I reshare this to Ideas & Inspiration room :) These are so realistic!
- Kristian Salonen
I'm sorry but this is unbelievable:) I'll give credit to the artist upon more convincing proof! The photogenic look of the tiger and lion really helps the artist's case though:)
- Roney Smith
I'm with Roney... I find this hard to believe... or maybe I'm just jealous that I can't even get stick people right!
- Jasmin Smith
you cannot win on the interwebs. draw some crap it doesn't get noticed. draw something amazing in pencil and people say it's not real.
- Joe Breen
I'm really happy everyone liked these. They're my most liked entry to date, Thanks! There also seems to be some question about whether these are actually Pencil Drawings.I can assure you that they are.When I get home, I should have the links. I have more drawings, too.
- Michael Fidler
from fftogo
Thanks Enrique, I'll post some more soon. They are a little more obvious than these ones. As Luke points out; without being able to look closely it's impossible to tell. He's right; but up close it's more obvious. I'll upload the originals to Picasa later, and then you'll be able to zoom in with any photo viewer and see for yourselves. I can't believe how many people liked these. A few people have reposted them already. Thanks!
- Michael Fidler
Absolutely awesome, Michael. You are extremely talented. Everyone should repost these pix and help to make you famous. You should be doing this full time - you obviously have some passion for this. Bravo.
- Chris Loft
These are really beautiful, Michael. Do you sell them?
- Shannon Jiménez
Chris, I would love to say they're mine, but it's not true. I've had them for a while, but I'll find the artists names. It will just require a little backtracking. Besides, they deserve the credit; all I did was find them:-)
- Michael Fidler
Cut the bullshit! :) Photos are very good.
- Burçak Çubukçu
I draw alot in pencil, but they are amazing, the best for me is the girl, that is the most photo-like one. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I agree Rob, the girl is amazing. My favorite by far! Wait until you see it close up! It's really had to tell, even up close!
- Michael Fidler
Burçak Çubukçu If these were photographs, they would be very good. As Pencil Drawings,(which they are), they're amazing.
- Michael Fidler
@Burçak Çubukçu I can't tell if your serious now or just kidding around. I hope your just having fun! If you are serious, I've never given you a reason to question my integrity, nor do I ever intend to. However, the second set is up now, so judge them for yourself, but don't judge me! http://ff.im/1BJh5 BTW, I messed up and reposted the shot of the women again. Oh well. Hope you like them:-)
- Michael Fidler
@Michael: try deviantART, not Picasa, to submit your artworks
- LouCypher
WOW "I can't believe it's in pencil"
- sofarsoShawn
LouCypher, I know it well, but I don't see why I would want to do that. I hope everyone knows by now that they're not mine? I'm sorry, but I can't say it any clearer than that.
- Michael Fidler
nah, i don't believe it is done in pencil. i am sure it is photoshopped :)
- hasin hayder
I'm finding this both interesting and humorous at the same time. There's a separate message board where this post is being discussed and it has another forty comments on it already. I think its great how this has created some lively discussion, considering that when I posted this I was doubtful if anyone would even like it. When I went to sleep last night there was only had 3 or 4 likes...
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- Michael Fidler
Very interesting. I would like to see them up close and in person...just to make sure. Bill said it's real and possible. Your 2nd set of picts look like pencil. Nice work in finding these!
- LaFern Cusack
Kol, I can't thank you enough! Kol found another post which helps to prove that these are done in pencil. I had my doubts about a few of them because I collected them from several different sites over time, but the site Kol found has done a great job pulling together an impressive collection of these drawings and more. Take a look - http://www.flickzzz.com/2009...
- Michael Fidler
Actually there are more than what this site shows. There's an entire set with the cats(little cats), which I have, and there's a new portrait set.
- Michael Fidler
Found your post here, Michael. :-) I tried my best to find the artists.
- Kol Tregaskes
Amazing and very very very good.... Very impressive ...
- Linda Zeek-Bobinski
Yeah we know, thanks though, James. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Excellent pictures - how long did it take you to scan the photographs into Photoshop and then edit them? The only pencil that has come into contact with these "drawings" is the Photoshop pencil. A tip - stop trying to fool people into thinking you are a "real" artist, because all you are doing is cheapening proper artist's works whom have spent hours creating real pictures as opposed to a few minutes on a graphics editing package.
- The Wimp
A bell does ring here. And I am remembering why I was so attracted to the tiger...and the lion for that matter. These are exact replicas of prints I had in our bedroom when I lived in Dallas. I had bought the prints (in color) at a department store,
- Melanie Reed
Actually, I have learned quite a bit about these drawing since I made this post. Not only have I discovered all of the artists, but I've learned more about how they are created. They are always copied from a photograph or painting, but usually a photograph. It is extremely time consuming and detail orientated work. There are many other artists besides the ones featured here who practice...
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- Michael Fidler
Most of them have portfolio's on deviantart.com and their work is truly amazing even if they are copies of other artists work. I suppose with this level of detail, they have to start with something. Nevertheless, I'm still in awe of their talent. Melanie, the animal prints you refer to are from a very well renowned photographer. The originals are B&W I'll look it up later but I do have...
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- Michael Fidler
+102 for Bill Waterson references in picture Kevin or words Sinterclas
- Steve C
cute but what happened to festivus this year?
- Laura Norvig
Merry Christmas to the FriendFeed team. You guys rock! FriendFeed reacts quickly and you're adding wonderful features all the time (Thanks soooo much for the "edit" feature.)
- Mitchell Tsai
Happy Holidays FF crue -- you've made this an excellent and memorable year for many of us. Facebook couldn't have done it without you! :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
w00t you gave me the best online year in 15 years!!! ;p Thanks a lot, everyone, for what you've done here XD
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Sigh. Sometimes it is the little touches, like seasonal logos or easter eggs, that mark a site as a living project, and that you really miss when the developers have all moved on to something else.
- Michael R. Bernstein
"The Volkswagen Microbus is a classic - even to those of us born after its time. Arguably unlike the newly remade Beetle, this remake of a VW classic is remarkably true to the original on the outside - but on the inside it is a bio-diesel hybrid stuffed full of high tech gadgetry and eco-friendly innovations."
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
Super cool VW Bus making a comeback...
