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I think my generation should dedicate themselves to extending the baby boomers' life by 50 years, that way they can pay off their own debt.
Michael Millette liked this
I agree. Maybe we could house them in large facilities, and have them ride bicycles to generate electricity for the masses (tongue in cheek).
- Michael Millette
I love this series of photos of my son, Milan, shot during sunset yesterday. He's always running, I can't keep up!
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Debbie Weil, Brian Felix, Dobromir Hadzhiev and 134 other people liked this
Ahh, the joys of being two years old.
- Robert Scoble
How come your son has Serbian name? My grandfather's name was Milan and it's the common name in Serbia... Some Slavic roots?
- Danica Radovanovic
btw, he is very adorable
- Danica Radovanovic
That's awesome. Wonderful pictures of a darling boy.
- Brett Nordquist
Danica: my wife's favorite author is Milan Kundera and I was supposed to take her to Milan.
- Robert Scoble
Milan Kundera, yes yes :) Lovely!
- Danica Radovanovic
Awww...mini-Scoble is a cute little tyke.
- Christopher A Carr
Thanks Christopher, yeah, he does have my wife's looks. He runs like me, though (I ran four marathons in high school, fastest one at 3:14, so hopefully he keeps it up).
- Robert Scoble
Robert - he's great! the little guy - love him!
- bradzo
Gosh, there sure is cool clothing for kids these days. I wore some goofy stuff at that age, but I suppose one might blame the '70s for that.
- Christopher A Carr
Wow, he's gotten big! Wonderful photos, Robert.
- Karoli
Robert, I like that you remember the time of your fasted marathon. I think a blog post about your marathoning days is in order. :-)
- Brett Nordquist
Nothing wrong with your photography Robert. :-) Wonderful series.
- Håkan Dahlström
Brett: not much to say except I took up running cause the jocks were always trying to beat me up. They once tried to tape me to a tree. They got my brother instead (not Alex). Actually I got into running because of my middle school science teacher at Hyde Jr. High, Mike Mister. Mr. Mr. is what we called him. Anyway, there's no secret to running marathons, you just have to run a LOT.
- Robert Scoble
By the way, this was the first time I used FriendFeed's photo feature. Very nice!
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I'd like to get in shape to the point where I can run one. Have a ways to go. Playing a lot of basketball lately.
- Brett Nordquist
Brett: to totally demoralize you, when I was in high school my running partner was a 45-year-old woman who ran 100 milers. She always kicked my ass. Probably explains why I don't run anymore.
- Robert Scoble
shot #2 is awesome!
- sean percival
Cute boy! Tks for sharing!
- Renchin(Reina)Wang
MUNCH & KIN!
- sofarsoShawn
Great series, so cute! Our little guy just turned 2 and he sure does keep us running as well; wish I could bottle that energy! Our daughter is almost 14 and it is amazing the difference in technology we are using in "documenting" their lives growing up. Most of what we have of our daughter until she was 6 is plain old photos that will take us a while to digitize. With our son,...
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- W_B_K
Our daughter was born a few months before Milan (seriously, playdate next time we're back in the Santa Cruz area), but we have such blinders on that I saw this pic and thought "wow, how did that kid get so big already?" Oh. Right. He's two. Hope you're having as much fun as we are!
- Ryan Sholin
I got to save some $$$ to buy a camera, but with the remodeling at my casa going on...not now. UGH. And my Morning Star will be 21 months on the 22nd of July!!!
- Joel Robert Perez
hes running to get to a computer to check his friendfeed account!
- Allen Stern
You're totally right Robert, this IS a great photo set!
- Chris Heath
Plus, he's cute as all get-out.
- Chris Heath
Awesome pics of the young scobleizer. Robert it's never too late to pick up running again. Although I've fallen in love with good old walking (can multitask better at 4mph), I can see the addiction to jogging for hours. That 100miler had years of training on you, no reason to be ashamed.
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
Scoble redux
- Alan Morris
from iPhone
Micro Scobleizer :D
- Rafael
Really beautiful pictures. He looks so carefree and comfortable. Lovely!
- Sheryl
love this shot Robert..
- Myrna
Run Forest Run! Where do they get the energy. Could I do that once?
- Kevin J Hatton
woooo. so lovely.
- pastas9
very stylish, great shots Robert
- Alan Le
Adorable Robert!!!! these are really great! Milan is lucky to have you as a Dad :)
- Susan Beebe
The first snap is lovely!! Adorable :D
- Praveen Vasudev
Watch out, he's heading for the road! ;-)
- Jason Huebel
Jason: actually that is a golf cart path. Maybe Milan is the next Tiger Woods! :-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Robert: I hate to lower this conversation to base, mechanical concerns, but what lens is that? Lovely shots, by the way.
- Edward Coffey
Nice shot Robert. Milan looks all grown up these days! He's a celeb, and doesn't yet know it!
- Mark Aitken
So nice. I hated being two. I had cancer almost the same year. Now I hate being young, I can't get anything. Being a kid blows chunks.
- Zachary TG
Trust me Zachary, being an adult blows way bigger chunks. You can get stuff, sure, but you have to do stuff too. Like, ALL the time. Boring stuff.
- Slappy Line
Very straight back while running - very much like Michaal Johnson - he's going to be track star :)
- Patrick Jordan
really cute kid.. Nice shots i'm sure was hard to get him to pose..
- Randy Nacol
Very sweet. I love the 2nd shot.
- pea
Cute!
- Nicholas Kreidberg
looks like daddy
- polou/indigo_bow
しかし、ソーシャルメディア界の巨人、Robert Scobleも子供を前にしてはただの親莫迦だなぁ、と思わせる写真。／とっても可愛い元気な男の子、って感じだよね。ま、うちの息子の方が元気で可愛いけどねっ！
- Sakurai.Catshop
from fftogo
＠Sakuraiさま、初めまして。あまりにもの親バカぶりに思わず笑いました。す、すみません。
- Carloe Stamp
now we know you Robert thank you for sharing
- Thomas Power
@carloe さん。親バカは日本ではユーモラスなもの, 微笑ましいものとして扱われます。ですから、思わず吹いてしまったのは実に正しい(笑)。コトバが逆さになって、バカ親になると、これは少しばかりネガティブな意味合いを帯びてきますが。／@carloe Oya-Baka is used and understood as humorous or smily sence in Japan. Therefore it's exactly that you laugh my comment. However, it will have negative sence if you exchange sort of word as Baka-Oya.
- Sakurai.Catshop
from fftogo
バカ親もいっぱい居ますよね、でも。
- Rick Cogley
Milan君、かわいいです！
- Rick Cogley
ببخشید شما چرا انقد زشت و عصبی هستی؟
- آسویه
@RickCogley 仰るとおりですね。笑って済まされるバカ親もいれば、子供の命や将来に関わるほどのバカ親まで、色んな種類のバカ親がいます。困ったもんです。
- Sakurai.Catshop
from fftogo
@RickCogley I agree you. There are a huge variety of Baka-Oya like just be lughed to serious for children's life or future.
- Sakurai.Catshop
from fftogo
@Sakurai.Catshop そうですね。この間育児２人を車の中に閉じこめて死なせたやつらいるし。ったく。
- Rick Cogley
Many say the same thing about his old man. :)
- Snow Vandemore
First there was El Scoble, now there is Scoblito.
