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No, Virginia, the Apple Tablet is a big fat Fairy Tale - http://www.RexBlog.com/2009...
Sai Ram Kunala and Sascha Pallenberg liked this
i am so going to remember this article in about a year ;)
- Sascha Pallenberg
The End Of The CrunchPad - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
"Wow. This is disappointing. I don’t care much about whose fault it is, though the story as outlined is just a mess. I had hoped to see this come to market. Guess it’s time to look to Apple again!"
- Louis Gray
whatever the reason was, i think it was kinda predictable and it is for the good. When you can't get a bunch of working prototypes out in over a year, you shouldn't work in the hardware business. Sounds harsh but that's the reality. A tablet with these features and components can be build in less than 3 months. I could never understand where the problem was...
- Sascha Pallenberg
10 Reasons Why a Tablet Could Help Apple in Enterprises - http://www.eweek.com/c...
Altan Khendup, Eric @ CSTechcast.com and Sascha Pallenberg liked this
i can only agree. Tablets are working great on some specific vertical markets.
- Sascha Pallenberg
Acer Liquid – First Android phone with Snapdragon processor - http://blogs.genghiskhent.com/index...
i just got my hands on one of these phones yesterday but unfortunately the interface was in chinese. i still think that this is a pretty cool smartphone
- Sascha Pallenberg
Chrome Nears 5% Market Share - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
Vadim Spivak, winckel, Brian and 6 other people liked this
competition drives innovation. it's a cool browser, especially for netbooks
- Sascha Pallenberg
Chrome rocks!
- Adrian Scicluna
NVIDIA Can't Handle the Heat, Gets Out of the Kitchen - http://www.fool.com/investi...
this would be a shame!
- Sascha Pallenberg
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Online-Journalismus: Kampf den Content-Kleptomanen - Medien - FOCUS Online - http://www.focus.de/kultur...
Ich lache mich schlapp. Die groessten Content-Klauer und Gleichschalter sagen sich selbst den Kampf an
- Sascha Pallenberg
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BMW talks about their IT-infrastructure and how they are going to merge Windows 7 into their ecosystem.
Mona Nomura, Andrew Terry and Rodfather liked this
the BMW representative says that they are getting 20% more batterylife out of any Laptop with Windows 7. Marketing BS, as we know Win 7 draws more power from Netbooks and Notebooks compared to Win XP.
- Sascha Pallenberg
Power management in Windows 7 is going to be a huge selling point. On this week's Windows Weekly, Paul Thurrott talked about an organisation that have migrated from XP to Windows 7 early and have been able to recover the cost of that deployment in power savings *alone*...
- Andrew Terry
Windows 7 shall save every user between 50 and 100 euros a year cause the user would be more productive with it.
boot time optimization seems to be a big topic for the upcoming Windows 7.
- Sascha Pallenberg
finally mobile devices. They are showing the Umid M1 with Windows 7 right now
Rodfather liked this
now they are showing a little performance race between a netbook and a laptop by copying pictures on both platforms. of course the laptop outperforms the netbook. they should use my nc10 with the Runcore SSD, it would kick the hell outta this notebook when performing this operation ;)
- Sascha Pallenberg
i like how intel is talking about ecosystems and syncing all the different devices we use
- Sascha Pallenberg
i am surprised that syncing is still a issue...
- turn.self.off
Moblin V2.1 for handhelds is there! this is awesome!
Rodfather liked this
for menlow or moorestown? or both?
- jkkmobile
watch out Android and iPhone OS. Moblin V2.1 for handhelds will be big and important!
- Sascha Pallenberg
for both JKK!
- Sascha Pallenberg
kinda funny, nokia and intel colaborating on software (ofono, hildon) but seems to indirectly compete on hardware
- turn.self.off
The Intel Atom Software Environment - Intel Moblin and Wind River platforms are getting announced
Rodfather liked this
nice sales chart of iPhone, Wii and Netbooks. Netbooks outsold thw Wii and iPhone by millions and millions
- Sascha Pallenberg
it's all about the powerconsumption. Otellini is showing a couple of examples of their System on a Chip devices.
Rodfather liked this
time for the Intel Core Processors... i will be back when we are talking about mobile devices again
- Sascha Pallenberg
Looking for a netbook. And if any of you tell me to wait for the Apple tablet, the answer is NO THANKS. #GettingSickOfApple
Alfredo, Mehmet Ali Akyol, Arijit Das and 21 other people liked this
ASUS Eee PC 1005HA is one of the best these days, with over 10 hours of battery life http://bit.ly/2gGqX
- Nir Ben Yona
Agree with Nir Ben on this one. Don't get sold on a CULV laptop (more than a netbook with larger screen). Small size is easier to take with you.f
- JR Holmes
The Nokia is sooo pretty though. As is the Vaio. But 10hour battery life is pretty sweet.
- Mona Nomura
The Nokia isn't out yet and boy, its price is so disproportional (700 Euros for a netbook?).
- Nir Ben Yona
Just got one of these, my fourth netbook. It's lovely. Nicest so far. http://www.amazon.com/gp...
- Dave Winer
Dave, why do you have so many netbooks...if you don't mind me inquiring.
- Mona Nomura
Because he's DAVE WINER! Sheesh. :D
- Chrimmus Tad
Lindsay has a super cute black Asus Eee that she totally loves.
- Chrimmus Tad
Ya I'm using this EeePC that is small and black. Super cute. I don't even know the model number.
- Mona Nomura
Another vote for EeePc. Mine is blue.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
Ya - I have three browsers and Digsby running. Still no lags / problems.
- Mona Nomura
I dunno if they do it in the US, but here in the UK there are mobile operators that offer a netbook with a USB 3G dongle and contract (so you're paying for the netbook over the course of your contract). Giving you a netbook *and* a means of connecting to the net anywhere.
- alphaxion
Yaarrr... If ye can be getting a Dell Mini 9, ye can hackintosh it to run both Windows 7 and Mac OS... so ye have a choice... YAARRRRR
- Johnny Worthington
Hahahahhaha it's your day, Johnny!
- Mona Nomura
Yaarrrr
- Johnny Worthington
I'd go with the Asus 1005HA, Samsung NC10, or Toshiba Mini NB205
- Rodfather
Rodfather :) I'm trying to figure out which Eee PC this is. Do I have to take out the battery? #flashbacks *edit: it's a 1008HA. Super cute.
- Mona Nomura
Mine is the Asus 1005HA as has been recommended and I LOVE it. http://friendfeed.com/bluecoc...
- Fa La La La Lindsay
The 1008HA is the seashell with the non-removable battery. The 1005HA is basically the same with a removable battery.
- Rodfather
It really does last a freaking long time on the battery. I have been very pleased with mine.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Am I going to need to take out the battery? Lindsay - I love it so far...it's mainly for email and browsing so I'm not even worried it's XP. Though I am very very VERY drawn to the Vaio P
- Mona Nomura
from IM
Well, the 1008HA has a 6 hour battery life vs 10.5 hrs on the 1005HA. It is sleek and pretty though. The Sony is too expensive for what you get compared to the others. They are all basically the same when it comes down to it. I'm really happy with Asus' build quality. They make rock solid netbooks.
- Rodfather
Which one do you have Rodfather?
- Mona Nomura
I'm using an Asus 1000H. It's 1 year 2 days old now :). I upgraded the RAM to 2GB and harddrive to 320GB the day I got it. I love it. I use it everyday and it's my main computer.
- Rodfather
That's awesome - I think I'm going back to a Windows machine, too. Getting a little sick of Macs.
- Mona Nomura
We have some Toshiba netbooks at school (not sure of the model) they run okay and the battery life is excellent.
- Bryce Roney
Either the Eee 1000 series or a Lenovo S10. I'm partial to the S10's myself but the Eee is widely used so you're more likely to find support for it.
