pearltrees, twine.. interesting! I think you're good, ever used zootool? I always keep it somewhere, even with my low usage, their system rocks. Do you have a subscribe to reader option? Have so much BMLs, have to organize all that with the years, ffcheck, very good. Yep, do a check in mind, there's maybe other services you're missing.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
April, that is correct. I tend not to submit to StumbleUpon or Digg unless the post requests it, and even then, not often.
- Louis Gray
Cory, that's a good idea. But I bet Shareaholic doesn't have many of these. It's not always about sending content somewhere. Often it's about finding data around the content.
- Louis Gray
I used to be a rather heavy SU user till I ended up forced to use a browser that their toolbar didn't support (k-meleon on a 12 yr old, 233mhz, 64mb RAM machine)
- April Russo (app103)
Shouldn't "addthis" replace virtually all of these? I've never used it before, but I see it has a bookmarklet.
- Mitch
*GASP* yes, & you of all people. You're missing subscribe in Google Reader...amongst a few others, but I go nuts with my bmarklets & have sh*t loads; of mine these would be most relevant/useful to you: MapThis, Bookmaplet, Easylistener, TwitterReactions, BugMeNot, getASIN, WordPressComments, Readability, RemoveBloat, CliptoEvernote, SubscribeinGoogleReader, & then you got your pipes: friendfeed, flickr, tumblr, ShortenURL,
- sofarsoShawn
Shawn, the "Subscribe in Google Reader" is replaced by "Add Feed to Toluu". Toluu not only adds it to Google Reader, but makes that addition public.
- Louis Gray
Hmmm. Anyone got an invite code for toluu?
- Nick in Manila
Nick, I am sure I do. Send me an e-mail to louisgray@mac.com and I will send you one.
- Louis Gray
I've got one for check with compete which I use to see how well someone is doing - though that's not sharing but like some of the other items on the list.
- Richard Cunningham
You have bookmarklets for services I wasn't even aware existed: gawkk? playgrub?
- DGentry
Louis, let us know what additional services you'd like to see Shareaholic support -- happy to help. We support many non-sharing services as well. jay@shareaholic.com
- Jay Meattle
I didn't see much useful information on here so I figured i'd ask. Anyone try out http://friendbinder.com/login... ?? Any good? worth my time? I would love to aggregate multiple sites in to one place if I can and it sounds like that is the concept.
However, your friends don't have to join for it to be useful
- Richard Cunningham
@Richard Thanks for the info! What put me off before was no visual representation of what it was or how it worked - I hate wasting time signing up for stuff just to find out it doesn't do what I want it to or it is just another site that mimics what others already do.
- Kyle Johnson
@rochelle YEAH! Friends don't have to join for it to be useful. So you can just stay here, I don't need you over there! Basically it sounds like what I wanted Friendfeed to be without having to use their 'ghost user' (or whatever its called) feature.
- Kyle Johnson
"I switched to use FriendBinder to read my RSS in late 2007 (from Google Reader) and I read Twitter in the same stream, also I particularly didn't like having an unread count in Google Reader - though I am biased because I develop FriendBinder. This works pretty well - though I can see why people are going down the pure Twitter route since they can pick from a wider range of clients as a result."
- Richard Cunningham
"People are using thier twitter clients to subscribe to content that would normally be in rss. If twitter can't accept this use case, clients will start to support other networks that do. I note that in friendbinder I can subscribe to any rss i like mixed in with my twitter feed. I don't think it matters that twitter is walled - clients just need to support alternative ways of getting content."
- Richard Cunningham
"It has no API for showing preview pictures (or anything else) and they delete photos after 12 months. Doesn't seem much of a threat to TwitPic and others at this point."
- Richard Cunningham
apparently I have since I just logged on to the account there that I didn't know I had. I think I dismissed it when I saw it didn't support FF.
- Jim Is Not Smart
Yes I seem to have an account there so I must have played around with it. I tried so many FF clones but never went back a second time to any of them
- M F
@Richard Cunningham - thanks for adding to the thread...did not know you were on FF. :)
- JA Castillo
Richard, you don't need to be like FF... although maybe you could consider adding it to your services.
- Jim Is Not Smart
Yes I have considered it and several people have asked, though I have not had the time to yet
- Richard Cunningham
@JA Castillo I'm not a particularly regular user of FF though I would probably use it more if we had it in FriendBinder. I saw a link to this discussion on my twitter search that I subscribe to in friendbinder [via RSS] (how very meta)
- Richard Cunningham
I played with it a while back when I was looking for a site like FF but it wasn't that great so I dismissed it.