- Slappy Line
Another Security Tip For Twitter: Don’t Use “Password” As Your Server Password - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
Neurario, jnman, Robert DeBord and 8 other people liked this
With all the chatter about the current security issues surrounding Twitter, its workforce and the cloud-based Google apps they use, a new security issue has popped up that makes it trivially easy for anyone to access the Twitter servers directly. The problem? The password to the servers was, literally, “password.”
- Jauder Ho
from Bookmarklet
This is extremely alarming to say the least if it is true. There should have at least some basic password security. At this rate, Twitter really should invest in a good security audit if they want to be taken seriously as a platform play.
- Jauder Ho
Keep in mind the increasing use of Twitter as an authentication/authorization mechanism (via OAuth) and this becomes even more important to get right.
- Jauder Ho
lol
- Ronald
How has Microsoft turned the corner? @ruchitgarg asked. Bing. Azure. Office 2010. I'd say Microsoft has gotten the Internet for the 2nd time
Özgür D. Cyric, Roberto Bonini, Jay and 7 other people liked this
If Outlook 2010 is still using Word to render HTML email (which pretty much is useless), I would say Microsoft has missed the Internet again.
- Jeremy Brooks
Jeremy: yeah, I'm not saying their strategy is perfect, but they are a lot closer than they used to be.
- Robert Scoble
Yet I'm not using any of them - they've got to do more than just innovate. They need to educate and publicize. They have had superior home entertainment software for quite awhile, yet no one knows how to use it.
- Jesse Stay
Of course, simplicity is also the key.
- Jesse Stay
Microsoft has never got and will never get the internet. Bing is nothing more than Google Universal Search and Office 2010 is just 2 years late. Zoho and Google Apps are the most popular web based apps and people who use them will definitely think many times before switching to Office 2010 in internet. And can MS really afford to cannibalize its cash cow by offering full functionality...
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- Sidharth Dassani
I'm still waiting to find out what they're planning to do with Silverlight. where's the benefit over flash? Bing - so far, so good. They may be in some trouble with outlook, since gmail is gaining a LOT of steam - but is google docs going to replace ms office? Not a chance - excel is still MS's killer app. I haven't seen anything that can even remotely do all that excel can (not that it's perfect by any means). They need to just go to a yearly subscription model - say around $ 50
- david pavlicko
silverlight video streaming is definitely a step up from flash. Just look at the demo video. But flash is dominant
- Kashif Khan
"Yet I'm not using any of them" - I agree. There's a TREMENDOUS understated value to simple usability. Google and Yahoo both had it in their earlier days. Of course no one is using Google OS now either.
- J.D. Deutschendorf
Sidharth, have you seen the Excel web version demos? It's amazing, and totally outperforms gDocs and Zoho.
- Kirill Petrovsky
Sidharth, please tell me you're not really that dumb. Missing it by 2 years? How many people use online ofice services today? Virtually no-one is the answer - they haven't missed anything. And do you honestly think Microsoft's aim is to get that miniscule amount of users to switch (as you suggest)? Of course not! C'mon, get out of your tech bubble into the real world.
- Jamie
hmm, I'm still unconvinced. I see web businesses as islands and layers. Businesses will build up on other companies creating higher and higher functionality. We won't think of businesses "winning the web" per say, but as being incredibly useful foundations for future software growth.
- Mark Essel
Microsoft is taking right step but if it were not for Zoho and Google we would not have seen this step from microsoft?
- ashish
If not for Microsoft, would you have seen Zoho and Google take the steps they did? :-)
- Jordan Hofker
Seems like chicken and egg, Wondering which one is which?
- ashish
Well, one of the products may have been around longer than two of the companies, but I'll let you guess which is which! ;-)
- Jordan Hofker
I was talking in context of web applications.
- ashish
Jamie , If people are not using online office why is Microsoft launching the service ? They should be really comfortable with the billions they are making in profit. They know they are losing market share (albeit small) and thats why they are launching online office.
- Sidharth Dassani
Murphy Goode took a good thing and screwed it up: http://friendfeed.com/leolapo...
Roger Kondrat, Robert J Taylor, Hutch Carpenter and 15 other people liked this
wow. talk about bad press. they don't know who they're messing with.
- geoff hines
Geoff: he should have gotten on the final 50 list if he had the most popular video. I'm not saying he should have gotten the final job, either. But yes they did screw up. By not letting the crowd have their day they are no better than Iranian elections. I think the same folks who did the Twitter Suggested User List did the judging here. Lame.
- Robert Scoble
Who is running the PR department over there? Horrible decision by murphy goode winery.
- Abe
Abe: the same guy who does the Iranian Elections and the Twitter Suggested User List decisions. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
For a company hoping to employ social media, it's obvious they don't have a clue.
- Frederick Hoey
I would think that we can talk about it for a few more hours....but then we need to stop uttering the words Murphy Goode. Remember the old adage about bad publicity. So let's not give them any publicity at. all.
- Mike Dowden
Wasn't the whole idea to reach out & market to the twitter community? Obviously Martin was able to garner more eyes than anyone else.
- David Bailey
I'm guessing they already have a person picked out that they want and are using this simply as a marketing ploy. Just say no to Murphy Goode. Plenty of other good wines to drink.
- David Bailey
David: exactly. Kevin Rose just talked about this too: http://friendfeed.com/kevinro...
- Robert Scoble
these plays for jobs are really sad, prey on the desperation of new media kids.
- sean percival
Murphy Goode has no idea how badly they've butchered their company. They got more press since he uploaded his video than they ever got before and now its all for nothing because everyone who discovered them will turn against them. The tech community is very powerful and very loyal.
- Justin Luey
in the process, they harvested about 6,000 of our email addresses.
- Ron Hixson
Suckers! :p
- Mark
Has the winery given a response to this? Are they even aware they screwed the pooch here?
- Michael Turro
Michael: I have no idea, but they should be watching Twitter Search at minimum for their brand name if they want to play in this field.
- Robert Scoble
I missed this whole story. Is the deal a Wine company was offering a special job and Martin applied and lost?
- Mark
This is the Murphy Goode Winery, who was having a contest to find a social media expert to represent the winery. Mark, right. http://twitter.com/areally... is Murphy-Goode's Twitter account.
- Robert Scoble
Martin had the #1 YouTube video and wasn't on the Top 50 list.
- Robert Scoble
My friend made a very cool video.... more clever than some of the other finalists - and he didn't make the cut. http://tr.im/pMcK
- Lisa Osborne
Was the contest a popularity one as in the most votes wins or was it a best person wins deal?
- Mark
Mark: popularity should at least be considered it seems if you're going to ask the public to participate.
- Robert Scoble
Ah, I see.
- Mark
I'm not saying Martin should have won the final job. Maybe he didn't fit. But he should have been on the final 50 list.
- Robert Scoble
Great that all of us in tech have a means of realtime communication to overcome these types of situations.
- courtney benson
Staging a "contest" when they've already obviously identified their man is the silly part.
- Matthew DeVries
Unfortunately they're in an industry where negative press = good press
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: no, we aren't. Bad press still is bad. It's better than no press sometimes, but not always.
- Robert Scoble
You aren't Murphy-Goode is, sorry twas unclear.
- Matthew DeVries
I just thought it was bad they copied this idea. http://www.islandreefjob.com/
- Jim Turner
Yeah, but the island reef people waited until the contest was over to pick their person.
