Interesting article. I have to say I feel pretty similar to these guys. And how about this quote? "When we destroy God's creation, we are destroying God's revelation. It's similar to tearing a page out of the Bible." - Samuel Bostock via Bookmarklet
Apparently greater diversity of disease is correlated with greater diversity in religion - to keep different groups from interacting with each other. I wonder if they controlled for some kind of 'Western'/societal advancement type variable? - Samuel Bostock via Bookmarklet
"But if we are correct, Calvinism as an intellectual movement in the foreseeable future is a spent force." Wow. - wyclif
I'm a Lutheran, not a Calvinist, but I'm not sure that this is necessarily a bad thing. If good doctrine is being taught, what is lost if that doctrine was developed in a prior generation? - Ontario Emperor via fftogo
Well, I thought that part of his argument (revealing the new wave of anti-intellectualism in Calvinism) was that the better doctrine was progressive and a later development, not resting on the shibboleths of yore. - wyclif
interesting article, not really sure i agree with it. Should Calvism be primarily an intellectual movement? Even if you think it should be the author ignores Piper for the most part, and seems to think highly of Frame. - Samuel Bostock
"The 4th of July is a different sort of ‘Independence Day’ for me. On July 4, 1995 my multiply-disabled son entered the world and my life came crashing down around me—and would soon include a deep and intense bitterness toward God. I never denied - Samuel Bostock
"The 4th of July is a different sort of ‘Independence Day’ for me. On July 4, 1995 my multiply-disabled son entered the world and my life came crashing down around me—and would soon include a deep and intense bitterness toward God. I never denied - Samuel Bostock
i find the web interface very confusing. i use the gmail firefox extension which is pretty straight forward but it is still a chore to add all my tasks to it. - Samuel Bostock
I actually prefer the web interface. I've been able to work out a GTD-like scheme that I've been using for over a year, but lately I find myself going back to paper. There are good GTD ideas in the RTM forums if you're interested. Also, don't forget you can use it with Twitter. - Larry Huffman
On a more practical note though, being shared probably has the benefit that traffic ramps up more organically, less likely to bring down your site - Yu-Shan
The funny thing about Digg is that it always impresses me from a techincal point of view, I always find and enjoy a story I've not read before and yet I don't use it regularly. It has no addictive qualities like FriendFeed. - Toby Graham
Shared definitely. The irony of Digg is that it is a "social bookmarking" site but there are no social categories and most of the "popular" diggers slate social media. With Sharing at least you are normally getting your post seen by its target audience. - Colin Walker via fftogo
Shared. a) I never get to make it to the front page since we've been auto-buried for over a year. b) Digg is a lot of one-time, non-sticky traffic for the most part. - Cyndy
Hahahahaha.. That's hysterical! Sorry, Samuel. I'm glad you had a way out, though :) - Brad McCrorey
no worries, that's why FF is so good. it says something for the popularity of those messages that I had to block them even when they have comments or likes! - Samuel Bostock
A few weeks back I predicted that FF would overtake Twitter in users in less than one year. Compete's new June numbers are out now. Last month FF grew 33.7% while Twitter grew 5.4%. Assuming a static month over month growth rate, based on June's numbers, FF would have more users than Twitter in a little over 6 months. - Thomas Hawk via Bookmarklet
Interesting - For me, Twitter and FriendFeed still serve different purposes and that seems to be the case for a lot. So while many Twitter-ers may adopt FriendFeed - I don't see it completely surpassing it in 6 months.... - George Smith
I'm guessing the overlap in the user bases should be pretty high. So even though the rate of growth of Twitter may be much lower, i have a feeling most of the people who joined FF recently are already on Twitter. Till we have a comparable number, it may not be a completely true analysis to say people are preferring FF *over* twitter, would it? I too believe they serve different purposes and should co-exist. - Parth Awasthi
They may have different purposes but they are definitely competing for the same attention width. - Brian Sullivan
George, I agree, I have them both open right now, is that weird? - Cody Heitschmidt
Certainly FF is siphoning off some of Twitter's growth. I think though that FF is much more addictive and multifaceted than Twitter and is the stronger momentum play right now. If I were running a hedge fund (I'm not) and these were both publicly traded companies (they're not of course) I'd be tempted to short Twitter and use the money to buy long shares in FF. - Thomas Hawk
This chart also likely corresponds with the amount of Scoble's Friend Feed sticker giveaways :) - Brian Ries
