Man, wonder when Google started having different engineering "departments". Keep trying for Google! - Sanjeev Singh
There have always been different kinds of engineers. It's just that most SWEs seldom interacted with any of the other types. - Adewale Oshineye
Yeah, I'll keep trying, but at this point I'm more likely to end up somewhere else, I think I have a good shot at Microsoft or Amazon. Still hoping for some chance at Google, but not planning on it. - Sage LaTorra
Does most of the noise come from (a) friends of friends entries, (b) people you don't know commenting on stuff, (c) subscribing to too many people or (d) other? - Sanjeev Singh
c...but I can keep up. The layout is clean enough that I can sweep a page and decide quickly what to read. If I have time I it's no problem but if I don't I glance over users that I don't find super interesting. - Benjamin Golub
no. Right now on day 2 it is just about right. - Janet Tokerud
(b) because of the fact that comments bump stuff up the feed. Paul Buchheit's Tweet soliciting 2-8 word descriptions for FriendFeed has been on my front page on and off for over a month now. Interesting discussion - but that's too long. - Jeremy Raines
yeah, it's a bit noisy for my taste. the main reason is a) - Dmitry Skavish
I wonder if friend of friend entries could be a preference. They are great when you are a newbie but present clutter perhaps once you get lots of qualified friends in tow. - Janet Tokerud
I like the idea of Friend-of-a-friend entries as optional, maybe on a per-friend basis? I've noticed the friends of some of my friends are worth following, others not so much. But overall, I'd agree that the f.o.a.f. entries can be a little too much clutter. It also might make sense to make comments muted by default, and only "un-mute" when requested, or after you've commented or liked something. - Sage LaTorra
a. but the noise level ain't too bad yet - Adam Kazwell
Yes. (a) is the best thing about FF, i.e. discovering new things. (b) is bad. (c) is my responsibility. (d) I would like a 'mark as read' so I only have to see things once. Rock on. - Nivi
Jeremy, thanks for jostling me into the realization that I would be happier if I muted that thread. - j1m
Yes, mostly due to a&b, but I feel like I'm lucky to have seeded with an interesting group of friends (mostly FFers and Googlers or ex-Googlers) so their friends tend to have interesting things to say as well. It's not as personally relevant since I don't recognize some of the FoaF's names, but the level of discourse sure beats the crap out of Slashdot etc. - Chris Beckmann
Yes: With an increased population I can't keep people straight in my head so it's hard to tell who is worth subscribing to and who is not. (User thumbnails in the list would be great, far better than service logos I think.) I really like it when people add snippets or descriptions, it makes scanning way easier. I wish I could put a blanket mute on some services (Twitter, last.fm) unless there are comments. Also, dupes. - ⓞnor
Being able to delete certain feeds for a particular friend would be great. Maybe I'm into their photos but don't have similar interests so am not interested in their links. Or someone puts up 40 pix a day and I'm not a photo buff but I love their tweets and blog posts. - Janet Tokerud
You can, it's under "Options" ("Hide entries like this"). - ⓞnor
Some people are extremely active, but it's not difficult to hide their stuff. It's just a matter of optimization. ;) - sebmos
well, (b), but probably because it's too hard to control (a). I'd like to have a knob on every friend that says how closely I follow them. Some friends go to 11 -- their single comment on a thread is enough to make me want to see it again, immediately and through several following replies by people I might no know. Other friends only go to 6, or 2: if a few of them comment on something, then that's enough new interesting stuff that it should come back to the top. It would also be nice if ff knew when I'd last read this part of the page, and, when it did pull and item up to the top, it exposed exactly the comments I haven't seen yet. - j1m
Would it be better to have lots of knobs, or a magic do-what-I-want system that learns from your behavior, or some astonishingly simple heuristic that's both very direct and easy to understand and also gives you what you want in the vast majority of cases? Facebook is a nice example of magic gone wrong. - ⓞnor
I wear ear plugs while viewing, so no, it's okay... - David Bradley
The 'friend of friend' entries surprised me a little bit. I'm still evaluating whether or not they are a good thing. It would be nice to have a switch in the setting to turn 'friend of friend' entries on and off on a global basis. - Rob Safuto
i like fof. my problem is that certain people i have subscribed to are too prolific :( - Neha Narula
Perhaps some sort of a throttling feature is in order. Something that would allow you to limit the number of posts from a particular user showing up in your friends feed during a specific period of time. I think the automatic grouping of posts, like those from Twitter, helps right now. On the other hand I think that prolific publishers should consider whether or not its prudent to add every one of their feeds to this system straight away. - Rob Safuto
Totally wish FriendFeed would copy Jaiku and enable us to unsubscribe from PART of a person, not the person themselves. I want to read a lot of shared items, blogs, flickr photos, but not Twitter spam. Please, friendfeed, copy Jaiku! - Eric Rice