- Matthew DeVries
Without a doubt, he should have been on the final 50 list. The contest doesn't seem to have any rules that would exclude him (just took a quick look). This way, they could have used any criteria for not choosing him as a final 10 contestant and/or the winner. By doing it this way, they may get attention, but as you noted, its not good attention and for owners of the winery, I'm sure this is not something they anticipated when they agreed to this contest.
- Jeff Pomeroy
Interesting logical flaw - they selected the finalists based on their measured ability to generate web2.0 traffic. Logical next step is that this person could do the same for their brand. THEN they completely fail to proceed, with the person left feeling 'screwed over, plus thousands of potential clients that left their emails and also feel 'screwed over'. The logical next step is that...
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- Alistair Nicholson
Right, Alistair-- let's source via social media.. then ignore all of the networks. The responses seem to be mixed in the wine community; the social media community seems to be more insulted! Some reactions: http://bit.ly/s9Wei .
- Julie
The last time people reacted this way to a famous music star dying was the day Elvis died. I was in elementary school and still remember my neighbors playing his music. Michael meant more to my life than Elvis.
Lon Cohen, Parth Awasthi, metalerik and 113 other people liked this
Hits close to home. Really close.
- Mona Nomura
It's a very weird night for news like this. But I agree, Michael was an icon, still is..
- Mark Aitken
Especially during the Thriller days. If you weren't there, you don't understand how crazy everyone was over MJ.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
I'm wondering when the riots will start in LA..
- Mark Aitken
Somehow I'm completely without emotion regarding MJ's death. No idea why.
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
Same here Mona - I don't remember feeling this way about any celebrity's death before.
- Jesse Stay
Robert, what about John Lennon's death? That was also a huge jolt at the time.
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
I'm sure there are watershed moments for every generation. Elvis passing was more a Baby Boomers thing (IMO) while MJ is probably more a GenX thing. No doubt these things will impact everyone differently. Still, it's odd waking up to such news this morning.
- Threepwood
Is it really that big of a deal? The guy was a freak and a child molester. Sure he was huge in the Thriller days, but his star is not only not as bright, but a little tarnished as well.
- MarkCarras
For me and my crew, the day Jerry Garcia died was met with a similar reaction. For me it was much more profound.
- nicholas einstein
Yep. This is hitting me the way it hit me when Princess Di passed away. I was rather oblivious to Elvis, myself.
- Helen Sventitsky
John: yes. I think Elvis was bigger though.
- Robert Scoble
I liked his Thriller album and videos, but after that he seemed to go downhill. And the child molestation thing tainted how I felt about it.
- RobinDotNet
This has more impact than Kurt Cobain
- Ian Tindale
I feel sad, I love Michael's music：（（（（
- K.D.
50 is young. But Michael started his professional career at an extremely young age, so he's a true flash.
- Louis Gray
I always consider Michael Jackson to be the king of the bassline
- Ian Tindale
I like his music too, but I don't like his actions.
- Andy
I agree completely with Mona and Jesse, this is the first time that I feel like someone really close died, even though I never got a chance to meet him.
- Diego Espinoza V.
@MarkCarras ...and Elvis died on his toilet or something. So close to his passing most people are choosing to remember the GOOD things he did in his life.
- Bryan Zirkel
I wonder if people will try to whitewash over his history as a child molester and just focus on his fame?
- MarkCarras
The thing here is we've all seen his life through a glass window. He's been a very public figure, but with a private part to his life. I think we all recognise how much was lost tonight.
- Mark Aitken
more babies were conceived during an MJ song then any other artist in my opinion, RIP KING MIKE!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Adrian Eden
I've never understood the way people worshipped him even now, years after he has done anything successful.
- RobinDotNet
Very strange day, sad. MJ was incredibly talented... a true star.
- Susan Beebe
it has been discussed 4 a few hrs already. RIP King of Pop
- polou/indigo_bow
Same age here, and that was a strange weekend. There's nowhere near the social influence in this case. No movies to pay over and over all weekend.
- Jason Nunnelley
What about his kids?
- Andy
What about when John Lennon died? Was that bigger than MJ's death?
- Sam Houston
I remember all too well when Elvis died, I was 9 years old, standing on Paige street in Lindsay, California, playing with my friends. Weird, how you remember things like that?
- Rob Fahrni
No disrespect to MJ but I think the same reaction would be happing right now if it was Madonna.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I also must remind myself about where I was when John Lennon died.
- Helen Sventitsky
I wonder if Madonna would get more coverage, actually... I preferred her as an artist.
- Tamar Weinberg
I'm too young to really have been a part of the big days of MJ, but I still LOVED his music. I hope he's remembered fondly. lots of stuff in the media about him that's not good. I choose to ignore a lot of it
- Chris Brakebill
Can't believe it really happened. Bigger for me than elvis, lennon, cobain or even diana. I hope people remember him for the brilliant musician that he was and not his other antics.
- Raj Narayan
Wow, has anyone realised we can measure the coverage of these celebs now with the tools we are all using? I'll bet we see lots on the news tomorrow about the social web coverage of tonight's story.
- Mark Aitken
I was a toddler when Lennon RIPped
- polou/indigo_bow
Folks, the real reason we react with such a deep personal response when a celeb like this dies is that it smacks us in the face with our own mortality. We identify ourselves a little with these celebs, whether we like, approve or even appreciate them as artists. I've been listening to Michael Jackson music since he was a teenager. I don't like seeing artists that were popular when I was a teen dying because it reminds me my time/era is fading just like that of my parents.
- Jason Nunnelley
Jason - same feeling here. Very close to home for some reason.
- Mark Aitken
@MarkCarras what happened to the presumption of innocence? He was never tried on the first case due to lack of evidence, and acquitted on all counts on the second one
- Juan Tarrío
@Helen - I remember the Diana situation too, and all the hype around it.
- Tyson Key
Wow, what a bold statement. Jason, do you know me? Do you know the reason why this hits so close to home for me? What if I told you the very first cassette tape given to me by my dead mom was Michael Jackson's Thriller? Think twice before yapping like a know it all.
- Mona Nomura
i think of john lennon & frank sinatra in comparison to how big a legend michael was. the difference is, i grew up listening to michael jackson. sad day.
- Jim Halligan @jim
Mona, I'm not sure how your statement is incongruous with my own. Sounds like you agree.
- Jason Nunnelley
Juan Tarrio -- I would have felt that way too, if according to papers on the smokinggun from the first child molestation trial (the one he settled out of court) didn't reveal that the kid knew personal specific details about MJ's personal parts. Ick. I can't believe I just typed that.
- RobinDotNet
For me it was the loss of Peter Sellers and John Lennon. I think because they had so much more to give us.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
My personal idol of the early 90s who never had a real private life now gets what he deserves - liberty for the rest of his...being
- Naii
RIP MJ
- Kashif Khan
Yes, this is easily worse than when Dermot Morgan died.
- Ian Tindale
Elvis? Not John Lennon?
- Carol Levesque
His music was the soundtrack to a large part of my life. What a difficult life. RIP.
