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Interesting article. I have to say I feel pretty similar to these guys. And how about this quote? "When we destroy God's creation, we are destroying God's revelation. It's similar to tearing a page out of the Bible." - Samuel Bostock via Bookmarklet
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some pretty interesting/rediculous research - Samuel Bostock
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Apparently greater diversity of disease is correlated with greater diversity in religion - to keep different groups from interacting with each other. I wonder if they controlled for some kind of 'Western'/societal advancement type variable? - Samuel Bostock via Bookmarklet
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A church tries to live out the Levitical law for a month - Samuel Bostock
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July 25 at 3:42 am - Link
social MEDIA relationships have no limit :) - Luigi Centenaro
Nice idea. Though when you hit the limit, you would end up having to chose who to kick from your list. Unless that kicking were automated. Which brings us back to the original problem that defining such relationships in the first place often adds more worry than an auto-triggered-by-your-everyday-actions kind of approach (which does have its own world of problems, admittedly...). - Philipp Lenssen
Did they meet Scoble? - Steve Rubel
Tag+Rate>set strike out limit/Filter/reduce/visible tags+but hopefully soon lists fold/collapse>file view../ Tag/Rinse repeat. This will come in handy also for Stephen Colbert when he joins his Thetruthiness room;-D, and I bet for you too Paul/FF Co, for the wood for the trees it may need a nice hot air balloon/or summat like a hand held mini helicopter which runs on its own propulsion! filter etc, Anyways a bit of Friendfood for the road, speaking of which its tummytime!:-P - Jason Brooks
The number of relationships one can maintain is clearly limited but the number of information sources one can process is far greater. I suspect most of the Twitter/FF/other social media friends are much more like RSS feeds than relationships. - timepilot
I seem to remember reading some research that theorised that the maximum size community/relationship we can maintain is limited at around 200 people. I'm trying to find where I read it now... *edit*: hah-nevermind, clicking on your link showed me exactly the research i was citing. - David Adam
Social media apps need multiple friend "TYPES", i.e. family, real-life friends, colleagues, online friends / acquaintances, and business contacts. This way you could have multiple groups of friends. I can dream... oh, wait Facebook already has this - they have groups with permission controls - and yes I really use that set of features!! I love that! - Susan Beebe
Dunbar's number is usually taken to be the maximal size of a cohesive group, not the maximal number of relationships one person can maintain. Some sources (including the Wikipedia article) confuse the two. It's an interesting question how the social sites would change with a friend limit. A room size limit on FriendFeed would also be an interesting experiment. - Michael Nielsen
Limiting Twitter friend count to 140 would drive slackers to other micro-blogging platforms. ;-) No really, we have (an growing number of) tools to filter relevant content from much greater number of users. - Nenad Nikolic via twhirl
Let us also not lose sight of the fact that, all other things being equal, the human organism is an engine of adaptation. I don't have a background in neurobiology or in developmental psychology, to say nothing of anthropology, but it's hardly dizzying leap to imagine that the emergence and subsequent evolution of the human mind was (and is) an exercise in testing and overreaching boundaries...[to be continued] - Derrick Burns
[continued]...which is to say: humbug. The internet with its shiny social media toys is nothing more or less than a novel environment, with its attendant resource distributions, evolutionary pressures, and selection mechanisms. What I think we'll find is that those pressures and mechanisms will affect us not only intellectually, but, over time, physiologically as well. Have 140 friends, or 1400. Whether for the better there's no way to say, but we will adapt. It's what we're best at. - Derrick Burns
150 relationships to maintain, sure: but isn't the old mantra of if you aren't building your network, you're doing it wrong also true? You may only really interact on a regular basis with 150 people, but if you only choose to subscribe to or friend 150 people, you'll never find out about new people or new ideas. Maybe subscriber 151 and higher are people trying out for slots 1 through 150: oh dear, did MySpace have it right with their top friends list? - Mark Trapp