- Andrew Trinh
from iPhone
@Richard Cunningham - meta, indeed! I am curious about your service and look to give it a try this week. I appreciate your input.
- JA Castillo
@Andrew Trinh we have done a lot of work on the site since you last logged in, so you might want to check us again. That said we are not trying to be a social network like FF
- Richard Cunningham
I will have another look later, I never said it was to be a social site but I was looking for the integrated feeds of different social networking aspect of FF and SocialThing at the time.
- Andrew Trinh
from IM
"Facebook's problem right now is that are trying to please everyone in one or two interfaces rather than letting people choose their own interface to that data. I believe Twitter is popular partly due to the way people can pick the interface that suits them. This is slowly coming to Facebook, though they still have some more to do opening of the API to make it really useful."
- Richard Cunningham
"For years it seemed company after company was trying to be the new Napster and they would get closed down and all the code was lost. I suspect the reason that BitTorrent won is that is was open source so no one could find a company to shut it down. BitTorrent has the benefit of known protocol with multiple clients and multiple sites for finding .torrent files. I think in a sense, it is the HTTP of peer-to-peer, it won because not because it's the best, but because it's open."
- Richard Cunningham
"Have you thought they could even be profitable? They surely would have charged Microsoft several million dollars for this access - especially to get it before Google. It sounds like thier costs are less than 10 million - so with this one deal they could be profitable - probably not - but they could be."
- Richard Cunningham
"As someone who writes such a tool, http://friendbinder.com , I've thought about it a few times. In fact we already support several networks + RSS so if they have an alternative feed that can be added into the same friend. When Twitter is down our users can still read their friend's old tweets. It doesn't seem like we and other tools are too are away from this."
- Richard Cunningham
"Wikipedia already has an optimized stylesheet that works very well on the iPhone/iPod touch - though I expect this device it is aimed at less tech savvy folks (the type of which don't read mashable of course)."
- Richard Cunningham
"It's interesting that even those clients that do have versions on multiple platforms, have different features on the different platforms. Seesmic for instance is very different on the web and desktop. I've taken the view with FriendBinder is that you should never be unable to access an interface to it, so we support the web (modern browsers + IE6) and the mobile web (anything half decent, the iPhone, Nokia, Sony, Android etc.) and that the features should be the same, so we use the same code base. Also I wonder why none of these clients seem to support showing of threaded replies on Twitter, I've found it very useful since we implemented it on FriendBinder: http://blog.friendbinder.com/2009...... I notice that Tweetdeck and Seesmic already support Facebook. Brizzly sounds like it's going that way too, so I wonder if Tweetie will too."
- Richard Cunningham
"The difference to companies you mentioned is that is that Twitter has a massive API community and large number of users who see the service as essential to their day. You can see evidence of this when Twitter goes down. I think given that Facebook recently raised $200m and have raise much more before, I don't think this is a massive amount. I think Twitter is infrastructure company and they need to get the best scaling and algorithm minds (for search) to take on Google and Facebook. I'm sure the real money is in real-time search for which Twitter is the gatekeeper. If they can't do that themselves they risk having to sell to a company that has proved they can do it."
- Richard Cunningham
"The difference to companies you mentioned is that is that Twitter has a massive API community and large number of users who see the service as essential to their day. You can see evidence of this when Twitter goes down. I think given that Facebook recently raised $200m and have raise much more before, I don't think this is a massive amount. I think Twitter is infrastructure company and...
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- Richard Cunningham
"The difference to companies you mentioned is that is that Twitter has a massive API community and large number of users who see the service as essential to their day. You can see evidence of this when Twitter goes down. I think given that Facebook recently raised $200m and have raise much more before, I don't think this is a massive amount. I think Twitter is infrastructure company and they need to get the best scaling and algorithm minds (for search) to take on Google and Facebook. I'm sure the real money is in real-time search for which Twitter is the gatekeeper. If they can't do that themselves they risk having to sell to a company that has proved they can do it."
- Richard Cunningham
"I think there are a few problems with blog comments that underlies most of these efforts. Tracking replies to your own comments is pretty difficult as far as I know when you comment on someone's blog. Disqus, Digg, Twitter, FF, Hacker News essentially solve this problem by giving a place to check the replies. Many blogs now have an option to track replies via email which is less than ideal since it mixes the replies in with important stuff like email and many of the comment systems are not threaded so the 'replies' are not even replies anyway. For people wanting to write tools that comment back on the blog, track conversations etc. then RSS is really suited to that. In most cases it's not worth commenting on popular news sites because there are so many people there with out threading or comment voting you can't really have a good discussion there."