- EricaJoy
I have not had to take out the battery, though I admit that I haven't tried to use it for 10 straight hours either... but I think it would last that long if I tried. I have not had any issues with it so far. It's great for checking email and browsing, especially at places I don't want to take a big laptop, like coffee shops or... Gnomedex... Oh, and we upgraded the RAM on mine when we got it too...
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Ya I think I might upgrade the RAM too...but so far so good. Actually, Chrome runs faster on here than on my Macbook (which has 4gigs of RAM LOL)
- Mona Nomura
I'm probably going to wait until Windows 7 is preinstalled on netbooks before grabbing another. The performance is probably better with XP, but I'm ready for Windows 7, and would rather have preinstalled drivers than worry about upgrading. Plus, I want to see if there's any good convertible tablet netbooks coming with Windows 7. Hopefully the Asus T101 will be good if it comes out.
- Rodfather
That is totally what I was waiting for too (preinstalled Win7) but man, I'm getting tired of lugging monstrous laptops around. Can't wait until Office goes online!
- Mona Nomura
Actually right now, I'm keeping my eye on the Lenovo x200 tablet. It's pricey, but still fairly small with a 12" screen. It has both an active digitizer and multitouch capacitive screen. There's an option for a bright outdoor viewable screen too.
- Rodfather
Samsung N120 -- comfortable keyboard, sturdy construction, better than average speakers... Will snatch up the Samsung N510 when it comes to market. Laptops are gone for good in my world.
- Sean McBride
Sean - Samsung...really? I've had really bad experiences with Samsung devices so I tend to stay away (especially cell phones). I dunno about tablets...still on the fence. (more to do with usability and practicality)
- Mona Nomura
I think you would be happy with any of the recommended netbooks. Cheap, light, and great battery life. It's been the best bang for the buck device I've had ever. It's provided so much value for so little money.
- Rodfather
I'm actually really digging the Eee 1008HA. Netbooks are such a steal and Chrome seriously runs faster on this.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
Wait for the Apple tablet.
- Louis Gray
No i think you should not wait for Apple, because, naturally, apple netbook will be very expensive and it is not logical for me. I think nowadays, Asus Eee Pc 1101HA seems good- http://bit.ly/CNiyu - http://www.amazon.com/gp...
- Mehmet Ali Akyol
+1 on the Apple tablet (if it ever happens) being too expensive.
- EricaJoy
Ya - it'll just be an oversized iPhone. read: battery suck.
- Mona Nomura
Over 80 reviews of the Samsung N120 here, mostly positive: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung... Usually it's a good idea to visit a local Best Buy, Staples or whatever to physically interact with these machines, hands on, before deciding.
- Sean McBride
Really? I'd be surprised if Fry's didn't have a good selection of netbooks. Mona, there's a Fry's in Renton.
- Rochelle
I'm sticking with the Eee 1008HA until a netbook with Win7 preloaded comes out. I've been on it all day and I really like it - only issue is I have to use Firefox or IE to post stuff to FriendFeed / Facebook, etc. GoogleReader looks kinda funky in Chrome.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
I don't think I'd invest in Lenovo or Samsung... :( And Rodfather? The Lenovo tablet is omg expensive.
- Mona Nomura
That's a shame. I did. :) I loves it. http://lh3.ggpht.com/_W6mjt7...
- EricaJoy
Yep, the x200 isn't cheap.
- Rodfather
I still have my Eee 1000HD, so I would vouch for anything along that line. I would recommend the Acer Aspire One, but I'm not a big fan of the Atom processor.
- Helen Sventitsky
Samsung is selling a lot of netbooks: "Samsung Electronics is expected to surpass Asustek Computer and Hewlett-Packard (HP) to become the second largest netbook player in Europe in the third quarter of 2009, trailing only Acer, according to Taiwan-based makers." (Honest -- I'm not a paid Samsung representative. :) I'm just impressed by their netbook technology, and think that netbooks in general are going to be huge, huge, huge... Ubiquitous)
- Sean McBride
Don't worry too much about which netbook you buy today -- it will be outdated in a few months, and it will be inexpensive to replace it. This technology is going to evolve very rapidly for the foreseeable future -- there is a massive convergence from every angle on this form factor and platform.
- Sean McBride
I'm in love with the 1008HA - seriously snappy and perfect for browsing needs. Now all I need is MS Office to go online (Cloud or whatever). Can't WAIT to rid all my bulkier laptops!
- Mona Nomura
from IM
I'm not doing anything until Windows 7 comes out.
- John E. Bredehoft
Actually, I'm on XP Home and it's fine. Though I'm not going to lie, once a preloaded Asus with Win7 comes out, I am straight on. it.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
If you want Snow Leopard, Dell Mini 10v works brilliantly (using it to post this). Nice size keyboard, too. Battery life is only so-so.
- Jan Ole Peek
Thank you for the info but there is no way I will Hackintosh a netbook. OS X is not fit for the form factor. : )
- Mona Nomura
from IM
im drooling over the asus eee and dell mini, trying to hold out for one with nvidia 3d accel or dual core cpu
- Mike Chelen
Nvidia 3D Accel or Dual Core CPU + 4gig ram + Win7 in Eee 1008HA form factor = dream Netbook. I'm looking into RAM upgrades but it sounds like a total hassle. Bummer.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
upgrading the ram shouldn't be too difficult on the mini-9 at least http://www.laptopmag.com/advice... though 2gb is the max
- Mike Chelen
LOL Mona! My "computer name" is Asus EEE Pc 1008HA - It's very nice, but it really would benefit from at least 2G mem. I'm srsly pushing it at 1G.
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
Whoa this thread turned bigger. Anyway, I run Windows 7 on my Asus N10 with 2GB of RAM and it works awesome. Asus did great when added a small shutter at the back with direct access to both hard drive and memory parts, so replacing them is just a matter of minutes.
- Nir Ben Yona
I'm planning on getting an Acer 1410 in October unless a better alternative comes along. (I won't need one till Nov.) It's because I want full-screen video without hiccups. I hear it can't do full screen Flash video smoothly until Adobe finally rolls out GPU-accelerated video. Still, for the time frame I'm looking at, and for my needs (I don't need long battery life, but do want an 11.6" screen, full-sized keyboard, 3 lb or lighter weight), I think it fits nearly perfectly.
- Andrew C
I have a Dell Mini 9 and I'm pretty content with it. There are other options for the same price with bigger HD's, but you need to know if you actually need one. If you don't, I recommend Mini9. <3
- Olivia Lovag
You have low-tier (< 300$) or High Tier (>600$) don't choose anything in the middle.
- anaborg
No, I'm with you @angry. We bought a Lenovo S10 for my daughter. While it is nice, it's nearly impossible for me to type on it. And the 10 inch screen is too small for my aging eyes.
- Herb Hernandez
from iPhone
Have you actually tried using the latest generation of netbooks? For most apps that most people use, they are adequately powered and the display is readable. It is easy to boost the font size on smartphones, not to mention netbooks (I read ebooks on my smartphone comfortably). Laptops look like clumsy dinosaurs to me now. I will never purchase or use another laptop.
- Sean McBride
Back Nir Ben's suggestion. Up the memory to 2gb though and buy an external Bluetooth mouse. The only bad thing about the 1005HA is the mouse on it.
- CW™
I love my Acer Aspire
- Brian Appleby
Four useful feeds for tracking netbook developments: 1. Amazon Netbook Bestsellers http://www.amazon.com/gp... 2. Liliputing http://www.liliputing.com 3. MyNetbookWorld http://www.mynetbookworld.com 4. Netbook Updates http://netbookupdates.com
- Sean McBride
And Netbook Ratings http://www.netbookcrunch.com/ratings... is indispensable for detailed netbook spec comparisons.
