The three I probably get the most out of are Adobe's blog network, Google's blog network, and WebKit (which includes probably the only Apple-sanctioned blogging). They're less about corporate PR/policy though.
- Mark Trapp
Yeah, straight press releases can be boring. But even some corporate news is OK, as long as it's interesting. Blogs should be held to a higher level of "interestingness" than press releases.
- Hutch Carpenter
My sister randomly IMs me with: "Are you friends with XYZ on Facebook?" so I check and realize I'm not and add her. Then she goes: "Well, her sister just committed suicide." WTF is my sister asking me if I'm friends with her on FB? I was friends with her IRL. Why mention Facebook at all?! Now my friend request seems tacky.
Richard: you are the filter. Apply likes to things you like, don't apply likes to things you don't. Or, do a new filter and you can subtract words. So if you don't like Evans add "-evans" to the filter.
- Robert Scoble
Fair enough, I suppose, were the articles properly tagged with "junk science" 1/2 :) Actually, I'd be happy enough to simply receive NO science posts from HuffPo. Or "health" .... or "medicine"...
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
I guess that leaves "politics" HEY WAIT... what is HuffPo anyway? I originally thought it was going to stick to punditry...
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
Nice idea...now i can see more interesting content :)
- Nicholas James
Al Gore -- who has become more relevant than the man he lost the 2000 election to -- challenges Americans to reach 100% carbon-free electricity in ten years.
- Chris Baskind
not gonna happen in 10 years, but we will definitely be on the way towards that goal.
- grant fox
I think we could do if we really wanted to. Gore's Challenge makes me think of how the US transformed its industries between peace time and our full engagement in WWII. We just need... motivation.
- Cat Laine
from twhirl
This country's economy needs a boom industry. Lez do eet.
- Geoff Schultz
Interesting to note that Arrington says it seems like Digg artificially creates the homepage, and "there is certainly nothing wrong with that". I guess no one wants to piss off a good source of traffic right?
- Muhammad Saleem
from Bookmarklet
yeah, digg is annoying that way and why i rarely use it..
- Darren Daz Cox
hey saleem - saw this too. I can't make *anything* go popular and ive submitted a bunch of stories, you need friends otherwise nothing will ever have a chance. ive gotten close but never got over the hump to the front page. with that said, *my* site's content has gone popular and driven me tons of traffic...so i still love digg =)
- Adam Singer
I followed that particular story first hand from when it was submitted, till it finally got popular 20hours later and I gotta say I haven't, ever, seen anything weirder then this. Clearly censorship...
- Tibi Puiu
That's why I use FriendFeed now, having been a 4 times a day Digg user. The information here is just more relevant, maybe because it really is the network that's pushing it.
- David Sim
It might just be that digg's algorithm gives too much weight to a bury. I think Jay Adelson is a pretty smart guy and has his finger on the pulse of the social web. After reading "Once You're Lucky, Twice You're Good" he seems like the last guy that would pull a play that would endanger his network. Then again, I guess only the people working at Digg know the truth.
- Adam Singer
I think that article had way too many buries tbh. It's definitely a rarity but it's also a political discussion that was pretty heated. That's likely why it didn't frontpage.
- Tamar Weinberg
I was privy to the development of this new site, a join effort of Hank Green (EcoGeek) and social media maven Muhammad Saleem. It's like a green Digg, but with a twist: it simplifies submission of environmentally themed stories to several social media sites.
- Chris Baskind
I liked the simplicity of Twitter. The other similar services all try to tack on way too many bells-and-whistles. Simple is good. And Twitter integrates with FriendFeed so nicely ...
- cerement
I think microblogging is here to stay. The community size will likely to grow, but there will be more consumers than producers.
- Harry Chen
Twitter will grow, but I doubt it will become mainstream. The average person will be more inclined to use social network status updates than a dedicated microblogging service.
- grag
Ben, Good question and I wasn't quite sure what to think. After doing a few quick searches it appears that Twitter has 2 million users (http://twitterfacts.blogspot.com/2008...) while Technorati is tracking 112 million blogs (http://technorati.com/about/). So, that is only 2%. Reading those stats makes me think, IMO, that microblogging will expand to at least 8% (or 9 million total users.)
- Czar
I also think it is here to stay. These services create a whole different angle of social networking
- Neal Jansons
I don't know how viable it will be on Twitter, but Plurk is gaining fast in popularity because of the simple fact that you can have comments like this (friendfeed). With Plurk you can know instantly if your announcement "registers" with the audience. And there is instant feedback.
