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Compete reports FriendFeed traffic now is below last year's numbers. Down 21% month over month as well.
Steven Perez, Durukan Duru, Daniel Mietchen and 65 other people liked this
Via http://siteanalytics.compete.com/friendf...
- Louis Gray
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- michael sean wright
I'm still here damnit!
- Glenn Slaven
Not me! I left a long time ago! (p.s., I can quit whenever I want)
- Louis Gray
The lightweights left. Good riddance.
- Spidra Webster
Figures. FF may have jumped the shark when it sold out to Facebook. But at least we diehards continue to stick around...
- Dennis Jernberg
my feed is jumping more than ever. something in those stats must be broken or skewed.
- Joe Silence is not dead
"... this is when we opened the real time beta and when the beta rolled out to the main site... oh and this is when we announced the Facebook aquisition..."
- KyleHase
Everyone's experience is different, Joe. I believe, in aggregate, that these numbers are correct. That doesn't impact my own behavior, of course.
- Louis Gray
I've been getting a rather healthy influx of new subscribers.
- Mark Davidson
Yes but I think the quality of information here is much better. The people that left were producing noise. Thank god Scoble took them with him..
- CW™
definitely less noise
- holly
oh, yes.
- Joe Silence is not dead
ff's dying:(
- Igor Poltavskiy
Compete or Complete? just wondering?
- Bill Heslin
not so Igor
- Mitch
Compete.com is Incomplete, Bill. :)
- Louis Gray
it's not dying, Igor, it's just losing the "flavour of the month" people who like to talk to the mirror.
- Joe Silence is not dead
lol...ty Louis...after I typed it I said ....Ooooh god...I'm an ass...no one needs to agree...
- Bill Heslin
I've been hit with a bunch of new followers lately. I'm still doing the same ole thing, I think. Plus, I found the librarians (or maybe they found me?).
- Derrick
@Derrick: in the end, The Librarians find us all!
- Joe Silence is not dead
well, that's not entirely true.
- Joe Silence is not dead
I've still got around my librarian at my U...it's a catholic u...I thank my spiritual friends...lmao
- Bill Heslin
Derrick - it was a mutual thing :)
- holly
Well, FF is probably the best of the last round of linear conversation and aggregation tools, largely thanks to the lack of overhead and fluff (the users contribute plenty). Whether you use it in a bare-bones, flat way -- or have mastered an elaborate orchestration of API hooks and fiddlizations -- there is plenty of value to be had in the way FF handles its business and lets the user handle theirs.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
This matches my observations as well and is a major reason why I've spent less time here. Chris: the problem is that most people tell me that Facebook has enough conversations for them. One of Zuckerberg's items a week ago had many thousands of comments.
- Robert Scoble
That still doesn't mean anything for me - it's still a very productive tool. I'm at an advantage by using it.
- Jesse Stay
I'm still here on FF too!
- imabonehead
quantity != quality
- holly
Compete is about as wrong as Alexa was in the old days. Seriously, I have numerous benchmarks where I *know* the traffic and Compete is often off by serious margins. Instead, I'd use Quantcast which shows a major drop off in September, but with the bottom falling out the numbers have started to trend back up again. http://www.quantcast.com/friendf...
- AJ Kohn
I agree only Quantcast is accurate-ish.
- Thomas Power
@Thomas: Yes, I'm not saying Quantcast is always right, but it's usually more right than the others.
- AJ Kohn
Alexa is a relative measure it's relatively right http://www.alexa.com/siteinf... the top sites look right-ish to me http://www.alexa.com/topsites when compared to Quantcast http://www.quantcast.com/top-sit...
- Thomas Power
Thomas, that looks pretty up and to the right to me, in a long-term sense. It's fun to look at the short-term, but we're seeing no sense on a long-term scale of FriendFeed losing traffic. Great point on the Alexa and Quantcast (assuming we even need traffic graphs to keep us on here)
- Jesse Stay
Thx J x
- Thomas Power
@Robert, I'll never argue that Facebook isn't more popular. All the cute that it offers (which isn't nearly as bad as it could be) seems to make it approachable enough to a much wider audience than a tool like FF. I get that you can filter out the fluff and minimize the Facebookishness of it, but then you're stuck with their interface and color scheme (unless I'm missing something). I guess I really see them as being different corners at the same party.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
whatever it is.friendfeed still has it's unique user group's. i am happy to be here
- İbrahim Ot
I see more interaction on my items now than in the pre-Facebook days, but I may be an outlier.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
from iPod
Well, I don't care what the numbers say. I get much more out of Friendfeed (in terms of discovery, engagement *and* enjoyment) than I ever have from Facebook - and I should point out that, with 2 or 3 exceptions, I've met everyone on my Facebook friends list.. Friendfeed demonstrates that it doesn't require a cast of 350 million to make a great community.
- Andrew Terry
hear hear Andrew
- Thomas Power
looks like FriendFeed was the first to be kicked by Facebook changes.. wich is not so bad since the service belongs to
- Frédérick 2 Baro
from Yoono
Somehow I feel the Compete state are not correct!
- Sampad Swain
I'm not going anywhere!
- Jason Hill
To get a good experience, friendfeed has always required you to put in a lot of time. So many active users comment on a thread and Hide it when they no longer have anything to say, if you come by a few hours later to comment you're just talking to a wall. friendfeed has never been very rewarding for casual use, in my experience, and that is doubly true now.
- DGentry
Awe man....
- Alternating Reality Books
You can't argue with Metrics, but my own feed is very active
- RAPatton
from iPhone
What RAP says. I don't think this could ever be determined, but I wonder if certain language groups have dropped off their use while other language groups have maintained?
- Rochelle
You can Hide Stories? Really? Well, damn, so you can.
- Jason Hill
*yikes* that explains the lethargic Home Feed; less users = less interaction/activity = the lethargic(boring) feed
- sofarsoShawn
I check FF as much as I ever did (though I should prolly post more)
- Iain Baker
*quoting mode on* Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. -- Albert Einstein.
- Citronella
Do not like ...
- Charlie Anzman
not a good news
- Ted GUO
:-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Traffic Statistics: fascinating if you like numbers; otherwise it's just classic ePenis-waving, pointing, and gloating, and not really important if you're happy.
- Mark H
Without ads, how does friendfeed pay for itself?
- T. Brent, technopeasant
That's a shame seeing as FF is better than all the other social sites. I'll continue to use it until I can't.
- Araceli
All you frowny faces need to go read through the thread - FriendFeed's just fine - up and to the right even. I'm not sure why Louis felt the need to post this. See this thread, much more accurate: http://friendfeed.com/jessest...
- Jesse Stay
Note that November was the month Scoble announced publicly he was leaving Friendfeed (FTMP)
- Jesse Stay
T. Brent, FriendFeed doesn't need to make money (although I'm sure they will) - they're owned by Facebook, which is already profitable and cash-flow positive
- Jesse Stay
Yet, keep in mind FriendFeed is part of Google's deal for real-time content :-) I bet there was money there.
- Jesse Stay
Thx, Jesse.
- T. Brent, technopeasant
"Q: Why doesn’t Compete’s estimate of site visitors match my local analytics (e.g. Google Analytics, Omniture)? ... A: ... Compete measures only US activity." -- http://www.compete.com/resourc..., while the Alexa chart Jesse posted in his thread showing up-and-to-the-right growth reflects global activity. There's no real disconnect between the two charts. Which one you think matters more probably depends on what argument you're trying to support.
- Ken Sheppardson
What's friendfeed?
- veo
Ken, exactly
- Jesse Stay
veo: the matrix. you're in it. you just don't know it.
- Itachi
Interesting. I was just thinking that FF has started to die. The activity amongst my friends and friends of friends has decreased considerably in recent weeks.
- Jason Toney
oh that's not cool wonder what's going on!!!
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
still here
- Mike Nencetti
successful exists do not always equal successful products once acquisiiton is complete.
- susan mernit
...still here. Still like it. Still find it useful on many levels. The thing about FF is that even at its peak, its traffic and usage wasn't even in the same league as Facebook, Twitter, or even MySpace in steep decline. The raw user numbers never (or should I say, optimistically, haven't) reached any kind of critical mass. Outside of the early-adopter and sophisticated info junkie/informavore crowds, Friendfeed, just isn't that relevant.
- .LAG liked that
Quoting Jeniffer Aniston: This is so uncool. :-(
- Olivia Lovag
why I should trust only compete's data? where is guarantee they are not biased due to some unknown reason? now if you would go to e.g. quantcast for another opinion http://www.quantcast.com/friendf... and switch between 3m, 6m, 1yr and "all"... do you see difference? yes, I know quantcast doesn't have access to data, only estimate, yet... Ok, let's try alexa.com http://www.alexa.com/siteinf... - and they also show compeletly different trend... so, WHY we should trust compete's graphs?
- A.T.
A.T., be sure to also see my article here that agrees with you: http://staynalive.com/article...
- Jesse Stay
How many people here use FF for work / project dev - or do you use it for just link sharing with friends?
- zeroinfluencer
@zeroinfluencer I use it for conversations, along shared links and not necessarily bound for them. I can't discuss my work in public at all, apart from very generic details, hence question about using it for work/project _is_ irrelevant for me. But rest is just goes here - twitter is very far behind friendfeed for me. And facebook complements friendfeed pushing it even further.
- A.T.
zerioinfluencer I use it for both
- Jesse Stay
@AT @Jessy - I use FF a lot for project dev with distributed teams - the mix of chat and sharing in private groups has proved amazing. Even team members who have never used FF before have been going "wow" why the hell haven't we used this before?
- zeroinfluencer
To my point - FF has not really been presented as more than a Twitter style app - it's far more than that IMHO. It's a swiss army knife for the web.
- zeroinfluencer
I am new so this read well. I am one of those - why the hell wasn't I here before now. I used to Icq a LONG time ago. Then did nothing for a while. Joined a fan site - LonghornNation.com and met tons of people that many are still very important friends to me - I blogged, read and interacted on forums, met tons of people at real life events. Then that site was shut down and some moved to...
more...
- Paulette Garcia Morris
@zeroinfluencer I use it for both too
- .LAG liked that
I'm still in love with FF as my web swiss army knife too. What should we move to when it disappear? What about Feedoor?
- Opensource Obscure
This is the funniest thing I've seen all day - http://www.facebook.com/pages...
Gökmen Karasu, Kol Tregaskes, Jérôme Flipo and 19 other people liked this
And they *did* change their web site! Check out the video! "Tired of someplace where everyone already is? I want My{own}Space!" http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Kevin Fox
let's make it even more funnier http://www.facebook.com/photo...