- Sean McBride
Wow everyone, thanks so much for all the helpful advice. I need to bookmark this thread. Y'all rule. Liliputing, huh? Never heard of it...lame. Btw Reeeechard, I def. agree. This guy (1008HA) can use another gig of RAM.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
Liliputing is also my favorite feed for netbook developments. :) (And I read it in Feedly.)
- Sean McBride
Add Netbook Crunch to the list: http://www.netbookcrunch.com/feed...
- Sean McBride
A Friendfeed discussion about the future of netbooks here: https://friendfeed.com/seanmcb...
- Sean McBride
As for netbook focused FF'ers, hit up Sascha (http://friendfeed.com/saschap...) and (JKK http://friendfeed.com/jkkmobi...). I can't leave out Steve 'Chippy' Paine (http://friendfeed.com/chippy) of UMPCPortal (http://www.umpcportal.com/)
- Rodfather
I read JK on the run - Kevin Tofel is one of my favorite gadget writers!
- Mona Nomura
from IM
This is JKK (http://jkkmobile.blogspot.com/) , not JK (James Kendrick) ontherun, but ya, James and Kevin are great.
- Rodfather
Rodfather - oh, ok. Oops. Hey so this might be a general Windows thing but my screen has a blue hue to it. How do I fix this?
- Mona Nomura
Not sure what's going on there..
- Rodfather
Run like hell from any Sony note/netbook. I've had 3 and mother-in-law had 1 and they ALL had hard drive failures just out of warranty. This is over a 6 year period as recent as this year.
- Brad Nickel
Brad, we have an ongoing joke in Japan: "Sony Timer" - for all their products crap out RIGHT after the warranty expires.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
Toshiba NB205 is a very worthy competitor to the recommended Asus 1005. I have both right now (own the Tosh, Asus is on loan) and they compete well. I like the massive trackpad on the Tosh though. :)
- Kevin C. Tofel
from iPhone
Brad, I've had the total opposite experience. I have had three Sony Vaios (upgrading, not replacing because of problems) with the first being in 2000 and the most recent was purchased less than a year ago. I've had nothing but great luck with them. In fact, I'm on one right now as it's my primary computer. Plus, it's PINK. :)
- Rochelle
Kevin - I've had nothing but good luck with Toshibas. My Satellite (super old) still works and runs like a dream. I would definitely invest in their netbook. : )
- Mona Nomura
from IM
It's absolutely amazing how well they engineer their timers. Brilliant! ;)
- Brad Nickel
from email
Good for you Rochelle. My own and other's experience has been much different. Sounds like you've been lucky and bought 3 without the "timers" see Mona's comment. ;)
- Brad Nickel
from email
It was actually a scandal in the early 90s (hold on, Googling now)
- Mona Nomura
from IM
There's a Wiki for it LOL http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki... (sorry - had to enable Japanese up on hurrr and took a while since I haven't been using Windows for so long lol)
- Mona Nomura
What about Apple's existing netbook, the MacBook Air? I owned one for a while but needed more of a workhorse. Still, that's one of the best notebooks ever made; exceptional construction, great performance, huge screen, full keyboard.
- David Chartier
from iPhone
Erica, Sony does have a netbook entry besides the Vaio P (if you can call the P a netbook), it's called the Vaio W http://bit.ly/2ddkJp
- Nir Ben Yona
my top 3 netbooks right now are (i reviewed around 150 different ones in the last 2 years) - Toshiba NB200, Samsung N150 and Eee PC 1005HA. I can really recommend all of them when you wanta good build quality, great keyboards and last but not least some 8-9 hours of batterylife.
- Sascha Pallenberg
you might also wanna wait until January when all the new Pine-Trail netbooks are available. Pretty much the same performance compared to the Intel Atom netbooks that are available right now but much more batterylife. Check out my youtube channel for my netbook reviews: http://www.youtube.com/minipcp...
- Sascha Pallenberg
Bing Pops With Visual Search - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
seems like i am starting to like Bing more and more
- Sascha Pallenberg
from Bookmarklet
Apple expected to extend exclusive wireless deal with AT&T, says iSuppli - http://www.digitimes.com/news...
i don't even wanna know how much AT&T offered Apple for this deal
- Sascha Pallenberg
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RT @louisgray New Blog Post: Feedly Extends RSS-Powered Start Page to Include Reader Conversations http://www.louisgray.com/live...
thank you so much for this link Louis! I think i am gonna use my google reader again :)
- Sascha Pallenberg
Trying to make a final decision. 20 or 24 inch iMac?
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24 inch of course :)
- Sascha Pallenberg
a german company wants to sue me for using the term "smartbooks" on my website. After we got rid of the netbook trademark bs, here comes the next one!
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Das wird ja immer lustiger! Unglaublich sowas!
- Martin Krämer
Morons! Let's sue living daylights out of them... how old is their trademark? Ask German TM office ;)
- Theo Valich
yeah it's pathetic. Why not going after Qualcomm or Freescale? It's not my trademark war but of course i am taking this very personal and i will make it public!
- Sascha Pallenberg
ach scheiße, echt! Druecke die Daumen, dass es nicht teuer wird!
- folterknecht
mit dem roller von ge nach e ... dann weiss man warum es so viele suv's gibt!
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da bekommt Glueck auf doch ne voellig neue Bedeutung :)
- Sascha Pallenberg
Clubbed To Death (Kurayamino Variation) by Rob Dougan - http://www.pandora.com/music...
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there is an awesome version with Henry Rollins' lyrics. must be around 8 years old.
- Sascha Pallenberg
Netbooks are toast, says Nick Farrell from Fudzilla. Well when you compare a cheap 15inch notebook with a netbook, i guess you are toast! :) http://www.fudzilla.com/content...
Granted netbooks are not meant to replace proper notebooks. However, with the increased need for mobility, I think netbooks are far from toast.
- embee
Totally agree with you embee! Maybe Nick should consider, why people are buying netbooks. It's not because of the performance, it's because of the formfactor and batterylife. Check out my comments in the TIME magazine on this: http://www.time.com/time... - Noone wants to carry a 6 pound piece of plastic anymore. You get what you pay for and a 15.6inch Notebook for less than $300 is just nothing you can compare with a netbook!
- Sascha Pallenberg
Hi, in my personal experience (non geek), the smartphone is personal (my own) but the netbook stays in the kitchen/living room area open to all members of family for email checking, wether and traffic forecasts, movie programs, web base games (kids) , facebook, twitter, .... + searches. I would have not spent 1000$ for that. My wife likes the small size, the black design (Dell mini9) that fits well in the house and ... yes no wires ! I am waiting for touch screen netbooks ;-)
- Jacopo Gio
This sounds like a great usage scenario. I love this idea and it shows again, which interesting niches netbooks are creating. In my opinion netbooks are the first real personal computers and your comment is proving it to me again. Thanks a lot for sharing this idea
- Sascha Pallenberg
I wish Twitter would sell to Google so it would die like Jaiku and Dodgeball. But I won't post this over on Twitter. I really don't have much love for the service, even though I know I'll be stuck using it for the indefinite future. Jesse Stay has it figured out. It's a horrid place to try to communicate anything other than a bit of self pimping.
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Here I can write the equivilent of an entire blog post. And even make changes. And even have a conversation. And use it as many times an hour as I want (Twitter rate limits my apps after a while cause I'm too heavy of a user).
- Robert Scoble
werd.
- imabonehead
I can sense already that FriendFeed is slowing down now that it is joining Facebook, while Twitter still has the best flow (and best system for following people and best mobile clients). So, we're stuck with Twitter, which is too bad, because the technology here is a ton better.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter is a piece of crap - BUT it's where the audience is (currently).
- Jim Connolly
Now it is starting to feel like FF again with you bigging it up again Robert ;)
- Travis Koger
Twitter is the new MySpace.
