I'm still waiting for someone to ask me what I think of the whole thing.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
So, Robert, if not posted in a blog, a point of view doesn't exist/matter? What happened to original reporting or fact checking?
- Chris Shipley
What I wrote is mostly my opinion and market feedback I am hearing. I didn't talk with either you or Mike because I don't think it would have added to what I was writing about. But I am interested in what calling you would have added to my article?
- Robert Scoble
Robert, Chris might say something that informs your point of view, even slightly. That would make it worth the call, no?
- Sam Whitmore
Sam: it probably would but this is a two-way conversation. Why does every blog post need to be a NYT article? Sometimes I just want to tell my readers what I think and I want to start a conversation. Not report on what everyone else's point of view is.
- Robert Scoble
I don't think a blog is necessarily the same as a newspaper or magazine. While I think it's important to have a consistent standard of ethics - of fact-checking on stories, etc. - a blog is typically your personal point of view. It's more an op/ed and less a newspaper report. You don't have to proactively go after every possible point of view, or be objective or neutral, so long as people know this.. I think bloggers _are_ trusted more when they are honest, open, check their facts.
- Justin Long
I think we have seen that social media, like FF, like Twitter, like Memeorandum and others are spectacular vehicles to create and support echo chamber thinking and echo chamber creation. Many bloggers do good work, but many do shoddy miserable work - and so far I don't see the bad ones punished by the readership.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
Soulhuntre: you are probably right but tonight I waited on the phone an hour to participate in a radio talk show. Here you can correct and be part of the story.
- Robert Scoble
Daniel, what did you think of the whole thing?
- Todd Hoff
Chris: I just searched Google for your phone number. It can't be found. So, how are we supposed to call you? For the record, my phone number has always been on my blog. You can search Google for it and call me. It's +1-425-205-1921. That's one thing you can do to make it easier for journalists and bloggers to call you and get your point of view.
- Robert Scoble
Chris, how many calls did you receive from so-called "true" journalists? When I read newspapers and other work from the "traditional" media, it often seems that the reporter simply regurgitates the press release.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
Ryan... you should come be a guest on our weekly editorial teleconference series... or maybe ask Joshua to come on... that's the best way to refine the PR contact you get
- Sam Whitmore
Christy's son just got back today from 10 days there and loved it. I was there in '89 for 10 days...never did get to the countryside... time for a "business trip," Morgan! :-)
- Sam Whitmore
Congratulations! that's really great news. RWW has been a great blog for ages now. back then you came on board it really became stellar. best techblog out there. hands down.
- Marcel Weiß
"People respond poorly to TV newspeople being impolite on the air." If you cross out some of the words you get, "People respond poorly to people being impolite." I like that he apologized, but he doesn't seem to understand that being a prick is still being a prick even if you're not on live TV.
- Kevin Fox
I'm not sure he realized he was being a prick. He seemed to have complete contempt for the folks waiting in line, as if they were a different species or something.
- Tad
That guy is a dipshit and KTLA should be ashamed of itself.
- Sam Whitmore
I think it was funny- both his dumb question, and the guy calling him out for asking a dumb question. Funny on both fronts. I love the newscaster clapping when the guy in line called him out. - I mean, come on techies (I have an iphone) we need to have a little self-effacing humor here.
- anna sauce
Anna, we wouldn't be laughing if the same reporter had asked a bunch of Asians why they couldn't drive or if they could teach him to eat with chopsticks...
- Tad
I think its important that we make a big stink about this for a couple of reasons: 1) Its fun 2) Standing in line for an awesome product is not unique to the tech crowd. Would Eric have insulted movie goers, roller coaster enthusiasts or Starbucks fans waiting in line? 3) We're obviously not the pimple faced dorks some people make us out to be. The man he harassed was smart, quick-witter and well spoken.
- Bukola
I don't get the big deal. I waited 5 hours - so what? People wait outside for days for concerts, movies, video games, etc. Why can't I wait for a phone with out being harassed? At least Triumph the comic insult dog was funny with the star wars fans - and even then it felt awkward. The reporter was a) rude b) condescending c) not funny d) was a wimp which all equal a total FAIL. Let us wait in peace - and tell him to go find some real news, if he knows what that means.
- Morgan
If this was just an isolated incident it wouldn't matter. But TV news tries to exert a huge social force for conformity. If you're different, they ridicule you and slap you down.
- Mitch Wagner
It's not just TV news Mitch - it's society in general. Look at Best Buy's Geek Squad - that's a disgusting stereotype. It's still funny to make fun of the nerd wearing the lab coat or reading a book, etc etc
- Tad
Hmm... I actually like the Geek Squad, I think they have the opposite effect -- wearing nerdiness as a badge of honor. YMMV though.
- Mitch Wagner
Their advertising has things like "They can't get dates, but they CAN fix your computer." That's disgusting.
- Tad
+1 for the guy he interviewed. Is he on friendfeed? :)
- Yolanda
It was a real jackass question to ask. TV News particularly in LA is so desperate for ratings they'll do just about anything as this clips hows. It's amazing the difference in quality of reporting elsewhere to LA. I find it sad that TV news has gone sensationalist. Sadly unbiased unsensationalist news a la Walter Cronkite is forever gone I dread.