- Eren Emre Kanal
Is the $100 million acquisition today considered a good exit? (good enough?)
- Hayes Haugen
Nokia to Launch Social Texting Service, WeMeet in India [Twitter Killer] - http://www.pluggd.in/nokia-t...
Sampad Swain liked this
HOT Mallu Drink http://www.twitpic.com/p7px5.
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Oh that's pretty hardcore LOL stuff :P
- Sampad Swain
:-)
- Sameer Panchangam
Oh, we finally found a GREAT use for Google Wave! Holy shitake! RT: @Orli: Awesome video!! http://www.youtube.com/watch... #googlewave
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imabonehead, Chris Lasher, Todd Nilson and 47 other people liked this
and I thought I had to much time on my hands........
- Cjay
Hehe!
- Kol Tregaskes
pure genius!
- Loc
Is this wave pulp fiction mockup real? Now that I have a wave account, can I see it in Wave?
- SuezanneC Baskerville
The 5 Minute Decision that Saved the World in 1983 - http://www.bspcn.com/2009...
Sampad Swain liked this
Interesting research on social media in India. I'm esp. interested in the social technographics slide. http://www.slideshare.net/preetid...
Sampad Swain liked this
I wonder how Hitler managed to look at himself in the mirror and not laugh every morning… http://twitpic.com/iwx6s (via @hiway) o_0
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Sampad Swain liked this
......now thats a funny quote :P
- Sampad Swain
PR 2.0: Stop Talking About Social Media and Go Do It Already http://www.briansolis.com/2009... (via @briansolis)
Pete Delucchi, Travis Koger, Thomas Power and 7 other people liked this
BTW, I know the guy who wrote this. He's nuts.
- Louis Gray
Welcome Ryan!
Debra Moore, فری ویل, HealingBrush and 572 other people liked this
Congrats Robert... best wishes to all
- Rhys Amos
Congrats. Now the fun begins!!!
- Mike Shields
Awesome!
- dstamand
Congratulations!
- Stephan Planken
Congratulations! Welcome, Ryan!
- Lance M. Brown
Awesome
- RetiredTeacherD
Yay! Congratulations!
- Jesse Stay
YAYAYAYAYAY! Congrats to you and Maryam!@#!@#!
- drew olanoff
congrats Robert and Maryam, Welcome Ryan.
- rick
Welcome to the world.
- Dave Mora
Congratulations!!!
- Mike Doeff
!!!
- sean percival
Born 11:32.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
LOL He was keepin ya'll on yer toes. CONGRATS!
- Danny Minick
Yay! Congratulations to you and your wife! Now off to buy RSS and iPhone
- Lise
Congrats!!!!!
- Mark Evans
Congratulations!
- Kenneth
I hope you're well rested, Robert ... ;-)
- Hieronymus Murphy
Congrats Robert!
- Charlie Anzman
Congratulations!
- 321
He looks like you.
- Cjay
Congratulations!
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Congrats to you all
- JanLawrence
Congrats Robert and welcome RSS!
- Robb Brock
Congratulations! Happy Birthday Ryan! Lots of love to the whole family.
- Jodi Church
SUBSCRIBED!
- drew olanoff
Hello World!
- CannonGod
Congratulations!! Welcome to the world Ryan!! :)
- Laura Zickus
<rss> awesome! </rss>
- sean percival
welcome to the new world little one! all hail our pink squirming screaming overlord!
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
LOL at CannonGod's comment. It's like he started a Wordpress blog. XD
- Danny Minick
When does he start micro blogging?
- Cjay
20.5 inches long. 7 lbs. 13 oz.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
nice alpha version. welcome RSS !
- Kaïs Miled
congrats!! welcome rss!
- barbarars
Ryan is no longer in beta! LOL :D Congrats, Scoble!
- Danny Minick
Congratulations :)
- امیرعباس
RSS is finally here! Congrats Robert & Maryam
- Dennis Jernberg
Congrats Robert... best wishes to all
- joupy
Congratulations!
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Blessings, and the best Robert!
- Nakeva Corothers
Cute!
- Charlie Anzman
مبارک باشه Congratulations
- هامد
Congrats!!!
- Jim Williams
Grats!
- Denverken
مبارکه رفیق رابرت . خدا حفظش کنه
- جـوان ایرانی
If Dave Winer comes on here and claims to have invented RSS I will smack him.
- drew olanoff
Congratulations!
- joey
Congratulations and all the best.
- Bryce Roney
Welcome Ryan!!!
- Phil
Welcome Ryan :)
- giuseppe c. | markgreene
Awesome. Congratulations!
- John McCrea
Congratulations :-)
- ѕнαнιη
Congratulations!
- anna sauce
Congratulations :) Welcome Ryan :)
- Mohamed Marwen Meddah
Congrats, Imagine where RSS and the web will be when he turns 30!
- James Watters
Congratulations to you both.
- Don McAllister
congrats Robert and Maryam :)))))
- C o n f o r m i s t
congrats to the family!!
- erik yuzwa
Welcome to RSS in Pubsubhub mode :)
- Ouriel Ohayon
Congrats to you all!! We had our second child, a boy, on Tuesday. Enjoy!!
- Alex Cordiner
from iPhone
Yay! Congrats to you, but mostly congrats to your wife for doing all of the hard work. ;-) xo
- Jennifer Leggio
Mazel Tov!
- Robb Vaules
Congrats Robert....wishing all the best to your family....
- Carlos
Congratulations! Wow! Seems like we were there just the other day! Looking forward to your late-night feeds and tweets and blog posts!
- Louis Gray
You rock! Congrats. Thanks for sharing. How's mum doing?
- Steve Lacey
from iPhone
congrats! and welcome ryan
- Daniel Levine
Congrats Robert - It is a fine family....
- Simarprit Singh
"beautiful new baby" by Robert Scoble, photojournalist. I stepped away for coffee and bang! RSS
- Brian Hendrickson
nice!
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
Thank you so much for sharing
- Sherrie Belken
:) congrats
- Shandiz
Born on Talk like a Pirate Day, too! Yarrrr!
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
congrads ms & mr scoble, :)
- chaz2b
Thanks to the good Docs!
- Keith Rowland
congrats!! ^_^
- Christine Lu
Congrats!
- Mycaptain
Steve: mum is sleeping but got to hold Ryan. Instant love!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Welcome, Guest dear to our world / Now the world is on your own
- C o n f o r m i s t
that feels good
- Brian Hendrickson
Gonna have to learn to operate that iPhone with one hand.
- Keith Rowland
Congratulations!
- Parth Awasthi
Congratulations. Hope Maryam iis doing well
- Rachel Clarke
Congratulations! Wish him all the best!
- philos
Welcome Baby Ryan!!! My baby Ryan (17 years!) and I are honored to welcome another superstar to our planet! Love, hugs, and lots of kisses to Baby Ryan, Mommy Maryam, Dad Robert and big brothers Milan & Patrick and of course Grandma!!! My guess on Ryan's arrival (predication) was only 23 hours off. I thought he would arrive on Friday, Sept. 18th at 11:45 pm. Love to all, Kelly & Ryan Kim
- Kelly S. Kim
Congrats, Robert and Maryam.
- Derrick
Congratulations Robert, and well done Maryam! You are truly blessed :)
- Nicola Quinn
So happy for you Robert and Maryam. Yeay...another FF baby!
- Mark Krynsky
Congratulations!
- Surachart Opun
What a moment, eh? I remember when my daughter came into this world, it was so exciting there were no words for it. Congrats on your wonderful baby boy!
- Michael J. Carrasquillo
Congratulations
- testbeta
Congratulations! Welcome to the world, Ryan. :-)
- Yvette Ferry
Congratulations Robert and Maryam! And welcome Ryan. If I was having a baby today, I'd begin a blog for him/her straight away as an online diary they could look back on when grown up.
- Sandra Large
he's so cute...
- Sinem Vural
Robert, Congratulations to you and Maryamie!
- Mike Fruchter
Wow, congrats to all of you!
- Paul Salzman
Congratulations to you both!
- Forrest W. Kobayashi
Great news guys! All the best!
- Chris Nixon
الهــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــی چقده ناز نازیه.اینو فارسی نوشتم مریم جان بخونن ....راستی به باباش که نرفته:)) خوشگلتره:)) پس به شما رفته
- joupy
congratulations!!
- Jeroen De Miranda
Congratulations to you and your wife Robert!
- Randy
Congrats Robert!
- Terry Jones
congratz and welcome RSS!
- Jon Winters
Congrats Maryam :-)
- Terry Jones
Felicitations and humble prayers for your new son.
- Victor Panlilio
congrats and best wishes!
- Mike Chelen
Congratulations Robert! Welcome Ryan!
- Jeff P. Henderson
Congrats!!
- Tan Kaiquan
congrats and best wishes to all. :)
- Naor Mark
Congratulations
- Meral Alabaz
I was a c-section six week preemie in an era when that was seriously life-threatening, they didn't know if I would make for the first week. It always gets me a see a c-section / preemie come howling into the world. Welcome, little guy!
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
from iPhone
Beautiful baby! Congratulations daddy man :)
- Gary
:) Congrats Robert... best wishes to your family! Get her name in twitter and ff!
- Business Blogger【ツ】™
Congratulations to you and Maryam!
- Elwin Witzke
AmazinG!! congratulations :)
- Nakul
cutie pie baby
- Debby Bruck
Congratulations :)
- Baard @ Pixum
Ryan, good to see you.
- Burçak Çubukçu
تولدش مبارک ^_^ Congratulations!
- Emad
Warm wishes and congratulations. Love that you posted him crying.
- Irene Koehler
Congratulation to all of you! All the best for baby ryan!!!
- Arne Krueger
Congrats to both of you :)
- zephyrlily
Congratulation....best wishes to all
- Opium
woooow like :)
- کلیشه
Congrats M. & R.
- Giuseppe M.
ووووی مبارکه، به مریم خانوم هم تبریک ما رو بگو
- Zahra (raoros)
Congrats Robert and Maryam, Welcome to geekdom Ryan!
- Andrew Wardlaw
Contrats!!! I'm so excited!!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Congrats.That pic brings back memories of my own baby's birth only ten months ago. C-section baby boys rock!
- Georgiana Comsa
Mazel Tov to you and Maryam.
- Michael Markman
Congrats... a few more Scobles make the world a better place ;-)
- Aad 't Hart
Congrats!
- George Mitsopoulos
Congrats... and Welcome Ryan. Good to have you among us.
- fatima
Congratulations! I
- Michael Fidler
Wonderful news. Congrats.
