"Any sub-entry of entry is written in language which you don't want to read, then the whole entry will be excluded." Any way you can exclude only the foreign language comment, and not the entire entry? - Dewald Pretorius

Can't download it.. - Shey

@Shey "Install directly" points at wrong place, fixed, please try again. - Yu-Jie Lin

@Dewald Pretorius That really is important to have, I will make it happen in next version. - Yu-Jie Lin

@Yu-Jie Still can't download even after refreshing - Shey

@Shey http://thetinybit.com/Project/... or download from userscripts.org http://userscripts.org/scripts... - Yu-Jie Lin

Is it just me? None of these links are working for me -- they don't even budge - Shey

I think it's just me -- for some reason I can't install any GM script - Shey

why filter. . . couldnt we write some code to translate? - Anthony

If you write code to on the fly translate Persian/Farsi and English back and forth, let me know. - Michael W. May via twhirl

@Mike W May....i mentioned that a while ago but it never took...I really think FF should just ask you when you sign up, and that language you chose should be the proprietary. - Anthony

Google Translate has an API. They can just hook into that. - Dewald Pretorius

Just made an update that supports in-place hidden and few other things. If you are interested in getting latest version of this script, please bookmark http://friendfeed.com/e/21463e... - Yu-Jie Lin

Yu-Jie, I'd be interested in FF translation GM script using Google Translate API...even if it is a bit slow. - Hao Chen

Brian - agreed. - Hutch Carpenter

+1 Broken, but I guess I just share Alexander's world view. Not quite directly on point, but IMHO nothing has done more to fragment the conversation more quickly than FriendFeed's current work flow of adding a top level item every time someone diggs, shares, bookmarks, or posts a direct link to somebody elses content. Take this post, for example. I think the original article should be the anchor point for the conversation in FF. Not the fact that Louis shared it. - Ken Sheppardson

Ken, but I would never have even seen the post had Louis not shared it. The web is fine, it's the people using it who are broken. :-) - Robert Seidman

That all depends on how FF "fixed" it, Robert. FF can certainly connect subsequent mentions of/links to the same URL back to the original item. The fact that Louis shared it is really no different than him commenting on it, and either action could raise the item in your stream. UI mockup here :-) http://www.flickr.com/photos/k... - Ken Sheppardson

I think there is a desire to control conversation that is a hold over from MSM media ideas from the 20th century. It seems to pop up all over even occasionally in people like Scoble that claim to have fully embraced social media (to be fair to Robert though his dalliances in control need seem short lived) - Brian Sullivan

The fact is, I saw it because of Louis. The fact is, busted as you may think it is, Ken, more people saw the post because of a "busted system". My conclusion is that the busted system is therefore better. That is not to say FriendFeed can't (and won't) improve how it presents the information. - Robert Seidman

Agreed, Robert. I just think we have a long way to go. For me it's not a matter of controlling the conversation so much as bringing together people with a common interest. Sure, it's nice to have 50 little conversations between three or four folks, but the technology could be used to 150 people together in one well structured exchange of ideas. To me the latter seems much more significant than the former. - Ken Sheppardson

Ken, these are definitely still very early days not just for friendfeed. That said I don't agree with your contention that more is better. If you get 150 people aligned around a goal and are actually looking to get "results" I agree with you. The results most bloggers seem to be looking for, however, is traffic. - Robert Seidman

Robert: I'm not looking for more traffic. I'm looking to have interesting conversations with interesting people. Personally, smaller conversations are usually more interesting. - Robert Scoble

Heh. Traffic. Yep. Like I said. Broken. ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

Robert Scoble: you are definitely NOT "most bloggers" :-) I agree with you 100% and don't find anything broken about it. - Robert Seidman

I disagree with the premise that comments were once centralized. Conversations happen all over the place -and always have: newsgroups, blogs, forums, etc. twitter and others simply added one more place. - LPH

the main ff page is the watering hole, and the other comments elsewhere are like the copy machine chatter.. :)- nada thing wrong with both.. just need to keep ears close to the ground to hear which calvary is coming :)- - Peter Dawson

The great thing about diversifying your services, I've found, is that it gives people who are following you finer grain control on what noise they want to hear. I may want to see everything you're doing and sharing except for your status updates: but if you combine everything into just using the Friendfeed share something link, I can't filter out the different types of items in your feed anymore. - Mark Trapp