I wonder how much that limit may be changing, though. It seems like we interact with more and more people all the time. - Christopher Granade
If you assume that the sole purpose of Twitter ought to be to the maintenance of social relationships then this might make sense. If on the other hand you look at Twitter as partially being about maintaining social relationships but also partially about getting fast breaking news early, meeting new friends, forming new social relationships, being informed about interesting subjects by fringe connections, broadcasting your own social media, etc. then the 140 limit becomes a significant barrier to use. - Thomas Hawk
depends on the degree of reciprocity. I can be a follower to many (with the right tools), maintain a sense of their identities (sometimes aided by good UI), and have only rare interactions with them that, while ephemeral, can be rich, useful, and/or meaningful. I think the new forms of asymmetric friending/following and the tools for interfacing among these folks change the rules. What is a "social relationship" in 2008? What is the cognitive overhead to "maintain" it? - tonx
LiveJournal did this for a while. People just got multiple journals and X-posted between them. An online friend isn't always the same thing as a real friend. - Jonathan Tang
What is better needed is an actual way to filter the significance of a large pool of social relationships from strangers to closest friend. The answer here is relatively simple and straightforward. Allow users to use a 10 point rating system for every contact with 5 being a default. By incorporating this rating data into future systems of rank, relevancy and eventually search it would be more powerful than anything that exists in social media today. - Thomas Hawk
There was an argument a while back that Free Twitter should be limited to say 150 followed, more should be paid for as that is increasingly the realm of pro-sumerdom. That would also allow us to discover the marginal value of online friendship. - Broadstuff
I don't think we have much in common with the villages, tribes, and other organizations that Dunbar was studying. All of the groups he studied had a common interest in cohesion as a unit as a means for survival. I'm not convinced that many of us view our social network interactions as "necessary" (at least, I don't see it that way). - Jason Wehmhoener
Dunbar's number is the reason I prefer to work for companies with fewer than 150 people. - Ginger Makela
If you can and want to keep up with 150 people then you will. Some of them will fade in and out of your social circle, effectively giving you many times that number if needed, but only around 150 at a time. (In your head that is.) - xero
The Dunbar number was arrived at by studying primates picking fleas off each other, not tribal humans ;) - Broadstuff
=Derrick, =timepilot. Also, note that even though we know about Dunbar's number, no one imposes an actual limit of 140 real-life friends. - j1m
I'm not sure that the people I have on my FriendFeed are what I would term "friends" or even "associates." They are contacts whose opinions I value, but if I don't hear from them in a while, it's not like I go out of my way to get back in touch. Same with some twitter folks...?? - Justin Long
agree with susan beebe. need to be able to group and prioritize friends. tweetdeck is starting to get at this - rob zand
The issue largely is that fringe contacts and even strangers produce valuable information even if infrequently. But by subscribing to large numbers in order to best get the chance of getting this information you also have to manage noise. Hide helps here. But fundamentally there are top contacts that are more important to you than strangers. By allowing users to rate these contacts as 10s and strangers as 1s you get the best of both under a new category of daily information based on personal relevancy. - Thomas Hawk
As Seth Godin always says it's not how many but who that's important - Jeremy Campbell via twhirl
We deliberately made the UI limiting within 30Boxes so that you would only try to keep up with 2-10 people (ostensibly those that matter most and impact your scheduling and decision making)... - Narendra
Thomas, I agree with your thinking completely. But in theory I can stay under the Dunbar's number here on FriendFeed (I am currently, and I hope to keep it that way) and still get the best of all worlds and the most valuable info so long as a few of the people I am subscribing to uber aggregate like you and Scoble. - Robert Seidman