Thomas - Thanks for your thoughts. When twitter has negative growth three consecutive months we will have another facet to discuss. - Russellreno
I'm with George Smith on this one. This is not an either or. These are 2 good tools and I'm sticking with both for now. BUT, with every Fail Whale I see, my doubts grow. - shelisrael1
The initial growth of FriendFeed, but if you look at the total volume of users of both services, FF has a ways to go before it's going to overtake Twitter. - Brandon Wood
when either gets to 10m users they we will have a story - David Henderson via twhirl
i see the need for both but would like to see friends collapsed as 1 set - Lee Kent
we'll know these companies have made in when all the good people have left, the comments are full of pr0n spam and your mum asks you for your username... - Barry de la Rosa
I think one of the main reasons for more adoptiong is the ability to have a tru conversation, without having to hunt for messages every few seconds. I think it would be great if they do some more features to make it easier - Shivanand Velmurugan via twhirl
comparing month on month growth rates isn't really that helpful here. obviously the doubling time for FF is going to be less than Twitter because it is starting from a smaller base. In terms of users/month Twitter has been growing faster than FF, something I expect Twitter are pretty happy with given their recent problems. - Samuel Bostock
Samuel, that's what people said last month. Since then FF's growth has only gotten stronger though while Twitter's has gotten weaker. month on month growth rates certainly are anything but accurate forecasting tools. Still, perhaps FF will eclipse Twitter's growth even *more* next month. - Thomas Hawk
I never imagined this would have this fast - Akshay Dodeja
any idea on total user #'s? Twitter's surely saturated - John Cozen
The big question in my mind is when will the FF graph flatten out? Trees don't grow to the sky and every site / service will start to plateau at some point. Either way, this will be fun to watch. - Mike Doeff
Just imagine how fast they would grow if they incorporated Facebook status and Myspace content. Right now they are siphoning from a small pond, Twitter and the microblogging networks. There is a lot more opportunity for growth if those two are brought into the fold. - Andrew Burd
I don't think it's a shock that FF growth rate is high. Twitter broke new ground. Most FFers are Twitters also -- and Twitter was probably the first mircoblog we've all used. Making the switch is easier. - Rob Williams
Everyone I know is Switching to FF from Twitter - this is real buzz I think it will overtake Twitter. - Luke Jeffrey Smith
uuhh.. is *no one* here discussing how compete.com gets it's data? vitally important.. - Barbara K. Baker
I'm seeing much less response on Twitter, and I hope it's not because I've gotten boring- I think the conversations are on FF. - Brian Carter
I definitely spend more time on FriendFeed these days than I do on Twitter, even though I have orders of magnitude more friends on Twitter. I would say there's not much competition there! - Scott Jarkoff
Doesn't really mean much as FF's growth will still be playing catchup to Twitters current capacity. - Stuart Forsyth
Its interesting to watch. But there is still the simplicity of Twitter that keeps many who have grown accustomed to a society that offers crap service as the universal standard. - Curtis Cross via twhirl
It depends which way you look at this data. I'd rather have Twitter's curve. - John McCrea
It sure is funny to watch the these bloggers push FriendFeed, like they are getting paid or something! - Thomas Capote via twhirl
JMc - Plaxo is growing faster than FF, and I have not seen any hype around Plaxo. - Russellreno
but still, i can't help but think FF is rising BECAUSE of twitter. people come here to check it out. if they stay, great. if not, they've still got the numbers. right now it's like a few months ago when everyone was talking/blogging about @twubble and other "twitter-pack" type apps and bots. i had a HUGE follower surge. same shit, different month. - Hillary Hartley
Russellreno: It's because we chose private sharing and conversations for mainstream users around circles of family, friends, etc. - John McCrea
Clearly, though, I use both services (and really like them both). As the British would say "horses for courses." (Different horses are better for different courses. - John McCrea
John - Agreed. My Plaxo invites come from friends that would not find FF useful. Just the same, when the Twitter v FF conversation comes up Plaxo isn't mentioned although it is tracking with FF. - Russellreno
I've been watching Compete's 'Velocity' tracking between FriendFeed and Twitter. It has grown exponentially. I am definitely convinced at this point that Twitter is to Friendster like FriendFeed is to Facebook. I only wish I could buy stock... - Philip Ryan Johnson
Woah: ""The first high-resolution map of the human cortical network reveals that the brain has its own version of Grand Central Station, a central hub that is structurally connected to many other parts of the brain." - Dan Kaplan