- Walt Ruppar
First of all, I'll cop to wanting one of these. That being said, Jason is right. This is for rich hippies (who probably aren't hippies at all). The VW microbus became the darling of the Flower Power crowd because it was cheap, easy to repair, and big. You could camp in it. Is there a car today that fits this bill?
- Chris Baskind
wow, you can buy an awful lot of pot with $129,000.
- Thomas Hawk
I don't know a self-respecting hippie that would prefer this over a really nice indoor greenhouse. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
@Chris, Most cars today aren't as simple, but with the wealth of knowledge online, it just takes more time. The minivan/SUV can become a camper van with a few mods. They'll never take the place of the VW, but they're an updated version of the 70s panelvan conversions (hopefully without shag carpeting & a disco-ball).
- Steven Cains
Nope: there will never be anything that simple again. That's not all bad: I can't imagine a 1960s VW Minibus would satisfy *any* federal safety standard these days. You're right. A used minivan might be the closest thing.
- Chris Baskind
Very Cool. You can't drive your house but, you can sleep in your Van !!!
- Eric Logan
Very intriguing. How much steel is in that thing? Chris, that would be my next question after fuel consumption: how safe is this thing? And I agree, when we can go back to making transportation that costs less than a small home, we may have achieved something amazing. ;)
- Melanie Reed
However, I have heard (and I'm not remembering where at the moment) that there has been a movement growing of people seeking alternative housing and substituting things like this as the new "mobile" home.
- Melanie Reed
Everyone is loving this! We should have an FF one and use it to travel to all the FFers around the World (like Pea seems to be doing ;-)). Hehe. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
cool idea, kol. the ff-stream of this tour would be alltheawe. just imagine the photos.
- esther ♥ ♫
I've owned 5 VWs, two of which were split window vans. I'd love to have another, this is awesome!
- Rick Bucich
from twhirl
I have had more VWs than other cars...starting with a 71 Superbeetle, and a Split Window Microbus. I would LOVE to have something like this.
- Kreg Steppe
Good for grandparents to visit grandchildren and children through the European continent (or another one as well)...nomadism-revival!
- Isabelle Ayel
wow i posted this a while back and now can't seem to find it for some reason. friendfeed's search function really sucks!
- Cee Bee
So after reading this article yesterday, I found myself this evening in front of a local place that specializes in reconditioning old VWs. It was closed, but there's an awesome red and white microbus out front with a For Sale sign on it. Ugly, underpowered -- and probably dangerous, by modern standards. Want. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
Cee, really? I find FF search is pretty good.
- Kol Tregaskes
I love this Mobile...owned a few Vdubs, lived in a VW camper, but this is off the hook..I would become a true nomad with this...
- bcultral
I'd like to have something like this, something small. What do you really need? A bed, perhaps a TV and room for your computer. Then you can live anywhere you like, in theory.
- Kol Tregaskes
Who is this Canadian designer Alexandre Verdier? Seems like he is on Facebook, Linked In but I can't seem to find anything else about him.
- Brian Sullivan
We had a wesvalia built Micro when I was a kid. I loved that thing. It was a little flimsily built; but boy it was perfect for my family of campers and road-tripping warriors. Too bad this one is so pricey
- Bill Rawlinson
Panda's are quite possibly the most absurd looking animal second only to the duck billed platypus. It is for this reason that I <3 dem.
- Geoff Schultz
Kungfu Panda is showing his sensitive side! :)
- imabonehead
Heavy pc and crt, ok, but the subwoofer too? You know how heavy those things are? This would work in space maybe.
- Josh Haley
And I wonder where it's getting powered from. Is there an extension cord behind him, or maybe he's got a generator attached to his feet?
- Costa Walcott
But which way would it point? Or should there be two, one aimed at his face, and one on the visor of his hat, to see what he can see?
- Ladybug Heather
It's a 'Trojan Horse'!! The hollowed out tower contains 8 Macbook Airs, 25 iPhones, a G1™[product placement by Google] and a handful of Newtons - just waiting to be deployed!
- Micah Wittman
There is a distinct lack of cup holder.
- Rochelle
True... where does the Mountain Dew go? Or coffee or Jolt Cola or whatever caffeinated substance he drinks?
- Ladybug Heather
Rochelle: thats what the CD Drive tray is for.
- Roberto Bonini
I can't say this is the first time I've posted these (probably not). But no major surprises. This also debunks Mona's comment previously that I didn't like her enough.
- Louis Gray
I am also glad that those I follow have a much lower percentage of activity coming from Twitter. Diversity FTW. (See Scoble for his example: http://friendfeed.com/e...)
- Louis Gray
Louis Gray doesn't find me interesting! sniff...first Scoble says I have no signal, now this. That's it, I quit the internet.
- Sarah Perez
Any one can game the system. Just go to Mona's feed and 'Like' every post. You aren't fooling anyone, Louis... Oh and Happy Festivus! ;)
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Hi Sarah, you're wrong. And guess what, your picture is going in my very next blog post!
- Louis Gray
Bump for the good times - remember when we had FriendFeed Stats? (Louis is a great database of FF history)
- Jesse Stay
I ranked # 1. Those were the days :)
- Mike Fruchter
Now, now, Jeff. I mentioned in the article that I typically prefer native apps or Web apps to AIR apps, but this one is very interesting, at least to me. I dig it.
- Louis Gray
im just trying to be funny...hehe good post btw.
- (jeff)isageek
ah! and I was wondering why my twitter vanity search hit on that topic as I do not like the air apps. but grouping actually would be a reason to try it out. problem: as long as twitter decimates the request rates it is unreliable, but a first step in the right direction. will download it now ;)
- Nicole Simon
Louis, I think you're right - there is still innovation happening around Twitter, fortunately. The fact is there is still a huge audience on Twitter and that audience still has the potential to be monetized. I'm even building something around Twitter at the moment. There is still that threat though, that developers could leave if Twitter keeps neglecting them - it's in the back of the mind
- Jesse Stay
"feels" like Twhirl. Wish it had FF support...if it does it wasn't obvious from the website. I agree with others that I'd really like to see these Adobe air apps with some better skins
- Rob Neville
from twhirl
"Now, now, Jeff. I mentioned in the article that I typically prefer native apps or Web apps to AIR apps, but this one is very interesting, at least to me." - That's part of why I like the platform so much. Most people like native apps but AIR apps are pretty easy to build so there's bound to be a few that people really like. (Ryan - rstewart@adobe.com)
- Ryan Stewart
totally got a cool idea for new schwag... two items: for new Moms, a friend feed shirt with slots for easy feeding of infants... and for new Pops like Louis, nipple with bottle attachment inserts with one nipple coming out of the first f and the second nipple coming out of the second d... saweet!