- Telemill
I think what we all need to realize is that Twitter is not about microblogging (broadcasting yourself), it is about conversation (same as FriendFeed where conversation is even easier which explains its rapid growth). And I think in a year from now we will only see this trend sharpen: people will stick to the services that allow for a more efficient conversation instead of pushing your ideas and thoughts to people without expecting anything in return.
- Svetlana Gladkova
I disagree, I think micro-blogging (broadcast) greatly differ from the bi-directional / conversation we see here in FriendFeed and blogs. So the twitter's and IM products are here to stay. They have a unique and distinct user base.
- Susan Beebe
I think instant messaging is the target of micro blogging (and I agree with Svetlana when she says Twitter is about conversation)
- Romain Péchard
from twhirl
I just wrote a blog post partly connected to this. I think microblogging will survive - but not in and of itself. I think it will survive in concert with other services that integrate with it. It seems that everything is becoming more inclusive - therefore services that try to cause divergent behaviour (e.g. commenting directly on blog posts within the blogs) will probably fail. It's exciting to be around while this is shaking out though...
- Jonathan Beckett
I don't think of microblogs as replacements for traditional blogs, to me they're human-readable endpoints for publishing data feeds.
- Andy Murdoch
I think there's a benefit to microblogging - smaller attention spans. I don't anticipate its near death as people start to multitask more often and find that saying less means more.
- Tamar Weinberg
I think it's a little early to predict the death of microblogging. It's only now just starting to pick up speed.
- David Cohn
@Susan: I have never meant to predict Twitter would die - it's just that I don't see anyone values microblogging in itself - people tend more to use it as a conversational tool which has 2 part involved at least. So I don't care about Twitter as a microblogging platform, I care about it as a social network where lots of people I find interesting discuss things (same and even better goes to FriendFeed).
- Svetlana Gladkova
from twhirl
I don't think microblogging will die, but I do think it's telling that this conversation isn't also on Twitter. And if Twitter is about conversation, then FF is more Twitterish than Twitter. It's easier to follow a conversation here, and thus easier to converse.
- Brian Carter
@Stuart Forsyth agreed. microblogging is trending in the direction of other "micro interactions" - speed, efficiency, brevity - for better or worse.
- Dean Terry
I don't think microblogging will replace blogging, anymore than blogs replace books or TV replaced movies- I realize they are on different platforms, but take the metaphor- there are different media of different lengths for different purposes- some blog posts give me detail I need that I can't get on Twitter or FF; some are so long I print them out- some are too long and I never get around to finishing them- but I read books that are longer in less than a week...
- Brian Carter
I think micro blogging in part was just permission to create content that was more immediate and unfinished - with the idea that we create together. And it certainly will continue and grow.
- Tony
microblogging is here to stay, especially plurk where you can have dozens of simultaneous conversations. twitter is old fashioned, it's hard to go back and see what you've missed...
- Darren Daz Cox
"Know how to win friends and influence people? Advertisers want you to peddle their stuff to peers on Facebook and MySpace. Internet start-ups out to crack the problem of advertising on social networks are developing ad technology that can analyze which people are most influential to their friends on social networks so that they can target those people with pass-it-on messages about Apple's latest iPhone or The Incredible Hulk movie."
- Maki
from Bookmarklet
And how much will they pay us to Spam their Wares? Or are we their Slaves and must promote their materialism for Free?
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Ick. I don't like the sounds of this already. Interesting, but devious...
- Andy DeSoto
"We're trying to make ads suck less in social networks," said Seth Goldstein, founder .... should be "we're trying to figure out how to use people to make up for the fact that we keep sucking so bad."
- Sara
Sounds like Brands are relying on influential users/customers as their marketing. It is much more personal when a users brags on a company than when a company brags on him self.
- Joseph Rodgers
I could see this working in the short term, but I imagine users would get used to the fact that friends are appearing in ads and then begin ignoring them. I could only see this working in the long term if they make sure that social ads only focus on things friends have actually done, such as "Tom scored 1600 in The Space Game app" (info which would have to be provided by the app). If they start just inserting friend thumbnails into any ad just to grab your attention people will quickly learn to ignore them.
- grag
Using "influencers" to exploit their established social networks on behalf of paid advertising for the sake of a fast buck is the purist form of opportunistic capitalism.
- Susan Beebe
People talk about 'Wave of the Future'. Well, I reckon in this case, the tag is justified. If they can find out a way to dismiss link-train wh%%es etc. and adequately measure social connectedness, they'll be onto a winner here imho.