I thought that was a map of the Twitter clone relationships to each other. j/k - David Risley
how can i see a bigger version of this? - Samuel Bostock
Samuel, have been looking, but to no avail. You'd think they'd have one included with the article. Hmm. - Dan Kaplan
BBC shows all matchs live, in HD, on the internet. Often theres more than one through the interactive TV service. Who said the BBC wasn't good enough?? - Roberto Bonini
Wimbledon is a wild ride this year! They earned their spot, so don't take that away from them. Anyone know how they did in their doubles match? - Otto R. Radke
They're in the ladies' doubles semis... Play around 8 a.m. Eastern tomorrow.... Also, it's looking like a Federer/Nadal men's final that everyone was expecting anyway... - Chris Reed
My call: Serena in 3. She's won 2, Venus 4, and I've heard hints from her about not liking that particular stat, even though she's won 8 grand slams overall to Venus' 6. It's going to come down to who wants it more despite making the other sister lose. - Dean Terry
it's not like there haven't been all-Williams finals before! - Samuel Bostock
Looking forward to seeing some of this one. Most of their past Grand Slam finals matchups haven't exactly been beautiful tennis. Let's hope we do see that tomorrow. - Bryan Person
they keep on writing them off, they keep on silencing the doubters - john conroy
All that strength, power, and beauty in one final, and I have to work on Saturday morning. *curses* - Cecily Walker
@Bryan Person: I'm not sure I would call a Williams final "beautiful" tennis; powerful surely, but there is nothing beautiful about Serena's game...Venus is graceful at times...but hardly beautiful. - Snay Trivedi
too bad they didn't also have two brothers. - Ranjit Mathoda
If they did, only Williams would win tennis events.. Wimbledon would be renamed Williamsdon. - Chris Reed
Yeah ... Venus has some grace, Serena's game is ugly. Poetry shall be observed tomorrow morning, when Federer takes the court - Deepak
Author of Nothing in My Hand I Bring talks about his Catholic upbringing with some useful explanations of Catholic beliefs. - Samuel Bostock via Bookmarklet
Thank you for this. Not sure my disagreements with the Catholic Church are as vehement as Galea's, but they definitely get me thinking. Looking forward to getting a copy of this book, if I can find it domestically. - Joyce Garcia
“I'm not quite sure I "get" why people want identi.ca. I mean isn't it just a Twitter clone? Why go backwards from FriendFeed? Isn't FriendFeed already a superior communications platform? I signed up for it but I'm just not sure how I can justify spending time there when FF is vastly superior.”
I just like playing around with new stuff. Already I tend to use FriendFeed more than Twitter and I'll probably goof with identi.ca for awhile like I did with Plurk. At least I like identi.ca a LOT more than Plurk. - Akiva Moskovitz
There are two misguided notions: 1) that Identi.ca is a "federated" service out of the box (it isn't), and 2) that because it's open source, it automatically means all features anybody wants gets put back into the identi.ca service (it doesn't). It does allow you to run your own microblogging service and hack it up, if you want. Number of people who are going to do that? Very, very few. - Mark Trapp
Yeah, I get "playing around" with it. I do that with everything too. But after playing around with it it just seems like Twitter, unless I'm missing something. If I'm going to invest time in something it needs to be a step forward, not backwards. Feels like a step backwards to me from FriendFeed. - Thomas Hawk
the open sourced potential distributed hosting nature of it is whats interesting to me thomas - not a replacement for friendfeed which is conversation & discovery central for me but it could be an interesting experiment in what a short msg'g platform could be if architecturally done right - very early though - mike "glemak" dunn
It is an interesting point and brings up the question of how viable an open source FriendFeed clone would be. The primary motivation for the Twitter clones has been performance, but perhaps there would be other advantages? Just a thought. - Ray Grieselhuber
We like the concept as you can tell.. Just like twitter but not buggy!!!!!!! - JegerPhil - Phil
Actually, now that I think about it, identi.ca will never be a real player until FriendFeed starts working with it. - Akiva Moskovitz
I see no point to go backwards, of course first you have to try it if you want to compare it. http://ubervu.com/ this is what I wanna try when will be public. - dan
I signed, but will use twitter for post feed distribution and the occasional chat, but i agree that this platform is where we should spend most of our time, when we are not creating content. - Mário Pires
i keep my ff twitter free! micro-blogging belongs to twitter and co - Dieter Schwarz
I second utterz, also left a message asking to intergrate its cross posting with FF, this way we can select if we want some or all messages input to FF. - Tony C.