- Keri
Congrats Robert, and the best to you, Maryam, and of course Ryan!
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Congratulations Congratulations !!
- Farzad
Congrats
- Sandeep Swaminathan
looking to to the same in 3 weeks
- ROBIN SMITH
Congrats on the blessed event! :D
- Joel Lovato
Congrats Robert and Maryam. Welcome Ryan !!!!!!!!!
- Nir Ben Yona
Congratulations, Robert!
- Mark Trapp
Congratulations to Robert and Maryam.
- George Hall (Australia)
Right ON! I am so happy for you. I have 4 kids of my own and they are my greatest joys. Take care and I hope all goes so smooth for him and mom.
- Robert Anderson
Congratulations!
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
Daddy Scobleizer!!!!!!!!!! First things first....when will he be signed up for Twitter and FF?
- krystyl
Congrats!!!
- eric susch
welcome Ryan, it's a beautiful world
- Michele Costabile
Congrats!!
- Olivia Lovag
Congrats to the Scoble family from South Africa! Welcome to the world @RSS
- Shaun Trennery
Good luck beatiful baby.
- Oğulcan Selçuk Akbulut
Congrats, Robert! :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
Congratulations Robert, and welcome Ryan!
- Giorgio Zarrelli
Congratulations Robert and R.S.S.: "Hello World" Cheers!
- Louis Trapani
warmest congratulations
- Peter Holland
what a beautiful baby=)Congratulations=)
- Candan Celik
Such a miracle and a blessing - Congratulations to you and Maryam and "big" brothers!
- Marla Schulman
Congrats, Robert. Amazing pictures!
- Jordi Soler
Congratulations to all of your family! Enjoy!
- Ed Richardson
Congratulations ... enjoy!
- Hitesh Parashar
Congratulations!!!! He's beautiful! Welcome little one! I'm proud to share a birthday with you!
- Martha
Congratulations Robert and Maryam! Welcome to the world Ryan :-)
- Rasmus Lauridsen
happy birthday BABY
- ≤ M@RzI
Best congratulations!!!! :)
- CantorJF
Congrat Robert. It is wonderful what this new media could do to share your joy!
- Gianto Widianto
congrats!
- Pradhap Nirmal Natarajan
Congratulations!
- Steve Garfield
به به . قدم نو رسیده مبارک مریم جان . خیلی نازه :)
- RokhSaare
Hope the baby and mum are well. Congratz. Happy Ied Mubarak =)
- zʍıɔ
Congrats on the blessed event! Welcome to the world, Ryan
- Jazz Baker
Congratulations!
- Jim Hearts FF
appena nato e già dal dentista?
- paolo beneforti
Congrats :)
- Maryam Ardakani
from FreshFeed
He was delivered by a Blue Man?
- paul mooney
Congrats Robert. It's allways a special moment. I still have my child birth in my memory!
- Rui
What a happy day! A healthy new Scoble and mom.
- Dave Winer
آخي ، بچته ؟؟؟ مبارك باشه تو روز به اين عزيزي به دنيا اومده ، بت نميخوره بچه انقدري داشته باشي شيطون
- mohammad
My goodness, congratulations!
- DGentry
Congrats!
- Ivo Mortani
Congratulations!! and best wishes
- Johni Fisher
congrats!
- masstrovato
Congratulations! I hope everyone's ok?!
- Holger Eilhard
حاجي خانومت ايرانيه جدي ؟؟؟ پس خيلي مباركه ديگه
- mohammad
Congratulations, Scoble family!
- Bill Scherer
wonderfull
- braciolanet
from BuddyFeed
Congratulations to you and your family Robert! A very handsome baby boy! Cant wait to see more pictures!
- TiffanyCarr
Congratulations, Robert.
- motownmutt
Congratulations!
- :: Kim Sherrell ::::
congrats :)
- £lham
مبارکه :)
- خیزران kheyzaran
Congrats!
- Roozbeh
Congrats to Robert and Maryam!
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
WooHoo! My best to the whole family. I hope Maryam is getting some rest after all that hard work!
- Robert Couture
Congrats to you and your fam, Robert :)
- LANjackal
Ryan was born when the Berlin Marathon was finishing. Perhaps he'll be a long-distance runner. Congrats.
- Carl Jacobsen
Congratulations to you and the wife, Robert! Job well done. I see he is gonna take after his Daddy! ;-0 ,hehe:-)
- Duliece
One more congrats won't hurt, right? Thanks for sharing the pics.
- Kevin Sablan
Congratulations :)
- A35G
Congrats - Exciting & now the fun begins :-)
- PXLated
Wishing you and yours the best on this wonderful day! Congratulations!
- Steve
Congrats on the RSS feed update :) I hope you've pinged both rsscloud and pubsubhubbahubba !
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Starting today. Sleep will be nothing more than a fond memory. :) Congrats.
- Richard
Congrats!
- Herb Hernandez
from iPhone
Congrats!
- YusufOzanTasdemir
Congrats Robert!!
- Taehoon Kim
Congratulations!
- Thomas Hawk
Congratulations to you both :)
- 1x29
Congratulations to all!
- malackey
fantastic !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- michele ficara
Awe!! Congrats =)
- Brodie Beta
Congratulazioni!! ^______^
- Andrea | amnesiak1978
congrats!!
- Clarita
Congratulations to your whole family, Robert :-)
- Glen Mistletoe
Welcome Ryan! Congratulations Robert and family!
- Tim Probst
from iPhone
Congratulations!!! God bless....
- Bob DeMarco
Congrats!
- Jason Williams
from iPhone
Congratulations Robert, Maryam and Milan! All the best to the four of you.
- Eiso Kant
Congratulations :-)
- Jalada
Congrats! Enjoy.
- Jim Peake
Congrats
- BeeLing
Congratulations!!
- Paolo Leonardi
Congratulations, Robert and Maryam!
- Helen Sventitsky
Congratulations!
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Congratulations.
- ashish
Congrats
- Brian Appleby
oooww wonderfulll :))
- Ucandepik
Well done, my son's name as well.
- Robert Kenney
Congratulations
- Caleb Scribner
Congrats
- Manuel Mas
Congrats! Best wishes to you, Ryan and all your family!
- Lenny Post
congrats ^_^
- Furkan Tunalı
Conga Rats!
- Michael R. Bernstein
Wonderful! Enjoy!
- Alan Morris
Hello!
- N.G. Gordon - RadarSync
Absolutely wonderful. Welcome to the world Ryan!
- Loren Heiny
from iPhone
Congrats :)
- Hasan Al Shehabi
Congratulations to both of you.
- Roberto Bonini
OMG Congrats to both of you, he looks healthy and promising.
- Jeunelle Foster
Congratulations to everyone! He looks healthy! I am sure you must all be very happy! ;)
- Altan Khendup
Congratulations! May your tribe ever increase in happiness, joy, and fulfilment.
- trey pennington
Congrats!
- Ben Parr
what would be ryan's reaction when he would read this post someday, so many folks who knew dad congratulating him!
- testbeta
Congratulations!
- Anne Bouey
hiya RSS!
- Laura Norvig
Yah!! Congratulations.
- Micah Wittman
Congratulations to the whole Scoble family!
- WorldofHiglet
Congratulations to the whole family! Enjoy these most precious times.
- Marylene Delbourg-Delphis
best wishes to all
- Hamza Şamlıoğlu @TEAkolik
congrats Robert and Maryam
- Kevin Tunis
Congratulations, Robert!
- Sabri Küstür
from FreshFeed
Wonderful. Best wishes to Ryan...
- Mitchell Tsai
Congratulations to the whole family :)
- Chris Saad
Congratulations
- Samaneh
Congratulations. cute :)
- FFTornado
Congratulations. First picture on twitter!
- Cindy Makonin
I just came to make sure you were getting a proper congratulations
- Sherrie Belken
Welcome :)))
- Flynn (Michael A. Volz)
congrats;)
- الی
Congratulations to the Scobles!
- Carlton Prest
Congrats Robert!
- Jorge Escobar
congratulations, Robert and Maryam.
- Valeria Maltoni
congrats!
- Daniel Brusilovsky
WOW - what a miracle - congrats!
- Mark Harai
Congratulations Robert & Maryam!
- Rodrigo Jaroszewski
Congrats from Italy, Ryan!
- Federico Bolsoman
from iPhone
Congratulations Robert and sorry for delay, Best wishes
- erfan
He is crying: "I want an iPhone". Felicitations!
- William Mougayar
May he be blessed throughout his life! God bless you, Robert and Maryam!
- Melanie Reed
CONGRATS!!!!!!!!!
- Greg Ness
congrats :)
- Erdinc [bilimdiyari.com]
Congrats Robert & your family :)
- Sampad Swain
what a beautiful little guy! congratulations! rock on!
- B.L. Ochman
great day, congrats
- imran
Wow congratulations to both you and Maryam you must be so proud :)
- David Richardson
from Android
Congratulations
- Eric Logan
Wow, Congratulations, Robert and Maryam!! Ryan looks beautiful.:-)
- Cathryn Hrudicka
Congrats man. That's so awesome.
- Give 'Em DBizness
Happy Babbie Day!
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Congrats!
- Zachary TG
Congrats! I wish a long and healthy life.
- Muammer Okumuş
Robert, you newest addition is too freaking adorable. I hope you and Maryam are doing well. Congratulations! Here's to a long, prosperous future!
- Mike Nayyar
Welcome, Ryan - you picked a good family!
- Matthew Blaisdell
congrats to you and Maryam! And welcome, RSS!
- Joshua Allen
from fftogo
congrats!!! Welcome to Ryan
- Dario Salvelli
Congratulations to you and Maryam! E benvenuto Ryan!
- Marco Fabbri
Congrats! :)
- Emmanuel Anumonwo
Congratulations!
- mlazopoulou
Such auspicious times... Welcome, Ryan!
- Red Label
O HAI, Ryan! Congratulations to Daddy and Mommy, too!
- Ladybug Heather
What's Ryan's Twitter address?
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
from iPod
قدم نو رسیده مبارک!congratulations
- Jan Valjan
Congrats, best wishes. :)
- Hunt
حوزه جان بیا در گوشش اذان بگو
- مـــــــــمد
woohoo! congrats!
- Tyson
That is a wonderful moment! All the best to momma, baby and the family!
- Mary Gilmour
Congrats Robert! Welcome Ryan!
- Garin Kilpatrick
Awesome, Congratulations Robert and Maryam! And welcome to the world Ryan.
- Mitch Baldwin
Happy parenting! Congrats!