- Jim Goldstein
KTLA's morning news doesn't pretend to be Cronkite, and in fact is more of the happy/entertainment news. But this wasn't happy or entertaining, as I noted in my comment at the original post.
- Ontario Emperor
@Ontario Emperor like all morning shows... I know what you mean, but none the less no morning show I used to watch in LA or NY would pull this type of stunt. It was excessively desperate. Funny for a puppet dog, but not for a person to do.
- Jim Goldstein
If that's the best an LA station could do, with stupid, goofy, on-street antics from a guy who's not even a weatherman, they pretty much deserve a round-house Kick in the Ding to the producer and advertisers. Seriously, that's just sad. If nothing else, they could have borrowed a Colbert-style guide and had him asking people in line sober, thoughtful, deeply funny questions. Seriously, all that potential and they engage in jackassery.
- Alexander Williams
from NoiseRiver
Jason, the New Yorker/Obama cover will be flashed around by others and manipulated for sordid purposes. Waving the bloody shirt, as it were...
- Sam Whitmore
Satire depends on a known, consistent perspective on something. We don't have that in the US right now. But what a bummer!
- Francine Hardaway
from twhirl
Looks somewhat interesting but wasn't invited. A LobbyCon?
- Dave Winer
I'll be there, since it's a short walk from my house to get there. Plus am speaking on a panel there. We should hold a FriendFeed meetup one evening there at the Firepit. How about Sunday night, the 20th?
- Robert Scoble
A LobbyCon in the Ritz would be pretty difficult to do unless you had only five or 10 people. They usually rope off the area where there's a conference. But, a Firepit meetup? They can't stop those, although there's only a few dozen chairs.
- Robert Scoble
Anyone based out of SF? I would love to go but have no car... carpool? I'll provide entertainment AND will pitch in gas $$
- Mona Nomura
Robert will you be around in HMB these days? or at Fortune?
- Loic Le Meur
I'm speaking at the Fortune Conference which is at the Ritz in Half Moon Bay (I live a 10-minute-walk away from the Ritz).
- Robert Scoble
sold out meh i know the catering company i'm in
- adolfo foronda
Wow - that looks like an amazing line up! Can't wait to hear you guys talk about it in review. Oh now see, that means y'all will be up there while I'm in town. Maybe I'll go sit in the parking lot and surreptitiously play Web 2.0 paparazzo.
- Lucretia Pruitt
Lucretia: we're going to have a FriendFeed meetup on one of the nights at the FireRing outside the hotel before the conference.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I have just found out I am in the program as speaker too. I must have missed emails, I should entirely reboot my brain I think.
- Loic Le Meur
Robert: I'll keep my eyes out for more info on the FF meetup! Loic: you are getting too busy if you are interested in attending conferences where you're speaking!! :)
- Lucretia Pruitt
I am telling you, high-rise cemeteries!
- Steve Rubel
There are more people alive now than ever have been alive in the past combined. And we can all fit on the islands off the coast of England with relative ease: we're not running out of space anytime soon.
- Mark Trapp
You must be on vacation or something, Steve!
- Sam Whitmore
@Sam - worse, I am waiting for a delayed flight to Cleveland!
- Steve Rubel
Old people shrink, dead people even more.
- Ton Zijp
is this what you think about on the #6 train during rush hour?
- Allen Stern
@Allen Ha! No. Which is worse? I think of your Amtrak video actually to stay sane.
- Steve Rubel
if you have changed 14th street to plurk station and 42nd grand central to friendfeed station, i am sending you to a shrink :-P
- Allen Stern
this is a question that goes no where. more blue state fashion hysteria. don't worry about it. The glass roof is bullshit.
- Noah David Simon
It was quite common (and probably still is in some places) for bodies to be moved or for new bodies to be buried on top of the old. Corpse-stacking, if you will. Me, I'm going to be cryogenically preserved for the benefit of future mankind. And to really annoy everyone who might otherwise have figured in my will.
- John Samuelson
Apparently there have been approx 70,000,000,000 people that have died up to this point in time. Assuming you need a plot about 2 sq meters to bury a person and all of those were actually buried it would take 140,000,000,000 sq meters of land to bury them(140,000 km2). The earth has approx 148,939,100 km2 of land so I think there is and was lots of room (unless I screwed up somewhere ;-) )
- Brian Sullivan
The world hasn't run out of grave space because people keep on dying.
- Steve Lynch
from Alert Thingy
Alot of cultures used to burn bodies, and there are a million reasons beside that. But if you look at the times when the largest amounts of people died, like when the plague came around, they had to burn the bodies so disease wouldn't spread.
- The Kid
The vast majority of the people who ever lived on Earth never got any kind of a burial as we think of it. The bodies were either lost, burned, or dumped in a mass grave. And even today, a non-negligible number of people don't opt for a burial. That said, you're probably severely overestimating the size of the human population relative to the amount of land available for cemeteries.
- Eric P
A friend from singapore told me this happened there. They dug up all the bodies and cremated them. The ashes are kept in the temples on little high rise stands. The most recent to pass are at the bottom
- gregory
Steve, You should get out to West Texas and visit Hugh MacLeod in Alpine. He'll show you plenty of space to bury folks for centuries to come.
- Jim Cahill
from twhirl
Jim... there is plenty of a lot of things... except sanity
- Noah David Simon