Robert, even subscribing to the uber aggregaters though you miss a lot. Do a search for a term that you're interested in more broadly on FF and you'll find people you aren't subscribed to that are sharing interesting content that the uber aggregaters might miss. A system that allowed you to rate your higher priority contacts while still including the occasional quality content producer could produce the pinnacle of personal relevancy. - Thomas Hawk
Why does everyone try to define social software by just "friends?" That really sucks. People online are NOT my "friends." They are people I want in my social network. I have more than 8,000 business cards. Are you going to tell me that I haven't met 8,000 people and that I don't need to find a way to keep 8,000 in my rolodex? I would NEVER use such a software. Facebook limits me to 5,000 which makes it far less useful for business purposes than if it didn't have those limits. That said, I'm sure... - Robert Scoble
...that there is a market for such a limiting service. It might even be very popular. But then lots of stupid things are popular on the Internet. - Robert Scoble
140 chars limit instead of duct tape on Scoble's mouth ;) - silpol
This assumes a lot. Like that Twitter can count. - XDpaul
Paul this limit was invented by the famous 150 number in a time when society worked completly different. This is like saying "because a hundred years ago a person would read 10 books in their lifetime and could not grasp more, how about we limit it to the same number today?". People just need to learn what works for them, how _they_ are comfortable using these systems and then apply it. - Nicole Simon
Thomas,Even at 140 people I had to utilize a lot of the hide always functionality to make things manageable, and that was with a lot of time to screw around with it. Using "search everyone" to follow topics of interests works very well for me as is, and they could retool the "Best Of" some to surface the best stuff across wider areas. There are perhaps a lot of ways to achieve being the pinnacle of personal relevancy but none of them are easy :-) Still, I'd love to see it achieved. - Robert Seidman
Twitter's 140-character limit wasn't arbitrary, it worked well with SMS making it useful on the go. Is there some specific thing that having only 10 friends would help you with? - ⓞnor
Here's the problem with "best of" today. Everyone's "best of" ought to be influenced by personal relationships. If my wife posts something with 3 comments and 3 likes this is more personally relevant to me than a thread about what music people are listening to with 30 comments and 30 likes. By weighting my higher value contacts you ensure that my wife's post is seen in my personal "best of" daily stream even if it pushes out the overall higher ranked thread on music. - Thomas Hawk
perhaps a better system would be 10 friends and 100 people you know then unlimited follow relationships. You could even automate the promotion of people from follow to know. Then weight the best of pages with this info. - John Cooper via fftogo
Dunbar's 150 limit theory is a group theory, not and individual theory. A group is pretty united at that number, but if it passes the 150 limit "people start becoming strangers to each other". But an individual can handle way more interactions. I mean, it all depends on how you view "friendship". If you believe that intimacy is a must to consider people friends, than your # will be low. - Jay Cruz
I think that would be an interesting experiment. And I'm sure it would have avoided some of the scale issues they hit. - Dave Winer
Jason realized that his limit was 750 .. (but why email?) - Vishwajith
aren't all relationships social? - Jeremy Toeman
It is surprising that there's not more implementation of XFN across social web apps; as imperfect as it is, it certainly adds much-needed value to the "friend" paradigm. - mabisa
Implementation of XFN or FOAF? "That's the wonderful thing about standards-- there's so many to choose from!" Of course, with so many services implementing APIs nowadays, it's not unreasonable that someone could use Google AppEngine or similar to create XFN from pre-existing services. Such tools may spur more services to start directly implementing XFN. - Christopher Granade
that's a really cool idea...maybe I'll stop at 140 on identica and see what happens! - Sarah Perez
a limit on number of relationships has merit. hard to say what value of N should be. I am positive that tens of thousands is the WRONG answer. people with very high numbers use Twitter et.al as a publishing platform. - ron k jeffries
If you want to pass from theory to practice, let me recommend you the book "Knowledge Management Strategies: A Handbook of Applied Technologies", which has a chapter called "Implementing Communities of Practice to Manage Knowledge and Drive Innovation"... I also have here a paper called "Distributed Consolidation: Identity, Reputation, and the Prospects for Online Social Interaction", written this year, but I didn't read it yet. - Marcos Marado