Damn, I wish you could "like" comments, because what Winer said here is exactly what I'm feeling, even if I'm not a developer. - Mike McCallister via NoiseRiver
I agree and I still find that I post to twitter. My network on FF is really limited and I get absolutely no feedback here. So until more people i know get on board or I become more interesting I post on Twitter and look enviously at people who can get feedback here. Either way, I've signed up for identi.ca but I'm not using it. - Jeremy Kunz via twhirl
People want all these new things because it's "trendy" to have a bajillion social networking tools. I have trouble keeping up with the ones I have, but then that's the product of a 9+ hour workday coupled with a 3+ hour round trip commute and finding time to spend with the family. - jerry
Great dialog Thomas. Think most of us would agree that FF and Twitter are essentially two different avenues and that if a SOLID replacement to Twitter came along (with an importer) before they fix it .... could (will) see an exodus of a lot of users. - Charlie Anzman
Amen to that! FF is a winner, hands down in my opinion! - Jason C.
Hi Thomas. You make me wonder where are Pownce, Twine, and the whole. of course it's definitely the triumph of less is more: less functions, more community, that's why we're still twitting - - Alberto D'Ottavi
FF will be the clear winner of this all when it gains SMS functionality - Glenn Batuyong via twhirl
I second Glenn Batuyong, SMS support is really a selling point for twitter IMO - Jeremy Kunz via twhirl
@Glenn that would be a great feature! - Joe Dawson
twitter (when it works) is still better at being distributed and easy to understand - Samuel Bostock
What's great about Indenti.ca is that IT IS a Twitter clone. No need to make it "fancier" or "Feature-packed", and what was great about Twitter is that it did ONE thing well (when it's available). FF is only useful for people like you, Winer and Scoble who have followers commenting on YOUR posts. For me, with 0 followers, I rely on my "friends" timeline to read what you guys are writing, and there's WAY too much noise. Especially the most annoying feature the "friend of a friend" posts. - Terry
Of course, I just realized you hit "hide", then "see more options...", then "hide all friends-of-friends". That's a big fail in my book. - Terry
Terry (and everyone else pissed off about noise), protip: if you don't like noise, don't start using a service only following A-listers. Those people are interacting with hundreds to thousands of people, and will introduce you to a huge amount of noise, even on Twitter. If you can't find people to follow that aren't A-listers, maybe being on that service isn't the best thing for you at this time. You can't have your cake and eat it, too. - Mark Trapp
The stole the whole thing from Zobzee.com anyway. - Jim Kukral via twhirl
You know if they were an EXACT clone of Twitter (minus the downtime) I think they'd do very well. - Leo Laporte
It's just another tube that feeds into FriendFeed, to me. - Josh Bancroft
their IM works, me and another were having a convo through indenti.ca with IM which i miss with twitter. i just like playing around with new things as well, that and "reserve" my username on the new launches, just in case. - Chris Harris
@Leo Yeah, They just have to do all the same features, and then we will just need a skin on it that makes it look 'exactly' like Twitter. Fail-Whale and everything :P Honestly, I've kinda moved away from the conversation on Twitter and Identi.ca. I mainly post on it with Ping.fm, but I don't really look at replies that much until I get a app. I don't know why, but I really just need something that will Pop Up, tell me what happened, then fade into the background. Browser won't do that - Chacha
Mark, I'm one of those very very few people then. Already talking to a developer about adding identi.ca's platform to The China Business Network's re-launch. Let the hacking for niche communities begin. :) - Christine Lu
Christine, don't get me wrong: that's really, really cool. And I'm sure there are going to be others like you that find uses for laconi.ca. There's this notion that open source = perfect software, and it's really being pushed today and yesterday with identi.ca. It's not a game changer. The "it has potential" argument only goes so far. Many, many, many projects have potential. It's what an enterprising person or group of people do with it that matters. - Mark Trapp
hopefully as identi.ca comes along they will become more feature rich and faster. I for one like their support of open standards. And the fact that they are hosted outside the U.S. and thus perhaps subject different laws - Freemor
I couldn't agree more. Why have a new service that is just a clone of another? Unless identi.ca can do something that Twitter can't, then thanks but no thanks. - Brandon Wood
@Mark Trapp I totally understand about the A-lister noise, but up to certain point I LIKE the noise. I don't really care that one of my friends is about to take his dog for a walk, but I AM interested in Dave Winer's thoughts on whatever-new web app. Twitter for me is the perfect blend of quasi-feedreader and cult of personality. FF seems to be "everything that everyone's doing everywhere and sometimes more than once". Plus, I like the @ reply system. - Terry