I'm thinking about doing the same as I only use Twitter as a broadcast service now. - Colin Walker via fftogo

@Colin Same here. If I want a conversation, I post the message to FriendFeed - Shey

@Colin I think you nailed it. Twitter is more for broadcasting. FF is a lot more like a blog with comments. Most people dont include their tweets as blog posts. Anyway, once I turned off the Twitter noise, I started to think of FF much more like a link blog, which Im liking (but also not wanting to muddy up with my Tweets). - Andrew Baron

I want to do the same, but I'm wondering if ppl try and MSG me thru twitter after discovering in FF. Also, I'm now twitterfeeding my FF internal RSS. - Hao Chen

yes i have made that shift- using twitter to answer the question "What are you doing?" and discussing it over here on FF. - Nathan Eckenrode

The threading is really nice, but for some people the simplicity of twitter is much more appealing. - Rob Diana

Look at what's happening on identi.ca. The race for the most amount of followers. Same difference if you ask me. - Bwana McCall

I haven't found Plurk to be usable. The sideways scrolling, the constant "You have an update!" notifications: it gives me a headache. - Mark Trapp

i tried plurk -- a little too bubblegum for me to be honest. plus the karma points make me feel like i'm in some competition. - Cee Bee

I enjoy the threaded conversations while I'm there. Really really easy to have conversations. It took me a week to get used to the timeline, but when I did, I could see the value. It's a totally different animal from Twitter. (literally) - Bwana McCall

I haven't used Plurk THAT much, but it seems to be carving out its niche as a chatty, lightweight application. There's clearly a group of people who really like it. It won't appeal to everyone, but I think it will find its own audience, probably at the expense of Twitter or FriendFeed. Shrug. If nothing else, it shows that people are interested in conversations, just as they have been for the past 20+ years. I will probably be an occasional user at best, but it probably wasn't designed for me either. - Mark Dykeman

I try not to compare it to Twitter and judge it on its own merits. I just feel overwhelmed having to collapse every single thread just to see if I might be interested in the convo. And having to collapse every thread to see if anyone responded to time. I can't even fathom how a business might use it as some folks have suggested. - Jennifer Leggio

Regarding Jennifer's question, I sincerely believe people who say they like Plurk. Of course there are some who simply must be right as that is true with any situation, but the people I've observed and talked to on Plurk use it for meaningful purposes. You hate it and it seems like you hate to see people like it. :) It's not a black and white type thing though. The term "reality" doesn't have a factual meaning here because liking Plurk is purely opinionated. - Bwana McCall

I disagree that Plurk can be used for business purposes. In my opinion, it's a social, fun tool to be used between friends and family. - Bwana McCall

Regarding following threads, the technique I found to work was selective reading. To "catch up" on Plurk, you will drive yourself nuts if you try to read every thread. What I do is skim the conversations and find the 2 or 3 I'm interested in and I read those. With the new "mute" functionality, I have a rule that if a unwanted conversation shows up 3 or more times when I catch up, I mute the thread. This workflow allows me to catch up on hundreds of updates in minutes. - Bwana McCall

Even with that technique, many don't want to bother with all that. That's perfectly fine. There's nothing wrong with disliking it. Plurk can be a huge timesink even with efficient techniques. That was a big reason why I cut back my usage. I would spend hours talking to people. No time for that :) - Bwana McCall

@Bwana "You hate it and it seems like you hate to see people like it." That was an incorrect, unfounded and unnecessary judgment. Just trying to understand it as all. I don't have that much free time to sit around and play with all of these tools so I ask questions to get other people's insights. I expressed an opinion but that does not mean I hate the other people like it. I don't understand why other people like it. Big difference. That comment kind of discredited your whole statement. - Jennifer Leggio

It was a joke Jennifer, hence the smiley. Text sucks for wit. - Bwana McCall

There are lots of things I dislike -- baseball, pork, country music. I may ask questions to better understand the appeal and in doing so I might express my own opinion, but that doesn't mean it bothers me if other people like it. I just may never agree and may always look at them with a raised eyebrow. ;-) - Jennifer Leggio