Thomas, on filtering: why not be able to dynamically identify score by staring individual posts, like slashdot and plurk do - if I star a post, I give you a certain number of points; if I star a comment on a post, I give you a certain (but possibly lesser) number of points; and be able to give perhaps multiple stars to indicate significance; two kinds of negative stars: "don't show me this" or "block user" so the system can learn. Then people can aggregate points over time, too... - Justin Long
I would like some kind of Top Friends or Best Friends layer in both FriendFeed and Twitter. It can be anon or fully socialized. - Elliott Ng
I like the idea of limited friends. What if you start with a fixed number, lets say 25, and once certain criteria are fulfilled (activity, no. of posts, etc.) you are allowed more... - Bastian
I've just finished reading Malcolm Gladwell's "The Tipping Point". Very interesting and inspiring. - Niv
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Review of the novel Netherland by Joseph O'Neill - Samuel Bostock
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Review of the novel Netherland by Joseph O'Neill - Samuel Bostock
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"But if we are correct, Calvinism as an intellectual movement in the foreseeable future is a spent force." Wow. - wyclif
I'm a Lutheran, not a Calvinist, but I'm not sure that this is necessarily a bad thing. If good doctrine is being taught, what is lost if that doctrine was developed in a prior generation? - Ontario Emperor via fftogo
Well, I thought that part of his argument (revealing the new wave of anti-intellectualism in Calvinism) was that the better doctrine was progressive and a later development, not resting on the shibboleths of yore. - wyclif
interesting article, not really sure i agree with it. Should Calvism be primarily an intellectual movement? Even if you think it should be the author ignores Piper for the most part, and seems to think highly of Frame. - Samuel Bostock
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"The 4th of July is a different sort of ‘Independence Day’ for me. On July 4, 1995 my multiply-disabled son entered the world and my life came crashing down around me—and would soon include a deep and intense bitterness toward God. I never denied - Samuel Bostock
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"The 4th of July is a different sort of ‘Independence Day’ for me. On July 4, 1995 my multiply-disabled son entered the world and my life came crashing down around me—and would soon include a deep and intense bitterness toward God. I never denied - Samuel Bostock
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Common Grounds Online: Corey Widmer, Committing to Community: Church Hill in Richmond, VA
July 9 at 4:09 pm - via Bookmarklet - Link
"Perkins’ conviction was that the blighted inner city would be renewed most effectively not by churches lofting in money and mission trips from the suburbs, but by Christians relocating into urban communities to be good neighbors and share in the plight of the poor as their own. A group of us committed to pray and explore whether we might one day do this together. Six years later, we saw our dream materialize in a part of inner city Richmond, VA called Church Hill." - Larry Huffman via Bookmarklet
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Both, I think... - Hakan Dahlstrom
Isn't Digg dead yet? - Pat Hawks
shared - Hakim
Shared. Digg is dead. Long live Digg :-) - Roberto Bonini
How about Like'd - Yu-Shan
On a more practical note though, being shared probably has the benefit that traffic ramps up more organically, less likely to bring down your site - Yu-Shan
The funny thing about Digg is that it always impresses me from a techincal point of view, I always find and enjoy a story I've not read before and yet I don't use it regularly. It has no addictive qualities like FriendFeed. - Toby Graham
Shared definitely. The irony of Digg is that it is a "social bookmarking" site but there are no social categories and most of the "popular" diggers slate social media. With Sharing at least you are normally getting your post seen by its target audience. - Colin Walker via fftogo
Shared. a) I never get to make it to the front page since we've been auto-buried for over a year. b) Digg is a lot of one-time, non-sticky traffic for the most part. - Cyndy
shared - not a big digg user - Ron Emrick via Alert Thingy
shared, i don't use digg either, and neither do a lot of the people who i would like to see my content - Samuel Bostock