- Marlin Forbes
John Lennons death was under different circumstances, he was murdered and also coming back with a record from what I heard reported on Sky. I was too young for John Lennon so for me the closest comparison is with Princess Diana. RIP
- Joe Dawson
Never an Elvis fan, but I was a huge Beatle fan, so John Lennon's death was a shock to me. I do enjoy Michael Jackson's music.....unfortunately I found the man questionable at best, but also feel sad for him dying at such an early age. At least he no longer has to suffer whatever personal demons drove him.
- Bonnie Foster
People were pretty hung up when Lennon passed. Same with when Aaliyah and Lisa Lefteye Lopez passed away. I sincerely disagree with the sentiment that the last time there was a unified mourning of a musician was Elvis.
- Mattie Kenny
from fftogo
Aaliyah dying seemed to have a pretty big impact, even though it was soon overshadowed by 9/11. I remember seeing a lot of baby girls born after 2001 named Aaliyah.
- Victor Ganata
Mona, Jessie... Hits close to home with me too. And it also hits me like when Princess Diana died.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Michael Jackson? I can understand the Beatles, Stones, Led Zeppelin, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Dylan, the Grateful Dead and dozens of others. But the King of Pap?
- George F. Snell III
@George - CNN pointed out that Thriller is the best selling album in history at 50 million. Love him or hate him that's a big impact.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
No denying he was bigger than life - what a strange world he lived in - seems like he got lost somewhere along the way...
- Mark Harai
I see several people on this thread wondering why "GenX" is so impacted by MJ's passing, here is a reason why (http://www.youtube.com/watch...). He was hands down the best performer, crowd-puller, the 80s has known. When it comes to celebrities, I like to view the artist separate from the person, and as an artist, he was up there with the very best.
- Shivanand Velmurugan
definitely a noticeable generational and country gap here
- Bill Kinney
i was having an early dinner at a restaurant when i saw this on the local news....couldnt believe it.....truly sad and socking
- goutham
thought the same thing Robert. I was at the roller-rink when Elvis died. I will probably always remember where I was when MJ died - the gym.
- BEX
My favorite reaction from this news: "Don't worry, he's still alive on YouTube" - my four-year old nephew from Perth, Australia about Michael Jackson RIP.
- Iggy Pintado
I remember that reaction too and some don't seem to understand that Michael was an international superstar, who brings back incredible memories of our childhood. At 45 I literally grew up with his music and am shaken by his death.
- Karen Swim
I remember when John Lennon died in 1980, and it was much bigger for me than Elvis dying. He was assassinated, and it was announced on Monday Night Football by Howard Cosell. Lots of people were devastated by it. It's ridiculous to skip over it. The Beatles were the most well known band in the world, and in that moment, we knew they could never get back together because John Lennon was the leader of the Beatles, and now he was dead.
- Cristo
Like Cristo I remember the day Lennon died. Walked into the student coffee shop on campus and it was like a morgue. Yet, I grew up with Michael. I remember sock hops at lunch time. My first slow dance was with a boy to the Jackson 5 song, I'll Be There. Michael's death makes me face my own mortality. Michael's death is the end of an era.
- Arleen Anderson
I was stuck on the Test Track ride at Epcot when I heard the Michael Jackson news.
- Mike Reynolds
There's no doubt about Jackson's talent and if it hadn't been for his (for lack of a better word) eccentricities in the last several decades in my opinion there would be an entirely different bent to the epitaphs today. I kept thinking over the years, if he could just remain.. well.....normal...... but, would normal have produced Thriller? Billie Jean? The glove? Moonwalking? The...
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- Molly
As a musician, Elvis meant more to my life. But Michael was.. simply Great. RIP.
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
RIP MJ and RIP Elvis anyway. :))
- Oğuz Serdar
Today is the day music video died.
- Tyler Hurst
Tyler: MTV did that a long time ago.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
@Daniel Oh, I don't doubt his impact on pop music - although I think his impact is more on packaging, marketing and style rather than in the music. I just don't understand the blind devotion of his fans.
- George F. Snell III
I suspect there are 1000s of people who meant more to my life than any pop star you can give me a name for. And I certainly don't know their names. What's the hashtag for that?
- Wade Dorrell
Of course there are 1000s of people who meant more to our lives. The reason we feel a sense of loss when celebrities like MJ pass is because his songs bring back certain memories from our lives. Brings back memories of my childhood. Less about MJ and more about his music and the memories.
- Curt Mercadante
Andy: Are you okay? You don't like his actions...did you ever see the man dance?
- Garin Kilpatrick
There are some people you're just glad that they are gone, not because you dislike them, but exactly because you _do_ like them. The guy was pushed into the showbiz by his dad, had no childhood, had no privacy, and the only people he cared about (i.e. children that lived crappy lives) were used against him to the demise of his career. MJ is far better away from this place we call Earth.
- Rodrigo Jaroszewski
I was a 13 year old on the family trip driving trip that summer that started in connecticut, went through florida, across to arizona and then back across the center of the country. We woke up in Oklahoma city flipped on the TV and got the announcement that Elvis had died. Our next stop was supposed to be Memphis...
- Armen Chakmakjian
Don't forget Kurt Cobain. I actually cried when he died. I won't cry for Michael Jackson. :-/
- Dane Deasy
My social networks are wall-to-wall Michael reactions.
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Very sad!
- Eric
as they should be
- Zee.
Does his music trump his allegations?
- Andy
you are late to the party, if you'll forgive the metaphor. We've been discussing this on Veronicas friendfeed for 2 hours.
- Mark
rip king of pop!!!
- Adrian Eden
Surprisingly Twitter seems to have more msgs involving the Shaq trade to Cleveland.
- Barak B
Michael's career spanned over 3 decades. He affected many generations with his music & dance (and other crazy ass stuff).
- Carol Levesque
The internet is sluggish by the weight of everyone talking about this. Too much death lately.
- Lise
what a terribly sad day
- Therese
Are you surprised or making a statement?
- Jason Hansen
Mine too!! Also Jeff Goldblum, Walter Kronkite
- Susan Beebe
Jason: just stating a fact.
- Robert Scoble
You have to feel as if he, like many, left us too soon!
- Michael B. (SearchBuzz)
No Kidding. I haven't been online all day and I get to FF to see al MJ news
- Jonathan.Rivera
Robert: Touche'. :)
- Jason Hansen
No amount of artistic talent justifies totally wasting it and the rest of his life on a totally self centered self destructive lifestyle. Sad when anyone dies young - but he does not deserve this reaction.
- Simon Bryan
Grew up on Michael Jackson, first record was a 45 with ABC on the A side.
- Kim Landwehr
Mine too, and now I can't even focus on work. I just became a MJ fan two weeks ago... awwww, I'm in after the harsh judgment. :( (edited to be less nasty) When I see someone suffering, I feel compassion, because I too have suffered. If you have not suffered such intense pain as MJ clearly did, the correct response to that is gratitude, not condemnation. In my humble opinion, of course.
- Lo is not learning
social networks r so powerful
- polou/indigo_bow
Same here as well as the phone.
- Michelle
Can you measure how wall to wall compared to other news? Do you have a trending measure across all the networks (perhaps in FriendFeed)?
- Mark Aitken
@michelle wow the phone 2 eh?
- polou/indigo_bow
RIP MJ
- Adam Horne
And most offices still at work won't be talking about anything else. I've had five phone calls about MJ already.
- Chris Baskind
@Simon, this has nothing to do with talent. The influence he has had on pop music speaks for itself and will never go away. Just because he was accused of something by people with questionsable ethics themselves doesn't mean we can (or should) go and remove any reference to him or his influence on the music people are producing today.