- Richard Cunningham
"I think there are a few problems with blog comments that underlies most of these efforts. Tracking replies to your own comments is pretty difficult as far as I know when you comment on someone's blog. Disqus, Digg, Twitter, FF, Hacker News essentially solve this problem by giving a place to check the replies. Many blogs now have an option to track replies via email which is less than ideal since it mixes the replies in with important stuff like email and many of the comment systems are not threaded so the 'replies' are not even replies anyway. For people wanting to write tools that comment back on the blog, track conversations etc. then RSS is really suited to that. In most cases it's not worth commenting on popular news sites because there are so many people there with out threading or comment voting you can't really have a good discussion there."
- Richard Cunningham
Of course I can. But Facebook is being "smart" by deciding that I might know English (UK) because my computer tells the network I am here. Just a cute offer on their part.
- Louis Gray
Hello? Louis? Habla English? You need a translator if you want any chance of getting aroun London, I mean, hello?:p
- Josh Haley
I thought I was doing well with "tube", "lift" and "chips", Josh! Blimey!
- Louis Gray
No need to get yer knickers in a twist, luvvie.
- Spidra Webster
They need Southern English, Boston English and Californian English.
- CAJ, somewhere else
I want to know if when you log in from outside of Somalia, does it ask you if you speak Pirate?
- Louis Gray
Louis, be sure and get a copy of Spotify for the iPhone while you're over there
- Jesse Stay
I tried, Jesse. My account is only enabled for the US version of the iTunes Store. Did that this morning.
- Louis Gray
@louisgray I'm English, living in the US, set my language once on FB, and never touch it since
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
Louis, you can create a new account - just specify "none" for the payment option. However, you're going to need a UK credit card to get a premium account once you have the app unfortunately.
- Jesse Stay
Not that I've done it or anything ;-)
- Jesse Stay
@Jason yes we use the pound. I don't get why facebook needs users to convert U.S. english to british, surely $color="colour" is just one line of code
- Richard Cunningham
Welcome to London! Good luck for the different events you have here.
- 77Agency
Richard, there's a few subtle differences between The Queen's English and American English. like 's' instead of 'z', and 'ou' instead of 'o'
- Bryce Roney
Excuse me, does Britain use those silly feet and inches too?
- John W Lewis
John: Feet and inches are long gone as are gallons at the petrol station (read: gas station ;-)) Pounds and ounces [weight] are dragging their feet somewhat in giving way to kilos and grams yet miles are still the unit of measure where distance [travel] is concerned - no kilometres here. In summary, a complete mish-mash :)
- 1x29
Thanks, Adrian, I'd agree with your assessment. However, in aviation feet are used to measure vertical height, altitude and separation, with horizontal distance in metres for short and nautical miles for longer distances; a mish-mash, as you say, and don't even think about fuel quantity (approx 5 units used!). My (British) quip was a reference to the joke about that line being used by...
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- John W Lewis
John: Yeah, I was being more general day to day. I grew up with my father building house extensions and it was nothing but imperial measurements [beneficial given my current project in SE Texas and a previous one in Bahamas which was also imperial]. I actually visualize smaller dimensions better in feet and inches than in metres - although my [UK] construction education has all been...
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- 1x29
Adrian: so does Facebook ask you, "Hello Adrian, do you speak Welsh?" ?!
- John W Lewis
"For those of you looking for something where you don't have to re-friend people, you should try http://friendbinder.com (which I work on) that just launched this month."
- Richard Cunningham
Best thrid party app (desktop app fine) for viewing Facebook, FriendFeed and Twitter streams? Head's gonna asplode if I can't get the streams tied down.
I use google reader for trying not to miss anything & friendfeed for a quick glance at the latest news, but any feed reader should be good, methinks
- immaterial
There's an official Facebook AIR app that's not the easiest thing to find. For Twitter I think TweetDeck is the best. For FriendFeed, I think the site itself is best, usually using Chrome. I don't think there's any single app that's up to the task for all 3.
- Tanath
I agree with jcunwired, it sounds like you are trying to friendfeed FriendFeed.
- Lani
Maybe this is what threadsy.com will be doing?
- Lani
It is indeed what @threadsy is doing. Go sign up for the beta!
- Rob Goldman
Rob: So is there a secret link for FriendFeed users to get into Threadsy?
- Ken Sheppardson
Twhirl does FF and twitter. Not sure if it does facebook.
- Bryan Lee
from iPhone
FriendBinder does Twitter, Facebook and others. Considering adding FriendFeed, though how long is it going to be around for, Kevin?