I would prefer it to be shared. Digg just gives one time traffic...and basically digg is not suitable for all niches - Saad Kamal
eh, neither. Just commented on. I write to learn, not to be famous. - Vincent van Wylick via fftogo
Dugg or Shared or.... Liked? - Tim Connors
Why is "ignored" not an option? - Slippy Lane
Both. - xero
As long as they are brought into FF, it doesn't matter - Bryan Clark
Shareing an item here is a s good as digging it. Duplicate items appearing here clog up the system. So as long as it ends up here. - Roberto Bonini
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July 9 at 3:21 am - Link
I actually hid them! - Samuel Bostock
Hahahahaha.. That's hysterical! Sorry, Samuel. I'm glad you had a way out, though :) - Brad McCrorey
no worries, that's why FF is so good. it says something for the popularity of those messages that I had to block them even when they have comments or likes! - Samuel Bostock
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FriendFeed's Growth Rate Continues to Eclipse Twitter
July 8 at 11:39 am - via Bookmarklet - Link
A few weeks back I predicted that FF would overtake Twitter in users in less than one year. Compete's new June numbers are out now. Last month FF grew 33.7% while Twitter grew 5.4%. Assuming a static month over month growth rate, based on June's numbers, FF would have more users than Twitter in a little over 6 months. - Thomas Hawk via Bookmarklet
Interesting - For me, Twitter and FriendFeed still serve different purposes and that seems to be the case for a lot. So while many Twitter-ers may adopt FriendFeed - I don't see it completely surpassing it in 6 months.... - George Smith
Awesome. Keep watching this space. - Hao Chen
I'm guessing the overlap in the user bases should be pretty high. So even though the rate of growth of Twitter may be much lower, i have a feeling most of the people who joined FF recently are already on Twitter. Till we have a comparable number, it may not be a completely true analysis to say people are preferring FF *over* twitter, would it? I too believe they serve different purposes and should co-exist. - Parth Awasthi
They may have different purposes but they are definitely competing for the same attention width. - Brian Sullivan
George, I agree, I have them both open right now, is that weird? - Cody Heitschmidt
Certainly FF is siphoning off some of Twitter's growth. I think though that FF is much more addictive and multifaceted than Twitter and is the stronger momentum play right now. If I were running a hedge fund (I'm not) and these were both publicly traded companies (they're not of course) I'd be tempted to short Twitter and use the money to buy long shares in FF. - Thomas Hawk
This chart also likely corresponds with the amount of Scoble's Friend Feed sticker giveaways :) - Brian Ries
Thomas - Thanks for your thoughts. When twitter has negative growth three consecutive months we will have another facet to discuss. - Russellreno
I'm with George Smith on this one. This is not an either or. These are 2 good tools and I'm sticking with both for now. BUT, with every Fail Whale I see, my doubts grow. - shelisrael1
The initial growth of FriendFeed, but if you look at the total volume of users of both services, FF has a ways to go before it's going to overtake Twitter. - Brandon Wood
when either gets to 10m users they we will have a story - David Henderson via twhirl
i see the need for both but would like to see friends collapsed as 1 set - Lee Kent
we'll know these companies have made in when all the good people have left, the comments are full of pr0n spam and your mum asks you for your username... - Barry de la Rosa
I think one of the main reasons for more adoptiong is the ability to have a tru conversation, without having to hunt for messages every few seconds. I think it would be great if they do some more features to make it easier - Shivanand Velmurugan via twhirl
comparing month on month growth rates isn't really that helpful here. obviously the doubling time for FF is going to be less than Twitter because it is starting from a smaller base. In terms of users/month Twitter has been growing faster than FF, something I expect Twitter are pretty happy with given their recent problems. - Samuel Bostock
Samuel, that's what people said last month. Since then FF's growth has only gotten stronger though while Twitter's has gotten weaker. month on month growth rates certainly are anything but accurate forecasting tools. Still, perhaps FF will eclipse Twitter's growth even *more* next month. - Thomas Hawk
I never imagined this would have this fast - Akshay Dodeja
any idea on total user #'s? Twitter's surely saturated - John Cozen
The big question in my mind is when will the FF graph flatten out? Trees don't grow to the sky and every site / service will start to plateau at some point. Either way, this will be fun to watch. - Mike Doeff