- Rob Reed
FF schwag and twins! best picture of the day!
- Sarah Perez
Mega awesome ;) Congratulations to you and your family, like the Friendfeed t-shirt ;)
- Mario Olckers
Tiny... little... eentsy... lumps of yum. There, my estrogen has officially shown itself.
- Carla Thompson
No way - they have FF onesies??? How do I get my hands on one of those?
- Jesse Stay
The Gray family Babies!!!! Sarah and Mathew look sooo cute in your arms! and sooo tiny my goodness!!... still LOL @ Rob's wacky comment..whoa!
- Susan Beebe
We have received numerous reports of excessive FriendFeed posts showing up in Facebook this evening. While we are not 100% sure, it appears to be an issue on Facebook's end due to ignoring application settings. We have disabled all FriendFeed updates to Facebook until we are sure the problem is resolved.
See http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... for more information - it seems to also have impacted Twitter's Facebook app. Again, we are not sure if it is a problem on our end or not, but we are investigating now.
- Bret Taylor
Thanks Bret! FWIW when I checked the FF app settings in FB they were not the same options as I saw when I first set the app up.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
my freindfeed application is not working on facebook, and fr rest of..
- Madhav Tripathi
Click. Flip a switch and that's it. You guys rule.
- Pete Delucchi
Thanks, Bret. I've disabled it on my FB page and hope that cures what ails me. Appreciate the FF peeps being on top of it.
- Derrick
Yet another reason I'm happy I don't have a FaceBook. :P
- Trey Crossan
Good thing I only posted once to Twitter tonight. The duplication only happened once. Thanks for letting me know.
- Louis Gray
No problem, if I knew it was on your end, I wouldn't have cared, but thanks for letting me know about the situation. I was confused because it happened right as I was trying out a new twitter game. This was compounded by the fact that the game has no controls for turning off public messages. I'll bet they plan to add them later, but right now they want everyone to hear about it. It’s a...
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- Michael Fidler
So, is it fixed?Every tweet, every everything is showing up as individual news feed posts for all my friends, this is too much and I'm likely to piss them all off. Options ... 1.Stop tweeting etc. 2.Ditch the FF Facebook application. Hmmm, it's a no brainer. Anyone got any updates on this?
- Michael M Bailey
Lots of folks saying the Google Chrome logo "makes them want to play Simon" - LOL
- Susan Beebe
to me it looks like how a non-computer-using artist type would design a trackball -- either that or they are trying to get a HAL vibe without creeping everyone out
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Uh-oh, Google, you've been caught with your hand in the electronics bin!
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
I got my son a travel version of Simon, so there's at least one kid who's seen it. (He needs hand-eye coordination practice.) This does seem very, very similar.
- Kisha, Well Conditioned
from BuddyFeed
GReader, if and when it supports RSSCloud, will deliver blog posts to subscribers immediately after they are published if they are published through RSSCloud.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
does that make sense? right now you subscribe to a blog's feed in GReader and GReader checks the RSS feed like once every 30 mins. Depending on the feed, sometimes it only checks once a week if you're the only person subbed to it. With RSSCloud, GReader could act like an Instant Messaging client for you and be told, thus telling you, the moment a new post is available.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Right -- Google Reader would be instant, like Twitter and FriendFeed are.
- Dave Winer
OK - but I thought Google/Feedburner were firmly behind PubSubHubbub that isn't fully rolled out yet either. Are these protocols complimentary or competing ?
- Andy C
+1 Andy C agree its getting confusing
- Kim Landwehr
Ultimately they'll have to decide whether they want to give features to their users. I supported Atom in River2 in less than a day. It won't take them much longer to support rssCloud.
- Dave Winer
makes me think that Google owning both the dominant feed publishing service and the dominant feed reading service probably isn't very good for the feed ecosystem.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Marshall, this gives them the opportunity to prove that it's not a problem.
- Dave Winer
@Steve - seriously - when has Google done anything serious beyond its obsession with search based ad placement?
- Dennis Howlett
supporting Pubsubhubbub was a good start, rssCloud a good next step
- Steve Gillmor
@dahowlett Google does a lot of serious stuff: gmail, google apps for domains (incl enterprise search appliances), deeply serious stuff around power usages/management for their own datacenters (and even more serious BigTable & the other underlying technologies within those datacenters), Google Earth & Maps (incl the massive effort to get Streetview data), Google Books & the scanning...
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- Shannon Clark
Rss Cloud discussion. Interesting stuff...
- kevin fitts
Glad to see you pushing Dave - Congrats on getting Matt/Wordpress onboard.
- PXLated
I don't understand: why RSSCloud over Pubsubhubbub? You can talk about "choice" and push Google to support RSSCloud, but if there's no real difference between the two, the market can't differentiate and there isn't going to be a real choice. Like right now, I'm asking why didn't Dave Winer and Automattic get on board with Pubsubhubbub? What's the material benefit for pushing RSSCloud instead?
- Mark Trapp
Fine. It's the other way around. When they decided to implement realtime feeds, why did they invent something new? RSS already provided for it. Since 2001. So bring this argument to them. Thanks.
- Dave Winer
BTW, to be clear, I don't have any issue with the Google guys who did Pubsubhubub, just with arguments like this that get their chronology backwards.
- Dave Winer
You didn't really answer the question, Dave. Is there a material difference between Pubsubhubbub and RSSCloud such that RSSCloud is better? Why would I choose RSSCloud over Pubsubhubbub, or vice versa? All I know right now is that there's one standard that's supported by Google, and one that's supported by you and Automattic. Why shouldn't I go with Google's version? It reads like Blu-Ray vs. HD DVD
- Mark Trapp
Mark, I stated a few reasons as well here: http://staynalive.com/article... - but frankly, Dave was first. Google's a bigCo. Dave's isn't tied to a bigCo. I think his is more appealing because of that. I'll support both though until I see wider adoption.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: Dave's version might've been first, but the one that seems to have gotten wide adoption first was Google's. So when that happened, why fight it? I'm assuming there's a good reason why RSSCloud is better: being technically first doesn't seem like a good enough reason. I do see the part about 24 hour expiry: I'd have to think about that some more. Seems like something easily added to PubSubHubbub, though: and doesn't seem like enough to keep two competing specs alive.