- Kenton
24 of the 31 items on my FriendFeed main feed at the moment are about Jackson.
- Ken Sheppardson
same here - it's 99% MJ tweets and FF posts
- Nathan Chase
Such an impact on those of us who grew up with that music, I remember exactly where I was when the Thriller video was released... *sigh*
- Janice
CNN confirmed... So sad! R.I.P. Michael!
- Patrick Mackaaij
And so there you have it. Off the Wall, MJ's best ever album. :)
- Edward Zwart
That's a fact. Off the Wall is very much underappreciated.
- Patrick Mackaaij
I feel the need to dig out some older Weird Al Yankovic tracks
- Ian Tindale
so sad! Love this from @GuyKawasaki Jackson Five ABC: http://trkk.us/?hBp
- Kelly A Nelson
Made me realize I'm getting older - or just old... a sad day.
- Mark Harai
Wow ! poor Farah Fawcett just disappeared from the news
- sivanath
It's like jacko stole the thunder
- sivanath
I'll be on G4's Attack of the Show for their 1000th ep on July 9th! Very happy to be representing the O.G. hosts! Two words: NAKED TWISTER.
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SHUT UP!
- AhronZombi
whts the story with u n pereira?I lovd watchn back in the day u always seemd so agitatd by him.It was intrstng to me(was it because he can be douchy at times?
- Anthony Kam
Anthony- not sure what you mean, maybe us being playful came off weird to you? Kevin and I are really good friends.
- Sarah Lane
Jesus fucking christ Michael Jackson has had a heart attack
- Mark
@sarah That's good to hear.. what do you miss about being on TV and what do you miss the least about being on tv?
- Anthony Kam
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I've been on a big "calling people a douchebag" kick lately. It's cathartic.
- Veronica
also it so rewarding to say, when someone deserves it.
- Fee501st
I don't follow Veronica but I will 'favorite' this quote:-)
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Haha, thanks Alex. Your comments begs the question of "why don't you?" but I need to learn to stop asking these questions.
- Veronica
Note to self: never put myself in the position to be tweeted a douchebag by veronica
- Jason Rundell
I'm thinking of the SNL skit with Bill Murray from the 70's... Lord and Lady Douche-bag!
- Dave Friedel
If there are, someone should tell my husband. He never got that memo.
- Laura Norvig
Awww Laura! :(
- Veronica
Jason: or have her tell you how she LOATHES you. :)
- Dave Friedel
BECAUSE YOU DID THIS TO MEEEE http://www.buzzfeed.com/davefri...
- Veronica
Dave: Oh snap, Just remember Veronica got Photoshop master working at Revision3, i would delete all photos of yourself of the net quickly.
- Fee501st
Are you kidding? I'm working where she went to college in Boston. I'm looking behind me when I walk down Boylston St.
- Dave Friedel
Heh, I guess I was a bit of a douchebag just now by sharing my opinion about DH behind his back ...
- Laura Norvig
That is one hot robe you're wearing in that pic Dave
- Jason Rundell
It would only be encouraging him if I said I kind of like that robe. I'd never BUY it, but I kind of like it.
- Veronica
Seriously, If a guy defines himself as the "Prime Suspect", I wouldn't pay THAT much of attention for his quirky provocations. Boy, some people want to get their "15 minutes of fame" on others expenses.
- Nir Ben Yona
my eyes hurt trying to read that guy's twitter account.
- Bill Kinney
^ lol i wish you could like comments!
- Fee501st
I found it. I'll have it shipped to Revision3. http://bit.ly/coH84
- Dave Friedel
he does have some pretty sick tribal tattoos though. ;)
- Veronica
If you do, I'll wear it for *at least* the opening of Tekzilla.
- Veronica
Do it! there a page for donations? ;)
- Fee501st
I'm purchasing it now. It's TOTALLY worth seeing Patrick's face alone.
- Dave Friedel
You have my word!
- Veronica
This will be Epic!
- Fee501st
Jesus fucking christ Michael Jackson has had a heart attack
- Mark
Now THAT is a way to hijack a thread :)
- Ian Betteridge
lol Ian
- Veronica
Shipped. Should arrive Monday.
- Dave Friedel
OMG!!!! I can't wait to see it!!
- Veronica
Add it to that BF response and see if it comes close to the pic. LOL (I mean I hope MJ is OK)
- Dave Friedel
Veronica, nothing wrong with just pointing out the obvious, and by that I mean what you may decide to call people when they deserve it.
- Fleagle
We need real-time improvements to RSS and other feeds. More on why here:
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Dave Winer's latest two posts on his blog are NOT on friendfeed yet. I had to manually link to one of his that's very important. This is something I would like to focus the community members of Building43 on.
- Robert Scoble
There are some alternatives out there, like friendfeed's SUP, but they aren't widely adopted.
- Robert Scoble
How can we work together as an industry to make RSS better and faster? I remember Dave Winer used to run a ping server, which kept things pretty quick. Do we need to build another ping server for the industry?
- Robert Scoble
almost seems the real time web is going to need two streets, one is memcached and the other isnt :)
- sean percival
And, if we are going to build another ping server, how do we build one so it serves everyone equally well?
- Robert Scoble
I remember when I first visited Dave Winer at his house. He'd refresh the list of all blogs that were pinging his ping server (it built a list of stuff that's new right now) and he'd visit all those links. Friendfeed reminds me a lot of that except friendfeed is too slow. I hate it when i see people talking about posts before they show up on their main feeds here, like happened with dave's posts today.
- Robert Scoble
I wonder what Dave Winer's thoughts are on this topic?
- Robert Scoble
I wholeheartedly agree. So often by the time something appears in Google Reader for me its 30 minutes old. RSS Needs to be made more efficient. The second you hit "publish" it should appear in my feed reader.
- David Lloyd
RSS is not real-time enough.
- David Lloyd
stop been such a cheer leader for friendfeed, yes we get it it's cool, but unless u r looking for some stocks from their, stop it dude... u r making of this a religion, ur view of 2010 is just a naive view of the future of the internet, there is more to be done. Yes more people around the world needs to embrase it, but there is more to just a twitter accound, a facebook or a a friendfeed place.
- Gilbert Corrales
Gilbert: OK, look at Facebook then. It has the exact same problem.
- Robert Scoble
gilbert FF is more than cool, it's the prototype for how many will share and interact in the near future.
- sean percival
And Gilbert if you like your news "aged" then go back to reading newspaper. Everything there is guaranteed to be at least eight hours old by the time you get it.
- Robert Scoble
Isn't this purely because RSS is modeled after a subscription pattern? "I have this available here you can subscribe. When I make an update I'll post it here and you have to come check if there is new stuff"
- Nicholas Orr
Naa Robert is right no matter how you look at it. Remember when you got your first 1mb internet how fast it seemed compared to dialup? It's time RSS was brought into the broadband era of being instant. There has to be a way of doing it.
- David Lloyd
Nicholas: right. If I update my RSS feed it can be hours or even days before various spiders come and visit it. Some pages are visited more often, but usually only because they are updated more often. In Dave's blog's case the spiders aren't visiting very often and even if they were they wouldn't be real time like my photos (OurDoings.com uses SUP to let friendfeed know it has something new to come and grab -- that works awesomely fast).