Just imagine how fast they would grow if they incorporated Facebook status and Myspace content. Right now they are siphoning from a small pond, Twitter and the microblogging networks. There is a lot more opportunity for growth if those two are brought into the fold. - Andrew Burd
I don't think it's a shock that FF growth rate is high. Twitter broke new ground. Most FFers are Twitters also -- and Twitter was probably the first mircoblog we've all used. Making the switch is easier. - Rob Williams
Everyone I know is Switching to FF from Twitter - this is real buzz I think it will overtake Twitter. - Luke Jeffrey Smith
uuhh.. is *no one* here discussing how compete.com gets it's data? vitally important.. - Barbara K. Baker
I'm seeing much less response on Twitter, and I hope it's not because I've gotten boring- I think the conversations are on FF. - Brian Carter
I definitely spend more time on FriendFeed these days than I do on Twitter, even though I have orders of magnitude more friends on Twitter. I would say there's not much competition there! - Scott Jarkoff
Doesn't really mean much as FF's growth will still be playing catchup to Twitters current capacity. - Stuart Forsyth
Its interesting to watch. But there is still the simplicity of Twitter that keeps many who have grown accustomed to a society that offers crap service as the universal standard. - Curtis Cross via twhirl
It depends which way you look at this data. I'd rather have Twitter's curve. - John McCrea
It sure is funny to watch the these bloggers push FriendFeed, like they are getting paid or something! - Thomas Capote via twhirl
It looks like social media aggregation is a major rising tide. Check out Plaxo Pulse vs. FriendFeed. Remarkably similar slopes. http://siteanalytics.compete.c... - John McCrea
JMc - Plaxo is growing faster than FF, and I have not seen any hype around Plaxo. - Russellreno
but still, i can't help but think FF is rising BECAUSE of twitter. people come here to check it out. if they stay, great. if not, they've still got the numbers. right now it's like a few months ago when everyone was talking/blogging about @twubble and other "twitter-pack" type apps and bots. i had a HUGE follower surge. same shit, different month. - Hillary Hartley
Russellreno: It's because we chose private sharing and conversations for mainstream users around circles of family, friends, etc. - John McCrea
Clearly, though, I use both services (and really like them both). As the British would say "horses for courses." (Different horses are better for different courses. - John McCrea
John - Agreed. My Plaxo invites come from friends that would not find FF useful. Just the same, when the Twitter v FF conversation comes up Plaxo isn't mentioned although it is tracking with FF. - Russellreno
I've been watching Compete's 'Velocity' tracking between FriendFeed and Twitter. It has grown exponentially. I am definitely convinced at this point that Twitter is to Friendster like FriendFeed is to Facebook. I only wish I could buy stock... - Philip Ryan Johnson
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First Detailed Map of the Human Cortex
July 7 at 2:13 pm - via Reshare - Link
Woah: ""The first high-resolution map of the human cortical network reveals that the brain has its own version of Grand Central Station, a central hub that is structurally connected to many other parts of the brain." - Dan Kaplan
I thought that was a map of the Twitter clone relationships to each other. j/k - David Risley
how can i see a bigger version of this? - Samuel Bostock
Samuel, have been looking, but to no avail. You'd think they'd have one included with the article. Hmm. - Dan Kaplan
I found the orginal paper - happily on the open-access Public Libary of Science - and shared the link here: http://friendfeed.com/e/4eaa0b... - Samuel Bostock
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PLoS Biology - Mapping the Structural Core of Human Cerebral Cortex
July 7 at 3:40 pm - via Bookmarklet - Link
The 'connectivity backbone' of Participant A's brain - Samuel Bostock via Bookmarklet
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An All-Williams Wimbledon Final - NYTimes.com
July 3 at 12:33 pm - via Bookmarklet - Link
Wow - can you say ratings???? - Steve Rubel via Bookmarklet
Well said Steve. - Nicholas Kreidberg
Which one will give up first and "take a dive"? I am betting on Serena. - Globecode
Couldn't belive NBC had today's matches on time delay; lost all interest and stopped watching. - Snay Trivedi
NBC = FAIL for not showing those matches live - Mike Doeff
i bet david stern had something to do with this - Cee Bee
It's Serena's turn.... - Chris Reed