- Mark Trapp
rssCloud is a done deal. Mark, you should take your own advice and stop fighting.
- Dave Winer
What happened to the Hide command in FriendFeed? This thread is so over, totally needs to be hidden.
- Dave Winer
All I'm asking is for some information on why there are two seemingly competing specs and which spec one should one adopt, Dave. If you can't deign yourself to provide that information, by all means ignore or block me: perhaps someone besides you who gets the difference between the two can fill in the rest of us mere mortals on what the concrete differences between the two specs are.
- Mark Trapp
@Jesse: This is why - 'This thread is so over, totally needs to be hidden.'
- Andy C
Andy, I agree with him - this is a dumb argument.
- Jesse Stay
It's not a dumb argument, but one that should be rendered moot by Google supporting rssCloud
- Steve Gillmor
Dave, it's right next to Comment, Like, and Share... Hide is the one on the right... no your other right
- Chris Heath
Does this mean I won't need Sudar's Post to FriendFeed plugin for WordPress?
- Skyler Call
Anyone remembers VHS vs. Betamax? Nowadays willy whacking is sooo last century, isn't it?
- Sebastian
wasn't vhx vs betamax settled by the adult film industry?
- Chris Heath
Prolly many adult entertainment services have implemented PuSH spreading near real time smut moments before supporting rssCloud. Why miss out on any opportunity?
- Sebastian
Regarding Jesse's argument that "Dave was first" is sufficient justification for preferring RSSCloud, it was dead for more than five years and implemented by no one. When he chose to take it out of mothballs, PSHB was implemented by Google and others. His choice to revive RSSCloud has splintered pub-sub support into two efforts and a lot of programmers will now be asked to support both. I'm not clear on the benefit either.
- Rogers Cadenhead
Eventually it boils down to wether you reader app implemented enough real-time "clients". An easy option for this is to use Superfeedr, since we have implemented MANY of them... and we push forward the content to your reader.
- Julien
"Mint.com’s offerings are the best online I’ve found, and Quicken needed to get the product to stay relevant in this space. I hope they maintain the Mint.com brand, but these things rarely work out the way I want them to."
- Louis Gray
I still can not believe people will put financial info out in the cloud and lose control over it. mint.com is a great site. Why don't you put all your personal medical info on Google's medical database?
- earl wallace
from twhirl
ugh, I don't like this. I bailed on Intuit's products for mint in part because Intuit's integration with other services sucked. I hope they don't destroy it.
- Bill Kinney
Bill, on TechCrunch they have an update stating that the Mint team is going to be in charge of Mint and Quicken Online. They may even get responsibility for other Quicken personal finance software.
- Rob Diana
Benjamin: The juices in Belize are amazing. They make fresh juices at road stands, and fill used 1 liter Sprite/Coke bottles. Water is amazing. Sharks and rays swam through our legs. So used to tourists, you can touch them. Budget place for water stuff (as is the Red Sea - around Egypt & Sinai Peninsula). Egypt was 10 Euro for an 8-hr boat ride (including lunch & snorkel gear). Forget how much Belize was...
- Mitchell Tsai
I had such a GREAT time in Belize a few years back! What a great trip. Have a most excellent time Benjamin! Be sure to check out "Dready's" on Ambergris Caye and stay away from the kids who feed chickens to 25' crocs! :D
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Love the of the Blue hole, my home country Belize
- jamar78
Joel: What are your suggestions for Benjamin?
- Mitchell Tsai
We are only going to be there for 1 day (part of a cruise)
- Benjamin Golub
I would definitely visit Altun-Ha, a Mayan Ruin.
- jamar78
Joel: How does Altun-Ha compare to Caracol? I went to Caracol a few years ago. Met a guy from Houston who grew up there and never knew it was a Maya ruin until it appeared on the news ~5-8 yrs ago - "Hey, that's my hometown."
- Mitchell Tsai
I grew up in Belize City, I prefer Altun-ha
- jamar78
Thanks Joel! I'll check out Altun-ha next time I'm in Belize also. Have you visited Tikal or any of the Mayan sites in Guatemala? I was thinking about visiting Tikal last visit, but did the closer Caracol instead. When I visited Caracol, it had only been excavated for 2-3 years, so it was new..
- Mitchell Tsai
Unfortunately I haven't had the chance to do so. Have you ever been to the Belize Zoo?
- jamar78
That's what open microblogger should be. Twitter should be an implementation of that, not the other way around. It should be decentralized OR they should get their act together OR they should be purchased by someone who will.
- Louis Gray
love the background Louis...the number of people that must have tried clicking on your dock...(including me). :)
- Zee.
TweetDeck is still working for me though
- Sarah Perez
503s have been driving me nuts, too. FF seems to have enough of a user base to keep us amused without getting bogged down/timing out/crashing.
- Jolie O'Dell
people are looting stores around the world in protest
- Allen Stern
I don't know about you guys, but I constantly have the phrase "We're having an earthqu-" typed into my Twitter box so I can be first to post it just by hitting return.
- Louis Gray
Jesse, I'm trying to pick on the framework underneath. But, I actually don't know if they're still messing with Rails.
- Jason Nunnelley
Twitter's problem is an issue of priority, if you consider their downtime a failure. I don't. I think it's working out just fine for them. The more they go down, the more people realize they're addicted and continue to use the service. They've almost proven downtime doesn't hurt growth.
- Jason Nunnelley
Jason, I think that's a mistake for them to have that attitude. I use Twitter less and less the more they go down, and the more of these shenanigans they keep pulling, both as a developer and user
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, not to be a jerk (and I know I'm a broken record), but I assure you they don't care.
- Jason Nunnelley
Jason, that's okay - I'm a broken record in trying to get them to care. :-) I do know they're listening though (I've been on a panel with Doug Williams and Ryan Sarver, and chat with Alex and others frequently via e-mail), and they'll apply the things that make the most sense to them, or at least that they're allowed to implement by management and their investors.