- Natallini
Groovy + one geek on the planet
- Yann Ropars
Congrats!!! Robert
- Steve Chou
To the proud Papa.....Congratulations!!
- Bonnie Foster
Congratulations Team Scoble. Best of good wishes to all of you.
- Morrie Johnston
Congrats Robert and family!!! Welcome Ryan :)
- buvanesh
congrats Robert!
- Joshua Guffey
Congratulations! RS
- Sean Kelly
Congrats :D
- Emre Misvaklı
Congratulations. he's so cute :)
- Armando Grati
Beautiful!
- Ryan Sholin
Congratulations
- Kreg Steppe
Congratulations!
- Gordon Saunders
Congratulations!
- Hamid Reza
Congrats Robert....How amny more before you have your baseball team :-)
- Alex Marrow
Seriously, Best whishes.............God Bless......
- Alex Marrow
Mazal Tov!
- Raanan Avidor
All the best! Fun Times!!!!
- Jim Turner
congrads now the fun starts, beautiful baby
- Debra Moore
congrads !
- ★ Soner Gönül
Congrats and Best Wishes!
- Tracy Benham
Looks like the baby's first trip to the dentist
- Steve Borgman
Welcome, Ryan! Congrats, Robert!
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
The Wall Street Journal 2009 Technology Innovation Awards http://online.wsj.com/article...
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Introducing DataLiberation.org: Liberate your data! - http://googlepublicpolicy.blogspot.com/2009...
Misha, tinym dot com, Hilary and 34 other people liked this
"What does product liberation look like? Said simply, a liberated product is one which has built-in features that make it easy (and free) to remove your data from the product in the event that you'd like to take it elsewhere."
- Matt Cutts
from Bookmarklet
Yeah...something strange happening thr!
- Sampad Swain
The answer for GMail is pretty weak. Allowing POP/IMAP for realtime access is totally different then allowing backups. Anyone who's tried to setup GMail backup via POP knows what I'm talking about. It ain't easy, especially given the way they limit POP access.
- Steve "Daddy do it!" Lacy
Steve, I actually thought the backup was quite nice: http://www.mattcutts.com/blog... . That said, I would love if there was a way to click a button and download your email in a tarball or zip easily. Or maybe pay $5 and get a DVD with your email snail-mailed to you. :)
- Matt Cutts
wonder what the Open Data folks think about this new venture from teh Goog
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
more choices 2 choose from & more 2 think about wow
- polou/indigo_bow
Matt: i know it is a company policy but what of you think of http://mail.google.com/support... http://www.ralphtips.com/2009...
- testbeta
Steve: IMAP can be used to backup old emails as well, it is rate limited though
- Mike Chelen
BTW, thats a great looking logo.
- ZN Moment
I found out with my own tool, http://spamcheckr.jungleg.com -- give it a try on your blog.
Stephen Mack, TheHenry, imabonehead and 5 other people liked this
wow. I got a 30 on my site. What do I do to get that down?
- vijay
What? What words did you get? You have been totally hacked then. To get that down (you must be at 0) you need to do a fresh install of Wordpress and install the plugins from scratch. Not pretty, but otherwise Google will penalize you for having spam keywords.
- Jorge Escobar
oof! any idea how do sites like techcrunch protect themselves from this attack?
- vijay
They don't use plugins or develop those themselves. Plugins are the achilles heel of Wordpress, IMHO
- Jorge Escobar
ah! that makes sense. Any idea how I too, can isolate the rogue plugin like you did?
- vijay
Well, I'm not isolating it because I know, I am guessing that's what's causing it, because all the other plugins are very kosher. But unfortunately, even if you delete the plugin, it infects your Wordpress code so bad, you need to do a fresh install every time this happens.
- Jorge Escobar
ah! thanks a lot Jorge. Very useful tool indeed. Now to spread the word around, about it :D
- vijay
Thanks vijay, I wrote it about 6 months ago, I believe, but it has detected this on my blog twice. The telltale sign for me? Viagra ads on Google Adsense... But I am eventually going to write a monitoring system that checks your blog daily and emails you if you've been spammed.
- Jorge Escobar
Google Voice Finally Marries SMS And Email - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
Ryan - @magicofpi, CW™ and Sampad Swain liked this
Good Google's move!
- Igor Poltavskiy
from Bookmarklet
Original screenplay for CASINO ROYALE. [PDF]
Casino Royale.pdf 4 MB
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The script contains scenes and dialogues they decided to remove from the final film. These include references to 9/11. Also, the first ever kill Bond makes (the guy he drowns in a wash basin and then shoots), happened in Lahore.
- Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
mutton curry with baby potatoes and cottage cheese in tomato curry for dinner along with chappaties! yeah mommy is back in the kitchen!
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Oh, hello! Invite me over.
- Kate Foy
Yummy. I thought I hated cottage cheese till I realized what Paneer was.
- Adi
Kate, do come over (all the way to India)- I love feeding/fattening up people. I'll be sharing my mom's recipe of cottage cheese in tomato curry. Its delicate and loved by kids.
- Deepti
Just set up Facebook SMS - testing it out.
Owen Greaves, goldberg_sizzles, Ahmet Alp Balkan and 5 other people liked this
I use it for all my family members on Facebook so I don't miss their updates
- Jesse Stay
It would be nice if FB SMS worked in Ireland where 18% of the population uses FB.
- Bernie Goldbach
Try FFSMS http://ffsms.com/
- Alp
Classic Photography in Lego - The Daily Beast - http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-a...
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ahahaha
- senem özkan
Today's Garfield Comic Strip - ArcaMax Publishing - http://www.arcamax.com/garfiel...
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garfield minus garfield - http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post...
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Yeah this site is one of the amazing humor resource of the internet. Loved every post of it :)
- Sampad Swain
Kaminey - Title song. Sung by - Vishal Bhardwaj. - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Amazing song. Especially the echo in the backdrop gives a very haunting experience. Nice :)
- Sampad Swain
BOOM! Towel-Man strikes again...
Sampad Swain, Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty, vijay and Josh Haley liked this
Prepare to be WIPED out!
- अभिषेक(Abhishek) Das
All that is happening has happened before. And all that is happening will happen again. But things never happen the same way twice.
Sampad Swain liked this
RT @TechCrunch TwitterSense. It’s Coming. http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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How Big Is the Apple iPhone App Economy? The Answer Might Surprise You http://gigaom.com/2009... from @gigaom
Tate DA FF MVP, Andre P. Siregar and Sampad Swain liked this
I just spoke with FriendFeed cofounder Paul Buchheit. Did you know that he promised family that FriendFeed would continue? More:
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He told me they messed up by not communicating better last week. The deal happened so fast that they didn't pay attention to everything.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I like how this is starting
- Robert DeBord
o0o0o0
- Mark
Promises ?
- johnpiercy
as its own service?
- Lee
you are the one who keeps proclaiming its death
- Mark
That's what Compaq said when they purchased DEC. (for those of you old enough to remember)
- RobinDotNet
A promise is not a guarantee.
- Amit Morson
Such a tease, Robert. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
More smoke-blowing. I don't care of Paul swore on the graves of his ancestors. Actions speak louder than words. Some vague promise to a group of people I'm excluded from doesn't do much to assuage my unease.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva, you're right, but it's not smoke.
- Louis Gray
Okay, Louis, true. I retract that first sentence. The rest of it, however, I'm sticking by.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva: well I feel a lot better about things today.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Continue just as it is? Or with key changes?
- Karma Martell
I would expect them to post more on this topic soon - on their personal blogs.
- Louis Gray
If that's what Paul wants to promise us, he needs to release some kind of official statement, not send a message through Robert.
- Rochelle
Soon.
- Louis Gray
I bet you as part of the contract, its in there not to shut this down
- Stephen Pickering
Rochelle: there are too many unknowns to make a definitive statement yet.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
keeping my hopes up. but i do remember working at a few radio stations that were bought, we'd get a memo saying 'the format is not going to change' about three weeks before we switched to spanish. i think there is just too much here for ff to vanish. keep the dream alive!
- michael sean wright
How can he when it`s lost all of its autonomy? Supplanted by Facebook, bought outright no?
- sofarsoShawn
It couldve been part of the deal not to let the site die
- Stephen Pickering
Robert, like you said, one can hope. However both of us know how corporates work and it takes one small decision from share holders to close down the service, no matter what.
- Nir Ben Yona
They want to get to Facebook and get those unknowns nailed down first.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Holden and Rochelle, etc., let's be patient. If you see the post I put up last night and add Robert's comments here, we should be feeling a lot better today than we did on Monday.
- Louis Gray
Robert, all right. Well, after my initial freak-out over this, I've gone into complete wait-and-see mode. More of these vague promises and 'coming soon' messages don't really do much for me. When someone say something definitive, then I'll be there to consume it. The rest of this just doesn't add up for much.
- Akiva Moskovitz
That was a great post Louis
- Stephen Pickering
Thanks, Stephen. I thought it was important.
- Louis Gray
Akiva, exactly, waiting for official word.
- Kol Tregaskes
Nir: the way it was told to me contractually it can't be closed down anytime soon.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I hope they don't change it so you have to have a Facebook account to use it. I have one, but share it with very few; I use Twitter and FF for everyone. I want to be able to use it the way I do now.
- RobinDotNet
Like any takeover/merger, some details just take time to work out. Hopefully FF can stay around in some form and help make FB better. We'll just have to wait and see. Thanks, Robert, for the info.
- Mark Edwards
I agree, we haven`t seen anything substantive in the way of contract etc but fingers crossed.
- sofarsoShawn
But doesn't mean it won't be shutdown at some point?
- Kol Tregaskes
And, Louis, I didn't see your post from last night but I'll read it as soon as I get back from the store.
- Akiva Moskovitz
was Pownce a bit like Friendfeed? I never used it
- Mark
I can't get my hopes up when Facebook is in the picture. :-(
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I am very happy to hear that! I hope it gets bigger than Twitter. It's a much better service.
- Sam Guzman
Stable Door and Horse comes to mind.
- Kevin J Hatton
The fact that the FF folks haven't yet said "This is how we want it, so this is how it's going to be" is just evidence that they don't have the final say on the matter. If it's subject to some additional authority/approval, nothing is certain at this point.
- Ken Sheppardson
Kol: it won't be shut down anytime soon. He was quite clear about that.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Kol, the truth is they work for Facebook now, and therefore, FriendFeed can/will change, and it may not change 100% how you and I want. It may be part of Facebook's site later, and it may not. But Facebook is changing from what we know of it now to something new where they overlap.