- imabonehead
Maybe google wave will change the way we use twitter, etc. again. Haven't tried it yet, but it might succeed where friendfeed "failed" - getting enough people to use it.
- Frank S.
Travis: I had to go and clean out my Twitter and Facebook accounts and spread out my usage.
- Robert Scoble
Agreed! - Friendfeed is so much better (for as long as it really lasts in Facebook world...)
- Matthew Blaisdell
from iPhone
Robert: I'm thinking of setting up a facebook account for my Marketing blog - what do you think?
- Jim Connolly
@Scobleizer I don't think Friendfeed would be quite so popular if it weren't for twitter
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
Twitter is the new Myspace - HAHA - this quote made my day. For me it is just becoming a multiplicator for my friendfeed but it is important for that!
- Sascha Pallenberg
Prolific: I'm not so sure. Blogs made Twitter. So, what if there were no Twitter? We would still talk up something else. But maybe FriendFeed wouldn't have thrived anyway. Twitter hit a sweet spot with its easy to program API, it's easy to use interface, and its cute name and branding.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter works extremely well on mobile devices. I constantly see people tweeting whereas it's more difficult to do with FriendFeed's interface for a typical user.
- imabonehead
Really think that Twitter is annoying it's users too much. There's some problems out there that are really being ignored. Here's an example of a problem that could be solved very simply, but no action is being taken (if it was solved it'd create a lot of goodwill) http://getsatisfaction.com/twitter...
- Edd McArdle
Robert, now that FriendFeed's people are working for Facebook, and since Facebook has already been making changes to make it more "open socially", do you think eventually that Facebook will become the best place to have serious conversations?
- Carlton Hackett
Carlton: yes.
- Robert Scoble
I've been thinking so too. Although, I wonder how the non-Soc/net junkies will respond to that?
- Carlton Hackett
Robert, two thoughts. #1 - do you think Google really would let it die? Acquiring Twitter would be more like its YouTube acquisition than Jaiku (in terms of price and # of users). Secondly, what would Twitter have to change for you to change your opinion?
- Ben Parr
I really, really, really want Twitter to work out is the thing. It's just a pain in the neck to communicate without either losing the conversation or spamming useless banter over multiple Tweets because you can't fit it in 140 characters. That's just my experience. Those still spending most their time there don't mind it I guess.
- Jesse Stay
I like Twitter. The conversation flows pretty well for me, and to be fair, I get more @replies there than I get replies here to my posts.
- Chris Nixon
I think a combination of the Retweet API and a true threaded replies architecture and UI could change some of my opinion on that though if they do it.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: It's NOT just your experience. Twitter is getting less valuable the bigger it gets. The spam / porn / bots issue is insane and ruining the experience.
- Jim Connolly
Chris: I have a twitter account with over 20,000 followers and get ten times as many replies here as I get there. Here I only have a small following. The calibre of people I connect with here is better too.
- Jim Connolly
Jesse, have Twitter improved their communication with developers since you wrote about it in April?
- Edd McArdle
Edd, over the last week I have noticed a difference, yes, but it's hard to tell if it will remain that way. They now seem to have a project manager over the API dev team (Ryan Sarver). He seems to be putting a filter on some things and keeping devs updated elsewhere. They're still learning though, much slower than FB or FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
agree on spam and bots, but it still is a nice little thing, if it remains what it was made for! marketing and reviewing thing isn't/shouldn't be there, true friendfeed is more effective as a tool for sending your message across, it is simple and strong
- testbeta
Testbeta: ... and FF works.
- Jim Connolly
Jim, Jesse, Robert: Value varies. For me, Twitter value continues to increase. I use it to find out what's happening, meet up with people, get random insights into how people are doing, find new people. It all works well. There are many different use cases and one tool does not have to do them all.
- Rachel Clarke
i couldn't agree more!
- lilian
Rachel: "It all works well"? Really? Twitter?
- Jim Connolly
Rachel, I agree with you. I just don't think Twitter works well for conversations, that's all. I use FriendFeed and Facebook for that. I use Twitter for different purposes, and I agree it does still have value.
- Jesse Stay
sometimes i think of Automattic's intense debate, but well friendfeed is intense debate, such a experience was never had on blogs, the commenting, liking, and so fast it propagates, even disqus commenting systems can't achieve what we have here on friendfeed, but i can't just throw away twitter, twitter still is good, true for the serious types it's word limit, reply system is a bit of...
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- testbeta
I would love to have FriendFeed as the commenting system on my blog.
- Chris Nixon
Chris, there are a few plugins that do that. I haven't tried them though.
- Jesse Stay
Chris: Check out what Scoble's doing with FF on building43.com
- Jim Connolly
Jim: yes. It works well for what I want it to do (I'm ignoring the ongoing issues with the DDOS). It's a free tool that adds far more value than it costs me to wait for odd outage.
- Rachel Clarke
Just checked your Twitter account and now understand exactly what you are saying.
- Jim Connolly
Jesse: agree, I use Facebook, Friendfeed, blogs, comments etc, all for different things. I even use the phone as a phone occasionally to talk with people ;-) But the assumption that one tool/service can do everything - and should do everything - is something I have a problem with. If something does not work for a person, don't use it.
- Rachel Clarke
The twitter ecoverse is cool, can do Psychological Profiles, can do Social Network Analysis. All those services that spawned as a result are amazing. I am also amazed at how dense Asians Languages are on Twitter, think about it they get about 60% more per tweet.
- Robert Higgins
Ben: at this point I am not sure what Twitter could do to win back my love. I will use it just like I use AT&T and United Airlines. I have very little love for those even though I use them frequently. Twitter wins because it is simple and flat and has great clients. I wouldn't cry if it disappeared, though.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
So why do you hate it?
- Raanan Avidor
You are a hypocrite! I remember you use to sing the praises of Twitter all the time. Another toy comes along and you start bashing it. If I was Friendfeed management I would cancel your account now before you start bashing them. Robert Scoble is nothing but a follower of crowds anyway.
- Paul L. McCord Jr.
You want it to die? Such an odd statement. I have met so many great people through Twitter, and the news information I can find through search or news agencies or even people who are newshounds are amazing. I know it's not perfect and the last few weeks have definately proved that, and the spam is just awful. But to want to kill it, what a strong statement.
- PC Easy
from twhirl
Twitter is not abot writing blog posts or having conversations, its about small pieces of information being communicated to anyone who wants to listen. You do not have to listen, if you want a conversation use a forum or FriendFeed, use WordPress for blog posts. Stop trying to make Twitter into something it is not designed to be.
- Darren Rollett
I really used to like Twitter, still do sometimes. What I don't like is the Twitter hype. I don't seem able to turn on any media channel these days without reading/hearing or watching about it. Even the BBC reported that Twitter was under attack recently on the main BBC news. FFS come on, there must be more happening in the world than a micro blogging site with a few million users...
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- Nick Bristow
If you owned twitter would you sell to google?
- cheapsuits
from iPhone
Robert, Atleast something positive could come out of it. If Twitter sells to Google they might(though its not guaranteed) make it opensource and then a federation of twitter server(ala wave servers) can co-exist happily and that way we'll own our stuff(as Anil Dash and other points out). Or they might integrate it in Wave framework. Not that people are not gonna complain about it but thats a different topic.
- Abhishek
Surely an improvement in the service would be a more positive wish?
- Chris Nixon
Say what you want but something with the architecture of friendfeed is far more conversational then twitter could ever be.
- cheapsuits
I don't know why people think Twitter is the place to converse. It's really not built for that. I find myself enjoying the flow of conversations more on Facebook and FriendFeed.
- Naomi Williams
Self pimping? Hmmm... Perhaps not for all of us. And besides, self-pimping isn't limited to twitter.
- @JonAston
PS - Maybe it's just me, but you seem bitter lately. Hope you turn that around for yourself.