- Richard Cunningham
I would have a first criticism: such an app should promote cross-identification or sign through facebook, twitter oauth, google, yahoo openid! Yet another account to configure. It's so 2008 :)
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
Next step: configure my twitter account. It asks me for regular id. No way, I'm not going to enter it again now that oauth is here and working well...
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
Twitter's oAuth seems to have a major outage everytime I'm ready to implement it
- Richard Cunningham
Kudos to FriendBinder. OAuth for Twitter would be great, but agree with Richard about their recent outages being a problem. OpenID? That'd be cool, too, but unlike friendfeed, once you log into FriendBinder and hook up your services, it fetches all your contacts for you. So I spent 5 minutes setting up another login, but how long did it take me to configure 'imaginary friends' or...
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- Criz
Geez, Richard, I just can't stop evangelizing this. ;-)
- Criz
Richard & Criz, I know how hard is working with unreliable services like twitter, but oauth part does not really seem to be faulty, twitter is. OpenID or anyother would just be the way to log into FriendBinder without having to create yet another login/password. It would not save you from the next step to authenticate on fb, flickr, ... But anyway, you only criticize when you have stake into progress, which means you already interest into the product :)
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
Why is there only one timezone for Asia in FriendBinder? What an odd limitation.
- Andre P. Siregar
Sorry about that - I need to put in a full list ASAP
- Richard Cunningham
Richard, I like FriendBinder. It's useful to control various platforms from one location. Categorizing and tagging all my friends is the biggest hurdle, however.
- Andre P. Siregar
You can click on a friend's picture in the stream and do it without leaving that page - if that helps?
- Richard Cunningham
That's what I'm doing right now. I realize it's an investment, because once I've categorized all my friends, I'll be more efficient. It's just not a trivial effort, that's all.
- Andre P. Siregar
from email
Not sure sure why I would use this over Streamy,
- Kim Landwehr
Works great apart from the refresh time which seems to be quite long, too long for holding a conversation on Twitter.
- Paul Cooper
Kim, you reminded me that I have a Streamy account. So I went there and realized why I don't use it much. Other than putting a few services under one roof, STreamy doesn't add much values. I'd much rather use Feedly for RSS reading, for example. I usually use Seesmic to control Twitter and Facebook, but I think FriendBinder is also elegant in its implementation. I like FriendBinder's 'interest level.' FriendBinder's threading of Twitter conversation is also very nice.
- Andre P. Siregar
from email
I've updated it so there are now plenty of timezones to choose from
- Richard Cunningham
That's up and to the right. I am now reading almost 30 percent more feeds than I was reading a month ago. Bring it on. And RSS powers everything - not just feed readers.
- Louis Gray
Pubsubhubbub is making RSS even faster. RSS is behind FriendFeed, LazyFeed, and every relevant aggregator. This argument is so silly.
- Louis Gray
Twitter's a great basic RSS reader for headlines and more realtime/'now' stuff. Not ditching NetNewsWire/Google Reader for actual post material anytime soon though.
- BeauGiles
I agree, but RSS could do with a few upgrades here and there though (I just want to comment on blogs straight from the feed itself).
- Hugh Isaacs II
Couldn't agree more. Sure, it might turn into more 'plumbing' for many users, but RSS is far from dead.
- Brad Kellett
My headline? RSS: interesting or boring? (Hint @marshallk and @louisgray, we’re not normal)
- Robert Scoble
I never said I was normal. Just that I am kicking ass at my job. :) And that anyone else who wants to ought really read feeds. imho
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Agree with Marshall (and Scoble). I believe the best information producers are those who consume lots of information. Know your craft and use the best tools.
- Louis Gray
Marshall: you can read the feeds. The real news lately is being broken in Twitter. But I'm glad someone reads all those feeds so I don't have to!
- Robert Scoble
The signal to noise ratio in feeds is 10x to 100x better than Twitter, though. Even if you do prune your list of Twitter folks (as you have), much of what is there is not news-related.
- Louis Gray
Twitter is the news ticker. If you rely on the ticker to inform your opinion of the world... Good luck
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
I had no clue why anyone would use Dave Winer's Twitter OPML tool to get all tweets from friends via RSS. But I tried it anyway and discovered that it's easier to find the really relevant stuff when you get tweets via RSS. I can skim through 1,000 tweets in a few minutes and separate the signal from the noise much more efficiently. And, of course, it's all searchable in GReader.
- Dominic Jones
I'm with Louis on this. RSS is far from over. Like Louis, the number of feeds I'm subscribed to is on the increase, too. Services like Lazyfeed and Toluu are making it far easier for me to discover great new content.
