
- Svetlana Gladkova
Hey Robert, would love to meet in New York! Just sent you an email
- Ilan Abehassera
How many of you are enjoying FriendFeed with all the Tweets hidden? For me it has been a lot less noisy and Im actually having time to check stuff that I find interesting before they disspear under a river of uniteresting tweets.
I'm using FF more than I have been lately and I'm liking it more and more. I don't really care for how twhirl is displaying the content though
- acedanger
from twhirl
Doesn't really make a difference to me, honestly.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I've been hiding all tweets unless they get a comment, and it's worked well, although now with ff use rising fast, I'm thinking blocking all tweets across-the-board.
- Todd Mundt
How do you hide the Tweets? Or is just because it isn't used as much today?
- Mike Wills
@Mike find a tweet, click "Hide", click "show more options" and select "hide all Twitter posts"
- Nathaniel Payne
I've set it FF hide tweets unless they have comments. It's a mixed blessing though. It's definitely a lot cleaner, but I do miss the tweets from friends of friends in FF (unless someone comments on them in FF).
- Tim Chemacki
@Todd- Well I did the same has you but I'm not gonna block commented Tweets because if they are commented on is because they might be interesting or have some kind of value.
- Gadiel Rivera
One last question, what if I want the tweets back after I hide them? Where do I "unhide" them?
- Mike Wills
@Mike Willis - Click the "show hidden items" link at the bottom of the FF page.
- Tim Chemacki
Thanks everyone, I am trying it out now.
- Mike Wills
it's actually pretty interesting -- most of the stuff showing up have discussions on them
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
I've been hiding twitts -except the commented/liked ones since the very begining as it's both an essential way to 'make room' for other FF content AND a powerful way to filter twitter
- julian_marain
HA! Sorry Bwana (backs away sheepishly)
- Andrew Dobrow
Hope you didn't hide the comments too Robert. Lots of good conversations start with Tweets.
- Chris Rossini
Now you'll never see my twitters! You're not subbed to me over there. (You're not missing much.)
- Akiva Moskovitz
@Chris- Thats why I still haven't done it. Update: I have surrender all twits are hidden now. Wanted to ask, Robert how can I get Twitter on Google Chat?
- Gadiel Rivera
I just hid all Scoble entries. Damn, that sure changes FriendFeed into something without as much noise! ;)
- Brooks Bayne
I'm only doing it for the next day. I already miss all the Tweets.
- Robert Scoble
HA! I couldn't help but laugh at that Wolfsbayne :-D (Like I should talk)
- Andrew Dobrow
Just did this the other day too, I agree, much cleaner. Still curious why FF doesn't create a way to filter out services.
- Ryan W
Ryan, you can filter by service, that's what we're talking about. Hide any post using that service and click for more options.
- Andrew Dobrow
Says the one who is causing most of the noise... :)
- Alexander Falk
FILTER FILTER FILTER. this is what all our services need but especially Friendfeed. yes that rhymes. i want to filter by person. and filter by service. and filter by person/service. so i could turn off scoble's tweets but not all tweets. or turn off all google reader shares or temporarily mute a person. do it! now! it's been 15 minutes already :)
- @baratunde
Hiding Twitter in FF is cool, but the reality is that there is huge synergy there. Conversatiosn often start on Twitter.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
I've bookmarked the above links to avoid Tweets in the public timeline :D
- Bwana ☠
I've only enabled tweets w/ comments or likes figuring that the cream would raise to the top
- Bastard Operator From FF
You just killed the most intriguing part of FF. Congrats.
- Drew Lucas
@Andrew, you're right, my bad. I've been waiting for this, it's awesome. I was thinking he said he took his own twitter feed out of FF.
- Ryan W
I did the same has Sean, but with many of the users blocking out twitter we may never get to discover interesting tweets.
- Gadiel Rivera
Just so. Separate feeds for Twitter and FF (Twitter with comments only) makes for a fine mix.
- Ashton
Usually (non Twit-out days), I filter just about all Tweets for only those with comments or likes. If I want to discover new tweets, I peruse the public timeline. Otherwise, if I'm that interested in what's going on with Twitter, I go to Twhirl.
- Bwana ☠
Let's get this straight. Robert's hiding Twitter noise :) Incredibly sharp photo of ground zero you uploaded to Flickr
- Charlie Anzman
how long before everyone from there comes here and the noise is back?
- Nancy Babyak
I only by used cars and laptops from friends -- eg, people I've know for a long time and know how they drive.
- Ginger Makela Riker
I've never used eBay before, but that sounds just horrible. Why do they let it persist?
- DeWitt Clinton
"Shortly thereafter I received an email from 'PayPal' (who is now apparently sending out their customer service emails from gMail), stating that I had received a payment, but that it would not show up in my account until I emailed them back the tracking number for the parcel."
- bob
Why does eBay not directly handle payment (as they own PayPal and all) but leave it to customers instead, opening the system up for scams?
- Philipp Lenssen
My Dad had a similar spoof when he tried to sell his Used Truck on a website. If this spreads (meaning these 3rd world scammers make enough $ from the trickery) it could impact online commerce. Really its a social engineering scheme. Any online auction model is at risk (as the scammer can always win the bid and not pay).
- Tim Bauer
Use Amazon instead of eBay. They seem to actually care more about the "small fish."
- darnell
Sounds like it might be a good time to sell short on Ebay, it's bound to catch up soon enough on their bottom line.
- Michael Mink
in my personal buzz-o-meter, I think it's going down, like the trati chart. Don't hear much buzz (sans Scoble) about it, and I even use it less. But, I still consider it one of my favorite apps right now.
- Ryan W
I just ran the chart for "twitter". Looks the same. Should be posted somewhere in here. Drop off in May 2008.
- Hutch Carpenter