- @JonAston
Jon: You are right. People pimp on FriendFeed too; as I say in my new book.... :-)
- Jim Connolly
@jim, they will do anywhere, this is human nature, they do even in real life, so why not in virtual one?
- abdellah
Abdellah: Absolutely.
- Jim Connolly
"(Twitter) It's a horrid place to try to communicate anything other than a bit of self pimping." AMEN
- Alejandro
Personally I wish Google would buy both Facebook and Twitter so they could both die.
- Brian Sullivan
@brian, hey where could I read to you then?!!
- abdellah
@Frank S. Google Wave will only be valid if you actually have other friends/collegues who use Google Wave. Otherwise you'll be using it with the *crickets*
- Naomi Williams
Oh yeah -- forgot that due to circumstances beyond our control FF is now Facebook. ;-)
- Brian Sullivan
oh yeah , they share the same vision, they got the same perception...
- abdellah
It's the ff interface (developers) that make it great, but it's really you guys and gals, the people friendfeed attracted that make it valuable to me. Let's consider a real migration to a more reliable long term social media. It has to be open (data portable, unsellable) to get my trust
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
I hope the FaceBook people will take comments like these to heart. I do like twitter but the functionality FriendFeed brought was the next generation in stream notification.
- Chris Jackson
Ohh time to pimp Jim's new book on Twitter ;)
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
Mark: Yeah - all I need is a title. Oh, and a book....and the time to write one....then I will be pimping like a pro!
- Jim Connolly
Wow Robert, I was thinking this the past few days and could never bring it to words...well done
- Braden Douglass
Jim: I'm time bankrupt but love sharing and collaborating. Let's hire a ghostwriter to capture our best ideas in an intelligible manner :). Joking of course, there's no easy way to spread our thoughts but doing it ourselves
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
I was gonna call the Funky Phantom. (That really dates me.)
- Jim Connolly
Robert, I challenge you to stop using Twitter for a month and then blog about the experience. And that includes hiding all Tweets in FF.
- Mike Doeff
from iPhone
Lets face it, Twitter was built as an update service - a big Internet megaphone. The natural transition has been from update service to marketing service. Big Internet Megaphone. It's good at that, but it's not at conversations nor at discovery. The larger problem is people still approach Twitter like a true social engagement tool - and it's simply not. The disconnect between perception and reality results in the poor adoption numbers and other soft metrics.
- AJ Kohn
twitter is noise. filter it and you can find some gold. imho, that's beyond mere self-pimpage
- Rob Schieber
Agreed Rob. I'd prefer semantic algorithms applied to all tweets. I'm interested in real time search and datamining. And semantic extraction on all status would allow for real time "sorting"
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
i'd love to meetup with fellows and see what api scraping is going on - know where threads are for that?
- Rob Schieber
Idk, This seems so much better then twitter.
- SeanParnell
It does have a lot of noise, granted - but if it went away now, I'm not sure where everyone would run to. Facebook is too silly, Linkedin is too stolid, and everything else is too fractured for me to communicate with all the people I want to in a single shot. Guess I'd end up doing everything through ping.fm after all.
- Ciaoenrico
Wow, Isn't online chit-chat such a fuss? :)
- SeanParnell
Robert, just a week or two you were saying that Twitter is beating FriendFeed because of scanability http://friendfeed.com/scoblei.... And you had lots of complaints about the FriendFeed user interface. You also talked about how Twitter was much better after you un-followed everyone and hand picked who you're following. I have to ask, what has changed in the past few days to make you say that the service should die? Feels like you're flip flopping.
- Mike Doeff
Can't you apply for extended API limits?
- Tristan Seligmann
love the single post/status page, i mean like this: http://twitter.com/twitter...
- testbeta
I noticed that in the past two weeks, the tweet intensity has greatly decreased from all my follows in Twitter. Granted, I'm not following too many, but the ones I do follow have traditionally tweeted a lot each day. Is this a trend (has Twitter become a has been) or is this simply a coincidental anomaly?
- Jeff Sayre
Robert I find myself on friendfeed more these days
- (jeff)isageek
@brian would you consider myspace if both facebook and twitter die?!!(ps: sorry I forget the LOL)
- abdellah
Myspace -- don't know. I haven't really tried or paid attention to it. But probably not -- isn't it Facebook like? Maybe usenet? ;-)
- Brian Sullivan
brian, let forget all those techie and go irc :)
- abdellah
IMO, people who don't like the limitations of Twitter and whine about it hampering them are using it wrong. Twitter is not a place to pimp your blog or drive traffic to your site. It is not an SEO tool. It's not a place for you to compete in order to get more 'followers'. If you've ever tried to do any of these things, or if you ever followed more than a few hundred people, then yes, no...
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- Otto
Well said Otto
- Chris Nixon
Jesse Stay: you should stop complaining so much about twitter when you build an entire business based on their lack of functionality and other issues.
- Mihai Secasiu
Mihai, I'm not complaining - they can do what they want. As I said I really want them to succeed. It's a matter of fact that they do have their flaws - I'm hoping to help them fix those, assuming they're listening at all. What are you doing to help Twitter get better?
- Jesse Stay
it is like twitter if for what,where, when and friendfeed is for why, how
- testbeta
Mike: just because I use a service doesn't mean I love it. I use ATT and United all the time and they suck too.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
And yes Twitter has some good things about it. Doesn't mean it is all good. Personally it is overused and overhyped and YES I am partially responsible.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Apostol I get value out of Twitter. You aren't listening. I get value out of AT&T too but it COULD be so much more. Chris I tried to be positive but Twitter just doesn't respond to positivity. Plus they are cynical AT BEST about their users. Read the Twittergate documents to see just how cynical they are.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Twitter was just there at the right time. It's not the best solution to the problem (microblogging), but it's good ~enough~.
- Trent Hamm
You seriously think Twitter will die once it gets bought by a 'bigger' company?
- Mike Shields
Mike: do you use Dodgeball? It was bought by Google. So was Jaiku.
- Robert Scoble
Trent: did you just call Twitter the Microsoft of microblogging? Yeah, that's sorta what I was trying to say too! ;-)
- Robert Scoble
I just find it amazing that all the early adopters get really snobby about Twitter now it is getting more mainstream. There is something snobby about people's attitude to Facebook as well. I'm not a fan of Facebook but I know more people who use Facebook than use Twitter or Friendfeed combined. Even my mum has a Facebook account but she'd never be on Twitter or Friendfeed. Twitter...
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- Paul Nash
I liked Pownce. I wonder what SixApart has cooking up for them. So there's really no chance for Plurk to make a comeback and take back the community? With all the outage problems Twitter has, I would think Plurk would try to capitalize on that. Guess not.
- John Wang
now if the Google Reader team could just get their new commenting system streamlined and real-time ... :)
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
Paul: it's not hard to understand if you are in our shoes. Here's why. When a company is young and struggling to get noticed, they love having early adopters. After all, that's the ONLY WAY a company gets to the next stage. I've never seen a company go straight to Oprah stage without getting early adopters excited. Then once the company gets enough traction they usually start mistreating the early adopters. In this case Twitter stabbed them in the back. Leo Laporte, for instance ...
- Robert Scoble
...got me excited about Twitter and was THE REASON it was the big huge deal at that 2007 SXSW. He had more followers than Mashable last year. But did he get put on the Suggested User List? No. So now Mashable has more than a million and Leo has a knife in his back. And you think it's amazing that early adopters turn their backs on Twitter? Really now.
- Robert Scoble
I don't see how Leo has a knife in his back. There was no preconceived notion that anyone would be added to that list. Who cares? He was fine before that list was created, and he can be just as fine now, and just as engaging.
- Andru Edwards
Andru: when he was hyping up the service and telling his users to use it, he was getting something in return: being at the top of the follower lists. When Twitter artificially put its own people at the top of the follower lists, and handed out grants of followers (worth many hundreds of thousands of dollars, by the way -- Mashable has changed its entire business to be Twitter centric) they specifically dissed Leo and many others. Most of whom won't point it out in public.
