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- LogEx
Text books seem generally expensive and insipid (http://friendfeed.com/paul...). Are there any promising open-source textbook projects? (high quality content and likely to see actual use)
Obama's chief technology dude (can't remember his name) headed a project like this before taking the cabinet position. The folks at Buzz Out Loud (@acedtect @Mollywood @raygun01) would know about this as he recorded a message for their 1000th episode last week and we were reminded of the program (somewhere on the east coast).
- Kevin Arth
paul - Literacybridge.org is a great non-profit focusing on this issue. there are numerous issues here in terms of language localization, cost of print and transport of books, ability to have access to and understand content, etc. many textbook programs also assume one basic fact that is not necessarily true - literacy. although i am a fan of building schools and education, the reality...
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- Joyce
IMO, most textbooks betray a massive bias of quantity over quality, in part because quantity is confused with depth. If professors were doing their jobs (some are of course), they'd concentrate on distilling out the key points rather than partake of the laziness/spoils of the rigged textbook market... most textbooks are the equivalent of a public works program.
- Alex Schleber
I agree with Alex. Sometimes a good curriculum or at least a lesson plan is more important than a textbook. That's why I think a great project is Curriki.org. It is an online community, where educational resources can be created, shared and re-used in an open license environment. They concentrate mainly on K-12 curriculum, however it seems like it can be a great tool to share the...
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- Maciek Zielinski
Paul I agree that textbooks are way too expensive. As you may know, because of the way textbooks get adopted by some states, most of the kids in the country end up learning from books that were specifically designed to get approved in Texas and California. So how's this for an idea of how to give away your "lots of money": fund the development of a complete set of textbooks through an...
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- Peter
Consider also that if a person "open schools" all the way up through university material, there is no way to CLEP a degree. The US Department of Education should issue guidelines for the degrees where this makes sense.
- Ed Dodds
...i suspect that the textbook business is terrifically profitable for publishers, and that they'll fight any move to displace them tooth and nail.
- .LAG liked that
There's also http://ck12.org/ They make it easy for teachers to put together custom textbooks by reusing existing pieces of content (chapters and such).
- Meryn Stol
@Peter - curriki looks pretty interesting. Do you have any kind of harvesting facilities?
- Nick Lothian
@Nick. Yes. Curriki provides several ways to export materials from the site. Each of the 30,000 free and open source resources can be downloaded on to your computer, where they can be printed. You can also get the XML data for any resource. In both cases, you just have to mind the specifics of the Creative Commons license requirements. You can also embed a widget for any learning...
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- Peter
Here is a project that I have tried to contribute information to and one of my websites is actually listed there because at their request, it was easier for me to start a site of my own with the info I gave them, than for them to list all the book titles and links I provided them with. http://textbookrevolution.org
- April Russo (app103)
Curriki is a knowledge exchange which is the 21st century textbook. EVERCHANGING, always adding, always collaborating. When I see this, I don't just see worksheets... I see customizable games- good easy to change content. I see LEARNING ACTIVITIES, best practices, I see collaboration, I see a whole curriculum FOR TEACHER INSTRUCTION- on learning how to use and implement different...
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- Sharnon Johnston-Robinett
Ditto on Flatworld, but @scott, profs are not donating their time for free -- basic web-version of text is made for free, with chapters, learning materials, etc. available for fee-based download -- don't have to use the fee-based material, but is very nice to see business model that offers a good hybrid between paper-only and web-only content. In my classes, students often print out material because they want to work on their computers and have something "hard" to refer to.
- Mickey Schafer
Check out my new blogs on Curriki, we address this issue and hope the community will make sure we are sustainable.
- Bobbi Kurshan
Kids were put in a room with a single marshmallow and told that if they waited to eat it, they could have another. Then they left and filmed the children's reaction. Hilarious.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
from Bookmarklet
The little blonde boy in the thumbnail was the best, his facial expressions KILLED me. The redheaded girl that didn't even wait for the woman to leave before eating the marshmallow was the best. :D
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
The little girl who didn't wait looked really young, though. They were probably testing different ages to see when they could start understanding delayed gratification. The older children all clearly understood the concept. I wonder how long it really was before they came back in? EDIT: Just read the description - looks like I was reading too much into it, and it wasn't as scientific as all that. :) Still, I wasn't surprised the young one didn't even think about waiting.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
I also like the seat dancing twins. I don't know why they were dancing, but I laughed.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
It's quite an old psychological study, I remember learning it at high school 5 years ago, but the results never change!! The kid in the thumbnail is so adorable, he looked so frustrated!