@Bwana - Yeah, hard to tell if comments with a smiley online are jokes or passive aggression. lol. In that case ignore my statement. But I still dislike Plurk, baseball, pork and country music. ;-) - Jennifer Leggio

Plurk took away the ability to delete an account about 2 weeks ago... I wonder why that is...? I'm guessing Account Retention due to an increased frequency of deletions... sad though that they would prevent you from deleting your account. They don't answer support inquiries either. Fail across the board. Oh, I should mention that I exploited the site to add thousands of friends at once and it broke the functionality of the site for many of the people on my friends list. They still haven't fixed those issues - Brandon

I'd like to know how in the world people would use Plurk in their business. A far stretch would be to gather feedback from their products (as businesses do on Twitter, etc). Other than that... I can't see it at all. - Bwana McCall

I find the headless graphic disturbing. - Angel Aviles-McClinton

@Bwana Yeah, I'm trying to figure it out. I've seen a lot of claims made but nothing in action. If I hear of anything concrete I will let you know. - Jennifer Leggio

@Brandon I'm actually interviewing the Plurk folks sometime in the next week so I'll ask them about the account deletion and support. - Jennifer Leggio

Angel - so did I at first. You can change that graphic, but it's not obvious - Bwana McCall

I think the Karma thing bugs me the most. The timeline, is kitschy and I think needlessly complexifies the UI, but ultimately is just a personal preference. I could see businesses using it the same way they use twitter, but with greater potential for starting a dialogue since it is trivial for anyone to track the full conversation. - felix

@Jennifer That sounds great, thanks. - Brandon

have a plurk but check it minimally - never really had what i was looking for, but neither did jaiku or pownce - think identi.ca will be the same way - am liking swurl so far though but friendfeed is the real keeper... - mike "glemak" dunn

@Mike Agree. I think that FF has the most sustainability of them all. I wish I could say that about Twitter as I do <3 it... but not looking so good. - Jennifer Leggio

@Jennifer agreed, i ♥ twitter too but things aren't looking that well anymore. FF ftw. - Brandon

@mediaphyter, Plurk is as good as the friends you follow... yet I can't condone one replacing the other. - Czar Derek Peterman

Jennifer I can tell you that the people using Plurk are there because we honestly love it. I was on there last night laughing my head off till I was crying at some of the stuff other people were plurking about. It was literally roll in the floor hilarious! I can understand why some people don't like Plurk, but I can also understand EXACTLY why those of us that spend time on Plurk, love it. - Mack Collier

@Mack But the hilarity of the content has nothing to do with the platform, it's the people right? Those people could be anywhere. I have similar experiences with Twitter and FriendFeed and even Pownce before I retired from there. Saying "but it's funny" doesn't defend the platform. It just says you happen to have a good network or find good conversations. That can be done anywhere. - Jennifer Leggio

I'm over at Plurk trying to give it another chance. It's making me feel like I have ADD. Plus there's no way I will remember all of the threads I've posted on. Maybe I need to carry around a Plurk notepad and write them down? :-/ - Jennifer Leggio

Yeah, but people also tout the virtues of MySpace. - Evo Terra via twhirl

Plurk does seem to be a love/hate app - Sarah Perez

Why do people feel that Plurk has to be useful for business? I wasn't into social media at the time but did this type of discussion happen when MySpace came out? Unless you have a band, not too many business uses for that either but it's still very popular. - Vaughn

@Vaughn I don't think anyone's saying it has to be useful for business - but a lot of people are claiming that it is. So I want to understand how (and am currently having that convo with Plurk itself via email). As for MySpace, as much as I've outgrown that myself, a lot of consumer-oriented companies DO still use it for branding and promotion. It's a lot of the B2B companies that it has scared off. - Jennifer Leggio

@Jennifer Leggio That makes sense. Sometimes I feel that Plurk is the square peg and people are trying to force it into the round hole. - Vaughn

Wait..if temps were to drop dramatically, Canada would be the first to turn into a popsicle, no? - Hao Chen

@Parth i would seem that way and it also has to do with population density: "This is because of the low pressure on natural resources resulting from a low population density and large land area, combined with high agricultural capacity, a healthy economy, few development and health challenges and excellent public institutions." - Shey

@Hao Temps in Toronto are already so messed up, I don't think it could get worse. In Spring and Autumn temps can go up or down 15 degrees celcius in less than a day. - Shey