- john conroy
I'm thinking that we should do a weekly 'freestyle' group chat. Think about a 'Friday Freestyle'. There is usually less content over the weekends so why don't we get together and talk about whatever social media thoughts are on our minds?
"During a panel at OMMA Social conference in New York, President of SocialVibe, Joe Marchese, asked a very important and relevant question to social media marketers and Fortune 500 companies: Are impressions more important than relationships with online users? Many of the branding and social media strategists raised their hands in agreement when asked if their motives were to build...
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- Hutch Carpenter
A-list blogger told me off about FriendFeed last night. Said that FF isn't a good business strategy for bloggers who want to get paid for their work. I told him that attitude is exactly why I am spending so much time there.
"Adapt or become irrelevant" should be the mantra of everyone in technology-based fields. Progress waits for no man.
- Mark Trapp
Pinned to Jack Kerouac's wall to inspire his writing: "Art is the highest task and the proper metaphysical activity of this life."-Nietzsche
- Thomas Hawk
Who cares where comments are made as long as they are made.
- Steve Hall
from twhirl
What was the A-lister's favorite community site? Twitter or Facebook?
- Phil G
I'm being a little spammy here, but I posted some thoughts about that before: Ten FriendFeed Visitors Beats 1,000 StumbleUpons Any Day http://tinyurl.com/455lol
- Hutch Carpenter
I find myself as A FF user visting more links and seeing more blog pages than I ever did before. What about it isn't a "good business strategy" according to this nameless A-lister? Sounds like he/she isn't all that perceptive.
- Brian Sullivan
Steve: if you are being paid for page views it matters a lot.
- Robert Scoble
Sorry but I have to disagree. If I posted some content on my blog, I'd like the discussion about it to be focused on that website. FF commentary feels like a hidden backchannel sometimes
- Daniel Spisak
from twhirl
I realized this on day 0. Removing conversation from my blog = Less adsense. We went through the same thing when RSS hit.. .now we have ads in RSS.
- Bwana ☠
@Brian - I agree on reading more blogs via FriendFeed than I would have normally.
- Hutch Carpenter
Scott, Wordpress has a plugin that does that, and there is development of a similar plugin/module for Drupal and Blogger.
- Mark Trapp
One of these days we'll have a viable micro-payment system and when we comment or click "Like" anywhere on the tubez we'll also be paying $0.002 to the originator.
- Internet's Tad
from fftogo
Pageviews shouldn't be a concern if you're producing good content -- especially if you're an A-list blogger. If you're NOT producing good content as an A-list then you're just trying to live off your "fame". It's like crappy music artists who keep putting out crappy music and people still love it.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Scott brings up a good point. If they have RSS, they already lost "pageviews" but subscriber counts are supposedly important. Why is it that the conversation on FriendFeed would not add to the quality of their blog? They would never turn off their RSS feed, so I think this seems a little hypocritical.
- Rob Diana
Didn't Dave Winer say that he thought "professional blogger" was an oxymoron (or words to that effect). Maybe that reality is just coming home to roost?
- Brian Sullivan
I have always found it interesting when people rail against progress because it hurts their business model, why not simply adapt your model?
- Karen Swim
from Alert Thingy
@scoble: Its tottaly bugging me that my comments are on friendfeed! Its my ego at play for sure. Actually did blog post today about it: http://britneymason.com/?p=139 But that being said, im getting more feedback then ever..so its a give and take I guess
- Dave Peck
Couldn't care less - not making money off my blog, and I'm sure I have more people reading my blog DUE to FF than in spite of it...
- Jeremy Toeman
FriendFeed is surely much better for bloggers that feed readers are. It makes users more likely to click links (partially because full feed content isn't included) and discover new blogs. And seeing an interesting discussion on FF makes me even more likely to click through to the article. How is that bad?
- Tony Ruscoe
from fftogo
So many A-list bloggers are long overdue for an adjustment - the hubris is astonishing. Ballmer-esque, really.
- Noah Carter
"Hubris Ballmer-esque" -- great phrase -- can I use it?
- Brian Sullivan
When I read a blog, I don't waste any brain cells worrying how the author is getting compensated for the article posted. He (or she) should've figured that strategy out before I got there. If the content isn't compelling me to view the page, then there's another topic for the author to contemplate.
- William Beem
Scott, that's cool, but I'm not interested until it's ubiquitous and much less than $0.10. I want it to be so inexpensive I can "tip" folks all day long and not hurt my finances. If millions of us do that all day some folks will be making serious cash.