- Louis Gray
In other words that was in the contract. Makes sense, since they were hesitant anyway
- Stephen Pickering
Robert, OK but maybe at some point though.
- Kol Tregaskes
I sure would like it if FF continued indefinitely.
- Jason Nunnelley
Kol: nothing in life is guaranteed.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Patience is a good thing. That said, if FriendFeed wasn't growing at a rate much higher than it has been, something would have to change. You don't bottle up such talent and experience and have it work on a product that was losing.
- Louis Gray
Robert, What about death and taxes?
- RobinDotNet
Good to hear. I am sure they will take time to decide what exactly to do with FF. How to integrate them together. What to do etc. FF the R&D for FB I think it could be
- Robert Anderson
Robert, true. All a bit vague still though.
- Kol Tregaskes
Scoble: encourage Facebook to keep FriendFeed as a premium brand. Let them tie it to Facebook data or whatever, but keep the system separate.
- Gary
Louis, right, this gives them legitimacy and exposure
- Stephen Pickering
Kol... if they wanted to grow they way they "deserved" to grow, this place would have changed underneath your feet to something you might hate. This is one way to put real capital and people behind the site as it is now.
- Louis Gray
So what? Do they continue try to grow friendfeed as an individual product? Or do they just leave it alive for those of us who actually use it?
- Sam Guzman
If this thing grows by leaps and bounds, FB is not going to close it
- Stephen Pickering
Mark: anytime a blogger says something is dead ALL that means is that it is less interesting than yesterday.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Over time, we will learn, Sam. It's a classical marketing/engineering decision. Do you build for the current user base, or the potential user base? With change. some were bound to leave anyway.
- Louis Gray
Louis, not arguing that at all. My point was about shutting it down or not. I'm at the wait-and-see stage, waiting for more news from FF.
- Kol Tregaskes
And any time I write a headline that says it's NOT dead... maybe I know what I'm talking about. :)
- Louis Gray
But this service grows more useful the more users there are
- Stephen Pickering
Something needs to happen. Twitter is useless now - maybe a new denial of service attack. I would love to see the Friendfeed technology spread to the mass user base that Facebook has.
- Frode Stenstrøm
Yeah, I understand. Maybe some of the extra publicity from the acquisition will lead to an increase in users...curious people signing up to see what it's all about.
- Sam Guzman
Well, at least he acknowledged they messed up.
- Rodfather
oh sweet, I just spent ages adding friendfeed people, setting up privacy and setting up FF to stream to my FB....now this might be a waste of time?
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
Frode: that was what Paul told me too. He wants the tech here to be used by everyone.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I don't understand why Google didn't buy it instead.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Rod, FriendFeed has no PR or Marketing. Maybe if they did, this would have been handled differently. Some things come naturally, and others are hard. But I bet you will see a lot more soon.
- Louis Gray
I've heard the same from another founder, Robert.
- Anne Bouey
Franz, no official word, just wait for an announcement from FF.
- Kol Tregaskes
They didn't want to work for google again.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Makes you wonder about a due diligence ckecklist and the speed of getting this deal done
- courtney benson
Kinda why they left. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Right, look at Google Reader. They don't know how to do social
- Stephen Pickering
It's all wonky and hard to understand
- Stephen Pickering
But GR is going in that direction.
- Kol Tregaskes
Companies come and companies go. They can go by closing their doors or by being acquired. Only time will tell whether FriendFeed has come and gone.
- Jeff Sayre
Google Reader is nothing like FF. No one really uses the social features.
- Sam Guzman
GR is trying, but its all wonky and totally un understandable
- Stephen Pickering
Oh. I just don't trust Facebook at all and can barely stand using it after being here.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Jannifer, I think we have to look beyond the caricatures of people like Zuckerberg, and recognize that he too may want the same things we do. Facebook is growing up and I bet FriendFeed and its team is a big part of that.
- Louis Gray
Louis, hope so.
- Kol Tregaskes
courtney: Paul talked about that too. He said once the team made the decision they knew it had to be closed overnight to prevent it from leaking.
- Robert Scoble
Louis I think its a perfect marriage, genius engineers + genius Marketers
- Stephen Pickering
Real real time would be awesome in Facebook. I really hope it comes soon.
- Sam Guzman
Well, he didn't quite say "prevent it from leaking" but he said "it's important to do it all at once." I knew what he meant, though, that it had to be done fast to keep things from getting crazy, like they do once decisions like this get taken into public sphere.
- Robert Scoble
I am sure paul is truthful in that he would like for it to go that way, but this is a M&A situation, and even if it is written into the agreement, there are a million ways around it. At the end of the day, shareholders make the rules in a majority vote. If ff isn't integrated in fb somehow, I fail to see how it benefits fb.
- Erik Boles
from iPhone
Kol: Paul was emphatic that Facebook is a far more interesting company at this time in both company's history.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Somehow this doesn't sound too convincing. If Friendfeed has been losing a LOT of regular users because of their deal with Facebook, they'd be concerned. Friendfeed is likely to get you to speak on their behalf, since you are their most popular user. Maybe Paul is trying to convince you, so that he can indirectly convince others too. That might save an early end to Friendfeed brought on by the rapid loss of users.
- K N Ajit Narayan
I totally agree with Paul, by the way. Facebook is a much more interesting company to join right now than Google is.
- Robert Scoble
Facebook = Microsoft 2.0
- scott anderson
Robert: Did he mention anything about Mashable reporting an acquisition had been talked about since `07?
- sofarsoShawn
YAY! thanks Scoble for letting us know - i feel alot better today!
- Chris Clayton
Hey, Microsoft had a decent run
- Stephen Pickering
Louis: yeah, Zuckerberg is a lot smarter and a lot more down to earth than most of the press gives him credit for. He's always been straight up with me. Much better than other companies have treated me.
- Robert Scoble
And that's even including getting kicked off of Facebook for 24 hours.
- Robert Scoble
@ Scott, LOL Facebook = Microsoft 2.0! I see your point, but it far surpasses Microsoft Live attempt at a social network.
- Nakeva Corothers
Erik: technologies that have great audiences don't get killed. If anything will kill it, it will be us. By leaving.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, cool. Well if they can ditch a lot of their annoying features, like this FB Lite might be, then I might be interested in moving over with all the FF features implemented but I just can't work with FB in it's currently state. I had another go this weekend and still didn't like it. But I'd be even happier if FF stayed here. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
this is gonna be an interesting story to follow for sure. For now I am just using friendfeed the way I have been and see what comes out down the road. life is about changes.
- (jeff)isageek
sofarsoShawn: I don't know what you're talking about regarding Mashable.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe I missed it earlier in this thread but why can't they just come out and say something directly to the community? Obviously a lot of people are concerned and anxious about it... Why do we have to hear second-hand? And why has it all been so vague? No news is not necessarily good news in cases like this.
- Lindsay
Robert, Leo called himself Leo Scoble today because he deleted his 5000 FB friends and moved them over to his fan page
- Stephen Pickering
jeff: yeah. Visiting Facebook is going to get more interesting. He also said that the first month at Facebook (which starts Monday) will be all about learning about Facebook's code. So, no new features will come quickly.
- Robert Scoble
Ok. I hope Facebook changes a LOT so it's more tolerable. Although I don't like it, I need to set up a good Facebook page for business so I can remain competitive.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I hope they do right by you. You brought them to the party. I hope that gets recognized somehow monetarily.
- Jim Posner
Saying that it might be shut down at some point doesn't tell us anything new, though; after all, any site might be shut down at some point due to going out of business etc.
- Tristan Seligmann
When anything comes out of this it was always going to be long term.
- Kol Tregaskes
Can i just add - Paul never said friendfeed was going to die in the first place... instead they said the complete opposite - "FriendFeed.com will continue to operate normally. We're still figuring out our longer-term plans for the product with the Facebook team."
- Chris Clayton
I'm not sure why everyone dislikes Facebook. What's wrong with it?
- Sam Guzman
sofarsoShawn, yes, Facebook had been talking to FriendFeed since 2007.
- Louis Gray
Lindsay, I bet the FriendFeed team has a very busy week and maybe you hear from them on all this soon.
- Louis Gray
Robert: "technologies that have great audiences don't get killed..." oh, come on, you know better than that! My dad worked at IBM so I've been seeing tech companies kill great stuff that their customers liked for most of my life!!!!
- Fred Davis
Jim, Scoble has gotten no money from FriendFeed (nor have I). Neither one of us expects to, as that would change the relationship.
- Louis Gray
He said FF would continue operating normally "for now". That was what freaked people out. But I'm glad to hear that Paul and company have plans to keep the service running for the foreseeable future. I wouldn't want to wake up one morning and find my favorite service was shut down.
- Jason Huebel
Fred, right, the Innovators Dilemma, but in this case its cost of running a website is halving every year
- Stephen Pickering
Louis: yes, but Paul told me that when I last was in the office they hadn't yet decided to go to Facebook. Everything happened in the past two weeks. I think you even walked in on one of their key decision points. He said they worked all weekend long on the agreement.
- Robert Scoble
Fred: nothing in life is guaranteed, yeah, you're right. But there's no business reason to turn this off anytime soon. If we all leave there will be.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: e.g., consumer company changes focus to biz or gets acquired... new company direction leads to consumer products getting killed despite popularity... that's just one of many ways that good tech gets killed all the time!!!
- Fred Davis
No disagreement on that at all, Robert. I know I walked in on something big, and that was my mistake for not calling ahead.
- Louis Gray
Seems their valuation stood on Roberts shoulders to some degree. At the least, a public thanks would have been nice.
- Jim Posner
Jason: i know, thats what got me freaked out too - i just thought i would add it in incase anyone missed it :) and because im a little bored! lol
- Chris Clayton
If FF were Twitter, we'd be screaming bloody blue murder about how they don't "get" user communication, etc., etc.
- Chris Baskind
Fred, can you give any examples? Any software I used to use that is no longer available was replaced with something better.
- RobinDotNet
No business reason that WE understand... 'cuz we don;t go to Facebook board meetings ;-) Facebook may have their own agenda... in fact, I assume they do...
- Fred Davis
Jim: I do this because I love it, not because I expect thanks or goodies.
- Robert Scoble
Why even bring this up if they can't talk about it? Nothing has changed just more innuendo and smoke and mirrors and a lot of 'what ifs'. Wake me when there's something concrete.
- Derrick
Robert: when you talk to paul next, can you push him into doing a public announcement on it all? Just give him a nudge in the right direction! :)
- Chris Clayton
RobinDotNet... god, too many to count! First one I was bummed about was in '85 when Musicworks was the best MIDI program on the Mac... got acquired by some jerky game company that decided it wasn't a game and stranded all the users! Yeah, eventually new better stuff came along... but that didn't do the users of the current any good at that time...