- Jesse Stay
My hope is my "complaints" are constructive though. I've included a lot of information and suggestions with those complaints, so they can take them as they please - it's not my business in the end, but I'll share the knowledge I have at least.
- Jesse Stay
Maybe I should use the Twitter page less and TweetDeck or Seesmic more...
- Dennis Jernberg
Dennis, it's an API vs. web interface toss up. There's no doubt their biggest problem is with the web interface, but I've had API fail also. So long as you just want to read tweets, the API seems to be the best route, meaning Seesmic/TweetDeck, etc. seem to work best.
- Jason Nunnelley
would be nice to have it as an OpenID as well ;) and have it really open, not owned/authored by a for-profit organization..
- Yaroslav Nikolaev
OpenID+. Having a site that (a) function as OpenID provider, (b) contains information about you (e.g. department, contact details) that _you_ are in control of (i.e. edit/hide), (c) can autogenerate your publication list, and (d) allows you to manually add other contributions to the advancement of science (e.g. open source projects). We'd need the backing of one or more major publishers, but stranger things have happened. Can't we set something up like that?
- Jan Aerts
Sounds like a good idea. One ID to rule them all....
- Allyson Lister
+1 Jan. Between OpenID and the auto-publication-list generators at places like Nature Network and BioMedExperts, it seems like most of the necessary functionality exists, just not in one place.
- Bill Hooker
There are initial investigations being made (certainly within the field of publishing and the library community) towards institutional identifiers which may well be easier to handle than trying to do the individual author identifiers.
- Jill O'Neill
But institutional identifiers alone will not work. I've moved quite a few times and saw that people still try to contact me on the email address from two jobs back, because that was the email of the "corresponding author".
- Jan Aerts
Would it help if journals suggested to authors that they include their OpenID with their address details, if they have one? That should be pretty easy to do.
- Maxine
Maxine: Yes ! That would be great ! It would be nice to see that OpenID just like we can see the DOI of the paper ! This would motivate the other publishers to do this !
- Pierre Lindenbaum
Maxine: Yes, yes, yes! That would be absolutely brilliant! Are Rafael, Simon, and Peter (or Bora) about? This might actually work!
- Cameron Neylon
I'm not a guru about OpenID. Can it be then used later to find the publications/geoloc/social networks ?
- Pierre Lindenbaum
In the medium term I agree with Maxine: let journals suggest to authors to include their OpenID. But I'm also with Deepak's comment in the "related entry": we should separate our author ID from our general online identity. I'm still brooding on how this all could be incorporated into a system where you as a researcher can update your scientific contributions yourself in a central place...
- Jan Aerts
Pierre: I suppose you still need a central website/database, like researcherID.com for example (I know: not open and stuff...). Ideally you'd log in using an OpenID which would also be your researcherID. Even better: the system could function as an OpenID provider itself (that would keep your scientific identity separate from your general online identity). But the website would then have all functionality to find publications/geoloc/social networks. Am I (a) kicking in open doors or (b) making no sense?
- Jan Aerts
Jan: That makes sense. Of course it would be great if the NCBI could be this OpenId provider (well, at least for the biologists... )
- Pierre Lindenbaum
Pierre: NCBI could indeed be an OpenID provider, but it should be limited to that. We need a separate entity doing the publication/geo... functionality. This is important enough that it should be the core function of the entity providing it. Also: would be nice if we could add contributions like "have helped in discussion about blabla on FriendFeed" :-). (Or is that "distracted discussion from blabla")
- Jan Aerts
All you really need is a unique identifier - it could be an openid or it could be a random string. The advantage of openid is that it acts as a pointer to a service which treats you as a resource. Services can then connect that to any other information that is available. The other advantage of openid is that the provider is completely irrelevant - it can be anybody from the journal to NCBI to an institution to a third party. You're never tied into one provider.
- Cameron Neylon
I'll say there was an interesting meeting early this year sponsored by CNI to bring publishers, A&I vendors (like Thompson Scientific), library reps (including OCLC and LIbrary of Congress), and others with interest in this to talk about it. OpenID was mentioned but many publishers and vendors already have their own (internal and not eager to share) identification systems. I'm not sure if anything definite came out of that meeting unfortunately (and I was there).
- Sarah
Maxine, if you get this proposal rolling, your name will be legion :)
- Neil Saunders
Sarah - quite a few of these points were made in the EMBO piece at the link. In fact, probably the article is a report arising from that meeting - though there is not much information of that sort, or about the author, there (ironically!). I will ask about the "display openID" and get back to you - will not be instant because one person is away until new year, but I won't forget.
- Maxine
BTW there has been a lot of discussion on this in Nature over the years too - since 2006 when I started the author blog I have attempted to capture the discussion there, see: http://blogs.nature.com/nautilu... (includes Raf's correspondence in fact).
- Maxine
@Chris : in my view, this central repository (CrossRef/NCBI?) would associate this ID with a FOAF file containing all the information you want to publicity release :, your interests, your web accounts, your contacts, your publications....
- Pierre Lindenbaum
Yes, sounds good Pierre. According to the EMBO article at the link and various others, one issue is all the world's registration systems recognising the ID. Other issues, also. As we mentioned in another thread very recently, I am following up on this and it is on the agenda of a wider discussion about authorship and related issues that is going on between various journals - I will keep people posted with what I hear.
- Maxine
One major problem with setting up UAIDs seems to be the identification of a single provider of these IDs, and the monopoly that would result from it. So I feel like asking a provocative question: does one really need to have only one UAID provider ? When nucleotide databases were started, new sequences were communicated either to EMBL or Genbank, or even to other, more specialised,...
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- Etienne Joly
"Twistory supports Thunderbird, Google Calendar, Apple's iCal, and any other application that supports feeds using the iCalendar format. This means you can even download your Twitter posts to Microsoft Outlook or any other Web service you use to keep yourself organized. The service stays on top of your Twitter feed and adds your new tweets instantly, so it's not a one-time export that you have to repeat every time you say something new."
- LANjackal
from Bookmarklet
Would be nice for it to not be web-based. Or rather: Would be nice if someone makes some sort of script equivalent that could be run to create an ical file or something.
