Just a little side story I thought you might enjoy. Years ago when I was a wee lass I met Bonnie Tyler well actually my brother believed that he got the eye from her (in his dreams I say ;). The Multi-Coloured Swap Shop visited and we all ran up town clutching our swaps Bonnie Tyler was the singer and when she sang my bro insisted that she was giving him the eye. Me and my bessy mate...
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- Groobers
Thanks LJFfor introducing me to a new person to follow (glad FriendFeed didn't go the way of Twitter & that FF lets us see responses to peeps we don't follow!)
- Isha (Marysia)
Is Ed some kind of God? He blesses his followers and magic happens! Ok let me explain. Just a week ago, I bought a domain name, put up a home page with opt-in and optimized it for a keyphrase. All other pages of the site are dummy pages with content like "Lorem Ipsum blah blah..." I didn't even bookmark or write ANY other content for the site yet
I was planning to start working on this site next week. So imagine my surprise, when aweber starts sending me emails that people are signing up from my homepage! I was like, WTF! So I decided to investigate where are people finding out my site from, since I had done no publicity, submissions, bookmarking etc. And then I discover my site is ranking #9 on its own. Man, if this doesn't tell you that even half baked 30DC practices work, then what will! Unbelievable :-) I can't wait to see my competition being demolished when I bring out the big guns from Imm Edge and start applying those tricks here :-)
- Ritesh Lal
Hmm, finally had to put in an autoresponder email telling my subscribers that the site is not open yet, and is still in test mode etc. :-)
- Ritesh Lal
sounds like a very pleasent surprise :)
- Chris Linseman
Thats fantastic - looks like you've found a great keyword and seems you've got persuasive writing down too! Best of luck to ya!
- Elizabeth
You are awesome! I haven't been able to rank on page one for any of my sites so far. =( There was one, but it took me months, and not minutes. =P The conclusion is, my keyword research skills need more fine tuning... Would you happen to have any advice Ritesh for choosing easy keywords that can get you ranked on page one in a day or two?
- Art Y.
Don't be disheartend Art Y. The first project I did during 30DC 2008, took me 2 months. And then I found out that I had messed up differentiating between phrase and broad match traffic (this was early days of Mkt Sam, with no PBR data). So now even though my first site ranks #1-3 depending on google's mood, I still barely get 30 visitors/day :-( Well, live and learn :-). NO real secrets...
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- Ritesh Lal
Thanks Liz! Hey Chris, looks like you made it safely back to England after all the drunk debauchery at Mass Control in San Diego. Great to see you in this FF room. Chime in and keep us posted whenever you can :-)
- Ritesh Lal
Thanks for the advice Ritesh =) Hmm... actually to be honest, I've been... targeting keywords with SEOC less than 5000, and still can't really manage to rank as fast as most people do... Considering that the SEOC is so low, and the Competition module is mostly made up of greens and yellows, there must be something more to keyword selection than this that I haven't really grasped yet.....
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- Art Y.
Hmmm, looks like there could be more to it than just keyword research here. If you feel comfortable sharing your keyphrase with me, I will be happy to take a look at your site and MS numbers together with you over a Skype session. I am far from being an expert, so take it for what it's worth. My skype id is lal.ritesh and I live in California GMT-8 timezone.
- Ritesh Lal
It seems the notifications are pretty much instantaneous now. You'd rather have a digest of some sort?
- Ken Sheppardson
from email
Yes please! The option would be good. I'm setting up a room for a scientific colleagues who may be new to FF/aggregators, and who want an email digest to alert them to new activity. Just the option of daily or weekly would be perfect.
- Matthew Todd
Very powerful. Nice to be able to customize notifications on FriendFeed.
- Mike Reynolds
hmm, i think it is possible to make a digest of sorts by feeding out to yahoo pipes(setting it to update occasionally) & feeding that back in
- immaterial
@immaterial Sorry for digressing but I don't think you can set yahoo pipes to any particular update frequency (which is problem in its own actually).
- lelapin
I'm using searches saved as RSS feeds into Google Reader to capture info.
- Glen Group
OK, but I'm looking for something with a lower barrier to entry - email digests provided that for people new to FF, and indeed new to social/aggregator sites generally. PLEASE can we have it back - just a little drop-down menu like we had before, allowing for daily/weekly digests by email.
- Matthew Todd
take the RSS from the room and feed it through Feeddburner (or any RSS to email service that alos has a once a day digest option)
- suelibrarian
Anything involving RSS is too much. LOW barrier to entry for REGULAR PEOPLE.