Steven Hodson will outlive us all. - Jason Kaneshiro

Shey, I think that the LakeShore corridor will be no more . Al that water melting to the will certainly fill up the lakes to..just not the sea levels !! @Hao, u got a point there.."the day after tomorrow" story :)- - Peter Dawson

@Jason ROFL - Shey

I guess I'm moving to Yellowknife, NT, though the south pacific looks like a better place - clarke

Shey: Exactly my point. The list ignores the first few factors, it concentrates heavily on - 'a healthy economy, few development and health challenges and excellent public institutions'. The counterpart to global warming is fiercer winters - not exactly great for agriculture. Low popln - won't people migrate in the event of an apocalypse?It ignores the dependence of the food cycle on plants and of plants on the sun. Most studies reveal the tropics as our best bet despite higher chances of imminent flooding. - Parth Awasthi

Some people are buying land along the projected Arctic shipping route. Others are investing in land assuming a 100-200+ ft water rise. - Mitchell Tsai

thats an interesting concept, new shipping lines across the Arctic, it will cut shipping cost from China to America :)- - Peter Dawson

Blogging. Fits my personality better. - Hutch Carpenter

Blogging. I don't like the choice though. - Michael C. Harris

Blogging because I like adding screenshots to my posts :D - Corvida via twhirl

Please define-blogging and microblogging? Why must we choose. They are both talking but in different ways. - Mark Forman

I micro-blog and blog haha Plus, there's the "read more after jump" option for people who don't like lengthy posts... - Mona N

easy - "microblogging" - b/c I can always write in journals or email... but Twitter rocks my world. - Lucretia Pruitt

uM - Brian Daniel Eisenberg

Writing. - Kirk Kittell

etching with silver nitrate. - Nathan Eckenrode

blogging - AJ Kohn

Flogos. http://www.livescience.com/str... - Lisa L. Seifert

I would say blogging, because I count micro-blogging as just a subset of blogging. Meaning...I have really made no choice at all. I still get to do both :) - Rahsheen Porter

Does FF participation count as micro-blogging? I participate in FF a lot more than my blog now. More convenient, easier to start a conversation and keep it going. No self-imposed timetable or post quota to keep up with to make sure enough people are interested in being part of my "audience" (it's built in with FF). Easier to interact with people and get more interaction back. Easier to find the answers to my questions. FF does all I really wanted out of blogging anyway. - Lindsay Donaghe

microblogging - Bjorn Tipling

Blogging. But I do both. - Chris Baskind

blogging - Steven Hodson

Podcasts. - Cote'

Don't make me choose! OK, I choose blogging. - Summer

Only blogging+microblogging! - Igor Poltavskiy

depends on my mood and what I want to say. it obv takes a lot less cognitive ability to microblog, but many more mainstream people read my blog. - Philip Ryan Johnson

@Lindsay Yeah I definitely agree. FF takes away a lot of my time that I would spend doing other things, that's why I've significantly cut my usage over the past couple weeks. - Shey

definitely would stay with blogging. I can live without things like Twitter. - Rob Diana

Definitely blogging. - Colin Walker via fftogo

If had known micro-blogging / lifestreaming would reach this level, I probably wouldn't blog at all - Charlie Anzman

I can always find time to micro-blog... - Rachel Beer

Micro blogging == FF? If FF posts supported more length, formatting and inclusion of media then blogging would disappear for most people - Brian Sullivan

blogging - Sarah Perez

wait no - micro-blogging - Sarah Perez

OMG - don't make me choose! - Sarah Perez

Easy... blogging. - Louis Gray

I don't think we have to or need to choose. Both are great for different things. - Tris Hussey via twhirl

more and more I am falling towards the micro blogging side. I sometimes think I should just get rid of my traditional blog. - (jeff)isageek

Since you did not mention IM, blogging, even though I do little of it, there are times a long public rant is needed for the psyche - Michael W. May via twhirl

Micro blogging doesn't exist. - Andru Edwards

Mini-blogging. Creating content while wearing a mini-skirt. - Andy C

98% of my blog's readers do not know what twitter is and they don't care. When I used twitter tools to publish an daily digest of my tweets, they hated it. So: The answer is Blogging. - Rick Powell