- Fred Davis
Derrick: sorry, I totally disagree. I didn't know that contractually they can't kill the service anytime soon.
- Robert Scoble
Derrick, there is more than smoke.
- Louis Gray
It makes sense, they had leverage to make that deal
- Stephen Pickering
Fred -- Okay, so that was one that was 24 years ago. Have any more recent examples? If you can't think of any, then they obviously weren't that important.
- RobinDotNet
Because they were hesitant, they had the leverage to make that part of the deal. Makes total sense
- Stephen Pickering
Um, apple buys leading music sequencing package and kills of PC version because, um, they want to force you to use a mac... come on, the list is endless!!! Companies screw customers by killing good products for their own reasons all the time....
- Fred Davis
Sorry, things are moving fast in this thread. There's a contractual obligation on FB's part to keep FF running?
- Jason Huebel
Fred, you keep saying the list is endless, but the only one you can name is one that came out about 2 years after the 1st Mac, 24 years ago. I'm just saying....
- RobinDotNet
Fred, but what if part of the deal was not to kill it?
- Stephen Pickering
This whole "Friendfeed is dead" mantra is, has, and always will be nothing more than an attempt to get attention. Friendfeed is successful and Facebook would never do anything to destroy that.
- Paul L. McCord Jr.
Derrick: believe me, Louis and I have been talking and concerned about the messaging coming out of this deal more than anyone. We both invested a lot of our time/careers here. Louis has been talking with the team too and that's where his post came from yesterday. I suggest you read it and read between the lines too.
- Robert Scoble
Understand Robert, Really not about your motivation, just good manners in my opinion for Friendfeed to thank you publically. Maybe they have and I missed it. I think you did more for promoting the service than the founders.
- Jim Posner
now, what facebook decides to do with friendfeed... who knows... Yahoo kept Flickr going... so far... but that seems like the exception... no one's really using jabber any more, but it lives on in the upcoming Wave and as XMPP at Google...
- Fred Davis
agreed scoble promoted the service in a big way
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
Jim: thanks, appreciate it. Paul did thank me in the interview I did with him right after the announcement was made.
- Robert Scoble
If there is a contractual obligation on FB's part to keep FF running, the obvious question is what does this contract state and does it give a duration. Hopefully we'll hear more later.
- Kol Tregaskes
Why? What would be the point? I respect you two enough and all that you do in the world of social media and that's fine. I want a place I can converse, post my pictures, air my gripes, and continue to establish the friends I've made via Friendfeed. Will I be able to do that or not? I'm so tired of the conjecture. Some of us, are just people who love the service and more than anything, very simply, we just want to be able to utilize it.
- Derrick
Kol: I call it the "Paul is sleeping on the couch for a month" clause. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
LOL, Robert.
- Kol Tregaskes
For a company like Facebook, I would imagine that the consolidation of branding advantage would lead me to suspect that even if Friendfeed is kept going in some way, it will be re-branded as Facebook... just like Longs, Wamu, and Wells Fargo are going through right in Facebook's backyard.
- Fred Davis
Derrick, this is the place to do that. :)
- Louis Gray
"For now". ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Throws sheep at Kol
- Louis Gray
Hehe, Louis.
- Kol Tregaskes
The other main issue I have is that, now we are creating content for Facebook. Facebook owns our data. For some reason I didn't mind Paul and his team, they were blacksheep. If I wanted to make Facebook richer I would type in Facebook in the URL. I dont want to make Facebook richer.
- Robert Higgins
What are the alternatives to FF? Isn't there Streamy, Plurk, SocialThing?
- Eric
Louis, I'll be counting sheep soon, need sleep. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
@Eric, we've been evaluating alternatives in the CloneFeed/OpenFF room. None of them really come anywhere close to what FF offers.
- Jason Huebel
Eric, none of those services are really similar. SocialThing is closest, but FF is still quite a bit different.
- Sam Guzman
Of course, since I'm hoping Grabbit will replace Friendfeed for most people, I'm more than a little biased, and that makes me care a lot less about what happens to Friendfeed... even though I love the service, and hope Facebook keeps it going. We're already planning to support Friendfeed in Grabbit, and the new Friendfeed API is awesome, so who knows what the extent of the disruption...
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- Fred Davis
Sam, I know there is something. I am upset, because I wanted to buy FF someday! :)
- Eric
So the word now is that FF will be around for a while AND Paul's mentioned the possibility that parts of FF might be open sourced. Any idea what parts?
- Jason Huebel
There has to be an alternative.
- Eric
Jason: too early to know that for sure. I'd start with the API. From what my friends are telling me who are good developers the API is actually very well thought out.
- Robert Scoble
Eric: Not really. Make one.
- Sam Guzman
There was an alternative, but I think it shut down.
- Eric
There is no need to replace FriendFeed. That there are options to decentralize our info is great, but I'm not going anywhere.
- Louis Gray
It was called SocialThing.
- Eric
Fred: I just don't like Facebook's service for WHAT I DO. For my wife? It's freaking awesome. And the execs there have always treated me very well (Zuckerberg walked around Davos with me, while every other journalist was drooling over the opportunity to do that -- he's a lot nicer and smarter than most people give him credit for).
- Robert Scoble
SocialThing got bought by AOL, and it wasn't as good as FF anyway. You could see people's activity, but there was no real interaction. FF is what it is because of the interaction.
- Sam Guzman
Eric & Jason: my new web thingie Grabbit, will do everything Friendfeed does and more, so much more... it's still in alpha, and the beta won't be out until next month... but already the alpha features better Facebook and integration than Friendfeed, IMHO... so, check out grabbit.net and ask to be on the beta list, and we'll keep you posted...
- Fred Davis
@Louis, I'm not going anywhere either. But this acquisition not only scared people that FF might go away but also that their data would go with it. So there is /some/ need for alternatives.
- Jason Huebel
It was called Rejaw, and it was shut down.
- Eric
Fred: can't wait to see more about Grabbit.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Hey dude, I TOTALLY agree with you about Facebook! I've been telling people for a while that I think Facebook is in the process of Yahoo-ing themselves... and that ain't no compliment!
- Fred Davis
FriendFeed family or real family?
- Mona Nomura
FF is crazy to sell. They should've sold to Google, what were they thinking?
- Eric
I think someone needs to create a web dashboard like FF, but that somehow integrates e-mail.
- Sam Guzman
louis i agree with you. i am not going anywhere either. this is the place i love and think is awesome
- (jeff)isageek
Robert, is Paul referencing his FriendFeed family or real family? (not expanding thread - too long)
- Mona Nomura
Mona: real family AND FriendFeed family. They are one and the same if you look at it the right way.
- Robert Scoble
Sam: what do you mean "intergrate email" friendfeed already has email features so it depends on what you mean...
- Chris Clayton
Same here, Jeff. If FF is still around I'm not budging. It it goes FB on us then it's bye-bye.
- Kol Tregaskes
Google Wave is like FF?
- Eric
Sam, got that in Grabbit... email, RSS, blog alerts, news alerts, and more... plus the coolest friend management stuff to help you sort all that out, not just the messages, updates, and alerts...
- Fred Davis
Mona: if you want me to do something for you, talk Maryam into it first. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Fred: Then I am really excited to try it.
- Sam Guzman
Eric: just like the others you mentioned, it has 1 or 2 similar features, but completely different!
- Chris Clayton
and twitter, facebook, friendfeed, etc., of course... we're starting a signup on grabbit.net...
- Fred Davis
I used to use FeedEachOther which was like FF.
- Eric
Chris: Like the friendfeed stream, you could login and see all your friend's activity, but also see your latest e-mails (Could be easily accessed with a sidebar link, like direct messages). By commenting on an e-mail, you could reply. Just like FF direct messages, but it would send a real e-mail response. Does that make sense?
- Sam Guzman
Now there is Google Reader.
- Eric
Google reader is improving, but still has a long way to go. On the social side.
- Bluesun 2600
That's the one thing I've always liked about FriendFeed - the founders (and staff) interacts with the community, as do their family members. The community members were treated like family, too. :) Whatever which way, hopefully Facebook will integrate FriendFeed's functions to carry on the "feel" over there as well. Personally, I have the more the merrier approach! BTW see you Thursday, Robert! Gnomedex sold out!
- Mona Nomura
I'm not up to speed with this discussion, but FB must have bought FF to merge FF tech into FB. FF for everybody, not just Scoble and tech friends.
- Zato Gibson
...would continue as independant application or as zombie inside "failbook"? ;-/
- Claude LaFrenière
Sam: i was actually looking for a way to have the subjects of my emails show up on my friendfeed dashboard awhile ago - do you mean like that? Because that would be awesome!
- Chris Clayton
i would love to see friendfeed get a killer mobile app...maybe improve on fftogo a little more
- (jeff)isageek
Google Reader is my current alternative btw. I've found the share box today and now using it like FF's share box. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Google Reader is great, but it's not built to replace FriendFeed. It's not an aggregator, for one.
- Louis Gray
one thing is I don't think you can share images from pages as easily as FF's share.
- Bluesun 2600
Life2front has anyone heard of it?
- Eric
Chris: Yes, maybe have a subject show up in your feed, and clicking would expand to reveal the full e-mail. Reply's could be generated by commenting on the e-mail. I'm sure FF won't integrate this, but I'm just throwing it out there. It's something I wish some social service would integrate. Either that, or make e-mail inboxes more social. Kind of like Yahoo e-mails new features, but better executed. How cool would it be to login to your e-mail and be greeted by a FF like social stream.
- Sam Guzman
i think you can look at two services that were bought up and never really changed all this time in flickr and delicous so hey maybe friendfeed stays around as it is...maybe just integrates a bit more or something with facebook
- (jeff)isageek
Well you can put your services into a folder then create a bundle and share it. But no not quite like FF. It lacks a lot of features and Comments view is awful.
- Kol Tregaskes
and look how long google had grand central before they really even started doing anything with it.
- (jeff)isageek
I guess what I'm saying is, don't keep e-mail so separate from the rest of your online social activity. It should be more integrated than it is now, in my opinion. Why not include it in a service like FF?
- Sam Guzman
So Friendfeed stays on as a side project instead of being abandoned. Does that really make a difference in the grand scheme of things? The service isn't going to grow by leaps and bounds either in audience or functionality now. I guess a slow death is easier for people to deal with than a quick one.