- Matthew Todd
God, the email notification is sending me a separate mail for every little thing that happens. Are you kidding me? Why would I want that, ever? Digest. Summary. Please.
- Matthew Todd
What's "God" has to do with it? (he don't exist for starters). Yeah, "piecemealmail" notification sucks, FF needs to get it fixed and digestified. Observe FF is running on Cuppertino time while readers live in real world timezones - so they'd also need to generate digests at cut-of times that are of significance to each subscriber, not to their own robot.
- ianf ⌘
Well, sure, but periodic updates would be a start. I hasten to add I'm speaking from the point of view of getting people involved who are not normally into social networking/web 2 sites like FF. People who are not likely to check the FF site often without an email reminder that there's stuff to look at.
- Matthew Todd
Involving unmotivated people in FF is exacerbated by the fact that it is difficult to explain what makes it the Next Great Thing - it's not email per se (although it is); not chat (oh, yes!); not BBS (guilty), or a blog platform (beg to differ) - but all of those things in an unobtrusive and low-threshold wrapper. But that's a mouthful.
- ianf ⌘
Totally agree. I'm trying to replace a scientific email list with a room on FF. It's perfect for this function - posts that include discussions. But the jump from email lists to FF is large, and take-up will be poor without some bridging apps.
- Matthew Todd
Matthew, I haven't started yet, but am thinking of the same, how to entice a whole bunch of chatty people who barely mastered email (10+ years of usage), and so will be reluctant to abandon what they now have on Yahoogroups, for this.... er... whatisit? My Master Plan™ is to do it by stealth... create a group, populate it to some extent with bookmark(l)ed topical content, then invite...
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- ianf ⌘
Trying the same approach. I asked colleagues for their opinions, and they immediately requested email digests. Pleasingly this was a feature in FF, then overnight it disappeared in FF beta. The migration experiment may still work, but I could really use that digest functionality to help out. It's such a simple feature!
- Matthew Todd
I'm sure FFeeders are aware of it, only haven't yet figured out how to do it in scalable manner. But it will come. Still, richtext digests can be counterproductive, too; they tend to be long, and not as readable in email clients (FFs wasn't at all) as the originals on the web.
- ianf ⌘
One bug in the desktop notifier of which you should be aware: if you open the settings dialog on the desktop app & then click "save," the checkboxes in the web version settings will revert to default (even if you didn't change anything in the desktop settings.)
- Mark Traphagen
So how does this feedback room work - do FF developers read this room? Any feedback to us as to whether our suggestions are being worked on/laughed at?
- Matthew Todd
Now and then they might chime in, but in general they sorta let us fight it out amongst ourselves while they stand behind that one way mirror over there on the wall.
- Ken Sheppardson
Maybe if we start busting up the place, they might come in?
- Matthew Todd
I'm really tempted to make some sort of joke about the big-headed, telepathic Talosians observing Captain Pike and Vina the ST:TOS "The Menagerie"/"The Cage", but I'm totally not that big a nerd.
- Ken Sheppardson
Difficult to bust up the place here, though. I guess as well as a 'like' button we need a 'freak out' button for this room.
- Matthew Todd
I just wanted to share that I just made $18, my first sale, using trialpay.com. If you haven't heard of it, and you have a product, it's definitely worth checking out. My trialpay offer page is currently converting at 12% (of course, that will drop). Just a thought to those of you interested!
Lauren, first sale is always a beautiful moment. Congratulations! Keep the momentum going and post here soon with news of your first $1000 in the bank :-)
- Ritesh Lal
Hi Lauren - could you explain what trial pay is and how you incorporate it into your business to make money. I just went to the site and don't really understand the concept. Thanks!
- Elizabeth
Congrats! May you have many more =) I've heard about it, cause WPD uses it, but I've never looked into it before. Will try! || @Elizabeth If I'm not mistaken, customers can sign up for free offers, for which Trialpay pays you. So customers are indirectly buying your product by signing up for free trials. Though, I think there are paid trials too
- Art Y.
It's kind of like using your product as an incentive for CPA offers, except that they usually pay around $15 or so. (You can adjust how much you'll accept for your product.) So instead of selling your product, you give it away for free and in return TrialPay pays you for the person who completed one of their offers.
- Lauren
Thanks for explanation Lauren - was this covered in 30dc+ or something you found on your own? curious minds et al :-)
- Elizabeth