- Internet's Tad
from fftogo
I would say it is exactly the reverse of his statement. Shall we extract him (her) from the A-list ? :)
- Charlie Anzman
It will always be about the conversation. Have an informed opinion; be different; work hard; contribute. If I find someone out there I like, I will seek to grab as much information about him/her as possible. Blogging will never die because (if done well) it is the most introspective and personal medium: two areas that will become increasingly important as we get deeper into Web 2.0, 3.0 and beyond.
- Blake N. Cooper
While bloggers get less pageviews due to comments moving away to aggregators, they gain much wider exposure which leads to more pageviews. Bottom line, the total number of pageviews stays the same or even increases with the added value of having more unique views, which has more value.
- Amit Morson
I was wondering, does anyone know if there's a way to make the comments from FriendFeed automatically also show up in the relevant blog? Similar to how we can check a box to duplicate a post on Twitter? Would that maybe solve the problem? If it's possible to do, that is.
- Kamilah Gill
My opinions here have been well documented. Over time, this will get easier and, eventually, solved.
- Louis Gray
Kamilah, I expect to see that happening eventually with Disqus. I know they are working on it - implement disqus on your blog and it will come.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
being pragmatic, but page views is a dying business model within blogging. The blog is about personal branding and then you sell yourself as a service thereafter. Words and thoughts are commodities.
- morten saxnaes
there's revenue associated with blogging??? :)
- anna sauce
Tad, I'm really active on Tipjoy, and it doesn't cost too much. You can tune it to $0.05, which is really cheap. You can tip 100 times daily for less than a big Starbucks coffee. For just $1 per day, you too can support this starving internet :D
- Ivan Kirigin
FF is more for combining the work of others into a feed for yourself -- and combining all of your work into a single feed for others to consume. Has nothing to do with blogging imo.
- xero
@Ivan - You better be active on TipJoy! @Tad I tuned TipJoy to $0.05 and use it when I come across someone with the buttons that writes something I like. I probably should use the bookmarklet to help spread the word, but I'm getting too many of those things. Hopefully now that TipJoy is on friendfeed we'll see a increase in usage
- David Knight
@David the problem with TipJoy is you are limited to sending the money to charity or getting Amazon gift cards - sorry but that doesn't work for folks that just might want to use it as an alternative monitization method or donations
- Steven Hodson
@Steven the cashing out issue is one that would be faced by any startup in our position - thanks to the regulatory framework around money transfer agents. It will be solved really soon, and we're trying to be very open about it. Also, we do let non-profits & platforms cash out.
- Ivan Kirigin
If I had to document all the ways Friendfeed has be AWESOME for me, I'd have to write a book ... and it's barely out of the gate. Spoke with 3 people on the phone today that said they couldn't get enough
- Charlie Anzman
Since I started using FF I actually see more comments on my blog and absolutely no impact on my (meager) advertising take.
- Frederic
Amen, keep hittin' em hard out there.
- Aaron Myers
I like FF, too. It's a great way to meet people, and it is driving traffic back to my blog.
- Bill Sodeman
Many readers like FF. Blogger vs. Reader = Readers win. Always. (If not, they go somewhere else)
- Pat Hawks
@Jesse Thanks, I'll have to look into Disqus. I've seen the name around but I know nothing about it.
- Kamilah Gill
Time consuming and I find there is more noise than Twitter. I like that you can always see everyones replies so you don't miss anything, but every 5 seconds, I've got alerts waiting and new messages... It can be a little much.
- Natitude
Also, I don't see Plurk becoming as useful as Twitter (ex: the journalist story, etc.)
- Rubin Sfadj
Plurk is overwhelming to me. If I step away for 10 minutes, I will have over 100 missed messages.
- Reem Abeidoh
I agree. I really love the concept, but after just a few days I was overwhelmed.
- Sara
It's easier to follow for me than is Twitter, but I'm used to the threaded discussions of Pownce. That said it's already becoming overwhelming. And I just had my first argument there (which I've never had on Pownce) so I'm being less enthusiastic about it than I might have been a few hours ago. Thus this isn't really an unbiased comment as I fear I'm still in a bit of a mood.
- Heidi Cool
threaded response is useful but the timeline is not. I wonder if they can throw ajax in their plurk.com/m and make it alternate standard UI
- Toni @ NavinoT
I would like to see less noise. It may be too late already. Lots of links to peoples blog post. who can blame them. I think that until we have sub-rooms it is just going to be craziness. Sorry to say but this weeks conversations don't compare to last weeks.