- Dare Obasanjo
Sam: i love that idea... email services dont have RSS (not that i can find anyway) i was looking for 5 hours for one afew months ago so i could put it in a private group to show up on my FF stream. but i ended up being dissapointed!
- Chris Clayton
I hope we all converge over to Google Wave and that some clever sod codes a FF-type service built on the Wave protocol. :-) GWave is great fun to use!
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol: are you going to send me a download link? :P im still waiting for it from the 'sneak peek' survey i filled out AGES ago!
- Chris Clayton
Whhhhhhat how`d you try it already?
- sofarsoShawn
Dare: there are lots of things that don't get many new features but are still very popular. FriendFeed still has way more features and is better technology than anything else I've seen in the marketplace. Maybe someone will eclipse it, but that won't happen soon and, yes, a slow death is definitely better than a quick one. Why? Cause you can make plans and change your behavior.
- Robert Scoble
Download link for GWave? Don't work like that. ;-) Just wait until 30th September, Chris. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Chris, yeah, and I think what I'm describing would take more than just RSS integration. But Kol is right, maybe Google Wave will be the answer :) I can't wait to try it! Especially if other services can be integrated like in FF.
- Sam Guzman
Kol: but september is too long to wait :( blame scoble for making me a social media addict! :)
- Chris Clayton
Hehe, it will fly by.
- Kol Tregaskes
Robert: if this is just about whether they'll shut off the servers or not then why is this even causing hubbub? Given the complaining of a vocal set of users I'm sure that even if they planned to shut off the site, it'll keep going for a while. However it seems obvious that all their innovative ideas and day time hacking should be filled with innovating on Facebook not here.
- Dare Obasanjo
As both Louis and I have said - these guys have been nothing but actions thus far and haven't let us down. I see nothing changing from that yet, so I suggest everyone continue that trust. They have done nothing to break that trust yet. And like I wrote about, Facebook needs them as much as they need Facebook - Facebook wants to change into something more of what FriendFeed is, from what I've seen and read.
- Jesse Stay
It's not about shutting the servers off for some (most?) folks, it's a matter of how you reconcile FriendFeed and Facebook's views on content licensing, ownership, and privacy; whether we'll continue to see innovation at a pace faster than what Facebook's user base has historically been comfortable with; and whether we'll see a continuation of Friendfeed's openness towards third party developers and the open source community.
- Ken Sheppardson
And as I've said over and over again, Jesse, I think most of us trust the FriendFeed folks as individuals, but that trust doesn't necessarily transfer to Facebook as an institution.
- Ken Sheppardson
I second Ken. Zuckerbergs plans/dreams are also a kind of wild-card here. They could be favorable to us FriendFeed users, or not. Up till now, Zuckerberg hasn't done much favorable for me. That sucks. I wish it were different.
- Meryn Stol
Say what you want about Facebook but Zuckerberg and/or Facebook has revolutionized the Internet by forcing people to be real. (not real-time) It even reflects on Youtube - the commenters aren't as moronic as they were say three years ago, since more and more people are using their real names and identities.
- Mona Nomura
It's always like this and it never turns out the way Paul says it will, though I believe his intentions are honorable. At some point you no longer work for the old company and you start working for the new one. My guess is this has already happened. Soon people from the old team will have their new assignments, and then one day the server will go down. They'll bring it back up, but...
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- Dave Winer
Damn, Dave. And I thought that *I* was a cynic.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva, I've been through it myself, and been in Paul's position.
- Dave Winer
Dave, I don't doubt that at all. It's just amazing from my perspective to see it put so honestly. Well put, sir.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Only when I was in Paul's position, I had a simpler situation cause we were developing shrinkwrap software and our mission was supposedly unchanged. We didn't have servers that had to be kept up 24-by-7. Even so, six months after the merger, the whole thing was turned upside down and the team had all-new priorities and tons of people had left, including the top guy (me!). I would get...
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- Dave Winer
Well put, Mona!
- Jesse Stay
Dave, I expect it to change, but I also expect that Facebook is doing this for not just the team they just acquired. I think Facebook really wants this technology.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, that may be true but they'll want it for Facebook. And if you're a fan of Facebook, that's great, Facebook's going to get better. But if you're not? If you're a a fan of FriendFeed? Then all you're going to end up with is a bastardized FriendFeed with lots of dipshit apps.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Jesse: I'm not so sure. The technology will need to be rebuilt for the Facebook infrastructure. That's one reason why Paul doesn't have good answers for us yet. He said he needs a few weeks to really dig into Facebook's code base before he even has a good idea of where he and the FriendFeed'ers can really add value.
- Robert Scoble
Akiva, I'm a fan of both. And you know you can ignore those apps - that's not something you can do on FriendFeed or Twitter. FriendFeed would have gotten just as bad as it grew.
- Jesse Stay
Dave: thinking back on why I joined FriendFeed, it was because I expected that the team would do something interesting in the future. That reason has now been fulfilled and now that these guys are at Facebook it'll be interesting to see what they do.
- Robert Scoble
Jesse, where is the button to ignore the apps? I want to ignore all of them, all the time. Instead, I have to click hide on every single bloody one of them and still get notifications from people wanting me to add apps. I'd tolerate Facebook better if there was a magic "no apps, ever" button.
- Rochelle
Somewhat selfishly, I have just gained a whole load of new friends on Fb, here and on Google Reader and have learned loads about sharing and subscribing for which I thank you all :-) I will just watch and wait now, but I do agree that if everyone dashes off somewhere else and deserts FF, it could well hasten its demise. Best to try and use all the services and interlink them if we can.
- Julia Ault
Rochelle: I want you to install the FriendFeed app. :)
- Louis Gray
I am sure that FB was not happy if FF was going into MS hands or Google hands ,they bought it and now they will be the most important live and live search player on top of the best social community,,I am happy for them and for us as well ,they will keep our home and thats great news
- Johni Fisher
Jesse, this is true. I guess my real point is—aside from the easy-as-punch Facebook app snarking—that the very philosophies on which each service was built are essentially different. I'm not saying that these divergent ideas can't be unified. I'm just not convinced that they're compatible enough to be integrated without irritating one group and overwhelming the other. I'm sure the...
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- Akiva Moskovitz
Wish I was a millionaire like him :/
- Mark
"I'm just not convinced that they're compatible enough to be integrated without irritating one group and overwhelming the other. " - very well put, Akiva.
- Meryn Stol
Akiva, who says they will become one site? Why not enable the two communities to remain separate if they want, under the Facebook brand? I don't think we know yet what will happen.
- Jesse Stay
Good news because I love friend feed in it's current format.
- Rob Cairns
Robert, yes, we don't know for sure, but then again we don't know for sure - I don't see reason to change too much of our trust until something actually happens. I do know Facebook wants to open up more, while still retaining your right to privacy. The privacy thing is something FriendFeed (or Twitter) doesn't have, and I think would be a welcome addition.
- Jesse Stay
Rochelle, you have to do it either by app, or individual (unless I've missed the option). That said, I would kill for the ability to do that on FriendFeed or Twitter. They don't even have that.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: FriendFeed doesn't have apps, so I'm not sure what exactly you're referring to; if you mean the ability to hide posts aggregated from a particular service, that's already there.
- Tristan Seligmann
Last I checked, Jesse, FriendFeed didn't have MafiaWars or Superpoke.
- Akiva Moskovitz
(If you click on "Hide", and then "hide other items like this one", you get a whole list of options)
- Tristan Seligmann
FriendFeed has a finite number of things to hide ("all items from Bob", "all Flickr posts", etc.). That's much more easy control than the thousands of apps on Facebook. It's like playing whack-a-mole over there. It feels like the more I hide, the more they appear.
- Rochelle
Akiva, Tristan, it's only a matter of time before the auto-dm apps appeared on FriendFeed. So long as FriendFeed grows, they will come. So long as it doesn't grow, it *does* disappear. There's no "hide all from the app that generated this DM" option on FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, and, with all of the hide options already present on FriendFeed, you don't think the devs would have had the presence of mind to include something similar for any supposed FriendFeed apps?
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva, I trust that they'll add that as much as I trust they'll continue to fight for FriendFeed at Facebook.
- Jesse Stay
They don't even need any extra options; you can already hide direct posts based on the application that created them. For example, if you hide this post of Robert's, you'll get the option to hide all posts by iPhone.
- Tristan Seligmann
Jesse, I think no-one doubts that *they* will fight. The question is if they win. They're just employees now.
- Meryn Stol
Again, I'm surprised that my own cynicism—legendary in its own right—is being beaten about the face and neck in this thread.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Meryn, I also know the Facebook team - they're just as competent as FriendFeed's. Their original audience started different than FF's, but they too have to expand.
- Jesse Stay
Holden: engagement.
- Robert Scoble
It's hard for innovators to stop innovating, and for entrepreneurs to lose the total freedom and self-reliance that drives them. Every entrepreneur that I know personally (only a few, alas!) who has sold for the big bucks has eventually gone on to create something else.
- Kathy Fitch
Jesse, as I said earlier, my lack of knowledge on the plans of Zuckerberg is the problem. Do you know Zuckerberg? In the end, he's gonna decide what appears on Facebook or not. Also, it's not so much a matter of competence than it is a matter of vision and taste.
- Meryn Stol
I'm sure the FB engineers are competent.
- Meryn Stol
And wouldn't it be fascinating to have a gander at the kinds of separation agreements folks who leave FB must sign? Almost as interesting as seeing the acquisition agreement in this case.
- Kathy Fitch
It's totally unclear if future conversations we might have on FB will ever be indexable by Google. (or any other search engine) That all depends on Zuckerberg's final say. I can't look in the guy's head.
- Meryn Stol
Sure seems like you're scrambling, Robert, to place yourself in the center of this when you were completely blindsided by the sale. Justs sayin'
- Mattb4rd
Louis, nope! Those are two separate worlds for me and I intend to keep it that way.
- Rochelle
Once you stop owning something you lose the ability to make promises about it. Good intentions or no. One hard headed business decision like FF is not earning its keep or we need the resources elsewhere and it's done. Been on both sides.
- Todd Hoff
The only thing that would make a real difference in this case would be an unambiguous statement from Mark Zuckerberg himself. Let him address the FF community and actually say what he will commit himself to. I suppose he's a man of his word.
- Meryn Stol
Good news. Doin' the right thing!
- Rob Schieber
Yeah sure! Promises Promises!!!
- Jose Luis Santos
Hmm. A whole lot of the sale was in stock options. Takes awhile to get fully vested. The next few years should prove very interesting.
- Kathy Fitch
How can you live up to that promises when you no longer own it?