- Robert Scoble
Sadly true. I'm in much the same boat -- Twitter is a necessity for professionals and bloggers to stay on top of things, but other socialnets like Brightkite and FF are light years beyond it, which doesn't look to be changing any time soon. Don't even get me started on the spammers and the get-rich-quick'ers.
- Ryan Meader
But before the SUL was released, didn't Leo abandon Twitter in favor of Jaiku, due to Twitter having "Twit" as part of its name? Just saying, if I owned a list that I had complete control over, and someone showed that behavior towards me (whether it was right or wrong, I am not judging), I would think twice before putting them on a list that will result in many people seeing they they...
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- Andru Edwards
I can't agree with you more, Robert.
- Jon Ursenbach
Scobe: I very much disagree that it is about self pimping. Perhaps your senses are mush because you follow too many? I absolutely love getting that link to a new article or research, or to get a tweet from that celeb that makes me think and provides insight into a new world. I also use it as a research tool, for exploratory purposes. Twitter, as you know very well, is about what you make it, and that is a tenuous notion that really is influenced by who you follow.
- Chad Gesser
Andru: again, the list did NOT exist in the days when we were hyping up Twitter. So, there was a "promise" to early adopters that if they invested time in the service they could be at the top of the follower lists. Sort of how PlayFoursquare is today promising users that they can become mayors of places they frequent more than anyone else. What Twitter did was the equivilent of PlayFoursquare telling everyone that their "mayorship" doesn't matter anymore and that Oprah is now mayor of everywhere.
- Robert Scoble
Chad: one thing you have to remember about me is that I see that Twitter has 1,001 uses. Stop seeing the world as black and white. This is one post I'm making about Twitter among thousands. Translation: I already agreed with you. But you have to admit that many people use Twitter for self promotion.
- Robert Scoble
Andru: and anyway, the SUL is hardly the only reason to diss Twitter. Twitter still goes down all the time, it still has stupid rate limits. It still can't block spam effectively. It still has no friend management. It still has no features that didn't exist a year ago. And it is, in many respects, behaving worse. I'm hearing from developers that Twitter is becoming more closed, not more open (to monetize) and we're seeing them pick winners before the marketplace is done (bit.ly anyone?)
- Robert Scoble
The nice thing about Twitter is that it keeps your message short and to the point. Friendfeed is great but it doesn't lend itself well to an external app out of the browser. Also FriendFeed and any of these services you don't own your content
- Seth Goldstein
Seth: bing! So, back to the blog we will go. Except, why are we still here? ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Awww Twitter the "me" network :)
- Wayne Sutton
from iPhone
Anyone tried Streamy?
- cheapsuits
because the interraction is in real time
- abdellah
Wayne: retweet me. :-) abdellah: I thought it was because of all the sex. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
that was my expectation too ;)
- abdellah
I like friendfeed because of its realtimeyness, but I like twitter because it requires you to be concise. I have seen some brilliant tweets done in 140 characters or less. I think that's always been the allure of twitter, its sheer simplicity. How many features can you add to twitter without actually changing the core of what twitter is?
- Tomy Thomson
Robert: But what do you want from these companies ? Chaps like you give them the oxygen of publicity they need and they court you and then when they become successful you suddenly start to criticise them. Friendfeed has become successful (in great part to your endless plugging of it) and the founders will now go on to make money through their company being taken over by Facebook. You,...
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- Paul Nash
Scoble: no doubt....I can deal with the self promotion, the e marketing and spam garbage though to me is what has gooootttt to go
- Chad Gesser
Paul: my role in life is to use what will be, not what is. I don't turn on many companies, but Twitter isn't one that dealt with early adopters on good faith.
- Robert Scoble
nick: I explained why above.
- Robert Scoble
Is there a "social media" company that has dealt with early adopters in "good faith"? Facebook, FriendFeed, Flickr I suspect don't qualify ? Any that do?
- Brian Sullivan
all platforms seem to have self pimpering styles, why so passionate against twitter? Objectional question, not one of rhetoric.
- nick tadd
Brian: I didn't know that any of those have actively dissed their best early adopters. Facebook kicked me off, but only because I broke the TOS. It's always been straight up with me. Same with Flickr, although I do watch Thomas Hawk's talk about their censorship.
- Robert Scoble
none as brian says, they all deal with them, and "the earlier adopter" contribute to their evolution until they sell (sorry)
- abdellah
nick: because it's so prevalent there. "Look at my blog post about xxx" is almost a staple on Twitter. It's a new RSS reader. Which is fine, I use it too for that! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I think you may have the makings for one of your future blogs here. Perhaps you do it for that reason? ;) The thing about Twitter is always going to be its LBE. It's a mainstream LBE to Social Media. For that very reason its perfect for business, government, and non profit to take public temperature and promote. The other "noise" is the "MV", the "mainstream voice". The conversation is 4 way.(and yes sometimes only 1 way) but there it is and its not going to go away any time soon.
- Melanie Reed
Yes, indeed, Twitter is the Microsoft of microblogging. It's good enough, but not the best - but it has the huge advantage that everyone is using it, so you have to use it for compatibility reasons.
- Trent Hamm
I still use Twitter for more than just updates. I converse, I crowdsource, and I read through to see what other people are thinking and talking about. FriendFeed is the one that I have a difficult time finding use for, but I'm trying.
- Dave Huston
DAMN Robert I HATE that you are right on this one!!!!!
- Arleen Anderson
Hopefully you use it for positive self pimping and not for negative pimping... which is inevitable
- Kevin Burrell
If FF would have taken mobile seriously, the game might look different right now
- Alex C. Williams
Alex, they are taking mobile seriously - they sold to Facebook. :-)
- Jesse Stay
I can't see how Twitter can survive Facebook now. FB will bring Twitter down, the only chance they got is to sell to Google.
- Patrik Johansson
What makes people think Facebook or Twitter is all-conquering? There's a new generation coming through, and they aren't using these services. It's very important not to get sucked in by the hype of a service you use. Fanboys will talk up the positives and ignore the negatives, giving you a skewed message. The truth is somewhere in the massive grey area in between.
- Chris Nixon
The new generation uses Facebook a lot, but not Twitter.
- Steph (sh_skew)
from email
Twitter is just a temporary solution for a quick mixture of instant messaging + status updates + chat forum.
- Bora Wiemann
Just having a discussion today that Twitter will eventually go bankrupt when the hype is over
- Khuram Hussain
I don't agree with you Robert. Twitter is easy to use, succinct and versatile. I've made multiple very meaningful connections through my use of twitter. I do like friendfeed's threaded conversations which are great but in a way it only helps those who have big followings like yourself, because people are more apt to comment on your thread than say mine because they know the conversation...
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- Lon Cohen
For example - how do I message you directly so you know I'm speaking to you (i.e. Twitter @ reply) but all your followers and my followers know that we're having a conversation in Twitter back and forth so that they can follow and interject when they want. Everytime we do that we have to start a brand new discussion thread and I have to "tell" you somehow that I'm talking to you. Twitter is like email/phone conversations and friendfeed is like collective blogging/commenting.
- Lon Cohen
Amen, Robert.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
The power and beauty of twitter originate from limitation. Think of it as conversation haiku.
- Brendan
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The best things about FriendFeed being declared "dead" by Scoble:
Iván Abrego, Jay Cuthrell, Jeff P. Henderson and 57 other people liked this
1. Bots won't come here.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I don't get it
- Shari Weiss
We'll just sit here and twiddle our thumbs.
- Heather Solos
*tap shoes*
- Adam Jackson
We can actually get some peace and quiet around here.