All in favor of simplicity. However there's a group of users that strongly feels that the foaf entries are a bit much. I've have even stronger feelings, but of the opposite type: what makes ff cool is that it let's me see all of my friends' comments, wherever they may be. If ff can capture that difference between user preferences with artificially intelligent nanorobots (awesome!), or with a single slider or checkbox (still pretty cool!), then great. - j1m
@Eric, Options->Hide Entries Like This->Even If They Have Comments Or Likes - Ryan Mahoski
I hadn't tried Hide Entries Like This before. Looks like a good solution for now. At some point would be good to have global settings as I suggested in a previous comment. - Rob Safuto
I definitely feel like I've never finished reading friendfeed... would be nice if it was like my inbox that would be cleared at some point :). - Michael
I have the exact opposite feeling as Michael. I love the fact that it's not like an inbox. - Rob Safuto
I'd say no, there are a lot of items funneled through my stream, but I use it similar to Twitter and have adapted to fast-changing information streams. - Rick Mahn
There is a lot going on, but it sure beats visiting 10 different websites. Here, you can just use the scroll wheel and feel caught up quickly. - Jason Kaneshiro
I don't think so... I've been complaining that we need the "great web 2.0 presence aggregator" and this is it. the activity isn't bad (actually the email daily option has a killer feature for me). - Sean Reiser
Not at all for me. If there's a feed that's too noisy, I filter or unsubscribe. Easy peazy. - Evan Sims
If some users are overwhelmed and not likely to find the Hide Entries Like This link under Options, and you don't want to put a HELT link beside every entry (understandable) how about a link that shows up randomly (more for new users as they get more and more content?) asking "Do you like this kind of content?" If they say no, guide them to the Options setting. - Ed Zwart
Maybe foaf items should only come to the top under some circumstances? e.g. if a new comment (1) is by a friend (2) is immediately after your own, or (3) mentions your name? And it really would be nice if the thing that hides the middle comments were smarter. I can never tell whether I need to open it or not. - j1m
I think making the existing mute options more visible would go a long way. - ⓞnor
I am starting to feel like it is getting too noisy, but only because I'm likely subscribed to too many people. I'd like to have different friend groups, so if I don't have much time, I can just start with a feed of the people I find most interesting. I'd also like a way to know which stuff I've read already, so it doesn't feel neverending, but I see that some people like that it feels that way. - Rich Bragg
Noisy? Actually, it's signally! LIke @Beckmann said, in ways it's better than SlashDot. I also agree with @Jim4's suggestion for a smarter automated “show more comments” especially for feeds and with NetNewsWire. In addition to @e3r suggestion to make the mute more visible, please also thread and let us also collapse the comments, a la Digg. Allowing paragraph breaks in comments would be nice too. - John Lam
In way of an original suggestion, how about groups, like @Rich Bragg says, but instead of a priori categories plus arbitrary groups like http://Multiply.com, use the social graph to magically group friends. - John Lam
I am not sure if I will term it as noisy. I may find the information overload overwhelming sooner than later. - Krishnan Hussein Subraman
Not yet ... plus you have the option of removing someone's Twitter stream if you are already following them on Twitter and they Tweet a lot - Deepak
Need ways to mark a story as read, no matter what comments later pop up - Huy Zing
Huy, the nearest thing to that is "mute comments on this entry" under the options button for each post. - Slippy Lane
been thinking more about this. Where it's not noisy there are things that could be added to FF to cut down the noise. I've blogged some if it here (http://seanreiser.com/node/213) - Sean Reiser
Hehe, not now we have "Super Hide" it isn't! :-) - Slippy Lane
No, I have my computer set to mute. But seriously, it's all about your connections. I don't mind my FriendFeed-stream at all. It's nice that I don't see all of Scoble's tweets :) - Mike Reynolds
Both a and b, but only through you and Paul. You guys are high profile, so the set of your friends is a huge crowd of strangers drowning out people I actually know. - seth
muting all sounds on my windows computers is the only way i can coexist with them, so...what friendfeed sounds? - edythe
No. There's usually plenty of interesting stuff in the first page of my feed. I use the "hide" and "unsubscribe" features quite a lot. - Alex Mendes da Costa
you bet...but I find twitter way noiser - viki saigal
Wow! This was fantastic. Sorry if it's yesterday's news for you old FriendFeeders. I just saw this today. What a great "noisy" discussion. :-) - Mitchell Tsai
(a). Might be nice to have a way of only showing friend of friend entries that pass a certain user-defined threshold. For example: "only show me friend of friend entries than have more than N likes or comments". - Simon
I think I've mentioned this before, but I think services should adapt based on how long it's been since you last looked. If I look every hour, I want more detail than if I look every week. If I spend an hour on FF every visit, I want more detail than if I spend five minutes on FF every visit. Combine expected time I have with what's changed since the last visit to generate the list. Friends, commented, liked are ranked higher; friends-of-friends, duplicate, and similar posts are ranked lower. - Amit Patel