- Jalada
@jalada: It actually does that. Sign up and see, an iCal file is one of the output options
- LANjackal
from IM
however it's still web-based, e.g. Twistory are trawling my tweets, rather than something I'm running myself on my machine
- Jalada
from IM
Hmmm well I've added the calendar feed to GCal, but nothing's showing up. It's not working for me on this end :(
- LANjackal
It's working now. Guess it took a while to import all my Tweets :)
- LANjackal
I had is for some months, but it laid a heavy load on the functioning of iCal. And I realized I never ever read them back or something. It was just cool it exists.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
Twistory archiving of your Twitter updates to e.g. GoogleCalendar is better than nothing, though I find that the lack of back-link to the original Twitter status, as well as any links in the tweet not being clickable from the pop-up view in GCal are a major drawback. I have been importing my tweets into Tumblr (via the RSS feed), and it solves those two issues, though it's definitely...
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- Alex Schleber
Is there another way to sort/search my own Friendfeed (or Twitter) by date? I have Friendfeed going to Twitter, then Twistory, then Google Calendar already, but it skips some days.
- Kamilah Gill
Great, I wish emails can be sorted out this way.
- TrafficBug
I've been using this for a while now and overall its pretty good, but then sometimes it just randomly stops working for a day or more. Probably a symptom of being a web-based product.
- LuluGirl896
from Viigo
I have used this for about a year, intersting to go back.
- Sean Oliver
Importing Tweets into GCal will be very useful. Now my public Calendar will be updated, as well as a hard copy synced to my iPhone calendar :)
- CannonGod
Yeah, this is a bit of a storm in a teacup, the ad was hardly "controversial". The result of this is more an example of how much noise a bunch of bloggers and twitters can make. Sure, it's not a great ad, but really, you want to take a company to task for this? One of the major amplifiers in this case was a lot of social media experts and SMORES commenting on it during providing a very...
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- karl
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
What a shame that Motrin didn't seize this opportunity to connect with their customers via social media and make themselves transparent and open to communication. What a great example this is for me and other companies who want to connect with present, past and future customers! We http://www.heponline.com/ are very much into open communication on sites like twitter, facebook & friendfeed! Thanks for the post.
- Janet Crance
Looks like a great idea! On a side note, tho — I'm always a little annoyed that iPhone app sites aren't optimized for mobile (iPhone Safari, at least) display.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
from iPhone
please don't laugh at me guys, just opened my first iphone but I cannot even make a call or anything, I get no service. Do I have to call o2?
- Mark
Been using it, and it rocks. you will all enjoy.
- Scott Klauminzer
My6Sense is another really interesting app, but remains iPhone only. I know we're seeing a variety of apps like that. The same holds in reverse for Blackberry only apps. I wish there was a better mix of cross platform tools so we could use the same ones on our Blackberries and iPods. Not likely any time soon.
- Ken Camp
Mark: the iPhone should already have a sim in it but if it doesn't you need a small paper clip to open the iPhone drawer at the top of the phone.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Ken: they will port it eventually. Picking one platform to develop on makes sense.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
thanks Rob! Had to insert sim card myself but the iphone manual "Finger Tips" doesn't actually tell you how ;P P.S sorry for hijacking your thread, but im excited to make my first post on my iphone on friendfeed
- Mark
They have a mobile web version that predates the iPhone native app. iphone.my6sense.com, so it should be no trouble to add platforms
- Scott Klauminzer
iphone.my6sense.com is great. Can't wait to see the app.
- metalerik
When/will it be available in the app store?
- Amir
Amir: We're shooting for a release on Thursday, but ultimately it's up to the App Store's approval process (which is unpredictable to say the least).
- Brian Remmel
Robert, I'm not sure I agree they will port it. I agree they've made those noises, but in reality, there are *very* few companies porting anything between iPhone and BB. And by the time they get too it, my take is that it will be to catch up to a competitor who's beat them to other platform (in the case of porting either direction). Competition is the driver really. And losing face or...
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- Ken Camp
Scott: I know they have a web version. I use a Blackberry, and any web version of any service is useless in general. The browser is the weakest link in Blackberry. Functional but not strong at all.
- Ken Camp
Damnit, I got beat to the punch once again. Another breed of relevant personal search powered by our browsing
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
people-powered search has a lot to be said for it... harder to game the system than google...
- Fred Davis
Looking forward to loading this. Have to many "feeds" apps on my iPhone. Hope this means I can reduce them to something workable.
- Jamie Craig
from Nambu
Jamie: Will be available soon - hope you enjoy it!
- Barak Hachamov
Just checked their site out, it looks sensational. I'll probably buy although I have just forked out of a NewsReader last week which, I have to say I'm completely delighted with, "RSS Flash G." The lack of a landscape browser in NNW just proved too much to bear but I'm glad in a way because without that irritant I wouldn't have found RSSFlashG. RSSFlashG is a very feature rich...
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- JSLeFanu
David: THANKS! you don't need to buy it. It will be for free. We will add more features in the next version.
- Barak Hachamov
I'm surprised to find out that my Digital Intuition is hot, but also has an annoying voice :(
- Tech Introvert
Barak, even better. TBH the app store is so insanely competitive in terms of pricing I don't mind paying for the good stuff. I don't t begrudge RSSFLASHG people the €3.99 for the app (I actually consider it to be worth more). My issue with the appstore is all the useless stuff I've bought. The stuff I actually do use is, if anything, cheaper than it should be and at the same time I've...
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- JSLeFanu
I am trying my6sense out right now, but it's making me really nervous to enter passwords for all my social media accounts.
- Scott Magoon
Scott, please keep us posted on how it goes. Btw, I'm guessing you have a preview copy or else it has hit the app store in your part of the world a deal more quickly than it has over here in Ireland.
- JSLeFanu
Anymore news on this anyone? Scott did you overcome your concerns about feeding this app your Social Networking codes? It's a concern I didn't even have until you raised it so I've been checking back here to see how you got on? Is your silence indicative of a disaster, or is your mind now at peace with the world again on this issue, and if so why?
- JSLeFanu
from BuddyFeed
David, I did not overcome my concern about typing so many logins into My6sense. I abandoned the setup process. Also, I wasn't using the app, but accessing the mobile page (iphone.my6sense.com) via my iPod touch. Maybe it shouldn't bother me so much, but that Twitter stolen documents thing has made me nervous.