- John D Reasor
....hmmmm, we got the wrong impression then?
- Mark Essel
Nevermind, I'd feel a helluva lot better with an unattached open social media where I could rely on keeping contacts and connections however weak for as long as I chose to continue using the service.
- Mark Essel
Actions speak louder then words, and the key is the final decision is no longer up to him. I am sure Paul means every word he says I just not sure he is going to be able to keep it.
- Kim Landwehr
I don't expect FF to go away right away. I just expect things will definitely be different. I do hope that FB does improve, but I am also branching out given the sale.
- Kevin Whalen
"Promises are a bourgeois invention and, anyway, they're meant to be broken." [V. I. Lenin quoted from inexact memory] by
- ianf ⌘
@louisgray's »If you see the post I put up last night...« <http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...> If you cared for others to read that post, you'd have included a direct link to it. It's the essence of hypertext, and any "Silicon Valley early adopter, tech geek blogger" worth the name would have done just...
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- ianf ⌘
It would make some business sense to keep FF as some kind of separate site/module, if just to stop another site taking it's place and becoming another competitor.
- Robert Littlejohn
Hi Ian! I get what you are saying, but sometimes, dropping links to my own posts in other people's threads looks like spam. I also believe a good number of people saw it, and know how to get it otherwise. That said, it's right here: http://www.louisgray.com/live...
- Louis Gray
Robert - To say Facebook is more interesting to work for than Google may be a stretch. While Facebook is growing exponentially and has challenges, Google faces HUGE challenges just staying Google ... while exploring new areas of growth. Keeping the index relevant is a big challenge in itself. On the other hand ... the 'FF guys' have worked there already and know how they feel about what direction they wanted to go ... which .. I think ... makes a little more sense?
- Charlie Anzman
Charlie: remember most of this team already worked at Google. Facebook is pre IPO. Google is not. The potential rewards are much larger at Facebook and the potential to have an impact is much larger at Facebook too.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Posting links (references) to one's other posts "looks like spam"? That's news to me, and a lame excuse. In any event, given main difference between worlds of analog and digital publishing being ability in the latter case to refer back to source in unambiguous and granular fashion (rather than, as in analog, to indicate issue, chapter, page, verse, line, etc - if at all), not including...
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- ianf ⌘
ianf, I agree, but it feels like spam when you're doing it. Encourage him nicely.
- Bruce Lewis
i suspect that, if FF were to survive relatively unchanged it will be through an open-source effort. i doubt FF will survive as a stand-alone site w/ Fb paying the freight.
- MikeAmundsen
Why don't the FF founders release an official statement saying how long the site will continue and what we can expect if we stay?
- Tomy Thomson
Keep in mind that despite the best intentions, nearly half of all sincere promises end in divorce.
- April Russo (app103)
Robert: I agree that the technology with great audiences don't get killed off, but the name of the game to the shareholders is money. It makes a ton more sense for facebook to integrate friendfeed into facebook, an already monetizable model, vs. leaving it as a de-coupled technology that has to have a new revenue model built for it.
- Erik Boles
like x1000
- Vezquex: God of FF
With so much money still on the table in the form of stock options, there's certainly plenty of motivation to make FB stellar. If FF ends up being treated well, too (for whatever reason--a promise, a warm fuzzy feeling, its potential role in helping to make FB stellar), then I'm all for that.
- Kathy Fitch
There is a way to argue keeping FF going makes sense to FB: The important thing in social software ISN'T the software, it's the people who use it. If the people who use FF are sufficiently different to those on FB, then it could make sense to keep both services. Possibly they may end up using the same software, but have different brands. Think of VW group in cars (SEAT/Skoda/VS/Audi are...
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- Nick Lothian
Interesting thread. I think that Paul has the best intention and he will do everything he can to keep the existing service up. Dave Winer has a good summary of the forces he will have to fight against. Making a Facebook vs. Google vs. Microsoft decision was probably a hard one. I am wondering if Twitter was in the race too...Twitter + Friendfeed could have been a great team to go...
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- Edwin Khodabakchian
Why the outreach now and not earlier in the week? Has something spooked the FF team? Seeing people looking for alternatives, and poking around Google Reader, Streamy, SocialThing, perhaps? Robert said it himself, if people leave here, FF dies, and the team doesn't have a whole lot to sell to FB (yeah, arguably) and that could scotch the whole deal. So I'm just wondering why the outreach now?
- Dominic Jones
ianf: don't you know, links are dead? ;)
- Tristan Seligmann
read it from the begining, I'm happy FF crew is beginning to acknowledge the questions, Dave definitely has a point, but all-in-all I thought death was near, it looks like it gets delayed for some time. The main thing is ppl are still here although reader is the new playground...unfortunately the communication with their team isn't all that good...
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Dobromir, "read [297 more comments] from the begining" is not a good advice for anything, least of all here, in the Kingdom of Perpetual Constant Fragmentary Attention Overload, where realtime fly-by comments are the rule.
- ianf ⌘
Robert, thank you for sharing this info. I hope everyone got the message clearly. Wonderful news!
- Michael Fidler
from iPhone
Ok, I hadn't time to read all the comments on this thread. But this sure sounds promising, and I do trust Robert and Louis when they're saying something. So I'm hopeful:)
- Patrik Johansson
It is not whether Friendfeed lives or dies. It's whether our free-wheeling, anarchic, community-driven approach will be replaced by the bland family-oriented guidelines of Facebook. Will we still be able to chuckle of Asian men on a beach, for example?
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
hey all, we can't return to the past, what happen has already happened, now the question is this one, may a micro community survive inside a large community, the answer is YES, FF community can and may have the same social behaviour it has here, and when move to FB, we need just to preserve our connections, and to maintain the same behaviour. that all, but even ancients tribes don't survive without scarifying some of their tradition.
- abdellah
Will Friend feed just get - morphed into Facebook now? clearly they want to take on Twitter. I noticed that I tryed to remove my Friend feed from facebook recently because less techy friends complained that I take over there Friend feeds...! But I can't... mmmm
- PRBristolco.uk
FaceFeed. Nom nom nom.
- Marlin Forbes
My goodness, there needs to be a way to search comments...I scanned to see if Paul had chimed in, but didn't see that.
- Chad Gesser
Scobe: I hope he does chime in. I think he needs to since you broke that.
- Chad Gesser
Chad: I think he'll say more after he has a little time at Facebook and can give definitive answers as to what the FriendFeed team is going to do there. He told me that will take several weeks.
- Robert Scoble
no i didnt know that
- Chris Nwakalo
if so wonderful news
- Ronald
Facebook is genuinely interested in best in class customer experience. I can't yet envision what features or practices are incorporated or left behind, but it seems a positive move for users. There is always a die-hard loyal following that doesn't want to see their Freind (feed) go away. Heck, I still record The West Wing on Bravo.
- Jeff Marmins
Yeah i sure hope so robert. . i really rather not be on facebook.
- RamirezG
Chad, to aid in scanning, you can do a Ctrl-F (or equivalent) and search the current page for "- Paul Buchheit" and/or install my user script that adds a mini avatar to the beginning of each comment http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Micah Wittman
Scoble, why do you think FriendFeed won't get sacrificed by Facebook management? Most sensible thing, to me, is to get FriendFeed integrated as a feature of Facebook, then eliminate the individual brand. Fact is, it's Facebook's decision at this point, unless the FriendFeed guys got something in writing to the contrary (which likely didn't happen). Sometimes you've got to go with your...
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- Jason Nunnelley
Jason: it doesn't really matter. I've been on Facebook all morning and they already have a lot of FriendFeed's features. Soon the rest will be moved over too. And the servers won't get turned off anytime soon, based on conversations with FriendFeed and Facebook. So, for now, use it and be happy. Me? I've already been spreading out my social networking time just in case.
- Robert Scoble
and before he disappears into a part of the web that I can't find.....how do you say his last name? Boo-Kite? Buck-heat? Really, I don't know and I wanna know. Just so I know, You know?
- Morgan Haley
The Media Bundle Is Dead, Long Live The News Aggregators - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
Roberto, Barak Hachamov and Sampad Swain liked this
FeedFace?!!?!! NOOOOOOO!!!!!! (Edit: Thanks Brian)
Hunt, Jason A. Samfield, Chris Rogers and 218 other people liked this
I wanna laugh but can't!
- vijay
come on... really?
- Andrew Smith
Feedface more likely
- Brian Sullivan
lol Feedface!
- Fee501st
Well.... FriendFeed is going to start to suck very soon >:O
- Gamerx287
:D
- zsafwan
it's facefeed
- ben bloch
Updated. :)
- Bwana ☠
:(
- FFTornado
:(
- Josh Haley
damn that pic really describes what i feel lol
- Edgar Rodríguez
Could be a good thing, just hope they don't change much.
- David Bain
I just clicked 'like' but I can definitively say that I truly 'unlike' this development.
- berchman
"Damn you Salazar!" - not sure why that quote popped into my head with this pic.
- Rob Diana
The first social site where I really feel comfortable... *sniffles*
- Yolanda
I think this is a good thing for both FriendFeed and Facebook, and bad for Twitter.
- Kirkland Reynolds
@berchman I like the "NOOOOOOOOO!!!!" ;)
- taline
Seriously, my jaw is still open
- Bwana ☠
s'cuse me, i gotta go vomit again.
- Joe Silence is not dead
still sitting here stun and confused
- Kim Landwehr
I bet the API will be taken down as well.
- David Bain
"Where does all this blood on my shirt come from...? OH NO!! I was SHOT!!!" :(
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Already named by Bwana. LOL
- Michael Fidler
the worlds cats association stages a strike over this buyout... am sooo joining it!!
- Gtp19
My reaction.exactly!
- Krishnamoorthy
That is me right now.
- Lurking Grue
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH it's a bit hard to laugh :-(
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
That's why I pulled out the cat Dobromir. We need to laugh around this :)
- Bwana ☠
OMG i just read this and am freaking out... . *gasp*
- Susan Beebe
XD I mean >___<
- Nia
ADS! here they come ! waaaaaa
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
Facefeed ... yea thats what i think its going to be :)
- Bhowmik Shah
First I was like :o then I was like :/ then I was like :(
- Jemm
Oprah, Aston and Demi! I can't wait! NOT! Bwana: You'd have got a like from me if not for the cat pic.
- Dale
Doubtful it will be good...
- Rick Cogley
Funny cat picture, tho.
- Rick Cogley
Aahahah.. that's it! I think it will be good to lunch FF to another level.
- PiresMachine
Hez took the wordz outta my mouth
- sofarsoShawn
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