- MikeonTV
Mike, what do you recommend the posters do? I would like to see people asking questions like in Probloger room they ask question about blogging, here they can ask questions about social media! What do you think?
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I think we need more questions and less links. And when you're asking questions or posting links, think about this: "Would this get enough replies to be linked in the daily recap?"
- Muhammad Saleem
I'd like a pony. I think it's a safe bet you're going to not see a lot of utility out of this room that isn't redundant of the main stream while early adopters, who are all heavily invest in social media to begin with, dominate the userbase. If/When friendfeed becomes the opiate of the masses, this will be a nice little niche channel for social media conversations that no longer take place in people's streams.
- Mark Trapp
That is, framed in the context of addressing immediate problems. The social media room isn't that bad. I think it's probably noisier than some people like because it's mostly a rehashing of what's already occurring outside the room.
- Mark Trapp
I don't mind links as long as they are relevant. I just wish some people will self-moderate a little. Perhaps indicate this in the description on the side-bar for the room so new users can see it? The best way to cut down the noise and irrelevant crap is for people to be responsible and self-moderate before posting.
- Maki
"By building up a huge mass of users, Twitter benefits from our existing social connections and their inertia. But as the problems continue, it’s possible that someone else could grab the mindshare - and traffic - that currently belongs to Twitter. Here’s a five-step plan for building a “Twitter killer.”"
- Maki
"Twitter is a twitter killer" Somebody draw a whale bitting it's tail...
- Anthony Farrior
I'll have Scoble's liver served with some fava beans and a nice chianti. All this talk of buying Yahoo. If Yahoo bought friendfeed there would be no need to sell. think about it. Yahoo suffers from fragmentation and no centralized core.
- Noah David Simon
I'm trying to figure out why it would be hard to simply build a Twitter clone that uses the same API. The twitter ecosystem would be easy to port over. You could even make switching to this new clone a one-step process. Maybe no one has done it for fear of being called out as the Twitter Murderer...
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
a twitter clone is a good idea, but a a twitter "Ning" is a better one. I would prefer someone make something that works. Something public domain that people would pay those that had the know to fix. That way everyone could have their own twitter.
- Noah David Simon
For bookmarking definitely del.icio.us in combination with local deli, Friendfeed for sharing because it aggregates all of the other services.
- Werner Trotter
Google Bookmarks because it syncs with Google Notebook and my Tumblelog for sharing links.
- Svartling
I've been using diigo rather than delicious and like the service. The problem is sites like FriendFeed don't include it in my stream. Still looking for FriendFeed support. I may have to start using del.icio.us again just so it is included in my stream because I do bookmark a lot of links that I want to share with others.
- Ellen Moore
Del.icio.us which is picked up by Twitterfeed and posted to Twitter which then is picked up by FriendFeed.
- Robert Sanzalone
i guess it's considered old school, but delicious still works great for me...via feedalizr
- David Jacobs
I'm really big into Diigo lately. Has been really helpful in collaborating in maintaining a website. My client puts notes all over his site saying what he wants changed. I change it and not it in the note.
- Bill Bittner
I'm addicted to del.icio.us: I post everything to it... well, almost everything!
- Yaser Sulaiman
i love delicious. i use it for bookmarking / sharing pages i come across. I use Google Reader to bookmark / share feeds. It annoys me that I'm building up two separate repositories, is there a way to sync the two (a delicious brand feed reader spin-off would be ace!). I'm using a greasemonkey script in GReader but it's a poor substitute. Can anyone IM with a solution?
- stuart brown
Each has it's merits. I'm more inclined to G Reader notes because of the convenience since I'm on Google's web services most of the time. FF will aggregates all other services.
- Jonathan Kong
I use del.icio.us to bookmark. But I also use GReader, FF, Twitter, ReadBag....Ahhhhh when does it end?
- KACCKCM
I used to use del.icio.us but now that you can link anywhere from in gReader, I'll almost always share w/note. I do still refer to my del.icio.us network though - I guess I'd better start contributing again. ;)
- MLx
They are very different and all serve different purposes. I don't see how I can compare them. But If I had to choose 1 that I had to have over the others, it would be GReader.
- Steaprok
I go to the optimal opportunity to share. del.icio.us All this talk of buying Yahoo. If Yahoo bought friendfeed there would be no need to sell. think about it. Yahoo suffers from fragmentation and no centralized core.
- Noah David Simon