- Scott Magoon
Scott thanks for the response. I'd be interested to know what type of reassurance someone like Barak could provide that would make you more comfortable about this? I suppose that's a question that applies to users like you and developers like the My6Sense people. This looks like an app for the geekiest among us and, no offense, you're probably, like most people on FF, geeky. So you're...
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- JSLeFanu
from BuddyFeed
Tech Introvert: Well, I'm your digital intuition....so thanks! But that is not my real voice...it's pitched higher than usual :-) Didn't you watch the interview with Scoble?
- Ilana Gurman
Scott, David: thanks for bringing this up. We'll actually be converting to the OAuth Protocol in just a couple of weeks (although our current database securely holds your SN credentials, no worries) so this will help you to feel more comfortable about accessing your social streams and/or sharing messages on them via my6sense. Regardless, you can enjoy the service by adding regular RSS...
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- Barak Hachamov
Barak thanks for the response. I guess "OAuth Protocol" is a good thing (frankly I haven't a clue) but I don't know how bad a thing no OAuth Protocol actually is. I'll be downloading the app in any case and, depending on what, if any, further information attaches to this discussion, and my own level of paranoia on the day, I'll be signing up for some, or all, of the service. I'm...
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- JSLeFanu
any update on this application. I've been checking into AppStore every day or two since and still no sign. I know the approval process can be drawn out but the overshoot on my6sense eta is mega at this stage.
- JSLeFanu
from BuddyFeed
David: Thanks for checking in. We're still pending approval but do expect it to happen any day now. As @dhrac would say, "they're testing our buddha skills" ;) Frustrating as it is, we're exercising a great amount of patience and we look forward to delivering digital intuition your way..! Will keep you posted :-)
- Ilana Gurman
from email
Ilana, thanks for getting back on us on that, best if luck and I hope they upload it soon.
- JSLeFanu
I'm pleased to be first with the news my6sense has landed in the app store, at least in the Ireland AppStore anyway. Just downloaded it now. Don't know if I'll get a chance to play with it for a while but for those who are interested it's there waiting for you.
- JSLeFanu
Thank you David! We are super excited about this. We actually planned on officially notifying everyone tomorrow so we could get in a bit more testing in...Hope you enjoy it, and please please get in touch with your feedback!! Cheers :-)
- Ilana Gurman
in my view, any and every tattoo is deplorable, rather disgusting para-culture .. where did it start? in prison, with gangs? ... and tattoo on a lady is doubly questionable, and unelegant ... I mean, where is this world going to?
- Petr Buben
Petr - tattoos can be beautiful works of art, it's just that they often are not.
- Sparky
Petr, tattoos have been around as long as man. Tattoos have been found on mummified bodies from as early as neolithic times and present in cultures around the world. These are awesome though! I love bad tattoos :)
- Jason
Petr, you are very judgmental and I'm not just talking about this thread. You need to relax a little.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I am judgmental, yes ... relaxed,also ... was it over the line what I said about tattooes? ..../////. IF the comment was over the rules, would the esteemed author of the post please delete it :] other than that, thank you for the advice :]
- Petr Buben
This book is available for the Kindle. Seems like the pictures would be the main draw, and I don't find that the Kindle is all that great for pictures, at least illustrations. Anyone have the Kindle version want to comment?
- Andy Bakun
Annother cool innovation at Gnomedex: everyone has a little card. You drop it on the Microsoft Surface table. Then you can drag your contact info to other people's cards. It is badge sex. A lot more fun than business cards.
- Robert Scoble
depends on how much longer FF sticks around for...
- Kim
Chris subscribed to ya! Mahalo! David - I DO! I tell them at least once a day to join me here for a more in depth conversation. I even stopped one conversation cold this morning and told him it belonged here not on Twitter.
- Arleen Anderson
Kim - sadly it is a concern. I just see FB messing up FF in the future... and people don't want to keep jumping networks.
- Arleen Anderson
I so agree! Tired of Twitter Twissues!
- Jeff Hurt
FriendFeed is a MUCH better communication arena, but it's just not as "catchy". Very little customization.
- Nick Armstrong
Okay let's go get everybody HERE where we can have real discussions... then we can plan our Long Term strategy for Citizen Journalism! They won't do away with this FF for at least a few months!
- Arleen Anderson
All ideas for saving a FF like community (or if we must plan a mass migration) post HERE!
- Arleen Anderson
yeah FF is cool, hope it doesn't change now that FB bought it, hope it gets better...not sure why twitter keeps going down,but FF seems more reliable&works w/twhirl, FB doesn't
- Patty
from twhirl
At least we have each other here... @ least 4 the time being on FF... How're you, Arleen?
- CarolAnnB
Oh Me 2. I feel like I'm to loud for the small room. LOL
- Carol Rambo
...maybe Twitter's just gotten too big to be supported by just one company? imagine if all telecom service was run by just AT&T. Twitter needs legitimate competition, so that it's millions of users (and growing) don't constantly get inconenienced by inevitable systems problems, hacker attacks, etc.
- .LAG liked that
I believe it will be a bi difficult to get everyone over here...Worth a shot though. We ARE going to need to make a change since it seems that Twitter is impotent in running a dependable service.
- Alonis
This has been bugging me today too, Arleen. Of course the last time it wasn't an issue with them so much as it was an outside attack upon their servers.
- Harold Paxton
Patty, CarolAnn, Carol, Lag, Alonis... we have a finite (and unknown) amount of time to DO something. FF has a simple reliable platform that works well for connection and discussion. But, w/ FB it will eventually be integrated and get cumbersome like FB is! So... we need something else ya? What do you really want/need most in a network community? These guys only care about real time search and how much $$$ they get for that.
- Arleen Anderson
Mahalo Arleen, yes I do believe we need a better platform, this is why I do jump in with both feet on some of the app's. I'm always looking. I do have a lot of tech's that I follow as do you. I'm interested, if you find better, you will let us know, right? LOL
- Carol Rambo
FF seems like the best alternative right now to twitter,as long as it doesn't change,not sure what else is out there similar to twitter
- Patty
from twhirl
I hang my head in shame as I bounced over to Twitter the minute it was up... problem is: though I ADORE and value the awesome conversations with you here... there are others I don't want to ignore on Twitter... so split... damn FB for buying FF!