BBC shows all matchs live, in HD, on the internet. Often theres more than one through the interactive TV service. Who said the BBC wasn't good enough?? - Roberto Bonini
Wimbledon is a wild ride this year! They earned their spot, so don't take that away from them. Anyone know how they did in their doubles match? - Otto R. Radke
They're in the ladies' doubles semis... Play around 8 a.m. Eastern tomorrow.... Also, it's looking like a Federer/Nadal men's final that everyone was expecting anyway... - Chris Reed
My call: Serena in 3. She's won 2, Venus 4, and I've heard hints from her about not liking that particular stat, even though she's won 8 grand slams overall to Venus' 6. It's going to come down to who wants it more despite making the other sister lose. - Dean Terry
it's not like there haven't been all-Williams finals before! - Samuel Bostock
Looking forward to seeing some of this one. Most of their past Grand Slam finals matchups haven't exactly been beautiful tennis. Let's hope we do see that tomorrow. - Bryan Person
they keep on writing them off, they keep on silencing the doubters - john conroy
All that strength, power, and beauty in one final, and I have to work on Saturday morning. *curses* - Cecily Walker
@Bryan Person: I'm not sure I would call a Williams final "beautiful" tennis; powerful surely, but there is nothing beautiful about Serena's game...Venus is graceful at times...but hardly beautiful. - Snay Trivedi
too bad they didn't also have two brothers. - Ranjit Mathoda
If they did, only Williams would win tennis events.. Wimbledon would be renamed Williamsdon. - Chris Reed
Yeah ... Venus has some grace, Serena's game is ugly. Poetry shall be observed tomorrow morning, when Federer takes the court - Deepak
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Samuel Bostock posted a link
July 3 at 3:29 pm - via Bookmarklet - Link
Author of Nothing in My Hand I Bring talks about his Catholic upbringing with some useful explanations of Catholic beliefs. - Samuel Bostock via Bookmarklet
Thank you for this. Not sure my disagreements with the Catholic Church are as vehement as Galea's, but they definitely get me thinking. Looking forward to getting a copy of this book, if I can find it domestically. - Joyce Garcia
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Thomas Hawk posted a message
July 3 at 7:25 am - Link
I just like playing around with new stuff. Already I tend to use FriendFeed more than Twitter and I'll probably goof with identi.ca for awhile like I did with Plurk. At least I like identi.ca a LOT more than Plurk. - Akiva Moskovitz
There are two misguided notions: 1) that Identi.ca is a "federated" service out of the box (it isn't), and 2) that because it's open source, it automatically means all features anybody wants gets put back into the identi.ca service (it doesn't). It does allow you to run your own microblogging service and hack it up, if you want. Number of people who are going to do that? Very, very few. - Mark Trapp
Yeah, I get "playing around" with it. I do that with everything too. But after playing around with it it just seems like Twitter, unless I'm missing something. If I'm going to invest time in something it needs to be a step forward, not backwards. Feels like a step backwards to me from FriendFeed. - Thomas Hawk
the open sourced potential distributed hosting nature of it is whats interesting to me thomas - not a replacement for friendfeed which is conversation & discovery central for me but it could be an interesting experiment in what a short msg'g platform could be if architecturally done right - very early though - mike "glemak" dunn
It is an interesting point and brings up the question of how viable an open source FriendFeed clone would be. The primary motivation for the Twitter clones has been performance, but perhaps there would be other advantages? Just a thought. - Ray Grieselhuber
We like the concept as you can tell.. Just like twitter but not buggy!!!!!!! - JegerPhil - Phil
@thomas: what about http://utterz.com/ ?? - mhmazidi
Actually, now that I think about it, identi.ca will never be a real player until FriendFeed starts working with it. - Akiva Moskovitz
I see no point to go backwards, of course first you have to try it if you want to compare it. http://ubervu.com/ this is what I wanna try when will be public. - dan
I signed, but will use twitter for post feed distribution and the occasional chat, but i agree that this platform is where we should spend most of our time, when we are not creating content. - Mário Pires
i keep my ff twitter free! micro-blogging belongs to twitter and co - Dieter Schwarz
I second utterz, also left a message asking to intergrate its cross posting with FF, this way we can select if we want some or all messages input to FF. - Tony C.