- Charlotte M
<3 I don't even like marshmallow, but I probably wouldn't driven myself crazy wanting to do something under those parameters. :)
- Derrick
The study was about how distraction is used to help willpower. The kids (in the original study) who distracted themselves lasted longest, and even until the researcher came back into the room. The kids who didn't use distraction and used pure willpower never lasted until the researcher came back. And of course the youngest kids just ate the marshmallow as fast as they could. :)
- Heather
Oh, that's interesting, Heather! I was thinking about that and how much easier it would've been if there'd been something else in the room to focus on. I guess it was a test of how well the kids could distract themselves without external aid.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
It's actually a study that shows that kids who have techniques to defer temptation do much better in life- on test scores, in personal success, etc. It's fascinating, and covered in an episode of WNYC Radio Lab. Also, those techniques to distract themselves can be taught.
- anna sauce
Yeah, like Heather says, different age groups respond differently, and this is a very scientific study (not sure if the filmed one was just a version of the original study, or what)
- anna sauce
Yeah, I've heard about this experiment, but have never seen the video - thanks to whomever sent me to this link!
- Gary Walter (gwalter)
This is awesome, video footage from the infamous Marshmallow "Delayed Gratification" experiments..scary how strong of a predictor of success throughout the life span this has turned out to be.
- Alex Schleber
"While JET's 15 European sponsor-nations have paid about US$1 billion for their hardware, and the US government has spent $14.7 billion on fusion research since 1951 (all figures in 1997 dollars), Storms's apparatus and ancillary gear have cost less than $50,000. Moreover, he claims that his equipment works, generating surplus heat for days at a time. Storms is not an antiestablishment pseudoscientist pursuing a crackpot theory. For 34 years he was part of the establishment himself, employed at Los Alamos on projects such as a nuclear motor for space vehicles. Subsequently he testified before a congressional subcommittee considering the future of fusion. He believes you don't need millions of degrees or billions of dollars to fuse atomic nuclei and yield energy. "You can stimulate nuclear reactions at room temperature," he says, in his genial, matter-of-fact style. "I am absolutely certain that the phenomenon is real. It is quite extraordinary, and if it can be developed, it will have profound effects on society.""
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
This article is from 1998. I wonder what the latest news is from all the researchers mentioned. It seems unfortunate that people are so resistant to researching more "fringe" areas of science.
- Paul Buchheit
"In a huge, grandiose convention center I found about 200 extremely conventional-looking scientists, almost all of them male and over 50. In fact some seemed over 70, and I realized why: The younger ones had bailed years ago, fearing career damage from the cold fusion stigma. "I have tenure, so I don't have to worry about my reputation," commented physicist George Miley, 65. "But if I...
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- Paul Buchheit
You should read: http://www.amazon.com/Things-... The author discusses cold fusion research in much more depth and discusses the scientists that are currently in these fringe areas, what they have found, how they are going about research and the criticism they face.
- Bill
“Metaklett is a steel velcro-like substance created by Josef Mair and teammates at Technical University of Munich. One square meter of it supports up to 35 tons at temperatures up to 800 degrees Celsius.”
- Anthony Citrano
from Bookmarklet
I am currently getting used to keyboard shortcuts in Gmail. Also great. But I still want universal shortcuts. I keep using Photoshop shortcuts in Visio et al.
- Sajida H Khan
Be careful, I just spent 42 hours without access to all my Reader shares, notes, comments etc (http://ff.im/7JFoG) .. kept getting "please try again in a few seconds"..151,200 is a lot of seconds to be waiting.. & still no official word from the Reader team, will it happen again? Personally I'm going to pull back until I can get my efforts out of Reader (an API please).