@leo, but it won't work; also friendfeed I think is more prone to take over a huge chunk of say what facebook does, rather than a huge chunk of what twitter/etc does. you still need the pipes to feed into the main. I'd also add that a more dynamic/distributed way to have a microblogging like community flow between IRC style chats and twitter like status blogging, so sort of the way to go... - tycho garen
Let me just say, for once, I am enjoying my FriendFeed experience. Maybe it's all about participation. On Twitter, I can just read what others are saying and make an occasional stupid post... but here, it seems more enjoyable if you're actually INVOLVED in the conversation. - Terry
Looked at Indenti.ca and could say, for the moment, it wasn't my thing. Besides, it's all I can do to stay current on FF and Twitter (when I actually go to twitter, which hasn't been for the past few days). - Les
SMS support isn't important to me. I prefer managing my interaction with a microblogging site myself rather than be interrupted. For me, and I may be unique here as a photographer, photos are also extremely important. That's why I liked Pownce a lot more than Twitter when it came out. But FF has them all beat hands down, so I'm still not sure why I'd invest time in something like identi.ca now. - Thomas Hawk
I would have to agree with you on identi.ca. If twitter has this many problems already, would identi have the same issues as well. I really like FF much better then twitter or identi. - Jeff Chilton
I'm with Thomas Hawk on SMS, too. I can just open up IE on my WM5 phone and hit Twitter or FriendFeed just fine. - DeathByNinja
"open sourced potential distributed hosting nature," that sounds cool and all but it reminds me too much of stuff like OpenID or Ubuntu, or whatever it's called. Sounds really good but wayyyy too geeky to ever get broader adoption which is what makes a community site work best. FF has the traction at this point and a nucleus of interesting people sourcing interesting content filtered through social interactivity. Beats anything else out there at present. - Thomas Hawk
I hope that things like this with their mobile extensions will see the end of the rip off that is SMS. - John Cooper
I'm finding FF/Twitter great, but am exploring identi.ca - Chris
It could be that folks are just looking (desperately) for something that will be more stable than Twitter, while having all the interesting people on it. - Randy Hall
@leolaporte said it all. I get all of the luminaries tallkng to me in real time, and that reaks of awesome. AIR might just be the killer app of the year. - Adam Garrett via twhirl
Right now, Indenti.ca is Twitter, minus a bunch of things. Comparing Twitter and FriendFeed has always been an apple and oranges comparison anyway—one isn't better than the other, since they do different things. Twitter is essentially in beta right now; things should get interesting when Twitter is completely back with XMPP, track, etc. - Albert Willis
@thomas Hawk and @deathbyninja Being someone with an unlimited data plan, I have to say that the usefulness of SMS should not be overlooked. Not everyone has unlimited data, and in some cases, that data is a walked garden (like T-Zones). Plus not everyone has a smartphone, and in some cases, it's just easier to slam out a text message (especially when in an area with crappy data coverage). I find myself jumping between mobile web, Twibble, and SMS (most often the latter two). Any service that lacks a mobile application or SMS tends to see less use by me (see Pownce, FriendFeed seems to be the exception though). - Ivan via fftogo
@Thomas Yes, I agree "open source, decentralized" sounds very geeky, but all that techie talk will be TRANSPARENT for ALL users once it all just works! http://is.gd/LlY - Hao Chen
i agree. Fun to try different systems! - Harry Myhre
It's the fact that it's open source is what is most alluring, to me. - possible248 via NoiseRiver
Most people just went to plant their flag, get their name, just in case ;-) - Stuart Forsyth
Honestly, I found it just as slow as Twitter and missing in features. I know, I know - it's open source and features can be easily added. But really, most of my closest friends aren't leaving Twitter and most of my techie friends are on FF. Everyone segregated themselves for me. I reserved my user names at identi.ca, just like I did at Plurk, but that was the extent of it for me. - Michelle Lentz
Having the ability to post media messages like utterz would be a nice addition to FF. - Tim FitzGerald
". . . patterns by which people shop online are essentially the same as the ones from offline." - Larry Huffman via Bookmarklet
patterns by which people shop are quite similar, but long tail def has lots of merit, it's just in the phrasing. blogging, which the article says promoted long tail theory is an example of long tail type stuff itself. - Samuel Bostock
a really helpful paper that positions the place of ID in science and philo/theology quite nicely I think, and poses some statements for debate - Samuel Bostock
a really helpful paper that positions the place of ID in science and philo/theology quite nicely I think, and poses some statements for debate - Samuel Bostock