Damn, I wish you could "like" comments, because what Winer said here is exactly what I'm feeling, even if I'm not a developer. - Mike McCallister via NoiseRiver
I agree and I still find that I post to twitter. My network on FF is really limited and I get absolutely no feedback here. So until more people i know get on board or I become more interesting I post on Twitter and look enviously at people who can get feedback here. Either way, I've signed up for identi.ca but I'm not using it. - Jeremy Kunz via twhirl
People want all these new things because it's "trendy" to have a bajillion social networking tools. I have trouble keeping up with the ones I have, but then that's the product of a 9+ hour workday coupled with a 3+ hour round trip commute and finding time to spend with the family. - jerry
Great dialog Thomas. Think most of us would agree that FF and Twitter are essentially two different avenues and that if a SOLID replacement to Twitter came along (with an importer) before they fix it .... could (will) see an exodus of a lot of users. - Charlie Anzman
Amen to that! FF is a winner, hands down in my opinion! - Jason C.
Hi Thomas. You make me wonder where are Pownce, Twine, and the whole. of course it's definitely the triumph of less is more: less functions, more community, that's why we're still twitting - - Alberto D'Ottavi
FF will be the clear winner of this all when it gains SMS functionality - Glenn Batuyong via twhirl
I second Glenn Batuyong, SMS support is really a selling point for twitter IMO - Jeremy Kunz via twhirl
@Glenn that would be a great feature! - Joe Dawson
twitter (when it works) is still better at being distributed and easy to understand - Samuel Bostock
What's great about Indenti.ca is that IT IS a Twitter clone. No need to make it "fancier" or "Feature-packed", and what was great about Twitter is that it did ONE thing well (when it's available). FF is only useful for people like you, Winer and Scoble who have followers commenting on YOUR posts. For me, with 0 followers, I rely on my "friends" timeline to read what you guys are writing, and there's WAY too much noise. Especially the most annoying feature the "friend of a friend" posts. - Terry
Of course, I just realized you hit "hide", then "see more options...", then "hide all friends-of-friends". That's a big fail in my book. - Terry
Terry (and everyone else pissed off about noise), protip: if you don't like noise, don't start using a service only following A-listers. Those people are interacting with hundreds to thousands of people, and will introduce you to a huge amount of noise, even on Twitter. If you can't find people to follow that aren't A-listers, maybe being on that service isn't the best thing for you at this time. You can't have your cake and eat it, too. - Mark Trapp
The stole the whole thing from Zobzee.com anyway. - Jim Kukral via twhirl
You know if they were an EXACT clone of Twitter (minus the downtime) I think they'd do very well. - Leo Laporte
It's just another tube that feeds into FriendFeed, to me. - Josh Bancroft
their IM works, me and another were having a convo through indenti.ca with IM which i miss with twitter. i just like playing around with new things as well, that and "reserve" my username on the new launches, just in case. - Chris Harris
@Leo Yeah, They just have to do all the same features, and then we will just need a skin on it that makes it look 'exactly' like Twitter. Fail-Whale and everything :P Honestly, I've kinda moved away from the conversation on Twitter and Identi.ca. I mainly post on it with Ping.fm, but I don't really look at replies that much until I get a app. I don't know why, but I really just need something that will Pop Up, tell me what happened, then fade into the background. Browser won't do that - Chacha
Mark, I'm one of those very very few people then. Already talking to a developer about adding identi.ca's platform to The China Business Network's re-launch. Let the hacking for niche communities