- Chris Myles
"A series of successful rocket tests in the Mojave desert recently marks another step in the development of a car built to reach 1000 mph. The British team Bloodhound Supersonic Car (SSC) is comprised of some legendary land speed experience. Richard Noble was the man behind the Thrust SSC—the car that set the current land speed record. And the man that will slide behind the wheel of the Bloodhound is Andy Green, the former fighter pilot who holds the land speed record for the fastest diesel vehicle in the world (just over 350 mph, back in 2006). We met with the team recently to"
- Jason, Queazy
from Bookmarklet
"Let’s face it, no matter how much we take our camera out, there’s only so many pictures we can take of our kids, pets, house and garden before we start itching to shoot something else… but what?"
- Baard @ Pixum
from Bookmarklet
I was thinking about this today - I don't remember 4 or 5 entire tech conferences devoted to just Facebook in a single year. That makes me think something's different about Twitter. Maybe you're right on the reasons - I'm not sure what it is, but Twitter has the celebrity appeal that is drawing more people percentage-wise than Facebook. Interesting to see if Facebook can turn things around (I have faith they will).
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I've talked with dozens of businesses and they all say Facebook isn't working as well for them.
- Robert Scoble
Facebook needs to fix the fundamental issues I laid out in that post before businesses will get excited. Hopefully the FriendFeed team can help them there.
- Robert Scoble
Robert yeah - that's why I was one of the few excited about the FriendFeed acquisition. I think it has the chance to fix those problems. I agree completely. In the meantime I'm going to make Facebook better for business on SocialToo. :-)
- Jesse Stay
i think robert's hit it on the head. FB is simply too cumbersome and too information-poor to be of value to businesses; twitter's extreme simplicity ("just" a stream) and ability to be mined make it easy and valuable for businesses to use. i'm on a trip to nyc right now and am amazed at how much local businesses have picked up using Twitter.
- empireofno
Sigh, Posterous is still not working for me. Not good.
- Robert Scoble
Gus, it's now working again, thanks!
- Robert Scoble
Twitter is open to the world. Facebook content is only really fully open if you subscribe. Facebook has an image problem where business is concerned, basically it's perceived to be full of kids wittering on about drunken nights out. Similar opinions could be held about Twitter but successes are easy to see and the 140 character limit also limits the bullshit. Twitter is an old fashioned...
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- Gilbert Harding
It so baffling how such a mess of a site that is USELESS w/out a 3rd party app has such a HUGE adoption rate. On second thought, I blame you guys, Robert & co., for bringing the masses over. Now, no one wants to leave! ;)
- Mona Nomura
it's not the site itself that is really the useful part, it's the platform it has become. Actually, I'd venture to say that, since most people still use the web interface, it explains why most people still don't see the power of Twitter. I've always disliked it, but it's success in penetrating...uh...everything cannot be denied.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Maybe power is a little strong, LOL. I've never noticed the search being broken, though.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
@rasheen @mona - it's irrelevant whether the useful part is the site or a third party app. No third party would exists without Twitter. How smart is to let others do the hard work at your place (if you'll be able to make money from this)? ;-)
- Markingegno - Donato
Maybe it's the tools I use (or don't use) - pre Gnomedex I had two people monitoring on Tweet Deck, two on Co-Tweet, and Chris would monitor via web...and whatever he uses. We'd STILL have discrepancies. Baffling.
- Mona Nomura
:) Meant to comment here..copying text from above. I am a total geek w/ my hands on my keyboard 71% of a 24 hr. day, yet I frequently find myself frustrated w/ FB's extremely non intuitive web interface...Now....that being said ~ today I found myself conversing fast, fluid & furious very Tweet-Like from the new FB iPhone App while lounging at the Pool...Who knows what I'm talking about?...
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- Zaneology
Facebook's design is definitely crap and makes the site a PITA to use for me. Too much going on.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I think Twitter is super over-hyped. Five to 10 billion? That's way too much, comparing to traditional industries. Take for example Israeli company Iscar (www.iscar.com) that is considered a world leading supplier of precision carbide metal working tools (cutting tools), has billions of dollars in revenues, employs thousands of workers all around the world and reports an average of 15%...
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- Nir Ben Yona
O_O 5-10 BILLION? noooo way.. maybe 550 million at MAX, but no billion dollar ranges.
- Kevin Nunez
I agree w/ billion - the entire market is shifting because of social media, led by Twitter.