I agree with Lindsay. Post directly to FF. - Russellreno

I liked the show! All of you guys have great video presence, IMO. - J. Phil

Sounds Kick Ass! - Britney Mason

Thanks, J.Phil and Britney Mason! - John McCrea

John: would love to! - Robert Scoble

Robert: Sweet! How about July 17 (when we shoot Episode 2)? (11:00am, Mountain View) - John McCrea

Sounds good, send me details in email. scobleizer@gmail.com to get it on my calendar. - Robert Scoble

Now, now, Jeff. I mentioned in the article that I typically prefer native apps or Web apps to AIR apps, but this one is very interesting, at least to me. I dig it. - Louis Gray

im just trying to be funny...hehe good post btw. - (jeff)isageek

Wow, twhirlscope down -- gotta try this out - Shey

ah! and I was wondering why my twitter vanity search hit on that topic as I do not like the air apps. but grouping actually would be a reason to try it out. problem: as long as twitter decimates the request rates it is unreliable, but a first step in the right direction. will download it now ;) - Nicole Simon

I refresh often too - Judy Jones

F5 = crack - Hutch Carpenter

Welcome to da club? - Yuvi

"F5" LOL - Paul L. McCord Jr.

I find FF more interesting as well. - Globecode

I resent the implication that ever-refreshing FriendFeed is not constructive! - Marco

lol@Hutch Indeed - Shey

It's gotten so bad that I have to regulate myself. I use a plug-in for FireFox called Leechblock that you can use to limit your time during the work day.: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-... - Dan Kaplan

huh? F5 just blips my Mac's little sound level at me. - Thomas Hawk

@Thomas F5 = Command + R on a PC. Refresh. - Parth Awasthi

Yes, FF is the new internet addiction. F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5... - Tad Donaghe

The only way to solve this problem is for you people to post quicker ;) - Earl E Morningwood

Use LeechBlock, limit yourself to 5 minutes an hour, you won't be sorry. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-... - Jason Wehmhoener

@Jason you essentially just told Amy Winehouse she should check herself into rehab - how likely do you think we are to match your show of discipline? lol ; ) - Marco

At some point we just need FF to auto-refresh every second and include a pause button so we can stop the action to read stuff that catches our eyes. That would be pretty freaky, huh? - Tad Donaghe

it has been eating into my reading and sleeping time - RAPatton

What? Reading Friendfeed isn't constructive or creative? - Tom Landini

like right now, for example - Sarah Perez

Sometimes I interrupt what I'm doing (re-reading the manual for Twilight Struggle) just to check for new FriendFeed action. Totally addicted. - Akiva Moskovitz

I do that too. But now we're going to see the Incredible Hulk. - Robert Scoble

F5=Crack. Crack is Whack. Flickr = Crack. FF is the new Flickr. - Russellreno

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O... It helps if you don't notice the walls of the maze aren't very high and there are these people looking down on you. - Karim

RusselReno, I had to double-check to make sure that you weren't Steve Gillmor - Todd McKinney

@Todd rofl - Michael W. May via twhirl

+1 rofl for Todd. And good one Russell. - Hutch Carpenter

and sometimes you just can't help a 'likey' even thought you didn't click ... right? :) - Charlie Anzman

a bigger screen real estate could mitigate this problem - Ramesh Ramloll via twhirl

Yeah it's addictive :) - JegerPhil - Phil via NoiseRiver

Wait that's not normal??? - Mona N

FrF cries for TTS ;) - silpol

time consumption is simply the manual behavior. Get an auto refresher and save a micro second. ;) then again, if you want to remain aware, you have to read everything! - thecolor

use twhirl and updates come automatically to your desktop... no need of refresh, layout is awesome (discussions, etc) - Gustavo Munoz via twhirl

If we could get paid for using FriendFeed, wouldn't we all have our own private islands? - possible248

Tad: join our sect. I'll be your guru there! :) http://friendfeed.com/rooms/da... - directeur via NoiseRiver

Go go social graph. - Eric Florenzano

Again directeur - I support the movement, I'm just bored by it. Just make it work. ;) The internets is for dumping awesome into the truck of utility. - Tad Donaghe

Tad, I myself already using some of its techs in my products :) If you're a dev do so too, if not pass the message :) - directeur via NoiseRiver