- Robert Scoble
Scoble: I am not talking about aged... I am talking that there is way more we can do than freendfeed... u can reach 40.000 in a single message, but is that it? how many people is in FF and how many in FB? how may come to ur blog from some other reason?... my current research focus on the semantic web, and how many people is after thatn?... yeh the NYT is startin to embrase that's nothing
- Gilbert Corrales
Gilbert: I'm talking about speed, not audience size. Don't know why you are on the attack here or what point you are trying to make. Facebook has the exact same problem friendfeed does.
- Robert Scoble
Gilbert: and so does Google Reader and other feed readers. They are too slow to have a decent conversation.
- Robert Scoble
Robert I don't want to speak out of turn but David Winer will be furious at this thread. It is perhaps the most important technical thread in a long while on friendfeed though in my opinion.
- David Lloyd
its posible do a temporizer for rss...Im working in this...the race begins...
- Ferdy
Only someone with a huge audience like you could have started this discussion and debate.
- David Lloyd
Mark: I don't agree that Dave will be furious. I think he should be furious that his content is not being seen WHEN he's writing it.
- Robert Scoble
I agree, I have the same problem. How do we get faster RSS? It is a problem for real time.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Scoble: we need more than just this or fb (sorry if I am in attack mode.) but we need a bigger, radical chance... web 2010 is more than just this, it's about reaching where we haven't reach... 3rd worlds are on the rise, and we need some basic ground, and to be honest I dont think FF is
- Gilbert Corrales
Sorry to turn the conversation non-serious here but I am much more interested in precogs - I would like to know the news before it happens...real time is just too stale...haha :)
- Mike Bracco
Mark: that is ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE. You could have started it. THe second I click "like" on your item it goes to all my readers.
- Robert Scoble
oh cool, so when you like something it syndicates across all your followers in their feeds?
- David Lloyd
http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... ah there
- David Lloyd
Gilbert: we're arguing about RSS here. Not friendfeed. Take the friendfeed stuff to a different thread. Mark: that's EXACTLY how friendfeed works. Yes.
- Robert Scoble
I think that Google Wave might be the first thing that approaches the kind of speed you are talking about
- Chris Johnston
Chris: I can't wait to get Google Wave. So far I haven't gotten it because I didn't go to the Google I/O conference. But if Google Wave relies on RSS/Atom feeds it, too, will be too slow.
- Robert Scoble
Yes real time is cool.
- Randy Allen Bishop
Robert: Hmmm well the only reason OurDoings can update your FriendFeed is because you have a FriendFeed account... What if Dave Winer doesn't want a FriendFeed account. So now I'm thinking isn't this what those Blog aggregaters are used for? You don't need an account if you do create an account then you can claim your blog etc. Seems like SUP needs to be added to theses Blog aggregators and in turn WordPress/Drupal/Blogger others support that.
- Nicholas Orr
Well the google wave demo's were instant, as in, milliseconds, content was pushed from computer a to b instantly.
- David Lloyd
I want to know about what everyone writes THE SECOND they hit post. Dave's feed at http://friendfeed.com/davew still doesn't have his latest two blog posts.
- Robert Scoble
Google Wave relies on bots that can do whatever they want... (umm within the confines of permissions, waves. Its not a broadcasting platform, you have to be involved in the conversation)
- Nicholas Orr
it is not RSS that is the problem - it is the 'concept' syndication doesnt work - real-time filtering based upon the social graph is the future - twitter/FF etc are just one step along a path
- Nick Halstead
Please retweet this thread link on your twitters, might be a good way to get some more people over here on FF x
- David Lloyd
Nicholas: no, the reason OurDoings works so fast is because it doesn't use RSS. It uses, instead, SUP which comes into friendfeed nearly instantly. The problem is that very few web sites and services use SUP, most rely on RSS. So, I guess one answer is to spend years evangelizing SUP. I'd rather see some other "upgrade" of what RSS does, so that the whole system gets real time without a bunch of years wasted evangelizing yet another protocol.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble: problem is (as I see it) is that as far as I've seen everything for u gets solve in FF, yes it's a step up from RSS, but how many orgs can have a Scoble here? we need something that allows for conversation but also allows for growing and for commerce (like the ones u r targeting for) no everyone is up for this change... but an incremental change
- Gilbert Corrales
Robert: yeah I get that SUP is what does it quick. However you have to have an account. RSS requires no account. If you know about RSS address you can look at the content.
- Nicholas Orr
I just 'liked' this post, and it displayed almost immediately in my Google Reader. Is it the 'like' function, my connection, or something else that is different...
- Wallace
Nicholas: good point. Which is why people far smarter than me need to explain to me how RSS will get real time features.
- Robert Scoble
Sorry but SUP is just a bodge on top of RSS - it was designed to allow FF more efficient access to when things update. SUP is has not got a future in making the web real-time end of story
- Nick Halstead
Wallace: Google Reader's spiders hit certain pages very often because they know they are getting updated very often. Google, for instance, is indexing friendfeed every few minutes, if not faster. But it doesn't treat EVERY web page/web site that way.
- Robert Scoble
are you a developer Nick? you sound like you know what you are talking about with all the jargon
- David Lloyd
Nick: since you build real time systems I would love to know your ideas of how RSS will become more real time.
- Robert Scoble
Mark: Nick Halstead is the guy behind TweetMeme.
- Robert Scoble
how deliciously exciting!
- David Lloyd
Robert: Doesn't FriendFeed / Twitter make RSS less relevant today?
- Jim Connolly
RSS IS everywhere Jim, is what Dave said, its liek HTTP or FTP it will always be there
- David Lloyd
the work twitter is doing on HTTP streams is much more interesting to me, this is about large volume filtered content being delivered out to multiple destinations.
- Nick Halstead
Jim: no. A lot of what is imported here is RSS.
- Robert Scoble
Jim Connolly: Yes, I think it is.
- PWR
@Robert - it is split into two parts - how content is delivered to users - Like 'long polling' which FF uses (and we do as well) - and then how big systems transfer real-time data - and that is what twitter is doing with HTTP Filtered Streams
- Nick Halstead
Quite simple -- they should support the weblogs.com ping protocol. It's brain-dead simple. If they don't like XML-RPC they can use the REST version. Then FF would immediately be compatible with every blogging platform out there. I've been saying this for over a year, but they either don't listen or they do and they don't want to do it. THey've never responded. So your issue is with them. It's easy for FF to get on the bus. Set up a ping server and you're done.
- Dave Winer
@Robert I see Google / Others all starting to consume these new streams (It cant just rely on just polling websites every hour/day anymore)
- Nick Halstead
@Dave that is never going to work on scale - if it was going to work it would have been done, the next step is to allow consuming of real-time streams - I dont care what format the stream is in but we cant go back to thinking polling techniques can give us even a sense of real-time
- Nick Halstead
Nick Halstead is the gaffer behind the sublime http://tweetmeme.com/, Dave x
- David Lloyd
At the moment if you click 'retweet' on one of our retweet buttons (when your logged in) it takes 5-6 seconds to get from TweetMeme -> Twitter -> FriendFeed ... that sounds impressive, but it 'should' be instant
- Nick Halstead
so who pays to have servers turned on with n people connected to it ready to recieve content via push? Isn't that what this is coming down to? You have the content creator and the content cosumer, then in the middle is the content pusher - I don't see content creators or content consumers paying content pusher...