- Mona Nomura
Scobleizer: I could not disagree with you more about "Facebook needs to fix the fundamental issues I laid out in that post before businesses will get excited". Look at companies like Zynga who are making high double digit to low triple digit millions on top of the Facebook platform. Also Playfish, Slide, Playdom, etc. You're just wrong on this one--businesses are already there, and making lots of money.
- Eric Florenzano
after years of avoiding it, I broke down and registered for a FB account. the inability for me to choose whatever user name I want is close to a deal breaker for me. But I went ahead and registered anyway. After 30 minutes I got tired of all of the customization and quit.
- jbrotherlove
So far, facebook and twitter have the same problem: monetization (I read your post about Sushi restaurants paying to list coupons next to their mentions in search results which could have some legs but it still needs to be proven). The other problem for twitter is the sign up process: it is still way too hard to find the right people based on your interests and as a result a lot of...
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- Edwin Khodabakchian
Just as AIM was adopted by the masses in the late 90's, Twitter is being adopted now. I think, in the next decade, competing services will arise making Twitter just one service among several status/comment services feeding into a more broad (more robust) platform that has yet to be defined. Just as you can now chat between AIM and Yahoo IM, you'll be able to interact between Twitter and...
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- Gus
I not sure that you're right, Robert. But I'm not sure that you're wrong either. Twitter going for that price would kick off another tech bubble.
- Roberto Bonini
I don't think I could ever engage with Twitter in its current form. The reason why businesses and celebrities like it is that it's so simple. The can post updates from their mobile phones and look at their follower count and feel good about themselves being popular. But I doubt that most people see more than 1% of the tweets from the people they follow. I also don't think that they can be worth anything like $5B because they have no assets.
- James Myatt
From posterous: Wow.. I completely disagree!! Yes it is good for the duration of a tweet and maybe even the duration of it's search (two weeks), but the entire world doesn't think/work within such a limited window. Yes the twitter environment is successful, but where would twitter be without all the layers and add-ons that actually make it easy to use? You can't (fully) figure that into...
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- Chris Myles
Did anyone else experience this? When I read the title I had this image of Scoble with a Dr. Evil (Austin Powers) voice over.. "Twitter is worth ... 5 BILLION dollars"!!
- Chris Myles
we need to wait for the Facebook/FF/Linkedin $1bn revenue IPO before we place that value on Twitter. An FB/FF/LI combination could justify a $10bn IPO in 2010. Twitter can't (yet).
- Thomas Power
Robert, this looks way off dude. 'Underhyped', what else is more hyped than Twitter these days? And how did you figure the $5-10 B valuation? It may end up being worth something, but wonder if any businesses actually quantified their ROI of using Twitter. Most seem to be on the bandwagon but fumbling in the dark trying to figure out if it means anything or not.
- Nalin Perera
Facebook got a jewel with the FriendFeed acquisition. The ability to create publicly available informaiton and track the social web is there for the taking, if they pursue it.
- Hutch Carpenter
@edwk / Edwin, totally agree with you that Twitter has huge issues in the user discovery department without the use of third party tools. It is pretty much inexcusable that they, instead of pushing the foolish "Suggested Users" thing, haven't simply INDEXED THE BIOS to allow (new) users to search over those with a simple searchbox: "What are you interested in? [type a keyword]"...
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- Alex Schleber
Great post Robert, Arrington and Gillmor were already preaching something similar and we definitely need strong Twitter competition now.
- Alberto Saavedra
This is retarded. How on earth is Twitter worth $5-$10 billion? I see absolutely no evidence of any revenue generating opportunities produced by Twitter. This guy needs to stop drinking the Kool-Aid.
- Scott Carmichael
Whether Twitter is worth $5+ billion today is an unfortunate focus here. I pay attention to how attractive Twitter is becoming to small and LOCAL businesses, small organizations, and small events--particularly in these tough economic times. It reminds me a lot of how small scale customers saw Google AdWords when it first became available. It was a breath of fresh air compared to the...
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- Loren Heiny
I think Twitter was stupid to turn down the $500 million offer from facebook. I doubt if Twitter will ever earn that kind of revenue in my lifetime.