- Andrew Terry
RSS is critical to the growth of the social web, and is growing quickly. It will eventually be replaced by friendlier, less protocol centric technologies that shield the user from the mess that is ATOM/RSS etc.
- William Toll
completely agree. google reader is a great feed reader and is getting better GUI wise by the week. great avenue for syndication via friendfeed
- James Butler
from BuddyFeed
Taking into account that Im far from been an expert, I want to leave a thought. What if the way of use is simply different I mean, ok twitter is real time while RSS has some minutes delay, but in any case if I receive 900 hits/day I will not be able to read them all as they come so I dont see the problem on getting some delay.To me is just a question of leaving the noise on Twitter as is much more quick to read and pass through the news & info and get the selected ones on RSS for better storage and record.
- Luis Guijarro
RSS needs a proper comment API, so you can fetch all recent comments on all posts in one call from a blog - with threading if the site supports that.
- Richard Cunningham
That particular person was serving up link bait
- Dave Hodson
Dave: links are dead. Or so says the same person (Steve Gillmor).
- Robert Scoble
I stopped using Google reader a couple of years ago and I now just read it in the stream with my Twitter, Facebook, Flickr mixed in (in FriendBinder [disclosure: I wrote FriendBinder]) I'm not sure why other people don't do something similar.
- Richard Cunningham
Stuart: life streaming is a headline with a link. For the most part.
- Robert Scoble
Google reader is a great tool...if you keep it to only important and feeds that matters to you
- testbeta
louis agreed I love using google reader. great tool.
- (jeff)isageek
I love RSS and losing it would change how I work (and play), but I really wish it would be more mainstream. I work in technical sales and I bet <30% of that group even uses RSS day to day. I bet for the non-techies it is closer to 10%.
- Bill Grant
Love RSS and Reader both, my feed reading is rising day by day!
- Ahad Bokhari
I can't seem to stop reading. Anyone else using Feedly in conjunction with Google Reader?
- ronnieledesma
RSS is an essential part of many things now. The argument is irrelevant and though I'd never say they were wrong, they are misdirected or trying to get a reaction. :)
- James Stratford
I use FF, Twitter and Google Reader for different things. Twitter and FF are far more about Buzz and the conversations around the topics. In Reader I aggregate many different original sources together. There is less need for it to be on-the-spot live, but it needs to be deeper and more detailed to be of value, and it is. They serve different purposes for me.
- Robert
Lately, I've been dumping select Twitter & FF feeds into Google Reader, as well as Posterous feeds, so even though I'm using all of these services, GR has now become more of a hub for me. Also: gReactions gives me a sense of how popular a feed item is. I would wish GR would incorporate these kinds of services so I could get more metadata about a feed item.
- phil baumann
Ughh, no, I believe the RSS is dead mantra arose from the real time Twitter phenomenon, however, us smarties know you gotta verify your sources & our attention spans MORE than the space of 140 characters. Catch that, the dual use of metaphor...attention "spans" MORE...As per myself, I read more articles via RSS feeds than ever as well.
- sofarsoShawn
So am I but not in Google reader, I read mine on my desktop in my e-mail program, they come to me, I don't go 'looking for them' I love RSS!
- Sandra Large
Say, don't Twitter streams have RSS feeds? The icon's right there at the bottom of the sidebar...
- Dennis Jernberg
RSS is very alive and well and dare I say, even young. With tech news, there aren't necessarily thousands of sources like with general business news, etc. Where RSS will be big is in who can create the best filters for those larger niches. But the RSS readers we have today don't support all the features we'd need to create those filters. Google Reader management taps out at maybe 1500 feeds in Chrome, the most of any reader that can export opml (not just rss like Friendfeed).
- beersage
I agree that the problem with RSS is filtering. If something changed the way I use the Net was RSS, but now the volume is so great that unless you prune your feeds regularly you can end up with a lot of garbage. Most average users don't have any idea of what RSS is and that's something that can't cease to amaze me.
- Angel B
RSS & EMAIL are not dead. They are getting better and faster. PUSH tech can push anything. Push Email on mobile devices is just as fast as twitter. And now we are going to PUSH RSS/ATOM. Twitter is different, yet the same. Sure, maybe a news headline will break first on twitter but will I see it before I see it in my inbox or reader? Prob not because I'm not frozen staring at a twitter...
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- sull
"Aren't those categories essentially the same as Digg even with the ampersand which precedes both sites? Also I'm not sure why friendfeed should get credit for liking, how is it different to favoriting something on Flickr or 'loving' something on Last.fm which both precede it?"
- Richard Cunningham