- Nicholas Orr
Robert & Mark: My bad - I forgot that RSS is how we pull everything together on FF. I was thinking exclusively regarding FF and Twitter as a source of new, fresh material. Thanks for the heads up guys!
- Jim Connolly
@Nicholas - the joy of the new technologies is that having open connections is actually more efficient than delivering separate requests ever 30 seconds (i.e. AJAX polling)
- Nick Halstead
Here I manage 20 platforms with RSS, can i see which is more fast to receive data...http://www.fdeflash.com/fpanel...
- Ferdy
Scoble, also when you talk to your friends at FF, ask them to support OPML import and export. I think you should go on strike until they do that. It's about the most user-unfriendly thing they could do. It's been too long for it to be a matter of resources. They're building a roach motel here. I wouldn't add any more value here until they add a way out.
- Dave Winer
www.getpingd.com is an attempt to solve this problem by adding a real-time, peer-2-peer ping ontop of RSS
- Chris Saad
@Nick - yeah content pusher was what I made up for your open connection - where do you get an open connection from? Isn't RSS an open connection? FriendFeed works well for us because we have accounts. Say someone creates a new blog, that isn't going to go anywhere until that person creates a Twitter account and FriendFeed account and connects the blog - then it will be plugged into the...
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- Nicholas Orr
@Nicholas a range of technologies exist now to deliver data delivery that relies upon an open connection such as 'comet' http://cometdaily.com/ - FF uses it - it requires very different server architectures so it is taking time for developers to move onto it
- Nick Halstead
Gnip is an attempt to do this with a Central Service - but it doesn't need to be central - it should be distributed - again - refer to getpingd.com :)
- Chris Saad
Chris, you think all this hasn't been beaten to death ad nauseum? We're coming up on the 10th anniversary of weblogs.com. All the would-be reinventers have given up. Over and over. You guys should have reunions! :-)
- Dave Winer
Scoble, if you can hear me -- try following this account. http://friendfeed.com/friends... You'll get all my updates within five minutes. And a bunch of others you probably are missing too. :-)
- Dave Winer
anyone know how to get realtime twitter mentions on friendfeed?
- Tyler Gillies
Question: what runs IM technology (IRC)? Could this be a solution applied to RSS. Obviously, I'm not a developer just thinking out loud.
- Jason Cronkhite
xmpp is the best PUSH IM technology IMHO
- Tyler Gillies
"There are some alternatives out there, like friendfeed's SUP, but they aren't widely adopted. - Robert Scoble" - YouTube just recently announced SUP support: http://apiblog.youtube.com/2009...
- Benjamin Golub
whatS UP?
- Tyler Gillies
SUP FAQ: http://code.google.com/p...
- PWR
It looks like Rob is AFk - probably gone to a party or something ;)
- David Lloyd
you calling me a FAQ?
- Tyler Gillies
wordpress SUP plugin http://neothoughts.com/2008...
- Tyler Gillies
typically appears on friendfeed within 10 seconds [so the site says]
- Tyler Gillies
Yeah - SUP does this. I use it on my site, and Youtube is starting to use it as well. Google just encouraged developers to begin taking advantage of it.
- Jesse Stay
There is absolute proof that people want to interact in real-time. It's called Google Wave. Google and Facebook have been making a habit of using FF as a test environment for new features (comments, likes, sharing, grouping, etc). Real-time is just the next 'wave' Google will be stealing.
- Scott Magdalein
Google's Wave is also a solution. I have a test account and I can see it becoming a real-time replacement for blogging.
- Jesse Stay
Robert, BTW, if you ever want to play with it, I can give you access to my test account to play with.
- Jesse Stay
Justt add a Google Reader layer to Google Wave, problem solved. Did you try it?
- Charbax
@charbax - not really, the problem is that Google Reader (wave or not) still takes forever. it's not a layer issue, it's a paradigm issue.
- Scott Magdalein
I went through this a few years back. Including the 'ping server' concept where my server would ping the ping server with new content. The ping server would then ping all subscribers. The subscribers would then request the new RSS. Then I realised: That's basically what XMPP is for. We just need an extension to XMPP that is for RSS style syndication. Other XMPP clients subscribe to my...
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- RickMeasham
@Jesse: You've got to be in the conversation though. I guess a group could be created "everybody@onthe.net" and we could all opt into that group. Then all we have to do is add the group and bam instant global broadcast :) (Google Wave)
- Nicholas Orr
Publishers have to have the infrastructure for realtime or they need to syndicate to a service, like Friendfeed, that acts as a hub. If you look at the way FedEx works, they send all packages to a hub before sending them to their end destination. As a publisher, I don't need any scale to push to Friendfeed, who can handle the scale of thousands of clients polling it. Even with pings, if...
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- Peter Warnock
Funny, was reading the Observer pattern section yesterday in the Gang of Four's seminal book on Design Patterns. It made me think I should blog about how RSS needs to implement aspects of it & just generally improve to handle realtime. Why not have the protocol allow for items to be pinged that are > guid X. (caveat, not sure if any of this has been spec'd out, haven't come across it...
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- Joe Devon
Why not just build all the good features from RSS and other feed systems in to Google wave
- Michael Mooney
do you think google wave will kill friendfeed?
- Tyler Gillies
friend feed should be one of the first Wave providers with it's own look and feel but still 100% compatible.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Michael Mooney
Google wave will certainly not kill FF. It will increase FF's relevance. The two services are totally different.
- Scott Magdalein
Scott why do The two services need to be totally different
- Michael Mooney
Wave is something that social media services will adopt. It will certainly not kill them. Michael, why are they different? For the same reason that FriendFeed and email are different. They just aren't the same at all.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Remember Friend Feed, Facebook, Twitter, IM & E-mail are basically tools for communicating. so why do they need to be need to be totally different?
- Michael Mooney
They don't need to be, they just are. It's like asking why apples need to be different from oranges.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
They don't NEED to be different. They ARE different by their nature and purpose. Even though Wave is moving messaging to a more collaborative environment, it's still not an OPEN environment. That's where FF steps in. It's an ongoing, open conversation in real-time.
- Scott Magdalein
from email
As I said, it is likely that services like Facebook and friendFeed adopt the wave standard (not necessarily google's products though) as their new means of communication. I will also suggest that I will likely use most heavily, any social media service that uses waves for communications.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
People can be free use the Friend Feed wave or Facebook wave or Google wave or CNN wave each optimized for their communitys
- Michael Mooney
If static non-interactive web & e-mail are seen as Web 1.0, social services & IM as Web 2.0, so Wave Providers maybe be seen as Web 3.0
- Michael Mooney
Nicholas, exactly. One would just need to subscribe, and the blog would broadcast on each post out to that wave group. Real-time. You could even incorporate comments via that means, real-time.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, that's exactly the problem. Broadcast media isn't real-time when you try to also incorporate conversations around it. That's why FF isn't a broadcast medium, it's a conversation medium. Google Wave will still be far too fragmented to hold OPEN conversations.
- Scott Magdalein
from email
Nicholas Orr said, "well the only reason OurDoings can update your FriendFeed is because you have a FriendFeed account". Actually, any aggregator can get the same real-time results as FriendFeed. You could build your own competitor to FriendFeed and use SUP the exact same way FriendFeed does without asking my permission. Ping services don't allow that.