- Garin Kilpatrick
"YouTube, the world's most popular video sharing site, said on Tuesday it will start sharing advertising cash with users who upload the most popular clips of everything from skateboarding dogs to dancing babies."
- LANjackal
from Bookmarklet
This works GREAT! Now if I could only select *which* FF entries I want to ship to Facebook, I'd be all set.
- Phil G
I agree with Phil.. even if I could tag things with #FB it would help. My friends are already overwhelmed with my geekness, flooding them with ALL of my FF content would seal the deal!!
- Chris Myles
Ben: I am only getting one-liners what else do I have change - a privacy setting somewhere?
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
I've tried this several times without success, will try again... Thanks, Ben.
- Kol Tregaskes
it will post to facebook..but does not show pics if it has them in it.
- (jeff)isageek
Woohoo! Thanks for getting this working! :)
- Keith Bourgoin
Still doesn't work for me I'm afraid. It stopped posting a few weeks back and no amount of removing/readding/checking settings helps. Not even your awesome link :(
- Alex Lomas
Alex: has just stopped working for me too! Everything is fine with the application ie it shows up on the tab but does not publish into the news feed... interesting...
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
@Benjamin: Thanks for the tip - it always used to be set and I've double checked via your link and it still is. How long should things take to show up?
- Alex Lomas
Thanks Ben this was not set on my side about to check, thanks for the help!
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
hey its working for me now!!! rock on. pic and all!
- (jeff)isageek
Hm. The pics I just posted to FF never showed up in FB. Anyone know if this should be working?
- Keith Bourgoin
from IM
@Benjamin - Wow, thanks for looking into that. Still not showing up on my wall, so I guess it must be something else :(
- Alex Lomas
@Benjamin - Woohoo! They've appeared! But the stories were way down the bottom of the wall amongst posts from early this morning so I didn't initially see them. Maybe something to do with time zones (I'm in the UK)?
- Alex Lomas
Ben: that solved it for me too! Pics also showing! Thanks for the help! 1 quick question for you :) when do you think we will be able to add the FF app to Facebook Public Profiles because that would be awesome!
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
I like the KSOs much better. Run with the Injinji socks and you won't get blisters.
- Graham English
Where did the skin rub off? The classics are pretty bad in the heel area. I know a couple people who got the Sprints and didn't have any troubles with them.
- CAJ, somewhere else
I haven't seen anybody with the black ones yet. They look really good though.
- Daniel Zarick
Is it considered bad form to wear these as regular shoes, like around the office?
- Andy Bakun
It's generally considered bad form to be comfortable in an office (especially if you're female), so if these shoes are normally comfortable, I'd say so.
- MiniMage - HLtW
i have a pair of KSO's and was expecting blisters but have gotten absolutely none. im super happy with mine. Paul, how sore are your calves? I had the deepest burn for a few days after i started.
- Kevin Pruett
I'm not so sure my office has that issue, Minimage.
- Andy Bakun
I'm considering getting those - I had to give up on the barefoot treadmill running.
- Darren
Does your office need a technician who attacks computer problems viciously and tenaciously, Andy? j/k
- MiniMage - HLtW
Kevin, my feet and legs (other than the skin) feel fine, though we'll see how things are tomorrow. I ordinarily wear flip flops and also spent a little time thinking about how to run barefoot, so I was at least a little prepared. I'm not much of a runner, but it felt easier than it normally is.
- Paul Buchheit
Hmmm - I wonder if they sell those at BackCountry.com - need to go look (I used to work there)
- Jesse Stay
Paul, is this inspired by that MacDougall book Born to Run ?
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
How do they run? I like the idea, but I'm afraid they'll be uncomfortable/annoying.
- Nate Pilling
Yeah, the red is blood. It's not that bad though. The blisters on the pads of my feed are more annoying. I shall have to try wearing socks next time :)
- Paul Buchheit
If you're chafing on the heels, and they're not too big, then the prescribed answer is special 5 finger socks. My brother called them and that was what they told him anyway.
- Piaw Na
Piaw, I think they are too big. The "right" size felt a little more snug than I like, so I went one size larger, which may have been a mistake. I did buy the toe socks, but just didn't wear them.