I think the irony is I would love the option to follow every single one of the people I follow on Twitter on FF, regardless of whether or not they have an account -- but that would just make FF noisier and noisier. - Sean Quinn
FriendFeed is no more noisy than the Sunday Los Angeles Times. I don't care about 50% of the LA Times, and I never read more than 10% of the LA Times, but I don't complain that the Times is "noise." I don't complain about noise on FriendFeed (or Twitter) either. - Ontario Emperor
not really, I just scan. It would be nice if I could identify the hot spots in 5 min or less though. - engtech
The real question is how relevant is FriendFeed. - Mike Reynolds
I love the fact that an item about "noise" has generated 60+ comments. :) - Ontario Emperor
I feel like the value of Friendfeed is your ability to manipulate, interpret, and communicate through that noise. Web 2.0 is about channels, fields, lines neighborhoods of communication and the more you survey what is out there, the more opportunity you have to see. - Anthony
Oh yeah! Too much!! We need a very good client app! - Jigar Mehta
no, not at the moment at least. i enjoy reading public feed of the service. - Jansen Lu
I notice that Sanjeev has unsubscribed from me. So I guess the answer is "yes" for him, and "no" for me. :-) - Robert Scoble
Sanjeev never subscribed to me. He is one of the quieter FriendFeeders, which is fine. Everybody has a role. - Louis Gray
Robert, I still get your stuff through friends-of-friends. :) - Sanjeev Singh
No. I only follow 36 people, I genuinely care about and I use Filter: Friend to explicitly read their outputs when the noise gets deafening (or just loud) like after my recent extended 3 day bank holiday weekend. - Andy C
@Louis I think Sanjeev is the only FriendFeeder not subscribed to me yet. Gotta catch em all! - Benjamin Golub
Not too noisy, but too repetitive. How many times do I need to see that Google has Notes? - TranceMist
Repetetive indeed, how many times do I have to see this old thread revived with no way of me telling quickly how many comments are new. (ok ok, m'ing now...) - j1m
It is sure noisy (repetitive & low quality contents). There are various ways they could rank the contents. Probably they are working on it as they have not announced anything new for awhile & they are hiring. - Nikpay
Yeah, it is. I used Yahoo Pipes to separate out direct friends from indirect ones, but still I find it to be too much. - Robert Konigsberg
congrats guys. you've built an excellent product, one i became addicted to very quickly. it will be interesting to see how it now evolves with a larger audience. - Carla Thompson
Is ruby the facebook of programming languages? - Jim Norris
I just cant stand how polluted PHP namespaces are - Benjamin Golub
I happen to like PHP. It powers Wikipedia and most of my own hand-coded websites. It's readily available and is easy to learn. And just for the record, I hate MySpace. - Voyagerfan5761
meh. I like ASP better, to be quite honest. I've been programming in one form or another of BASIC since I was barely a teenager, so it's uber familiar. if PHP is MySpace, what's ASP? (and for the record, I think PHP is more of a twitter: chaotic, lots of wasted time, but ultimately the most widely used in it's space. ASP would be Jaiku. Locked down and invitation only? i dunno. i should probably stop now.). - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
any other expansions of "X is the Y of programming languages"? - Amund Tveit
Python is the Google of programming languages? Simple and elegant - Benjamin Golub
As a Flash guy I find the comment about AS2.0 amusing. How about AS 3.0? - Jason Kaneshiro
"I just cant stand how polluted PHP namespaces are." That's true -- and their function naming and parameter order is incredibly inconsistent. You can't just remember a single rule, you either have to remember all function parameter and naming orders (underscore or not, haystack before needle in parameter order etc.) or always look them up*. On the upside, there is a function for almost anything, and PHP comes preinstalled on many typical server setups (like mine, which is why I use it). *And don't get me started on having to press Shift-4 whenever I want to type a variable, or using $this-> for class members even when the scope is nonambigous! - Philipp Lenssen
"any other expansions of "X is the Y of programming languages"?" Perl is the Digg of programming languages? Everybody's added something. - Sage LaTorra
This wasn't a really deep analogy -- I just thought it was kind of funny. Basically, they are both kind of ugly and unprincipled, but very popular (presumably because they are giving people something they want). As for actual implementation, I seem to recall that MySpace is currently written in ASP.net (just as Orkut was originally), and FB is in PHP (among other things). - Paul Buchheit
I remember reading somewhere on the facebook dev site about how they were even writing command-line utilities in PHP, I think because they were storing persistent data in an internal PHP serialization format. I sort of laughed at them, until I had to go back to work and get Java to read Python pickles from a database. - Jim Norris
BlitzBasic is the Blogger of programming languages? - Philipp Lenssen