- Bruce Lewis
Hope all the social media service R&D teams are brainstorming on how to improve the web in events like Iran
- Michael Mooney
Superfeedr - realtime via xmpp & pubsubhubub http://blog.superfeedr.com/gospel...
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
Bruce Lewis - The point I was making was there needs to be an aggregate/hub for the information to flow too, otherwise people will need to visit lots of places. You can't have your content show up on FriendFeed unless you have an account :) People who start a blog right now aren't auto plugged into anything and have to plug themselves in. In order to have real time of the entire web I...
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- Nicholas Orr
FrameChannel doesn't have a FriendFeed account as far as I know, but I created a group and added one of their blogs to it. So I'd amend what you said to, you either need an account on the aggregator, or a user on the aggregator who's interested in following your blog. I think that's reasonable.
- Bruce Lewis
Wow, what a FF thread, and they say RSS is dead. This to me is simply a push vs pull debate. Granted RSS (the spec) is dated but RSS is highly used and useful. I believe RSS needs to evolve more like XMPP with Distributed hash tables like P2P networks. Allow RSS feeds to know how many active connections there are that it needs to send real time (which seeders such as GReader could...
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- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Peter is exactly right, RSS/Atom is a "virtual" publish and subscribe pattern. For it to be a real publish and subscribe pattern it will need to 1) know and keep track of who/what has subscribed and 2) send out the new/updated content to all current subscribers at the time of publishing. XMPP probably points the way most clearly to date.
- Barry Baker
XMPP pubsub http://xmpp.org/extensi... Webhooks http://blog.webhooks.org PubSubHub http://code.google.com/p...
- Ken Sheppardson
If you had a Wave and had people join it, like following you on Twitter or subscribing on Friendfeed, you would then get the equivalent of those services but in real time and with playback.
- Chris Johnston
Indeed, hopefully PubSubHubbub will solve this. It can turn all of the web's feeds into push. http://pubsubhubbub.googlecode.com
- Brett Slatkin
The girl who died this morning in Iran died for a simple human need: to be heard. I will think about her every tweet I do for the rest of my life.
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Do we take our rights to free speech for granted? Yes we do. No more.
- Robert Scoble
Bet you have the most likes on this thread Robert! Tears....
- Myrna
Also taken for granted: Access to technology.
- Justin Hopkins
Thank you, Robert. I will remember too.
- Mike Lewis
Re-read the FIrst Amendment of the US constitution, and be thankful that there is separation of church & state.
- Donald Wilson
Don't forget to think about the few million people who are going to die from hunger this year too: http://www.google.com/hostedn...
- Sergi
@Donald Huh?
- Dave "Freedom 35"
It's over for the Mullahs now.
- Mike R
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
- Donald Wilson
I just saw the video. I'm not sharing it here, but I'll remember it for the rest of my life. I really have no words.
- Orli Yakuel
Thanks Robert, sometimes we forget what means to be FREE!
- Simone Lovati
from BuddyFeed
Heart wrenching!!
- Donald Wilson
Simone: being free is not the same as being heard. The Iranians aren't fighting for freedom. They are fighting to have their voices listened to. The guy they are supporting isn't all that great either, if you look into his past and, anyway, above them is a religiously-run government. A fight for a free Iran will play out another day. This fight is simply to be heard. That's what that girl died for this morning.
- Robert Scoble
No Robert! This is the key point! They are not free to speak, they are not free to say NO and for this reason they are not be heard!
- Simone Lovati
from BuddyFeed
Simone: that makes sense, I agree, that if they were heard they would be free. I'd rather focus on what they want, rather than pushing American values, though. Freedom is gained step by step. Heck, even here in the United States we aren't completely free and aren't completely being listened to. Just try to get a gay marriage, for instance.
- Robert Scoble
I agree sometimes people just forget there is always someone worse off than you... Life is crazy..
- Chris Henderson
Hi Robert why aren't you in Green overlay for your icon? (or in your hulk icon). I think it is simple to show the world we are green in support of free Iran election. but maybe I miss sthg you know as you are more up to date on the situation than many of us.
- Harscoat
Harscoat: because being green isn't going to help anything. I'd rather spend the time building better searches and trying to find more information.
- Robert Scoble
We should all # her name but what was it
- Michael Mooney
Thanks Robert. I agree with what you say. For me being green just show the people in Iran in a very simple visual manner that we are in thoughts with them. This is only a first and not very concrete step I agree... and we should do more in sincere and respectful memory of this women of Iran... This image of the abyssal waste of a life, her life is devastating.
- Harscoat
Harscoat: Then why are you not green?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
LOL Rob, she's green on twitter. Hey CNN person calling in from Iran just said he uses FF, fb and twitter.
- Myrna
sorry Rob not on ff but I am green on twitter...
- Harscoat
Harscoat, same with me. Just changed to green avatar on twitter. Don't know why I didn't on FF.
- Myrna
Robert: I don't necessarily agree. It helps people ask "why are you green?" And people who weren't paying attention (because it wasn't in the news spotlights) are because they noticed that /everyone/ was green. I am green on Twitter/FF/FB.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Totally agreed Robert, locally i hear continuous arguments whether the opposition in Iran is any different regarding Nukes or Politics. My only reply was that it's not the issue now, Iranians simply yearn liberty and freedom of speech that we were born with. The opposition has progressive views about freedom and the people deserve our support. With all that said, i personally fear the...
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- Majento
Every tweet we make (for good or ill) is possible because of the sacrifices of those who came before us (great or small). We did not earn these freedoms. They are a gift given to us without merit. In many ways, those who are on the streets of Tehran today have earned the very freedoms that we casually discount. I am grateful that someone like myself has been given the many gifts necessary to speak freely about the issues I care about - whether noble or ignoble.
- Lorin Olsen
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- Eric Logan
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This is awesome :-).
- John μller
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The ice mustache is a bit ..... weird lol
- Bwana ☠
Quite strange, indeed.
- l0ckergn0me
Great piece on behavorial economics and social psychology. Must read! http://adjix.com/6ufc
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i am following http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/ for a couple years now... in my opinion follows steven d. levitt somehow the same approach?!
- Arne Krueger
Can FF be configured to pull in all my Twitter followees (even those without FF accounts)? It seems to only pull in folks with FF accounts.
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Kenneth, me too, Paul mentioned they were working on something but that was a few weeks ago.
- Kol Tregaskes
The hard way, I suppose would be to pull in all the feeds for each of the people you are following. Maybe if you created a private group and add all those feeds in the group?
- Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
Well that will be fun to try anyway ... Thnx
- Kenneth McGraw
Kenneth : only problem with that is that you can't see who posted what. (unless you mouseover "Twitter" and look at the link to the person's profile. Back to the drawing board!
- Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
I want this feature too! :)
- Svartling
Would be good, but we need the option to stick them in another feed (not home) until they realise how good ff is. Maybe a reason this isn't implemented is ff would rather you recruit your friends!
- Chris Lloyd
If I understand correctly, imaginary friends should do what you want http://friendfeed.com/setting... . It's just really time consuming (hoping this is the thing being worked on) to do one by one. With imaginary friends, I can again see who the post is from (Like Nathalie said, the group way made it so you couldn't see who posted). I've done a few of my favorites so far and just pasted in their image.
- metalerik
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