- Paul Buchheit
Sorry about your feet! I've never seen these before. They look they would be excellent for Martial Arts as well. Are your toes still as flexible in them?
- Michael Fidler
My FiveFingers get me lots of comments when I wear them around (airports, conferences, etc.). Muy comfortable.
- Jason Miller
Oh, great. More plaster casts from Bigfoot "researchers".
- Aryn Corley
Ooh. I have never seen these before. Do they make you run faster / better?
- Winston Teo
Just saw a woman wearing these on the Red Line train in Cambridge, MA last week. First time I'd seen them.
- Ben Greenberg
Winston: the FiveFingers lessen the barrier between the ground and your foot, which allows your body to naturally compensate for variations in terrain. Some claim this is healthier and will improve long-term running healthy. Read the book 'Born to Run' for a great story and some provocative science.
- Jason Miller
I bought a pair of the sprints a few weeks ago and had a similar problem, no blood though. I took them back right away and bought the KSOs in a size smaller. For some reason in the women's version, the KSOs run a half size big, might be worth checking it out in the men's if you're concerned about sizing. Also, watch out...I loved running in these so much I doubled my routine and out of...
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- Kristin Norris
Jason, you just cost me $10 with your book recommendation (damn the Kindle and the easy book buying)
- Piaw Na
I bought vibrams a week ago: ran a few miles, went to the gym and wore them all the day; feeling very comfortable, no blood or blisters reported so far (as a disclaimer I usually wander barefoot at home and I am kind of a regular runner). Great also for exercising at the gym as I felt more grounded; on the other hand they are not very suited for driving, too much grip.
- Marco Fabbri
Is Boo a common word in the UK for this kind of thing or is this a copy of Audioboo.fm from Bestbefore.tv? if you have an iPhone you can do this using the Audioboo iPhone app and adding the feed to Friendfeed. Horses for courses.
- Leo Laporte
You can also add a cinch feed to FriendFeed and record your messages over the phone, no internet connection required: http://cinch.blogtalkradio.com
- Jesse Stay
The facial expression when he says "Understanding what we've gotten ourselves into," at the beginning says it all.
- Jim Iz Not on Ur List
Very nice. It's always reassuring to hear from you, Paul. Steve, I've not heard your voice before. It reminds me just slightly of William Hurt.
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
My shares already come to FriendFeed, as you know, and I won't be sending them to any other network (until forced). But appreciate the how-to.
- Louis Gray
Is there a keyboard shortcut for the new "send to" feature in Google Reader?
- Jesse Stay
Does this speed up the transfer? I've noticed the past 2 days have been a little laggy getting here.
- Courtney Engle
So when I using this method try to "send to" Ff - It takes me to FF and just pastes the URL of that feed item into a posting box. Is that proper behavior?
- Matthew DeVries
Yep. Similar to the behavior with other engines. You can then add other rooms etc (something not possible with regular sharing AFAIK)
- Deepak Singh
Wonder if there is a way to get it to open and drop it into the bookmarklet instead of Ff proper.
- Matthew DeVries
So what is the code to send it to a particular room? If I wanted it to flow in the public FF I would just click 'share'.
- Paul Arterburn
Whoa, sharing to a particular room would be epic :) Would probably have to create a shortcut code for each room instead of multiple rooms...
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
Ya, I really just have one group for this - public share or private share among close friends (private FF room). That would also let me DM the link to a FF user if I wanted a *really* private share.
- Paul Arterburn
AFAIK sending to a Room is a bit painful. I tag the item in GReader. Then subscribe to that tag's RSS in the FreindFeed Room. A little laborious to set up, but quick when sending - you just tag. And wtih GReader's pubsubhubhub they show up in Room immediately.
- Nick in Manila
Nick, could be upgraded with Mr. Fusion.
- Kevin Pedraja
Kevin - even with Mr. Fusion, it still needs the flux capacitor. Mr. Fusion generates the electricity, but it is the flux capacitor that makes time travel possible. </nerd>
- Andy Roth
@Andy, with a mind so sharp about a movie from the early 80s, that "close nerd" tag is meaningless ;)
- mjc
a wavelet provides access control. It provides a branch where participants can be different from another branch.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
a wave, itself, can also have participants: which implies they can see/control all the wavelets
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
I've written a bot that creates a post on FF for every blip... but it's not feasible. The alternative is to create a comment for every blip .. and thereby lose all formatting/photos.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Hmm, I should flesh out the FF side of it. An FF Post can have participants. A Comment has an author.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
From the Wave docs: "Waves are hosted live conversations between multiple participants". Excellent definition.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Now if only I could get a login for Wave!