- Adam Reyher
2. Spammers won't come here.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
3. Scoble won't come here.
- jef
uh oh hope I didn't sway you :-)
- Brian Hendrickson
*a bot has entered the conversation*
- Byron McCollum
That life after death is much better :-)
- testtest
3. Late adopters will assume it really is dead.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
No celebs and no ghost writers
- Benjamin Taylor
4. Lame companies will stop developing for it's API.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Ploy to avoid Palin Death Panel.
- pourmecoffee
Benjamin: Demi's not been back then? :( :)
- 1x29
One Gear...Oh that was frightening to see!
- Benjamin Taylor
Nope she posted once and that's it, just like Guy Kawasaki. I don't get why people don't get how fun this is
- Stephen Pickering
5. Celebrities will post once (hi Demi) and then go back to Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Oh, yes it was :| :| :| :D
- 1x29
FriendFeed can escape the country to avoid taxes now that everyone thinks it's dead
- Gary
Have you really declared it dead? You think FB is going to take the bits they want and dismantle the rest?
- RobinDotNet
from iPhone
People will get interested in this "dead website" and join it. If not ,people already present here will leave and make it really dead.
- ashish
To where, Cayman Islands?
- jef
It's BBQ time, Scoble's started drinking
- Stephen Pickering
6. Facebook will have a little more time to copy its best features since Google will assume it is dead.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I don't get it.
- Michelle McCormack
I like #5
- shaun mclane
Stephen: I am sober. Not a drink today.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
The majority of those types of celebrities though just want to say something themselves. They are not interested in listening to anyone saying anything back. Sadly, for the good few we inherited once Demi had said Hi :)
- 1x29
What a concept! I'd like to send you a list of things to declare dead ...
- Bill Brandon
from Nambu
Photar, HAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA
- Stephen Pickering
Photar: heh!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Michelle: What don't you get?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Mark: Who said they disliked Demi? For the record, I don't dislike her.
- 1x29
Someone asks the question on Tiny thread "Can we keep Robert Scoble off tinythread?" Scoble shows up and comments - http://a.tinythread.com/2lvfVw9... That made my week Robert.
- Benjamin Taylor
That deserves a sub Photar...lol
- Bill Heslin
Feel free to add me up! http://friendfeed.com/tomit I'm going to keep using it till it's gone!!!!
- tomit
No More Amimated Gifs
- johnpiercy
from iPhone
7. Now none of Scoble's followers will come here and muddy up the place.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Benjamin: "Scobleizer →Um, hello." Gotta love it :)
- 1x29
Yes this makes a lot of sense to me and that's why I'm sitting back and ain't goin nowhere.
- Jeunelle Foster
How many more reasons does he have yet?
- jef
Oh so its like an island, a little haven in the internets
- Stephen Pickering
I wiped my shoes at the door. No mud, see?
- RobinDotNet
from iPhone
jef: I am still thinking of good reasons.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Just ate, will go walk dogs now, see if I can follow this thread via iPhone
- Stephen Pickering
Things you call dead haven't yet got the chance to be born.
- Meryn Stol
Quite, Robert will only post good reasons - it confirms his lack of muddying the waters :P
- 1x29
Shari: what don't you get?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I guess you really don't like that Facebook bought the company.
- jef
Meryn: I had 46,000 followers here before I declared it dead. How many does a service require to be "born?"
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
By using FF, is Robert Scoble actually declaring it undead? Does that make it a zombie service? FF of the Living Dead...
- RobinDotNet
from iPhone
jef: Facebook is a great company but if more than 1/10th of the team is actively working on FriendFeed in four weeks I will give $50 to the American Red Cross.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
For those that don't get it, commenting on one thread is like being all together talking and chatting about a set topic/thread [well, it is to me, anyway :)]. Saying you 'don't get it' is like walking into a group of people talking in a cafe (no coffee here though) and asking what on earth is going on. We're just talking :)
- 1x29
Robin: remember what it means when a blogger declares something dead.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
It's....dead? So we're wandering the FF mall looking for brains (and LOLcats)?
- WorldofHiglet
Robert, do you mean 1/10th of the FF team, or 1/10th of the FB team?
- RobinDotNet
from iPhone
What if Facebook starts to promote it and it gets millions of users, then what? hmmmmmm
- Stephen Pickering
Steve Gillmor declared Microsoft Office dead and it went onto make billions more dollars.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Heh: the iPhone misspells Gillmor. I fixed the spelling but now I know why everyone adds an "e" onto it.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
making money and being dead are mutually exclusive
- Steve Gillmor
The *idea* of FF is not dead though. The ability to do what we can here is ALWAYS going to be required. The set up here is the closest thing we have on the internet that replicates just talking to a group of your friends. But it affords you the opportunity to get in on conversations globally on whatever interests you.
- 1x29
I believe he Steve also said RSS was dead..He likes to call things dead doesn't he? :)
- Bill Heslin
Ohai Steve! lol
- Bill Heslin
yes I do and yes they are
- Steve Gillmor
and FF is most certainlt NOT dead
- Steve Gillmor
Well, I think it's dead too. At least, it never became very popular as much as Twitter, did it?
- jef
we can use the health care savings to treat twitter addicts
- Sherry Reynolds
Stephen: The problem I have with FB taking it is all the rubbish you'll no doubt get packaged with it. FF is so clean. No poking. No pointless gifts. No adopt an imaginary something. No signing up for a 3rd party app just to see what someone sent you (even if it was sent without their knowledge :))
- 1x29
Steve, will it be integrated into Facebook, and as Robert said, no one actively working on the stand alone site, or do you think the stand alone site will continue to get better?
- Stephen Pickering
jef: I get more engagement here than on Twitter and I have gotten many times more new followers here this week than on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Oh, I meant "RSS".
- jef
What the hell is wrong with you Robert? FriendFeed is still ticking away; you have no association with it and therefore no right to voice its status.
- Mitch
Lots of people became aware of it because Facebook bought it
- Stephen Pickering
jef: Twitter already and fundamentally lacks the benefits of FF though. It's might have more *users* but it's pretty much reached it's purpose already.
- 1x29
I should have clearly pointed "RSS". I wasn't referring to FriendFeed.
- jef
See!, thanks PJ, what do you think so far?
- Stephen Pickering
FF of the living dead....what we need is Jesus....he can resurrect us
- Jeunelle Foster
Mark Zuckerberg = Jesus
- Stephen Pickering
Twitter's design almost ensured 40% of tweets would be pointless. FF comments by definition are only as pointless as the conversation itself. It is inevitable that a FF type service will eclipse a twitter type service.
- 1x29
jef: my favorite Tweets come here via RSS. Both are definitely dead!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
He's more like Beelzebub to me in the matter of FriendFeed. I mean "Zuckerberg".
- jef
Mark Zuckerberg = Jesus and/or Beelzebub .....Stephen Pickering & jef.... hahahahaha
- Jeunelle Foster
40.5% of tweets are pointless babble. what is the ratio of comments on this thread?
- Sherry Reynolds
Well, I'm quite a Twitter guy. But, yeah, RSS is definitely dead or dying.
- jef
we are exercising the power of social media, even if it's pointless
- Jeunelle Foster
FriendFeed couldn't get traction. They've married some folks who know how to get traction. And Facebook's married some folks who know how to do real time. Both services will benefit, and so will the "users" or "sharecroppers"
- Stephen Pickering
If RSS weren't dead why would Dave WIner be rebooting it? If Office isn't dead why would MS be moving to the cloud?
- Steve Gillmor
But Office on the Cloud is still Office, no?
- Stephen Pickering
not so far Stephen. eventually sure. What's the micromessage reader in Office called?
- Steve Gillmor
Hmmmmm, I don't know. I don't use office. Or do you jest? :)
- Stephen Pickering
deadly serious :)
- Steve Gillmor
Sherry: who cares? We are all dead! ;-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
What is micromessage reader BTW?