- Arleen Anderson
Okay, I'm kind of feeling like a Yo-Yo with twitter today.
- Harold Paxton
Why Harold! Are you a Twitter Yo-Yo or a Twitter Ho?? *giggle*
- Arleen Anderson
I'm trying to use friendfeed for the week and seeing how it works out. I just wish there was more apps for it.
- Robert Alex
LOL Thanks a lot, Arleen! I think I may be both!! Looks like Twitter is working on the web side of things for me. but the tweetdeck is problematic.
- Harold Paxton
Robert I found with the grouping ability and the discussion threads - there's no need for much in the way of user apps here. It's so simple clean and USABLE! Do use the grouping features both for "friends" and "Groups" and have fun with real discussions you can follow! Harold, TweetDeck doesn't work w/ my follower count. I tweet via the Web!
- Arleen Anderson
Thanks for the advice to, Robert, Arleen. That's helpful for me too!
- Harold Paxton
Do you have any groups you recommend?
- Harold Paxton
Harold, I'm in te Hawaii group of course to see my local Ohana! And with the BlackBerry group cause I have one, and with Backlink free and Audiophile... but those are just my personal interests. I also like tech stuff but am in many on Facebook. I organized my friends here in groups depending on what they talk about most.
- Arleen Anderson
I do enjoy the groups feature a lot. That only may get me to switch.
- Robert Alex
Okay. Thanks, Arleen. I appreciate the info :-)
- Harold Paxton
So Robert is asking people if they're leaving FF. Without a plan guys we got same 'ol same 'ol... so WHAT is important to you??
- Arleen Anderson
Roger that Arleen, signed up 15 minutes ago as "backup." I echo your sentiments exactly.
- Paul Roberts
FF more important to me as aggregator of my other content but as Twitter has issues I'm liking the communication interface I think twitter still be my primary
- WarLord
I am a member but haven't really used this too much. Does it work like Twitter?
- Beverly Monical
Beverly, yes, but with threads and no whales.
- Marco Neves
Yeah, FriendFeed is so much faster in posting, too. I love it. Let's start the next wave in social media! Twitter has jumped the shark. :)
- LisaGemini
"We Still Have Plurk!" Hahahahahahahahha!
- Hugh McCallion
Hysterical! (At first I thought this (FB swallowing FF) was bad for Twitter - but maybe Twitter will end up the real winner. (Such a depressing thought.)
- Matthew Blaisdell
If FriendFeed got big independently, you would have FriendFeed spam just like you get poked or you get trash messages on Facebook. It's the nature of the beast.
- Michelle
Thanks for the humor. I needed to laugh today.
- Jeunelle Foster
Mark, I forwarded this to a friend - film school graduate, not a Friendfeed user. He loved it. Great job.
- John Craft
me neither. logging in alone won´t work. i am sure we have to be friends, am i right?
- Flynn (Michael A. Volz)
Typical FB experience--this link just drops me on FB's main feed. (Is THAT the problem?)
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
If you're already logged in to Facebook the link drops you onto your Home page. If you're not a Friend of Robert you can't access the post. That's the problem.
- Gilbert Harding
that's the difference between ff and fb. you can call it as problem too
- alper*
I responded on facebook! Definitely an issue with it not being public.
- Sheryl
Good points. Ff to me is my information source, where I can also read other people's views and articles which interest them. I use facebook to keep in touch with family and old friends. 90% of friends on facebook are either old high school friends or family - most of which don't share same interests as me. Which is why I use twitter and ff to find and comment on information posted by those who share my interests (without neccessarily being their 'friend').
- Jamie Craig
from iPhone
I see my home feed.. Meanwhile, here on Friendfeed, I see a conversation
- Andrew Terry
Robert, not read yet as I can't come up for more than a gulp of air today, but yes, I agree with as much as your meme says. So let me state why this move to Facebook is difficult for me personally. Facebook is an entirely different animal than the pub-room atmosphere that FreindFeed is. FF is like walking into the bar and sitting in the booth or at the bar (not that I do that sort of...
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- Melanie Reed
I can't open this link? weird Robert - please make your notes viewable to everyone :)
- Susan Beebe
Yeah frustrating.. can't get to the place on FB either. Have to go to scobleizer. Hate jumping through so many hoops. But point is what conversations? The average Jane or John Doe doesn't even have enough friends to facilitate a broad conversation on FB.
- cheapsuits
This shows exactly the bad user experience in FB. If you don´t know what´s going on, you really don´t get any info from FB. Landing on my homepage without any warning is "ugly"
- Flynn (Michael A. Volz)
Well, yes, you have to join (or login to FB) to see anything but a public profile (vanity URL) or public page. You can view the page but not interact with it unless logged in. FB doesn't give you the luxury of the "2week remember me" before logging back in again. A day perhaps. ;) It's also all about understanding FB networks and how they work and the levels of privacy available in your...
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- Melanie Reed
Robert, this particular link is originating from your FB profile not your Fan page? At any rate, for me it redirects me to my FB Home Feed (on which you don't appear) ind. So your note must be testing how selective it can be?
- Melanie Reed
Yep. Facebook's disadvantage to you in this case is its strength in another. Because it is a double-confirmation system you have a closed, private group. It can foster more "intimacy" in that sense. Twitter on the other extreme is mostly a broadcast model and is poor for conversations. Friendfeed kind of fit in the middle with the benefit of ease of following (single opt-in) and the...
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- Scott Magoon
Maybe robert was making a point by deliberately linking to a page that's not open...
- Ken Power
from iPhone
Just trying to read this article on Facebook proves the point. You don't even have to read the article LOL.
- Hunt
from BuddyFeed
We're comparing apples to bananas to oranges - FB is a "true" social networking site that happens to have micro-blogging features. Twitter is a micro-blogging sites that has minimal social networking features. FF is a content aggregation site that has extensive micro-blogging and minimal social networking features. The problem is content discovery... which hopefully will resolve itself as FB evolves.
- Ankush Narula
LOL, my internet provider blocked me from facebook. I'm going to have to view the note elsewhere. Grrr. Or better yet, I'll just visit your blog. Why didn't I think about that? Oh it's 4:14 am.. I need sleep.
- Captain Jack