- Rick Cogley
Rick, you will if you have applied for it ! Surprisingly, many people haven't.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
from IM
I'll need to update this mind-map further. Will post an updated one later.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
I've applied, but it looks like I'm waiting for the September invitations.
- JR Holmes
from iPod
I think anyone working in tech - not just programmers - can get access to the sandbox. You just have to pitch them a good reason :)
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
You forgot that on Friendfeed, a post also has addressees. Addressing specific people on FriendFeed also allows for access control, since the post/thread/conversation will be private. If you post something to a private group (and not your home feed), the whole group will have access (and not the public).
- Meryn Stol
It's a pity FF doesn't allow me to edit/reattach inline images ;)
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Sounds too complicated to start a new technology off with. They need to start more simple.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, the map is from a technical perspective .. visually, you'd just see a threaded conversation with (optionally) private sections. It is interesting, however, how much FF has achieved with a relatively simple model. Maybe their success is _because_ it was simple ?
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Yeah, the friendfeed side of this mindmap is very simplified right now. I really think Google Wave will run into some mainstream challenges for what I've read so far (don't have wave account yet). However, aren't you really just displaying the threaded feature of a Wavelet? That would just be the ability to comment to a comment in FriendFeed.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
manielse, yes. The major difference between the two is threading.. except in Wave, a comment is equal to a post itself (with photos, rich text, etc, multiple participants). Hence the recursive nature of the tree. A comment (blip) can have a reply, which can have a reply in turn.. and so on)
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
But these are features that some of the FF users have wanted, to reply back to a comment and also with a richer content such as a diagram that explains the topic better.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Ahsan, I know how it looks visually - I'm on the dev sandbox. I still say it's too complicated for an initial launch. They need to start simple, the Google way.
- Jesse Stay
Google Wave is all about potential. In a sense, it's like handing someone a copy of Visual Studio or Eclipse and saying, 'Okay, now go build what you want!' The majority of people will say, 'Uh... what?'
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva, agreed. That's why they haven't released it to the public yet.
- Jesse Stay
Interesting comment, Joelle. I wonder if Microsoft will branch off from the Wave server protocol at some point, like they did with XML, and do their own thing. :) Interesting times, ahead.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Ahsan -- what a great post! Pure gold. (And I happen to think that Google Wave is the wave (oops) of the future. But I need to get hands on with it for a few days to be sure.
- Sean McBride
Glad you liked it, Sean. Be sure to view the updated version (see the link I've edited into the original post).
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
I didnt have a precise enough project to make it into the closed access, apart from having written time and time again that what we should have and want was an open standard, distributed system matching nearly word for word the wave press release... (although the reality will probably be different). AM more interested in what can be done on a node basis than writing bots.
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
A key question in my mind: will Google Wave feel more cluttered than Friendfeed? The beauty of Friendfeed is the simplicity of the look and feel. Will more power features reduce the impression of simplicity and clarity?
- Sean McBride
You really can't compare FriendFeed and GoogleWave, they're both completely different things. Google Wave is a set of technologies that I feel will contribute heavily to the next generation of social networking tools, however it will not replace them. http://jaredquinn.info/article...
- Jared Quinn
To answer Sean's question, the interface itself looks pretty, but inside the wave it can be difficult to manage: I don't like some of the keyboard shortcuts; the threading in a live chat becomes confusing. While the windowing is slick, you feel like you need more space (at least on my monitor). They need to work on the UI (see Jesse's points above).
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
It's nearly certain that people and companies will come up with different client "front end" apps which are slicker to use, focused on using wave for a specific purpose - live chat/discussion, document management, information sharing, location enabled services, archive access, tech support, games...
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
"the threading in a live chat becomes confusing" (I wondered about that from the first moment I saw a Google Wave demo -- it looked busy and noisy...)