- jef
you're looking at one jef
- Steve Gillmor
If others think it's dead, perhaps that's good - take a look at these http://scienceblogs.com/waltatr... and http://friendfeed.com/waltcra... and http://scienceblogs.com/waltatr...
- Bora Zivkovic
You mean you are a piece of software in Office, Steve?
- jef
Damn, must go walk dogs, and don't remember my FriendFeed password so can't log onto it from iPhone
- Stephen Pickering
no jef, FF is a micromessage reader (among other things)
- Steve Gillmor
Okay, then does Office have one in its suite? (Didn't know)
- jef
not that I'm aware of
- Steve Gillmor
feels like I'm being mocked here, but what the hell? ;)
- jef
Who's doing the mocking? I rebuke them in the name of Jesus
- Jeunelle Foster
not mocking you, follow the thread. Pickering asked whether Office in cloud will be Office, I said not until it has a micromessage reader.
- Steve Gillmor
Oh, sorry. Missed the one. Thanks!
- jef
The whole "RSS is dead" is a broad sweeping statement positioned to get a rise, and meaningless without context. Why? How? What exactly does that mean "RSS is dead" Its usefulness serves people, then its very much alive.
- Benjamin Taylor
Well, I said "RSS is dead" in a view point of consumer. Do you know anyone what RSS means or does?
- jef
the context defines the meaning. It means that RSS has moved from a disruptive technology to a mature one, and is now being disrupted in turn by micromessaging
- Steve Gillmor
Makes complete sense, in that context. I had a different understanding of the meaning behind that statement.
- Benjamin Taylor
understandable given the noise from those who want to attack the messenger
- Steve Gillmor
The best thing? It's somehow reassuring to see just how passionate the FFish subset of folks is about community.
- Kathy Fitch
yes Kathy, by contrast FF continues to disrupt, and particularly a willing Facebook.
- Steve Gillmor
Just made the original comment because of the "dead" thing in Robert's post and your RSS is dead comment from awhile back was the first thing that came to mind. I'm actually glad I said it now, because I understand your position on that comment much more now Steve. And btw, is there plans for Gillmor Gang to come back, or has it come back already and I just missed it? Thanks
- Bill Heslin
WIll have something to say about that RSN Bill
- Steve Gillmor
Is RSS a zombie now? or is it still too early to tell... by the way, dead = no productivity innovation happening, imho
- Alberto Saavedra
from Nambu
k thanks..
- Bill Heslin
So "dead thing" is like "no more innovations from a certain service or product"?
- jef
google RSS is Dead for what I actually said
- Steve Gillmor
sorry RSS Rest in Peace
- Steve Gillmor
You mean Google Reader?
- jef
You did?????
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
I use ZGoogle reader almost not at all these days, but that not what I said.
- Steve Gillmor
I did what Roberto
- Steve Gillmor
google as a verb.. Gee, feels like I'm becoming some kinda Troll here. Didn't mean to but, sorry about that anyway.
- jef
you're doing fine, jef. relax
- Steve Gillmor
BTW, what kind of understanding did you have on "RSS is dead", Ben? Just out of curiosity.
- jef
Steve: Nothing. I was asking Robert :) Its news to me that he said that. I think this is the early adopter's early adopter's view.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Robert didn't declare FF dead in the title to this post. He's giving a list of implications of it being "declared dead by Scoble." It's a subjunctive use of the phrase - something imagined, a thought experiment.
- Nick in Manila
Ah. Right. I think there is life in the old girl yet....
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
9. You can move back in with your blog. Ya'll can get married and live happily ever after.
- Stephen Pickering
That is good... Robert's back to blogging thing didint last very long....
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
not dead, but honnestly it will make some return to coding and this is good.
- abdellah
So RSS is dead, Twitter is about to be pronounced dead, and Robert Scoble is declaring FriendFeed "dead". What would we have then?
- jef
Blogging. Which, really? Also dead. I think all we have left is wikis, email, and cocktail napkins.
- Sean Gallagher
Honestly. Declaring something "dead" because it doesn't have that new-car-smell anymore, and somebody's trying to, heaven forbid, *commercialize it* is just a sign of tech-ADD. CORBA was supposed to be dead, but it's still alive. COBOL was supposed to be dead, but MicroFocus is still making money. Hell, even DOS isn't dead, or filesharing, or the music industry, or old media. They just don't have that magical infinite potential of the blank piece of paper anymore.
- Sean Gallagher
However....Friendster? Dead. :D
- Sean Gallagher
@Sean by that definition, punch cards aren't dead. http://www.wired.com/wired... (their site is http://www.cardamation.com/ )
- mjc
Punch cards are a valid storage format. I bet I could do RSS on punchcards.
- Sean Gallagher
Sean: Rss benefited at the beginning of this cycle, and it made a huge difference. This is happening now with realtime. Your last sentence would only be improved by removing the word "just." Don't know what the "commercialized" reference means, nothing wrong with any of this making money. Oh and the music industry -- that's just plain dead.
- Steve Gillmor
Yeah EMI is going to default, as media say.
- jef
:-))First time that I can enjoy the dead ,Today I checked the new tools of Google reader and they are doing well ,,, Wave is coming and we can all feel it
- Johni Fisher
dead or alive who cares.
- Pam Gwenzi
Now I know your high Steve Gillmor..lol...The music industry will never be dead. :) your just plain crazy...hehehehehe...
- Bill Heslin
but in a good way...lol
- Bill Heslin
The Create a bundle to share is the first step for the real time RSS that is dead 2
- Johni Fisher
the last time the music industry died, the Beatles showed up
- Steve Gillmor
bundles should incorporate OPML
- Steve Gillmor
"the last time the music industry died, the Beatles showed up - Steve Gillmor " I'm ready for the Beatles!! Bring 'em on!
- Amy Flynn
wondering when gwave is going to be dead
- Jim Posner
Ashton, Oprah and Ellen will finally sign up.
- Erik Boles
Ellen would be cool...keep the other two....lol
- Bill Heslin
Jim, it needs to be alive first :-) so, anytime after October or whenever KISS apps arrive to Wave platform
- Alberto Saavedra
Zombies, says @RobinDotNet? We have ways of dealing with zombies, both on a computer system and in real life. (wonder if the new Tron remake will have zombie processes...)
- Don Faulkner
from BuddyFeed
Declaring it dead means we all feel sorry for it, and use it all the more! (resurrection syndrome)
- Sandra Large
10: Scoble no longer has to pretend that his "followers" are "friends". Facebook will make it so.
- Phil Calvin
FF..please don't die=(
- zʍıɔ
It is far from dead. But we will not get all the Bots and the security issues that Twitter has
- Rob Cairns
Hey I wanna Sue FacePOOP fer Giving me da Boot! Can U recommend a Razor Sharp Lawyer!!
- Billy Warhol
i stopped recommending friendfeed. This place is just way too cool to share it with others ;)
- Sascha Pallenberg
a collapse into FB by FF beyond feature cherry picking would seem rather myopic... think FB Labs to foil Google Labs and push leading edge adoption that is a safe distance from the close fisted FB silo -- sizzle and promise at a controlled feature grafting rate
- Jay Cuthrell
from BuddyFeed
Got 2 new 128GB SSDs from Runcore and SuperTalent.The review of 5 recent SSDs(all tested in my Samsung NC10) will be online this week.
Holy shit! The Super Talent SSD is fast. Really fast! I am using the Crystal Disk Mark and @ 4k Write Speed i am getting more than 16mb/s. The A-Data was at 7mb/s and the Photofast at 11.5mb/s. Now let's see what Runcore has to say :)
- Sascha Pallenberg
the Super Talent UltraDrive ME SSD beats the Runcore Pro IV in all my benchmarks. The difference is not huge, but it's there. By far the fastest SSD i reviewed so far. Good job Super Talent
- Sascha Pallenberg
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