One thing I was wondering along this same vein, are there ajax widgets or something that you could put on your blog/site and allow people to subscribe/follow/digg/stumble/whatever you in one click? Must I visit the actual site every time? - Rahsheen Porter

I'd LOVE That Rahsheen! That'd be an excellent intermediate step. I think too many sites are still too worried about attention focusing. They WANT you to visit their site to stroke their ego, ads, etc - Tad Donaghe

I don't see why something like this doesn't exist for all social sites. You are adding the person so that you can interact with them at a later time on that service, so they shouldn't care if you hit the site to add them as a "friend." The "+friend" buttons on Digg work exactly how I want, I would just rather them be on MY site and work for every social network. - Rahsheen Porter

I was just twitter-moaning the same thing when I saw this in FF, some of you want leaps and bounds, I'd be happy if I could just join a new network and have all my accounts/contacts automagically connected - Scott Bannon via twhirl

actually, it seemed like swurl did that automatically... - edythe

Ya, we do, check us out http://www.swurl.com/ We try to do as much magic as we can for you, computers are suppose to be smart aren't they? - Ryan Sit

i was just about to say, I dig that swurl and feedly just kind of did that. I haven't gotten on board with feedly yet but I like the concept. Find me. Don't make me find myself. - Jason Toney

it is my hope to built it... and then "they" will come :) - Larry via twhirl

I want a FireFox plugin that auto logs me in to all the websites I use. I think that would do a lot of good. It seems like this would be possible but no one has written one! - Stefan Hayden

I still think this is like asking GM to make your key fit in a Toyota, cause you only want to carry one key. Most of these services are competitors. No (successful) business makes it easier for you to move to a competitor. - Brian Norwood

Brian, one of the reasons I don't use more web services is exactly because I'm sick of signing up for them and manually re-adding all my friends. If sites want us to use them they can either better make it brain dead simple or offer a service so compelling that we're willing to do the hard stuff. For many competitors who don't offer something that much different, an auto-subscription thing that I'm talking about would allow them to attract many more users. - Tad Donaghe

Tad, I don't dispute the truth of your statement, or deny I suffer from sign-up fatigued as well. I'm just saying it doesn't fit any business model I've ever seen to help you easily move to a competitor. What we need is a third party service who keeps track of our info and our friends, then custom shoe horns that stuff into each new service that pops up. THAT would be handy. Open ID is too passive. What we need is a sign up SERVICE. - Brian Norwood

would love to be able to import all my flickr contacts, have them match up with FF accounts where possible and create imaginary friends for the rest which would be replaced by their actual accounts as they joined over time. - Thomas Hawk

Right Thomas - and you ought to be able to do that just by clicking a single button that says "Import my contacts." Or at the very least have a single button and a drop down - Import -> Flickr - Tad Donaghe

I really like swurl, haven't messed with feedly yet, but even with swurl I had to manually input all of my account names/URL's/etc. to bring everything together. It wasn't hard, but it wasn't automagic either. Brian mentioned OpenID as too passive, I disagree with that and think user data could be expanded to contain the social network connections you have, then when you join a new service with your OpenID that service could automagically grab everything for you in the background. I'm not pushing for OpenID as the answer, just saying that's one possibility that wouldn't be overwhelming to achieve. - Scott Bannon via twhirl

I was really impressed with how well swurl worked. - Jason Wehmhoener

concur on swurl doing that automatically via each service - doubt i'll live in it like tend to in ff but it is a cool environment - mike "glemak" dunn

I'm probably the only one who uses rather different sets of “friends” on each network. - Amit Patel

Isn't this what gnip is supposed to do? Also, about swurl -- I would say it's been working a LOT of magic, it added a TON of friends of mine on different services. Ryan - Could you consider some bulk-editing tools for the friends tab? Like "mute all people not on swurl", for example? - J. Phil

Agreed that swurl is fantastic behind the scenes once you enter in your account names/url's for each service... what I'd like to see though is a hubbed identity source so that when you join a new service you don't have to enter your FF username, your Twitter username, your FB feed url and etc. Just let me click "join" and find me--and my connections--everywhere. - Scott Bannon via twhirl

Also, if it gets too magical, you get a service like spokeo. It's kinda scary. - J. Phil