- Sean McBride
We strip the threading out then, sean..... non threaded real time conversations work perfectly well here on FF.
- Roberto Bonini
Roberto -- I need to actually use Google Wave in threadless mode to compare it to Friendfeed. Can't wait....
- Sean McBride
will Twitter turn off full "firehose" access to FriendFeed this afternoon or will they wait until tomorrow morning? http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
But what do friendfeed users get? I am not a fan of facebook, my family and friends are on facebook but they don't want to see what tech news I am discussing etc. if they close friendfeed down then great I will rebuild a new version :D It would be nice if they keep the 2 seperate and maybe share tech but I get the feeling friendfeed.com will just point to facebook in the end :(
- Darren Stuart
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Marshall, from a product perspective, what is Facebook really getting here? Can't they implement everything you outline on their own? Is this really a talent play for Facebook? Was it defensive (e.g., was Twitter looking at FF)? Regarding social networks, it seems to me that a range of flavors will emerge (completely private like geni.com to the public cross-pollinated fire hose of FriendFeed). All serve a valid purpose for different/overlapping audiences.
- tomturnbull
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
I can't help but think it's like a Betamax/VHS scenario. For those of us who remember when (and no, you wise guys, I don't mean 8 -track!) both platforms were good, they came out around the same time... and it can even be argued that Betamax had better quality. FF has more options, but... if the "people" elect Twitter the platform and use it, then ultimately, Friendfeed is the betamax. A great technology that withers. There are many platforms chasing the same fickle (?) audience.
- Jody Raines
Why would Twitter do that? It would be an idiotic move by Twitter, and force them into even further "walled garden" mode. Twitter needs to prove they're more open, not less - cutting off FriendFeed just removes them from becoming "the pulse of the internet". Not to mention I bet they have contractual obligations.
- Jesse Stay
"It would be an idiotic move by Twitter" -- Has that ever stopped them before?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, I didn't say it wouldn't stop them. I only said it would be an idiotic move. :-)
- Jesse Stay
each user or group can be set as public or private in friendfeed this is closer to twitter permission system and would greatly improve facebook if implemented
- Mike Chelen
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
FriendFeed search sucks at picking up Tweets today. Something's happened.
- Nick in Manila
That is *exactly* why FF will become more mainstream than twitter.. try explaining how to tweet to your parents (who are finally comfortable with email)!
- Chris Myles
I'm thinkin' if FF goes away ... A flight to the coast ... and a (friendly) knock on Paul and April's door ... ??!! I have no probs with Facebook, but you guys already have a few hundred users in re-hab! :)
- Charlie Anzman
you guys have kept the ff service tight from day one: efficient code, optimized servers, resilient backend code, outstanding BOSHiness and obviously on-the-ball ops. No glaring, dumb startup downtime, lost data or huge blog posts explaining how you're sorry about x, y or z screw-up, and will learn from this experience and you have a 10 step plan to avoid screwing-up again and crap about...
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- mike
Goodnight and goodluck! Enjoy the new digs! Don't forget us!
- Jay Farmington
Robert, I took my $1 back and plan to bring it with me to Facebook. :)
- Dan Hsiao
Good luck with the moving and happy for you guys for your next chapter. You might be able to get me back to Facebook.. not yet though.. ;)
- Jaap Willem
It's always sad when a smaller, more cooler company joins a larger one :(
- Ankit Ahuja
That's really fast. Let's hope that you all can make a big difference at Facebook :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Wow, that was staggeringly quick. We hope that your new home at Facebook is a good one.
- 3Cinteractive, L.L.C.
from twhirl
Hope you guys can continue the open houses over at Facebook. Those were great fun.
- Hutch Carpenter
I am very confused now. I thought you just added some functionality yesterday.
- Hunt
from BuddyFeed
Wait. So facebook bought friendfeed. I thought it was the other way around. :) *********************************** Sent from my wireless device ***********************************
- Sean Montgomery
from email
So long and that thanks for the fish.....
- Gordon Joly
The new FeedFace userability will be awesome - good times ahead!!
- tony
Wow....that was fast. I know everybody seems sad but it'll be alright. Have a great move and don't forget to take all the toilet paper and light bulbs on your way out.
- suzanne